Re: [Talk-transit] Bus stop map
Christoph Böhme wrote: Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net schrieb: It was partly because I struggled with NOVAM that I knocked up this overlay. I couldn't reconcile the NOVAM rules with the stops I have checked As Thomas already said the rules were based on the tagging scheme from the Birmingham import. They were also devised with the idea of implementing a web-based bus-stops merging tool. However this idea has been dropped as it is very easy to merge bus stops within josm. I discussed a change of the colour scheme with Peter Miller a couple of weeks ago on the West Midlands list: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb-westmidlands/2009-September/000342.html At the moment I am moving to a new server and do not have time to do any changes on NOVAM. But I plan to implement new rules in October. It would be interesting to know which rules you used for your overlay. There are 5 possible outcomes: * No highway=bus_stop, but there is a naptan:AtcoCode = naptan that is not on the ground (green bus with X over it) * highway=bus_stop and naptan:verified=no = not yet checked (red bus) * highway=bus_stop and no naptan:AtcoCode = real stop not in naptan (blue bus) * highway=bus_stop and naptan:verified != no and note=* = stop checked with a problem, such as bearing wrong (cyan bus) * highway=bus_stop and naptan:verified != no and no note = stop checked and OK (green bus) This suits the data I have and the way I want to use it, i.e. find stops to check then show others the stops that don't match their NaPTAN data for whatever reason. ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Bus stop map
I've been working on a set of GroundTruth rules to do something similar, but at the moment I only have 3 classes (OSM, NAPTAN and merged). If I can find rules which work I'll extend this according to Chris's colour scheme. At the moment I have it as a transparent overlay, but my icons are too small, and its too difficult to pick them out on the display of my Garmin: so I think I'll add the road system with the minimum of fancy display. Also my initial attempt was too ambitious the XAPI download of bus stops for the UK is now rather large! Any one interested I can post my provisional GroundTruth rules on the wiki. Jerry Clough ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
[Talk-transit] East Lothian Bus Stops lack any details on the ground
On 23 Sep 2009, at 19:32, Shaun McDonald wrote: Hi, Yesterday I was out checking a few bus stops in East Lothian (cycling from Musselburgh out along the coast to North Berwick). Pretty much all of them had no information other than a flag which said that buses stop here and that you are in East Lothian. There was one that had a timetable where there were 4 buses per day to the regional hospital in Edinburgh. Most of the bus stops did have a space for a timetable but there was nothing in there about it. Is this normal for more rural stops? Is it any wonder hardly any one uses the bus in the area when they have no idea of where they go? (Well that's probably diverging from the point). Yes, the level of information provision is very variable across the county - the nearest stop to my house has information dated August 2005! Possibly we should use FixMyStreet to report these to the authorities? I have been adding 'tabletable_case=yes' to indicate that there is somewhere to put timetable information, but I have not been indicating whether there is any information in it. Regards, Peter Taken a photos of a few in Edinburgh, will need to see how they marry up with the Naptan data as there is some references on the flag and the timetable signs. http://www.trackmyjourney.co.uk/track/t4xzYTfZ7tj94 Shaun___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-us-bayarea] [Talk-us] U.S. Local Chapters
Sounds good, I think that we have to have a board in order to incorporate. That will need to be done when we file we register the non-profit corporation. Also we should probably look into where we want to register. Kate Chapman (via GPS...I mean iPhone) On Sep 18, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Sarah Manley sarah.m.man...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, Looks like we are getting off to a good start. We have 15 folks on the wiki, and need 20 to start our the chapter. So please spread the word. I think it might be helpful for us to break into committees, so to handle different aspects of forming, managing and advocating for the chapter. Thoughts? It may be best for us to self identify on the wiki with what committee we would like to be on, as well as if we have services that could be of help (ie lawyer, accountant, experience in forming a non-profit etc). If we plan to have an advisory board, we may also want to create a section where people can make proposals. From there we can work on drafting and adopting the draft rules, as well as decide on when and where to incorporate. If its helpful, we may want to set a time for a conference call to iron out some of the details. Best, Sarah On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Sarah Manley sarah.m.man...@gmail.com wrote: As listed by Kate in her second email (and being built out on the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States ) A local chapter will do more advocacy within their own nation. In the US, if incorporated as a non-profit, the chapter would be able to accept donations without having to pay taxes on them (and provide a tax write off to those who donate to us), be eligible for public and private grants, act as a separate legal entity that owns all data/material donated (which often makes government bodies more willing to share). I know that the OSMF can to that in the UK now, but I have the feeling the US companies/governments would be more comfortable in supporting the project if it had US legal status. (esp if its map data collected with US tax payer money). I think if we want to the US mapper community to grow, this is a way to help as well as formalize the presence here. The cons- more paperwork, money and time. On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 1:03 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Playing devils advocate a bit - what will the chapter do that we can't or aren't already? Does the aura of having an incorporated body somehow change everything? It certainly didn't with the OSMF, it was more that we needed a body to hold independent control of things like the domain names. On 15 Sep 2009, at 19:32, Kate Chapman wrote: Hi all, I've heard various talk going on about local chapters in various places. I did a quick archive search but didn't find that much information regarding U.S. chapters. There seems to be people interested, but perhaps working separately. Let me preface the rest of my email with the statement that I'm not a lawyer, but a geonerd. I have helped establish a non-profit in the U.S. that obtained tax-exempt status and I can speak with regards to that experience though. For the group I worked with we already were operating as an L.L.C. at the time and moved to incorporate in D.C. In order to incorporate we had to pay a small fee (roughly 100 dollars), have a registered agent in the District and have articles of incorporation. The tax-exempt status was far more work and involved proof of events we had (in this particular case it was flyers), tax records as well as filling out a 27 page IRS form. If I understand things correctly a U.S. Local Chapter could do the same thing, but we might need to file paperwork with each state we are active in (not totally sure about this, does anyone else have a better idea?). What are people's thoughts about local chapters or having 1 large U.S. chapter? I can see benefits to both sides. Advantages: - I think easily enough possible members - Pooling of resources, one set of paper work Disadvantages: -Spread out, most work would be remote (maybe not a disadvantage) -Where would we be incorporated? Thoughts? I've seen in various places such as the wiki a well as talking to people that there is interest in some sort of U.S. based chapter, but exactly how has to be worked out. Thanks, Kate Chapman ___ Talk-us mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us-bayarea mailing list Talk-us-bayarea@openstreetmap.org
Re: [Talk-hr] Novi renderer - http://www.mapsurfer.net/
Mislim da je u pitanju samo stvar stila. Na http://maps.cloudmade.com/# mozes pogledati OSM podatke rendane sa razlicitim stilovima (pogledaj pod Change style). Jedino sto jos nisam probao mapnikov BuildingSymbolizer koji isto renda pseudo 3d objekte pa ne mogu reci koji to bolje radi. Znam da mapnik u BuildingSymbolizer ima fill-opacity parametar tako da ne vidim prednost Mapsurfera. Uz to ne vidim da pise da je slobodan software i ne znam sto bih s njim. 2009/9/22 Marjan Vrban mvr...@gmail.com: Evo izašo novi renderer i izgleda obećavajuće, meni osobno izgleda bolje nego Mapink i Osmarender. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MapSurfer.Net ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
Re: [Talk-hr] zagreb
2009/9/20 nixa nikola.kapralje...@gmail.com: Odakle se Zagreb pojavio na karti? Vidim da je dosta toga ucrtano, ali lose. Ceste nisu spojene i tako, nema naziva ulica, ulice uopce ne prate gpx trackove nego su precrtane s neceg, a nije evidentirano iz cega. Dajte neki info. Umh ovako. Malo povijesti :) Zagreb je do 10 mjeseca 2008 izgledao katastrofalno.. uvjerljivo najgore i najmanje izmapiran glavni grad u europi. Osim sto je bilo jako malo podataka podaci su bili u katastrofalnom stanju.(npr. Horvacanska je bila ucrtana 8 puta vjerovatno nekim automatskim uploadom GPS traceova, bilo je na tisuce netagiranih tocaka, vjerujem zbog istog postupka, klasifikacija ulica je bila kriva i nekonzistentna, itd...da ne gnjavim) . Mislim da je bilo 3-4 (polu)aktivna urednika koji su uglavnom sredjivali centar grada, i onda su se pojavile yahoo satelitske snimke za podrucje dijela zagreba. 2007 na RazmjeniVjestina smo pokusali malo ozivjeti OSM Zagreb ali Bezuspjesno (irc log http://mjesec.ffzg.hr:8000/?date=2007-12-10) . 2008 Robert i ja smo pokusavali sazvati urednike na sastanak na kojem bi se upoznali i pokusali dogovoriti neke stvari o standardima i nitko od ljudi nam se nije javio (pardon Robiju se javio Kost nakon dva mjeseca i rekao da nije skuzio mail). Uglavnom nas par se naslo na Razmjeni vjestina (koliko se sjecam Robert, Aco.. mislim i Dodo) i dogovorili da idemo malo srediti Zagreb a izmedju ostalog nacelno smo se slozili da idemo na unos preko yahoo satelitskih snimaka bez obzira da li poznajemo ili ne poznajemo taj dio grada. Racunali smo na to da ce ljudima koji ce se naknadno ukljucivati biti lakse srediti postojece podatke nego unositi sve, a racunali smo i na efekt Vidi kretena koji je unosio, pa ova ulica se nije spojena sa ovom... ovo treba popraviti. 2009 Tad je malo krenulo.. i poslije NSND u Moravicama ukljucilo se par razmjenjivaca.. napravili smo onu google grupu openstreetmap-hr i sad smo tu ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
Re: [Talk-hr] zagreb
2009/9/21 Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com: On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:53:05 +0200, nixa wrote: Odakle se Zagreb pojavio na karti? Vidim da je dosta toga ucrtano, ali lose. Ceste nisu spojene i tako, nema naziva ulica, ulice uopce ne prate gpx trackove nego su precrtane s neceg, a nije evidentirano iz cega. Ako vidis da cesta nije spojena, lijepo pogledaj tko je autor, posalji mu uljudnu poruku da su uocio njegovu gresku te da bi ih on kao autor trebao i ispraviti. Ako netko ponavlja greske onda ga treba upoznati sa tom pogreskom, no ne treba obavjestavati covjeka koji je nesto krivo unio da to ispravi. Ipak je ovo WIKI! Nije stvar da ti ne mozes, vec ako je tu pogrijesio vjerovatno je i drugdje, a on bolje zna sto je sve mapirao i gdje je mozda jos pogrijesio. Svi mi grijesimo, nije to nista cudno, i mene su par puta upozorili na neke greske, pa sam nakon toga pazljivije radio. Valent. -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
Re: [talk-ph] [OSM-talk] intent to vandalize
But, I'll sure be watching my area if he/she appears in my rss. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:52 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/23 maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fake%20Liam123/diary/8007#comments That account hasn't made any edits... -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [OSM-talk-be] 2e Antwerps OSM cafe
