Re: [OSM-talk] Crazy ways after editing - A real argument for changeset data
Andy Robinson \(blackadder\) wrote: I can't comment on the flash-zoom functionality I can. :) As of last night the 'Zoom in' and 'Zoom out' options on the Flash right-click menu are disabled in Potlatch. Better to use an OS-level magnifier, as John McK suggested... and there'll be other zoom options in future Potlatchs. cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crazy ways after editing
David, There is also a talk-us list which may be of help in future. On 5 Feb 2008, at 18:46, David Muir Sharnoff wrote: The area of Oakland, California I've been editing (with Potlatch) suddenly changed in a very bad way. There are a whole bunch of ways (at least 50, perhaps a lot more) that have had one or more of their points move several miles south-east. A major street, Park Ave, seems to have disappeared entirely. Or, at least, I can't find it any more. Edit at this location to see: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.81886lon=-122.21229zoom=16layers=B0FT Some example ways that are messed up: 6403309, Saint James Dr. 6380125, Somerset Rd 6365079, Pershing Dr 6391271, Indian Rd 6381464, Hampton Rd 6374990, Excelsior Ave 6359191, E 33rd St 6390297, Everett Ave Does anyone have any idea what happened or how to fix it? Thanks, -Dave ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk have fun, SteveC | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.asklater.com/steve/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crazy ways after editing - A real argument for changeset data
David, I took a look at this area a little more closely with JOSM and I can see its not straight forwards to correct because it's not just one way that got moved but blocks of connected ways from what I can tell. Unfortunately they now lie over the top of other exiting ways so its difficult to select the ones effected so that they can be simply slid back. I think the only way to sort it will be to evaluate the history data for the nodes in the whole area. From this you can see which nodes (and hence ways) were moved at around the same time instance. For instance if I look at two connected ways that are displaced (6331826 and 6397132) and look at the node history for some of their nodes I can see that their position was last moved at a timestamp around 2008-02-04T04:32:24+00:00 they vary by some minutes in some cases so perhaps it took a while for all the changes to update to the database. Anyway, if a bit more checking was done it should be possible to automate a rollback for all the affected data. Would need someone perhaps to help with scripting that so perhaps David Hansen can assist with ideas. Another option might be to use last week's planet dump and do a compare and revert between the state last week and the state now. This will though mean you loose data from the time of planet last week to Feb 04 if a delete and re-insert is done. Lets hope the folks that are looking at change set info via the API can find us a long term solution to this problem as I'm sure its going to happen again soon. Hope this helps move things along for you. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:talk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of SteveC Sent: 06 February 2008 11:11 AM To: David Muir Sharnoff Cc: OSM-Talk Openstreetmap Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Crazy ways after editing David, There is also a talk-us list which may be of help in future. On 5 Feb 2008, at 18:46, David Muir Sharnoff wrote: The area of Oakland, California I've been editing (with Potlatch) suddenly changed in a very bad way. There are a whole bunch of ways (at least 50, perhaps a lot more) that have had one or more of their points move several miles south-east. A major street, Park Ave, seems to have disappeared entirely. Or, at least, I can't find it any more. Edit at this location to see: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.81886lon=- 122.21229zoom=16layers=B0FT Some example ways that are messed up: 6403309, Saint James Dr. 6380125, Somerset Rd 6365079, Pershing Dr 6391271, Indian Rd 6381464, Hampton Rd 6374990, Excelsior Ave 6359191, E 33rd St 6390297, Everett Ave Does anyone have any idea what happened or how to fix it? Thanks, -Dave ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk have fun, SteveC | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.asklater.com/steve/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crazy ways after editing - A real argument for changeset data
I've now fixed the trouble. I used JOSM to do it. Here's what I did: 1. Figure out how to install JOSM, install/enable YWMS, download data. 2. Figure out how to use JOSM a bit. The key things for me where the select mode, the edit mode, zooming and panning with the keyboard. 3. Using potlatch, place a reference dot where the end of one of my broken ways should be. 4. Select all the broken stuff. For me that was both whole ways and selected points from partially-broken ways. 5. Tag them with notes3: Oakland Potlach Fubar 6. Using the scrolling keys, drag the whole lot of them half a screen at time back to where they should be. Since it's a problem that's created by Potlatch but needs JOSM to repair, it's going to be hard for anyone else who gets hit. That all said, I wish flash-zoom worked. I like Potlatch. In the hills of Oakland, it's really hard to see where the streets are even with flash-zoom. Often impossible without. Sometimes I have to compare to Google imagery which is MUCH better. -Dave On Feb 6, 2008 4:46 AM, Andy Robinson (blackadder) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, I took a look at this area a little more closely with JOSM and I can see its not straight forwards to correct because it's not just one way that got moved but blocks of connected ways from what I can tell. Unfortunately they now lie over the top of other exiting ways so its difficult to select the ones effected so that they can be simply slid back. I think the only way to sort it will be to evaluate the history data for the nodes in the whole area. From this you can see which nodes (and hence ways) were moved at around the same time instance. For instance if I look at two connected ways that are displaced (6331826 and 6397132) and look at the node history for some of their nodes I can see that their position was last moved at a timestamp around 2008-02-04T04:32:24+00:00 they vary by some minutes in some cases so perhaps it took a while for all the changes to update to the database. Anyway, if a bit more checking was done it should be possible to automate a rollback for all the affected data. Would need someone perhaps to help with scripting that so perhaps David Hansen can assist with ideas. Another option might be to use last week's planet dump and do a compare and revert between the state last week and the state now. This will though mean you loose data from the time of planet last week to Feb 04 if a delete and re-insert is done. Lets hope the folks that are looking at change set info via the API can find us a long term solution to this problem as I'm sure its going to happen again soon. Hope this helps move things along for you. