RE: t-and-f: Re: Built Like Tanks
Why just Dimitrova? Is it because she comes from Eastern Europe? every one else exempt by default? UG -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sandra K Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 2:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Re: Built Like Tanks It'd be interesting to see the chromosome report on 100 metre hurdles athlete Svetla Dimitrova.
RE: t-and-f: Zurich 1500m :: 11 aug 2000
as far as you know Saidi Sief never ran below 3:30. Well, he did just this in Lausanne on July 4th, timed in 3:29.51 and beating Laban Rotich (3:33.27), Ngeny (3:33.63), WC bronze medal winner Maazouzi (3:33.71) and others. UG on -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of malmo Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 2:06 AM To: 'Jeroen de Wilt'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Zurich 1500m :: 11 aug 2000 Don't take this the wrong way Jeroen, but why point out that ElG's last lap 54.97 in a performance where the average pace is 55.26? malmo According to ATHLETICS 2001 and the Edmonton 2001 Statistics Handbook of the IAAF, both including the all-time list for all TF-fields (and more), the best ever 1500 meter should be: 11th August 2000, Weltklasse Zurich CH: 1. 3.27.21 (3rd time ever) El Guerrouj; last lap 54.97 2. 3.28.12 (7th time ever, 3rd fastest runner ever) Ngeny 3. 3.28.51 (11th time ever, 4th faster runner ever) B. Lagat 2nd fastest race might be the 1997-edition of the Weltklasse: 1. El Guerrouj 3.28.91 2. Cacho European Record: 3.28.95 3. Niyongabo 3.29.43 As far as I know Saidi Sief has never runner below 3.30 Hopes this helps in your mental preparation for tomorrow's meeting. Regards, Jeroen de Wilt The Netherlands P.S. is there any pacemaker announced on the cited website? -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: donderdag 16 augustus 2001 23:04 Onderwerp: Re: t-and-f: Zurich 1500m If El G, Ali S-S and Ngeny all run the 1500 tomorrow, it would be a rare race pitting the (very loosely) past, present and future of the event against each other. Ali S-S is not running according to the website. Too bad. Bernard Lagat is running. That's still a pretty fair trio.
Re: t-and-f: Re: Built Like Tanks
Not at all--- admittedly, it's somewhat of a cheap shot, but Dimitrova just happens to look more profoundly masculine than anyone else competing, Mutola included. Who knows, she might be as biologically 'female' as is possible, but it sure hasn't manifested itself in her appearance. - Original Message - From: Uri Goldbourt, PhD [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sandra K [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:41 AM Subject: RE: t-and-f: Re: Built Like Tanks Why just Dimitrova? Is it because she comes from Eastern Europe? every one else exempt by default? UG -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sandra K Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 2:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Re: Built Like Tanks It'd be interesting to see the chromosome report on 100 metre hurdles athlete Svetla Dimitrova.
RE: t-and-f: Richard Chelimo, former 10,000m record holder, dead at 34
Also, Richard was the brother of Ismael Kirui, the 1993 (beating Gebresilassie in a courageous front run and a very early break) and 1995 5000m world champion. They had different family names, presumably because they were raised by different grandparents (?). UG - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Post, Marty Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 5:46 PM To: 't-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail) Subject: t-and-f: Richard Chelimo, former 10,000m record holder, dead at 34 from a brain tumor more at http://www.sportserver.com/track_field/story/62352p-897850c.html Marty Post Senior Editor Runner's World Magazine www.runnersworld.com
Re: t-and-f: Weltklasse TV
In a message dated 8/16/01 5:01:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is Zurich still scheduled to be shown ... Aug 18 1:00-2:00 amESPN2Eastern time This is correct Walt Murphy
Re: t-and-f: Re: Drug cheats aren't funny Garry.
Your construct of my message is to say going after drug cheats is emphasizing the negative about our sport. Untrue! If I had said you should change to National Enquirer style articles with headlines and rumors about athletes, you'd be right. But I DID NOT do that. Instead what I would hope you/TFN would do would be to constantly keep the pressure on the various governing authorities to test, test, test. The IOC has LOTS of money. It can afford to fund widespread, year 'round testing. If the mainstream media come to you, I completely agree with you that Track is one of the cleanest sports, so emphasize that to them. If they want sensational stuff about Track athletes and drugs, urge them to check out pro football players who suddenly, in a generation or two, have grown to 300-350 pounds. TFN is, as you well know, not a mainstream periodical. It is for hard core fans who truly care about this sport. It does not serve them and the sport well when it largely turns a blind eye to this issue. In another posting you suggested that back in the '60s people didn't care about who did or didn't use drugs. That is misleading, at best. If we said almost nothing it was because we were naively under the impression that competition was fair - that no one was cheating. I hate cheats today; I hated them then. As for whether or not the drug issue is killing our sport, I submit that killing is close to the