[OSM-talk-ie] https://ohsome.org/apps/dashboard/

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

This tool https://ohsome.org/apps/dashboard/ shows how particular tags have 
developed quantity-wise over the years. You can for example see how 
highway=trunk has changed over time, by number of objects, length of way, etc. 
You can see that we have gone from 600,000 buildings in December 2018 to 
900,000 buildings in December 2019 to 1,350,000 buildings in December 2020 (50% 
growth rate each year). You can even track the total floor area of those mapped 
buildings over time (238,000,000m2 to date). You can select countries or 
various types of polygon to search in.

After being a few months behind for a time, it is now up to date to 5 December 
2020.

Some searches are resource-intensive, so try NOT to 'break' it! :)

Colm



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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Bing satellite image replaced

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

While up to date imagery is welcome, it can be selective. Urban areas seem to 
have a flood of newish imagery, while rural areas seem to have very little.

To be honest, I think some of the recent imagery is awful. You can see there is 
a road / building / river / whatever, but little else due to lack of definition.

That compares to previously being able to pick out streetlights and the poles 
at bus stops an identify them as such. The original Bing set should be kept, 
but tagged as dated. Detailed imagery is important as ground surveys can't go 
everywhere.

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OpenStreetMap Ireland projects - fixme

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

In addition to DaCor's and others' work on map notes, it might be useful if 
there was a concerted campaign to reduce the number of fixmes. There are some 
other tags that should really be fixmes. There are some old fixmes that have 
already been fixed and the tags just need to be removed.

  1.  bridge:ref=fixme 7
  2.
fixme=* 5190 (relentless growth)
  3.
fixme_1=* 1
  4.  FIXME=* 1614 (gradually being removed, some converted to fixme=*)
  5.  FixMe=* 2
  6.  Fixme=* 1
  7.  note~FIXME 45
  8.  shop=fixme 3

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OpenStreetMap Ireland projects - Check Autopista

[Colm Moore]

Tony,

It seems it will only load the motorways and possibly route relations (not any 
other roads) that are in view on screen. If you move around the country and 
click "Select freeway" and "See Freeways" it will give you a different list in 
the drop-down list. Sometimes it takes a moment. If you zoom out to see the 
whole island, it will ask you to zoom in.

I had a look over the motorways this morning. The main issues remaining are:

  1.  Standardise rest / service areas.
  2.  Add names and destination information to the rest of the junctions and 
rest / service areas - the nodes and the slip roads.
  3.  Speed limits - about 99% of motorway ways and 62% of motorway_link ways 
have a speed limit mapped.
  4.  Address fixmes and FIXMEs

Colm

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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2020 12:08:29 +
From: Tony Furnell 

Colm, that Check Autopista is a great tool, thanks for posting. It doesn't
come up with many roads across Ireland when you start a search though -
does this only apply to road routes that are marked as relations, or am I
missing a setting that allows me to view selected trunk etc. roads that
have ref=* tags?

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OpenStreetMap Ireland projects

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Hi,

It might be possible to do something similar to the Check Autopista project 
http://k1wiosm.github.io/checkautopista/ which checks the completeness of tags 
on motorways.

Start with motorways, move on to trunk and primary roads, etc. and make sure 
that each road has at least the basic information - maxspeed (where known), 
number of lanes, type of surfaces, route ref, one-way, etc. I have the 
motorways in reasonable condition already, but Check Autopista is throwing up 
some issues that I haven't addressed.

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Today's Topics:

   1. weeklyOSM #536 2020-10-20-2020-10-26 (weeklyteam)
   2. voltage warning (Tadeusz Cantwell)
   3. Townlands.ie project (Colm Moore)
   4. Re: Townlands.ie project (Brian Hollinshead)
   5. Re: Townlands.ie project (Brian Hollinshead)
   6. OpenStreetMap Ireland projects (Donal Hunt)


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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2020 17:00:07 +
From: Tadeusz Cantwell 
To: Discussion of OpenStreetMap in Ireland 
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Voltage warning

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

It is difficult to determine the exact voltage on each piece of the electricity 
network without going to inspect each individual device on site (potentially 
difficult, unsafe, potentially illegal), although there are some visual clues 
in the overhead photos (size of substation, power route, size & type of pole, 
etc.). There are hundreds of thousands of transformers and twice as much power 
line as there is public roads.

voltage=low, voltage:primary=low, voltage:secondary=low, etc. are placeholder 
values I created to help identify the voltages used on the power network.

  1.  voltage=* can apply to any part of any electrical device.
  2.  voltage:primary=* primarily applies to transformers and substations and 
is the voltage for the side the power is coming from.
  3.  voltage:secondary=* primarily applies to transformers and substations and 
is the voltage for the side the power is going to.
  4.  There are also voltage:tertiary=* and voltage:quaternary=* for locations 
with multiple voltages.

These are the values I have been using:

  1.  High = I presume the voltage to be 110,000 volts or higher but can't say 
which.
  2.  Medium = I presume the voltage to be 38,000 volts but can't say for 
definite.
  3.  Low = I presume the voltage to be 20,000 volts or lower but can't say 
which.

The network operators and voltages used across Ireland are below.

Could I ask where the error is showing? The usual debugging sites normally 
associate errors with the most recent contributor - usually me.

Colm

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EirGrid (Republic of Ireland and Ireland-Britain)
40 - high
22 - high
11 - high

ESB Networks (Republic of Ireland)
38000 - medium
2 - low
1 - low
400 (often referred to as 380-415) - low
230 (often referred to as 220-240) - low

NIE Networks (Northern Ireland)
40 - high
275000 - high
11 - high
33000 - medium
19000 - low
11000 - low
6600 - low
400 (often referred to as 380-415) - low
230 (often referred to as 220-240) - low

Mutual Energy (Northern Ireland-Britain)
25

Irish Rail
1500

Luas
750

Other Operators
60
33000
2
19000
1
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[OSM-talk-ie] Townlands.ie project

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

While this project is substantially complete, a few things arise. None of my 
comments below are criticism of any of the people who have contributed.

Some administrative areas have been broken and /or deleted. See examples below. 
If I find missing administrative areas could someone volunteer to add them?

The diagnostic page https://www.townlands.ie/progress/ is throwing up lots of 
issues, e.g. it looks for County Derry but the name in OSM is County 
Londonderry.

Some of the text on the Townlands.ie website is out of date, e.g. it refers to 
the project as being current.

The menu at the bottom doesn't seem to include all the main pages, e.g. 
https://www.townlands.ie/progress/

Colm



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Dublin City 
Mansion House B ED
Merchants Quay F ED
Rathmines East C ED

Fingal
Barberstown townland (between Blancharstown and Lucan).
Northwest corner EDs - Balscadden, Clonmethan, Garristown, Hollywood - only the 
1901 versions exist.
Overlap between Kilsallaghan ED and The Ward ED.
Off-shore islands not in any townland.

Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown
Off-shore islands not in any townland.

South Dublin
No apparent problems.
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[OSM-talk-ie] OSM database back online; Overpass-Turbo database 12 hours behind.

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

The OSM database was offline earlier this morning, but is back online

The Overpass-Turbo database is currently reporting being 12 hours behind.

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] religion=* and denomination=*

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

Apologies to the list and Mateusz for the confusion. :) Also apologies if I 
step on religious toes.

> From: Mateusz Konieczny 
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] religion=* and denomination=*
>
> Disclaimer: I never visited Ireland
>
> 27 paź 2020, 14:41 od colmmoor...@hotmail.com:
>
> > 3. Holy wells, mass rocks and the like. These are predominantly Roman 
> > Catholic, but possibly with pagan origins.
>
> Are they still used by pagans/new age people? For OSM purposes current usage 
> matters, not origins.

I concur that current usage matters. I suppose I'm wondering what the other 
tags should be. The below seem inadequate, not least that 
amenity=place_of_worship + religion=christian is interpreted as a church, not 
an open-air location like a Mass Rock (a location where Roman Catholic mass was 
said when Roman Catholicism was suppressed).

name=Holy Well
natural=spring
religion=christian
denomination=roman_catholic

name=Mass Rock
amenity=place_of_worship
religion=christian
denomination=roman_catholic

> > 5. Many religious-run schools do not have the religion or denomination 
> > tagged.
>
> It is a bit tricky as at least some religious-run schools have absolutely no 
> trace of religion in running of school, there is simply a religious 
> owner/operator.
>
> In such cases operator:type=religious would fit better than religion tag

As mentioned in the other email, about 95% of schools are religious in 
ownership, management, and practice, with most of the others being 
interdenominational or multidenominational. As primary school children usually 
have one teacher all week, in practice 95%+ of primary school teachers teach 
religion and need certification.

> > 8. There are religion=no, religion=none and denomination=none tags. Should 
> > these tags be rationalised or otherwise tidied up?
>
> How this tags are used?

Mostly for schools and cemeteries. In some cases, I suspect their use hasn't 
considered all nuances, e.g. some state-owned schools also have religious 
patrons or representation on the school board.

>
> Huh, I though that secularization/atheisation of Ireland was quite far 
> reaching and nearly complete. (good thing that I included that diclaimer)
>
> crucifixes in most classrooms applies also to Poland, but "school boards pray 
> at the start of board meetings" would be likely to be considered as 
> ridiculous.

Don't worry, many people here consider it ridiculous as well.

> AFAIK "teachers need to be certified to teach religion" applies only to 
> teachers teaching religion here and "Religious organisations own the vast 
> majority of schools" does not apply (mostly result of WW II damage and 
> communist occupation).

We have the reverse problem. Our constitution was written in 1937. On the one 
hand, it has a republican tradition, on the other, it was co-written by a 
bishop. There is a right to property in the constitution that was probably 
designed to be anti-communist, but it just so happens to be frustrating the 
transfer of under-used state-assisted schools from Roman Catholic patronage to 
interdenominational or multidenominational patronage.

Colm

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[OSM-talk-ie] Area/perimeter of Dublin City 1780 to 1985

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

The area seems to be in sq km and the perimeter in km. I wonder if the boundary 
is correct and / or meaningful at the likes of Bull Island and Dublin Port.

Note that several areas were transferred from the city to the county by the 
Local Government (Reorganisation) Act, 1985 
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1985/act/7/enacted/en/print#sec10 and the 
area is now about 115 sq km.

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] religion=* and denomination=*

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

This email is off-list. Thank you for the feedback - I'll wait for more people 
to comment before I answer your questions..

In the Republic of Ireland, religion is fairly all-pervasive in schools. 
Religious organisations own the vast majority of schools, school boards pray at 
the start of board meetings, there are crucifixes in most classrooms, teachers 
need to be certified to teach religion or it is difficult to get a job, there 
are no Sunday schools. Inter-Denominational and Multi-Denominational schools 
only account for 5% of schools and 7% of students. Non-Denominational schools 
are essentially non-existent. The religious organisations subvert the 
Department of Education.

Northern Ireland isn't much different.

The below data is for primary schools in the Republic of Ireland.

