date:20191112

> est-ce vraiment utile d'ajouter un nom de domaine qui est dédié à des 
> redirections sur une autre url : si je comprends bien le cas que tu présentes.
> 
Oui pour documenter « facilement » la clé flickr. 
Regarde le contenu du fichier de configuration 
> je suppose que c'est cela qui le fait râler ? 
> 
J’ai trouvé une doc, et même la page wiki a éditer (mais seul un administrateur 
 a le droit de le faire)
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist

> Et je ne sais pas ni ne peut faire quoique que ce soit :)
> 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:Contact ne fonctionne pas

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:EmailUser avec Admins comme 
destinataire ?
J’ai essayé, on verra si quelqu’un répond.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Le filtre anti spam du wiki râle

2019-11-12 Thread Vincent Bergeot


Le 12/11/2019 à 18:52, Yves P. a écrit :

Bonsoir,

Quand je veux ajouter cette URL ça coince : https://flic.kr/p/2h8YVBv 


Mais ça passe avec https://www.flickr.com/photos/184008719@N06/48660722927

Est-ce que quelqu’un peut autoriser ce nom de domaine ?


est-ce vraiment utile d'ajouter un nom de domaine qui est dédié à des 
redirections sur une autre url : si je comprends bien le cas que tu 
présentes.


je suppose que c'est cela qui le fait râler ?

Et je ne sais pas ni ne peut faire quoique que ce soit :)

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Re: [talk-au] local traffic only

2019-11-12 Thread Luke Stewart

The "local traffic only" sign is not present in the QLD, NSW, or Australian
Road Rules legislation, nor is an explanation of what it means. Councils
don't have the power to restrict the use of a road to "local traffic" under
the Local Government Act, at least as far as I can understand.

http://www6.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/vic/consol_act/lga1989182/sch10.html

http://www6.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/vic/consol_act/lga1989182/sch11.html

It's not on the page of Road Signs in Australia, although I acknowledge it
may be incomplete.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_signs_in_Australia

It seems to me it's similar to a "No Through Road" sign—merely advisory.
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Re: [Talk-se] Finns interesse för att börja en Svensk lokalförening?

2019-11-12 Thread Andreas Vilén

Vet inte hur mycket Malmö/Lund-folk det finns kvar. Vi har inte haft någon 
sammankomst på länge men om du är på genomresa kanske det är anledning god som 
någon att försöka dra ihop något.

Med vänlig hälsning,
Andreas

Skickat från min iPhone

> 11 nov. 2019 kl. 22:14 skrev Erik Johansson :
> 
> Jag är på att träffas lokalt igen, skulle vara kul att träffa
> Lund/Malmö folket någon gång. Jag sitter i Stockholm själv och vi hade
> ju möten förr.
> 
> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 9:56 AM Axel Pettersson
>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hej,
>> I den mån OSM-gemenskapen vill ha det kommer ett glatt hejarop från 
>> Wikimedia Sverige[1]. Vill ni ha stöd på något sätt hjälper vi gärna till, 
>> oavsett om det gäller organisatoriska frågor eller en ansökan om bidrag[2] 
>> för att kunna träffas eller åka på någon konferens.
>> 
>> [1] https://wikimedia.se/om-oss/
>> [2] 
>> https://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Projekt:St%C3%B6d_till_gemenskapen_2019#Bidrag
>> 
>> Bästa hälsningar,
>> /axel
>> 
>> 
>> Axel Pettersson
>> Projektledare GLAM/Outreach
>> Wikimedia Sverige
>> 
>> +46 (0)733 96 55 65
>> axel.petters...@wikimedia.se
>> 
>> Twitter: @Haxpett
>> 
>> Stöd fri kunskap, bli medlem i Wikimedia Sverige.
>> Läs mer på wikimedia.se/sv/blimedlem
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Den sön 10 nov. 2019 kl 12:02 skrev Christian Asker 
>> :
>>> 
>>> Hej. Jag tycker att det är en bra idé, även om jag just nu har för
>>> mycket föreningsengagemang för att själv engagera mig. Några fysiska
>>> träffar vore ju kul!
>>> 
>>> Mvh Christian
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 Den 2019-11-10 kl. 09:34, skrev pangoSE:
 Hej
 
 Jag skulle vilja stärka vår sammanhållning och ha möjlighet att träffa
 nån av er andra som håller på i Sverige. Därutöver skulle jag vilja ha
 möjlighet att skicka nån till Advisory Board och att vi tillsammans
 tar ställning för sånt som är viktigt för oss som ideella deltagare i
 projektet.
 
 Trots att jag varit aktiv i snart 10 år har jag bara träffat en annan
 lokalt (Blajo).
 
 Finns det interesse att få igång en förening?
 Hur många är vi egentligen här på listan?
 
 Se https://welcome.openstreetmap.org/about-osm-community/local-chapters/
 
 Mvh
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Computer advice

2019-11-12 Thread Tadeusz Cantwell

I would add that getting a laptop with at least a HD or 1080p screen will
help. Anything less and mapping can get pixilated and harder to see what a
thing is. It works the other way as well, a 1440p screen can give better
clarity as well having used both. That does add a few hundred dollars to
the price, so it depends on your budget.

On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 at 19:58, Mateusz Konieczny 
wrote:

> 11 Nov 2019, 23:16 by montg...@fuse.net:
>
> >  2. I could obtain a copy of ArcGIS.  Or do you use QGIS?
> >
> It highly depends on a situation (integrating with existing systems,
> who would pay for ArcGis licences, needed features), but I would consider
> QGIS as generally preferable as it is an open source and without expensive
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Re: [talk-au] New imageries in AU

2019-11-12 Thread Nemanja Bracko (E-Search) via Talk-au

Hi guys!

I’m in New Zealand, so I would be glad to meet you all and to chat regarding 
this (and other topics) if you have time.

The problem is that we are not aware and we are not informed once there is a 
new imagery for some particular area in AU.
What we are looking is to have some aggregated service/platform/mailing system 
where we can get information (or to be informed by email) once providers 
updates their imagery.
For example, we were informed about LPI update earlier this year (via talk-AU), 
but if there is just a small area, we are not being informed at all.

Side note: I have met Ewen in person yesterday, so we have agreed that he will 
publicly send bounding boxes of intermittent rivers/streams, so we will be able 
to respect these boundaries and we will be able to tag these missing water 
bodies properly.

Thanks,
Nemanja

Od: Ewen Hill 
Poslato: petak, 08. novembar 2019. 19:40
Za: Andrew Harvey 
Cc: Nemanja Bracko (E-Search) ; OSM Australian Talk 
List 
Tema: Re: [talk-au] New imageries in AU

Nemanja,
   Thank you for all the hard work. I am not a huge fan of using the Wiki as a 
basis as it will require a lot of work to keep it updated and if Alice Springs 
is updated, who will notice?

 Unless we could visualise the latest imagery by dates automatically, I would 
suggest that you just need to pop back and visit quarterly. Perhaps we could 
take a snapshot of tiles in specific 
place.to
 check for variances?

  Also on another note, can you let your team know that most streams and rivers 
are intermittent outside the east coast Great Dividing Range and coastal areas 
and unless it declared a river, then it is probably a stream. A lot of 
Australia will appear to have stream lines but in reality will only be streams 
for exceedingly short periods after a thunderstorm.  There are a few rivers 
being added into OSM in the desert by the team that probably haven't seen water 
for 8 years as permanent and that you need to add fords or bridges to existing 
highways.

Have a great weekend

Ewen



On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 at 15:28, Andrew Harvey 
mailto:andrew.harv...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Active mappers who regularly check out the different imagery layers can usually 
tell when one gets refreshed with new imagery, but it does vary a lot based on 
location.

What if we had a wiki page, that tried to loosely track imagery freshness.

eg. just a list of cities Sydney with info like "currently freshest is Maxar". 
or "ESRI appeared to refresh within the last 6 months", etc. What do you think?

Keep in mind (this is even something I need to do better at), when armchair 
mapping from aerial imagery or street level imagery it's always a good idea to 
check the last edit date of the feature you're editing. If it's a few years old 
then it's usually safe to replace, but if it's within the last 6 months it 
could well be more current than the imagery.

On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 at 01:58, Nemanja Bracko (E-Search) via Talk-au 
mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>> wrote:
Hi all,

Do we have any possibility to be informed once there is a new imagery published 
by other providers (Maxar, Esri, Mapbox, etc.)?
We are trying to develop the process which will involve constant update of AU 
map, but we are not sure how to focus to areas which might have most recent 
imagery?

Thank you in advance,
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[Talk-de] [Entwurf] Gemeinsame Position zur Zukunft des iD-Editors

2019-11-12 Thread Michael Reichert

Crossposting:
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=768763#p768763

TL;DR Lasst uns mal ein gemeinsames Statement zum Umgang mit den
iD-Maintainern finden.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Nakaner/Forderungen_zur_Zukunft_von_iD
Eine Abstimmung gibt es dann später, wenn sich Zustimmung abzeichnet.

Hallo,

die Entwicklung des iD-Editors treibt sein einigen Monaten mir und
anderen Sorgenfalten auf die Stirn. Sie ist geprägt von einer
absolutistischen Grundeinstellung, die in OSM bei einem derart zentralen
und einflussreichen Projekt nicht existieren sollte. Wiederholt waren
Entscheidungen der iD-Hauptentwickler auf den Mailinglisten Talk und
Tagging diskutiert worden; zwei Mailinglisten, die als die
Diskussionsräume in OSM gelten (Tagging insbesondere für Tagging).
Wiederholt haben die iD-Hauptentwickler durchblicken lassen, dass ihnen
die Community am Allerwertesten verbeigeht und scheuen auch nicht vor
Beleidigungen der Community auf der Mailingliste [1] zurück. In der
Wochennotiz war das schon ein paar Mal Thema.

Geändert hat sich seitdem nichts. Eine Code of Conduct-Beschwerde [2]
war parktisch wirkungslos. Der Vorstand hat zwar im Mai/Juni Bryan
Housel (den älteren der beiden Hauptentwickler) um ein Gespräch gebeten,
das kam aber nicht zustande.