Hallo, ik vrees dat ik nog niet echt gemapped heb. Verscheidene redenen daarvoor: - veel te druk op het werk en met mijn huis te verbouwen. - te weinig inzicht hoe het mappen juist in zijn werk gaat. Is er op die dag tijd om een uitleg te geven hoe je best routes invoert? Hopelijk krijg ik daardoor dan een vliegende start ;-) Met deftige uitleg zou ik die dag gerust de coté van Merksem kunnen doen. Ik heb er 6 jaar gewoond, dus dat is me wel bekend! Nu nog zorgen dat ik de 25e vrij ben... Chris 2009/9/22 Luc Van den Troost luc.a...@gmail.com: Dag allen, 3 maanden geleden hadden we ons eerste Antwerpse OSM-cafe. Een informele vergadering met - vooral in Antwerpen aktieve - mappers. Een van de conclusies van de bijeenkomst was toen dat we dat eens regelmatig moesten doen. Vandaar dat ik zou voorstellen op 25 oktober, vanaf 13 uur, opnieuw bijeen te komen bij ons thuis - Van Boendalestraat 8, 2000 Antwerpen - zie http://www.bb2000.be/stratenzoeker Ik zorg eens te meer voor koffie en koffiekoeken - zeker voor degenen die vooraf laten weten dat ze komen - Internet is uiteraard ook beschikbaar en dit maal zorg ik ook voor meer fietsenstalling... Dingen die besproken kunnen/mogen/moeten worden: *** Toestand van de kaart in Antwerpen: De meeste straten, ook in de gebieden die op de luchtfoto's onder een wolk schuilgaan, zitten erin. De meeste straten zijn ook benoemd en voorzien van de juiste tagging qua aard en hoofdrijrichting. Gaten in de kaart zijn er nog: zie ook http://www.bb2000.be/stratenzoeker/state.html 2030 Luchtbal: enkele onbenoemde straten in de hoek van Groenendaallaan / Noorderlaan - tegenover Metropolis - maar vooral nog wat ontbrekende straten in het havengebied tussen Albertdok en Noorderlaan. 2040 BeZaLi: nog 60 onbenoemde straten vooral in Zandvliet en ook nog wat in Berendrecht. 2060 Noord: nog enkele ontbrekende straten, vooral dan wat stegen en ingesloten pleintjes 2100 Deurne: nog 34 onbenoemde straten, vooral in Deurne noord, de buurt van het Sportpaleis 2170 Merksem: nog 106 - van de 250 - straten zonder naam. Eigenlijk bijna de hele hoek tussen Lambrechtshoekenlaan en de Bredabaan. 2180 Ekeren. Nog 35 onbenoemde straten, vooral wijk Schoonbroek, 'edisonwijk' en nog wat in Rozemaai. 2610 Wilrijk 2660 Hoboken: wat missende straten her en der. Is ook het gebied met de meeste wolken... *** Dingen in 't stad waar nog wel meer werk aan is: - fietsen in tegenrichting - huisnummers - restricties - no left turn, no right turn, ... - maxspeed en andere restricties Hieromtrent eventueel afspraken en tips *** De haven. een lastig gebied... In de haven zijn een heel aantal straten uit de officiele lijst verdwenen, een aantal zijn gelegen in een prive concessie of in het beveiligde 'afgesloten' gebied van de haven. Praktische tips hoe we dit aanpakken. *** POI's. Van welke is het nuttig om 'volledigheid' na te streven en welke zijn eerder facultatief? *** Wat als de kaart 'af' is... Uiteraard moet die verder geupdated worden en zo, maar eens Antwerpen af is is het misschien ook tijd om hierrond eens wat promo te maken, de kaart ruimer 'in gebruik' te krijgen en zo... Maken we daarrond een 'aktieprogramma' en zo ja, hoe doen we dat? Mag ik hierbij nog eens vermelden dat ook mappers die niet in Antwerpen aktief zijn meer dan welkom zijn. Een face-to-face bijeenkomst is de beste plaats om allerlei praktische problemen het snelst besproken en opgelost te hebben. Ook sommige dingen eens 'zien doen' leert je vaak meer dan 500 x de wiki lezen... Praktisch: 2e Antwerps OSM Cafe zondag 25 oktober, 13 uur Van Boendalestraat 8, 2000 Antwerpen openbaar vervoer: De lijn / Franklin Rooseveltplaats op 200 m NMBS / Centraal station op 500 m Wie komt geeft bij voorkeur een seintje vooraf, anders zijn koffiekoeken niet gegarandeerd ;-) Luc / Speedy ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] 2e Antwerps OSM cafe
On Wed, 2009-09-23 at 09:33 +0200, Chris Van Bael wrote: Hallo, ik vrees dat ik nog niet echt gemapped heb. Verscheidene redenen daarvoor: - veel te druk op het werk en met mijn huis te verbouwen. - te weinig inzicht hoe het mappen juist in zijn werk gaat. Voor dat laatste is het 'een keer zien doen' of 'zelf doen terwijl iemand helpt' de beste vliegende start. Is er op die dag tijd om een uitleg te geven hoe je best routes invoert? Hopelijk krijg ik daardoor dan een vliegende start ;-) Ook qua routes - als je inderdaad routes bedoeld en niet tracks - zullen er wel een paar 'specialisten' aanwezig zijn die zich om met fietsroutes en OV-routes bezighouden. Met deftige uitleg zou ik die dag gerust de coté van Merksem kunnen doen. Ik heb er 6 jaar gewoond, dus dat is me wel bekend! Merksem is qua straten wel vrij volledig gemapt, maar er ontbreken nog een heleboel straatnamen en wellicht ook eenrichtingsstraten. Mits een goede kennis van de buurt en de straatnamen kan je daar allicht al een boel doen zonder zelfs van je stoel te komen ;-) Nu nog zorgen dat ik de 25e vrij ben... Chris 2009/9/22 Luc Van den Troost luc.a...@gmail.com: Dag allen, 3 maanden geleden hadden we ons eerste Antwerpse OSM-cafe. Een informele vergadering met - vooral in Antwerpen aktieve - mappers. Een van de conclusies van de bijeenkomst was toen dat we dat eens regelmatig moesten doen. Vandaar dat ik zou voorstellen op 25 oktober, vanaf 13 uur, opnieuw bijeen te komen bij ons thuis - Van Boendalestraat 8, 2000 Antwerpen - zie http://www.bb2000.be/stratenzoeker Ik zorg eens te meer voor koffie en koffiekoeken - zeker voor degenen die vooraf laten weten dat ze komen - Internet is uiteraard ook beschikbaar en dit maal zorg ik ook voor meer fietsenstalling... Dingen die besproken kunnen/mogen/moeten worden: *** Toestand van de kaart in Antwerpen: De meeste straten, ook in de gebieden die op de luchtfoto's onder een wolk schuilgaan, zitten erin. De meeste straten zijn ook benoemd en voorzien van de juiste tagging qua aard en hoofdrijrichting. Gaten in de kaart zijn er nog: zie ook http://www.bb2000.be/stratenzoeker/state.html 2030 Luchtbal: enkele onbenoemde straten in de hoek van Groenendaallaan / Noorderlaan - tegenover Metropolis - maar vooral nog wat ontbrekende straten in het havengebied tussen Albertdok en Noorderlaan. 2040 BeZaLi: nog 60 onbenoemde straten vooral in Zandvliet en ook nog wat in Berendrecht. 2060 Noord: nog enkele ontbrekende straten, vooral dan wat stegen en ingesloten pleintjes 2100 Deurne: nog 34 onbenoemde straten, vooral in Deurne noord, de buurt van het Sportpaleis 2170 Merksem: nog 106 - van de 250 - straten zonder naam. Eigenlijk bijna de hele hoek tussen Lambrechtshoekenlaan en de Bredabaan. 2180 Ekeren. Nog 35 onbenoemde straten, vooral wijk Schoonbroek, 'edisonwijk' en nog wat in Rozemaai. 2610 Wilrijk 2660 Hoboken: wat missende straten her en der. Is ook het gebied met de meeste wolken... *** Dingen in 't stad waar nog wel meer werk aan is: - fietsen in tegenrichting - huisnummers - restricties - no left turn, no right turn, ... - maxspeed en andere restricties Hieromtrent eventueel afspraken en tips *** De haven. een lastig gebied... In de haven zijn een heel aantal straten uit de officiele lijst verdwenen, een aantal zijn gelegen in een prive concessie of in het beveiligde 'afgesloten' gebied van de haven. Praktische tips hoe we dit aanpakken. *** POI's. Van welke is het nuttig om 'volledigheid' na te streven en welke zijn eerder facultatief? *** Wat als de kaart 'af' is... Uiteraard moet die verder geupdated worden en zo, maar eens Antwerpen af is is het misschien ook tijd om hierrond eens wat promo te maken, de kaart ruimer 'in gebruik' te krijgen en zo... Maken we daarrond een 'aktieprogramma' en zo ja, hoe doen we dat? Mag ik hierbij nog eens vermelden dat ook mappers die niet in Antwerpen aktief zijn meer dan welkom zijn. Een face-to-face bijeenkomst is de beste plaats om allerlei praktische problemen het snelst besproken en opgelost te hebben. Ook sommige dingen eens 'zien doen' leert je vaak meer dan 500 x de wiki lezen... Praktisch: 2e Antwerps OSM Cafe zondag 25 oktober, 13 uur Van Boendalestraat 8, 2000 Antwerpen openbaar vervoer: De lijn / Franklin Rooseveltplaats op 200 m NMBS / Centraal station op 500 m Wie komt geeft bij voorkeur een seintje vooraf, anders zijn koffiekoeken niet gegarandeerd ;-) Luc / Speedy ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list
Re: [OSM-talk-be] 2e Antwerps OSM cafe
wannes wrote: zie ook http://www.bb2000.be/stratenzoeker/state.html 2100 Deurne: nog 34 onbenoemde straten, vooral in Deurne noord, de buurt van het Sportpaleis Kan ik wel even doen tussendoor. Met die potlach is het wel een stuk makkelijker geworden. Thx voor het stratenlijstje van ontbrekende straten. Ik print het af per gemeente en fiets ver even langs op weg naar huis. wat die lijst ontbrekende straten betreft: Moest iemand van plan zijn Wilrijk of Hoboken te vervolledigen, dan is die te laat want ik heb het vorige week al gedaan :-) *** Wat te doen met wegenwerken en tijdelijke omleggingen/verkeerssituaties? (Bijvoorbeerld de huidige situatie aan de Sint-jacobsmarkt, in welke maten moet die gereflecteerd worden op de kaart?) In OSM is nu de tijdelijke situatie gemapt aan de Sint-Jacobsmarkt. Heb ik niets op tegen, als het maar in het oog wordt gehouden zodat het terug naar de oorspronkelijke situatie gemapt kan worden als de werken gedaan zijn. En je bent werkelijk zo vergeten dat er een tijdelijke situatie op de kaart staat. Maar aangezien veruit de meeste straten die je mapt niet zo in het oog kunnen gehouden worden, map ik meestal toch de oorspronkelijke -- als dat mogelijk is natuurlijk want je merkt het niet altijd. Voor grote wegenwerken zal het beter zijn de tijdelijke situatie in OSM te zetten, omdat die ook zichtbaar zijn, en dan ook vooral voor de gebruiker. Als ze bijvoorbeeld -- wie weet deze eeuw nog -- hier in Antwerpen de Oosterweelverbinding gaan aanleggen, dan is het best om zo up to date mogelijk te blijven met verlegde op- en afritten, gesloten wegen, tijdelijke wegen etc. omdat dat een grote impact geeft over de te volgen reisweg bv. Ben ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] 2e Antwerps OSM cafe
On Wed, 2009-09-23 at 12:57 +0200, Ben Laenen wrote: wannes wrote: zie ook http://www.bb2000.be/stratenzoeker/state.html 2100 Deurne: nog 34 onbenoemde straten, vooral in Deurne noord, de buurt van het Sportpaleis Kan ik wel even doen tussendoor. Met die potlach is het wel een stuk makkelijker geworden. Thx voor het stratenlijstje van ontbrekende straten. Ik print het af per gemeente en fiets ver even langs op weg naar huis. wat die lijst ontbrekende straten betreft: Moest iemand van plan zijn Wilrijk of Hoboken te vervolledigen, dan is die te laat want ik heb het vorige week al gedaan :-) *** Wat te doen met wegenwerken en tijdelijke omleggingen/verkeerssituaties? (Bijvoorbeerld de huidige situatie aan de Sint-jacobsmarkt, in welke maten moet die gereflecteerd worden op de kaart?) In OSM is nu de tijdelijke situatie gemapt aan de Sint-Jacobsmarkt. Heb ik niets op tegen, als het maar in het oog wordt gehouden zodat het terug naar de oorspronkelijke situatie gemapt kan worden als de werken gedaan zijn. En je bent werkelijk zo vergeten dat er een tijdelijke situatie op de kaart staat. Yeps. Die tijdelijke sitatie heb ik aangepast, omdat 'tijdelijk' in dit geval ca. 4 jaar zal duren... Dat is langer dan de 'definitieve' situatie in de Lange Sint Annastraat het had uitgehouden... Bovendien is dat hier in m'n onmiddellijke omgeving en passeert momenteel alle verkeer door onze straat. De dag dat dit niet meer is merk ik het en wordt het teruggezet naar de 'normale' situatie. Maar aangezien veruit de meeste straten die je mapt niet zo in het oog kunnen gehouden worden, map ik meestal toch de oorspronkelijke -- als dat mogelijk is natuurlijk want je merkt het niet altijd. Zeker voor omleidingen waar je 'een keer' in terechtkomt maar normaal niet passeert. Als je die ook op die manier gaat taggen is er inderdaad een groot risico dat de 'tijdelijke' situatie te lang blijft hangen in OSM. Voor grote wegenwerken zal het beter zijn de tijdelijke situatie in OSM te zetten, omdat die ook zichtbaar zijn, en dan ook vooral voor de gebruiker. Als ze bijvoorbeeld -- wie weet deze eeuw nog -- hier in Antwerpen de Oosterweelverbinding gaan aanleggen, dan is het best om zo up to date mogelijk te blijven met verlegde op- en afritten, gesloten wegen, tijdelijke wegen etc. omdat dat een grote impact geeft over de te volgen reisweg bv. Ben ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] 2e Antwerps OSM cafe
On Wed, 2009-09-23 at 14:49 +0200, wannes wrote: Op 23 september 2009 13:15 schreef Luc Van den Troost luc.a...@gmail.com het volgende: *** Wat te doen met wegenwerken en tijdelijke omleggingen/verkeerssituaties? (Bijvoorbeerld de huidige situatie aan de Sint-jacobsmarkt, in welke maten moet die gereflecteerd worden op de kaart?) In OSM is nu de tijdelijke situatie gemapt aan de Sint-Jacobsmarkt. Heb ik niets op tegen, als het maar in het oog wordt gehouden zodat het terug naar de oorspronkelijke situatie gemapt kan worden als de werken gedaan zijn. En je bent werkelijk zo vergeten dat er een tijdelijke situatie op de kaart staat. Yeps. Die tijdelijke sitatie heb ik aangepast, omdat 'tijdelijk' in dit geval ca. 4 jaar zal duren... Dat is langer dan de 'definitieve' situatie in de Lange Sint Annastraat het had uitgehouden... Tijdelijk? http://www.gva.be/antwerpen/antwerpen/rijrichting-sint-jacobsmarkt-verandert-na-verhuis-pompiers.aspx Het is de bedoeling dat alles omgedraaid zou verlopen. (Eindelijk van dat rotkruispunt af) Dat zou dus ook pas binnen 3 jaar zijn, maar wel een verbetering waar iedereen al jaren op wacht. Een ander 'probleem' dat bij het omkeren van de rijrichting altijd naar boven komt is de lijn, die in praktijk meer te zeggen heeft dan wie dan ook, en vaak nogal uitblinkt door een gebrek aan goodwill... Efin, er is in ieder geval een nieuwe verantwoordelijke minister daarvoor, en voor de geintresseerden, ook de vacature van directeur generaal is gepubliceerd... Als dat zo is dan blijft de tijdelijke rijrichting op st jacobsmarkt tussen lange nieuwsstraat en lange st. annastraat wat ze is, en moet 'enkel' de rest van de lus worden aangepast. Er zijn 'tijdelijk' ook enkele andere straten van richting veranderd, nl lange st.annastraat en korte winkelstraat. Overigens begrijp ik niet goed waarom het 'probleem' voor de rijrichting om te draaien omwille van de brandweer nu plots zou vedwijnen indien ze 200 meter verder in dezelfde straat gaan zitten... Maar goed. Waarom een wegomlegging begint VOORBIJ de bouwwerf die er de oorzaak van is heb ik ooit nooit begrepen. Luc / Speedy Zeker voor omleidingen waar je 'een keer' in terechtkomt maar normaal niet passeert. Als je die ook op die manier gaat taggen is er inderdaad een groot risico dat de 'tijdelijke' situatie te lang blijft hangen in OSM. Af en toe eens een maintenance-sessie organiseren? Geen idee hoe we dat structureel kunnen aanpakken? -- wannes ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [Talk-si] GADM
