[svg-developers] SVG scrollbar
Hi everyone, i have a g element in an svg application for Firefox,that someone uses in order to draw UML classes. I need a scrollbar in order to move vertically the drawing elements and to increase the size of the g element.I need to move only the childs of the g element not the whole screen How can this be accomplished? Is there a script for implementing a scrollbar? Thanks Chris - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] generating two documents from a single xsl
Hi, I would like to generate an html page that drives a corresponding svg view the html and svg pages are generated from xml data and an xsl . howto do this from a single xml file ? Best Regards Steph - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: SVG Logo Contest: personal preferences sought
Doug, I'm really concerned about your claims to understand accessibility and intentions to update the 2000 SVG guidelines. please understand that my comments are intended to help understanding of SVG accessibility. inline comments: the logo will be distinctive, simple, and elegant. the image http://www.w3.org/Graphics/ -- is unlikely to be described in these terms simplicity is not necessarily an indication of humanity or homeliness, more usually evidence of reductionist belief systems frequently and no doubt mistakenly associated with those having pseudo-scientific tendencies :-) since this is intended for print and rasterization as well as SVG- format viewing, the logo will not have sound providing sound has nothing to do with whether the logo will be printed, obviously there is no expectation that the printed logo will sound. afaik providing sound for SVG1.2 has no known downside for other technologies. nor will there be interactivity nor focus Why not? if the logo is used as a link it should provide visual feedback when in focus, or at least the place it is embedded in should. This was the purpose of hover and border in html. The best way to achieve accessibility for a logo such as this is to have a text fallback, sorry this is just plain wrong, text is but one approach, which happens to suit a vocal and able minority. text is also an accessibility bonus. not as a fallback, but as a visible label. Very few people have access to a screen reader, let alone one that works with any sort of SVG, they tend to be very expensive. cheers Jonathan Chetwynd On 4 Sep 2006, at 22:24, Doug Schepers wrote: Hi- As Ronan points out, the logo is meant to be more of a symbol than an interactive document, and I can assure you that the logo will be distinctive, simple, and elegant. Since audio is only available in SVGT1.2+, and since this is intended for print and rasterization as well as SVG-format viewing, the logo will not have sound, nor will there be interactivity nor focus (or rather, the default initial focus will be on the root). The best way to achieve accessibility for a logo such as this is to have a text fallback, which has always been the plan. The title and desc of the final logo will contain the necessary textual information such that a screen-reader will be able to provide a voiced interpretation. This will be in a language-based switch to allow for many translations. I will note that this is innately much more accessible than a raster logo, which apart from its file name has no inherent text equivalent. Regards- -Doug Ronan Oger wrote: Jonathan, Maybe you could propose some metadata, maybe 20-60 characters' worth? Other than that, I doubt we can have that much accesibility support given that it has to be a lowest-common-denominator-svg logo, in other words it needs to be static, all in the same unit set and work with svg1.0 and svgt1.1. But in the end, how exactly are we meant to implement this PR graphic? I guess the recommended practice will be to either add it as an image within our svg at the end of the document, or as an inline group? As far as choice of graphics goes, the ones I have seen are generally quite nice. I agree with you though that a simple, clean graphic is the best. Hopefully we won't end up with a flaming, pulsating, rotating SVG logo... ;-) Ronan On Sunday 03 September 2006 09:55, Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: a please could others express there thoughts regarding their preferences for a logo? as to my own, read on: Yesterday Stelt asked me on IRC if I was entering the SVG Logo Contest. I replied that I rather thought not as I liked the current W3C graphics logo -- as used here http://www.w3.org/Graphics/ which I find humane and homely unlike much technology which can be hard and cold. it was suggested that it wasn't interactive, and I agreed that cowboys.svg has much to commend it, though it isn't a logo. overnight it occurred to me that as a minimum I would naturally require a logo to be accessible. which might for instance mean that for me there - must - be some visual feedback to tell the user which element in the logo has focus, there should also be audio, keyboard tabbing, text equivalent and more. cheers Jonathan Chetwynd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] generating two documents from a single xsl
Are you able to process two xslts in your application, or to process your xslt twice? This way, you can generate the html page that contains a url which induces a call to the svg page generator... A more elegant way to do this would be xhtml with inline svg. FF and Opera 9+ support this. However, centuries-old IE/ASV do not support this. Ronan On Tuesday 05 September 2006 14:14, Stéphane ANCELOT wrote: Hi, I would like to generate an html page that drives a corresponding svg view the html and svg pages are generated from xml data and an xsl . howto do this from a single xml file ? Best Regards Steph - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: SVG banner