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:talk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of SteveC Sent: 06 February 2008 11:11 AM To: David Muir Sharnoff Cc: OSM-Talk Openstreetmap Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Crazy ways after editing David, There is also a talk-us list which may be of help in future. On 5 Feb 2008, at 18:46, David Muir Sharnoff wrote: The area of Oakland, California I've been editing (with Potlatch) suddenly changed in a very bad way. There are a whole bunch of ways (at least 50, perhaps a lot more) that have had one or more of their points move several miles south-east. A major street, Park Ave, seems to have disappeared entirely. Or, at least, I can't find it any more. Edit at this location to see: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.81886lon=- 122.21229zoom=16layers=B0FT Some example ways that are messed up: 6403309, Saint James Dr. 6380125, Somerset Rd 6365079, Pershing Dr 6391271, Indian Rd 6381464, Hampton Rd 6374990, Excelsior Ave 6359191, E 33rd St 6390297, Everett Ave Does anyone have any idea what happened or how to fix it? Thanks, -Dave ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk have fun, SteveC | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.asklater.com/steve/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Crazy ways after editing
The area of Oakland, California I've been editing (with Potlatch) suddenly changed in a very bad way. There are a whole bunch of ways (at least 50, perhaps a lot more) that have had one or more of their points move several miles south-east. A major street, Park Ave, seems to have disappeared entirely. Or, at least, I can't find it any more. Edit at this location to see: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.81886lon=-122.21229zoom=16layers=B0FT Some example ways that are messed up: 6403309, Saint James Dr. 6380125, Somerset Rd 6365079, Pershing Dr 6391271, Indian Rd 6381464, Hampton Rd 6374990, Excelsior Ave 6359191, E 33rd St 6390297, Everett Ave Does anyone have any idea what happened or how to fix it? Thanks, -Dave ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crazy ways after editing
David Muir Sharnoff wrote: Sent: 05 February 2008 6:46 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Crazy ways after editing The area of Oakland, California I've been editing (with Potlatch) suddenly changed in a very bad way. There are a whole bunch of ways (at least 50, perhaps a lot more) that have had one or more of their points move several miles south-east. A major street, Park Ave, seems to have disappeared entirely. Or, at least, I can't find it any more. Edit at this location to see: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.81886lon=- 122.21229zoom=16layers=B0FT Some example ways that are messed up: 6403309, Saint James Dr. 6380125, Somerset Rd 6365079, Pershing Dr 6391271, Indian Rd 6381464, Hampton Rd 6374990, Excelsior Ave 6359191, E 33rd St 6390297, Everett Ave Does anyone have any idea what happened or how to fix it? Yikes, that looks nasty. It looks like you have managed to slide the missing way across in the editor view and then end up deleting the way that all those nodes were attached to. You should be able to revert the way in Potlatch and you can get the original positions from the history of each moved node. eg http://www.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/node/53018116/history Cheers Andy Thanks, -Dave ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crazy ways after editing
David Muir Sharnoff lists at dave.sharnoff.org writes: Should I attempt to manually fix these ways? Since I don't know what caused the problem in the first place, I'm afraid to touch anything. Looking at the specific problems, I think that most of the points I touched during one longish editing session got moved several miles away (and all by the same amount). Some points from the session did not get relocated. For example, 6346890, Sotelo Ave is still fine. Yes, and that Flash zoom stopped working with the update to Potlatch 0.7, as has been discussed lately. It is dangerous now to use that otherwise very useful zooming option. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] : Crazy ways after editing
I've found my missing street. The many (all?) of the moved points are attached to it. Is there a way to move all the points in a way by several miles? It will be difficult to do manually. I wish Potlatch had a bookmark feature so I could teleport back and forth... The way is 6331826, Park Blvd. For example, point 53032784 needs to be moved on top of 24596866 and the rest of way 6331826 needs the same change. Thanks, -Dave On Feb 5, 2008 1:14 PM, Jukka Rahkonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Muir Sharnoff lists at dave.sharnoff.org writes: Should I attempt to manually fix these ways? Since I don't know what caused the problem in the first place, I'm afraid to touch anything. Looking at the specific problems, I think that most of the points I touched during one longish editing session got moved several miles away (and all by the same amount). Some points from the session did not get relocated. For example, 6346890, Sotelo Ave is still fine. Yes, and that Flash zoom stopped working with the update to Potlatch 0.7, as has been discussed lately. It is dangerous now to use that otherwise very useful zooming option. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] : Crazy ways after editing
On 05/02/2008, David Muir Sharnoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've found my missing street. The many (all?) of the moved points are attached to it. Is there a way to move all the points in a way by several miles? It will be difficult to do manually. I wish Potlatch had a bookmark feature so I could teleport back and forth... The way is 6331826, Park Blvd. Pretty easy to manually slide the way back to its position using JOSM. Cheers Andy For example, point 53032784 needs to be moved on top of 24596866 and the rest of way 6331826 needs the same change. Thanks, -Dave On Feb 5, 2008 1:14 PM, Jukka Rahkonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Muir Sharnoff lists at dave.sharnoff.org writes: Should I attempt to manually fix these ways? Since I don't know what caused the problem in the first place, I'm afraid to touch anything. Looking at the specific problems, I think that most of the points I touched during one longish editing session got moved several miles away (and all by the same amount). Some points from the session did not get relocated. For example, 6346890, Sotelo Ave is still fine. Yes, and that Flash zoom stopped working with the update to Potlatch 0.7, as has been discussed lately. It is dangerous now to use that otherwise very useful zooming option. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk -- Andy Robinson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