Neben dem Durchdrücken eigener Taggingvorstellungen (nichts Neues, meine
Recherche hat mich zu drei Jahren alten Tickets geführt) haben wir mit
dem iD-Editor mittlerweile auch ein Datenschutzproblem, das uns in
Deutschland öffentlich sicherlich nicht willkommen ist: Der iD-Editor
lädt Firmenlogos von graph.facebook.com. [3] Mal ehrlich, wenn ich eine
freie Karte editiere, will ich nicht, dass meine Daten zu Facebook
abfließen!

Dass die iD-Hauptentwickler das Feature gut finden, ist keine
Überraschung. Die Reaktion war, die GitHub-Issue zu sperren [4] (d.h.
keine Kommentare mehr möglich) und im gesamten Repository das
Kommentieren bestehender und Anlegen neuer Issues zu deaktiveren.
Frederik, der sich bislang nur vorsichtig kritisch auf Mailinglisten zu
der Sache geäußert hat, ist in seinem Benutzer-Blog am Samstag der
Kragen geplatzt. Er hat dort praktisch gefordert, die sich
missbräuchlich verhaltenden iD-Maintainer vor die Tür zu setzen. Lest
selbst: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/woodpeck/diary/391175

Der Blogeintrag hat mich dazu motiviert, einen Entwurf für ein Statement
der deutschen Community zum Umgang mti den iD-Hauptentwicklern zu
schreiben. Hinweis: Der erläuternde Teil ist nicht neutral.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Nakaner/Forderungen_zur_Zukunft_von_iD

Hier die Kernforderungen des Statements:
- Die Facebook-Aufrufe müssen umgehend weg.
- Benutzersperren und Diskussionssperren auf GitHub müssen von jemand
anderem als den Hauptentwicklern entschieden werden.
- Auf osm.org kommt bis auf Weiteres der Fork von Frédéric Rodrigo zum
Einsatz, der den iD Community-Konsens-konform angepasst hat.
- Die Betreuung der Taggingvorlagen und Validierungsregeln wird in ein
eigenes Projekt verschoben. Das wird von einem eigenständigen Komitee
betreut. Bis zur Umsetzung dieser Änderung wird Frédérics Fork verwendet.

Was haltet ihr von dem Entwurf? Änderungen sind willkommen.

Sollte sich Zustimmung abzeichnen, werde ich den Entwurf zur Abstimmung
in der deutschen Community stellen.

Mir ist bewusst, dass der Umgang mit den iD-Hauptentwicklern nicht schön
ist. Ihr Umgang mit den Leuten auf der Mailingliste, mit denen, die ihre
Tags und Massenedits diskutieren, ist jedoch unanständig und ein nicht
hinnehmbare Griff nach der Macht in OSM (und wir wissen bei einem der
Quincy Morgan nicht einmal, wer ihn wirklich bezahlt, vielleicht Apple?)

Viele Grüße

Michael



[1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2019-May/082609.html
[2] https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/6442
[3] Firefox blockt das, wenn der Verfolgungsschutz aktiv ist.
[4] https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/7028#event-2779977120



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Re: [Talk-ca] cyclosm.org

2019-11-12 Thread Pierre Béland via Talk-ca

Les développeurs de osm-fr ont partiellement rétabli. 

Voir discussions à ce sujet sur talk-fr 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-fr/2019-November/094895.html
Si autres problèmes n'hésitez pas à leur signaler sur talk-fr. 
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Re: [Talk-at] Windy Map

2019-11-12 Thread PPete


Am 12.11.2019 um 20:45 schrieb Robert Grübler:

Hallo Leute,

Der letzte Wochennotiz hat mich auf die Windy Map aufmerksam gemacht. Schöne
Karte, zweifellos.
Ja vermutlich im Outdoorbereich (Wanderrouten, Radfahren, Höhenlinien, 
Berggipfel) die derzeit schönste OSM-Karte. Auch ansonsten (Städte, 
Straßen) recht übersichtlich. Sie ist aber keine Erfindung von Windy, 
sondern entspricht der "Wanderkarte" auf mapy.cz

Sofern nicht beide eh irgendwie miteinander verbandelt sind.

Das mit dem Copyright ist tatsächlich mehr als versteckt, ich konnte es 
zunächst trotz Hinweis wo ich schauen muss, nicht erkennen ;-) (weiße 
Mini-schrift auf hellst grauem Hintergrund)


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] tuiles cycleosm.org inaccessibles

Le 12.11.19 à 22:40, Pierre Béland via Talk-fr a écrit :
> marc marc a écrit
> 
>> oui, on y bosse, plus d'info suivront
> 
> Merci, la carte s'affiche à nouveau correctement.

info partielle (parce qu'on est encore entrain dessus)
le mécanisme d'expiration des tuiles semble avoir subit un double bug :
- il ne terminait pas
- il se lancait une 2ieme fois meme quand l'exécution précédente
n'était pas finie.
conséquence : cela s'est accumulé jusque 32 000 :) et les perfs
se sont évidement écroulée.
on a tué/redémarré le tout. on est entrain de voir pq les limites
n'ont pas fonctionné comme attendue.

Si vous voyez une anomalie, n'hésitez pas à le signaler :)
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[Talk-at] Statutarstadt Grenzen (war: name:suffix & name:prefix (de))

2019-11-12 Thread andreas wecer

Am Sa., 9. Nov. 2019 um 03:39 Uhr schrieb Robert Kaiser :

> IMHO ist diese Relation sowieso falsch (und ev. alle Statutarstädte).
> [..]. Das sollten IMHO zwei relationen mit zwei verschiedenen Namen und
> admin_levels sein,
> aber mit gleichen members.


Die einzelne Relation würde dem steinzeitlichen Wiki-Artikel entsprechen

Für Statutarstädte gibt es keine Gemeinde-Grenzen, da diese mit dem Bezirk
> ident sind.


der sich allerdings auch selbst widerspricht

Die Summe der Flächen aller Einheiten einer Ebene sollte jeweils das ganze
> Staatsgebiet umfassen, also ist jeder Punkt in Österreich sowohl einer
> Katastralgemeinde, einer Gemeinde, einem Bezirk, einem Bundesland und dem
> Bund selber zuordenbar.


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Austria/Gebietskörperschaften

Ich habe jetzt die restlichen Statutarstädte durchgeschaut

Nur Bezirksgrenzen (admin_level=6) haben:
Eisenstadt
Rust
Steyr
Villach
Wels

Bezirksgrenze (6) und Katastralgemeinden (10):
Linz
Salzburg

Bezirksgrenze (6) und Stadtbezirke (9):
Graz
Innsbruck
Klagenfurt

Bezirksgrenze (6) und Gemeindegrenze (8):
Krems
St. Pölten
Waidhofen
Wr. Neustadt

Land (4), Stadtbezirke (9) und Katastralgemeinden (10):
Wien

Soweit ich das sehe müssten die 16 Unterbereiche von Linz statt admin_level
10 auch 9 bekommen:

> Seit 1. Jänner 2014 (Beschluss des Stadtsenates vom September 2013) ist
> die Stadt in 16 statistische Bezirke eingeteilt

[...] Etwas abweichend davon gliedert sich die Stadt grundbücherlich in 14
> Katastralgemeinden

 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linz#Stadtgliederung

Es existierten auch schon in allen Fällen zusätzliche Gemeindegrenzen
(evtl. mit Ausnahme Wien), die mit diesen Changesets wieder entfernt wurden:
OSMCha: https://tinyurl.com/yjmhbw3d
und https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/24423298

was nur in NÖ durch fkv rückgängig gemacht wurde, siehe:
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=59448
und
http://osm-talk-at.1116557.n5.nabble.com/Talk-at-Loschung-bzw-Anderungen-von-ca-240-Grenzen-in-AT-td1821.html

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] tuiles cycleosm.org inaccessibles

2019-11-12 Thread Pierre Béland via Talk-fr

marc marc a écrit> oui, on y bosse, plus d'info suivrontMerci, la carte 
s'affiche à nouveau correctement.
 
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] tuiles cycleosm.org inaccessibles

Le 12.11.19 à 22:01, Pierre Béland via Talk-fr a écrit :

> Problème temporaire ?

oui, on y bosse, plus d'info suivront
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[OSM-talk-fr] tuiles cycleosm.org inaccessibles

2019-11-12 Thread Pierre Béland via Talk-fr

Sur la liste talk-ca, les contributeurs rapportent ne pouvoir afficher la 
couche cycleosm dans cycleosm.org. Voici ci-dessous un lien vers une des tuiles 
sur tile.openstreetmap.org.
https://dev.c.tile.openstreetmap.fr/cyclosm/12/2076/1412.png
Problème temporaire ?
 
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Re: [Talk-at] Windy Map

2019-11-12 Thread Robert Grübler

Hi Adlerauge,
Kompliment, gut gefunden :-)
Und ja, das grenzt an Frechheit, weil man die Absicht spürt.

LG Robert


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Manuela Schmidt [mailto:manuela.schm...@tuwien.ac.at] 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. November 2019 21:27
An: talk-at@openstreetmap.org
Betreff: Re: [Talk-at] Windy Map

Hallo Robert,

danke für den Hinweis. Keinerlei Attributierung stimmt nicht ganz: Unten rechts 
in der Ecke steht "(C) OSM & contributors" - aber in 8px weißer Schrift mit 70% 
Transparenz!

Ich versteh nicht, warum sie das so verstecken: Abgesehen davon, dass es den 
MapperInnen gegenüber frech ist, erhöht eine sinnvolle Quellenangabe doch auch 
die Glaubwürdigkeit des eigenen Produkts.