Marek, just to let you know that your zip file for firefox, soaked up massive resources and froze camino, the animation was extremely slow. G4 powerbook. also the files are marked as .exe which is a little peculiar or unusual. cheers Jonathan Chetwynd On 4 Sep 2006, at 15:32, revelonshift wrote: Surely. Grab it there: http://www.balki.sk/_others/marek/o2banner.zip M. --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Chetwynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marek, please could you upload these files to a public space with shorter plain english filenames? I just can't seem to download them. cheers Jonathan Chetwynd On 4 Sep 2006, at 10:10, revelonshift wrote: http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/ EOv7REyYoGImZcguyMNC4YViUpJdfEbVCF2ybJR58YU3JTAYJgVvHcj0oF9VXtm5gQXd2H2e wOrFpySxt94BLeanPJnGYYkEYuo/ver04 - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: SVG Logo Contest: personal preferences sought
Hi, Jonathan- Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: I'm really concerned about your claims to understand accessibility and intentions to update the 2000 SVG guidelines. I never claimed to understand every issue involving accessibility, nor do I think you or any one person does either. This is why I will be working with Chaals and the WAI IG to try to reach the broadest possible set of accessibility needs. the logo will be distinctive, simple, and elegant. the image http://www.w3.org/Graphics/ -- is unlikely to be described in these terms But my description does fit an ideal format for an iconic logo, which is meant to do 2 things: 1) serve as an indicator of necessary browser functionality; 2) help establish a brand identity for SVG. I'm sorry that this logo contest does not serve your agenda. May I suggest that you consider running a contest of your own, which emphasizes the qualities in SVG art that you are looking for? since this is intended for print and rasterization as well as SVG- format viewing, the logo will not have sound providing sound has nothing to do with whether the logo will be printed, obviously there is no expectation that the printed logo will sound. afaik providing sound for SVG1.2 has no known downside for other technologies. Most people would find an audio component annoying, and would not use it on their site. If you want to submit a suitable sound clip, however, I will consider adding it to logo site as an optional addition. nor will there be interactivity nor focus Why not? if the logo is used as a link it should provide visual feedback when in focus, or at least the place it is embedded in should. This was the purpose of hover and border in html. It's extremely annoying that you clipped off the part of my reply that deals directly with your concern, then accused me of not addressing it: (or rather, the default initial focus will be on the root). I invite you to read the SVGT1.2 spec and disabuse yourself of the notion that there is no indicator of focus. [1] The best way to achieve accessibility for a logo such as this is to have a text fallback, sorry this is just plain wrong, text is but one approach, which happens to suit a vocal and able minority. This is too vague to supply any criteria for accessibility, beyond your vocal complaints. text is also an accessibility bonus. not as a fallback, but as a visible label. Very few people have access to a screen reader, let alone one that works with any sort of SVG, they tend to be very expensive. There will be a visible text component as well, which you would know if you read the svglogo.com Web site. However, because Firefox does not yet implement SVG Fonts, some of the letters may just be graphics... and that is what the text fallback is for. [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/interact.html#specifyingfocushighlight Regards- -Doug - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: SVG Logo Contest: personal preferences sought
Jonathan... Piggybacking on Doug's response. Doug is on the *SVG* workgroup, and as he says, he is organising an *SVG* contest. If a w3 (or other) workgroup wishes to provide best practices for accessibility that can be applied to SVG, then I am sure that Doug's contest will consider supporting this. However, there is no point in arguing this point to death on this group. It's simply not the right context to beat this to death in. We can't all be experts in all things. Why don't you put your point forward to WAI? Maybe it's worth putting them over a barrel more than it is worth sticking it to Doug. SVG is nothing more than the rendering layer for peoples' applications after all, and we will never be able to display to many people (like those without PCs for example). Somehow, I don't imagine WAI or anyone else proposing any panaceas. The general thing i see so far seems to be descriptions and metadata. Ronan On Tuesday 05 September 2006 16:15, Doug Schepers wrote: Hi, Jonathan- Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: I'm really concerned about your claims to understand accessibility and intentions to update the 2000 SVG guidelines. I never claimed to understand every issue involving accessibility, nor do I think you or any one person does either. This is why I will be