truth. How many of us life-long track people have the same innocent love for the sport we once did? How many of us instead react, today, to new records with the immediate suspicion/worry/ nagging doubt - Is it real? Was it drug-assisted. Since posting my original comlaint, I re-read some of TFN's coverage of Ben Johnson's performances from '87 and '88. Superlatives abounded - appropriately. You had to use them - he seemed off the charts - but I'm sure you wondered if they were legitimate. You had to wonder if you were doing honor to a cheat. A few years later, as I recall (I need to check my stacks of TFN) you were more subdued in reporting the Chinese women's incredible performances. They were, of course, even more off-the-charts than Ben Johnson's. If you truly believed they were legitmate you would have hailed them like the 2nd Coming (or 1st Coming, depending on your beliefs - see, I can joke too). Geoff Pietsch From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Re: Drug cheats aren't funny Garry. Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:19:46 EDT In a message dated Wed, 15 Aug 2001 1:00:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Geoff Pietsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: TFN is a great magazine, but it has a lousy record over-all where the drug issue is concerned. Paula Radcliffe never mentioned a conspiracy. That is Garry's straw man. Making jokes about the Illuminati and black helicopters is, sadly, the unsurprising response of the editor of the Bible of our sport when a brave athlete speaks out on the issue that is killing Track and Field. If it's killing track field (and I don't think it is), it's only because of the hysteria created by people unwilling to treat the subject in a rational way. We continue to try and convince the world that we're the dirtiest sport on the planet when we're one of the cleanest. Let's promote that side of things. Sorry, if you thought my conspiracy comment was a joke. It was meant as a legitimate literary construct, using hyperbole (see Swift's A Modest Proposal) to make a point. Perhaps this editor needs an editor. What I don't need is to be told that I should participate in the destruction of the sport by emphasizing the negative. gh _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
RE: t-and-f: Richard Chelimo, former 10,000m record holder, dead at 34
34 was the age reported in the wire service story according to the IAAF publication on the progression of world records, Chelimo's official date of birth was 21 Apr 1972, which means he would have been 29. of course, his true age may be neither of the above as some Kenyans and other East Africans often don't know their own birthdate and a convenient one is created for administrative convenience -Original Message- From: Uri Goldbourt, PhD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 4:00 AM To: Post, Marty Subject: RE: t-and-f: Richard Chelimo, former 10,000m record holder, dead at 34 Shocking news. However I doubt that Chelimo was 34 . He was 19 or 20 when he came second in the 1991 world champs. Only 10 years elapsed. UG -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Post, Marty Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 5:46 PM To: 't-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail) Subject: t-and-f: Richard Chelimo, former 10,000m record holder, dead at 34 from a brain tumor more at http://www.sportserver.com/track_field/story/62352p-897850c.html Marty Post Senior Editor Runner's World Magazine www.runnersworld.com
RE: t-and-f: Richard Chelimo, former 10,000m record holder, dead at34
They were half-brothers. Different fathers. On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Uri Goldbourt, PhD wrote: Also, Richard was the brother of Ismael Kirui, the 1993 (beating Gebresilassie in a courageous front run and a very early break) and 1995 5000m world champion. They had different family names, presumably because they were raised by different grandparents (?). UG - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Post, Marty Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 5:46 PM To: 't-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail) Subject: t-and-f: Richard Chelimo, former 10,000m record holder, dead at 34 from a brain tumor more at http://www.sportserver.com/track_field/story/62352p-897850c.html Marty Post Senior Editor Runner's World Magazine www.runnersworld.com *** Paul Talbot Department of Geography/ Institute of Behavioral Science University of Colorado, Boulder Boulder CO 80309-0260 (303) 492-3248 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: scheduling US nationals
Netters Recently I have been appointed to Chair the Site Selection Committee for racewalking. As such I have to review bids and try to recruit potential hosts. In the walks, often it is the host that selects the date. I don't know if that happens with the TF com. but it might have something to do with it. I will say this I don't think the Walkers would oppose a later Championship. Our world cup is now in October so a later start wouldn't be bad at all. With the lack of a major Championship next year there is no reason to not hjold it later. Mike
t-and-f: Grote where are you?
Half-way through August and no talk yet of the fall NCAA cross season. I'm starting to miss the good old days Paul
Re: t-and-f: Grote where are you?
Indeed...where have you gone Grote, a nation turns its lonely eyes to you. __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
t-and-f: Top 10 list: What's your best running song ever?
