[svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
Jon, Do you seriously believe that Adobe will change its plans and modify the course of Flash/Flex to please one or two companies with no impact on Adobe's business? Come on Jon, among all people you should know how Adobe misslead everybody in the SVG community during the past few years. Giving people hope that Adobe can still be helpful is only helping killing SVG at this point. And I know this is not what you want. Marc --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jon Ferraiolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Margie, Thanks for the kind words. In terms of possible next steps, I suggest finding a way to express your point of view (professionally, of course) within a blog or a forum that Adobe would read. (I don't know the degree to which Adobe monitors this forum and I am not sure what other industry forums they read these days.) An important thing would be to give detailed information about the business impact that you face. Adobe is likely to be more receptive if a company speaks up and talks about any specific difficulties that they will face and what Adobe could do about relieving those difficulties. Adobe is less likely to listen to people who simply get up on their soapbox. (I already did that.) Jon Jon Ferraiolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Architect, Emerging Technologies IBM, Menlo Park, CA Mobile: +1-650-464-7817 Marjorie Roswell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To om svg- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: cc svg- [EMAIL PROTECTED] hoogroups.com Subject Re: [svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue 09/07/2006 05:03 Adobe SVG Viewer AM Please respond to svg- [EMAIL PROTECTED] hoogroups.com Jon, That was beautifully written. Thank you for your work and advocacy in the SVG community. What's the next step for our community to take, regarding items 3, 4, and 5? Margie On 9/6/06, jon_ferraiolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Pat, Now that I am a member of the community and no longer an employee of Adobe, here is my reaction: (1) First off, I believe that Adobe deserves a great amount of appreciation for their contributions to SVG and the open standards world for their activities in previous years. Adobe provided a high-quality free implementation of an SVG viewer at large expense. (Pat, you know this perhaps better than anyone.) Adobe also has provided (and presumably will continue to provide) excellent support for SVG in some of its products, particularly Illustrator. Adobe has also made large contributions within the standards community on SVG. (2) It is understandable that at some point Adobe would announce the end-of-life for Adobe SVG Viewer. Since the Macromedia acquisition (at least, perhaps even earlier), it is clear that Adobe doesn't consider the SVG viewer to be strategic. Also, browsers are adding SVG support natively. (3) HOWEVER, I believe that some of the details regarding this end-of-life announcement are unacceptable to the community and not in Adobe's own best interests. To me, it is OK to stop support (presumably developer support and security fixes) on Adobe SVG Viewer in the relative near-term, but instead of giving four months of advanced notice (i.e., 1/1/07), it should be something measured in years, something in the range of 2-4 years. (Note: 5 years is the usual amount for developer-oriented software.) (4) It reflects badly on Adobe that it did not donate the ASV source code (at least the higher-level logic that sits above the graphics rendering engine) to open soure. If Adobe isn't going to use ASV, then it should give it to the community so they can use it. Given how Adobe promoted industry adoption of ASV in the early days and thereby convinced many developers to
[svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
Jon, I believe Adobe will consider extending the support and availability of the SVG viewer as a potential problem (even if minor) for Flash and Flex. Why would they maintain a free product which is perceived as a competitor to their paying product? About the possibility to open source the viewer, you obviously know more than I do about this code. I was under the impression that the font rendering technology and the Bezier rendering was linked to other technologies used and sold by Adobe. If this is the case, is it reasonnable to think that Adobe will offer for free part of its intellectual property to help a competing technology? Marc --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, jon_ferraiolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Marc, I think you misunderstood me. I was replying to Margie about how best to encourage Adobe to change their policy. I agree that Adobe isn't likely to rethink their commitment to Flash/Flex, but they might rethink some other things, such as making ASV available for downloads after 1/1/08, supporting ASV beyond 1/1/07, and/or donating the source