working with Chaals and the WAI IG to try to reach the broadest possible set of accessibility needs. the logo will be distinctive, simple, and elegant. the image http://www.w3.org/Graphics/ -- is unlikely to be described in these terms But my description does fit an ideal format for an iconic logo, which is meant to do 2 things: 1) serve as an indicator of necessary browser functionality; 2) help establish a brand identity for SVG. I'm sorry that this logo contest does not serve your agenda. May I suggest that you consider running a contest of your own, which emphasizes the qualities in SVG art that you are looking for? since this is intended for print and rasterization as well as SVG- format viewing, the logo will not have sound providing sound has nothing to do with whether the logo will be printed, obviously there is no expectation that the printed logo will sound. afaik providing sound for SVG1.2 has no known downside for other technologies. Most people would find an audio component annoying, and would not use it on their site. If you want to submit a suitable sound clip, however, I will consider adding it to logo site as an optional addition. nor will there be interactivity nor focus Why not? if the logo is used as a link it should provide visual feedback when in focus, or at least the place it is embedded in should. This was the purpose of hover and border in html. It's extremely annoying that you clipped off the part of my reply that deals directly with your concern, then accused me of not addressing it: (or rather, the default initial focus will be on the root). I invite you to read the SVGT1.2 spec and disabuse yourself of the notion that there is no indicator of focus. [1] The best way to achieve accessibility for a logo such as this is to have a text fallback, sorry this is just plain wrong, text is but one approach, which happens to suit a vocal and able minority. This is too vague to supply any criteria for accessibility, beyond your vocal complaints. text is also an accessibility bonus. not as a fallback, but as a visible label. Very few people have access to a screen reader, let alone one that works with any sort of SVG, they tend to be very expensive. There will be a visible text component as well, which you would know if you read the svglogo.com Web site. However, because Firefox does not yet implement SVG Fonts, some of the letters may just be graphics... and that is what the text fallback is for. [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/interact.html#specifyingfocushighlight Regards- -Doug - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] generating two documents from a single xsl
Ronan Oger wrote: Are you able to process two xslts in your application, or to process your xslt twice? This way, you can generate the html page that contains a url which induces a call to the svg page generator... Can you be more precise ? Bye steph A more elegant way to do this would be xhtml with inline svg. FF and Opera 9+ support this. However, centuries-old IE/ASV do not support this. Ronan On Tuesday 05 September 2006 14:14, Stéphane ANCELOT wrote: Hi, I would like to generate an html page that drives a corresponding svg view the html and svg pages are generated from xml data and an xsl . howto do this from a single xml file ? Best Regards Steph - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: SVG Logo Contest: personal preferences sought
Ronan, you may or may not know that together with Lisa Seeman a formal objection was raised to WCAG2 in respect of the needs of people with learning disabilities**. It is disingenuous in the extreme to suggest that I should work through WAI. The reason I left WAI was their absolute obsession with HTML, and their disinterest in other technologies (I wrote the original accessible client-side scripting guidelines but js isn't a w3 technology - yawn) The protocols and format working group supposedly would contribute to SVG accessibility understanding and documentation. however they have nothing to show. I had offered to join, and this is still awaiting approval many years later... I thus chose to work directly with UA developers and other w3 working groups such as SVG, RDF etc... By all means contact WAI and seek direction, but don't think that suggesting that I should, excuses the SVG WG from taking such action themselves. It is not sufficient to rely on the text of individual specs which are deficient in themselves. Doug for instance chooses which parts of 1.2 will be acceptable. What research says Most people would find an audio component annoying, Audio is clearly a very successful function of flash. evidently macromedia don't concur, and it seems neither do adobe. If true why is there no requirement for a UA option to turn it off? Mozilla appear to be using this as a rationale for not implementing what cheers Jonathan Chetwynd **This is a large group ~20% UK population that stand to benefit significantly from SVG, yet afaik the SVGWG has not engaged in, commissioned, proposed or studied any research into their needs. On 5 Sep 2006, at 15:52, Ronan Oger wrote: Jonathan... Piggybacking on Doug's response. Doug is on the *SVG* workgroup, and as he says, he is organising an *SVG* contest. If a w3 (or other) workgroup wishes to provide best practices for accessibility that can be applied to SVG, then I am sure that Doug's contest will consider supporting this. However, there is no point in arguing this point to death on this group. It's simply not the right context to beat this to death