Uh, res je slaba :). No, vseeno hvala za trud lp Igor 2009/9/24 Damjan Gerli dam...@damjan.net Sem malo pogledal in za Slovenijo / občine je kvaliteta slaba. Tu si lahko ogledate screenshot: http://www.damjan.net/tmp/SVN_adm_2.png LP, Damjan -Izvirno sporočilo- Od: talk-si-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-si-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Namesto Igor Brejc Poslano: 23. september 2009 23:13 Za: Talk-si@openstreetmap.org Zadeva: [Talk-si] GADM Ravnokar zasledil: http://freegeographytools.com/2009/free-vector-country-borders -administrative-boundaries-and-soon-morehttp://freegeographytools.com/2009/free-vector-country-borders%0A-administrative-boundaries-and-soon-more Preveril sem in imajo tudi slovenske občinske meje, ne vem pa kakšna je natančnost in licenca. Če se kdo želi igrati, naj preveri... lp Igor -- http://igorbrejc.net ___ Talk-si mailing list Talk-si@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-si ___ Talk-si mailing list Talk-si@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-si ___ Talk-si mailing list Talk-si@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-si
[OSM-talk] intent to vandalize
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fake%20Liam123/diary/8007#comments -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] intent to vandalize
2009/9/23 maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fake%20Liam123/diary/8007#comments That account hasn't made any edits... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] feasibility - different use of openstreetmap
Question: Would it be possible/feasible to setup a map server like openstreetmap that shows all the street/roads along with my aerial photography and field outlines, and then make a search for the field by customer, by legal description or by field name? I'm unsure about the technical details, but in general you would need a apache with mod_tile [0] / renderd / mapnik [1] to render your street-tiles with transparent background. Your Areal photos could (should?) be supplied by a WMS-Server (?) Both would be bundled together with OpenLayers [2]. As they also support vector drawings from external sources (GML, KML, etc.) I would suggest to put the field-outlines in here. Especially transparent street-tiles would be very cool to share to the community. If I'ts not possible to publish the tiles you may want to publish the styles-file configurations you used to generate them to the wiki. Good Look with your Project, Peter [0] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mod_tile [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapnik [2] http://openlayers.org/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] feasibility - different use of openstreetmap
2009/9/23 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: Question: Would it be possible/feasible to setup a map server like openstreetmap that shows all the street/roads along with my aerial photography and field outlines, and then make a search for the field by customer, by legal description or by field name? I'm unsure about the technical details, but in general you would need a apache with mod_tile [0] / renderd / mapnik [1] to render your street-tiles with transparent background. Your Areal photos could (should?) be supplied by a WMS-Server (?) Both would be bundled together with OpenLayers [2]. As they also support vector drawings from external sources (GML, KML, etc.) I would suggest to put the field-outlines in here. Especially transparent street-tiles would be very cool to share to the community. If I'ts not possible to publish the tiles you may want to publish the styles-file configurations you used to generate them to the wiki. I'm trying to figure out how to do a similar thing with post codes, for the moment I've got a very basic mapnik style sheet that just produces town names, country borders and shaded postcode areas. http://maps.bigtincan.com/?z=7ll=-33.52829,148.04077layer=00B00FF OpenLayers can do semi-transparent layers over the top of a base layer, so I'll probably be going down that path too: http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=7lat=-32.52829lon=148.04077layers=00B000TF ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] intent to vandalize
-Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of John Smith Sent: 23 September 2009 07:53 To: maning sambale Cc: osm-talk Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] intent to vandalize 2009/9/23 maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fake%20Liam123/diary/8007#comments That account hasn't made any edits... Don't worry. In the UK we've had issues with a Liam123 making questionable edits. This is just somebody else that's set up a separate account Fake Liam123 (much alike Fake SteveC or Fake RichardF) and is just poking a bit out of the situation. I'm pretty sure that there's nothing malicious actually going on. Gregory ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM
Just noticed this on the front page of Wikipedia: Did you know... ...that in 2009 two MIT students made a vehicle to take pictures of the Earth from 93,000 feet (28,000 m) for US$148? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Icarus PaulY On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Joe Richards joefis...@yahoo.com wrote: Where did this idea go in the end? It seems the talk about it petered-out, or was some action agreed (along with who was going to undertake it)? Given the US have forgotten to keep the GPS system up to date, maybe we need a few satelites of our own to replace it... Or maybe we can use Galileo once its up instead. This was more about high-resolution aerial photography suitable for deriving traces. As for geopositioning satellites, I doubt the US military-industrial complex (or its adherents in places like Europe) will allow such a key technology to fall into real disrepair. Plus with future civilian receivers combining signals from Galileo and GPS, alongside radio signals, the future is actually looking brighter than ever... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Tel: +44(0) 7814 517 807 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM
2009/9/23 paul youlten paul.youl...@gmail.com: Just noticed this on the front page of Wikipedia: Did you know... ...that in 2009 two MIT students made a vehicle to take pictures of the Earth from 93,000 feet (28,000 m) for US$148? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Icarus Yes but almost none of the imagery would be useful for vectorising however. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] embed picture with josm
hi, can one embed images with josm? if so, how? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] embed picture with josm
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: hi, can one embed images with josm? if so, how? by using either the piclayer plugin (for correctly projected and rectified images, e.g. maps) or, when using own aerial imagery (not rectified), by using metacarta's map recitifier or mapwarper and embedding these services via wmsplugin. regards ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OSM in Poland
Hi, at the Intergeo trade fair, I spoke to a guy from the university in Wroclaw, Poland, who was interested in getting in touch with the Polish OSM community (with a view of asking his students, who have to do a lot of surveying as part of their courses, to contribute to OSM). I was about to say just check out the Polish mailing list when I found that while we do have lots of mailing lists for quite small countries, there's none for Poland. So where does the Polish OSM community hang out? Checked the Wiki and found nothing in terms of regular meetings or in fact any contact address or real name. Do they perhaps have a forum or something? Is there perhaps anyone in Wroclaw who would be willing to work with the university on this? Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM in Poland
Hi Frederik, On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: So where does the Polish OSM community hang out? Checked the Wiki and found nothing in terms of regular meetings or in fact any contact address or real name. Do they perhaps have a forum or something? Is there perhaps anyone in Wroclaw who would be willing to work with the university on this? I have found this one: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=23 --Ciprian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM
Yes but almost none of the imagery would be useful for vectorising however. How be difficult would it be to adapt their low-cost approach to give more useful images for mapping? Is it just a matter of attaching the camera to some sort of gimbal? ... because you'd only sending it up to 3,500m (rather than 30,000m) you wouldn't need to worry so much about low temperatures freezing the batteries. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:00 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/23 paul youlten paul.youl...@gmail.com: Just noticed this on the front page of Wikipedia: Did you know... ...that in 2009 two MIT students made a vehicle to take pictures of the Earth from 93,000 feet (28,000 m) for US$148? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Icarus Yes but almost none of the imagery would be useful for vectorising however. -- Tel: +44(0) 7814 517 807 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM
2009/9/23 paul youlten paul.youl...@gmail.com: ... because you'd only sending it up to 3,500m (rather than 30,000m) you wouldn't need to worry so much about low temperatures freezing the batteries. At that altitude you wouldn't have to worry about the balloon bursting at that altitude either. The bigger issue would be the weight of the tether. RC blimp might also be more practical since you could steer it etc. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM
RC blimp might also be more practical since you could steer it etc. Do modern RC controls have that sort of range? 3.5km seems a lot... an alternative would be to control it with GPS and some sort of electronic flight plan/autopilot. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:16 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/23 paul youlten paul.youl...@gmail.com: ... because you'd only sending it up to 3,500m (rather than 30,000m) you wouldn't need to worry so much about low temperatures freezing the batteries. At that altitude you wouldn't have to worry about the balloon bursting at that altitude either. The bigger issue would be the weight of the tether. -- Tel: +44(0) 7814 517 807 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM in Poland
Hi, 2009/9/23 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: at the Intergeo trade fair, I spoke to a guy from the university in Wroclaw, Poland, who was interested in getting in touch with the Polish OSM community (with a view of asking his students, who have to do a lot of surveying as part of their courses, to contribute to OSM). This would be very useful to OSM. I was about to say just check out the Polish mailing list when I found that while we do have lots of mailing lists for quite small countries, there's none for Poland. So where does the Polish OSM community hang out? Checked the Wiki and found nothing in terms of regular meetings or in fact any contact address or real name. Do they perhaps have a forum or something? There's the forum at http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=23 with a tiny community, it's rather silent but in the healthy way, meaning that people are busy mapping :) I would have much preferred a mailing list but others don't seem very enthusiastic about this. I don't know of any meetings other than mine with user:Mala Is there perhaps anyone in Wroclaw who would be willing to work with the university on this? There's at least one user from Wroclaw reading the forums. Wroclaw municipality is also cooperative and allowed us to use their super exact aerial photography of the city (10cm or so per pixel) and I think some other WMS layers. Cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM
2009/9/23 paul youlten paul.youl...@gmail.com: RC blimp might also be more practical since you could steer it etc. Do modern RC controls have that sort of range? 3.5km seems a lot... an alternative would be to control it with GPS and some sort of electronic flight plan/autopilot. Do you need to go above 1km? There is usually more restristrictions on UAVs than RC aircraft. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM
