Re: [swinog] SafeHost AS21217 accused to leak routes for two hours to China Telecom AS4134 - anyone from SafeHost to comment?

[Will van Gulik]

Hi Fredy and list,

Interesting one, I'm not aware that SafeHost's noc is around on the
list. Also, from what I see Safehost doesn't peer anywhere, so that
looks more like route manipulaiton , like someone injecting a route that
looks that it's from AS21217 . Or worse, overly fat fingers or routing
optimization tools.

We have something to look at during our rainy long week end ;)

Will

On Sun, Jun 09, 2019 at 07:22:52AM -0400, Fredy Kuenzler wrote:
> https://blog.apnic.net/2019/06/07/large-european-routing-leak-sends-traffic-through-china-telecom/
> 
> --
> Fredy Kuenzler
> Init7 (Switzerland) Ltd.
> Technoparkstrasse 5
> CH-8406 Winterthur
> Switzerland
> 
> http://www.init7.net/
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Re: [swinog] New BÜPF / VÜPF: Technical, Organisational and Administrative Requirements, March 1, 2019

[Will van Gulik]

Well, wasn't what Alexander & Nils said during their talk ( 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrCW2p3ne0U ) ? 

In summary : " opt-out, and you won't have anything to do " ?

At least that was my understanding, but I might be missing some specifics as I 
didn't read all the legal papers.

Cheers, 

Will

> On 21 Jan 2019, at 20:30, Fredy Kuenzler  wrote:
> 
> Did anyone notice and read the new BÜPF / VÜPF Technical, Organisational
> and Administrative Requirements, valid from March 1, 2019?
> 
> To my understanding FDAs with reduced requirements don't have to do
> anything.
> 
> Press release in DE/FR/IT
> 
> DE
> https://www.admin.ch/gov/de/start/dokumentation/medienmitteilungen.msg-id-73716.html
> 
> FR
> https://www.admin.ch/gov/fr/accueil/documentation/communiques.msg-id-73716.html
> 
> IT
> https://www.admin.ch/gov/it/pagina-iniziale/documentazione/comunicati-stampa.msg-id-73716.html
> 
> -- 
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> Init7 (Switzerland) Ltd.
> AS13030
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> Twitter: @init7 / @kuenzler
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[swinog] Swinog #34 Ride on 30th - Geneva and Lausanne

[Will van Gulik]

Hey Swinogers,

FYI I will be taking the train at 6:42 from GVA, in 2nd class. If anyone wanna 
join me, I'll try to take some space for those stepping in in Lausanne.

Cheers and see you all tomorrow ! :)

Will

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Re: [swinog] DDOS >1Tbps - Swiss-wide (regional) BGP propagation?!

[Will van Gulik]

> On 02 Oct 2016, at 09:53, Jeroen Massar  wrote:
> 
> On 2016-10-02 05:27, Rabbi Rob Thomas wrote:
>> Dear team,
>> 
>>> Since we see >1Tbps DDOS attacs in the wild, I suppose
>>> out-of-the-box DDOS mitigation suppliers have lost this race. There
>>> is no operator in Switzerland which can handle 1Tbps DDOS attacks.
>> 
>>> When we saw DDOS against digitec.ch and others earlier this year, I
>>> was a bit surprised that none of the so called "experts" proposed
>>> regional BGP propagation as a remedy.
>> 
>> May I offer up UTRS as a model or perhaps part of your solution?
>> 
>> 
> 
> Good one.
> 
> Lets see if the SwiNOG #30 PC gives a slot for this discussion, then
> we'll include it in the slidedeck and conversation.
> 
> Unless somebody from TC is hopping over, I'll use the details on:
> https://www.cymru.com/jtk/misc/utrs.html
> as input. Pointing out that TC is of course the one who runs UTRS :)
> 

I actually already submitted a talk about that topic (not exactly on 1Tbps 
DDoS), and UTRS is already there. But with this thread I see me extending my 
content with our new information ;)

> Greets,
> Jeroen
> 

Cheers,

Will

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Re: [swinog] DDOS >1Tbps - Swiss-wide (regional) BGP propagation?!

[Will van Gulik]

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[swinog] Ripe Probes @SwiNOG-28 (6th may 2015)

[Will van Gulik]

Hi Swinogers,

Like at last Swinog, I'll have a small amount of Atlas probe with me.

Here is the link to the project, that most of you know and which is
really useful for the community : https://atlas.ripe.net/

I would like to give away probes for ASNs who doesn't have one yet,
because I think there are many in most of the usual Swiss eyeballs networks.

If you have any questions, just follow the link above, contact me, or
ping me at Swinog. It's easy to spot me, I (also) speak French.