Colm

Mainstream Schools  %   Special Schools %   Total   %
Catholic  2,760 88.9%   105 78.4%  
2,86588.4%
Church Of Ireland1725.5%0.0%  
172   5.3%
Inter Denominational17  0.5% 1  0.7%
 18 0.6%
Jewish1 0.0%0.0%   1
0.0%
Methodist 1 0.0%0.0%
   10.0%
Multi Denominational 1364.4%  1914.2%   
  155   4.8%
Muslim2 0.1%0.0%   2
0.1%
Presbyterian16  0.5%0.0% 16 
0.5%
Quaker1 0.0%0.0%   1
0.0%
Other/Unknown9  6.7%   90.3%
Total 3,106 100.0%  134 100.0% 3,240
100.0%


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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 15:04:55 +0100 (CET)
From: Mateusz Konieczny 
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Disclaimer: I never visited Ireland

27 paź 2020, 14:41 od colmmoor...@hotmail.com:

> 3.  Holy wells, mass rocks and the like. These are predominantly Roman 
> Catholic, but possibly with pagan origins.
>
Are they still used by pagans/new age people? For OSM purposes current usage 
matters, not origins.

> 4.  Some objects have dual tagging, e.g. religion=christian;pagan or 
> denomination=protestant;roman_catholic Are people happy to have such tagging?
>
If say church is shared by Roman Catholic parish and Protestant congregation 
and not
used by other denominations then denomination=protestant;roman_catholic is 100% 
fine.

>  5.  Many religious-run schools do not have the religion or denomination 
> tagged.
>
It is a bit tricky as at least some religious-run schools have absolutely no 
trace of religion
in running of school, there is simply a religious owner/operator.

In such cases operator:type=religious would fit better than religion tag

>  8.  There are religion=no, religion=none and denomination=none tags. Should 
> these tags be rationalised or otherwise tidied up?
>
How this tags are used?

denomination=none seems fine for say ecumenical chapel used by all kinds of 
denomination
of a given religion...

> multifaith 47 <
>
This may be actually valid.

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[OSM-talk-ie] religion=* and denomination=*

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

brianh and I have done a fair bit of rationalisation of the tagging of these 
over the last few months. It has now reached a stability point where I am up 
against the limit of my knowledge of the mid-sized and smalles religious groups.


  1.  All known Church of Ireland objects are now tagged denomination=anglican 
and anglican=Church of Ireland.
  2.  All known Roman Catholic objects are now tagged 
denomination=roman_catholic - I've been able to retire denomination=catholic 
***Note that many denominations see themselves as catholic, without being Roman 
Catholic***. There are still a few hundred Roman Catholic churches tagged as 
builidng=yes.
  3.  Holy wells, mass rocks and the like. These are predominantly Roman 
Catholic, but possibly with pagan origins. How should they be tagged? 
amenity=place_of_worship doesn't sit well.
  4.  Some objects have dual tagging, e.g. religion=christian;pagan or 
denomination=protestant;roman_catholic Are people happy to have such tagging?
  5.  Many religious-run schools do not have the religion or denomination 
tagged.
  6.  There are a variety of community centres mapped, ranging for parish 
halls, church halls to Orange Halls, Legion of Mary, etc. Are 
amenity=community_centre and religion=* the right tags to use? Some community 
centres are not religious, e.g. council operated, and some religious buildings 
should / shouldn't be amenity=community_centre.
  7.  There are multifaith and interdenominational tags available. Use of 
denomination=protestant is probably to be discouraged, but there are a few hard 
cases, e.g. cemetery chapels.
  8.  There are religion=no, religion=none and denomination=none tags. Should 
these tags be rationalised or otherwise tidied up?
  9.  There are some religion=unknown and denomination=unknown objects where I 
haven't been able to determine things, despite desktop investigations.
  10. Subject specific question. There are several methodist=* and 
presbyterian=* sub-groups. Could someone help me define these?
  11. Subject specific question. Are denomination=pentecostal and 
denomination=elim_pentecostal the same thing?
  12. Subject specific question. Are denomination=plymouth_brethren and 
denomination=brethren the same thing?
  13. Subject specific question. Are denomination=independent and 
denomination=independent_evangelical the same thing?
  14. There are quite a few 'Fellowship' and similar churches around. What 
might suitable tagging for denomination=* be?
  15. Graveyards are cemeteries that are attached to a religious building. I 
have generally tagged graveyards with the same religion=* and denomination=* 
details, but **only if they are integrated**. Is this acceptable? In some 
areas, disused religious graveyards have been taken over by councils.
  16. Many cemeteries are run by councils. Individual sections may be allocated 
to specific groups. I am not tagging religion=* and denomination=* unless I 
have specific knowledge.

Lists of tags below with quantities. Anything with an arrow < 
could do with being looked at.

Thank you

Colm


-

amenity=place_of_worship 4384
amenity=place_of_worship and religion=* 4375
amenity=school and religion=* 509
amenity=community_centre and religion=* 87
amenity=grave_yard 2967
landuse=religious 1166
landuse=cemetery 1590

-

religion=* 8231

bahai 2
buddhist 8
christian 8125
christian;pagan 1 <
gos 1
hindu 4
jewish 9
multifaith 47 <
muslim 17
pagan 1
pastafarian 1 <
scientologist 2
sikh 2
spiritualist 2 <
no 1 <
none 7 <
unknown 1 <

-

denomination=* 8051

pentecostal 21 <
elim_pentecostal 29 <

plymouth_brethren 3 <
brethren 19 <

methodist 171 <
methodist;presbyterian 3 <
presbyterian 597 <

protestant 35 <
protestant;roman_catholic 3 <

independent 8 <
independent_evangelical 4 <

nondenominational 10 <
none 2 <
unknown 5 <

Assemblies_of_God 1 <
Christian Fellowship 1 <
adventist 1
ahmadiyya 1
amish_mennonite 1
anglican 3303
anglican;methodist 4 <
anglican;roman_catholic 1 <
apostolic 3 <
baptist 85
christ_scientist 2
church_of_god 3 <
congregational 16 <
coptic_orthodox 4
evangelical 23 <
gospel 42 <
greek_orthodox 1
hare_krishna 2
huguenot 1
indian_orthodox 1
jehovahs_witness 30
lutheran 1
moravian 6
mormon 15
nazarene 10 <
new_testament 1 <
orthodox 1
progressive 2
quaker 25
roman_catholic 3521
romanian_orthodox 1
russian_orthodox 3
salvation_army 12

[OSM-talk-ie] building:levels=*

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

There's a discussion at 
https://twitter.com/CiaranStaunton/status/1320505496105820163 on 
building:levels=* https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building:levels which 
is used for marking the number of above-ground levels of a building.

There are about 3,000 entries on Ireland where the number isn't a whole number. 
Sometimes this may represent the likes of dormer buildings, which are sometimes 
described colloquially as and one-and-a-half-storey or two-and-a-half-storey 
houses. in other cases, it may have been used instead of height=*.

I'm wondering if anyone has any insights as to how people were interpreting the 
tag.

Colm

PS And yes, I mapped a bunch of zero-storey buildings. :)

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[OSM-talk-ie] A big thank you to ...

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

Big thanks are due to ...

DaCor and a few other contributors for cutting down the number of open map 
notes in Ireland from about 2,000 to about 600 over the last 2 months. Lists of 
open notes can be seen here: 
http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-notes-country?c=Ireland and here: 
http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-notes-country?c=United%20Kingdom or in this 
view of the map. 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/new#map=10/53.3391/-6.8939=N ** It 
would be good if people could respond to outstanding notes within their area of 
knowledge. **

brianh for the vast amount of mapping he has done of Church of Ireland features 
and then rationalising the tagging of those features. The number of 
denomination=anglican objects has gone from about 500 objects 2 years ago to 
about 3,300 objects this week, including many parish boundaries. The number of 
anglican=Church of Ireland objects has gone from about 200 objects 2 years ago 
to about 3,300 objects this week.

Thank you

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] overpass-turbo.eu - database not updating.

[Colm Moore]

Hi again,

There is now a live outage notice on that page.

The "currentness of data" is currently given as 16 hours on overpass-turbo.eu. 
The problem is with the data on the Overpass-Turbo server, which normally takes 
data from the OSM servers every few minutes. Data on the OSM server is fine.

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[OSM-talk-ie] overpass-turbo.eu - database not updating.

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

The site is working, but the data seems to be stuck at about 9pm on 14 October. 
Does anyone have contact details for the site operators?

Are there any alternative sites? http://overpass-turbo.openstreetmap.ie/ hadn't 
worked in a long time.

Thank you

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] some of my inconsistent tagging - cure sought

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

Part of the discrepancy in the number of instances may be down to the tag being 
applied to other abjects - churches, church halls, graveyards, etc.

From http://stat.latlon.org/ie/latest/tags-a.html

Last update: 2020-09-17T23:48:08Z

anglican=* (1987)
anglican=Church Of Ireland (685)
anglican=Church Of Ireland (CofI) (16)
anglican=Church of Ireland (1085)
anglican=church_of_ireland (3) - I've changed all of these to "Church of 
Ireland".
anglican=church_of_ireland_(cofi) (198)

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[OSM-talk-ie] Townlands in Monaghan

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

Aren't the Wikipedia Category pages auto-generated? If a page doesn't exist for 
the barony, it won't be listed.

Notably Dún Laoghaire–Rathdown and South Dublin appear to be completely 
unpopulated on that page.

Colm

PS Apologies for including a chunk of the digest in my previous email.

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[OSM-talk-ie] Tagging of LEAs that changed in 2019

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

The islands at Skerries are small and uninhabited. Ireland's Eye is much 
bigger. Lambay island is bigger again and inhabited. The commission reports are 
recommendations, with the text being the actual recommendations, not the maps. 
Constituencies are actually determined by the associated legislation, which is 
text based.

Colm

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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 21:42:44 +0100
From: Colm Donoghue 
To: Discussion of OpenStreetMap in Ireland 
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Tagging of LEAs that changed in 2019
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The map of Holmpatrick LE district is different on
https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.townlands.ie%2Fholmpatrick%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7C65cea35b0735439a398308d857d4b95c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637355918430524513sdata=yMdrZbkFzmDUmdhtWhOwoclV3cHkxKEboJEB1hAB9HY%3Dreserved=0
 than the map on
https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.boundarycommittee.ie%2FMaps%2FFingal%2520LEA%2520Report%2520Map%25202018.pdfdata=02%7C01%7C%7C65cea35b0735439a398308d857d4b95c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637355918430524513sdata=eRYS5iEZeTMEaHkBawlbXVTjWBNwmHt%2FLswyyHsG5jU%3Dreserved=0

The skerries arent included on the boundary commission map, but are on
townlands/osm

Which is correct?
Colm


Ar Sath 12 MFómh 2020 ag 12:16, scríobh Colm Moore :

> Hi,
>
> I think Brian's approach is reasonable. I would make sure they are tagged
> with dates, even so far as adding the date to the name.
>
> Colm
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 10:30:29 +0100
From: Brian Hollinshead 
To: Discussion of OpenStreetMap in Ireland 
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Tagging of LEAs that changed in 2019
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As mapper of these and nearby parts I find that Colm Donoghues question
raises more issues than the one he lists.

My prime source for the townlands was the GSGS3906 overlay in JOSM and at
the time I had access to the 1901 Census index of townlands.

The Boundary commission map. I notice that while they do not show the three
Islands (Colt’s Island, Shennick’s Island and St Patrick’s Island), they do
further south include Ireland’s Eye. In any case when adding the LEAs I
paid no heed to their map as the maps in the report are clearly marked
copyright Ordnance Survey Ireland / Government of Ireland and I believed I
was therefore not allowed to include any data from them.