LG Manu


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Re: [Talk-ca] cyclosm.org

2019-11-12 Thread Pierre Béland via Talk-ca

confirmation que inopérant avec exemple de requête de tuile
https://dev.c.tile.openstreetmap.fr/cyclosm/12/2076/1412.png Je vais signaler 
le problème sur talk-fr

Pierre 
 

Le mardi 12 novembre 2019 15 h 33 min 43 s UTC−5, Alouette955 
 a écrit :  
 
 En effet la couche CyclOSM de cette carte ne se rafraichit plus. En activant 
l’icone “Information” à gauche on peut lire, entre autre:
 The tile server hosting this demonstration is provided by 
Peut-être est-ce là la raison et espérons que ça passera le stade de 
démonstration. En attendant je vous invite ici à y activer les couches 
OpenStreetMap.org surtout en ajoutant la couche Waymarked trail. On y voit 
toutes les relations NCN, RCN, LCN en surcouche. Isolés comme ça il est facile 
de trouver les segments non “relationnalisés”. J’y apprend la création des RM19 
et RM23 sur l’île Perrot ... probablement à titre de test??? Claude From: 
Pierre Boucher Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 2:45 PMTo: 
talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-ca] cyclosm.org La carte cyclosm.org 
semble avoir un problème...  




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Re: [Talk-ca] cyclosm.org

2019-11-12 Thread Alouette955

En effet la couche CyclOSM de cette carte ne se rafraichit plus.

En activant l’icone “Information” à gauche on peut lire, entre autre:
  The tile server hosting this demonstration is provided by 
Peut-être est-ce là la raison et espérons que ça passera le stade de 
démonstration.

En attendant je vous invite ici à y activer les couches OpenStreetMap.org 
surtout en ajoutant la couche Waymarked trail.

On y voit toutes les relations NCN, RCN, LCN en surcouche. Isolés comme ça il 
est facile de trouver les segments non “relationnalisés”.

J’y apprend la création des RM19 et RM23 sur l’île Perrot ... probablement à 
titre de test???

Claude

From: Pierre Boucher 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 2:45 PM
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Subject: [Talk-ca] cyclosm.org

La carte cyclosm.org semble avoir un problème... 




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Re: [Talk-at] Windy Map

2019-11-12 Thread Manuela Schmidt


Hallo Robert,

danke für den Hinweis. Keinerlei Attributierung stimmt nicht ganz: Unten 
rechts in der Ecke steht "(C) OSM & contributors" - aber in 8px weißer 
Schrift mit 70% Transparenz!


Ich versteh nicht, warum sie das so verstecken: Abgesehen davon, dass es 
den MapperInnen gegenüber frech ist, erhöht eine sinnvolle Quellenangabe 
doch auch die Glaubwürdigkeit des eigenen Produkts.


LG Manu


Am 12.11.2019 um 20:45 schrieb Robert Grübler:

Hallo Leute,

Der letzte Wochennotiz hat mich auf die Windy Map aufmerksam gemacht. Schöne
Karte, zweifellos.
Zumindest in meiner Gegend basiert mit Sicherheit auf OSM-Daten. Vergleicht
selbst:
https://abload.de/img/omm_windy_sparkek47.jpg
Der Sparmarkt ist neu, den gibt es so auf keinen Luftbild zu sehen. Das weiß
ich, weil ich es gemappt habe.

Was auffällt: keinerlei Attributierung an OSM!
https://www.windy.com/de/-Wanderkarte-map?map,47.051,15.470,18

Mir scheint, dass verstößt gegen die Lizenzbestimmungen. Oder?

Liebe Grüße
Robert (robhubi)



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[OSM-talk-fr] Bug dans le wiki

Re-bonsoir,

J’ai collé un emoticon/emoji  dans une discussion, mais à l’édition tout le 
texte qui le suit est « effacé ».
Je ne connais pas la version de notre wikimedia, et je ne connais pas leur bug 
tracker.

Est-ce qu’un.e spécialiste peut jeter un œil et/ou écrire un ticket ?

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] prev.openstreetmap.fr

2019-11-12 Thread Vincent de Château-Thierry


Bonsoir,

Le 12/11/2019 à 19:50, Cédric Frayssinet a écrit :

Le 12/11/2019 à 19:46, marc marc a écrit :

Le 12.11.19 à 18:42, Cédric Frayssinet a écrit :


Je pense que c'était un site de travail, peut-être faudrait-il le
supprimer ?

prev pour previous, c'est l'ancien site, conservé parce qu'il restait
des choses à migrer.
parcontre on devrait inclure une consigne pour ne plus l'indexer
c'était quel page ou quel mot de recherche ?


Tout l'intérêt d'avoir encore l'ancien site sous la main c'est d'y 
trouver des ressources qu'on ne trouve pas ailleurs. Donc ne plus 
l'indexer n'est pas la solution. Migrer d'abord, éteindre ensuite, ça 
oui. Mais c'est fastidieux, et sur ce sujet comme sur d'autres les 
bonnes volontés sont les bienvenues.


vincent

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[Talk-ca] cyclosm.org

2019-11-12 Thread Pierre Boucher


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[Talk-at] Windy Map

2019-11-12 Thread Robert Grübler

Hallo Leute,

Der letzte Wochennotiz hat mich auf die Windy Map aufmerksam gemacht. Schöne
Karte, zweifellos. 
Zumindest in meiner Gegend basiert mit Sicherheit auf OSM-Daten. Vergleicht
selbst:
https://abload.de/img/omm_windy_sparkek47.jpg 
Der Sparmarkt ist neu, den gibt es so auf keinen Luftbild zu sehen. Das weiß
ich, weil ich es gemappt habe.

Was auffällt: keinerlei Attributierung an OSM! 
https://www.windy.com/de/-Wanderkarte-map?map,47.051,15.470,18

Mir scheint, dass verstößt gegen die Lizenzbestimmungen. Oder?

Liebe Grüße
Robert (robhubi)



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] prev.openstreetmap.fr

2019-11-12 Thread Cédric Frayssinet

Le 12/11/2019 à 19:46, marc marc a écrit :
> Le 12.11.19 à 18:42, Cédric Frayssinet a écrit :
>> Bonjour à tous,
>>
>> Je suis tombé sur ce site : https://prev.openstreetmap.fr/ via un moteur 
>> de recherche.
>>
>> Je pense que c'était un site de travail, peut-être faudrait-il le 
>> supprimer ?
> prev pour previous, c'est l'ancien site, conservé parce qu'il restait 
> des choses à migrer.
> parcontre on devrait inclure une consigne pour ne plus l'indexer
> c'était quel page ou quel mot de recherche ?

Plusieurs liens pointent dessus avec cette requête :
https://www.qwant.com/?client=ext-firefox-sb=rencontres+osm+lyon=5.0.1



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] prev.openstreetmap.fr

Le 12.11.19 à 18:42, Cédric Frayssinet a écrit :
> Bonjour à tous,
> 
> Je suis tombé sur ce site : https://prev.openstreetmap.fr/ via un moteur 
> de recherche.
> 
> Je pense que c'était un site de travail, peut-être faudrait-il le 
> supprimer ?

prev pour previous, c'est l'ancien site, conservé parce qu'il restait 
des choses à migrer.
parcontre on devrait inclure une consigne pour ne plus l'indexer
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[OSM-talk] Fw: ISPRS Forum on Openness and Innovation in Geomatics and Earth Observation

2019-11-12 Thread Suchith Anand via talk

 

   - Forwarded message - From: Serena Coetzee 
To: OSGeo Discussions Sent: 
Monday, 11 November 2019, 21:27:20 GMTSubject: [OSGeo-Discuss] ISPRS Forum on 
Openness and Innovation in Geomatics and Earth Observation
 Dear all, 

Maria and I are organizing a one-day Forum on Openness and Innovation in 
Geomatics and Earth Observation at the XXIV ISPRS CONGRESS 2020, 14-20 June 
2020, Nice, France. http://www.isprs2020-nice.com/
There will be four sessions on the day. Each session will last an hour and a 
half. It will start with a short keynote, followed by a discussion with 5 
panelists. Session topics include Earth Observation openness: data and 
software; Geospatial open source software and open standards; Open science and 
citizen science; and Use cases of geospatial open data and software.
During the day, there will be tables and chairs set up in front of the forum 
venue, and 'Open Geo Doctors' will answer questions and provide suggestions 
about specific technologies. Conference delegates will approach them one-on-one 
to find out more about a specific technology or topic, such as QGIS, 
OpenStreetMap, OSGeoLive, WebGIS, etc.
If you would like to participate as an 'Open GEO Doctor' in this event, please 
send an email to serenacoet...@gmail.com and maria.brove...@polimi.it.
Regards,Serena

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[OSM-talk-fr] Le filtre anti spam du wiki râle

Bonsoir,

Quand je veux ajouter cette URL ça coince : https://flic.kr/p/2h8YVBv 

Mais ça passe avec https://www.flickr.com/photos/184008719@N06/48660722927

Est-ce que quelqu’un peut autoriser ce nom de domaine ?

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[OSM-talk-fr] prev.openstreetmap.fr

2019-11-12 Thread Cédric Frayssinet

Bonjour à tous,

Je suis tombé sur ce site : https://prev.openstreetmap.fr/ via un moteur
de recherche.

Je pense que c'était un site de travail, peut-être faudrait-il le
supprimer ?

Cédric


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Re: [Talk-it] Dosso come place=locality

On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 at 17:52, scratera  wrote:

> ..mi intrometto
> natural=summit
>
5 usi in taginfo o sbaglio?
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Re: [Talk-it] Dosso come place=locality

2019-11-12 Thread Nogaro

Come esempio di flesso sul fianco della montagna mi  viene in mente l’abitato 
di Dosso del Liro (i locali lo chiamano semplicemente “il Dosso”), che come si 
vede anche dalla foto è una località posta su un pendio, ma più dolce del resto 
del fianco della montagna:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dosso_del_Liro#/media/File:Panorama_di_Dosso.JPG

 

Eviterei di mettere automaticamente peak per i toponimi della CTR che 
contengono il termine dosso, senza accertarsi che sia effettivamente una cima. 
Per i luoghi che hanno un nome ma per cui non esiste un tag specifico, penso 
che locality ci possa stare come tag jolly.

 

Ciao,

Alberto

 

From: Ivo Reano  
Sent: 12 November 2019 11:02
To: openstreetmap list - italiano 
Subject: Re: [Talk-it] Dosso come place=locality

 

Una foto sarebbe utile per capire se parliamo di

un "dosso" come flesso sul fianco di una montagna ( non mi pare esiste un tag 
apposito)

un dosso in senso di piccola altura, e qui una foto o un riferimento geografico 
sarebbe molto utile.