code to open source. Jon --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, m_verstaen marc@ wrote: Jon, Do you seriously believe that Adobe will change its plans and modify the course of Flash/Flex to please one or two companies with no impact on Adobe's business? Come on Jon, among all people you should know how Adobe misslead everybody in the SVG community during the past few years. Giving people hope that Adobe can still be helpful is only helping killing SVG at this point. And I know this is not what you want. Marc --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jon Ferraiolo jferrai@ wrote: Margie, Thanks for the kind words. In terms of possible next steps, I suggest finding a way to express your point of view (professionally, of course) within a blog or a forum that Adobe would read. (I don't know the degree to which Adobe monitors this forum and I am not sure what other industry forums they read these days.) An important thing would be to give detailed information about the business impact that you face. Adobe is likely to be more receptive if a company speaks up and talks about any specific difficulties that they will face and what Adobe could do about relieving those difficulties. Adobe is less likely to listen to people who simply get up on their soapbox. (I already did that.) Jon Jon Ferraiolo jferrai@ Web Architect, Emerging Technologies IBM, Menlo Park, CA Mobile: +1-650-464-7817 Marjorie Roswell mroswell@ To om svg- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: cc svg- [EMAIL PROTECTED] hoogroups.com Subject Re: [svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue 09/07/2006 05:03 Adobe SVG Viewer AM Please respond to svg- [EMAIL PROTECTED] hoogroups.com Jon, That was beautifully written. Thank you for your work and advocacy in the SVG community. What's the next step for our community to take, regarding items 3, 4, and 5? Margie On 9/6/06, jon_ferraiolo jferrai@ wrote: Hi Pat, Now that I am a member of the community and no longer an employee of Adobe, here is my reaction: (1) First off, I believe that Adobe deserves a great amount of appreciation for their contributions to SVG and the open standards world for their activities in previous years. Adobe provided a high-quality free implementation of an SVG viewer at large expense. (Pat, you know this perhaps better than anyone.) Adobe also has provided
[svg-developers] Re: The best SVG Editor?
Depends what you want to do. If you intend to edit the code manually, then Eclipse is very nice, with the appropriate plug-ins. If you are more focusing on the design and the interactivity, you can have a look at the product my company delivers (www.beatware.com). e-Picture is for animation only, Mobile Designer can deliver interactive content. Hope that helps, Marc --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Hans Steffen Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, you could test http://www.inkscape.org/ has an xml-editor, but i don't know about JavaScript features. Hans-Steffen Schneider http://www.bcfo-consult.com -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von Roxana DIMA Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Februar 2006 09:11 An: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com Betreff: [svg-developers] The best SVG Editor? Hy all! Can anybody ell me which one is the best SVG Editor? I am interested to develop an animated SVG (so the editor should let me write JavaScript) and to import SVG fragments(to include a SVG file in another SVG file) I tried for a little bit Adobe Illustrator CS2 and XStudio 6.1 from EvolGraphics.But I cannot decide... (Any other suggestions ca n be made). I would apprecite a fast answer! Thank you so much! - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Editor/authoring tool to produce paths
I am not sure I understand what you are trying to achieve. Could you explain why it is important for you to mix relative and absolute coordinates? Is it for an optimization purpose? Thanks, Marc --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Martin Rusnak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I've tested many SVG editors/authoring tools focusing on path editing and couldn't find any suitable to my needs. I encountered these problems: * An SVG path can be composed of various types of components, like horizontal/vertical lines, arcs, quadratic or cubic bezier curves. However, the editors usually produce only one type of path component (e.g. cubic bezier curves). * The editors produce only absolute coordinates while SVG allows to use relative ones. * After finishing a path, it cannot be edited again i.e. control points moved or path components inserted/removed. Here is an example of path I produced in a text editor: path id=buttonPath d=M-25,-10 c-14,0 -14,20 0,20 h50 c14,0 14,-20 0,-20 h-50 z/ Does anybody know about an editor that can produce similar output? Martin - What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: SVG Open 2006 San Diego?