Holmpatrick ED. In the General Register Office Report No 17 of May
1885,(National Library Ref A11972), the three islands are clearly listed as
part of Holmpatrick Civil Parish, Holmpatrick ED Balrothery Poor Law Union
etc. Maybe there was legislation since that? *Please if anyone knows of
such legislation or of a newer or better definitive source of ED detail
please do shout out loud*.

LEA boundaries as on OSM. When I added these, the only way I knew was by
making a relation comprised of the existing external pieces of the
constituent Eds. Bit by bit, like a daisy chain. As a result I make the
mistake of excluding the external bits. Not only did I miss the islands but
also about 7 acres of a loose part of Jordanstown, ( the yellow spot on the
west of the Fingal map), and ditto the loose 6 acres of Rallekaystown off
the south edge. I will now correct my errors and add them next week unless
somebody volunteers a better source of detail.

Now some real good news, to add external boundaries of several areas as
one, use John Kennedys brilliant new 2020 ‘select dissolved members’ plugin
for Josm in the relation box menu. Thanks John.

On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 at 21:43, Colm Donoghue  wrote:

> The map of Holmpatrick LE district is different on
> https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.townlands.ie%2Fholmpatrick%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7C65cea35b0735439a398308d8

[OSM-talk-ie] Irish Pub preset

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

It's good that it is disabled for Ireland. My inner tidiness freak wouldn't 
like relabelling 10,000 pubs. :)

Colm

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Tagging of LEAs that changed in 2019

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

I think Brian's approach is reasonable. I would make sure they are tagged with 
dates, even so far as adding the date to the name.

Colm

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[OSM-talk-ie] Changeset needs reversal

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/87511278#map=13/54.0812/-7.4201

Most of / all this changeset needs reversal, especially the N3, where the 
bypass was mapped. I would be grateful if someone could help.

Colm

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[OSM-talk-ie] Some good news!

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

Gradually, I am using http://stat.latlon.org/ie/latest/ to remove deprecated / 
erroneous tags.

As of today, highway=road is no more!

Colm

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[OSM-talk-ie] brand=*

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

Over the last month I have been tidying up brand=* and associated name=* and 
operator=* tags, with 2,000-3,000 changes. It should make finding all (mapped) 
branches of a chain easier to find - no more Applegreen, AppleGreen, Apple 
Green, etc. brand:wikidata and brand:wikipedia have also be populated for lots 
of the entries.

However, I can't personally check every shop and petrol station in the country, 
so I would be grateful if people could keep an eye out on the following brands 
in particular?

  1.  Topaz - are these now all Circle K / Circle K Express?
  2.  Excol / ExCol - what have these rebranded to?
  3.  02 - are these now all some version of 3 / Three?
  4.  First Trust / First Trust Bank - are these now all AIB?
  5.  ACC Bank - no longer exists as a bank.
  6.  Irish Nationwide - no longer exists
  7.  National Irish Bank - should be Danske Bank.
  8.  Halfords - is this the same as Halfords Autocentre? Do they all do car 
parts and bikes?
  9.  There will also be other petrol stations and shops that don't have any 
name, brand or operator tagged.
  10. St. Vincent de Paul - this operates under different names for different 
functions. If anyone understand the details, could they contact me?

In the meantime, if anyone see any egregious errors, please let me know. :)

Colm

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Broken West Cork Islands

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

While the West Cork Islands have been corrected, after 3 months Courtown 
appears not to have and there are currently roads, etc. in the sea. Is there 
someone we can alert?

Colm

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> From: Colm Moore 
> Sent: 02 March 2020 01:00
> To: talk-ie@openstreetmap.org 
> Subject: Broken West Cork Islands
>
> Hi again,
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/219260377
>
> It also looks like someone hit the 'Circularise' button at Courtown.
>
> Can this be undone, or does it need a re-draw?

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[OSM-talk-ie] name=Éire / Ireland

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/62273

Someone has set the name of the (Republic of) Ireland to "Éire / Ireland". 
Whatever about Irish constitutional nuances, OSM usually uses one field=one 
piece of data. I'm inclined to change it to name=Ireland, given that Ireland is 
the name that most people use.

Separately, there is the matter of lots of the international translations are 
of "Republic of Ireland" instead of "Ireland". Does anyone have thoughts on how 
to deal with potential grammatical issues in rationalising these?

Colm

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Talk-ie Digest, Vol 132, Issue 5

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

From: Dave Corley 
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Estimate of number of building=* in Ireland

> The fact that so many buildings are being mapped as building=yes
> when more accurate tagging is plainly obvious makes this an utterly
> frustrating project.

Yes, it can be frustrating for some people. However, realise that the majority 
of contributors are people who only make a few dozens edits or less. These 
contributors can provide good local information, but might not know how to 
precisely tag many things.

Other people revel in adding detail - in terms of nodes half of all my 
contribution to OSM is fleshing-out things with tags that other people have 
mapped. In terms of tags, it is possible it is much higher.

Then there are others that like to go back and standardise things, e.g. many 
mobile phone masts get mapped as man_made=tower instead of man_made=mast. I did 
an exercise recently to correct and flesh out many of these, adding the 
landuse, site boundary, buildings, etc. In a  few months, I'll do another 
exercise.

Much of my editing has been in power, railways, pipelines, post, police, 
man_made objects, bus stops, speed limits (where I will also add surface=* and 
lanes=*) and the places I have lived or visited because those are things I have 
at least some knowledge about. However, in some cases, it has taken years to 
build up that knowledge. The only relations I have mapped are junction turn 
restrictions. I have never mapped a townland - but I'm currently going through 
them to add logainm references.

We are all contributing.

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[OSM-talk-ie] Estimate of number of building=* in Ireland

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

Apologies, there was something else I meant to mention.

Some locations have a very low number of building polygons per capita (i.e. 
implying high number of people per building). This may be **suggestive** of 
locations that are under-mapped. This bears out in some of suburbs on the 
Kilkenny side of Waterford city, where there are lots of unmappable (tree cover 
and fuzzy images) garden sheds, etc. There are other reasons for this, like 
apartment buildings, terraced houses mapped as building=terrace, etc.

On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 14:38, Donie Kelly  wrote:

> Don’t buildings have tags? Did I see a residential tag? Is it used in all
> cases?

Yes, buildings can be given detailed descriptions, e.g. building=house, 
building=apartments. However, about half of the buildings on the island just 
use building=yes. Only saying building=yes gets the building on the map 
quickly, makes them readily findable and lets other mappers fill in details 
later. Not all buildings are readily identifiable from aerial images and 
details like number of storeys can be even harder to determine.

Note that building=residential can be used for buildings that are residential, 
but the type isn't readily identifiable, e.g. I saw some semi-detached houses 
in Kilkenny that were attached back-to-back instead of side-to-side.

Interpreting the total number of buildings on the island from the total number 
of, say houses, would be more complicated than comparing number of buildings in 
Kilkenny to the number of buildings on the island.

On Thu, 14 May 2020 11:47:29 Tadeusz Cantwell  wrote:

> The residential tag should be used for an area not a house.

Yes, landuse=residential should be used for residential sites / estates / 
neighbourhoods. The iD editor now supports additional sub-tags, e.g. 
residential=rural, residential=apartments and residential=halting_site You can 
also add name=* to the likes of housing estates, which can help detail the 
hierarchy of a town.

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[OSM-talk-ie] Estimate of number of building=* in Ireland

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

Inspired by seeing the estimate in the Microgrant application of 5.5 million 
buildings on the island of Ireland, I did some number crunching.

I downloaded the populations of Kilkenny townlands (1,500+) from the CSO and 
analysed the population against the number of buildings per civil parish (100+) 
for County Kilkenny. This is assuming Kilkenny has all or nearly all buildings 
mapped. Based on my inspections, this is largely true.

The CSO data is somewhat distorted for the Kilkenny city area (100+ townlands), 
due to the way the CSO have arranged the townlands and civil parishes. I could 
look at this in more detail, but there would be a few hours of effort (unless 
someone has a simple way of calculating number of buildings per area, for a 
large number of areas).

I calculated the 'number of buildings per civil parish' using the Overpass 
Turbo query [building=* in "civilparishname, Kilkenny"]. Overpass Turbo gives a 
summary of the data in the bottom right corner of the screen, e.g. 

Loaded – nodes: 4261, ways: 867, relations: 2
Displayed – pois: 0, lines: 0, polygons: 866

I took the number of polygons to mean the number of buildings (this might not 
be perfect - I don't know how those numbers add up). Additionally, some 
polygons, e.g. building=terrace represent several buildings, while in other 
cases buildings may have been crudely split or joined-up.

Depending on the civil parish, we're looking at 0.32-2.29 polygons per capita 
(0.44-3.15 people per building). Rural areas ten to have more polygons per 
capita, especially due to farm outbuildings, while urban areas have fewer 
polygons per capita, due to apartments buildings and semi-detached buildings 
(e.g. two square houses joined together might have only six nodes).

I also calculated 4.40-5.83 nodes per polygon. This means some civil parishes 
have predominantly rectangular polygons / buildings, whereas others have many 
L-shaped or other-shaped polygons / buildings.

As I wasn't able to immediately get some 'number of buildings per civil parish' 
numbers (Overpass Turbo had problems returning them, possibly due to duplicate 
names and variations in name spellings), I had to calculate them from their 
component townlands, using the Overpass Turbo query [building=* in 
"townlandname, civilparishname, Kilkenny"].

Depending on the townland, we're looking at 0.23-8.00 polygons per capita 
(0.13-4.37 people per building) and 3.91-6.45 nodes per polygon (i.e. some 
townlands have large numbers of semi-detached or terraced buildings, whereas 
others have a high number of complicated-shape polygons / buildings or 
buildings with too many mapped nodes). It is usual to see more extreme spreads 
when looking at smaller areas.

I'm coming up with about 5.4 million (close enough!) buildings for the whole 
island, assuming the pattern is the same everywhere. However, as shown by 
analysing the smaller areas, there is variation and the 'final' number will 
vary from that. Of course, given that OSM is an ongoing project, there will 
never be a final number.

Colm
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[OSM-talk-ie] OpenStreetMap Ireland Microgrant Application

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

How do we do the "*Community members are encouraged to endorse your project 
request here!*" bit?

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[OSM-talk-ie] Defaced townlands

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

Barberstown townland in west Dublin is missing and the "Hansfield or 
Phibblestown" and Barnhill townland boundaries are incorrect. I've started a 
map note here https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2120283 Could someone have a 
look at them?

Separately, Lambay Island https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3546834 and 
Irelands Eye https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4603600 need to be added to 
the Fingal council area and Dublin County.

Is there a way to lock townlands so that only people who know about / 
appreciate townlands can't edit them?

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[OSM-talk-ie] Broken West Cork Islands

[Colm Moore]

Hi again,

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/219260377

It also looks like someone hit the 'Circularise' button at Courtown.

Can this be undone, or does it need a re-draw?

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[OSM-talk-ie] Broken West Cork Islands

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=12/51.4733/-9.4500

There is a group of broken islands in West Cork - Sherkin Island, Spanish 
Island, Ringarogy Island, Inishbeg, Cléire and some islets.

I think the problem is related to the coastline. Could someone have a look?