Hey Track List Pals: The Jennings as Hopper-Apocalypse Now thread has started me thinking about other things peripheral to running. Have you ever gone out for a run and gotten a song stuck in your head? I find that some songs lend themselves better than others to making it through a long run on a day when you would just as soon stay home and de-frost the freezer. I'd like to nominate Run Like Hell by Pink Floyd from the album The Wall as one of the best running songs ever. What do you all think. Kevin Galbraith Assistant Track Coach Long Beach State
t-and-f: USATF News Notes: August 17, 2001
Contact:Tom Surber Media Information Manager USA Track Field (317) 261-0500 x317 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org USATF NEWS NOTES Volume 2, Number 72August 17, 2001 Parkersburg hosts USA Half-Marathon Champs Many of America's finest long distance runners will compete at the 2001 USA Half-Marathon Championships Saturday in Parkersburg, West Virginia. The five fastest men and top three women's finishers will earn automatic berths on the USA team for the 10th IAAF World Half-Marathon Championships in Bristol, England on October 7. Top entries in the field include 2000 Olympic marathoner Rod DeHaven, who returns to defend his title against 2001 U.S. 25k champion Chad Johnson, Dan Browne, Mike Donnelly, Todd Reeser and Clint Verran. Women's entries include 2001 U.S. 25k champ Milena Glusac, Sylvia Mosqueda, Susannah Beck and Kim Pawelek. Last year, 2000 Olympians DeHaven and Libbie Hickman won the half-marathon titles in the U.S. course record times of 1:03:06 and 1:11:01. Hickman will not be on hand to defend her title because she is pregnant. This will mark the twelfth consecutive year that Parkersburg has hosted the USA Men's Championship and the fourth straight year of hosting the Women's Championship. We celebrate out 15th anniversary of the Parkersburg Half-Marathon and it should be one of the best ever, said Race Director Louie Haer. With out deepest U.S. fields ever and national titles up for grabs, we are looking forward to a very competitive and exciting race. A three-time USA Half-Marathon champion at Parkersburg, DeHaven, 34, from Madison, Wisc., knows the course very well and will be tough to beat. The 2000 U.S. Olympic Marathon Trials champ finished sixth at the Boston Marathon (2:12:14) in the best finish by an American male since 1994. A two-time USA Running Circuit Grand Prix Champion (1998 2000), DeHaven placed third at the Fifth Season 8k in 23:21. Women's favorite Sylvia Mosqueda, 35, of Los Angeles, pushed Libbie Hickman to a course record last year, and her second place performance of 1:11:20 was also better than the previous record. The 1988 NCAA 10,000m champion is currently tied for second in the USARC standings with Milena Glusac. The total prize purse equals $52,000, with the top-ten U.S. men and women competing for $36,950. The prize money breakdown for Americans is 1st-$6,000, 2nd-$4,000, 3rd-$3,000, 4th-$1,500, 5th-$1,200, 6th-$850, 7th-$700, 8th-$500, 9th-$400, and 10th-$325. The 15th annual Parkersburg Half-Marathon is also part of the Men and Women's USA Running Circuit (USARRC). The top-ten finishers will earn points for the Circuit. Highlights of the event will be aired on FOX Sports Net from 1:30-2:00 p.m. EST on Sunday, August 19; 9:30-10:00 a.m. on Saturday, August 25 and 10:30-11:00 a.m. on Sunday, August 26. Local coverage will appear on NBC affiliate WTAP-TV from 7:30-8:00 p.m. EST on Saturday, August 18, and re-broadcast on Sunday, August 19 from 6:00-6:30 p.m. It will also appear on Monday, August 20, from 7:00-7:30 p.m. EST. Chicago Marathon entries going fast The LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon is nearing its cap of 37,500 entries for this year's race on October 7. A record 30,000 registrations have already been received, and if you are interested in competing, you should register ASAP. For more information on registering, visit the event's Web site at: www.chicagomarathon.com/tierone/register/reg.html. # # #
Re: t-and-f: Top 10 list: What's your best running song ever?
Kevin asked: I'd like to nominate Run Like Hell by Pink Floyd from the album The Wall as one of the best running songs ever. What do you all think. I'm somewhat embarrassed to remember that Hungry Like a Wolf by Duran Duran was fixed on my mind while I was training for and running my PR marathon way back in 1983. Never liked the group, but those things happen. And I'll never forget that 24-hour relay way back in 1974, when Carly Simon's I Haven't Got Time for the Pain was on top of the charts. Since that was in the pre-boom-box days, we were pretty much subject to whatever the radio played, which meant we were drawing inspiration from Carly's lyrics about twice an hour throughout the night. (Sufferin' was the only thing made me feel I was alive) Back in my NJ college days, being in the Land of Bruce, Born to Run was always popular, although I was personally partial to Racing in the Streets. My long-time favorite though, although it occurs to me more on long bike rides than on runs, is Talking Head's We're on a Road to Nowhere. Phil
Re: t-and-f: Top 10 list: What's your best running song ever?
U2: Where the streets have no name We did a running video to this tune at a camp I once worked as a counselor. We had the campers running from the other side of the hill (racing actually) - a very long lens shot, heat waves, etc. The song opens with a very rythmic instrumental and as the runners crested the hill the lyrics began, I want to run... Very cool :-) Cheers, Buck -Original Message- From: Kevin Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Track List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, August 17, 2001 10:47 AM Subject: t-and-f: Top 10 list: What's your best running song ever? Hey Track List Pals: The Jennings as Hopper-Apocalypse Now thread has started me thinking about other things peripheral to running. Have you ever gone out for a run and gotten a song stuck in your head? I find that some songs lend themselves better than others to making it through a long run on a day when you would just as soon stay home and de-frost the freezer. I'd like to nominate Run Like Hell by Pink Floyd from the album The Wall as one of the best running songs ever. What do you all think. Kevin Galbraith Assistant Track Coach Long Beach State
Re: t-and-f: Top 10 list: What's your best running song ever?