Hi, paul youlten wrote: Do modern RC controls have that sort of range? 3.5km seems a lot... an alternative would be to control it with GPS and some sort of electronic flight plan/autopilot. I always thought that aviation regulations require the pilot - whether on board or on the ground - to monitor the airspace around the aircraft and take evasive action where necessary. It would be hard to do that on the ground for an aircraft that far up. But maybe that depends on the country you're in. I think in the US it is pretty much everything goes up to 1200 feet AGL or so but after that you have to behave. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM
2009/9/23 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: I always thought that aviation regulations require the pilot - whether on board or on the ground - to monitor the airspace around the aircraft and take evasive action where necessary. It would be hard to do that on the ground for an aircraft that far up. But maybe that depends on the country you're in. I think in the US it is pretty much everything goes up to 1200 feet AGL or so but after that you have to behave. The other question to be asked is the time, effort and money put into this be less than archived sat imagery which is about $14 per sq km. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM
The other question to be asked is the time, effort and money put into this be less than archived sat imagery which is about $14 per sq km. Yeah...but it would be fun to try! ... and while $14/sq Km doesn't sound a lot it would still cost $5376 (£4900) just to get images of (for example) the Isle of Wight in the UK, $11000 (€7440) to get pictures of New York City and $8000 (€5414) for the island of Ibiza in Spain. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:38 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/23 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: I always thought that aviation regulations require the pilot - whether on board or on the ground - to monitor the airspace around the aircraft and take evasive action where necessary. It would be hard to do that on the ground for an aircraft that far up. But maybe that depends on the country you're in. I think in the US it is pretty much everything goes up to 1200 feet AGL or so but after that you have to behave. The other question to be asked is the time, effort and money put into this be less than archived sat imagery which is about $14 per sq km. -- Tel: +44(0) 7814 517 807 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM
2009/9/23 paul youlten paul.youl...@gmail.com: The other question to be asked is the time, effort and money put into this be less than archived sat imagery which is about $14 per sq km. Yeah...but it would be fun to try! ... and while $14/sq Km doesn't sound a lot it would still cost $5376 (£4900) just to get images of (for example) the Isle of Wight in the UK, $11000 (€7440) to get pictures of New York City and $8000 (€5414) for the island of Ibiza in Spain. You're implying that there wouldn't be transport and other logistical costs, it doesn't matter which way you go it isn't going to be free to go from place to place etc etc etc Instead of a toy/rc blimp, maybe it might be practical to make a full size one. You could have living quaters, internet connectivity and so on and so forth :) Maybe you could pick up a second hand one on the cheap :) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetView
On 22 Sep 2009, at 17:44, malenki wrote: | There was an error saving your changes Odd, I'll take a look, can you paste the URL to the thumbnail to help me identify it? Besides there seems to be no way (atm) to edit several pictures in a row. MArking some and clicking mask sections showed up only the first. Yeah, this is something I'd like in the future but haven't had chance to do yet, definitely something I want in the future. It would be nice to have p...@openstreetmap.org on gmane. I'm not actually sure what you mean by this, is it something I need to set up for the pho...@openstreetmap.org mailing list? For moderating photos: 1) It would be handy to be able to see the pictures in full resolution since its a difference if a car with licence plate is photographed with a 320x240 cam of a mobile phone or with a 12MP SLR. The thumbnails aren't much helpful there. Currently you see the image at max 1024 width/height, that's the biggest that is available, I recommend that you use a judgement call and mask out things if there's potential for them to be visible 2) If there are just few people like me who log photograph all day long for OSM, soon it will be hard work moderating all the thousands of pictures. At my most productive day I made 1740 of them... Yes... we'll have to see what we can do in the future, I'd say automated masking with human verification might be one option. Questions: Housenumbers would not be a privacy problem I hope? I don't believe so, I'd say they were useful. I quite often make photographs of the ground when the highways surface changes, Parking place starts here, ands here - are these kind pictures welcome also? Are there kinds of pictures you would not like to see on your server? I suppose photos of the ground might be used as part of a 3D model but in general if it really does just look like a bit of gravel or completely sky then it's probably not useful. I'd say we don't want indoors photos, photos that are mainly inside a car or where the GPS is taking up most of the picture that said, we will need to allow photos of GPSes to be uploaded when we do server-side geotagging (i.e. uploading traces). John___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM
On Wednesday 23 September 2009, paul youlten wrote: How be difficult would it be to adapt their low-cost approach to give more useful images for mapping? Very. Getting steady images from a balloon would be very difficult, even with a gimbal. The payload swings like a pendulum. You also wouldn't be able to control where the balloon went. You would have a very hard time fighting against wind with an RC blimp. Current efforts doing UAV aerial imagery revolve around fixed wing aircraft and to a lesser extent helicopters. They have limited flight times but are looking quite promising. robert. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Field boundaries (was: feasibility - different use of openstreetmap)
In the UK, certainly large-scale Ordnance Survey maps show field boundaries. There is some incomprehensible (to me) information about 'field parcel numbers' at http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/site/contact/fieldparcels.html. It would be great to add them to OSM but I don't think walking along the boundary of each field with a GPS device is a practical way to do it. And high-resolution aerial photography is unlikely to be available for rural areas. So I wonder where the OS get their data from? -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] The OpenStreetMap website is now translatable at Translatewiki
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: But which OSM components does this cover? I'm assuming this only covers the main OSM website (and the wiki indirectly since MediaWiki is already in TranslateWiki) but not Potlatch, and the other editors. It's only the website at the moment as Siebrand says. But it would be very nice to add other OpenStreetMap applications, the most obvious next step being Potlatch. To add Potlatch some internal changes need to be done in Potlatch itself. I've filed a bug detailing what these are: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2304 I don't think Richard minds this change to Potlatch but he'd rather not do the work since he's working on Potlatch 2. Changing this is easy even if you're not familiar with Potlatch, you just have to change all the calls to the iText(): remove the first parameter and split it ont a YAML file. If you (or someone else) interested in seeing Potlatch on Translatewiki solving that bug is the first step towards doing that. The second one is hacking an importer/exporter for Potlatch's YAML format for Translatewiki. That's easy though, it's just a matter of reusing the existing YAML code without all the complexities we had to deal with for supporting applications using Rails' i18n framework. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Field boundaries
The OS have their own aerial survey 'plane, currently based in Blackpool I think. A large part of their rural mapping updates comes from this hi res photography. They don't choose to release these photos for general use of course. An OS 'plane used to be based at an airfield I used to fly from. Cheers, Chris Ed Avis wrote: In the UK, certainly large-scale Ordnance Survey maps show field boundaries. There is some incomprehensible (to me) information about 'field parcel numbers' at http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/site/contact/fieldparcels.html. It would be great to add them to OSM but I don't think walking along the boundary of each field with a GPS device is a practical way to do it. And high-resolution aerial photography is unlikely to be available for rural areas. So I wonder where the OS get their data from? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Evolution of a map
2009/9/21 Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com: On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:25:37 +0300, Eddy Petrișor wrote: I've done something primitive based on some shell scripting and the mapnik render; the code isn't published yet, but I can publish it, if you want. Please do. +1 -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia projects contributor* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.netsons.org Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM
On Wed, September 23, 2009 19:44, Robert Scott wrote: On Wednesday 23 September 2009, paul youlten wrote: How be difficult would it be to adapt their low-cost approach to give more useful images for mapping? Very. Getting steady images from a balloon would be very difficult, even with a gimbal. The payload swings like a pendulum. You also wouldn't be able to control where the balloon went. You would have a very hard time fighting against wind with an RC blimp. You could stabilise the camera with a gyroscope, spinning around a vertical axis. It would consume power to keep it spinning, and, by definition, it would add weight, but if the camera was pointing straight down when the gyroscope was started, then the gyroscope would tend to keep the axis vertical. And you wouldn't need to care where the balloon went, as long as it went somewhere you hadn't mapped yet. Or something. A ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] good news: shapefile usage of ramsar sites for openstreetmap.org
2009/9/22 Morten Kjeldgaard m...@bioxray.au.dk I am sorry, but I don't understand. Roman references an email from the communications officer of Ramsar, and you are worried? You say the sites in U.K. have probably been mapped by BOS? What kind of authority do you represent to convince us that your concerns should be ours as well? I dont know how to answer this authority question, it does not seem relevant to openstreetmap, or the point I raised. No one in the in the OpenStreetMap community has authority. My interest in OSM is not mapping of streets, its the mapping of wildlife sites and habitat, which includes Ramsar sites. In the UK we have very limited access to maps of wildlife sites. Google is only interested in streets. Maps we do have are owned by Ordnance Survey which restricts use. Local Groups that commonly manage wildlife sites in the UK usually can not afford to pay Ordnance Survey. UK authorities use Ordnance Survey for preparing maps of their Nature Conservation data, and I know that use of this data is restricted by copyright. The data for the UK Ramsar sites will have come from JNCC, and its clear from looking at the JNCC site (which holds data in the UK) that the mapping data is derived from OS maps. In fact you can directly download the data prepared for European Bodies from the website, but with restrictions due to it being derived from OS maps. I am hoping that JNCC has had to enter into a contract with OS to allow them to submit the data to various European bodies without copyright restrictions. If so this is an important set of data for UK users, we have access to up-to-date OS data without copyright restrictions. But I, and I assume a lot of UK users of OSM would be surprised if the data had been supplied to the European bodies without some form of restriction. This is not based on Authority as you put it, but on years of experience of how OS works. In fact OpenStreetMap was created, in large part, as a response to the copyright attitude of OS. I would counter that the British government -- if they indeed stood for the measurements of the data -- has probably signed copyright over to the Ramsar organization. The British Government (or JNCC) would have to buy the 'copyright' for this data. This British Government has little interest in wildlife in the UK, it definitely has no 'measurable' interest in supporting European Bodies involved with wildlife. They are constantly loosing court cases in Europe and I wouldn't be surprised if they had handed over the data with restrictions, despite having an agreement to provide the data with no restrictions. To repeat, I am not saying the data must not be used, I am simply raising an issue because I think there may be a problem. I don't trust the British Government and OS. I would genuinely surprised (and pleased) if JNCC had paid OS to remove copyright. I also look forward to seeing Ramsar sites added. Jason user:jamicu ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM
Get a Canon IS lens on a SLR, the ones I have are quite good and mixed with a f-stop of 2.8 it means plenty of light so fast shutter speeds are easier. Only problem is weight, the latest kit weights a few kilos 1.7Kg IRRC just for the lens. Jack Stringer ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Aeroplane for OSM
Hi All Satellite und balloon are not perfect to take orthophotos. Why not buy an aeroplane for OSM? Maybe it would be possible to buy (build) a Camera, GPS,... Unit to mount at a plane and rent the plane. Many governments need orthophotos and maybe they are willing to sponsor the plane for some hours if they get usefull public domain images. Bernhard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Aeroplane for OSM
2009/9/23 bernhard b...@datenkueche.com: Hi All Satellite und balloon are not perfect to take orthophotos. Why not buy an aeroplane for OSM? Maybe it would be possible to buy (build) a Camera, GPS,... Unit to mount at a plane and rent the plane. Many governments need orthophotos and maybe they are willing to sponsor the plane for some hours if they get usefull public domain images. Have a look at a lot of the recent discussion on talk-gb. We recently hired a plane to fly over Stratford-upon-Avon to collect imagery. We're currently in the process of stitching it together to be used for tracing. -- Matt Williams http://milliams.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] embed picture with josm
On Wednesday 23 Sep 2009 1:55:24 pm SLXViper wrote: Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: hi, can one embed images with josm? if so, how? by using either the piclayer plugin (for correctly projected and rectified images, e.g. maps) or, when using own aerial imagery (not rectified), by using metacarta's map recitifier or mapwarper and embedding these services via wmsplugin. actually I was looking at sort of loading a non-tagged picture into josm and manually pasting it where I want - looks like this is not possible! -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM in Poland
Hi, andrzej zaborowski wrote: There's the forum at http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=23 with a tiny community, it's rather silent but in the healthy way, meaning that people are busy mapping :) I would have much preferred a mailing list but others don't seem very enthusiastic about this. Very good, thanks to you and Ciprian, I will point him to the forum then. There's at least one user from Wroclaw reading the forums. Wroclaw municipality is also cooperative and allowed us to use their super exact aerial photography of the city (10cm or so per pixel) and I think some other WMS layers. Yes I remember that I was quite surprised to see *very* detailed building outlines (garden sheds? dog houses?) in the South-East. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] embed picture with josm
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: actually I was looking at sort of loading a non-tagged picture into josm and manually pasting it where I want - looks like this is not possible! This is what piclayer actually does... Haven't you looked at it? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] embed picture with josm
On Wednesday 23 Sep 2009 5:53:45 pm SLXViper wrote: Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: actually I was looking at sort of loading a non-tagged picture into josm and manually pasting it where I want - looks like this is not possible! This is what piclayer actually does... Haven't you looked at it? I looked at it - I could manipulate the picture and put it the size I want in the place I want - but could not figure out how to paste it - every time I chose 'upload', it says 'no changes made'. Also josm does not allow me to merge the pic layer with the existing downloaded layer. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] deleted copyrighted material technically still in the database?
Whenever we see copyrighted material in OSM, we try to remove it immediately. But technically, it still in the database including history and changeset. Am I right in my assumptions? -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Field boundaries
Ed Avis wrote: In the UK, certainly large-scale Ordnance Survey maps show field boundaries. I suspect that it depends on region, but in my experience the Ordnance Survey field boundary data as printed on their Explorer is based on actual boundaries some considerable time in the past. That doesn't mean they don't have some other more accurate data in a format not readily reproduced on a printed map - maps such as this one: http://maps.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/NottsCC.InteractiveMapping.Web.Internet/?e=461177n=360114mpp=160layers=SEA.PLA.FP.BR.RB.BOAThLayer=hField=hValue= suggest that they might. In areas where there's complete public access (Open Access Land) or substantial public access (lots of paths and roads) or very large fields with straight edges it might be feasible to add field boundary data without too much effort, but failing that it's do your own aerial survey or actual surveying on the ground (taking bearings from known points). Maybe that's a job for this winter... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] deleted copyrighted material technically still in the database?
From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com To: osm-talk talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wednesday, 23 September, 2009 13:44:52 Subject: [OSM-talk] deleted copyrighted material technically still in the database? Whenever we see copyrighted material in OSM, we try to remove it immediately. But technically, it still in the database including history and changeset. Am I right in my assumptions? grumblepedantic mode No-one should be removing copyrighted material from the database as a matter of course. We should only be removing copyrighted material if there is no clear evidence that the copyright holder has given permission for it to be used in this way. Some would argue that we should only remove it if there is clear evidence that the copyright holder *hasn't* given permission for it to be used in this way, although the OSM way is to be ultra-cautious where there is uncertainty. /pedantic mode/grumble Technically, it is still in the database, and a technically astute person could recover it. However it is not in the current version of the data that are provided using the default mechanisms, so it *could* be argued that OSM is not actively distributing it. It's similar to when people add code to a public repository then remove it again, it's usually still there somewhere. I am unaware of any legal cases in the UK (where OSM is based) that hinge around this residual availability, but then again I am not a lawyer and would certainly be interested to hear of any. Regards, Donald ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] deleted copyrighted material technically still in the database?
The Data Working Group have the powers to ensure the data is removed permanently from the database and historical planet dumps. To my knowledge, the planet dumps have been patched once in the past to remove a serious copyvio. 2009/9/23 Donald Allwright donald_allwri...@yahoo.com: From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com To: osm-talk talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wednesday, 23 September, 2009 13:44:52 Subject: [OSM-talk] deleted copyrighted material technically still in the database? Whenever we see copyrighted material in OSM, we try to remove it immediately. But technically, it still in the database including history and changeset. Am I right in my assumptions? grumblepedantic mode No-one should be removing copyrighted material from the database as a matter of course. We should only be removing copyrighted material if there is no clear evidence that the copyright holder has given permission for it to be used in this way. Some would argue that we should only remove it if there is clear evidence that the copyright holder *hasn't* given permission for it to be used in this way, although the OSM way is to be ultra-cautious where there is uncertainty. /pedantic mode/grumble Technically, it is still in the database, and a technically astute person could recover it. However it is not in the current version of the data that are provided using the default mechanisms, so it *could* be argued that OSM is not actively distributing it. It's similar to when people add code to a public repository then remove it again, it's usually still there somewhere. I am unaware of any legal cases in the UK (where OSM is based) that hinge around this residual availability, but then again I am not a lawyer and would certainly be interested to hear of any. Regards, Donald ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Regards, Thomas Wood (Edgemaster) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Own aerial photos
Hi, I am hoping to take my own vertical/near-vertical aerial photos. Assuming that I can georeference them, what do I need to do to get them to show up under Potlach so that I can trace from them? Bev ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Field boundaries
Someoneelse lists at mail.atownsend.org.uk writes: In the UK, certainly large-scale Ordnance Survey maps show field boundaries. I suspect that it depends on region, but in my experience the Ordnance Survey field boundary data as printed on their Explorer is based on actual boundaries some considerable time in the past. Hmm, perhaps then tracing it from out-of-copyright maps is not such a bad idea... Although most likely the one-inch maps currently emerging from copyright do not have the field boundaries. That doesn't mean they don't have some other more accurate data in a format not readily reproduced on a printed map - maps such as this one: http://maps.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/ NottsCC.InteractiveMapping.Web.Internet/ ?e=461177n=360114mpp=160layers=SEA.PLA.FP.BR.RB.BOAT /hLayer=hField=hValue= suggest that they might. Hmm, where do you see field information on that? In areas where there's complete public access (Open Access Land) Ah yes, Open Access... http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/ourwork/enjoying/places/openaccess/ lets you see these areas superimposed on OS maps, but I didn't see a place to download the whole data set. Has anyone asked? As for adding field boundaries by doing ground surveys, I think this is too impossibly enormous a task, even for enthusiastic OSM mappers. Perhaps we could install GPS devices on every tractor in the country and over a couple of years record ploughing patterns, which would let you deduce the shape of arable fields... -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Own aerial photos
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Bev M Ewen-Smith schreef: I am hoping to take my own vertical/near-vertical aerial photos. Assuming that I can georeference them, what do I need to do to get them to show up under Potlach so that I can trace from them? For tracing and rectification qGIS is your friend :) Stefan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREKAAYFAkq6JTEACgkQYH1+F2Rqwn0pwQCfSgy1vphwV8X02BD3JtJ/+hlf F34An0AoRPHjjNqjoFPUfCMx8ygoGLkx =SIjS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Own aerial photos
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: Bev M Ewen-Smith schreef: I am hoping to take my own vertical/near-vertical aerial photos. Assuming that I can georeference them, what do I need to do to get them to show up under Potlach so that I can trace from them? For tracing and rectification qGIS is your friend :) You might also try MSR MapCruncher from Microsoft: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/redmond/projects/mapcruncher/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] deleted copyrighted material technically still in the database?
This issue has cropped up with Wikipedia too. The view there is that even though the copyrighted material is still available in the wiki page history, this should not be a big concern. Deleting the material from the current version of the page means that there is an intent to remove the infringing material. But if necessary, then sysads can really delete the offending data in the database. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:44 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote: Whenever we see copyrighted material in OSM, we try to remove it immediately. But technically, it still in the database including history and changeset. Am I right in my assumptions? -- cheers, maning ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] deleted copyrighted material technically still in the database?