Thank you

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[OSM-talk-ie] Bypasses

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

New Ross Bypass - due to open this week. I had a look over the mapping the 
other day. It just needs conversion from highway=construction to highway=* Does 
anyone know the new regional road reference numbers?

Naas Bypass - are the three lanes open on both sides yet?

Does anyone know the status?
* A5 Dualling
* Castlebar-Westport
* Colloney-Castlebaldwin
* Donabate Bypass
* Dungiven-Derry
* Mullingar-Devlin
* Ratoath Outer Relief Road
* Sallins Bypass

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Tagging in the building tasks

[Colm Moore]

Hi

I think much of the mapping recently in Kilkenny has been down to a single user 
who, like anyone, might not appreciate the issue or have the skillset to 
identify or map different building types. They may have misinterpreted "Map all 
the buildings!". There are certain features where many users, even experience 
ones, just add basic tagging. Others will come back and fill in the details.

b-unicycling has created 222,594 new nodes and 36,218 buildings in the last 
**two months** and is currently the busiest mapper in Ireland, while 
essentially only mapping in Kilkenny. In 6 years, I've only ever created 
633,133 new nodes, but I've 1,157,614 map changes, so we have very different 
mapping styles. b-unicycling is mapping lots of features an the prompts in ID 
for the last four features is less useful for this style of mapping. A direct 
contact might be useful - I can do that if you like, as b-unicycling and I have 
chatted before. If  b-unicycling is on this mailing list, well done in you 
mapping.

ID has become more friendly recently to doing large scale editing as you can 
now add several tags in one copy & paste action. Select a feature and in the 
left hand panel, at "All tags" there are buttons for "list" and "text". It 
means that with, for example, a housing estate (with identical roads), once the 
lines of all the roads are mapped, adding road type, speed limit, lanes, 
surface, etc. just becomes a copy & paste exercise.

http://stat.latlon.org/ has an error for Ireland and Northern Ireland at the 
moment. Could I ask where you get the stats?

Colm
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[OSM-talk-ie] ID freezing / hanging

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Hi,

I exclusively use ID. Yeah, sue me. :) It has improved a lot.

Over the last few weeks, it has been freezing / hanging a lot, for 30-60 
seconds every few minutes. It coincides with me doing a lot of editing in 
Lesotho, mostly adding / correcting tags to existing ways.

Might this be because many of the ways (typically roads in extremely rural 
areas) involved have as many as a thousand nodes?

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Computer advice

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

It might be useful to get a slightly larger screen than usual. Alternatively, 
some computers support a second screen.

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 17:16:15 -0500
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Open-Streeters, I am retired from Miami University (Oxford, OH, IT
Services) and interested in your OpenStreet dialogues and wonderful
discussions forums. I have been following these for a while with an
interest in GIS as it relates to places, genealogy and history (some family
lines from Ireland).

   1. Considering a Christmas present for myself and need your
   recommendations on hardware (computer) configurations.
   2. I could obtain a copy of ArcGIS.  Or do you use QGIS?

I would appreciate your recommendations.   Perhaps I could help out from
afar.

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Hi Thomas!

Most modern machines will more than suffice for the use of openstreetmap
editing but it really depends on what you want to do. I've managed to get
people editing the map using ID (the web browser editor) on a low-end
Chromebook. For more intensive work, you may want something with an i5 or
i7 processor, 8-16gb ram and an SSD storage device. A good mouse is
mandatory.

For editors, many people use JOSM as a local client but depending on what
you're looking to achieve, QGIS is quite popular too.

The community is always happy to get feedback and insight from as diverse a
field as possible so encourage you to pick something, try it and let us
know how you get on.

Regards

Donal

On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 at 22:17, Thomas A. Montgomery 
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> Open-Streeters, I am retired from Miami University (Oxford, OH, IT
> Services) and interested in your OpenStreet dialogues and wonderful
> discussions forums. I have been following these for a while with an
> interest in GIS as it relates to places, genealogy and history (some family
> lines from Ireland).
>
>1. Considering a Christmas present for myself and need your
>recommendations on hardware (computer) configurations.
>2. I could obtain a copy of ArcGIS.  Or do you use QGIS?
>
> I would appreciate your recommendations.   Perhaps I could help out from
> afar.
>
> The Yank
> --
> Thomas A. Montgomery, Ph.D.
> 515 Vinnedge Ct.
> Fairfield, OH 45014
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[OSM-talk-ie] New Bing aerial imagery

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

There is new Bing aerial imagery available, certainly in the Dublin area. It 
seems to be from 2019.

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[OSM-talk-ie] Crops mapping tools - 2

[Colm Moore]

Hi again,

I forgot to mention.

I think the best way to do things would be to have the app link to a database 
that records each feature. The database can be linked to maps shapes store 
either on the database or OSM. The risk with storing them on OSM is that people 
can delete them or edit them in ways that adversely affect your work.

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[OSM-talk-ie] What are your 'must map' features?

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

So, for whatever reason, some of us are interested in specific localities or 
projects, e.g. minutely mapping a whole village or neighbourhood, all the roads 
in a county or perhaps something more specific, e.g. mapping all shops in a 
chain or technical, e.g. I do a fair bit of debugging of disconnected roads.

There are some features that I feel I 'must' map, e.g. if something has a 
reference number (road, bus stop, rubbish bin (Dublin City Council has them)), 
I want to map it. I *really* like mapping / filling in details on electrical 
transformers (I'm the most recent editor of 2,274 of 2,285 transformers mapped 
in Ireland). I can smell them at 50 metres! :) Or rather, I've mapped so many I 
can tell in a neighbourhood where I am likely to find one.

I also run scripts through Over-Pass Turbo a few times a month, searching for 
police stations, post office infrastructure and power facilities that need 
their tagging improved. I also map pipelines & storage  tanks. I've mapped lots 
of railway, but there are relatively few feature left to map.

Most of the time, mapping driveways an houses bores me.

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[OSM-talk-ie] Less serious discussions on this list

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

As this list has been quiet recently, it was suggested on the trip to Galway 
that we create some on-topic, but less serious discussions that people can 
partake more and keep the list going, but NO SPAM. :)

So, I'm going to start a "What are your 'must map' features?" discussion. I'm 
sure there are other discussions we could have - "What's the feature here? (on 
aerial photos or in real life)", "Gates: map them as ways or nodes?" 
"Sidewalks: map as part of the road or as a separate way?", "I hate mapping X, 
is there a better way to do it?"

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[OSM-talk-ie] Administrative Boundary -v- Boundary

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

I tidied up the boundary of Cruiserath townland in Dublin 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5409087#map=15/53.4170/-6.3773 if 
someone could check it. I'm not happy that I got it all correct.

Looking at some of the adjacent townlands, especially those to the south, some 
seem to have an 'Administrative Boundary' while others have a 'Boundary'. I'm 
not sure what the difference is. I think they definitely need a look.

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[OSM-talk-ie] Main road deleted in error

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

Shangort Road in Galway city has been deleted. I'm not sure how to find the 
changeset to undo this.

Any ideas?

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[OSM-talk-ie] Excessive imagery offset

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

Here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/201187920 the Esri World Imagery is 
offset by about 30 metres relative to the other imagery, whereas they would 
normally be within a few metres of each other and never more than about 10 
metres. Is there somewhere / someone we can report this to?

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[OSM-talk-ie] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.ie/

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

This has been down for a few days. Could someone look at it?

"We're sorry, but something went wrong.

We've been notified about this issue and we'll take a look at it shortly.

Information for the administrator of this website"

Thank you

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[OSM-talk-ie] OSM Inspector Changes

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/

Changes have been made to the Routing View over the last month. The old version 
has now been withdrawn and the new version has taken its place. As OMSI wasn't 
updating the debugging, there is now a backlog of about a month's worth of 
bugs, if anyone would like to help out in clearing them. :) The most common 
issue is highways that are nearly, but not, connected. Where possible, they 
should either be connected or marked as noexit=yes.

I hope to be at the AGM on Saturday, so can explain things to people. 
Alternatively, just drop me an email / direct message (VictorIE).

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[OSM-talk-ie] building=ruins

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

It seems that we have been using building=ruins incorrectly a lot. :) It does 
**not** refer to the ruins of a building, but to buildings that were 
deliberately built as ruins, e.g. a folly you might find in a formal garden. 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building=ruins There appears to be 
about 800 instances. http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/JBK with some clustering in 
certain areas.

In general, historic=ruins should be used, but alternatives are discussed here: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Druins When there is none of 
the building left historic=archaeological_site can be used.

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[OSM-talk-ie] New imagery, new ID Editor features.

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

From today, there is new imagery available, certainly for Dublin. It seems to 
date from 2017 (Luas BXD is nearly complete, One Molesworth Street site 
cleared). Offset seems to be minimal against Bing. Imagery isn't as crisp as 
Bing. Like Bing, there may be some distortion in the image correction at 
bridges.

Image sets:
* Maxar Premium Imagery (Beta)
* Maxar Standard Imagery (Beta)

Further to recent changes, since yesterday the iD Editor also has a variety of 
new features, including:
* In Map Data > Map Features there are new categories for Building Parts, 
Indoor Features, Pistes, Aerial Features.
* In Map Data > Map Features you can select "Disable All" and "Enable All"

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[OSM-talk-ie] Teaching location - Ballyhalbert, Co. Down

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

If anyone is looking for an unmapped location so they can teach OSM to people, 
then Ballyhalbert, Co. Down has very little mapping done.

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Proposed mechanical edit - elimination of old-style Wikipedia links in Ireland

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

Note that subject:wikipedia=* doesn't create a hyperlink like wikipedia=* does. 
I'll hold off making changes for the moment.

Compare these:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1350073645
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5167698292

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Talk-ie Digest, Vol 118, Issue 12

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Hi,

I'll sort out the memorials. :) If one does subject:wikipedia does one also 
need to do subject:wikidata ?

Some less obvious "wiki" related tags.

  *   FIXME
  *   artist:wikipedia
  *   brand:wikidata
  *   brand:wikipedia
  *   fixme
  *   flag
  *   image
  *   name:etymology:wikidata
  *   note
  *   operator:wikidata
  *   operator:wikipedia
  *   photo
  *   photograph
  *   royal_cypher:wikidata
  *   source:data
  *   source:image
  *   source:name
  *   source:ref
  *   subject:wikidata
  *   subject:wikipedia
  *   url
  *   website

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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 16:11:57 +
From: Andy Mabbett 

On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 13:04, Colm Moore  wrote:

> 2. I add the wikipedia tag to a variety of objects, not just geographical 
> entities.

Please don't do that; at least not in the manner discussed below.

> Memorials
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4217632743

That should be subject:wikipedia=en:Lafcadio Hearn.