Of course there is always The Lonliness of the Middle-Distance Runner by Belle and Sebastian. They played the sonf live for a long time, but never released it until there most recent single Jonathan David on which it is a B-side. -drew -- Andrew Eldredge-Martin RD 2 Box 359 Ulster, PA 18850 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 570-265-6406 On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Kevin Galbraith wrote: Hey Track List Pals: The Jennings as Hopper-Apocalypse Now thread has started me thinking about other things peripheral to running. Have you ever gone out for a run and gotten a song stuck in your head? I find that some songs lend themselves better than others to making it through a long run on a day when you would just as soon stay home and de-frost the freezer. I'd like to nominate Run Like Hell by Pink Floyd from the album The Wall as one of the best running songs ever. What do you all think. Kevin Galbraith Assistant Track Coach Long Beach State
t-and-f: Clarke denies using steroids
Sprinter denies knowingly taking banned steroid: TORONTO - Ten days after testing positive for a banned substance at the world track championships, Canadian sprinter Venolyn Clarke has denied doing anything wrong. I cannot at this time account for the finding of the test results, Clarke said during an emotional news conference. More...from the CBC at: http://cbc.ca/cgi-bin/templates/view.cgi?/news/2001/08/17/clarke_010817 and http://cbc.ca/cgi-bin/templates/sportsView.cgi?/news/2001/08/16/Sports/clark e010816 Ken Parker RunnersWeb.com A Running and Triathlon Resource Portal http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: Zurich live results
http://www.weltklasse.ch/ Kebba _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Re: t-and-f: Weltklasse TV
In a message dated 8/17/2001 7:18:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is Zurich still scheduled to be shown ... Aug 18 1:00-2:00 amESPN2Eastern time This is correct Walt Murphy would that be aug 18th at 1 am as in it is actually 1 am on aug 18th, or is it actually being shown the19th at 1 am? ie do i have to stay up late the night of the 17th or the night of the 18th? dan
t-and-f: best times for place, women's 3000 meters
at Zurich today, behind Yegorova's 8:23.26, new best times for place, women's 3000 meters (discounting '93 Chinese National Games): 2nd - 8:24.19, Szabo 3rd - 8:25.62, Berhane Adere Marty Post Senior Editor Runner's World Magazine www.runnersworld.com
Re: t-and-f: Weltklasse TV
it's on at 1am rthis evening.. think of it as late friday night. Kebba From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Weltklasse TV Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 14:51:24 EDT In a message dated 8/17/2001 7:18:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is Zurich still scheduled to be shown ... Aug 18 1:00-2:00 amESPN2Eastern time This is correct Walt Murphy would that be aug 18th at 1 am as in it is actually 1 am on aug 18th, or is it actually being shown the19th at 1 am? ie do i have to stay up late the night of the 17th or the night of the 18th? dan _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Re: t-and-f: Top 10 list: What's your best running song ever?
In a message dated Fri, 17 Aug 2001 1:12:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Kevin Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd like to nominate Run Like Hell by Pink Floyd from the album The Wall as one of the best running songs ever. What do you all think. Aaron Copeland's Fanfare For The Common Man. Huh? OK, that or any other memorable chunk of fanfare that has stuck in your head after an Olympic telecast and you imagine yourself on the podium. Can't beat that! gh (of course, the last time i ran, Copeland hadn't learned even to read music yet)
Re: t-and-f: Zurich live results
http://www.steeple.de/results01/gl-zuerich01.html saves you a lot of mouseclicks and is almost LIVE too. Best so far: Very impressive 7.58 by Boulami on 3000 steeple, beating all of the Kenyans. Erik - Original Message - From: Kebba Tolbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 8:40 PM Subject: t-and-f: Zurich live results http://www.weltklasse.ch/ Kebba _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
t-and-f: chinese women
Why haven't the performances of the Chinese women been duplicated yet? Of course they were on drugs, but so are plenty of women now (or maybe not). I mean, they obliterated the record books. An epo'd Yegorova is still 20 seconds back in the 3k (no disrespect to those who think she is innocent). I mean, there must have been more to their times than just drugs, no? I swear to God, maybe, like Mt Sac, the tracks in Beijing and Shanghai are short. Maybe Junxia Wang ran a lap short for her 10k record? M _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Re: t-and-f: Top 10 list: What's your best running song ever?
And of course there's always their Stars of Track and Field, with its chorus of stars of track and field are beautiful people. -paul On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Andrew Eldredge-Martin wrote: Of course there is always The Lonliness of the Middle-Distance Runner by Belle and Sebastian. They played the sonf live for a long time, but never released it until there most recent single Jonathan David on which it is a B-side. -drew -- Andrew Eldredge-Martin RD 2 Box 359 Ulster, PA 18850 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 570-265-6406 On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Kevin Galbraith wrote: Hey Track List Pals: The Jennings as Hopper-Apocalypse Now thread has started me thinking about other things peripheral to running. Have you ever gone out for a run and gotten a song stuck in your head? I find that some songs lend themselves better than others to making it through a long run on a day when you would just as soon stay home and de-frost the freezer. I'd like to nominate Run Like Hell by Pink Floyd from the album The Wall as one of the best running songs ever. What do you all think. Kevin Galbraith Assistant Track Coach Long Beach State
Re: t-and-f: chinese women
Michael Contopoulos wrote: I swear to God, maybe, like Mt Sac, the tracks in Beijing and Shanghai are short. The track at Mt. Sac is NOT short. At least it isn't if it actually measures the dimensions for which I did the calculations. It is actually 0.052 m long. COMPUTOMARX (TM) TRACK MARKING PROGRAM VERSION 9.20 COPYRIGHT 1975 - 1997 BY COMPUTOMARX (TM) 3604 GRANT CT. COLUMBIA MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 ALL RIGHTS RESERVED Mt. San Antonio College CALCULATIONS FOR 400 METER TRACK LINEAR OUTPUT IN METERS CURB PRESENT COUNTER-CLOCKWISE ANGLE MEASUREMENT NUMBER OF LANES: 9 LENGTH OF STRAIGHT: 99.445 MEASURE LINE RADIUS: 32.016 WIDTH OF LANES: 1.120 DISTANCE OF FINISH FROM CURVE: .000 -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx™ 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated... - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