From: Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com To: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Cc: osm-talk talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wednesday, 23 September, 2009 14:57:38 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] deleted copyrighted material technically still in the database? This issue has cropped up with Wikipedia too. The view there is that even though the copyrighted material is still available in the wiki page history, this should not be a big concern. Deleting the material from the current version of the page means that there is an intent to remove the infringing material. But if necessary, then sysads can really delete the offending data in the database. Looks like from Thomas Wood's reply that we have this capability too, although it's worth noting that what's valid for wikipedia may not be directly relevant for OSM as they reside within different legal jurisdictions (US vs. England Wales). Donald ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Aeroplane for OSM
Matt Williams lists at milliams.com writes: Maybe it would be possible to buy (build) a Camera, GPS,... Unit to mount at a plane and rent the plane. Many governments need orthophotos and maybe they are willing to sponsor the plane for some hours if they get usefull public domain images. Have a look at a lot of the recent discussion on talk-gb. We recently hired a plane to fly over Stratford-upon-Avon to collect imagery. We're currently in the process of stitching it together to be used for tracing. Making orthophotos is pretty standard work and competition is hard. Governments acquire already regularly (every 3-5 year) good quality aerial images for mapping purposes. National Land Survey of Finland, for example, is selling these images as orthophotos for a list price of 7.32 € per square km (0.5 meter pixel size colour or false colour images). I suppose that if you order your own flight the cost of ready made orthophotos would be about 15-25 € per square km but then the area should be reasonably big. The first flying hour is always the most expensive. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] The OpenStreetMap website is now translatable at Translatewiki
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: But which OSM components does this cover? I'm assuming this only covers the main OSM website (and the wiki indirectly since MediaWiki is already in TranslateWiki) but not Potlatch, and the other editors. It's only the website at the moment as Siebrand says. But it would be very nice to add other OpenStreetMap applications, the most obvious next step being Potlatch. It would also be a very interesting project to use Translatewiki to translate some subsets of the OpenStreetMap data itself. For instance country or state names, capitals, or cities with 0.5 million people, stuff like that. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Own aerial photos
Bev M Ewen-Smith wrote: I am hoping to take my own vertical/near-vertical aerial photos. Assuming that I can georeference them, what do I need to do to get them to show up under Potlach so that I can trace from them? Potlatch likes tiled maps/imagery, just like OSM itself, and in fact using the same tiling system. If you ask over on the talk-gb list (assuming from your e-mail address that you're in the UK) there's a bunch of helpful people who have got our new Stratford imagery into Potlatch, and would hopefully be happy to do the same with yours. cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM
This looks interesting: http://www.slideshare.net/jpmund/aerial-photo-ballon-technique-mapasia2006 Does anyone know Jan-Peter Mund? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Own aerial photos
Map Warper http://warper.geothings.net/ open source, and uses OpenStreetMap for setting of control points. - Original Message From: Bev M Ewen-Smith b...@coaa.co.uk To: talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:36:23 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] Own aerial photos Hi, I am hoping to take my own vertical/near-vertical aerial photos. Assuming that I can georeference them, what do I need to do to get them to show up under Potlach so that I can trace from them? Bev ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM
Note OSM can qualify for non-profit pricing on imagery, which can take the cost down to $12/km2. This is what we arranged for the Gaza imagery. - Original Message From: paul youlten paul.youl...@gmail.com To: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com Cc: Talk Openstreetmap talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:05:18 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM The other question to be asked is the time, effort and money put into this be less than archived sat imagery which is about $14 per sq km. Yeah...but it would be fun to try! ... and while $14/sq Km doesn't sound a lot it would still cost $5376 (£4900) just to get images of (for example) the Isle of Wight in the UK, $11000 (€7440) to get pictures of New York City and $8000 (€5414) for the island of Ibiza in Spain. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:38 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/23 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: I always thought that aviation regulations require the pilot - whether on board or on the ground - to monitor the airspace around the aircraft and take evasive action where necessary. It would be hard to do that on the ground for an aircraft that far up. But maybe that depends on the country you're in. I think in the US it is pretty much everything goes up to 1200 feet AGL or so but after that you have to behave. The other question to be asked is the time, effort and money put into this be less than archived sat imagery which is about $14 per sq km. -- Tel: +44(0) 7814 517 807 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Own aerial photos
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: Bev M Ewen-Smith wrote: I am hoping to take my own vertical/near-vertical aerial photos. Assuming that I can georeference them, what do I need to do to get them to show up under Potlach so that I can trace from them? Potlatch likes tiled maps/imagery, just like OSM itself, and in fact using the same tiling system. If you ask over on the talk-gb list (assuming from your e-mail address that you're in the UK) there's a bunch of helpful people who have got our new Stratford imagery into Potlatch, and would hopefully be happy to do the same with yours. None of the Stratford images seem to be geocoded (at least the ones I saw on Flickr or the photographer's server). Where did the GPX trace go? Also, where is Stratford? When I do a search on Google, I get the one near London that doesn't match the pictures at all... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Own aerial photos
Stratford-upon-Avon http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.206164mlon=-1.721372zoom=11 http://osm.org/go/euylwx@ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Own aerial photos
2009/9/23 Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com: On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Bev M Ewen-Smith wrote: I am hoping to take my own vertical/near-vertical aerial photos. Assuming that I can georeference them, what do I need to do to get them to show up under Potlach so that I can trace from them? Potlatch likes tiled maps/imagery, just like OSM itself, and in fact using the same tiling system. If you ask over on the talk-gb list (assuming from your e-mail address that you're in the UK) there's a bunch of helpful people who have got our new Stratford imagery into Potlatch, and would hopefully be happy to do the same with yours. None of the Stratford images seem to be geocoded (at least the ones I saw on Flickr or the photographer's server). Where did the GPX trace go? Also, where is Stratford? When I do a search on Google, I get the one near London that doesn't match the pictures at all... Take a look at http://milliams.com/verticalitymetre/, http://milliams.com/verticalitymetre/stats.php and http://milliams.com/verticalitymetre/map.html. These were some tools I threw together to rate the photos on how vertical they were and show the results on a map. As you will see, Stratford-upon-Avon is in the Midlands, not too far from Coventry and Birmingham. -- Matt Williams http://milliams.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] The OpenStreetMap website is now translatable at Translatewiki
From: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: But which OSM components does this cover? I'm assuming this only covers the main OSM website (and the wiki indirectly since MediaWiki is already in TranslateWiki) but not Potlatch, and the other editors. It's only the website at the moment as Siebrand says. But it would be very nice to add other OpenStreetMap applications, the most obvious next step being Potlatch. It would also be a very interesting project to use Translatewiki to translate some subsets of the OpenStreetMap data itself. For instance country or state names, capitals, or cities with 0.5 million people, stuff like that. TranslateWiki .. awesome stuff! Agreed some kind of way to translate specific parts of the OSM database would have huge payoff. There's a large open translation community online, we only need to give them familiar tools. I'd reckon that we'd want our own custom tool for this. It would connect to the API, rather than SVN. Maps could be embedded in the tool, to provide geographic context for translators. Also, the Foundation has growing needs for translators for our communications. Wonder if TranslateWiki or something else is a way to get that done. -Mikel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] USB Serial converters - any recommendations?
Nick It could be the problem, bash commands can be very fussy about whitespaces/switches/comamnd order etc. sometimes dave 2009/9/24 Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk: Hello Dave, There is, though why would that make a difference? Nick Dave G 9gerk...@gmail.com 22/09/2009 20:11 To Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk cc Subject Re: [OSM-talk] USB Serial converters - any recommendations? Nick the command looks right to me but there is an extra white-space between the -t and the -i ?? dave 2009/9/22 Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk: Hello Dave, I'm using the command quoted on the OSM wiki page on the subject, using /dev/ttyUSB0. i.e something like gpsbabel -t -i garmin -f /dev/ttyUSB0 -o gpx -F blah.gpx Will look at your scripts. Thanks, Nick Dave G 9gerk...@gmail.com 22/09/2009 10:47 To Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk cc Subject Re: [OSM-talk] USB Serial converters - any recommendations? Nick could be but mine is just a cheap and nasty one of the interweb as well what command are you using to download with GPSBabel? I use these scripts here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Gerkin maybe they will be of some use? cheers..dave 2009/9/22 Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk: [snip mostly PL2303 recommendations] Thanks for the replies on this. My converter is a PL2303 based one, the kernel module detects it when it's plugged in, but... I can't get data out of it using gpsbabel, it reports Timeout - no data read or similar. Maybe I just got a cheap-and-nasty converter, despite it having the most compatible chipset. Thanks, Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps v.s. OSM routing in Berlin
2009/9/17 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com: Why doesn't OSM ever tell me to take a 270 degree turn into oncoming traffic on a 6-lane highway and get onto the motorway_link on the other side? http://maps.google.com/maps?f=dsource=s_dsaddr=B2%2FB5%2FHeerstra%C3%9Fedaddr=A115geocode=FQQ6IQMdPXrKAA%3BFX38IAMdsmvKAAhl=enmra=lssll=52.493736,13.266249sspn=0.002567,0.009645ie=UTF8t=hll=52.502622,13.277648spn=0.001283,0.004823z=18 http://cloudmade.com/maps?lat=52.505434lng=13.272686zoom=15directions=52.50880994711401,13.27127609253,52.49494458610386,13.267847299575806travel=carstyleId=1 Here's a 'funny' example in the opposite direction. Compare http://maps.cloudmade.com/?lat=39.583466lng=-76.129246zoom=13directions=39.57989335828052,-76.15070343017578,39.603175259215426,-76.0719108581543travel=carstyleId=1 with http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=dsource=s_dsaddr=N+Earlton+Rd+Extdaddr=39.602249,-76.071911hl=engeocode=FVDyWwId_gh2-w%3Bmra=dmemrcr=0mrsp=1sz=13sll=39.582936,-76.100922sspn=0.093139,0.154324ie=UTF8z=13 The Cloudmade/OSM route is about 28 times longer. I expect it's just a simple missing connection but it make a big difference in the NY to Washington DC route (1.3 times longer). -- Matt Williams http://milliams.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetView
John McKerrell wrote: On 22 Sep 2009, at 17:44, malenki wrote: | There was an error saving your changes Odd, I'll take a look, can you paste the URL to the thumbnail to help me identify it? Impossible at the moment, OSV looks like this both in opera and firefox: http://omploader.org/vMmVxeA It would be nice to have p...@openstreetmap.org on gmane. I'm not actually sure what you mean by this, is it something I need to set up for the pho...@openstreetmap.org mailing list? Gmane is a mail-2-nntp-gateway. Just ask there to do the service for your mailing list. It is more comfortable than a ML on its own - tha is, for quite some people. :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gmane For moderating photos: 1) It would be handy to be able to see the pictures in full resolution since its a difference if a car with licence plate is photographed with a 320x240 cam of a mobile phone or with a 12MP SLR. The thumbnails aren't much helpful there. Currently you see the image at max 1024 width/height, Yes, when I click Mask, even if I don't know/am not sure if there has to be something masked. Maybe it is an option to display one file after another at 1024x? or to show thumbnails bigger as they are now. that's the biggest that is available, I recommend that you use a judgement call and mask out things if there's potential for them to be visible Did so after I found out. Are there kinds of pictures you would not like to see on your server? I suppose photos of the ground might be used as part of a 3D model but in general if it really does just look like a bit of gravel or completely sky then it's probably not useful. I'd say we don't want indoors photos, photos that are mainly inside a car or where the GPS is taking up most of the picture sounds reasonable that said, we will need to allow photos of GPSes to be uploaded when we do server-side geotagging (i.e. uploading traces). Why is that? (maybe just because of my sometimes insufficient english..?) malenki ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps v.s. OSM routing in Berlin