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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Proposed mechanical edit - elimination of old-style Wikipedia links in Ireland

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Hi,

1. If it makes things easier for people, then go for it.

2. I add the wikipedia tag to a variety of objects, not just geographical 
entities. Why won't these be converted?

Politician's office
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6343961415

Memorials
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4217632743
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6305566850
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6307195859
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5303844909
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5500055968
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3506865301
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5167698292
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4230221810

Historic feature
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6307110273

3. There are some features where the name of the Wikipedia entry has changed, 
e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3079181210/history and 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Col%C3%A1iste_Moibh%C3%AD - I have no 
recollection of adding the OSM entry originally. :)

4. Are there actually only about 40 entries to be changed?

http://stat.latlon.org/ie/latest/tags-w.html

  *   wikidata 3904
  *   wikimedia_commons 3
  *   wikipedia 1633
  *   wikipedia:de 1
  *   wikipedia:en 38
  *   wikipedia:fi 1
  *   wikipedia_1 1

5. Is there a big discrepancy between the number of wikidata (3904) and 
wikimedia (1633) objects? Is this an issue?

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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 09:49:08 +0100 (CET)
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Links detected as invalid (leading to disambigs, articles about humans,
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[OSM-talk-ie] Roads Act 1993 (Classification of Regional / National Roads) (Amendment) Orders 2018

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

There were some new orders last year. I'm not sure if they have been mapped.


This is a list of all such current orders.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2012/si/53/made/en/print
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2012/si/54/made/en/print
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2015/si/273/made/en/print
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2016/si/131/made/en/print
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2018/si/434/made/en/print
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2018/si/435/made/en/print

Wikipedia will also need updating.

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[OSM-talk-ie] Townlands and N.I

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

Note that townlands are likely used for other purposes, e.g. conveyancing.

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[OSM-talk-ie] New Local Electoral Areas 2018

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

Please be careful. While the committee report are usually followed, there may 
be changes in certain circumstances.

It is best to use the SIs previously linked to.

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Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2019 18:02:26 -
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Subject: [OSM-talk-ie] New Local Electoral Areas 2018

New Local Electoral Areas 2018

Actually I have already  _finished_ Connacht and Ulster, I started this over
a week back. Also done Kerry and Longford and SW Cork.

Data here (rural counties)

https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.boundarycommittee.ie%2Freports%2FLocal%2520Electoral%2520Area%2520Boundary%25data=02%7C01%7C%7C0bf62a984d3f4c7ce33a08d69519ea31%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636860335861578580sdata=GeHwqlmasAKQGDtrpaWUG91mtGYnwL8y9IXKkAngWhY%3Dreserved=0
20Committee%20No.1%20Report%20-%202018.pdf

Cities

https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.boundarycommittee.ie%2Freports%2FLEA%2520BC%2520No.%25202%2520Report%2520-%2520FIdata=02%7C01%7C%7C0bf62a984d3f4c7ce33a08d69519ea31%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636860335861578580sdata=jrWCj6OuugGn9zfzZZLBNjLqUNXel5aT4HM8vzn4jR8%3Dreserved=0
NAL%20WEBSITE%20MASTER%20COPY.pdf
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[OSM-talk-ie] Cork City Boundary

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

I went to school with the Lord Mayor. I'll try to have a word. :)

To put it simply, the area is defined by a particular map that has been 
deposited with the Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government.

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The legal situation

From: 
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2019/act/1/section/8/enacted/en/html#sec8
8. Subject to section 27 , the relevant area shall—
(a) on the transfer day, cease to be part of the administrative area of the 
county council, and
(b) from that day, be part of the administrative area of the city council.


From 
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2019/act/1/section/2/enacted/en/html#sec2
“relevant area” means the area inside the red line (but not including the red 
line) and hatched in green on the deposited map;
“deposited map” means the map (a true copy of which was laid before each House 
of the Oireachtas on 25 July 2018)—
(a) deposited on behalf of the Minister at the offices of the Department of 
Housing, Planning and Local Government situated at the Custom House in the city 
of Dublin, on 25 July 2018 for the purpose of the Cork boundary alteration,
(b) described as having been deposited for that purpose, and
(c) sealed with the official seal of the Minister;

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Council page: 
https://www.corkcity.ie/en/council-services/public-info/boundary-extension/

Oh the ironing (large PDF): 
https://www.corkcity.ie/en/media-folder/public-info/cork-city-boundary-map.pdf

The council map is on Arcgis here: 
http://corkcity.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=570fc5da59ca4b60b6e8fede282881bf

This defines the electoral areas (not the city boundary): 
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2019/si/27/made/en/pdf

Aside: Cork historical maps, including boundaries: 
http://www.corkpastandpresent.ie/mapsimages/corkinoldmaps/

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[OSM-talk-ie] New Local Electoral Areas 2018

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

It is useful to have the current electoral areas. Putting the date on them 
indicates (accuracy aside) they are the current ones.

Having past ones listed (and dated) means that one can avoid the situation of 
someone finding an old source and editing the current boundaries to fit 
historical boundaries.

It is also nice to have and to be able to understand how boundaries have 
evolved.

As an aside, when roads get realigned, statutory boundaries do **not** change, 
so users should be careful in such circumstances.

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Hi,

Can I ask a stupid question or two

Why do we need to reflect previous ed boundaries?

Is OSM the right place to store that info?

Could someone reuse that data later in the same manner they use the current
boundary data?

Is it just a "nice to have" bit of info?

Dave

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[OSM-talk-ie] New Local Electoral Areas 2018

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

Those two seem fine, although the names of two the constituent EDs are slightly 
different between the SI and OSM,

SI: Dun Laoghaire-Sallynoggin West
OSM: Dun Laoghaire Sallynoggin West ED

SI: Dun Laoghaire-Sandycove
OSM: Dún Laoghaire-Sandycove ED

I would add the year to the name=* and alt_name=* fields. You could add a link 
to the SI (some SIs may only be available as PDFs).

There are two orders each for Louth, Meath and Wicklow, which amend some names.

Note that the boundary of Cork City is radically different and that the 
European constituencies will be Brexit dependent.

List of orders for all councils below.

Colm

2019 http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2019/si
6  County Of Louth Local Electoral Areas And Municipal Districts (Amendment) 
Order 2019
7 County Of Wicklow Local Electoral Areas And Municipal Districts (Amendment) 
Order 2019
8 County Of Meath Local Electoral Areas And Municipal Districts (Amendment) 
Order 2019
27 City Of Cork Local Electoral Areas Order 2019
28 County Of Cork Local Electoral Areas And Municipal Districts Order 2019

2018 http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2018/si
610 County of Carlow Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018.
611 County of Cavan Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018.
612 County of Clare Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018.
613 County of Donegal Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018.
614 City of Dublin Local Electoral Areas Order 2018.
615 County of Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown Local Electoral Areas Order 2018.
616 County of Fingal Local Electoral Areas Order 2018.
617 City of Galway Local Electoral Areas Order 2018.
618 County of Galway Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018.
619 County of Kerry Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018.
620 County of Kildare Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018.
621 County of Kilkenny Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018.
622 County of Laois Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018.
623 County of Leitrim Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018.
624 City and County of Limerick Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts 
Order 2018.
625 County of Longford Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018.
626 County of Louth Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018.
627 County of Mayo Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018.
628 County of Meath Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018.
629 County of Monaghan Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018.
630 County of Offaly Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018.
631 County of Roscommon Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 
2018.
632 County of Sligo Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018.
633 County of South Dublin Local Electoral Areas Order 2018.
634 County of Tipperary Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 
2018.
635 City and County of Waterford Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts 
Order 2018.
636 County of Westmeath Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 
2018.
637 County of Wexford Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018.
638 County of Wicklow Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018.

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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 19:54:02 +
From: Brian Hollinshead 
Subject: [OSM-talk-ie] New Local Electoral Areas 2018


It is four years since the last change in LEAs.
Last Summer a boundary commission issued new proposals and in December new
Statutory Instruments were issued. I learnt today of the references for the
four Dublin areas.
SI 614 2018 Dublin City
SI 615 2018 DLR
SI 616 2018 Fingal
SI 633 2018  South Dublin.

see 
https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishstatutebook.ie%2Feli%2F2018%2Fsi%2F615%2Fmade%2Fen%2Fprintdata=02%7C01%7C%7C41832eb9946d4b1fd2e408d690e1e94d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636855697280392670sdata=vdkeB8mLpvd1ldEe52xVtNJsCrSlJTRvW0%2FRNC9tzaE%3Dreserved=0

Some areas have remained unchanged while others have had EDs moved from one
LEA to a neighbouring one. For instance Dun Laoghaire LEA lost
Foxrock-Beechpark ED which was moved to Blackrock LEA.

I have today added these to OSM and before adding any others I would like
feedback on the Tagging I used. please see
openstreetmap.org/relation/9316769 and 770.

Where an LEA remains unchanged how should we change the tagging to reflect
both 2014 and 2018 valid dates and the two sources SI 46 2014 and SI 615
2018.

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[OSM-talk-ie] Complicated addresses

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

I'd welcome some thoughts on this.

I went on a survey to Greenogue, Rathcoole, Co. Dublin during last week. 1,400 
photos taken. :)

There are two large industrial estates at Greenogue. They seem to follow a 
common design and share some services. There is some unconnected industrial and 
residential properties outside the estates.

The industrial estates are so big that they are divided into zones, shown on 
maps and street signs:
* Greenogue Business Park (comprising Blue Zone, Green Zone, Orange Zone, Red 
Zone)
* Aerodrome Business Park (Yellow Zone).

I've set the industrial estates using landuse=industrial and the zones with 
place=locality. All the roads seem to be privately owned and are not controlled 
by the council. I've set the named roads (generally have footpaths, verges, no 
parking) as highway=unclassified and other roads as highway=service (generally 
have no footpaths, no verges, but have parking). The highway=unclassified roads 
have gates that can close them off to traffic - I don't know how often this 
happens, it could be nightly, weekly or occasional. I think it best to have 
these roads as highway=unclassified as they are publicly usable for most of the 
time people want to use them and they get mapped in a way that makes the area 
legible.

Some of the businesses have 'own gate' sites, while other sites are ungated and 
have many occupiers in 'own door' units. Each of these buildings may be 
subdivided into 2-30 semi-detached / terraced industrial units. Some sites have 
entrances on more than one road (the semi-unique block numbers mean this is 
OK). Some of the highway=service roads are private (on 'own gate' sites), while 
others are open to the public on a permissive basis. I generally haven't 
assigned a name to highway=service roads, although all the buildings on these 
roads take the street name of the nearest highway=unclassified.

The management company has a map here: 
http://www.greenoguebusinesspark.com/getting-around-greenogue/ but it isn't 
quite up to date. They have similar maps dotted around the roads. As you can 
see, every site / building has a number, letter or both. The 'own door' units 
also have a unit number. I'm not inclined to plagiarize the management company 
map so I can map the individual units (to much bother :)).

In certain cases, e.g. Block 503, there are about 76 units split across 4 
buildings, in the one 'block'.

I've mapped nearly 200 businesses, mostly as nodes and have another ~50 to go, 
although I didn't get to survey the northern part of the site. I've mapped them 
as nodes so that I can deal with issues where there are many users in one 
building / site and deal more easily with any errors I've made.

In the address hierarchy, there are:
* The two industrial estates.  < Ignore
* The zones. < Ignore
* The named roads.  < OK
* The block numbers, which may be a multi-user site or a single-user building.  
< Do I use the building=* addr:housenumber=* field for this?
* The unit numbers.  < Do I use the building=* name=* field or the 
building=* addr:housename=* field for this?
* The business names. < It's OK, they are on separate nodes.
* Some businesses then name their buildings.  < Aggg

Any thoughts on how I should proceed with the names and addresses of (a) 
buildings and (b) businesses? Do I change building "A" to "Block A" when 
filling the or the name=* field or the addr:housenumber=* field?

Thank you

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Raths / ringforts

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

> Any update on how folk are progressing with this?