t-and-f: MO and JD
Does anyone know the injury status of Maurice Greene and/or Jon Drummond ?? How severe are their injuries and will either be back on the circuit this season ?? Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: Said-Sief - tested positive in edmonton
Listening to the BBC radio broadcast from Zurich where it was stated that Said-Sief tested positive in Edmonton and will relinquish medal . Can anyone confirm if this is true!!! Jim McLatchie
Re: t-and-f: chinese women
If the training reports were anywhere close to correct, no one has trained anywhere near as hard as they did either. Certainly the drugs allow for greater trainging, but I also suspect that few, if any, women have even tried to train with the volume or intensity that they did. How many people (men included) have the mental toughness to do 20-mile hard runs on the track, hitting specific 400m splits the whole way? And then workout again in the afternoon... It could be that the Chinese runners we saw where the few who could survive and respond to the training. But then again, no one thought 800m guys could run weekly 22-milers over hilly terrain at a hard effort either before Lydiard and Snell came along. BTW, should not the Chinese National Games have been this year or are they next year? Since those are more improtant than the Olympics to the Chinese we should see another round of incredible times. Paul On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Michael Contopoulos wrote: Why haven't the performances of the Chinese women been duplicated yet? Of course they were on drugs, but so are plenty of women now (or maybe not). I mean, they obliterated the record books. An epo'd Yegorova is still 20 seconds back in the 3k (no disrespect to those who think she is innocent). I mean, there must have been more to their times than just drugs, no? I swear to God, maybe, like Mt Sac, the tracks in Beijing and Shanghai are short. Maybe Junxia Wang ran a lap short for her 10k record? M _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp *** Paul Talbot Department of Geography/ Institute of Behavioral Science University of Colorado, Boulder Boulder CO 80309-0260 (303) 492-3248 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: MO and JD
In a message dated Fri, 17 Aug 2001 4:56:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Conway [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone know the injury status of Maurice Greene and/or Jon Drummond ?? How severe are their injuries and will either be back on the circuit this season ?? Emanuel Hudson told me in Edmonton that they HOPED to see Mo run again in Brussels. Certainly not before that, and no guarantee of that. gh (that was prior to Drummond injury)
Re: t-and-f: chinese women
HAHA... sorry about that... its a little joke that my friends and I have over here on the East Coast. After all, what else could be the reason for all those fast times there every year? (We don't REALLY think the track is short!) M From: Wayne T. Armbrust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Wayne T. Armbrust [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: chinese women Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:39:12 -0500 Michael Contopoulos wrote: I swear to God, maybe, like Mt Sac, the tracks in Beijing and Shanghai are short. The track at Mt. Sac is NOT short. At least it isn't if it actually measures the dimensions for which I did the calculations. It is actually 0.052 m long. COMPUTOMARX (TM) TRACK MARKING PROGRAM VERSION 9.20 COPYRIGHT 1975 - 1997 BY COMPUTOMARX (TM) 3604 GRANT CT. COLUMBIA MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 ALL RIGHTS RESERVED Mt. San Antonio College CALCULATIONS FOR 400 METER TRACK LINEAR OUTPUT IN METERS CURB PRESENT COUNTER-CLOCKWISE ANGLE MEASUREMENT NUMBER OF LANES: 9 LENGTH OF STRAIGHT: 99.445 MEASURE LINE RADIUS: 32.016 WIDTH OF LANES: 1.120 DISTANCE OF FINISH FROM CURVE: .000 -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx™ 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated... - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000) _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
t-and-f: World 5000m Silver Medalist Tests Positive
From: Derek Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Derek Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: TF Edmonton medalist fails drugs test Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:52:44 -0600 Friday, 17 August, 2001, 19:45 GMT 20:45 UK World and Olympic 5000m silver medalist Ali Saidi-Sief has tested positive for the banned steroid nandrolone. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/hi/english/athletics/newsid_1497000/1497143.stm _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
t-and-f: Richard Chelimo - Former 10,000m record holder dies at 29
The Irish Times Friday, August 17, 2001 Kenya's former 10,000 metres world record holder Richard Chelimo has died, aged 29, reports said today. Chelimo died at the Moi University Teaching Hospital at the Rift Valley town of Eldoret on Wednesday soon after he was re-admitted only hours earlier, the reports said. Sources close to the family said Chelimo had been suffering from a brain tumour, and had been admitted to hospital on several occasions. Born in 1972, Chelimo burst into the athletics seen in 1990 when he won the world junior 10,000 metres crown and followed the feat with a world junior cross-country title the same year. In 1991, he won the 10,000 metres silver medal in the world athletics championships in Tokyo, Japan, behind compatriot Moses Tanui. In 1992, he set the 10,000 metres world record in Stockholm, which was broken a week later by another compatriot Yobes Ondieki in Germany. He later also won a controversial 10,000 metres silver medal at the 1992 Barcelona Olympic Games, behind Morocco's Khalid Skah. He leaves behind a widow and four children. Eamonn Condon www.RunnersGoal.com
Re: t-and-f: chinese women