 

Poi se si tratta di un dosso, o sella o simile, è sempre possibile la 
coesistenza di un luogo abitato temporaneamente o disabitato posto su di un 
colle o sella o quello che è.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Monochrome map layers

2019-11-12 Thread Martin Wynne




the standard Carto layer is costly to print in colour and doesn't work
very well when printed in black and white as it uses a lot of subtle
colour for detail.


Hi Mark,

The standard Transport map prints quite well in monochrome, and the 
street names are nicely prominent:


 https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/52.1929/-2.2504=T

I've used it in the past for the same purpose - election canvassing. :)

cheers,

Martin.

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Computer advice

2019-11-12 Thread Colm Moore

Hi,

It might be useful to get a slightly larger screen than usual. Alternatively, 
some computers support a second screen.

Colm

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Open-Streeters, I am retired from Miami University (Oxford, OH, IT
Services) and interested in your OpenStreet dialogues and wonderful
discussions forums. I have been following these for a while with an
interest in GIS as it relates to places, genealogy and history (some family
lines from Ireland).

   1. Considering a Christmas present for myself and need your
   recommendations on hardware (computer) configurations.
   2. I could obtain a copy of ArcGIS.  Or do you use QGIS?

I would appreciate your recommendations.   Perhaps I could help out from
afar.

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From: Donal Hunt 
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Hi Thomas!

Most modern machines will more than suffice for the use of openstreetmap
editing but it really depends on what you want to do. I've managed to get
people editing the map using ID (the web browser editor) on a low-end
Chromebook. For more intensive work, you may want something with an i5 or
i7 processor, 8-16gb ram and an SSD storage device. A good mouse is
mandatory.

For editors, many people use JOSM as a local client but depending on what
you're looking to achieve, QGIS is quite popular too.

The community is always happy to get feedback and insight from as diverse a
field as possible so encourage you to pick something, try it and let us
know how you get on.

Regards

Donal

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> Open-Streeters, I am retired from Miami University (Oxford, OH, IT
> Services) and interested in your OpenStreet dialogues and wonderful
> discussions forums. I have been following these for a while with an
> interest in GIS as it relates to places, genealogy and history (some family
> lines from Ireland).
>
>1. Considering a Christmas present for myself and need your
>recommendations on hardware (computer) configurations.
>2. I could obtain a copy of ArcGIS.  Or do you use QGIS?
>
> I would appreciate your recommendations.   Perhaps I could help out from
> afar.
>
> The Yank
> --
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> 515 Vinnedge Ct.
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Re: [Talk-it] Dosso come place=locality

2019-11-12 Thread scratera

..mi intrometto
natural=summit



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Re: [Talk-it] Dosso come place=locality

Sono andato alla ricerca di alcuni posti che conosco di persona ed ho
trovato che c'è una grande confusione o meglio non-distinzione fra
natural=hill and natural=peak in OSM
Per esempio in Inghilterra (England) ci sono 20 natural=peak con
name=Windmill Hill (di cui due che conosco di persona, che di sicuro sono
più hill che peak) e solo uno con natural=hill e name=Windmill Hil.

Questo rifletta bene la situazione totale: circa 9k hill  e 600k peak in
Taginfo.

Con altre parole, l'etichetta corretta per il nostro caso, cioè
natural=hill, semplicemente non viene utilizzato. La stragrande maggioranza
utilizza "peak" anche dove "hill" sarebbe più corretto.
Conclusione: Salvo che vogliamo fare una massiccia campagna per il
ripristino di natural=hill, mi sembra che abbiamo perso la possibilità di
distinguere fra una cima e una collina in OSM e ognuno può fare come vuole,
ma di sicuro non è corretto, nella maggior parte dei casi, l'etichetta
place=locality.

On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 at 16:02, demon_box  wrote:

> un'esempio ke mi viene in mente è qui in provincia di Brescia in zona
> Maniva
> esiste il "Dosso Alto" ke è già mappato come natural=peak
>
> forse la discriminante non è tanto il nome "Cima / Monte" piuttosto ke
> "Dosso" ma la conformazione.
>
> ecco cosa dice wikipeda sul "Dosso Alto"
>
> https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dosso_Alto
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Monochrome map layers

2019-11-12 Thread Paul Berry

*Toner* by Stamen Design may well be what you need:
http://maps.stamen.com/toner/

Regards,
*Paul*

On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 at 15:19, Mateusz Konieczny 
wrote:

> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_on_Paper may be useful
>
>
> 12 Nov 2019, 15:59 by m...@good-stuff.co.uk:
>
> Does anyone know of a map layer/tile set that is completely
> monochrome? I want to create some maps specifically for printing, but
> the standard Carto layer is costly to print in colour and doesn't work
> very well when printed in black and white as it uses a lot of subtle
> colour for detail.
>
> Specifically, what I want them for is to print off maps of local
> neighbourhoods and villages for use when delivering leaflets (yes,
> this is general election related!), so that people can easily see
> where they need to go and mark off, using a highlighter, the streets
> they have done.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Mark
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Re: [Talk-GB] Monochrome map layers

2019-11-12 Thread Mateusz Konieczny

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_on_Paper may be useful


12 Nov 2019, 15:59 by m...@good-stuff.co.uk:

> Does anyone know of a map layer/tile set that is completely
> monochrome? I want to create some maps specifically for printing, but
> the standard Carto layer is costly to print in colour and doesn't work
> very well when printed in black and white as it uses a lot of subtle
> colour for detail.
>
> Specifically, what I want them for is to print off maps of local
> neighbourhoods and villages for use when delivering leaflets (yes,
> this is general election related!), so that people can easily see
> where they need to go and mark off, using a highlighter, the streets
> they have done.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Tesla using OSM without attribution?

2019-11-12 Thread Maarten Deen

I extend that irony to taking the car to the gym.
But I guess as a Dutchman I have different ideas on how to transport
myself than the Americans do.

But suppose the apocalypse is upon us and the floor is lava, wouldn't it
be nice if your car came to the rescue? "KITT, buddy, come over here".
Yes, I am expecting that as the next feature, that I can call my car by
its name and that it will come to me.

Brave new world.

Regards,
Maarten

On 2019-11-12 14:32, Dave F via talk wrote:

I have to laugh at the irony of not only driving to a gym, but then
being too lazy to even walk from the entrance back to the car.

DaveF

On 12/11/2019 10:11, MARLIN LUKE wrote:

I've recently come across the information that Tesla might be using
OSM, at least for it's "smart summon" feature. The point of the
feature is to make the car self drive to you from it's parking lot.

Tesla Motor Club Forum users have noticed that the "smart summon"
works better when they correct OSM data in the parking lots around
them [1].
Tesla Motor Club put up a small article that sums it up [2] but in
the forum there is additional information that might be valuable.
There, a user mention sytem logs about Vahlalla: a lib that
apparently relies on OSM [3].

I don't own one so I cannot check if there is any attribution,
however it looks like there is none.

I'm also unsure what to do with that information if it is true,
that's why I'm opening up this thread.

[1]

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tesla-owners-can-edit-maps-to-improve-summon-routes.172027/

[2]

https://teslamotorsclub.com/blog/2019/11/04/tesla-owners-can-edit-maps-to-improve-summon-routes/

[3] https://github.com/valhalla/valhalla

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Re: [Talk-it] Dosso come place=locality

un'esempio ke mi viene in mente è qui in provincia di Brescia in zona Maniva
esiste il "Dosso Alto" ke è già mappato come natural=peak

forse la discriminante non è tanto il nome "Cima / Monte" piuttosto ke
"Dosso" ma la conformazione.

ecco cosa dice wikipeda sul "Dosso Alto"

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dosso_Alto

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[Talk-GB] Monochrome map layers

2019-11-12 Thread Mark Goodge

Does anyone know of a map layer/tile set that is completely
monochrome? I want to create some maps specifically for printing, but
the standard Carto layer is costly to print in colour and doesn't work
very well when printed in black and white as it uses a lot of subtle
colour for detail.

Specifically, what I want them for is to print off maps of local
neighbourhoods and villages for use when delivering leaflets (yes,
this is general election related!), so that people can easily see
where they need to go and mark off, using a highlighter, the streets
they have done.

Any suggestions?

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Re: [Talk-it] OSMGeoWeek - Mapathon

2019-11-12 Thread Lorenzo Stucchi

Ciao a tutti,

Mi aggiungo anche io segnalando un mapathon a Milano al Politecnico tenuto dai 
PoliMappers venerdì 15. Avremo in collegamento Melanie Eckle, board member del 
Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team.

Se volete avere informazioni aggiuntive le trovate alla pagina dell’evento [1].
L'iscrizione è gratuita ma obbligatoria.

L’incontro sarà in lingua inglese.

Ciao,

Lorenzo Stucchi
Vice-Presidente di PoliMappers

[1] 
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/polimappers-osm-geographic-awareness-week-2019-event-tickets-81330195805?aff=efbeventtix=IwAR2X3im7s0sASvz-pljhWHtY8y37cpT4qhzPMV_YQen7Ues4MgqR-xBpqrQ

Il giorno 2 nov 2019, alle ore 13:37, Marco Minghini 
mailto:marco.minghin...@gmail.com>> ha scritto:

Anche io segnalo un mapathon che sto organizzando per la OSM GeoWeek al JRC a 
Ispra: mercoledì 13 novembre, dalle 12:00 alle 14:00 in aula 246, Edificio 26B.
Se in lista c'è qualcuno che lavora al JRC, siete benvenuti a partecipare!

Marco

Il giorno gio 31 ott 2019 alle ore 19:17 Rachele Amerini 
mailto:rachele.amer...@gmail.com>> ha scritto:
Ciao lista,

vi segnalo questo mapathon promosso di Geograficamente, con il supporto degli 
UN Mappers, che si terrà a Padova in occasione della OSMGeoWeek e del 
GeoNovember organizzato dal Master in GIS Science e droni dell'Università di 
Padova:

- #SomaliMaps, mapathon umanitario per le Nazioni Unite: cartografare da remoto 
la Somalia su OpenStreetMap
15 novembre | 19.00 – 21.00
Laboratorio D4G, DICEA, via Ognissanti 39, Padova
> Materiale necessario per partecipare al Mapathon: computer portatile e mouse

Vi aspettiamo per un venerdì sera alternativo!