Rory and I spent some time going through them and earthworks=rath is no more. 
However, perhaps only 5% of ring forts are mapped. I find the split between 
ring fort, hill fort and ring ditch seems to be somewhat nebulous, so mapping 
the difference can be difficult.

The correct tagging appears to be:
* fortification_type=ringfort
* historic=archaeological_site
* site_type=fortification
* historic:civilization=celtic <-- I've added this, Rory hasn't

> earthworks=rath< 1248 instances - Clare and Kerry only
> fortification_type=hill_fort   < confused use - multiple different fort 
> types
> historic=fort  < confused use - multiple different fort types
> fortification=ring_ditch  < minor
> hillfort  < minor
> historic=hillfort  < minor
> historic=ring fort  < minor
> military=fort  < minor
> note=Ancient fort  < minor
> note=Fort  < minor
> note=Ring Fort?  < minor
> ruins=fort  < minor
> site_type=earthwork  < minor
> site_type=enclosure  < minor

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Apartment

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

That level of mapping is quite detailed. :) Are some apartment numbers missing?

This is how I have mapped some apartment blocks. Each has a nuance in its 
numbering.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/353877339
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/271494230
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/353877335
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/229475222
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/353958506
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/109246513

Note that you can say building=apartments, so that people can tell it apart(!) 
from terraced houses.

Colm

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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 18:36:28 +
From: Tadeusz Cantwell 
To: Discussion of OpenStreetMap in Ireland 
Subject: [OSM-talk-ie] Apartment
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I was mapping an apartment style building, Ballynoe Court, but each one had
there own doors. Does this look like the best way to achieve it.
https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2F%23map%3D19%2F53.18983%2F-6.12670data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf2784ae6978d4366b12208d665a9e36a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636808177663878763sdata=VkqZAge0Q74UMkdoMGtH6QXhUYef4iaQLSP1kyn7H2o%3Dreserved=0


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[OSM-talk-ie] Mapping project - Mapping Roads

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

"roads outside of the main urban areas are not well mapped, having errors where 
roads not properly joined up" - I'm not sure if I concur.

Most days, I use the 'Routing' layer on http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/ to 
check for broken connections. I prioritise major roads and the closer broken 
connections. Many of the others are where there are highway=corridor. In 
general, the situation in Ireland is much better than it is elsewhere in 
Western Europe (the number of broken connections appears to be somewhat 
correlated with population density / level of human activity).

There are roads that were mapped before we had access to aerial photos that are 
a bit on the 'rough' side, but generally those roads are within 10 metres of 
where they should be. Given that aerial photos and GPS devices often have 
offset issues, I think that is a reasonable margin of error. Number of lanes, 
surface, etc will of course be lacking on many roads.

There are two main categories of missing roads - housing estates and farm 
access roads. I map all over the country and I find very few through roads that 
aren't mapped.

Other than the likes of Lauravale: 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/668051865#map=16/54.3696/-6.4484 there are 
very few urban locations with serious mappings issues regarding roads. This map 
points to some other under-mapped locations: 
http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/unmapped#5/54.940/-7.559

Is there any tool that measures the km of each type of road in an area? This 
could be compared with the data that councils publish (there are about 9,000 
housing estate that won't show in these numbers).

--

If looking for things to map / fix, how about targeting local notes, fixme=* 
and FIXME=*?

Colm



Message: 2
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 15:47:40 +
From: Tadeusz Cantwell 
To: Discussion of OpenStreetMap in Ireland 
Subject: [OSM-talk-ie] Mapping project
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Now that townlands are mostly done, it would be nice to have a new project
to focus on. A piece of feedback that came out during the launch was that
roads outside of the main urban areas are not well mapped, having errors
where roads not properly joined up, as one example. One way to tackle this
is set up a project on Maproulette to help triage those small errors. A set
of criteria can be entered into it, which generates a task for everything
that falls within it. If you have any pet peeves in the state of our
'virtual' roads, fire away. Sorry, we can't fix that pothole!

Tadeusz

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[OSM-talk-ie] Broken townland boundary

[Colm Moore]

Hi,


https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/475830816#map=17/53.18872/-6.12930


There are several things happening here, so it's beyond my skills to fix. I 
would be grateful if someone could look at it. :)


Thank you


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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OpenStreetMap Ireland CLG launch yesterday

[Colm Moore]

Ciarán & board,

Well done on setting things up!

One thing we might do is to promote OSM, based on those that are using the data 
already:

* NTA: www.rtpi.ie
* Dublin Fire Bridge - maps on Twitter.
* Dublin City Council self service portal - 
http://www.dublincity.ie/main-menu-your-council/isupport
* Met Éireann - https://www.met.ie/

I'm sure there are more.

Colm


  
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Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 13:08:58 +0100
From: Ciarán Staunton 
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Greetings All
On behalf of the board I want to thank you for attending the launch and the
open mic event yesterday.

For the benefit of those that missed it we saw a fantastic look back at the
history of the community from mackerski. dónál went through the legalities
of the company set up, how we got to where we are now and that we will be
formally applying for chapter status with osmf. I myself (debigc) let
everyone know what to expect in term of activity for the next year, as we
bring the participation, connection, visibility and exchange to the next
level.

The open mics were all really interesting too, to summarise them we would
have to point to the diversity of platforms, motivations, focus, interest
that is out there in the broader community. The wealth of the asset that is
openstreetmap is the wealth of the knowledge you are all putting into it.
As all the speakers at the start said in one way or another pulling
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[OSM-talk-ie] Mapnik rendering oddity

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/40614323#map=17/53.38177/-6.59035
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/40614324#map=17/53.38177/-6.59035

These two areas are adjacent and seem to carry the same tags. Yet, one is 
rendered grey and the other is rendered transparent (the pink is from the 
landuse=retail that envelopes the entire street. Any thoughts?

Thank you

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Irish Border Crossing points

[Colm Moore]

Keith,


"Is it just me or are the majority of the locations off ?" - this may be down 
to OSi rounding off their entries. You will see a similar issue with the GNS 
Dataset (place names database), where locations are slightly off.


Not all border crossing points are mapped on OSM, e.g. here: 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3396855098#map=17/54.09668/-6.36192 there 
are 4 crossings within 150 metres, but only one is mapped.


Note that railway=border (1 location) and power=border (3 locations mapped, but 
possibly many power=minor_line are unmapped) are also mapped. description=*, 
fixme=*, note=* and other tags also carry the word "border", e.g. 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1448878232


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[OSM-talk-ie] Land showing as sea

[Colm Moore]

Hi,


Is the land showing as sea for other people here: 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/54.8509/-5.8483 ? It may be there was a 
problem and it was fixed already.


Thanks


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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Raths / ringforts

[Colm Moore]

Hi,


Rory and I have done quite a bit of tidying up.


These are the remaining tags that need attention:

earthworks=rath< 1248 instances - Clare and 
Kerry only
fortification_type=hill_fort   < confused use - multiple different fort 
types
historic=fort  < confused use - multiple different fort 
types
fortification=ring_ditch  < minor
fortification_type=hillfort  < minor
historic=hillfort  < minor
historic=ring fort  < minor
military=fort  < minor
note=Ancient fort  < minor
note=Fort  < minor
note=Ring Fort?  < minor
ruins=fort  < minor
site_type=earthwork  < minor
site_type=enclosure  < minor


There are some of these that are nodes instead of ways. I've asked a historian 
if they have a ringfort expert we could talk to.


Rory, I'll start with the Dingle peninsula and work east.


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[OSM-talk-ie] Raths / ringforts

[Colm Moore]

Hi,


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:fortification%20type=ringfort?uselang=en-GB


Was someone running a project on mapping / tidying-up raths / ringforts? I 
notice many are mapped in Cork and Kilkenny, but few elsewhere.

I haven't come across many of these until the last few weeks. In that time, I 
seem to have been tagging them incorrectly.

Can I check the correct tagging is:
historic=archaeological_site
site_type=fortification
fortification_type=ringfort ?

I checked http://stat.latlon.org/ie/latest/ for the word "fort", (I didn't 
check for name~fort or description~fort) and there are many tagging variations 
(not all of these will be ringforts).

archaeological_site=earthworks
archaeological_site=fort
archaeological_site=ring_fort
archaeological_site=ringfort
castle_type=fortification
castle_type=fortress
earthworks=rath
earthworks=ringfort
earthworks=ringfort (rath)
fortification=ring_ditch
fortification_type=hill_fort
fortification_type=hillfort
fortification_type=ringfort
historic=fort
historic=fortification
historic=hillfort
historic=ring fort
historic=ring_fort
inscription=Ring fort
military=fort
note=Ancient fort
note=Ancient ring fort
note=Fawney (fainne) means ring, maybe the site of a ringfort? Was also slang 
to kiss the King/Lords ring. Very interesting as the road is called the Royal 
Oak
note=Fort
note=Not sure if these are Barrows or rath, or what the difference is! Ring fort
note=Not sure if these are Barrows or raths, or what the difference is! Ring 
fort
note=Ring Fort?
note=Round Fort?
note=ring fort
note=ringfort
ruins=fort
ruins=ringfort
site_type=earthwork
site_type=earthworks
site_type=enclosure
site_type=fortification
site_type=ring fort
site_type=ringfort
site_type=ringfort;megalith
type=ringfort
wikipedia=en:Ringfort
wikipedia_1=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringfort

How should I proceed?


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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Untagged ways

[Colm Moore]

Hi Rory,


Thanks very much for that, it found what I was looking for. I tried it for 
nodes, but nearly broke Overpass Turbo. :) Is there a way to narrow it down by 
user? Yes I could download all the results, but that seems laborious.


In trying to map power=minor_line http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Bji sometimes I 
add temporary ways where I spot a short section of line, but sometimes it's a 
false positive (tractor trail across field, ploughed field, JPEG artifact, 
etc.). Sometimes not all the temporary ways get deleted.


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From: Rory McCann 
Sent: 23 August 2018 08:10
To: Discussion of OpenStreetMap in Ireland; Colm Moore
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Untagged ways

Yes! This overpass query finds them:

 [bbox:{{bbox}}][out:xml][timeout:250];
 (
   way(if:count_tags() == 0); - (relation; >;);
 );
 out meta; >; out meta qt;

I have that saved in JOSM's "Download from Overpass API" feature. After
downloading, Ctrl-F to search for "type:way", then add them to to the
todo list plugin window, and work through them one by one. Unfortunately
due to how JOSM downloads them, you can't use "continuous download" to
make it easier.

It's nice if you want something to do, and improves OSM data. Like a
garden that needs weeding, OSM needs people to look over it and tidy it up.

The query works by first searching for all ways which have 0 tags in the
area (`if:count_tags() == 0`). Then it gets all the relations in the
area (`relation;`), and then the ways of those relations (byt 'recusing
down the relations with `>`). It removes the second set of ways from the
first set, leaving all ways with no tags that aren't in any realtions.

Hope that helps

On 22/08/18 23:11, Colm Moore wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> Is there a way to search for ways that don't have tags or relations tied to 
> them?
>
>
> Thanks
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[OSM-talk-ie] Untagged ways

[Colm Moore]

Hi,


Is there a way to search for ways that don't have tags or relations tied to 
them?