And if you know you want/need one, just reply me with your ASN and I'll
put one aside for you.

See you all on the mountain ! :)

Will van Gulik
Atlas Ambassador,
IP-Max SA - AS25091

 Forwarded Message 
Subject:[swinog] Reminder SwiNOG-28 (6th may 2015)
Date:   Sun, 26 Apr 2015 15:37:02 -0400
From:   Roman Hochuli ro...@swinog.org
To: swi...@swinog.ch swi...@swinog.ch



Hello Everybody

I'd like to reminde you SwiNOG meeting (#28) is happening on May 6th
2015. The event will be held at the Gurtenpark in Berne.

Registration is open. The agenda is available on the meeting
website.

Meeting website:
http://www.swinog.ch/meetings/swinog28/index.asp

Meeting registration:
https://register.swinog.ch/

We hope to see you *all* at SwiNOG-28!

Have a nice week,

Roman Hochuli
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Re: [swinog] SwiNOG-27 (22th october 2014) (Ripe Atlas Probe)

[Will van Gulik]

Hi Swinogers,

Be aware that I'll have some Ripe Atlas Probes ( https://atlas.ripe.net/
) with me. I'd be glad to give some to the ASN that don't have one on
their network yet.

I'll be easy to find, I speak French and I peer much.

Cheers !

Will van Gulik
Ripe Atlas Ambassador
IP-Max SA - AS25091

On 10/2/14 9:39 AM, Roman Hochuli wrote:
 Dear all

 We posted the agenda of the upcoming SwiNOG-27 on the website. Have a
 look here: http://www.swinog.ch/meetings/swinog27/agenda.asp

 You can still register for SwiNOG-27! Details are available her:

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Re: [swinog] swinog.ch and SwiNOG meeting

[Will van Gulik]

Mehmet,

He is, but not anymore in the board of Swinog, if I recall correctly ;)

Will
(aka peering guy @AS25091)

On 11/27/13 10:55 PM, Mehmet Akcin wrote:
 Is Pascal still alive ? Would be my question :-)

 Mehmet

 On Nov 27, 2013, at 13:50, Tobias Brunner tob...@tobru.ch wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 Does anyone know what happened to the website www.swinog.ch? It just serves 
 a Default Parallels Plesk Panel Page.
 Looking back at past meeting dates on archive.org it would have been time 
 for another meeting at around November, but I think there was nothing 
 announced. I'm wondering when the next meeting would take place?

 Cheers and good night,
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Re: [swinog] Presentation from last SWNOG meeting

[Will van Gulik]

Hi everyone,

I Just noticed that the presentations (most of them) of the #24 were 
finally online.


Thanks for that ! :)

Will

On 7/6/12 10:52 AM, Roman Hochuli wrote:

Hello All


I am looking for the presentation from last meeting. It seams that they
are not available at the usual place. Any change here or work in progress?

It's the later... Sorry for the delay. Will get back to you when we
sorted it out.

Regards
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Re: [swinog] IPv6 Buddy Keypad

[Will van Gulik]

Hmm, we even got something older :

http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20080267683

On 3/30/12 7:35 PM, Scott Weeks wrote:


--- opperm...@networx.ch wrote:
From: Andre Oppermannopperm...@networx.ch

This special USB IPv6 number keypad doesn't seem to be a joke:
   http://www.ipv6buddy.com

Even includes dedicated : and :: buttons.

Somebody should buy a 10-pack and sell them at next Swinog meeting. ;-)
---


It's weird, but it's not a joke.  The guys over at AusNOG were checking it out 
a while back:

http://lists.ausnog.net/pipermail/ausnog/2012-January/011962.html

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Re: [swinog] Looking for a Lab Switch

[Will van Gulik]

Hi Tobias,

FYI Ricardo or ebay is full of Cisco 2924 / 2950 / 3548 for really 
reasonable prices.
So if you don't find any in the community (which I doubt you wont in the 
ch_de part), keep this possibility in mind.
You would probably also find some in ch_fr part, however the travel and 
the beer makes the auction idea back in front ;) .


Good luck with your search,

Will

On 2/7/12 8:21 PM, Tobias Brunner wrote:

Hi everyone

I'm looking for a cheap cli managed 24 port (or more) cisco/nortel/hp/avaya/brocade 
switch (not a linksys or other home-hardware) for my home lab to try things 
out. If someone has an offer or knows where to get one, please contact me off-list.

Thanks to everyone

Cheers,
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Re: [swinog] Extraction fees

[Will van Gulik]

Hi Pim,

First, I'm thinking that 16 hours and 2 (other) guys for 3 servers and 
some network devices looks a bit heavy.