Andreas, I totally agree with this. To clarify a bit, I don't mean that we should focus only on the Mobile SVG side. I only believe that most companies interested in SVG in the Bay Area are interested mainly in the Mobile side. But the Bay Area is not the world! Marc --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This being said, it seems a little bit unfair to state that the US is less interested than Europe or Asia in open standards. I was under the impression that HTML and XML are quite successful here! that was probably a inconsiderate statement of mine - I apologize. But with the notable exception of Vancouver, SVG Open was/is organized on the campus of some nice Universities (Tokyo, Enschede, Victoria,...). In the US, you will need to go after Companies to organize such a thing. You asked individual developers, and this won't do. I have nothing against more commercialization. I think it is necessary and there is more demand towards that direction. But I would not like the commercialization aspect to be overwhelming. And the conference should be affordable also to students and OS programmers (be it through rebates, scolarships or both). If there is more commercialization of the conference we have to ensure that the quality of the conference remains high. Otherwise we run into the risk that conference attendees can only talk to (sometimes technically incompetent) sales people and can't reach the developers and content creators. That said, I would welcome more commercial support in the conference, but in a controlled way. But you have to discuss these issues mainly with Kurt Cagle who also runs a separate forum for the conference preparation. If university people organize the SVG.Open conference you also have to take into account that these people (I include myself into that group) are probably not that experienced in marketing and would probably need a hand from you guys from the marketing world. On the other hand, using university facilities for cheap (or free in some cases) was/is also invaluable and I doubt if the first SVG.Open conferences would have made it without the help of universities. Besides, SVG on the desktop is still (at best) a few years away from being successful. SVG Mobile is the big thing here so unless we are ready to shift the focus from SVG desktop to SVG Mobile, it will be difficult to capture the attention of the US. Well, if you look at the proceedings and contributions of the past SVG.Open conferences SVG mobile was always very well represented. SVG mobile always had own tracks and a high percentage of the presentations covered that topic. I agree that one could discuss putting the mobile aspect into the conference title/subtitle or more prominently marketing that aspect. Personally, I would very regret if the SVG people, community and the W3C would only go after the mobile market and neglect the desktop. I think both desktop and mobile can benefit from each other and I would not separate the two in future SVG.Open conferences. SVG has much to offer on the desktop even if its market share is not yet too big. All the best, Andreas Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: SVG Open 2006 San Diego?
Victoria is a beautiful place, and it will be a pleasure to meet there. This being said, it seems a little bit unfair to state that the US is less interested than Europe or Asia in open standards. I was under the impression that HTML and XML are quite successful here! But with the notable exception of Vancouver, SVG Open was/is organized on the campus of some nice Universities (Tokyo, Enschede, Victoria,...). In the US, you will need to go after Companies to organize such a thing. You asked individual developers, and this won't do. Besides, SVG on the desktop is still (at best) a few years away from being successful. SVG Mobile is the big thing here so unless we are ready to shift the focus from SVG desktop to SVG Mobile, it will be difficult to capture the attention of the US. My 2 cents, with the others... Marc --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Francis, it was the original plan to have the SVG.Open 2006 conference in the US. I approached Michael Bolger about investigating the possibility to have it somewhere in California. . Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: SVG Open 2006 San Diego?
Victoria is a beautiful place, and it will be a pleasure to meet there. This being said, it seems a little bit unfair to state that the US is less interested than Europe or Asia in open standards. I was under the impression that HTML and XML are quite successful here! But with the notable exception of Vancouver, SVG Open was/is organized on the campus of some nice Universities (Tokyo, Enschede, Victoria,...). In the US, you will need to go after Companies to organize such a thing. You asked individual developers, and this won't do. Besides, SVG on the desktop is still (at best) a few years away from being successful. SVG Mobile is the big thing here so unless we are ready to shift the focus from SVG desktop to SVG Mobile, it will be difficult to capture the attention of the US. My 2 cents, with the others... Marc --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Francis, it was the original plan to have the SVG.Open 2006 conference in the US. I approached Michael Bolger about investigating the possibility to have it somewhere in California. . Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: More on Sparkle...