Thanks


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[OSM-talk-ie] http://stat.latlon.org/

[Colm Moore]

Hi,


For those that use this service, the OSM Statistics for Ireland and Northern 
Ireland are back on line http://stat.latlon.org/ie/latest/


Message from Alexandr Zeinalov  below.


Colm



> On 2018-06-20 11:30:02 UTC Alexandr Zeinalov wrote:
>
> Statistics update is not running automatically since April
> for some reason, I'm updating it eventually. Also stat update
> currently broken for some countries because country dumps
> doesn't contain user data (because geofabrik.de removed it
> for GDPR). Full dumps available only with OAuth login in
> browser. Maybe I will disable user stats for all countries
> that are not provided by another sources.
>



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Hi,


Talk to the likes of https://twitter.com/DCCbeta who may be able to help with 
support.


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From: Seán Lynch 
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Hi all,

[ Apologies for cross post to those on OSMF and osm-gb mailing list !! ]

I thought some of you might be interested to know that my paper is now
online

Lynch, S., (2018).,* OpenLitterMap.com 

 - Open
Data on Plastic Pollution with Blockchain Rewards (Littercoin)*., *Open
Geospatial Data, Software, and Standards., *3:6.

*https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Frdcu.be%2FVv0B=02%7C01%7C%7C23bfeef2af7b495217e108d5d1eef668%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636645746626523234=Z9MSPYD26xHMDSdbGuhOqlOexmWgZh6IVcP%2FHaX0x2Q%3D=0
*

I'm always looking to chat and hear from valuable feedback and opinions. I
am also interested in setting up the "OpenLitterMap Foundation" which would
not be unlike the OSMF.

If you would like to download openlittermap data for a country, state, or
city, simply visit-
openlittermap.com/maps/Ireland/download
openlittermap.com/maps/Australia/NSW/download
openlittermap.com/maps/UK/England/London/download

Notice that in the downloads, the OSM address value is included at the
location of each photo. When a user uploads a photo, the OSM address
information at that location is used to populate the list of locations on
OpenLitterMap dynamically. To incentivize early adoption, this process is
redeemable in Littercoin - a blockchain reward applying "proof of work"
principles to citizen science. I am currently dependent on crowdfunding but
I have applied for several grants. Unfortunately not even the PineappleFund
thinks that my research and open data on plastic pollution is worth
supporting, but maybe you, society, NatGeo or the EU might ? If anyone can
sign up and support, or point out any other potential grants, that would be
extremely appreciated.

I have also launched a slack channel which you are all welcome to join.
Please send me an email and I will send you an invite to the chat.

Happy mapping,

Cheers,

Seán



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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Round towers

[Colm Moore]

Hi,


While we are discussing towers, there are many masts that are mis-tagged as 
towers. This is typically with mobile phone masts and similar.


A man_made=tower is a building and has (normally internal) floor space, albeit 
sometimes very modest https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made=tower


A man_made=mast is not a building and does not have *internal* floor space, 
although some may have a deck. 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dmast


Some related tags like tower:type and tower:construction are shared between 
towers and masts.


Note that some vents for mines and railway tunnels can be easily misidentified 
as stub round towers, e.g. take a look at these on Bing.


https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5126260873#map=19/52.75258/-7.69826
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1680956627#map=19/51.90450/-8.46172


/teaching people how to suck lemons. :)


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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Maps.openstreetmap.ie Pink tiles

[Colm Moore]

Hi,


Pink 'tiles' tend to indicate that the tiles aren't available / are being 
refreshed.


http://overpass-turbo.openstreetmap.ie/ is about 16 days out of date.


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[OSM-talk-ie] Is data being corrupted?

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

Please don't correct this error until we know what is happening. :)

Of late, I've noticed some mapping errors, e.g. a node on a road that has been 
dragged off-road by a few hundred metres. When I check the last edit, it might 
not have been edited in 5 years. I thought it implausible that such obvious 
errors would remain in place for so long. Indeed, I had sometimes edited in the 
area and would have thought that I would have spotted an obvious error (I 
readily admit I make errors also). Many of the issues are thrown up by OSMI 
http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/

Today, using OSMI, I see that the car park in Kilkenny train station is wonky, 
but it hasn't been changed in two years. The boundary wall hasn't been edited 
in 4 years. The thing is, I viewed that area recently (I don't recollect why) 
and had to do a forced refresh of the browser (Ctrl F5) of the area to make the 
background map match the object outline. Several users have edited in the area 
in recent years and surely one of us would have spotted the error. 
Interestingly, the car park is now attached to a node for a shop.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/216942338 Edited about 4 years ago by Vincent 
de Phily Version #2 · Changeset #20131140

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/100847087 Edited about 2 years ago by 
wheelmap_visitor Version #7 · Changeset #35421480

https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1165425462 Edited 6 days ago by Reilsky 
Version #4 · Changeset #55504147

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It may be justifiable for the last edit date not to be updated where an object 
within a relation is edited, but the relation itself isn't edited.

Any thoughts?

Colm

PS Thanks to OSMI people for the service they provide. :)


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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Overpass Turbo error (hamster feeding time)

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Hi Donal,


It's every single query, regardless of tag or query format.


http://url.ie/123ua

http://url.ie/123ub

http://url.ie/123uc

http://url.ie/123ud


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[OSM-talk-ie] Overpass Turbo error (hamster feeding time)

[Colm Moore]

Hi,


I'm getting the following error when running even basic queries:


An error occured during the execution of the overpass query! This is what 
overpass API returned:

Error: runtime error: open64: 2 No such file or directory 
/osm3s_v0.7.54_osm_base Dispatcher_Client::1


I'll buy a sandwich at the AGM for whoever fixes it. :)


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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Royal demense (Tadeusz Cantwell)

[Colm Moore]

Hi,


With the formation of the Irish Free State, the lands, powers and obligations 
of the crown here were transferred to the new state. The name "royal demense" 
is not in current use. That said, other historical boundaries are mapped on 
OSM, e.g. Dublin City boundary in 1900 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6720101#map=12/53.3528/-6.2596


If this refers to areas like the Phoenix Park, these areas are now owned by the 
Office of Public Works (previously known as the Commissioners of Public Works) 
under the Phoenix Park Act, 1925 
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1925/act/31/enacted/en/html Some historical 
users, e.g. zoo, American embassy retain some rights.


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Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2017 13:10:03 +
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Came across an old article which talked about royal demense areas in
Dublin, in the 1930's. Are they still areas used in planning?

Tadeusz

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[OSM-talk-ie] Luas Cross City

[Colm Moore]

Hi,


This is due to open on 9 December 2017. The entire railway is in place and the 
remaining works are things like ticket validators, signage, depot / substation 
works, tidying up, etc.


When should the railway be changed from railway=construction to railway=tram?

Stops are currently named "stop_name (November 2017)". Should this be changed 
to "stop_name (December 2017)".

I'm going to see if I can get a trip before opening day - would anyone like to 
come along? Having someone with a battery powered dash cam (or two - one with / 
without audio) and a GPS unit would be good.


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[OSM-talk-ie] Clash between Logainm and GNS name spelling

[Colm Moore]

Hi,


It seems the English-language spelling of the village name is different to the 
ED name (which matches GNS). What does one do?


http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/52263371

https://www.logainm.ie/en/1374346

https://www.logainm.ie/en/1167099


Thank you


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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] DIT study of Balbriggan

[Colm Moore]

Hi,


Over time, Stabilo_boss, others and I have added a fair bit of detail to 
Balbriggan, such that the map there is generally in a better condition than the 
surrounding towns, the big difference being that the the other towns generally 
have a higher percentage (but still low) of individual houses mapped than 
Balbriggan. As a mapping exercise, Balbriggan would therefore be of less use 
than the other towns. There will of course be extendable data.


That said, from a town planning point of view, Balbriggan is probably more 
interesting than the other towns.


I wouldn't overly worry about third-party mappers interfering.


Features that could be added by the students:

* Individual houses and other buildings (landmark buildings fairly well mapped).
* Retail and other service businesses;
* Non-roadway street features, including paths and street furniture;
* Confirm street names (there's the usual fuzziness with unsigned legacy roads);
* Addresses;
* Bus routes
* Update construction;
* Rural features;
* Local road numbers, if available.

If the students are to be assessed on their work, then each should be given two 
tasks (a) surveying, recording and mapping everything in one neighbourhood to 
get experience at mapping different keys / tags and (b) doing the same for one 
type of key / tag over a wider area to understand differences between areas.


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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] overpass-turbo.openstreetmap.ie

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Hi,


Thanks for your efforts guys.


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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Email privacy

[Colm Moore]

Hi,


It's not about privacy as such, more about the spam risk (I'm getting a fair 
bit of phishing at the moment).


Pages like that would be ripe for harvesting email addresses.


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[OSM-talk-ie] overpass-turbo.openstreetmap.ie

[Colm Moore]

Hi,


This seems to have not updated in 2 days.


Have the hamsters reached escape velocity? :)


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[OSM-talk-ie] Esri World Imagery on OpenStreetMap

[Colm Moore]

Hi,


It seems Esri World Imagery is available on OpenStreetMap. I don't know the 
extent.


Some of it may be related to the DigitalGlobe imagery.


http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Esri

https://blogs.esri.com/esri/arcgis/2017/08/24/world-imagery-in-osm/


Esri is unrelated to The Economic and Social Research Institute.


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[OSM-talk-ie] Need help with some relations

[Colm Moore]

Hi,


No, I don't need the in-laws bumped off. ;)


I have all but tidied up the Geometry layer here: 
http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/ but have some shpes that I have problems with. 
I would be grateful if someone could correct them.


Shape interconnected with with self and relations

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/437669477 - northeast corner
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/471094378 - west side

Shapes that should be relations
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/504297881
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/504297883
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/506757513


Thank you


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[OSM-talk-ie] Using greater than & less than values in Overpass-euro

[Colm Moore]

Hi,


Note that there is a list of populations (and almost every other tag, except 
for a few like name=*) here: http://stat.latlon.org/ie/latest/tags-p.html

It is sorted 'alphabetically', not numerically, i.e. it is sorted 10, 20, 30, 
50, 500, 60, 90.


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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Public drinking fountains (Seán Lynch)

[Colm Moore]

Seán,


Overpass-turbo will find things like this. Once you have the query correct, it 
will find 99.99% of things (I've only had errors 3 times in a year). 
http://url.ie/11un5

To edit the query, click on the Wizard. You can run queries like.

amenity=drinking_water
amenity=drinking_water in Mayo
highway=motorway and oneway!=yes

The last one, with the exclamation mark, finds motorway that isn't one-way.

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[OSM-talk-ie] Overpass Turbo

[Colm Moore]

Hi,


http://overpass-turbo.openstreetmap.ie/ is faster than EU. However, I am still 
finding issues.


Nominatim (or whatever it uses) appears not to be working.


I'm not sure if it is loading hte full OSM database, e.g.


http://url.ie/11t49 shows a different set of PSNI stations to 
http://url.ie/11t4a


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[OSM-talk-ie] http://overpass-turbo.openstreetmap.ie/

[Colm Moore]

Hi,


http://overpass-turbo.openstreetmap.ie/


Is anyone else getting the following message with Chrome and Internet Explorer:


"The browser you are currently using, is (most likely) not capable of running 
(significant parts of) this Application. It must support Web Storage API and 
cross origin resource sharing (CORS).