Maybe that's what they are counting for the time spent for those two guys.

My point of view is that if they act like that after a long work period, 
it might be a place/company to avoid.


However if you don't have pending bills, I don't see why they are 
charging you for extraction, that's really non sense.


Will

On 11/13/11 11:19 PM, Pim van Pelt wrote:

Hi NOG!

An ISP that I have had a ~4y relationship with has recently terminated
the hosting for a small number of servers (3x 1U machine and a switch
and a console server). For a while they were not able to return my
equipment to me, but now they have sent me a friendly letter asking me
to pay a significant sum of money (to the tune of 4000 CHF) extraction
fee, and that I must accompany two engineers on-site for about 16
hours to safely remove the equipment. Is it common for swiss companies
to terminate agreements and then send an invoice for returning the
property?

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Re: [swinog] Efficient ADSL2 Bridges nowdays

[Will van Gulik]

 Jeroen, as I'm doing my v6 on a router behind the bridge, I really 
don't care about what feature as the bridge, beside bridging ;)


Roger, I'm quite fan of pcengines already, however they don't do the 
interconnection with the incombent (isp) supporting *dsl interaction. 
I'm really interested on the device at the front of it.


W.

On 2/1/11 8:23 PM, Roger Blum wrote:

Hi Will

On 01.02.2011, at 16:44, Jeroen Massar wrote:

On 2011-02-01 15:29, Will van Gulik wrote:

Heya people,

Currently maintaining many customers network offices with ADSLs
connections, generaly bridging the router on site and doing all my
routing on a *nix box.

In this design, I'm looking for some efficient, low price, reliable
hardware that would do only the bridge work.

The Netopia VDSL[1] thingies that Swisscom gives along with the VDSL
offer works like a charm over here. I just disabled the wireless on it
(as I could not manage it and hey, that is not the way to do it) and put
it into bridge mode and indeed have a Linux box behind it for IPv4 NAT
and IPv6 tunneling, nice clean 1480 path to the PoP ;)

Otherwise you might want to look at the new AVM 7570 box, that one can
even do IPv6 (with some quirks like no static routing yet but it does
work ;) even supports TIC+heartbeat.

For that matter, just cut down the list to everything that does support
IPv6 and skip the rest as that is then not a good investment.

[1] http://www.netopia.com/equipment/products/miavo/index.html

I can recommend hardware from PC Engines [2] on where you can run different 
operating systems on a CompactFlash card. There are also a few naked os 
(Debian, CentOS) images or prepared router/firewall images linked on the site, 
such as m0n0wall [3] or pfSense [4].

[2] http://www.pcengines.ch/
[3] http://m0n0.ch/wall/
[4] http://www.pfsense.org/

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[swinog] Efficient ADSL2 Bridges nowdays

[Will van Gulik]

 Heya people,

Currently maintaining many customers network offices with ADSLs 
connections, generaly bridging the router on site and doing all my 
routing on a *nix box.


In this design, I'm looking for some efficient, low price, reliable 
hardware that would do only the bridge work.


I've used various hardware those days, like zyxel, linksys, even tried 
tp-link.


Does anyone have any insight about that ?

Thanks !

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Re: [swinog] Vorratsdatenspeicherung

[Will van Gulik]

Sorry again about the  I'm not so easy on german related stuff , but I 
guess this topic is related to the data retention thing issued some time 
ago. If so, it would be great to share this in english also, if you 
don't mind. I guess some non-german speaking people would also be 
interested on sharing on that topic.

Thanks to those who already did so, sorry for being so late on that 
topic to ask some condensed translation on the topic.

Regards.

(A non-so-fluent-on-german-reader)

Xaver Aerni wrote:

 Hallo zusammen,
 Das Bakom hat in dem letzten Monat ein Büchlein als Gerichtsurkunde 
 verschickt, betreffend der Voratsdatenspeicherung. Was die Geräte 
 können müssen etc.

 Meinse wissens gibt es bis jetzt nur eine Lösung die einigermassen 
 Abnehmbar ist. Das ist das von Nokia Siemens... Und das erfüllt auch 
 nicht in allen Punkten die Vorschriften.

 Die Vorschrift ist ja eigentlich für die Katze. Und die Provider 
 müssen für diese Lösung viel Geld in die Hand nehmen. Für 3 Monate 
 sämtlichen Verkehr aufzuzeichnen. Braucht je nach Providergrösse sehr 
 grosse Kapazitäten.