2009/9/17 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com: Why doesn't OSM ever tell me to take a 270 degree turn into oncoming traffic on a 6-lane highway and get onto the motorway_link on the other side? http://maps.google.com/maps?f=dsource=s_dsaddr=B2%2FB5%2FHeerstra%C3% 9Fedaddr=A115geocode=FQQ6IQMdPXrKAA%3BFX38IAMdsmvKAAhl=enmra=lssll =52.493736,13.266249sspn=0.002567,0.009645ie=UTF8t=hll=52.502622,13 .277648spn=0.001283,0.004823z=18 http://cloudmade.com/maps?lat=52.505434lng=13.272686zoom=15direction s=52.50880994711401,13.27127609253,52.49494458610386,13.26784729957 5806travel=carstyleId=1 Here's a 'funny' example in the opposite direction. Compare http://maps.cloudmade.com/?lat=39.583466lng=- 76.129246zoom=13directions=39.57989335828052,- 76.15070343017578,39.603175259215426,- 76.0719108581543travel=carstyleId=1 with http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=dsource=s_dsaddr=N+Earlton+Rd+Extdad dr=39.602249,-76.071911hl=engeocode=FVDyWwId_gh2- w%3Bmra=dmemrcr=0mrsp=1sz=13sll=39.582936,- 76.100922sspn=0.093139,0.154324ie=UTF8z=13 The Cloudmade/OSM route is about 28 times longer. I expect it's just a simple missing connection but it make a big difference in the NY to Washington DC route (1.3 times longer). -- Matt Williams http://milliams.com There's a large chunk of one lane of I-95 missing. I traced it from yahoo imagery in Potlach. Such is the power of OSM. :) -Jeremy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetView
[still not enough :)] For moderating: right now I moderated several photos until I cam onto a visible license plate. This I masked and added the tag licenceplate, left the masking area, clicked mark as safe and save - and then an error showed up: | There was an error saving your changes Now moderating is stuck at this one photo, I can't go on. Marking as unsafe and saving the change gives no reaction of any kind. I've got the same issue. I'm stuck on an image that I wanted to add a mask to, and it said the same thing There was an error saving your changes. I can't load any more images to moderate whilst I've still got this one - and I can't seem to be able to do anything at all with this image. Some way of being able to download more images to moderate (say, so that you have around 10) even if you've got one left would be good here. A couple more bugs; It took half an hour for my authentication e-mail to arrive. Someone else on IRC said the same. Some others report it being instant. Also, I've mistakenly uploaded an image without geolocation in the exif (I haven't pushed it towards moderation yet). Any chance we could have the option to remove an image? On Internet Explorer - the map fails to display on the main page. Also, when trying to mask-sections of a photo on IE, it appears that you are selecting something - but the mask is not blacked out - and no area is actually selected. On Firefox, I can see the map with thumbnail images in some places. I can't see any way of seeing larger images. Is that functionality to be added, or is it a bug? Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps v.s. OSM routing in Berlin
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, Jeremy Adams wrote: The Cloudmade/OSM route is about 28 times longer. I expect it's just a simple missing connection but it make a big difference in the NY to Washington DC route (1.3 times longer). There's a large chunk of one lane of I-95 missing. I traced it from yahoo imagery in Potlach. Such is the power of OSM. :) We've used oddities in routing programmes in the Au region to find those sort of problems - it has been a very useful exercise of testing the data ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Field boundaries
On Wed, 23 Sep 2009, Ed Avis wrote: Perhaps we could install GPS devices on every tractor in the country where I live tractors have GPS devices already perhaps you just need to ask if they record where they have been? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Field boundaries
Well if somone does map the fields please could they put the gates on there. It would be nice to route people to the nearest gate. We do have the right to roam but those of who live in the countryside have always had that option we just used our common sense by not walking down the middle of crops. I keep thinking there must be a way to get the field data from the farmers if only it was to sit down and draw from a walking street map. Jack Stringer On Sep 23, 2009 2:39 PM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Someoneelse lists at mail.atownsend.org.uk writes: In the UK, certainly large-scale Ordnance ... Hmm, perhaps then tracing it from out-of-copyright maps is not such a bad idea... Although most likely the one-inch maps currently emerging from copyright do not have the field boundaries. That doesn't mean they don't have some other more accurate data in a format not readily reprod... Hmm, where do you see field information on that? In areas where there's complete public access (Open Access Land) Ah yes, Open Access... http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/ourwork/enjoying/places/openaccess/ lets you see these areas superimposed on OS maps, but I didn't see a place to download the whole data set. Has anyone asked? As for adding field boundaries by doing ground surveys, I think this is too impossibly enormous a task, even for enthusiastic OSM mappers. Perhaps we could install GPS devices on every tractor in the country and over a couple of years record ploughing patterns, which would let you deduce the shape of arable fields... -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http:/... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Field boundaries
They record tracks so they can calculate the next leg on the field, the question is wether we can use the data for some reason or other. brgds Aun Johnsen On 23/09/2009, at 17:53, Liz wrote: On Wed, 23 Sep 2009, Ed Avis wrote: Perhaps we could install GPS devices on every tractor in the country where I live tractors have GPS devices already perhaps you just need to ask if they record where they have been? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM
2009/9/23 paul youlten paul.youl...@gmail.com: This looks interesting: +1 http://www.slideshare.net/jpmund/aerial-photo-ballon-technique-mapasia2006 Does anyone know Jan-Peter Mund? don't know him, but he's not difficult to find (1st hit in g00gle ;-) http://www.staff.uni-mainz.de/mund/index.html cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Field boundaries
Ed Avis wrote: Someoneelse lists at mail.atownsend.org.uk writes: http://maps.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/ NottsCC.InteractiveMapping.Web.Internet/ ?e=461177n=360114mpp=160layers=SEA.PLA.FP.BR.RB.BOAT /hLayer=hField=hValue= suggest that they might. Hmm, where do you see field information on that? I just zoomed in to a couple of areas that I knew and verified that the black lines (boundaries of one sort or another) matched where I recall the field boundaries to be. I only found one that looked a bit iffy - most were surprisingly (to me, given my earlier comment) accurate. As for adding field boundaries by doing ground surveys, I think this is too impossibly enormous a task, even for enthusiastic OSM mappers. Perhaps we could install GPS devices on every tractor in the country ... ... or every sheep? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM
I've sent Dr Mund and Mr Tean Peang Seng an email inviting them to join the discussion. :-) On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/23 paul youlten paul.youl...@gmail.com: This looks interesting: +1 http://www.slideshare.net/jpmund/aerial-photo-ballon-technique-mapasia2006 Does anyone know Jan-Peter Mund? don't know him, but he's not difficult to find (1st hit in g00gle ;-) http://www.staff.uni-mainz.de/mund/index.html cheers, Martin -- Tel: +44(0) 7814 517 807 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM
2009/9/23 paul youlten paul.youl...@gmail.com: I've sent Dr Mund and Mr Tean Peang Seng an email inviting them to join the discussion. sorry, the page I linkes seems outdated (2002 I guess from the context). There is more sites about him here: http://www.xing.com/profile/JanPeter_Mund and here: http://www.dlr.de/caf/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-2529/3787_read-17919/sortby-lastname/ cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] trunk_link ref=*
Hi I've trunk_link going form one trunk to another. They have different references. Do I add a ref=*. If so which one? The one it's leaving or the one it's going to? Cheers Dave F. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Own aerial photos
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Matt Williams li...@milliams.comwrote: Take a look at http://milliams.com/verticalitymetre/, http://milliams.com/verticalitymetre/stats.php and http://milliams.com/verticalitymetre/map.html. These were some tools I threw together to rate the photos on how vertical they were and show the results on a map. As you will see, Stratford-upon-Avon is in the Midlands, not too far from Coventry and Birmingham. Thanks. I had found the correct city (you guys and your -upon-Avon citynames :-) ) and was trying to track down where each image was taken. A few hours spent in Microsoft Research's map crunching app and I get this: http://osm.mapki.com/cruncher/ I didn't let it render all the tiles (had to head home), and the interface is the ugly Bing API, but you get the idea... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] good news: shapefile usage of ramsar sites for openstreetmap.org
On 23/09/2009, at 13.46, Jason Cunningham wrote: To repeat, I am not saying the data must not be used, I am simply raising an issue because I think there may be a problem. I don't trust the British Government and OS. I would genuinely surprised (and pleased) if JNCC had paid OS to remove copyright. I also look forward to seeing Ramsar sites added. Thank you for your reply! I am sorry if my initial message to this thread sounded overly harsh. IANAL, but my perspective on the matter is this: By entering into the Ramsar convention, the contracting parties have made certain commitments, foremost of course an obligation to take care of the protected areas. In addition, the contracting parties have had to make certain deliverables, which for example is like is stated in [0], point vi): Supporting communications, education and public awareness. The publicly-accessible Web-based RSIS forms an important component of the Convention’s CEPA delivery by ensuring that full and up-to-date information on each designated Ramsar site is widely available, in order to secure wide public recognition of this key pillar of the implementation of the Convention by its Parties. This suggests to me that the contracting parties cannot withhold something as basic as copyright, because that would be a violation of their commitments towards the treaty. Finally, it is my impression that you cannot hold a copyright on information, only the physical (i.e. paper or digital) representation of it. So the information contained in the polygonal shape of the affected areas would be free for the government to give away. Again, IANAL. Cheers, Morten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] The OpenStreetMap website is now translatable at Translatewiki
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: But which OSM components does this cover? I'm assuming this only covers the main OSM website (and the wiki indirectly since MediaWiki is already in TranslateWiki) but not Potlatch, and the other editors. It's only the website at the moment as Siebrand says. But it would be very nice to add other OpenStreetMap applications, the most obvious next step being Potlatch. To add Potlatch some internal changes need to be done in Potlatch itself. I've filed a bug detailing what these are: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2304 I've now fixed Potlatch up so that it can be Translated on Translatewiki. Now it just needs to be imported into Translatewiki. I've put up a notice on the OSM wiki so that confused Translators won't use it in the interim: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php?title=Template:Potlatch/Translationdiff=345246oldid=302899 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Field boundaries
I've been thinking a bit about this from a very different perspective - that of parks and other open public areas where you might not have a chance to walk the perimeter ... for instance, you've a dog who really doesn't want that boring walk around the edge, but bobs and weaves all about the space and this might be one of only a couple of potential visits you might be able to make to the site. I think that an accumulation of unordered points over time either by one person or multiple people who capture GPS information _incidentally_ would be useful in defining the core of the public (or private, in the case of tractors on farmland) space. There's no need to gather tracks, merely points. Let the accumulation of points define the space. This is something of a corollary to the notion of wisdom of the crowd and it can be seen in action in the United States on major thoroughfares, such as the interstate highways, where the accumulation of multiple tracks over time can be used to define a way. user id on openstreemap = ceyockey ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OpenStreetView - documentation?
I've signed up at the OpenStreetView site, but it does not appear that there is significant documentation available, nor a method for discussion. Could someone say something to this? Perhaps this is coming in the future - it would be helpful to known this. --openstreetmap login = ceyockey ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM (balloon-based aerial photography)
I briefly looked at the slide pack that was referenced in this thread ... this looks like a perfect high school science project (from a United States perspective). It would be awesome if we could introduce this as an annual school science project with the aim to photograph one area that has undergone construction (to completion) in the past year. I know a couple of people who engage in high school liaisons through corporate connections and this seems a perfect thing to propose through that line of communication. Cheers. -- openstreetmap login = ceyockey ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetView - documentation?