Note that you may have to enable cookies and/or "local Data" for this site on 
some browsers (such as Firefox and Chrome).

Please upgrade to a more up-to-date version of your browser or switch to a more 
capable one! Recent versions of Opera, Chrome and Firefox have been tested to 
work. Alternatively, you can still use the Overpass_API query form."

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Hi Seán,


This is off-list.


1. My understanding is that in the Irish case, such litter shouldn't end up in 
the ocean.


Both at the street gully and sewage treatment plant levels, screens, grit 
chambers and baffles should remove large objects (twigs, leaves, plastic 
bottles), heavier-than-water objects (grit and gravel) and lighter-than-water 
objects (cigarette butts), even if biological treatment doesn't take place.


http://www.appropedia.org/images/9/9a/Primary_Picture.jpg


Of course, in a storm situation, pumping stations and sewage treatment plant 
can over flow. Certainly in Dublin, there is a move to separate sewage and 
surface water drains, although that won't improve the specific cigarette butt 
issue.


It might be useful to approach Irish Water, Office of Public Works and 
individual councils to see what ends up in each main outflow - theoretically 
and in practice. In rural areas, road run-off will tend to end up in ditches, 
but I suspect there would be relatively few cigarette butts.


2. I used one of the coves on the south side of Howth Head a few years ago and 
found it quite littered. It was almost all larger waste - 500ml bottles, 
polystyrene, etc. I suspect a lot of this was either thrown or was windblown 
into a waterway.


3. Just on language - "gutter" conjures up the image of something associated 
with a roof. Here: 
https://www.google.ie/search?q=gutter=1C1CHBF_enIE704IE704=lnms=isch=X=0ahUKEwjxxtvj_vvTAhUqDcAKHYdoCH8Q_AUICigB=1152=758#imgrc=_
 all but one image is a roof. Road drains tend to be referred to as gulleys / 
gullies.


4. Something popular in the USA, but not Ireland are gutter guards: 
https://www.familyhandyman.com/roof/gutter-repair/the-best-gutter-guards-for-your-home/view-all
 which keep leaves, moss, etc. out of the drainage system. I wonder if road 
gulleys should have finer grilles.


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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] New DigitalGlobe satellite imagery layers available!

[Colm Moore]

Hi,


Some of the imagery is very fuzzy or blanched out. :(


Now might be a good time to go over notes that people have added to the map and 
any highway=construction or landuse=construction or similar tags.


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[OSM-talk-ie] Speed limits - Dublin

[Colm Moore]

Hi,


Just to let people know that a **lot** of speed limits are changing in Dublin 
and thousands of ways need updating. It may make sense to share the work and 
pick assigned areas.


* Dublin City - Phase 1 city centre - mapped 99%.

* Dublin City - Phase 2 some suburbs changing June 2017 - help welcomed! :) 
http://www.dublincity.ie/sites/default/files/content/RoadsandTraffic/Documents/Adopted%20Special%20Speed%20Limit%20Bye-Laws%202016%20-Signed.pdf
* South Dublin County - 80%+ of county changing on 8 May 2017 - about 10% of 
changes mapped, help welcomed! :) 
http://www.sdublincoco.ie/index.aspx?pageid=939=37154


ITO Map updates every few weeks: 
http://product.itoworld.com/map/124?lon=-6.28499=53.32984=11=true


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[OSM-talk-ie] Waterford Greenway and Athlone-Mullingar

[Colm Moore]

Hi,


As a bit of background, these both started life as Irish gauge railways. 
Waterford-Dungarvan was mostly single track and Athlone-Mullingar was mostly 
double track. The tracks on Waterford-Dungarvan were removed in the 1990s and a 
narrow gauge tourist railway built at Kilmeaden.


With the greenway projects, Athlone-Mullingar saw one track lifted and replaced 
with the greenway, with the other track remaining in place. Waterford-Dungarvan 
saw the whole of the alignment used, with the section along the narrow gauge 
railway squeezed in.


On OSM, many people had mapped railways and indeed former railways. Over a 
period of a year or so, I mapped pretty much every piece of current railway in 
Ireland (I'm still finding tiny bits and the occasional 'odd' bit), north and 
south, filling in much of the detail (gauge, operator, etc. ) where previously 
there was only railway=rail or similar. Many former railways had these details 
added, to reflect their current / last status. For example, operator=* used the 
last known operator and many sections were marked with gauge or electrification 
status.


Unfortunately, for Waterford-Dungarvan and Athlone-Mullingar, users converted 
the ways for the ** still current** railways to highway=cycleway, but left some 
of the railway details in place. Hence a cycleway with gauge or electrification 
statuses. This left much of the current railway sections unmapped.


To a certain degree, the entire routes should be surveyed completely by cycling 
the routes (a bikecam with adequate memory might be useful, but with stills for 
specific details) and the details on OSM verified. In particular, the details 
for connections to local roads and the car parks, play grounds, etc. need 
mapping. The narrow gauge railway needs its extent verified at the Waterford 
end and the platforms, buildings.


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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Local chapter application by OpenStreetMap United Kingdom

[Colm Moore]

Paul,

About 12% of my edits are in the UK, mostly Northern Ireland, with a strong 
leaning to power and some other networks.


I have no particular opinion on this, other than there are certain 
practicalities that make treating the island of Ireland as a single 
geographical / mapping entity useful, e.g. the shared border, the history of 
places / land administration (county, barony, townland, etc.). This isn't just 
about boundaries, but also physical infrastructure (e.g. the A3 has 5 border 
crossings), Ireland / Northern Ireland don't use standard gauge railways (one 
exception) and businesses (e.g. some banks operate on both sides of the border 
and there is a single electricity market, where companies operate on both sides 
of the border). That said, there are other businesses that operate only in 
Britain and Northern Ireland (some banks) or Britain and the Republic (Aldi).


That said, just because a chapter covers a particular region, doesn't mean it 
can't have friendly relations with its neighbours. :) And it doesn't stop 
people mapping across borders.


Note that the crown dependencies are not part of the UK, although there are 
obvious parallels.


Thank you


Colm


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[OSM-talk-ie] Ring / Fort / Castle

[Colm Moore]

Hi,


There was a discussion of this last week. I've done a summary of related tags 
as they are currently in use in Ireland / Northern Ireland. It's an extract 
from http://stat.latlon.org/ie/latest/


While they might not have huge currency, they are a perfectly mapable feature.


Colm


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archaeological_site=cashel (1)
archaeological_site=castle (6)
archaeological_site=fort (9)
archaeological_site=ring_fort (2)

castle_type=defensive (12)
castle_type=fortress (5)
castle_type=manor (4)
castle_type=stately (5),

description=A Celtic hill fort (ruins, only an earth bank left)
description=Excellent well preserved doubled-ringed ringfort

fortification=ring_ditch (2)
fortification_type=hill_fort (12)
fortification_type=promontory_fort (1)
fortification_type=ring_fort (2)
fortification_type=ringfort (76)

hist=castle (1)
historic=castle (300)
historic=ruins
historic=fort (17)
historic=ring fort (2)
historic=ring_fort (2)

military=fort

note=Ancient fort (1)
note=Ancient ring fort (2)
note=Fawney (fainne) means ring, maybe the site of a ringfort? Was also slang 
to kiss the King/Lords ring. Very interesting as the road is called the Royal 
Oak (1)
note=Known_locally_as_a_fairy_ring_with_supernatural_powers_-_Neolithic_Settlement
 (1),
note=Not sure if these are Barrows or rath, or what the difference is! Ring 
fort (5),
note=Not sure if these are Barrows or raths, or what the difference is! Ring 
fort (1)
note=Ring Fort? (1)
note=probably old ringfort (1)
note=ring fort (2)
note=ringfort (1)

wikipedia=en:Rathealy Ringfort (1)
wikipedia=en:Rathgall Hillfort (1)
wikipedia=en:Ringfort (2)
wikipedia=en:Staigue stone fort




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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Typos in Townland names

[Colm Moore]

Hi,


I corrected at least one - Kiltalown in Dublin-  after checking with Rory: 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4513764


However, in dealing with 60,000+ names, we need to be careful and not assume 
that all the mistakes are in the OSM data entry - it may be that there are 
errors in other sources, e.g. "Little Island" in Cork shows up some older 
Ordnance Survey maps as "LITTLEISLAND", which is somewhat obviously incorrectly 
spaced:


http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,575522,571859,9,8

http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6514445


Colm


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[OSM-talk-ie] Error on http://overpass-turbo.openstreetmap.ie/

[Colm Moore]

Hi,


I've been getting this error since last night. :)


Colm





An error occured during the execution of the overpass query! This is what 
overpass API returned:

Error: runtime error: open64: 2 No such file or directory 
/osm3s_v0.7.53_osm_base Dispatcher_Client::1



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[OSM-talk-ie] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.ie/ down

[Colm Moore]

Hi,


This is down for a second time in about a week. Is this a resource issue?


Error message below.


Colm


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Web application could not be started
Permission denied - /home/roles/taginfo/app/log/taginfo-2016-11-09.log 
(Errno::EACCES)
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  config.ru:20:in `new'
  config.ru:20:in `block in '
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  /usr/share/passenger/helper-scripts/rack-preloader.rb:158:in `'
  /usr/share/passenger/helper-scripts/rack-preloader.rb:29:in 
`'
  /usr/share/passenger/helper-scripts/rack-preloader.rb:28:in `'
Application root
/home/roles/taginfo/app/taginfo/web
Environment (value of RAILS_ENV, RACK_ENV, WSGI_ENV and PASSENGER_ENV)
production
Ruby interpreter command
/usr/bin/ruby
User and groups
uid=65534(nobody) gid=65534(nogroup) groups=65534(nogroup)
Environment variables
APACHE_RUN_DIR = /var/run/apache2
APACHE_PID_FILE = /var/run/apache2/apache2.pid
PATH = /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
APACHE_LOCK_DIR = /var/lock/apache2
LANG = C
APACHE_RUN_USER = www-data
APACHE_RUN_GROUP = www-data
APACHE_LOG_DIR = /var/log/apache2
PWD = /home/roles/taginfo/app/taginfo/web
PASSENGER_DEBUG_DIR = /tmp/passenger.spawn-debug.U3E7p6
USER = nobody
LOGNAME = nobody
SHELL = /usr/sbin/nologin
HOME = /nonexistent
IN_PASSENGER = 1
PYTHONUNBUFFERED = 1
NODE_PATH = /usr/share/passenger/node
RAILS_ENV = production
RACK_ENV = production
WSGI_ENV = production
NODE_ENV = production
PASSENGER_APP_ENV = production
SERVER_PROTOCOL = HTTP/1.1
SERVER_SOFTWARE = Apache
DOCUMENT_ROOT = /home/roles/taginfo/app/taginfo/web/public
SERVER_ADMIN = [no address given]
QUERY_STRING =
SERVER_NAME = taginfo.openstreetmap.ie
REMOTE_PORT = 32802
REMOTE_ADDR = 180.76.15.141
SERVER_PORT = 80
REQUEST_METHOD = GET
SERVER_ADDR = 193.1.208.214
REQUEST_URI = /taginfo/projects/osmaxx/error_log
Ulimits
Unknown
System memory usage
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Mem:  3953   2528   1425541 36   2069
-/+ buffers/cache:421   3531
Swap: 4093154   3939
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