Rachele

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Re: [Talk-se] Finns interesse för att börja en Svensk lokalförening?

2019-11-12 Thread Mattias Axell

Skulle gärna se en svensk lokalförening. Vore kul att se aktiviteter för mer 
öppna kartor och OSM. 

Det har väl redan donerats en del hårdvara och medel från företag et.c. så att 
formalisera lokalt men fortfarande hålla det lättviktigt kanske kan vara 
uppskattat.

Att hitta smarta lösningar för att minimera manuell handpåläggning för 
medlemshantering, ekonomisk administration etc är väl de potentiella hindren 
att överkomma som jag ser det. Typ scenariot att ingen vill vara kassör.

Har Wikimedia något medlemssystem och en administrativ resurs för att 
underlätta? Jag letar lösningar för open source medlemssystem (gärna Python) 
och möjligheter för gemensam administration för fler föreningar som söker det.

/Mattias

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>Jag är på att träffas lokalt igen, skulle vara kul att träffa
>Lund/Malmö folket någon gång. Jag sitter i Stockholm själv och vi hade
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>> Hej,
>> I den mån OSM-gemenskapen vill ha det kommer ett glatt hejarop från
>Wikimedia Sverige[1]. Vill ni ha stöd på något sätt hjälper vi gärna
>till, oavsett om det gäller organisatoriska frågor eller en ansökan om
>bidrag[2] för att kunna träffas eller åka på någon konferens.
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>> [1] https://wikimedia.se/om-oss/
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>> Bästa hälsningar,
>> /axel
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>>
>> Den sön 10 nov. 2019 kl 12:02 skrev Christian Asker
>:
>>>
>>> Hej. Jag tycker att det är en bra idé, även om jag just nu har för
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Re: [Talk-it] Dosso come place=locality

Possiamo avere almeno un esempio, anche senza foto.

On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 at 15:15, Damjan Gerl  wrote:

> La definizione in wikipedia (solo "piccolo rilievo" e niente più) mi fa
> pensare a una cosa molto piccola e in questo caso io userei place=locality
> + name=* (place=locality si usa per annotare un nome a un area non abitata
> ecc.), magari mettendogli anche un ele=*. Se si tratta di un rilievo più
> importante ma meno di un monte si può usare natural=hill -
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dhill
>
> Ciao
> Damjan
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> From  : "demon_box" e.rossini7...@gmail.com
> To  : talk-it@openstreetmap.org
> Cc  :
> Date  : Tue, 12 Nov 2019 06:28:17 -0700 (MST)
> Subject : Re: [Talk-it] Dosso come place=locality
>
> > ripeto foto esplicative non ne ho però basta guardare la definizione che
> da
> > wikipedia per "Dosso"
> >
> > https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dosso
> >
> > Dosso = piccolo rilievo (piccolo ma comunque rilievo esattamente come
> > natural=peak)
> >
> > semplificando molto se il classico natural=peak è la punta più alta di
> una
> > montagna, il dosso è invece un rilievo (facciamo un panettone) che si
> > distingue per il punto più rispetto al resto della catena montuosa.
> >
> > posso capire un Dosso taggato come place=locality soltanto quando si
> tratta
> > di un profilo montuoso esteso anche se forse potrebbe andar bene in
> questo
> > caso natural=ridge
> >
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dridge
> >
> > che però in italiano chiamiamo "cresta montuosa"
> >
> > --enrico
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Re: [Talk-it] Dosso come place=locality

2019-11-12 Thread Damjan Gerl

La definizione in wikipedia (solo "piccolo rilievo" e niente più) mi fa pensare 
a una cosa molto piccola e in questo caso io userei place=locality + name=* 
(place=locality si usa per annotare un nome a un area non abitata ecc.), magari 
mettendogli anche un ele=*. Se si tratta di un rilievo più importante ma meno 
di un monte si può usare natural=hill - 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dhill

Ciao
Damjan
 
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To  : talk-it@openstreetmap.org
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Date  : Tue, 12 Nov 2019 06:28:17 -0700 (MST)
Subject : Re: [Talk-it] Dosso come place=locality

> ripeto foto esplicative non ne ho però basta guardare la definizione che da
> wikipedia per "Dosso"
> 
> https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dosso
> 
> Dosso = piccolo rilievo (piccolo ma comunque rilievo esattamente come
> natural=peak)
> 
> semplificando molto se il classico natural=peak è la punta più alta di una
> montagna, il dosso è invece un rilievo (facciamo un panettone) che si
> distingue per il punto più rispetto al resto della catena montuosa.
> 
> posso capire un Dosso taggato come place=locality soltanto quando si tratta
> di un profilo montuoso esteso anche se forse potrebbe andar bene in questo
> caso natural=ridge
> 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dridge
> 
> che però in italiano chiamiamo "cresta montuosa"
> 
> --enrico
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Re: [OSM-talk] Tesla using OSM without attribution?

2019-11-12 Thread Dave F via talk

I have to laugh at the irony of not only driving to a gym, but then 
being too lazy to even walk from the entrance back to the car.


DaveF

On 12/11/2019 10:11, MARLIN LUKE wrote:

I've recently come across the information that Tesla might be using OSM, at least for 
it's "smart summon" feature. The point of the feature is to make the car self 
drive to you from it's parking lot.

Tesla Motor Club Forum users have noticed that the "smart summon" works better 
when they correct OSM data in the parking lots around them [1].
Tesla Motor Club put up a small article that sums it up [2] but in the forum 
there is additional information that might be valuable. There, a user mention 
sytem logs about Vahlalla: a lib that apparently relies on OSM [3].

I don't own one so I cannot check if there is any attribution, however it looks 
like there is none.

I'm also unsure what to do with that information if it is true, that's why I'm 
opening up this thread.

[1] 
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tesla-owners-can-edit-maps-to-improve-summon-routes.172027/
[2] 
https://teslamotorsclub.com/blog/2019/11/04/tesla-owners-can-edit-maps-to-improve-summon-routes/
[3] https://github.com/valhalla/valhalla




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[Talk-lt] SoTM Baltics 2020

2019-11-12 Thread Rihards

Hi, dear Lithuanian OSM community.

On 2020-03-06 there will be a Baltcic GIT/GIS conference in Riga with a
dedicated OSM track.
We're using the opportunity and turning it into
*drumroll*
SoTM Baltics :)

You are very welcome to attend, and we are also looking for:

* Speakers
That is You. Got anything you are doing with OSM? Please consider
submitting a talk proposal for the OSM track.
Please feel free to email me if you have a proposal or for any questions.

* Partners
If there are any companies in OSM space that would like to advertise at
the event - become sponsors/supporters - please let me know.
The available options can be found at
https://www.balticgitconf.eu/images/conference_2020/partnership_proposal.pdf
.

More info on the conference at https://www.balticgitconf.eu/ .

See You in March.
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Re: [Talk-it] Dosso come place=locality

ripeto foto esplicative non ne ho però basta guardare la definizione che da
wikipedia per "Dosso"

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dosso

Dosso = piccolo rilievo (piccolo ma comunque rilievo esattamente come
natural=peak)

semplificando molto se il classico natural=peak è la punta più alta di una
montagna, il dosso è invece un rilievo (facciamo un panettone) che si
distingue per il punto più rispetto al resto della catena montuosa.

posso capire un Dosso taggato come place=locality soltanto quando si tratta
di un profilo montuoso esteso anche se forse potrebbe andar bene in questo
caso natural=ridge

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dridge

che però in italiano chiamiamo "cresta montuosa"

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Re: [talk-cz] načítání fotek ve Fody zpomaluje prohlížeč

2019-11-12 Thread Zdeněk Pražák

no po odhlášení se fotky načetly skoro okamžitě
Pražák

út 12. 11. 2019 v 11:39 odesílatel Tom Ka  napsal:

> OK, to mi staci, to zrejme souvisi s moznosti v tomto pohledu editovat
> ref. Realne se to podle mne nepouziva, takze to asi vyhodim a bude
> klid. Muzes zkusit na tu stranku kouknout, kdyz budes odhlaseny, pokud
> to v tomhle pripade bude vyrazne rychlejsi, bez varovani, pak to bude
> ono.
>
> Zatim.
>
> po 11. 11. 2019 v 17:07 odesílatel Zdeněk Pražák 
> napsal:
> >
> > no tedy upřesňuji co jsem dělal_
> > na stránce https://osm.fit.vutbr.cz/fody/?id=20845 jsem klikl na odkaz
> seznam všech fotek daného autora, který vedl na
> https://osm.fit.vutbr.cz/fody/?author=Petr1868 a poté se ukázala hláška
> Tato webová stránka zpomaluje váš prohlížeč, co si přejete udělat s
> tlačítky zastavit načítání a počkat
> >
> > Pražák
> >
> > po 11. 11. 2019 v 15:18 odesílatel Tom Ka 
> napsal:
> >>
> >> Jasne, proto jsem chtel vedet kde to bylo.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019, 14:36 Marián Kyral  wrote:
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> >>> Možná by to chtělo zavést stránkování. Stáhnout a zobrazit třeba tisíc
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> >>>
> >>> Marián
> >>>
> >>> 11. listopadu 2019 11:39:21 SEČ, Tom Ka 
> napsal:
> 
>  No, tech fotek je hodne, kazdopadne zkus to popsat presneji, kde jsi
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>  Zatim tom.k
> 
>  ne 10. 11. 2019 v 16:54 odesílatel Zdeněk Pražák 
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> >
> > Chtěl jsem si nechat zobrazit mnou načtené fotky rozcestníků
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Re: [Talk-it] Dosso come place=locality

On Tue, 12 Nov 2019, 11:05 Damjan Gerl,  wrote:

> Forse sarebbe utile prima definire "dosso", giusto per parlare tutti della
> stessa cosa? Di cosa si tratta precisamente?
>
> Grazie
> Damjan
>

E' precisamente per questo che volevo esempi con foto.