You'll find most of the documentation on the wiki at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org. This mailing list you've posted to is the primary source of discussion. There are other lists as well for more specific topics (newbies, legal, etc) as well as for specific countries. -Jeremy On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:10 PM, courtland.yoc...@mindspring.com wrote: I've signed up at the OpenStreetView site, but it does not appear that there is significant documentation available, nor a method for discussion. Could someone say something to this? Perhaps this is coming in the future - it would be helpful to known this. --openstreetmap login = ceyockey ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] trunk_link ref=*
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:16:14PM +0100, Dave F. wrote: Hi I've trunk_link going form one trunk to another. They have different references. Do I add a ref=*. If so which one? The one it's leaving or the one it's going to? Just a thought i had on this - Typically you'll have 2 trunk links, each with a one way on them. My thought was to put the other ref on it - So when you go from trunk ref=a to trunk ref=b via trunk_link 1 you'll put ref=b on it - On the other trunk link you'll you from trunk b to a you add ref=a to it. The idea behind it is that the navigation software will tell you Keep right to trunk ref b Not - Keep right and continue on ref a and later a Join trunk ref b When leaving the trunk with a ref a (on a trunk_link) you are heading towards a new trunk so you put the new ref on it ... Flo -- Florian Lohoff f...@rfc822.org Es ist ein grobes Missverständnis und eine Fehlwahrnehmung, dem Staat im Internet Zensur- und Überwachungsabsichten zu unterstellen. - - Bundesminister Dr. Wolfgang Schäuble -- 10. Juli in Berlin signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Field boundaries
Right to roam in England and Wales exists only on Open Access Land - which is most unlikely to be cropped. Elsewhere our rights are only on public highways (which include public rights of way) or by permission. Where a public right of way crosses a crop it is likely to be a trespass too go around the crop (off the right of way) but there is a legal right to walk through the crop (and a legal duty on the tenant or landowner to reinstate the right of way through the crop). It would be great to get the field boundary data as in farmed rural areas this is the most useful means of navigation (other than a GPS!), the greatest use I make in the field of OS 1:25k mapping and - for me - the greatest lacuna in OSM! Beyond actual surveying by bearings from points where I have the right to be (which is always going to be a slow, laborious and incomplete process) I cannot see a practical solution other than open-source aerial/satellite photography. OS one-inch (or 1:50k) mapping does not show field boundaries. But is anyone working on out-of-copyright 1:25k (or larger scale) mapping? Mike Harris _ From: Jack Stringer [mailto:jack.ix...@googlemail.com] Sent: 23 September 2009 22:07 Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Field boundaries Well if somone does map the fields please could they put the gates on there. It would be nice to route people to the nearest gate. We do have the right to roam but those of who live in the countryside have always had that option we just used our common sense by not walking down the middle of crops. I keep thinking there must be a way to get the field data from the farmers if only it was to sit down and draw from a walking street map. Jack Stringer On Sep 23, 2009 2:39 PM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Someoneelse lists at mail.atownsend.org.uk writes: In the UK, certainly large-scale Ordnance ... Hmm, perhaps then tracing it from out-of-copyright maps is not such a bad idea... Although most likely the one-inch maps currently emerging from copyright do not have the field boundaries. That doesn't mean they don't have some other more accurate data in a format not readily reprod... Hmm, where do you see field information on that? In areas where there's complete public access (Open Access Land) Ah yes, Open Access... http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/ourwork/enjoying/places/openaccess/ lets you see these areas superimposed on OS maps, but I didn't see a place to download the whole data set. Has anyone asked? As for adding field boundaries by doing ground surveys, I think this is too impossibly enormous a task, even for enthusiastic OSM mappers. Perhaps we could install GPS devices on every tractor in the country and over a couple of years record ploughing patterns, which would let you deduce the shape of arable fields... -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http:/... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] hier.nl mobiel
Waar zitten de OSM tiles dan??? Mooie url trouwens :) Groet, Floris PS: OpenStreetMap BE discussion list talk-nl@openstreetmap.org BE Martijn van Exel wrote: He OSMers, De mobiele app van hier.nl (ilse media) gebruikt OSM-tiles, maar ik kan nergens attributie vinden. Heeft iemand hier al eens naar gekeken? Grt Martijn martijn van exel http://schaaltreinen.nl/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] hier.nl mobiel
Ik kom er net achter dat de mobiele toepassing een samenwerking is van Ilse Media met Nulaz. Henk Op 23 september 2009 13:05 heeft Henk Hoff toffeh...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: Bedankt voor de tip. Ik neem even contact met nu op. Gr, Henk Hoff Op 23 september 2009 12:09 heeft Frank Fesevur f...@users.sourceforge.net het volgende geschreven: Als je in het rechtermenu onder het filmpje op Klik hier om meer te lezen klikt kom je op http://www.hier.nl/about/mobile Gegroet, Frank Op 23 september 2009 12:06 heeft Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu het volgende geschreven: Waar zitten de OSM tiles dan??? Mooie url trouwens :) Groet, Floris PS: OpenStreetMap BE discussion list talk-nl@openstreetmap.org BE Martijn van Exel wrote: He OSMers, De mobiele app van hier.nl (ilse media) gebruikt OSM-tiles, maar ik kan nergens attributie vinden. Heeft iemand hier al eens naar gekeken? Grt Martijn martijn van exel http://schaaltreinen.nl/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [talk-au] Gatton, QLD
Ross Scanlon i...@... writes: On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:03:08 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@... wrote: [[snip]] I came to the conclusion that putting streets in, even without names is very valuable because other people with local knowledge can fill in the blanks without needing a GPS, at least that's how it'd work in theory :) Yeah, I still don't have a GPS :(, but that hasn't stopped me making a large contribution (most time consuming work is in visiting streets for names POI) Also don't forget to mark them as source=survey if from a gps trace. That way others will know they are generally accurate. I think the preferred attribution scheme is to use source=gps as that is what the actual source is survey is ambiguous with proper survey equipment. As for roundabouts, they're a bit of hassle and I'd love for JOSM to do it better but any way as things are I either draw a square and then add mid points between the 4 corners to turn it into a roundabout, or I draw a triangle and hit shift+o, neither is perfect but perfection isn't generally achievable anyway. I do the same. Generally if you do the roads and put a node at about 10m from the crossing point on each road then join the nodes in a clockwise direction it will give a reasonable roundabout when rendered. BTW, Potlatch Mercator handle roundabouts now (Mercator for year(s) now) BlueMM ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Gatton, QLD
2009/9/23 BlueMM bluemm1975-...@yahoo.com: I think the preferred attribution scheme is to use source=gps as that is what the actual source is survey is ambiguous with proper survey equipment. No, source=survey isn't ambiguous at all it's spelt out clearly on the map features page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Annotation ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Gatton, QLD
2009/9/23 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: No, source=survey isn't ambiguous at all it's spelt out clearly on the map features page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Annotation Actually, that is ambiguous - or rather incomplete. It says gpx track or other physical survey There is no distinction between gps (accuracy +/- 5-10m) and a theodolite (or whatever they use these days) survey - accuracy +/- 2-3cm). The argument goes that we should leave the survey tag for real surveys, and use gps for gps based ones. This comes up in the talk list from time to time - I haven't seen it lately, though. Personally I think it's too late to salvage the survey tag now, if we want to make the distinction we'd need to create two other tags and start using them instead. Or assume all survey tags are low quality, but you wouldn't be sure. This is the argument for using source=gps - at least we're splitting it off from survey so that we know which type of survey it is, and we're not losing the data if we decide we should differentiate later. As a side note, I get the impression that the complaints about tagging GPS tracks as survey often come from professionals in the geospace fields. The idea of calling something as approximate as a gps track a survey just freaks them right out. And they worry that people who acquire the data might misunderstand the tag - it has a technical meaning that we are not using. Stephen ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Gatton, QLD
2009/9/23 Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com: There is no distinction between gps (accuracy +/- 5-10m) and a theodolite (or whatever they use these days) survey - accuracy +/- 2-3cm). The argument goes that we should leave the survey tag for real surveys, and use gps for gps based ones. This comes up in the talk list from time to time - I haven't seen it lately, though. Personally I think it's too late to salvage the survey tag now, if we want to make the distinction we'd need to create two other tags and start using them instead. Or assume all survey tags are low quality, but you wouldn't be sure. As I said a while back, anything from a surveyor could probably be tagged source=surveyor to easily distinguish it. This is the argument for using source=gps - at least we're splitting it off from survey so that we know which type of survey it is, and we're not losing the data if we decide we should differentiate later. source=survey survey=gps gps=model As a side note, I get the impression that the complaints about tagging GPS tracks as survey often come from professionals in the geospace fields. The idea of calling something as approximate as a gps track a survey just freaks them right out. And they worry that people who acquire the data might misunderstand the tag - it has a technical meaning that we are not using. Consumer grade GPS' may not have sub-metre accuracy, but surveyors never used to have such accuracy either, so just stating the source that came from a surveyor you would also need to know what type of equipment the surveyor was using etc. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Gatton, QLD
John Smith deltafoxtrot...@... writes: 2009/9/23 BlueMM bluemm1975-...@...: I think the preferred attribution scheme is to use source=gps as that is what the actual source is survey is ambiguous with proper survey equipment. No, source=survey isn't ambiguous at all it's spelt out clearly on the map features page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Annotation just because it's on the wiki... Seriously, I think most on this list know the wiki isn't some authority on OSM, it's editable by anyone (even I added the source:name/ref tags to Map Features). When I used to read the Talk lists (now contains too many posts) some of the serious OSM contributors distrusted or even shunned the wiki, because anyone can come along and document anything, including voting on tagging policy using only a tiny fraction of users to vote (there is a lot of distrust in voting). Of course, opinions may of changed in the last 6 months or so. Anyway, back to the point, the source=survey issue was brought up a while ago on Talk and a few contributors that I respect for their opinions said that source=gps would be better when collecting the data from GPS (presumably consumer grade GPS). I'd argue that source=survey is ambiguous because you have to look up the definition to discover what it means. Imagine going up to a non-OSM user and asking them to guess what was used for collecting mapping data when it is marked as source=survey. I envisage the day when more edits come from new users than experienced contributors, especially as barriers are being reduced over time, therefore I think reducing ambiguities is important. That's my opinion, but I don't see the harm in being more accurate, especially when people are allowed to tag anyway they want. I have will continue to recommend source=gps for those sourcing their gps data. BTW, most ways POI's aren't sourced anyway, so will have to be retraced or rechecked anyway :-( BlueMM ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Gatton, QLD
2009/9/23 BlueMM bluemm1975-...@yahoo.com: Seriously, I think most on this list know the wiki isn't some authority on OSM, it's editable by anyone (even I added the source:name/ref tags to Map Features). When I used to read the Talk lists (now contains too many posts) some of the serious OSM contributors distrusted or even shunned the wiki, because anyone can come along and document anything, including voting on tagging policy using only a tiny fraction of users to vote (there is a lot of distrust in voting). Of course, opinions may of changed in the last 6 months or so. The problem is if you ignore the wiki things will become inconsistent. It's not a case of the wiki being right, wrong or indifferent, it's a case of if most people are doing that you should too. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