 Mich nimmt es Wunder was im Moment bei den diversen Provider geplant 
 ist. Eigentlich müsste der Aufwand für das Aufzeichnen auf die Kunden 
 abgewälzt werden. Das heisst ein DSL Anschluss würde im Schnitt etwa 
 Fr. 10.-- bis Fr. 20.-- im Monat teurer werden.

 Die Auf die Abgaben die der Bund für eine Auskunft zahlen würde. 
 (Betrag steht ja nicht fest) kann man ja nicht rechnen.

 Gruss Xaver

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Re: [swinog] Time to Exclude Bad ISPs

[Will van Gulik]

However, as one the problem is the end-user out there, that's also 
something quite hard to deal with. We have not been able to  fix  
every user, and I guess we won't be able to do that.

So affecting where we can isn't that bad, even if it's not the best way 
to do it.

Will

Peter Keel wrote:
 And whereas the CNC-infrastructure of a botnet is clearly the easiest point 
 to attack, 
 it won't really destroy the botnet, it only will make the botnet-herders 
 loose control
 over their botnet. The real problem lies elsewhere, not in ISP-space. 

 Cheers
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Re: AW: [swinog] Happy Sysadminday!

[Will van Gulik]

Hmmm I guess Sysadmins does speak english right ?

Any way :

Joyeux jour des sysadmins, vous êtes tous beau.

:)

Reto Burkhalter wrote:

Habe ein schönes Danke, liebe Admins Banner erhalten.. ich hätte
mit mehr Bestechung gerechnet :)
Gruss

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
*Von:* Michele Capobianco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Gesendet:* Freitag, 27. Juli 2007 11:31
*An:* 'swinog@lists.swinog.ch'
*Betreff:* [swinog] Happy Sysadminday!

Alle jahre wieder….

Na?

Was habt ihr für geschenke bekommen?

http://www.sysadminday.ch

Gruss aus Wil

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Re: AW: WG: [swinog] de-peering

[Will van Gulik]

This sounds really interessting, but what about an English version, or 
worse, a french one ?


Please, well all know that communicating is not as simple as we'd liked 
it to be, (read : packet loss, version problems, flapping, [use any 
silly/true reason here]), but *trying* to make it readable to anyone 
else is quite a nice bonus.


Did we won that one ? ;)

Xaver Aerni wrote:

Hallo Peter,

Die meisten CC Modems ist das Webinterface gesperrt.

Deshalb ist es nicht möglich.
Laut den Spezifikationen war der Upstream auf 27 MHZ. Bei unseren Messungen
sind die auf 23 MHZ gewesen.
Die Frage ist nur wieso... Man sagt ja das von 15 - 20 MHZ die Störungen
sehr gross sind (auf den Kabelnetz) und wenn die Mittelfrequenz bei 23 MHZ
ist (8 MHZ Bandbreite) kommen die recht in diesen bereich runter.

Gruss Xaver 


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Peter Baumann

Gesendet: Freitag, 15. Dezember 2006 17:24
An: swinog@swinog.ch
Betreff: Re: WG: [swinog] de-peering

Xaver Aerni schrieb:
Hab mal eine ernste Frage betreffend Cablecom und ihren dauernden 
Störungen…


Ist es möglich dass die CC ihre Upsteamfrequenz von 27 MHZ 
auf 23 MHZ 
gewechselt hat? Das würde die Störungen dauernden Störungen 

erklären.

Gruss Xaver


Hi Xaver

Meistens kann man auf dem Cablemodem Webinterface die 
Up-/Downstream Frequenzen und HF-Pegel anschauen.
Versuch mal mit dem Browser auf http://192.168.100.1 zu 
connecten, dort gibts ev. je nach Modell eine Diag-Seite.


Ev. hilft auch das folgende Tool um die Abfrage via SNMP zu machen:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/robin.d.h.walker/docsdiag/

Gruss

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Re: [swinog] JOB: Senior Network Engineer, Schlieren/ZH

[Will van Gulik]

Jeroen Massar wrote:

ahem... that's a long list...



Pascal, that is what most people call Over qualified :)

Nevertheless, how much you get paid doesn't really matter, it's about
how much fun you have. The funding helps a lot in the equation, but if
you get paid loads and you are not having any fun then what's the use of
having loads of fun and having to spend all that money to actually have fun?

Greets,
 Jeroen
I Quite agree on that one. But I guess almost everyone around here works 
because there is a fun part in its work.
Another fact is that if the salary is correct, it may be considered as 
the magic bonus if the work is cool ;)


Ok I may be put into the weird guys list, but some of you guys already 
know that ...


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Re: [swinog] SDSL

[Will van Gulik]

Depending on the distance you have between the two points, you can use 
some sdsl modems that are supposed  to reach 4 or 5 mb. Over 2 pairs you 
can reach 9 mb ...