You are raising some important issues here: - Your experience of what the mobile industry uses completely contradicts mine, Really. Could you point me to some actual facts? As far as I know, there are today two handset manufacturers shipping SVG content (not only viewers, content). Both are using our solution. but that's irrelevant since this is an entirely unrelated statement. So for you SVG Mobile and SVG are not related? And the fact that people are already using a tool to create their content for the Mobile platform is irrelevant for the desktop? Perhaps. Oh. I thought I noticed a few browsers with a rather clear future implementing SVG. Maybe I've been smoking. A future: yes. But for now these viewer (however promising) are not ready to be deployed. I've done intranet apps of quite interesting complexity using ASV. It requiring admin rights is a limitation for in the wild Web usage, but it doesn't prevent much more than that -- and there's a *lot* to do that isn't out on the Web. I don't dispute that. But I am concerned when I see an entire industry (Business Intelligence) which was shipping products based on SVG and is now going to use Flash, because of perceived installation problems. I have two big concerns with your comments Robin: - you imply that there are no good tools to created SVG content today. And this is not true. Our products are recognized by some major players (did you know that Sony is using our products to create content for the Playstation?), and there are other tools out there. Different but good tools too, designed by great guys. The problem for SVG is not in the tools. - you seem satisfy with SVG making interesting progresses in the lab. I want to see SVG mainstream, and right now this is not the case. We are generating SVG content since 2001, and I don't see much progress. So your enthusiasm around WPF and Sparkle concerns me a bit. Marc --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Robin Berjon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: m_verstaen wrote: This is an interesting comment. I had no idea that you have been waiting for a Visual Studio extension to develop SVG content. That's because I haven't, and you're misrepresenting my position. I've been waiting for an SVG IDE for years, and I'm not the only one. This has nothing to do with MSVS. Corel had started down the right path (though perhaps with some arguable choices) For your information, our products (e-Picture and Mobile Designer) are used by most carriers and handset manufacturers to create SVG content, already available on several devices. Several Business Intelligence vendors are using our solutions (Mobile Designer + Mobile Server). Only, they are using the Flash output and not the SVG output we provide. Do you really believe it has to do with the tools? I don't think so. Your experience of what the mobile industry uses completely contradicts mine, but that's irrelevant since this is an entirely unrelated statement. I'm talking IDE for WebApps, you're talking animations on mobiles. I am more doubtful about the success of any tool used to create content for SVG desktop: there are right now no real viewer available with a clear future. Oh. I thought I noticed a few browsers with a rather clear future implementing SVG. Maybe I've been smoking. Please, don't tell me that people can use ASVG! I realize the quality of this product and I do respect its developers. But something which needs administrator privilege to be installed cannot have a future in the real world; I've done intranet apps of quite interesting complexity using ASV. It requiring admin rights is a limitation for in the wild Web usage, but it doesn't prevent much more than that -- and there's a *lot* to do that isn't out on the Web. -- Robin Berjon Senior Research Scientist Expway, http://expway.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: More on Sparkle...
You are raising some important issues here: - Your experience of what the mobile industry uses completely contradicts mine, Really. Could you point me to some actual facts? As far as I know, there are today two handset manufacturers shipping SVG content (not only viewers, content). Both are using our solution. but that's irrelevant since this is an entirely unrelated statement. So for you SVG Mobile and SVG are not related? And the fact that people are already using a tool to create their content for the Mobile platform is irrelevant for the desktop? Perhaps. Oh. I thought I noticed a few browsers with a rather clear future implementing SVG. Maybe I've been smoking. A future: yes. But for now these viewer (however promising) are not ready to be deployed. I've done intranet apps of quite interesting complexity using ASV. It requiring admin rights is a limitation for in the wild Web usage, but it doesn't prevent much more than that -- and there's a *lot* to do that isn't out on the Web. I don't dispute that. But I am concerned when I see an entire industry (Business Intelligence) which was shipping products based on SVG and is now going to use Flash, because of perceived installation problems. I have two big concerns with your comments Robin: - you imply that there are no good tools to created SVG content today. And this is not true. Our products are recognized by some major players (did you know that Sony is using our products to create content for the Playstation?), and there are other tools out there. Different but good tools too, designed by great guys. The problem for SVG is not in the tools. - you seem satisfy with SVG making interesting progresses in the lab. I want to see SVG mainstream, and right now this is not