Chinese national games are this year, and they are usually held in Sept. Stay tuned. Oleg If the training reports were anywhere close to correct, no one has trained anywhere near as hard as they did either. Certainly the drugs allow for greater trainging, but I also suspect that few, if any, women have even tried to train with the volume or intensity that they did. How many people (men included) have the mental toughness to do 20-mile hard runs on the track, hitting specific 400m splits the whole way? And then workout again in the afternoon... It could be that the Chinese runners we saw where the few who could survive and respond to the training. But then again, no one thought 800m guys could run weekly 22-milers over hilly terrain at a hard effort either before Lydiard and Snell came along. BTW, should not the Chinese National Games have been this year or are they next year? Since those are more improtant than the Olympics to the Chinese we should see another round of incredible times. Paul On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Michael Contopoulos wrote: Why haven't the performances of the Chinese women been duplicated yet? Of course they were on drugs, but so are plenty of women now (or maybe not). I mean, they obliterated the record books. An epo'd Yegorova is still 20 seconds back in the 3k (no disrespect to those who think she is innocent). I mean, there must have been more to their times than just drugs, no? I swear to God, maybe, like Mt Sac, the tracks in Beijing and Shanghai are short. Maybe Junxia Wang ran a lap short for her 10k record? M _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp *** Paul Talbot Department of Geography/ Institute of Behavioral Science University of Colorado, Boulder Boulder CO 80309-0260 (303) 492-3248 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: Said-Sief failed test was Zurich 1500m
I assume that this is now old news. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/hi/english/athletics/newsid_1497000/1497143.stm Regards, Martin Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:46:00 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Zurich 1500m The start lists are up, and El Guerrouj is running the 1500, but there's no sign of Said-Sief, either in the 1500 or the 5000. Walt Murphy
t-and-f: Italian marathon runner fails dope test
The Irish Times Friday, August 17, 2001 Italian marathon runner Roberto Barbi has failed a dope test and been immediately suspended by his federation, the Italian athletics federation said today. Barbi, a recent participant at the World Athletics Championships in Edmonton, underwent tests on urine and blood samples prior to the Canadian showpiece on July 30th. He competed in the marathon, coming 60th in a time of 2hr 35min 55sec. The Italian federation have refused to say which drug was found in Barbi's 'A' sample, although Italian press agency ANSA have reported that it could concern endurance-enhancer erythropoietin (EPO). An analysis of his 'B' sample will be made in the near future although no date has been fixed. Barbi becomes the second Italian in a matter of days to hit the headlines for failing a dope test. On Wednesday it was reported that Italian 800m runner Andrea Longo failed a dope test, for the banned steroid nandrolone. The 26-year-old policeman, a medal hope at the Worlds before withdrawing with a foot injury, returned a non-negative result after being tested at a meeting in Turin on June 9th. Italian athletics authorities notified world governing body IAAF of the result on August 3rd. Results from further tests on the athlete's 'B sample' will be known in September. Eamonn Condon www.RunnersGoal.com
t-and-f: USATF Release: Jones defeats Pintusevich-Block in Zurich
Contact:Tom Surber Media Information Manager USA Track Field (317) 261-0500 x317 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Friday, August 17, 2001 Jones defeats Pintusevich-Block in Zurich INDIANAPOLIS - Five-time Olympic medalist Marion Jones got back on the winning track in the 100 meters Friday at the Weltklasse Golden League Meet in Zurich, defeating 2001 world champion Zhanna Pintusevich-Block of the Ukraine with a time of 10.94 seconds. Pintusevich-Block finished fourth in 11.16, with Chandra Sturrup of the Bahamas second in 10.99. Ekaterini Thanou of Greece, who captured the bronze medal in Edmonton, was third in 11.08. U.S. 4x100m relay gold medalists Chryste Gaines (11.18) and Kelli White (11.37) were fifth and eighth respectively. A -1 meters-per-second headwind slowed the field. In other results from Zurich, American high hurdlers dominated the world's best by sweeping both events. In the men's 110-meter hurdles, 2001 world champion Allen Johnson won the competition in 13.18 seconds (0 mps), defeating his training partner and 2000 Olympic silver medalist Terrence Trammell (13.23). Larry Wade was third in 13.24, with two-time Olympic medalist Mark Crear tied for eighth in 13.46. Dawane Wallace captured the 110m hurdles Race 2 in 13.22. With their wins today, Jones and Johnson each have four Golden League victories and need one more win to qualify for a share of the 50kg of gold at the end of the series. In winning the women's 1,500m Friday in Zurich, Romanian Violeta Szekely captured her fifth Golden League victory this season and became the first athlete to claim a share of the grand prize. In the women's 100m hurdles, 2001 World Championships silver medalist Gail Devers hit the finish line first in 12.53 (-1.2 mps), with Edmonton gold medalist Anjanette Kirkland second in 12.64. Jenny Adams, who placed fifth in Edmonton, was third in 12.78. Additional U.S women's performances included Tonja Buford Bailey (3rd-54.45) and Sandra Glover (7th-55.09) in the 400m hurdles. Sarah Schwald was ninth in the 1,500m in 4:05.57. Edmonton 100m silver medalist and 4x100m relay gold medalist Tim Montgomery picked up a win in his specialty, easily beating a quality field in 9.90 (+0.2 mps). Great Britain's Dwain Chambers was the runner-up in 10.09. In the men's 200 meters, Edmonton 100 meter bronze medalist and 400-meter relay gold medalist Bernard Williams won the event in 20.19 (-1.1 mps). 2001 World Indoor champ Shawn Crawford was fourth (20.30) and 1997 World Indoor gold medalist Kevin Little was sixth (20.44). 2000 Olympic champ and Edmonton 4x400m relay gold medalist Angelo Taylor was second in the 400m hurdles in 48.21. 2001 world champ Felix Sanchez of the Dominican Republic won the event in 47.38. In field event competition, 1999 U.S. Outdoor champ Kevin Dilworth captured the long jump with a leap of 8.16 meters/26 feet, 9.25 inches. Edmonton silver medalist Savante Stringfellow was third (8.13/26-8.25). In the pole vault, U.S. record holder Jeff Hartwig captured the event with a clearance of 5.85/19-2.50, with 2000 Olympic gold medalist and 2001 World Championships bronze medalist Nick Hysong finishing fifth and Tim Mack eighth. Both cleared 5.70/18-8.50. Edmonton fifth-place finisher Adam Setliff was sixth in the discus with a best of 65.16/213-9. After finishing fourth in Edmonton, Breaux Greer had no mark in the javelin competition. For more information on the Weltklasse in Zurich, including the complete results, visit the IAAF Web site at www.iaaf.org. # # #
Re: t-and-f: Top 10 list: What's your best running song ever?
