Re: [swinog] Init7 peering
Hey Arnold, Maybe reading, understanding and acting along http://www.denog.de/pdf/004-Tremmel-Attractive_for_Peering.pdf does help ;-) Some advices are good, other are senseless to me. By the way, that comes straight from DECIX people. Remind me that is DECIX? ;) That would be silly if they wouldn't try to sell their services undirectly in some ways... To me it sounds a but like would if it would be some brand of class clothes saying dress well to sign better contracts ads. Best regards, Arnold NB: nothing sneaky to catch from my reply ;) Cheers. Alex -- Alexandre Egger Neocarrier Communications LTD 311, SHOREHAM STREET S2 4FA SHEFFIELD United Kingdom E : a.eg...@neocarrier.com W : www.neocarrier.com ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Init7 peering
Alexandre Egger wrote: By the way, that comes straight from DECIX people. Remind me that is DECIX? ;) That would be silly if they wouldn't try to sell their services undirectly in some ways... To me it sounds a but like would if it would be some brand of class clothes saying dress well to sign better contracts ads. dress well to sign better contracts - it's not bad advice. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (9.9°C) ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Init7 peering
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:42:32 +0100, Per Jessen per.jes...@enidan.ch wrote: dress well to sign better contracts - it's not bad advice. /Per Per, I agree. But I was using this as metaphor that obviously a very expensive brand will tell you to buy their clothes to do it better just as a brand of car would tell you their cars are betters than other and will get you further. You don't need to buy the most expensive clothes - that's what I meant. From them it cannot be considered as neutral opinion. Cheers. Alex -- Alexandre Egger Neocarrier Communications LTD 311, SHOREHAM STREET S2 4FA SHEFFIELD United Kingdom E : a.eg...@neocarrier.com W : www.neocarrier.com ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Init7 peering
On 22.11.2009 19:51 Alexandre Egger wrote On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:42:32 +0100, Per Jessen per.jes...@enidan.ch wrote: dress well to sign better contracts - it's not bad advice. /Per Per, I agree. But I was using this as metaphor that obviously a very expensive brand will tell you to buy their clothes to do it better just as a brand of car would tell you their cars are betters than other and will get you further. You don't need to buy the most expensive clothes - that's what I meant. From them it cannot be considered as neutral opinion. Iirc Wolfgang's presentation does not say that you you have to buy DE-CIX services, neither does it say that you have to peer with everyone. Doesn't it? Or did you only want to say that DE-CIX is expensive? Which is also not true. Arnold -- Arnold Nipper / nIPper consulting, Sandhausen, Germany email: arn...@nipper.de phone: +49 6224 9259 299 mobile: +49 172 2650958 fax: +49 6224 9259 333 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Init7 peering
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:00:30 +0100, Arnold Nipper arn...@nipper.de wrote: I did reply to this just for fun and nothing else. Iirc Wolfgang's presentation does not say that you you have to buy DE-CIX services, neither does it say that you have to peer with everyone. Doesn't it? I am not saying anything of this kind. Probably I did not express myself accurately. My fault. Or did you only want to say that DE-CIX is expensive? Which is also not true. Arnold I am also not saying this. I do not want to comment their prices. Just keep in mind that it's a commercial company which aims at making money out of this business (at least with a honourable purpose). I will turn green for now and save cooling, bandwidth, diskspace and power and leave SwiNOGers rest for the weekend :-) Cheers. Alex -- Alexandre Egger Neocarrier Communications LTD 311, SHOREHAM STREET S2 4FA SHEFFIELD United Kingdom E : a.eg...@neocarrier.com W : www.neocarrier.com ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Init7 peering
On 19.11.2009 10:50 Fredy Kuenzler wrote Alexandre Egger schrieb: Could anyone responsible for the peering at Init7 (AS13030) contact me in directly off-list. We keep trying to reach your NOC by email with no results :( you are on the pending request list ... Maybe reading, understanding and acting along http://www.denog.de/pdf/004-Tremmel-Attractive_for_Peering.pdf does help ;-) Best regards, Arnold -- Arnold Nipper / nIPper consulting, Sandhausen, Germany email: arn...@nipper.de phone: +49 6224 9259 299 mobile: +49 172 2650958 fax: +49 6224 9259 333 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Init7 peering
Hi Alexandre, Alexandre Egger schrieb: Could anyone responsible for the peering at Init7 (AS13030) contact me in directly off-list. We keep trying to reach your NOC by email with no results :( you are on the pending request list ... On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:57:26 +0100, Alexandre Egger a.eg...@neocarrier.com wrote: We Neocarrier Communications LTD (AS48885 - http://swissix.org/peeringdetails.php?as=48885) would like to peer with you. and yes the list is long, I'm afraid. So please be patient (it sometimes takes years to get a peer)... Best regards, Fredy Künzler Init Seven AG ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Init7 peering
Hello Fredy, Thanks for reply. you are on the pending request list ... We never had even an acknowledgement message. One can wonder if the request is gone in the bit bucket :-) and yes the list is long, I'm afraid. So please be patient (it sometimes takes years to get a peer)... I can believe that it is not done straight away. However, I am quite sure that even bureaucrat companies can do it quicker than years if their peering policy is not too weird (ok I'm exlcuding a lot of 4 digit ASses :) Cheers. -- Alexandre Egger Neocarrier Communications LTD 311, SHOREHAM STREET S2 4FA SHEFFIELD United Kingdom E : a.eg...@neocarrier.com W : www.neocarrier.com ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Init7 peering
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:09:03 +0100, Bernd SPIESS bernd.spi...@ascus.at wrote: i can assure you, you are wrong :-) at vienna vix it takes about one year to have an answer from everbody. it took about 2 years at milano and about 15 rounds of asking to have a yes+session or no from everyone de-cix seems to be the worst - after more than one year we still miss answers from about 80 carriers and are in the 10´th round of asking :-) I can trust you Bernd. I am not too much surprised about MIX lead times, almost any request take ages, I have lived there for some time. This being said, here is a tip how to get faster peering: http://www.blogg.ch/index.php?/archives/816-Der-charmanteste-Peering-Request.html (not to mention, it's Fredy's log :) Would a pie help Fredy? :) -- Alexandre Egger Neocarrier Communications LTD 311, SHOREHAM STREET S2 4FA SHEFFIELD United Kingdom E : a.eg...@neocarrier.com W : www.neocarrier.com ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Init7 peering
Alexandre Egger schrieb: This being said, here is a tip how to get faster peering: http://www.blogg.ch/index.php?/archives/816-Der-charmanteste-Peering-Request.html (not to mention, it's Fredy's log :) Would a pie help Fredy? :) yes but only if it doesn't contain any raisins :-P F. ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
[swinog] Init7 peering
Hi, Could anyone responsible for the peering at Init7 (AS13030) contact me in directly off-list. We keep trying to reach your NOC by email with no results :( Best regards, Alexandre -- Alexandre Egger Neocarrier Communications LTD 311, SHOREHAM STREET S2 4FA SHEFFIELD United Kingdom E : a.eg...@neocarrier.com W : www.neocarrier.com ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