in. We can't all be experts in all things. Why don't you put your point forward to WAI? Maybe it's worth putting them over a barrel more than it is worth sticking it to Doug. SVG is nothing more than the rendering layer for peoples' applications after all, and we will never be able to display to many people (like those without PCs for example). Somehow, I don't imagine WAI or anyone else proposing any panaceas. The general thing i see so far seems to be descriptions and metadata. Ronan On Tuesday 05 September 2006 16:15, Doug Schepers wrote: Hi, Jonathan- Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: I'm really concerned about your claims to understand accessibility and intentions to update the 2000 SVG guidelines. I never claimed to understand every issue involving accessibility, nor do I think you or any one person does either. This is why I will be working with Chaals and the WAI IG to try to reach the broadest possible set of accessibility needs. the logo will be distinctive, simple, and elegant. the image http://www.w3.org/Graphics/ -- is unlikely to be described in these terms But my description does fit an ideal format for an iconic logo, which is meant to do 2 things: 1) serve as an indicator of necessary browser functionality; 2) help establish a brand identity for SVG. I'm sorry that this logo contest does not serve your agenda. May I suggest that you consider running a contest of your own, which emphasizes the qualities in SVG art that you are looking for? since this is intended for print and rasterization as well as SVG- format viewing, the logo will not have sound providing sound has nothing to do with whether the logo will be printed, obviously there is no expectation that the printed logo will sound. afaik providing sound for SVG1.2 has no known downside for other technologies. Most people would find an audio component annoying, and would not use it on their site. If you want to submit a suitable sound clip, however, I will consider adding it to logo site as an optional addition. nor will there be interactivity nor focus Why not? if the logo is used as a link it should provide visual feedback when in focus, or at least the place it is embedded in should. This was the purpose of hover and border in html. It's extremely annoying that you clipped off the part of my reply that deals directly with your concern, then accused me of not addressing it: (or rather, the default initial focus will be on the root). I invite you to read the SVGT1.2 spec and disabuse yourself of the notion that there is no indicator of focus. [1] The best way to achieve accessibility for a logo such as this is to have a text fallback,
Re: [svg-developers] Re: SVG Logo Contest: personal preferences sought
Hi, Jonathan- The logo contest has nothing to do with my being on the SVG WG, despite Ronan's implied connection. This is not something done under the aegis of the W3C, but rather as the efforts of several companies for the sake of SVG evangelism. Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: Doug for instance chooses which parts of 1.2 will be acceptable. What research says Most people would find an audio component annoying, Audio is clearly a very successful function of flash. evidently macromedia don't concur, and it seems neither do adobe. What part of logo do you not understand? I'm not saying that audio has no place in SVG (obviously), I'm saying it has no place in *an SVG logo*! Please stop deliberately misunderstanding and misrepresenting what I am saying. Evidently, Adobe (who recently bought Macromedia) *does* concur, since their logos don't use sound: http://www.adobe.com/images/shared/download_buttons/get_flash_player.gif http://www.adobe.com/images/get_adobe_reader.gif http://www.adobe.com/images/get_flash_player.gif They do provide a text falllback in the way they present them, as much as is possible with a raster image: img src=/images/shared/download_buttons/get_flash_player.gif alt=Get Adobe Flash Player By all means contact WAI and seek direction, but don't think that suggesting that I should, excuses the SVG WG from taking such action themselves. Nor does your personal intuition excuse you from facing facts. My conversations with you have convinced me that you have not read or understood the SVG specifications enough to comment on their accessibility features. SVG 1.1 has reasonable accessibility features, which I have explained at length to you in the past. SVG Tiny 1.2 makes a huge leap forward in this area... again, as I have painstakingly explained to you recently. You have either forgotten or ignored these explanations, but the evidence is clear throughout the specification. You may have developer experience that you find frustrating, but this is a problem with the *implementations*, not with the *specifications*. If a viewer/browser does not adequately implement the accessibility features designed into SVG, then it is not a conforming SVG viewer, and you should file bug reports with that UA. I really don't want to be so blunt, but by spreading disinformation, you have left me no choice. You are speaking from a position of ignorance when it comes to accessibility features in SVG. Until you bother reading the spec, I see no point in continuing any discussion. Regards- -Doug - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