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Re: [Talk-it] Dosso come place=locality

2019-11-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer

Il 12. Nov. 2019 alle ore 11:10 ha scritto liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT
eu  oppure Il 12/11/19 11:01, Ivo Reano ha scritto:

> Per il nome del dosso, non vedo problemi ad usare place=*, non
> necessariamente locality, dipende dalla zona se abitata o no.
>


più dalla "zona", place si usa per i centri abitati (o abitazioni singoli,
case sparse ecc.), ma non credo sia questa la domanda di Enrico.



>
> Al posto del tag natural=peak, esiste anche il semplice tag ele=*, che
> identifica la mera elevazione, anche in più punti.
>


si, ma se parliamo di un massimo locale di elevazione, il tag standard è
natural=peak



> Per il dosso a mio parere, è solo una variazione del terreno che non
> vedo modo di taggare in maniera OSM, non parliamo di colline o colli,
> dove l'elevazione è comunque da considerare.



non capisco, qual'è la differenza tra un collo o una collina e un "dosso"?

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Re: [Talk-it] Dosso come place=locality

liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu wrote
> Il 12/11/19 11:01, Ivo Reano ha scritto:
> Per il nome del dosso, non vedo problemi ad usare place=*, non
> necessariamente locality, dipende dalla zona se abitata o no.

con la mia domanda intendo sempre luoghi NON abitati...

quindi?

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSM pour Licence Pro SIG en 2 jours

Bonjour,

lors que je présente mapillary a quelqu'un,
je m'arrange pour prendre un thème bien présent,
histoire de ne pas être bloqué par le délais de traitement
dont tu parles, et ce sujet c'est les panneaux routier
détecté par osmose (oui cela implique aussi d'expliquer osmose)

Cordialement,
Marc

Le 12.11.19 à 12:03, onesim...@free.fr a écrit :
> Pour Mapillary, les images envoyées mettent 
> également trop de temps à être exploitable dans OSM sur une journée, il 
> y a quelques heures de délais.

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[OSM-talk-fr] OSM pour Licence Pro SIG en 2 jours

2019-11-12 Thread onesime31

Bonjour à vous, 

Depuis quelques années, je propose des interventions sur OSM et notamment à une 
licence pro en SIG. 
Voici ce que je fais actuellement: 
- la 1ère journée, je fais surtout de la théorie où je présente le principe 
d'OSM et son fonctionnement. Ensuite, je présente comment l'utiliser: les 
différents rendus utilisables dans le quotidien du géomaticien, les applis 
mobiles qui exploitent OSM. Puis comment contribuer où je montre rapidement les 
différentes possibilités. Enfin, je termine par une session extraction à partir 
d'overpass turbo et interaction avec QGis. 
- on a mis en place une 2ème journée surtout orientée pratique où nous avons 
cartographié sur un thème donné une ville. On se basait soit sur des relevés 
déjà effectués à partir d'applis mobile, ou sinon à partir de Mapillary. 

Nous avons rencontrés des limites à cela: Mapillary est encore assez peu 
complet, et on s'est rendu compte en fin de journée que certains s'étaient 
aussi aidés de StreetView ce qu'il ne faut pas faire. 

Pour les futures formations, on aimerait faire quelque chose de plus dynamique, 
le soucis, est que l'on n'a pas de moyen logistique et on ne peut pas aller sur 
place. Pour Mapillary, les images envoyées mettent également trop de temps à 
être exploitable dans OSM sur une journée, il y a quelques heures de délais. 
Auriez vous des conseils, retours d'expériences sur les possibilités, en une 
journée de pratiquer OSM et Mapillary pour que ce soit intéressant d'un point 
de vue géomaticien, relativement ludique, et dans la mesure du possible en 
pouvant le faire à distance, sans être sur place... 

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Re: [Talk-dk] Fejl på protected_area i DK

2019-11-12 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen

On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 13:24:25 +0100
Jørgen Elgaard Larsen  wrote:

> Hej PangoSE
> 
> Tak for at gøre opmærksom på det.
> 
> På den ene side: "don't map for the renderer" 

Der er aldrig noget galt i at tilføje nye relevante tags, heller ikke
selvom man gør det for at få det til at virke i en eller anden renderer.

Problemenet er kun hvis man tilføjer tags, der ikke burde være der,
eller man vælger forkerte tags af hensyn til en renderer.

> - men på den anden side
> siger wikien, at både protect_class= og protection_title skal sættes
> sammen med boundary=protected_area.
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary=protected_area

Man kan se kort over fredninger på
https://fredningsnaevn.dk/fredninger/

Men det viser områder som ikke passer ret godt med hvad vi har på OSM
og man ender med nogle store PDf filer som indeholder gamle indscannede
domme og fredninger.

Men myndighederne arbejder selv på mappe danske fredninger til IUCN
kategorier.

https://mst.dk/service/nyheder/nyhedsarkiv/2018/jun/international-organisation-skal-naerstudere-fredninger/
https://mst.dk/service/nyheder/nyhedsarkiv/2018/sep/nyt-overblik-over-naturfredninger/

Men det er tydeligvis heller ikke nemt for dem.

> Så det må vi hellere gøre.
> 
> Jørgen 
> 
> Den 10. november 2019 10.38.28 CET, pangoSE 
> skrev:
> >Hej
> >
> >CartoOSM støtter bare boundary=protected_area hvor der også findes
> >en protect_class=
> >
> >Disse elementer savner denne klassificering og synes derfor ikke:
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Re: [talk-cz] načítání fotek ve Fody zpomaluje prohlížeč

2019-11-12 Thread Tom Ka

OK, to mi staci, to zrejme souvisi s moznosti v tomto pohledu editovat
ref. Realne se to podle mne nepouziva, takze to asi vyhodim a bude
klid. Muzes zkusit na tu stranku kouknout, kdyz budes odhlaseny, pokud
to v tomhle pripade bude vyrazne rychlejsi, bez varovani, pak to bude
ono.

Zatim.

po 11. 11. 2019 v 17:07 odesílatel Zdeněk Pražák  napsal:
>
> no tedy upřesňuji co jsem dělal_
> na stránce https://osm.fit.vutbr.cz/fody/?id=20845 jsem klikl na odkaz seznam 
> všech fotek daného autora, který vedl na 
> https://osm.fit.vutbr.cz/fody/?author=Petr1868 a poté se ukázala hláška Tato 
> webová stránka zpomaluje váš prohlížeč, co si přejete udělat s tlačítky 
> zastavit načítání a počkat
>
> Pražák
>
> po 11. 11. 2019 v 15:18 odesílatel Tom Ka  napsal:
>>
>> Jasne, proto jsem chtel vedet kde to bylo.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019, 14:36 Marián Kyral  wrote:
>>>
>>> Možná by to chtělo zavést stránkování. Stáhnout a zobrazit třeba tisíc 
>>> fotek už nějaké zdroje potřebujete. A pokud není na klientu dost paměti, 
>>> tak to začne swapovat a všechno se zpomalí.
>>>
>>> Marián
>>>
>>> 11. listopadu 2019 11:39:21 SEČ, Tom Ka  napsal:

 No, tech fotek je hodne, kazdopadne zkus to popsat presneji, kde jsi
 na jaky odkaz klikl apod, at to muzu vyzkouset, treba s tim neco
 udelat pujde.

 Zatim tom.k

 ne 10. 11. 2019 v 16:54 odesílatel Zdeněk Pražák  
 napsal:
 >
>
> Chtěl jsem si nechat zobrazit mnou načtené fotky rozcestníků (Petr1868) 
> ale zobrazila se mi hláška, že načítání zpomaluje prohlížeč a načítání 
> zamrzlo
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Re: [OSM-talk] Tesla using OSM without attribution?

2019-11-12 Thread James

not sure if using maps to render tiles or just for parking lot routing

On Tue., Nov. 12, 2019, 5:28 a.m. MARLIN LUKE, 
wrote:

> Sorry for the self-response, but it seems it's already been noticed
> because it's listed in weeklyOSM #485 [1].
>
> There's no mention of the attribution issue though.
>
> [1] http://weeklyosm.eu/archives/12521
>
> --
> *De :* MARLIN LUKE 
> *Envoyé :* mardi 12 novembre 2019 11:11
> *À :* talk@openstreetmap.org 
> *Objet :* [OSM-talk] Tesla using OSM without attribution?
>
> I've recently come across the information that Tesla might be using OSM,
> at least for it's "smart summon" feature. The point of the feature is to
> make the car self drive to you from it's parking lot.
>
> Tesla Motor Club Forum users have noticed that the "smart summon" works
> better when they correct OSM data in the parking lots around them [1].
> Tesla Motor Club put up a small article that sums it up [2] but in the
> forum there is additional information that might be valuable. There, a user
> mention sytem logs about Vahlalla: a lib that apparently relies on OSM [3].
>
> I don't own one so I cannot check if there is any attribution, however it
> looks like there is none.
>
> I'm also unsure what to do with that information if it is true, that's why
> I'm opening up this thread.
>
> [1]
> https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tesla-owners-can-edit-maps-to-improve-summon-routes.172027/
> [2]
> https://teslamotorsclub.com/blog/2019/11/04/tesla-owners-can-edit-maps-to-improve-summon-routes/
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Re: [OSM-talk] Tesla using OSM without attribution?

2019-11-12 Thread MARLIN LUKE

Sorry for the self-response, but it seems it's already been noticed because 
it's listed in weeklyOSM #485 [1].

There's no mention of the attribution issue though.

[1] http://weeklyosm.eu/archives/12521


De : MARLIN LUKE 
Envoyé : mardi 12 novembre 2019 11:11
À : talk@openstreetmap.org 
Objet : [OSM-talk] Tesla using OSM without attribution?

I've recently come across the information that Tesla might be using OSM, at 
least for it's "smart summon" feature. The point of the feature is to make the 
car self drive to you from it's parking lot.