Back in the early 90's when the 24 hr relays were chopped to only 12, we played Smokin by Boston, Tom Sawyer by Rush, This is it by Kenny Loggins the Happy Trails remake by Van Halen. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 2:06 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Top 10 list: What's your best running song ever? Kevin asked: I'd like to nominate Run Like Hell by Pink Floyd from the album The Wall as one of the best running songs ever. What do you all think. I'm somewhat embarrassed to remember that Hungry Like a Wolf by Duran Duran was fixed on my mind while I was training for and running my PR marathon way back in 1983. Never liked the group, but those things happen. And I'll never forget that 24-hour relay way back in 1974, when Carly Simon's I Haven't Got Time for the Pain was on top of the charts. Since that was in the pre-boom-box days, we were pretty much subject to whatever the radio played, which meant we were drawing inspiration from Carly's lyrics about twice an hour throughout the night. (Sufferin' was the only thing made me feel I was alive) Back in my NJ college days, being in the Land of Bruce, Born to Run was always popular, although I was personally partial to Racing in the Streets. My long-time favorite though, although it occurs to me more on long bike rides than on runs, is Talking Head's We're on a Road to Nowhere. Phil
Re: t-and-f: chinese women
On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Michael Contopoulos wrote: Why haven't the performances of the Chinese women been duplicated yet? Of course they were on drugs, but so are plenty of women now (or maybe not). Paul Talbot replied, If the training reports were anywhere close to correct, no one has trained anywhere near as hard as they did either. Certainly the drugs allow for greater trainging, but I also suspect that few, if any, women have even tried to train with the volume or intensity that they did. How many people (men included) have the mental toughness to do 20-mile hard runs on the track, hitting specific 400m splits the whole way? And then workout again in the afternoon... I'm reminded of the reports of the training regimen of the Japanese who won the first-ever women's Olympic volleyball gold at Tokyo in 1964. I hope that David Wallechinsky wouldn't mind my quoting briefly from his account in The Complete Book of the Summer Olympics, especially if I note that his book is one of my best resources for data on Olympic track and field competition: Ten of the members of the Japanese team came from the Nichibo spinning mill, near Osaka. Their coach . . . Daiimatsu was famous for his draconian methods: hitting the young women on the head, kicking them on their hips, insulting them, goading them, making them practice a minimum of six hours a day, seven days a week, 51 weeks a year. I'm pretty sure that if athletes have that much dedication to their sport, you wouldn't have to invoke the suspicion of drugs to explain their success. Mo's Army apparently endured something of the sort. Cheers, Roger
Re: t-and-f: Grote where are you?
Thanks for caring everybody. Its a busy time of year, x-c season starting means busy business. Plus, don't forget that I'm married and own a home. And I run sometimes, too. That said, there will be a GROTE POLL 2001, oh yes there will. The Wife and I are roadtripping to Greenville, SC, for nationals, as well and bringing a few friends with us. Trip is actually booked. We are there. The Grote Poll may be posted on the letsrun.com website. Any other takers, let me know, collegerunning.com or whatever. As we all know, the coaches poll sucks, as does Stanford. And the Red Sox. And the Nets, but I love them anyway...even with Todd MacCulloch who'll break a leg soon enough to not be a salary cap burden. Anyway, this is the 2nd time I've checked email since Saturday, don't even know full worlds results yet, so haven't done too much Grote Poll work yet, so any good tips would be appreciated. I hope to have a Grote Poll 2001 Preview out around the first week of September. Couple hints to keep you riveted: -Kimani really did run 13:10, didn't he? -Arkansas has won 3 straight, they gotta be #1, even if Todd Day and Scott Thurman have come back to school following botched NBA moves, and are running in the Hogs top 5. -Grape Crush -Bigtime in the Big East Grote adiRP/MMRD - Original Message - From: P.F.Talbot [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Track list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:37 PM Subject: t-and-f: Grote where are you? Half-way through August and no talk yet of the fall NCAA cross season. I'm starting to miss the good old days Paul
t-and-f: Now what's she saving for?