Adobe has decided to discontinue support for Adobe SVG Viewer. There are a number of other third-party SVG viewer implementations in the marketplace, including native support for SVG in many Web browsers. The SVG language and its adoption in the marketplace have both matured to the point where it is no longer necessary for Adobe to provide an SVG viewer. SVG is an established vector image format. Adobe currently supports SVG in several of its authoring and server products, including Illustrator, InDesign, GoLive, Version Cue, Graphics Server, FrameMaker, and FrameMaker Server. Adobe customer support for Adobe SVG Viewer will be discontinued on January 1, 2007. For more information on this decision and answers to questions about the discontinuation of Adobe SVG Viewer, please see http://www.adobe.com/svg - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: SVG Logo Contest: personal preferences sought
Jonathan, Thanks for the information. On Tuesday 05 September 2006 17:35, Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: Ronan, you may or may not know that together with Lisa Seeman a formal objection was raised to WCAG2 in respect of the needs of people with learning disabilities**. It is disingenuous in the extreme to suggest that I should work through WAI. The reason I left WAI was their absolute obsession with HTML, and their disinterest in other technologies (I wrote the original accessible client-side scripting guidelines but js isn't a w3 technology - yawn) Sorry, I did not know you had already closed that avenue. I'm not aware of every group's coming and going. WAI is a member-controlled group, and the technologies it addresses represent the interests of contributors. Maybe their disinterest in your point is telling about the usefulness of SVG in the web context beyond the image space, or about the relative difficulty of addressing the problem. The protocols and format working group supposedly would contribute to SVG accessibility understanding and documentation. however they have nothing to show. I had offered to join, and this is still awaiting approval many years later... Maybe you should join the w3c and force your way into it. That seems to be the traditional way to get a special interest in the w3c. I thus chose to work directly with UA developers and other w3 working groups such as SVG, RDF etc... By all means contact WAI and seek direction, but don't think that suggesting that I should, excuses the SVG WG from taking such action themselves. It is not sufficient to rely on the text of individual specs which are deficient in themselves. Well, actually, I find that the accesibility question is out of scope in svg beyond allowing hooks into whatever accesibility the players offer. Until this is addressed, I am not very concerned. As well, I am not really seeing svg as a mainstream replacement for html. Generally, the mood in the web is drifting towards microformats and simplification rather than Yet Another Huge W3C Specification. Given your interest, Maybe you can come up with an accesibility solution that is fun and palatable... Beyond that, you have to start somewhere, and that descriptions and metadata seems to be as good a place as any to me. Doug for instance chooses which parts of 1.2 will be acceptable. Well that's perfect, no? Let him make his choice, and then we go from there. What research says Most people would find an audio component annoying, The research that says that audio components are huge and will double or triple the size of the original work. Furthermore, we all know that audio is language specific, so is useless unless you happen to speak the language (or worse, you carry every language...). Audio is clearly a very successful function of flash. evidently macromedia don't concur, and it seems neither do adobe. Audio is relevant in certain aspects, true. However, it is not a required functionality everywhere. An SVG icon is NOT an application. If true why is there no requirement for a UA option to turn it off? Mozilla appear to be using this as a rationale for not implementing what There is a requirement to turn off sound in every computer. it's the volume control. The reason this requirement is not in the UA is that it is out of scope. I fail to understand why you are pushing for the most obtuse possible soution to accesibility, rather than to offer a universal solution: bind to the accesibility capabilities of the players. My browser konqueror, for example, provides numerous accesibility capabilites at the player level, removing any need for this capability at the content level. It automatically discerns every ui-capable component and generates a text key shortcut on it on demand. There, I see something useful, unlike a requirement for an aural cue, a smellogram, or a mood generator. Ronan - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
Well, that settles it. at least it's official after all this time. It's just a shame they did not announce this 2 years ago. On Tuesday 05 September 2006 20:37, Paton J. Lewis wrote: Adobe has decided to discontinue support for Adobe SVG Viewer. There are a number of other third-party SVG viewer implementations in the marketplace, including native support for SVG in many Web browsers. The SVG language and its adoption in the marketplace have both matured to the point where it is no longer necessary for Adobe to provide an SVG viewer. SVG is an established vector image format. Adobe currently supports SVG in several of its authoring and server products, including Illustrator, InDesign, GoLive, Version Cue, Graphics Server, FrameMaker, and FrameMaker Server. Adobe customer support for Adobe SVG Viewer will be discontinued on January 1, 2007. For more information on this decision and answers to questions about the discontinuation of Adobe SVG Viewer, please see http://www.adobe.com/svg - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