the case. We are generating SVG content since 2001, and I don't see much progress. So your enthusiasm around WPF and Sparkle concerns me a bit. Marc --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Robin Berjon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: m_verstaen wrote: This is an interesting comment. I had no idea that you have been waiting for a Visual Studio extension to develop SVG content. That's because I haven't, and you're misrepresenting my position. I've been waiting for an SVG IDE for years, and I'm not the only one. This has nothing to do with MSVS. Corel had started down the right path (though perhaps with some arguable choices) For your information, our products (e-Picture and Mobile Designer) are used by most carriers and handset manufacturers to create SVG content, already available on several devices. Several Business Intelligence vendors are using our solutions (Mobile Designer + Mobile Server). Only, they are using the Flash output and not the SVG output we provide. Do you really believe it has to do with the tools? I don't think so. Your experience of what the mobile industry uses completely contradicts mine, but that's irrelevant since this is an entirely unrelated statement. I'm talking IDE for WebApps, you're talking animations on mobiles. I am more doubtful about the success of any tool used to create content for SVG desktop: there are right now no real viewer available with a clear future. Oh. I thought I noticed a few browsers with a rather clear future implementing SVG. Maybe I've been smoking. Please, don't tell me that people can use ASVG! I realize the quality of this product and I do respect its developers. But something which needs administrator privilege to be installed cannot have a future in the real world; I've done intranet apps of quite interesting complexity using ASV. It requiring admin rights is a limitation for in the wild Web usage, but it doesn't prevent much more than that -- and there's a *lot* to do that isn't out on the Web. -- Robin Berjon Senior Research Scientist Expway, http://expway.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Adobe Illustrator exporting SVG?
I am perhaps only adding to the noise, but in case some of you believe that Jon could be inclined to have a positive but twisted opinion on Adobe's products, then I am happy to say that Adobe did an excellent job with the SVG export in Adobe Illustrator CS2. Learning that Adobe is still investing on SVG is great news. Let's hope it will continue after the October/November time frame. Marc --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jon Ferraiolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will back up I'lam's response to say that Adobe continues to invest heavily in improving its SVG support in Adobe Illustrator. SVG support (particularly, SVG-Tiny) was one of the major engineering investment areas with the CS2 version of Illustrator. The investment continues: there will be further SVG improvements in the next version of Illustrator, also. Jon Ferraiolo Adobe Systems, Inc. At 04:02 PM 8/15/2005, I'lam Mougy wrote: Short answer, not true. Illustrator CS2 (and CS) tries to write primitive if it can. If you draw a perfect circle, it will write a circle element, if you draw an elipse it will write an elipse, if you draw rectangle (even rotated), it will write rect with the proper rotation, only in complex transformation things default to path element. On the other hand (this is only in CS2), if you import primitives, it will preserve them too, so if you import a line element, it will keep it line when exported, if you import an elipse that has rx=ry, it will keep it elipse, even though it looks like circle. In CS2, animation is preserved as well as any XML data that is not understood by Illustrator. This applies to script element, some defs, etc..., you will be able to see those unknown elements in the layer palette as objects that you can move around. The goal in Illustrator CS2, among small exported file size, is to round trip svg files that are not created entirely in Illustrator. I'lam --- Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the following true? When exporting vectors to SVG, Adobe Illustrator creates only path elements, not SVG primitives. Even though Adobe Illustrator has an ellipse tool and a rectangle tool, it does not export rect or ellipse elements. circle, line, polyline, and polygon elements are not generated, either. Therefore, you cannot employ a technique (like a script or an SVG animation element) that manipulates a special characteristic of a primitive. For example, you cannot write JavaScript function to change the radius of a circle, because Adobe Illustrator will not export an object as a circle element. (Of course, you could always edit an SVG document by hand and replace a path element with a circle.) I can see that Illustrator CS2 does rely on path element but when I downloaded the trial version, I could see two two rect elements when I created svg file from Illustrator CS2 after using the rectangle tool in the shape toolbar. Does anybody knows how Illustrator exports SVG? What elements it uses etc..? thanks JM - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg- developershttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developerssvg-developers on the web. * * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] subject=Unsubscribe[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hdad7kq/M=362329.6886308.7839368.1510227/D=groups/S=1706030389:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1124223094/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