I Guess Tahoe have some that does that, don't know about the others ...

By the way, I'd be curious if there are other products that can achieve 
that performance on a copper pair ...


Anyone ?

Regards.

Will

Lukas Beeler wrote:

* Xaver Aerni [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  

   I'm working on a Projekt we are needing a Line for ca 3 Mbit. Is it
   possible to multiplex 2 SDSL Lines to a 3 Mbit Line... that we have
   3.6 Mbits

   We don't use Internet Connect we must only connect two Points.



That's easily possible, if you have both end points under your
controller. You will need a device which is capable of mixing
the datastream.

Depending on your budget and application, you can use two Linux
or *BSD based machines with some SDSL Bridges (e.G. ZyXEL), or
you can buy a router appliance equipped with two SDSL cards and 
the appropiate licenses.


If you need the latter, talk with the presales support of your
distributor, they can tell you which products can fulfill your
needs.

If you are on a limited budget, you might try the first variant.
This needs more technical expertise, though.
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Re: [swinog] Re: OT: blogging

[Will van Gulik]

Hi,

I'll just throw my  frenchy  point of view.

I like that blog  news ideas quite much, I spend throwing links on irc 
(ok not #swinog) all day long anyway


But the problem that keeps me away from those, I guess, interessting 
news, is that they are in german. And sorry about that, but I'm still 
not able to read that language correctly.


So what about pasting something (on irc why not) worldwide readable ? ;)

PS : That may also be why I'm not on #swinog anymore, btw ... :)

Peter Baumann wrote:

Please go on with your Blogg.ch, it's always very interesting and
informative!

OK, the posting of the URLS into this mailing list is maybe not the
right choice... maybe in IRC?

How are the others thinking?



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Re: [swinog] Visit of Billag AG at home !

[Willy van Gulik]

Hi,
As I can remember Sam hasn't got a car :)
I own a car and didn't plugged the antenna so I m unable to receive any 
FM Radio and so on. My building hasn't any antenna connection to cable 
or whatever.

But I'm lucky, I towed the guys from Billag a long time ago, and I guess 
i still have the mail where they told me I wasn't in the need to pay. 
But that was in fact before that * stupid addition * (my 2 cents ;) ) 
regarding the broadband access.

Maybe telling billag you have a pc, but have no microsoft or 
userfriendly software and any media viewer, as you are using your 
internet connection only for professional matters (as monitoring etc) 
could work.

The fact is,  Nul n'est sens ignorer la loi , but  c'est tellement 
marrant de jouer avec la loi quand on y arrive  :) (yeah I'm getting 
low cost, 1,5 cents for that one only)

Gimme a ring, or meet me for a beer if you have anymore question about 
that ...

BTW everything must be on the billag website, and I can remember we 
disscussed that some time ago on the list.

Cheers.
Will.
Steven Glogger wrote:
hi sam
some weeks/months ago we all got a nice letter (little booklet) from billag 
which explained the whole stuff.
unfortunately i haven't got it at home.
but they say that a broadband connection and windows pc with media player (or 
anything similar) can act as a radio and therefore you'll have to pay.
but anyway: do you got a car? does this car has a radio? if yes: you have to 
pay anyway ;-)) maybe you can take the billag then on expenses ;-))
-steven
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of samuel clakre
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 3:02 PM
To: swinog@swinog.ch
Subject: [swinog] Visit of Billag AG at home !

Hi all,
Sorry for my english !
Yesterday evening I had the visit of Billag AG at home. I have neither TV ,radios. I have just ADSL. I say to him that some time I to listen to the radios on the Internet.
Cost it wanted to make me pay the royalty for the radios. Because I had a broad-band connection and a PC!!! 
I shine request papers official on what it wanted to tax me, it unfortunately had anything on him has to present to me.

3 slanging match after !
I say to him that when www.couleur3.ch is typed I have the radios without 
anything asked and without warned that I must pay billag to listen.
It is to retract in me say that I had the subscription that it thought.
It thought that I had the subscription of bluewin Internet + radios.
Who has a url with these law of billag??
Regards
sam
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Re: [swinog] Visit of Billag AG at home !

[Willy van Gulik]

Wooups.
So this is only a french thing ?
Does this means that, as long as your unaware of the fact you should be 
paying Billag for a broadband access, you're not in a illegal situation ?

I have to re-read all those documentation sent. Thanks for the links 
guys, I was missing a lot of content about that subject.

Pascal Gloor wrote:
The fact is,  Nul n'est sens ignorer la loi , 

In fact, this doesn't exist in Switzerland.
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