Hi- Well, I can't say that this comes as a surprise, though it is a pity that they won't allow downloads after January 1, 2008 (as per their FAQ). This means that for SVG to continue to be viable on the Web, before that point there will need to be native IE support (possible) or a new viewer (almost certain, but probably not by as big a name as Adobe). Obviously, Adobe has chosen a proprietary path that will include only Adobe/Macromedia technologies. I guess it all comes down to the bottom line for them, but it's a shame they are moving away from open standards. This seems like a good opportunity for other companies, but a bit of a challenge for authors who want to use SVG. Paton J. Lewis wrote: Adobe has decided to discontinue support for Adobe SVG Viewer. There are a number of other third-party SVG viewer implementations in the marketplace, including native support for SVG in many Web browsers. The SVG language and its adoption in the marketplace have both matured to the point where it is no longer necessary for Adobe to provide an SVG viewer. SVG is an established vector image format. Adobe currently supports SVG in several of its authoring and server products, including Illustrator, InDesign, GoLive, Version Cue, Graphics Server, FrameMaker, and FrameMaker Server. Regards- -Doug - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] RFI: SVG search
Hi folks, I am new to the list and perhaps this has already been discussed here before although I havent found anything in teh archives. I would essentially like to build a collection of carefully created SVG sketches of biological objects which would for instance have labeling of various paths with descriptive names. I would then like to make a search engine (or use XML Xpath queries or suchlike) that goes through the search SVG files and pick SVGs according to criteria which could include shape, name, colour and geometric/topologic criteria such as - find all SVG's having 6 'spot' objects ON a 'wing' object which has colour green. I imagine that some API in this direction would already be in development, perhaps in the GIS applications area, but I am unable to find any such references. Would welcome suggestions and pointers to information. thanks and best wishes Shyamal http://www.geocities.com/muscicapa/ - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] SVG Logo Contest: personal preferences sought
Just a thought. Why do we actually need an svg logo and who will it benefit? Does HTML, XML, Javascript(I could go on) have a logo, so why does SVG have to, I dont see the point apart from something to do. Just my opinion but I'm not sure where this is going, maybe someone will print a 10ft poster at the SVG Open 2007 (if it ever happens) and the 20 or so people that turn up can stare at it and smile. Are you trying to create a brand? Are you intending to sell t-shirts and jackets? On another point, maybe no one noticed but IE7 add ons library removed the SVG download a few weeks ago and when I emailed IE addons they put it back in albeit the version 3 download. I received an email from the IE team yesterday. The updated product is now live, and should show up on the site tomorrow. Thanks for the feedback! IEAddOns.com Sorry I didnt submit my SVG logo but I felt having the SVG in the IE addons for the little time it has left more important and useful. Richard From: Ronan Oger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [svg-developers] SVG Logo Contest: personal preferences sought Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 21:25:09 +0200 Jonathan, Maybe you could propose some metadata, maybe 20-60 characters' worth? Other than that, I doubt we can have that much accesibility support given that it has to be a lowest-common-denominator-svg logo, in other words it needs to be static, all in the same unit set and work with svg1.0 and svgt1.1. But in the end, how exactly are we meant to implement this PR graphic? I guess the recommended practice will be to either add it as an image within our svg at the end of the document, or as an inline group? As far as choice of graphics goes, the ones I have seen are generally quite nice. I agree with you though that a simple, clean graphic is the best. Hopefully we won't end up with a flaming, pulsating, rotating SVG logo... ;-) Ronan On Sunday 03 September 2006 09:55, Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: a please could others express there thoughts regarding their preferences for a logo? as to my own, read on: Yesterday Stelt asked me on IRC if I was entering the SVG Logo Contest. I replied that I rather thought not as I liked the current W3C graphics logo -- as used here http://www.w3.org/Graphics/ which I find humane and homely unlike much technology which can be hard and cold. it was suggested that it wasn't interactive, and I agreed that cowboys.svg has much to commend it, though it isn't a logo. overnight it occurred to me that as a minimum I would naturally require a logo to be accessible. which might for instance mean that for me there - must - be some visual feedback to tell the user which element in the logo has focus, there should also be audio, keyboard tabbing, text equivalent and more. cheers Jonathan Chetwynd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com _ Windows Live Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