In Edmonton, Suzy F-H said she was saving herself for Zurich. Tonight, she (as well as Regina Jacobs) were no-shows. What's she saving herself for now? Jim Gerweck Running Times
t-and-f: More jeers for Yegorova
The Electronic Telegraph Saturday 18 August 2001 Tom Knight OLGA Yegorova ran into a chorus of boos at the Weltklasse Golden League meeting here last night after winning the 3,000 metres with the fastest time in the world for seven years. The reaction from the packed stands of the Stadion Letzigrund matched that offered last week by the crowd in the Commonwealth Stadium in Edmonton, where the controversial Russian was forced to flee the track in tears after winning the world 5,000m title. Omitted from the opening presentation to 17 of the top athletes taking part in this meeting, Yegorova triumphed with her customary kick with 200 metres to go. She crossed the line in 8min 23.26sec to a barrage of boos and whistles while Romania's Gaby Szabo, who clocked a Romanian record in chasing her to the line, was greeted with rapturous applause. Britain's Paula Radcliffe, who led the athletes' protest against Yegorova's presence in Edmonton with her banner declaring EPO Cheats Out during the Russian's heat, finished fifth. Radcliffe said: This was a nonsense, but what do you do? I made my protest in Edmonton but a stadium isn't necessarily the place for that. My protest there was symbolic. Yegorova, the first athlete to test positive for the blood-boosting drug erythropoetin, after last month's Paris Golden League meeting, was reinstated to run in Edmonton because the test was declared invalid. Radcliffe next plans to take her concerns over EPO to the International Olympic Committee and to Lamine Diack, the president of the International Association of Athletics Federations, whose reinstatement of Yegorova caused so much controversy. The IAAF went some way to rectifying the blunder over Yegorova by including her among the 50 athletes who were asked to provide blood and urine samples in the days prior to the World Championships. The urine samples of seven were sent for further analysis to the IOC-accredited laboratory in Lausanne. Only one confirmed the presence of EPO and it was not Yegorova's. It emerged yesterday that the sample belonged to Roberto Barbi, of Italy, who went on to finish 60th in the marathon at Edmonton. Meanwhile, Ali Saidi-Sief, the world and Olympic silver medallist in the 5,000m, tested positive for the banned anabolic steroid, nandrolone, during the World Championships, the Algerian athletics federation announced last night. Barbi has been suspended by Fidal, the Italian federation, pending further tests. The Italians have also suspended the 800m runner, Andrea Longo, who tested positive for nandrolone at a meeting in Turin on June 9. The positives led Roberto Frinolli, Fidal's technical director, to echo Radcliffe's call for more random tests to curb what he deemed to have become a growing problem. Violeta Szekely, the Romanian beaten to the 1500m gold medal by Szabo in Edmonton, came to Zurich as one of 14 athletes eligible for the IAAF's jackpot of 50 kilos of gold for winning at five of the seven Golden League series. Victory last night ensured she will have first claim on the gold. Radcliffe, meanwhile, is among the top British athletes and a host of world champions from Edmonton who can look forward to competing in front of a full house in the Norwich Union Classic at the International Stadium in Gateshead. Eamonn Condon www.RunnersGoal.com
Re: t-and-f: RE: built like tanks
Women by enlarge lack the upper body strength and so they work the upper body and lower...look at Divers she can brnch 300lb.( sprinter) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of built like tanks- I've noticed the trend for some time, but at Edmonton it was particularly distinct when I compared the physiques of women 800 meter runners to men 800 meter runners. You guessed it- the women are SIGNIFICANTLY more 'buffed' than the men, for the same event. A bunch of muscle women. Graf and Mutola are typical. So why do women feel it necessary to bulk up for a middle distance race, and the men don't? Do women need it to offset a lower center of gravity than the men? I'm confused. If men 800 meter runners undertook the endeavour to get to the same relative upper body muscle proportions as the women, would it help or hinder their race times? RT
t-and-f: Mickey Grimes
I am reposting part of a memo I wrote earlier. I'm thinking maybe many of you skipped over it due to it being part of a combination of things. Maybe somebody out there has some idea as to how this occurred? Mickey Grimes might be the luckiest sprinter ever to run for the US. Here he is leading off the 4 x 100 final after finishing 6th in the SEMI'S at nationals with a windy 10.25. This has to be the slowest sprinter the US has put on a relay in eons. Just think of all the sprinters who have made the finals during the trials and never got to run the relay. How many injuries had to occur before he got his chance? How did Mickey get on this team? He basically was 12th man on the roster after the nationals and ended up as number 4. Did 8 guys really get hurt between nationals and the WC's. I guess I find this intriguing. Does anyone else? I have to congratulate Mickey for a job well done but have to admit I was surprised to see his name there. phil weishaar chapman kansas
RE: t-and-f: Now what's she saving for?
I have heard that she was busy either performing brain surgery or lecturing at a nuclear physics symposium. Bob Bettwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Director - Program Control Washington Group SRS Technologies (703) 351-7266 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 21:41:47 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Now what's she saving for? In Edmonton, Suzy F-H said she was saving herself for Zurich. Tonight, she (as well as Regina Jacobs) were no-shows. What's she saving herself for now? Jim Gerweck Running Times
t-and-f: Top 10 list: What's your best running song ever?
Just sent in HTML format in error. Apologies if you are getting twice. It should have got bounced. Buck, You underestimate the song. IMHO, that is the best intro to the best song of the best rock album by the best group ever made, period. It transcends running but if you insist, the lyrics go on to say: I wanna run, I want to hide I wanna tear down the walls That hold me inside. I wanna reach out And touch the flame Where the streets have no name Several running references. You have to touch the flame once in a while, for example, if you want to excel. Regards, Martin Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 14:15:26 -0700 From: Buck Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Top 10 list: What's your best running song ever? U2: Where the streets have no name We did a running video to this tune at a camp I once worked as a counselor. We had the campers running from the other side of the hill (racing actually) - a very long lens shot, heat waves, etc. The song opens with a very rythmic instrumental and as the runners crested the hill the lyrics began, I want to run... Very cool :-) Cheers, Buck