Tesla Motor Club Forum users have noticed that the "smart summon" works better 
when they correct OSM data in the parking lots around them [1].
Tesla Motor Club put up a small article that sums it up [2] but in the forum 
there is additional information that might be valuable. There, a user mention 
sytem logs about Vahlalla: a lib that apparently relies on OSM [3].

I don't own one so I cannot check if there is any attribution, however it looks 
like there is none.

I'm also unsure what to do with that information if it is true, that's why I'm 
opening up this thread.

[1] 
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tesla-owners-can-edit-maps-to-improve-summon-routes.172027/
[2] 
https://teslamotorsclub.com/blog/2019/11/04/tesla-owners-can-edit-maps-to-improve-summon-routes/
[3] https://github.com/valhalla/valhalla

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[OSM-talk-fr] hebdoOSM Nº 485 2019-10-29-2019-11-04

Bonjour,

Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 485 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître 
*en français*. Un condensé à retrouver sur :

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/archives/12521/

Bonne lecture !

Saviez-vous que vous pouvez vous aussi soumettre des messages pour la note 
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sur la rédaction d'un article, cliquez ici: 
http://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm

hebdoOSM ? 
Qui : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
Où : 
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/weeklyosm-is-currently-produced-in_56718#2/8.6/108.3
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[Talk-ca] hebdoOSM Nº 485 2019-10-29-2019-11-04

Bonjour,

Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 485 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître 
*en français*. Un condensé à retrouver sur :

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/archives/12521/

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sur la rédaction d'un article, cliquez ici: 
http://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm

hebdoOSM ? 
Qui : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
Où : 
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/weeklyosm-is-currently-produced-in_56718#2/8.6/108.3
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[Talk-africa] hebdoOSM Nº 485 2019-10-29-2019-11-04

Bonjour,

Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 485 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître 
*en français*. Un condensé à retrouver sur :

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/archives/12521/

Bonne lecture !

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sur la rédaction d'un article, cliquez ici: 
http://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm

hebdoOSM ? 
Qui : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
Où : 
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[Talk-ht] hebdoOSM Nº 485 2019-10-29-2019-11-04

Bonjour,

Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 485 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître 
*en français*. Un condensé à retrouver sur :

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/archives/12521/

Bonne lecture !

Saviez-vous que vous pouvez vous aussi soumettre des messages pour la note 
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https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login avec votre compte OSM. Pour en savoir plus 
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http://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm

hebdoOSM ? 
Qui : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
Où : 
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[OSM-talk-fr] flickr : validations des valeur de la clé

Bonjour,

Dans ma série « nettoyage d’automne », voici la clé flickr.

La règle de validation pour flickr passe à coté de certaines valeurs.
https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Rules/Pictures

A partir des valeurs trouvées dans la base de donnée avec taginfo, j’ai repris 
et améliorée l’expression régulière : https://regexr.com/4ol68
Mais elle n’accepte pas les liens vers des utilisateurs, des photos dans (des 
albums, des jeux, des listes, des partages).

Et doit-on accepter des liens vers les utilisateurs, albums, jeux ?
Un peu comme la clé wikimedia_commons qui accepte aussi les catégories.
 
De plus, est-ce que ça ne serait pas plus « propre » de ne pas garder l’URL 
complète ?
(cf. Full URL ? 
 in 
Talk:Key:flickr)

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[OSM-talk] Tesla using OSM without attribution?

2019-11-12 Thread MARLIN LUKE

I've recently come across the information that Tesla might be using OSM, at 
least for it's "smart summon" feature. The point of the feature is to make the 
car self drive to you from it's parking lot.

Tesla Motor Club Forum users have noticed that the "smart summon" works better 
when they correct OSM data in the parking lots around them [1].
Tesla Motor Club put up a small article that sums it up [2] but in the forum 
there is additional information that might be valuable. There, a user mention 
sytem logs about Vahlalla: a lib that apparently relies on OSM [3].

I don't own one so I cannot check if there is any attribution, however it looks 
like there is none.

I'm also unsure what to do with that information if it is true, that's why I'm 
opening up this thread.

[1] 
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tesla-owners-can-edit-maps-to-improve-summon-routes.172027/
[2] 
https://teslamotorsclub.com/blog/2019/11/04/tesla-owners-can-edit-maps-to-improve-summon-routes/
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Re: [Talk-it] Dosso come place=locality

2019-11-12 Thread liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu

Il 12/11/19 11:01, Ivo Reano ha scritto:
Per il nome del dosso, non vedo problemi ad usare place=*, non
necessariamente locality, dipende dalla zona se abitata o no.

Al posto del tag natural=peak, esiste anche il semplice tag ele=*, che
identifica la mera elevazione, anche in più punti.

Per il dosso a mio parere, è solo una variazione del terreno che non
vedo modo di taggare in maniera OSM, non parliamo di colline o colli,
dove l'elevazione è comunque da considerare.

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[Talk-it-trentino] SFScon, the Free Software Conference on Friday, 15th of November, 2019 at NOI Techpark, BZ

2019-11-12 Thread NOI Südtirol/Alto Adige

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[Segue Versione in Italiano]

Dear SFScon friends,

we are proud to invite you to the #SFScon19, an opportunity to discuss together 
with international experts about how Free Software, Open Standards and Open 
Data can contribute to find disruptive Business Models in the Industry and to 
create innovative products using Open Technologies.

The conference will take start on Friday, November 15th at 8:30 AM (check-in) 
in the NOI Techpark (A.-Volta-Str. 13A Bozen / via A. Volta 13A Bolzano).

We are pleased to welcome 100 internationally recognized experts from around 
the world, like Deb Bryant (Red Hat), Alexior Zavaros (Intel), Ralph Müller 
(Eclipse Foundation), Simon Phipps (OSI), Matthias Kirschner (FSFE), Pierluigi 
Pugliese (Connexxo), Cedrix Thomas (OW2) and many more.

Schedule details and tickets can be found on the events website:


http://www.SFScon.it

The LUGBZ will award a person who has substantially contributed to the adoption 
and distribution of Free Software in South Tyrol with the "SFSaward". The 
conference will also host side events like a Hackathon, B2B Matchmaking and a 
Job Speed Dating.

The event will be held in English only.

Participation is free of charge thanks to our sponsors: Red Hat, Gruppo FOS, 
Made in Cima, TopControl, Würth Phoenix, 1006.org, Davide Montesin innovative 
software, Endian, ORMA, Peer, QBUS, R3 GIS, SiMedia, Telmekom, XPeppers a 
Claranet Company.

We are looking forward to seeing you in South Tyrol!

Kind regards,
Patrick Ohnewein

[Italiano]

Cari amici della SFScon,

è con grande piacere che vi invitiamo alla conferenza #SFScon19. Un'occasione 
per discutere insieme ad esperti internazionali come il Free Software, gli Open 
Standard e gli Open Data contribuiscono a creare nuovi modelli di business e 
prodotti innovativi basati su tecnologie aperte.

La conferenza avrà inizio venerdì 15 novembre, dalle ore 8.30 (check-in), 
presso il NOI Techpark (via A. Volta 13A Bolzano).

Abbiamo tra i nostri ospiti 100 esperti di fama internazionale, come Deb Bryant 
(Red Hat), Alexior Zavaros (Intel), Ralph Müller (Eclipse Foundation), Simon 
Phipps (OSI), Matthias Kirschner (FSFE), Pierluigi Pugliese (Connexxo), Cedrix 
Thomas (OW2) e molti altri!

Dettagli del programma e i ticket per la conferenza sono disponibili sul sito 
dell'evento:


http://www.SFScon.it

L'associazione Linux User Group di Bolzano-Bozen-Bulsan assegnerà ad una 
persona che si è particolarmente distinta per l’utilizzo e la diffusione del 
Software Libero nella Provincia Autonoma di Bolzano il premio "SFSaward". 
Inoltre ci saranno eventi collaterali come un Hackathon, un B2B Matchmaking ed 
un Job Speed Dating.

L'evento si svolgerà in lingua inglese!

La partecipazione è gratuita grazie al sostegno dei nostri sponsor: Red Hat, 
Gruppo FOS, Made in Cima, TopControl, Würth Phoenix, 1006.org, Davide Montesin 
innovative software, Endian, ORMA, Peer, QBUS, R3 GIS, SiMedia, Telmekom, 
XPeppers a Claranet Company.

Non vediamo l'ora di incontrarvi alla SFScon!

Cordiali saluti
Patrick Ohnewein


[Deutsch]

Liebe Freunde der SFScon,

es freut uns sehr, euch zur #SFScon19 einladen zu dürfen. Die Konferenz ist 
eine Gelegenheit um mit Experten über Freie Software, Offene Standards und Open 
Data zu sprechen. Welche neue Geschäftsmodelle und welche innovative Produkte 
können mit offene Technologien erstellt werden?

Die Konferenz beginnt am Freitag, den 15. November ab 8.30 Uhr (check-in) im 
NOI Techpark (A. Volta-Str. 13A Bozen).

Auch heuer dürfen wir unter unseren Gästen 100 weltweit bekannte Fachleute auf 
diesem Gebiet begrüßen. Darunter Deb Bryant (Red Hat), Alexior Zavaros (Intel), 
Ralph Müller (Eclipse Foundation), Simon Phipps (OSI), Matthias Kirschner 
(FSFE), Pierluigi Pugliese (Connexxo), Cedrix Thomas (OW2) und viele mehr!

Das detaillierte Programm und Tickets sind auf der Webseite verfügbar:

http://www.SFScon.it

Im Rahmen der SFScon wird der SFSaward von der LUGBZ, die Linux User Group 
Bozen-Bolzano-Bulsan, an eine Person verliehen, die sich in besonderer Weise 
für die Anwendung und Verbreitung von Freier Software in Südtirol eingesetzt 
hat. Außerdem wird die Konferenz auch weitere Veranstaltungen beinhalten, wie 
ein Hackathon, ein B2B Matchmaking und ein Job Speed Dating.

Die Veranstaltung wird auf Englisch abgehalten.

Die Teilnahme ist kostenlos. Dies ist Dank der Unterstützung unserer Sponsoren 
möglich: Red Hat, Gruppo FOS, Made in Cima, TopControl, Würth Phoenix, 
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Wir freuen uns auf euer Kommen!

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Re: [Talk-it] Dosso come place=locality

2019-11-12 Thread Damjan Gerl

Forse sarebbe utile prima definire "dosso", giusto per parlare tutti della 
stessa cosa? Di cosa si tratta precisamente?

Grazie
Damjan

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Date  : Tue, 12 Nov 2019 02:39:00 -0700 (MST)
Subject : Re: [Talk-it] Dosso come place=locality

> voschix wrote
> > Possiamo fare alcuni esempi specifici?  Renderebbe più facile la
> > discussione. Magari posti dove esistono anche foto?
> 
> ciao, non ho foto esplicative da postare anche perchè difficilmente sul
> punto più alto del "Dosso" c'è un qualcosa che lo segnala (croce, paletto,
> targa)...
> 
> a parer mio se sulla CTR leggo "Dosso Pinco Pallo" non capisco perchè lo
> devo mappare come place=locality...
> 
> io metterei natural=peak anche se in quel punto (in loco) non c'è nulla che
> lo segnala.
> 
> è questo che intendo.
> 
> --enrico
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Re: [Talk-it] Dosso come place=locality

2019-11-12 Thread Ivo Reano

>
> voschix wrote
> > Possiamo fare alcuni esempi specifici?  Renderebbe più facile la
> > discussione. Magari posti dove esistono anche foto?
>
> ciao, non ho foto esplicative da postare anche perchè difficilmente sul
> punto più alto del "Dosso" c'è un qualcosa che lo segnala (croce, paletto,
> targa)...
>

Una foto sarebbe utile per capire se parliamo di
un "dosso" come flesso sul fianco di una montagna ( non mi pare esiste un
tag apposito)
un dosso in senso di piccola altura, e qui una foto o un riferimento
geografico sarebbe molto utile.

a parer mio se sulla CTR leggo "Dosso Pinco Pallo" non capisco perchè lo
> devo mappare come place=locality...
>
Se il nome è quello non vedo problemi usarlo. Voglio dire se il nome di un
alpeggio è Alpe Monastero sarà senza dubbio un localty e non un
place_of_worship



> io metterei natural=peak anche se in quel punto (in loco) non c'è nulla che
> lo segnala.
>

Se è un'altura che ha un nome non è necessario che vi sia un'indicazione
scritta, sulle cime più alte a volte non c'è, prova a cercarla sulla punta
del monte Bianco
( e purché non sia un nome inventato, come mi è successo di vedere il Monte
Lera che improvvisamente si è coperto di cime est/ovest/sud e relative
antecime!!!)

Poi se si tratta di un dosso, o sella o simile, è sempre possibile la
coesistenza di un luogo abitato temporaneamente o disabitato posto su di un
colle o sella o quello che è.
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Re: [Talk-it] Dosso come place=locality

voschix wrote
> Possiamo fare alcuni esempi specifici?  Renderebbe più facile la
> discussione. Magari posti dove esistono anche foto?

ciao, non ho foto esplicative da postare anche perchè difficilmente sul
punto più alto del "Dosso" c'è un qualcosa che lo segnala (croce, paletto,
targa)...

a parer mio se sulla CTR leggo "Dosso Pinco Pallo" non capisco perchè lo
devo mappare come place=locality...

io metterei natural=peak anche se in quel punto (in loco) non c'è nulla che
lo segnala.

è questo che intendo.

--enrico





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Re: [Talk-it] Dosso come place=locality

Possiamo fare alcuni esempi specifici?  Renderebbe più facile la
discussione. Magari posti dove esistono anche foto?

On Tue, 12 Nov 2019, 09:51 Alessandro Sarretta, <
alessandro.sarre...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Su https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dlocality è scritto
> esplicitamente che place=locality non deve essere usato al posto di
> natural=peak.
>
> Dalla definizione di place=locality posso magari ipotizzare che alcuni
> dossi con un nome, in passato ospitassero qualche abitazione, piccolo
> agglomerato o altro, anche se ora non più esistente; in questo caso
> potrebbe essere utilizzato per descrivere appunto "locations of former
> human settlements for which all taggable features are gone, but which
> still see use (and/or have value) as named locations"
>
> m2c
>
> Ale
>
> On 11/11/19 17:28, demon_box wrote:
> > ciao, spesso trovo mappato il "Dosso Pinco Pallo" come place=locality
> >
> > quello che dice il wiki per natural=peak
> >
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dpeak
> >
> > è chiaro e se capisco bene parla del punto più alto di una caratteristica
> > fisica naturale.
> >
> > mi domando e perchè la cima di un "Dosso" se ben identificata non può
> > esserlo? declassandola ad un tag che secondo me in questo caso non
> c'entra
> > niente e cioè place=locality
> >
> > lo posso capire soltanto se siamo in presenza di un "Dosso" che copre una
> > vasta area senza una sommità precisa ma altrimenti io metterei
> natural=peak
> > di sicuro.
> >
> > voi che dite?
> >
> > grazie
> >
> > --enrico
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Talk-GB] Rights of way layer - raster and vector tiles

2019-11-12 Thread Nick Whitelegg


Hello Rob,

Glad you're finding MTP useful!

Incidentally the way-split functionality has been on the MapThePaths 'todo' 
list for quite some time. I will try and get round to it as soon as I can - 
probably the Christmas break now.

Nick



From: Rob Nickerson 
Sent: 11 November 2019 21:13
To: Talk-GB 
Subject: [Talk-GB] Rights of way layer - raster and vector tiles

Hi all,

Have been enjoying using Nick's MapThePaths.org.uk 
website recently. In most cases I can make the edit to OSM using the built in 
editing functionality. However from time to time there is a need to fire up 
JOSM or iD editor in order to split an OSM way. In doing so I was looking for a 
ProW layer to add to the editor to guide my edits.

Using Mapbox Studio I have created such a layer.

Raster tiles
In JOSM add it using:

wmts:https://api.mapbox.com/styles/v1/robjn/ck2nvvl8u06p91cqrlcvmzcsd/wmts?access_token=pk.eyJ1Ijoicm9iam4iLCJhIjoid0dYNkY1QSJ9.A-0lzQOawGYICYPfURsjDA

And in iD Editor add it using:

https://api.mapbox.com/styles/v1/robjn/ck2nvvl8u06p91cqrlcvmzcsd/tiles/256/{zoom}/{x}/{y}?access_token=pk.eyJ1Ijoicm9iam4iLCJhIjoid0dYNkY1QSJ9.A-0lzQOawGYICYPfURsjDA

A few things to note:

Firstly, all Rights of Way data is currently shown. I was hoping to filter out 
the data which is not universally accepted as compatible with OSM within Mapbox 
Studio but it seems like you cannot use wildcards in the expressions there. If 
there is interest in this layer, I will reload the data in to Mapbox Studio so 
that I can apply styling (e.g. fade/blur) to the data that is not OSM 
compatible (it can be used as a prompt for a ground survey).

Footpaths are pink, bridleways are green, restricted byways - orange/brown, 
BOATS - blue.

The text label is || as is stored in 
the KML files on rowmaps.org. Use the Local Authority Code 
to confirm against Robert Whittaker's site 
(https://osm.mathmos.net/prow/progress/) that you are editing one of the OSM 
compatible areas.

In iD Editor the text label does not show up as it is black on a black 
background. It is also not possible to have this tile layer and aerial imagery 
layer shown at the same time. See "Vector Tiles" section below for a workaround.

I have added a black diamond at the end of each way. Unfortunately in Mapbox 
Studio I could only find how to add this symbol at one end of each way so it's 
not complete but hopefully still useful. I've done a previous test in 
Warwickshire to add black marks at both ends of each way. If useful let me know 
so I can process this data and load it into Mapbox Studio for styling.

Vector tiles
Mapbox also creates vector tiles of the data. This can be loaded into iD 
Editor. To do so open iD, press "f" to open the Map Data dialogue and within 
Custom Data paste the following:

https://api.mapbox.com/v4/robjn.cc9hly53/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.mvt?access_token=pk.eyJ1Ijoicm9iam4iLCJhIjoid0dYNkY1QSJ9.A-0lzQOawGYICYPfURsjDA

This then shows the data in bright pink. Text labels are also in bright pink 
solving the problem of black text on black background above. You can overlay 
this on top of aerial imagery. The other great thing is that you can select the 
ways just as if they were OSM ways. Selecting one shows the extent of the ways 
and it's tags. Given that all ways are drawn in pink when using vector tiles 
you will need to select each to confirm it's right of way class. Maybe one day 
there will be simple rules within iD that allow us to colour vector tiles data 
based on the tags.

I'm not yet aware of any way to add the mvt vector tiles to JOSM.

P.S. I am on a free tier within Mapbox Studio. If popular I might run out so if 
the layer stops working you know why! We could see if Mapbox will allow us (or 
OSM UK) so additional free allowance.

Best regards,
Rob
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Re: [Talk-it] Dosso come place=locality

2019-11-12 Thread Alessandro Sarretta

Su https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dlocality è scritto 
esplicitamente che place=locality non deve essere usato al posto di 
natural=peak.


Dalla definizione di place=locality posso magari ipotizzare che alcuni 
dossi con un nome, in passato ospitassero qualche abitazione, piccolo 
agglomerato o altro, anche se ora non più esistente; in questo caso 
potrebbe essere utilizzato per descrivere appunto "locations of former 
human settlements for which all taggable features are gone, but which 
still see use (and/or have value) as named locations"


m2c

Ale

On 11/11/19 17:28, demon_box wrote:

ciao, spesso trovo mappato il "Dosso Pinco Pallo" come place=locality

quello che dice il wiki per natural=peak

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dpeak

è chiaro e se capisco bene parla del punto più alto di una caratteristica
fisica naturale.

mi domando e perchè la cima di un "Dosso" se ben identificata non può
esserlo? declassandola ad un tag che secondo me in questo caso non c'entra
niente e cioè place=locality

lo posso capire soltanto se siamo in presenza di un "Dosso" che copre una
vasta area senza una sommità precisa ma altrimenti io metterei natural=peak
di sicuro.

voi che dite?

grazie

--enrico




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