Re: [OSM-talk] Sister Projects / possible data source
I don't know if I have got this discussion wrong, but I have seen at least two community projects that are trying to build databases of locations of different wireless networks: http://openbmap.org/ and http://opencellid.org/ / Erik [1] http://opencellid.org/ 2011-08-07 23:50, John Smith skrev: On 8 August 2011 07:46, Richard Weaitrich...@weait.com wrote: As I remember it from previous discussions, wifi locations are somewhat transient for OSM. Cell tower locations are likely from government databases are they not? Google etc estimate location of towers by using data handsets expose. Given that this would be a 'complete' dataset from another source, why duplicate (and eventually synchronize) it with OSM, when it should be possible to display them together in a mash up? If there is GPS data involved that might be more useful than the tower estimations etc. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Sister Projects / possible data source
hi just an idea. would it be possible to include the WiFi or Celltower information that are collected by crowdflow.net into open street map? maybe someone could ask them if they are willing to provide there data ;-) bye AssetBurned On 05.07.2011, at 18:48, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/7/5 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Maybe we should simply have a link Related Projects pointing to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Related_Project in this location? Maybe we can also open a discussion about this related projects list. IMHO googlemapmaker - although having a similar approach - is not related to OSM. I'd delete all of the projects there that have a no in the license column, i.e. all copyrighted. IMHO OSM is not related to projects that collect proprietary data. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Sister Projects / possible data source
hi just an idea. would it be possible to include the WiFi or Celltower information that are collected by crowdflow.net into open street map? maybe someone could ask them if they are willing to provide there data ;-) bye AssetBurned On 05.07.2011, at 18:48, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/7/5 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Maybe we should simply have a link Related Projects pointing to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Related_Project in this location? Maybe we can also open a discussion about this related projects list. IMHO googlemapmaker - although having a similar approach - is not related to OSM. I'd delete all of the projects there that have a no in the license column, i.e. all copyrighted. IMHO OSM is not related to projects that collect proprietary data. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Sister Projects / possible data source
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 4:42 PM, assetburned openstreet...@assetburned.de wrote: hi just an idea. would it be possible to include the WiFi or Celltower information that are collected by crowdflow.net into open street map? maybe someone could ask them if they are willing to provide there data ;-) As I remember it from previous discussions, wifi locations are somewhat transient for OSM. Cell tower locations are likely from government databases are they not? Given that this would be a 'complete' dataset from another source, why duplicate (and eventually synchronize) it with OSM, when it should be possible to display them together in a mash up? Mind you, combining towers and frequencies with terrain and building outlines would make a fun project for estimating propagation. ;-) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Sister Projects / possible data source
On 8 August 2011 07:46, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: As I remember it from previous discussions, wifi locations are somewhat transient for OSM. Cell tower locations are likely from government databases are they not? Google etc estimate location of towers by using data handsets expose. Given that this would be a 'complete' dataset from another source, why duplicate (and eventually synchronize) it with OSM, when it should be possible to display them together in a mash up? If there is GPS data involved that might be more useful than the tower estimations etc. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Sister Projects
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Why on earth should we give references to proprietary data projects like mapmaker in our wiki? Including it in the list gives us a chance to link to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google_map_maker and explain why people should *not* choose GMM instead of OSM. -- Tobias Knerr ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Sister Projects
On 6 July 2011 22:03, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Why on earth should we give references to proprietary data projects like mapmaker in our wiki? Including it in the list gives us a chance to link to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google_map_maker and explain why people should *not* choose GMM instead of OSM. And why would that be, because the new CTs are similar to google and people don't really have to share back, just like google isn't really sharing... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Sister Projects
Am 06.07.2011 20:17, schrieb John Smith: On 6 July 2011 22:03, Tobias Knerro...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Why on earth should we give references to proprietary data projects like mapmaker in our wiki? Including it in the list gives us a chance to link to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google_map_maker and explain why people should*not* choose GMM instead of OSM. And why would that be, because the new CTs are similar to google and people don't really have to share back, just like google isn't really sharing... Come on this is just a style discussion on wiki pages, nothing political. To me it sounds good to point to other projects and may be to compare there pros/cons. cya Matthias ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Sister Projects
Hi, Our wiki lists Free The Postcode, Mapstraction, and OpenStreetPhoto as our Sister Projects. I propose to delete that paragraph altogether because I think that this is just a random list - I fail to see what value this adds to the OSM wiki start page, and I fail to see what is so special about these projects as to merit a mention on our main wiki page. Maybe we should simply have a link Related Projects pointing to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Related_Project in this location? Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Sister Projects
Am 05.07.2011 15:19, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Our wiki lists Free The Postcode, Mapstraction, and OpenStreetPhoto as our Sister Projects. I propose to delete that paragraph altogether because I think that this is just a random list - I fail to see what value this adds to the OSM wiki start page, and I fail to see what is so special about these projects as to merit a mention on our main wiki page. Maybe we should simply have a link Related Projects pointing to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Related_Project in this location? Bye Frederik Sounds good, I like the idea of cleaning up the mainpage :) cya Matthias ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Sister Projects
2011/7/5 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Maybe we should simply have a link Related Projects pointing to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Related_Project in this location? Maybe we can also open a discussion about this related projects list. IMHO googlemapmaker - although having a similar approach - is not related to OSM. I'd delete all of the projects there that have a no in the license column, i.e. all copyrighted. IMHO OSM is not related to projects that collect proprietary data. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Sister Projects
Am Dienstag, den 05.07.2011, 19:48 +0200 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Maybe we can also open a discussion about this related projects list. IMHO googlemapmaker - although having a similar approach - is not related to OSM. I'd delete all of the projects there that have a no in the license column, i.e. all copyrighted. IMHO OSM is not related to projects that collect proprietary data. Sure, maybe we find a better topic than 'related' or sister projects. Maybe 'other VGI' or something more strict? bye Matthias ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Sister Projects
2011/7/5 Matthias Meisser dig...@arcor.de: Am Dienstag, den 05.07.2011, 19:48 +0200 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Maybe we can also open a discussion about this related projects list. IMHO googlemapmaker - although having a similar approach - is not related to OSM. I'd delete all of the projects there that have a no in the license column, i.e. all copyrighted. IMHO OSM is not related to projects that collect proprietary data. Sure, maybe we find a better topic than 'related' or sister projects. Maybe 'other VGI' or something more strict? Why on earth should we give references to proprietary data projects like mapmaker in our wiki? Cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Sister Projects
Hi, M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Sure, maybe we find a better topic than 'related' or sister projects. Maybe 'other VGI' or something more strict? Why on earth should we give references to proprietary data projects like mapmaker in our wiki? To point out the difference? Maybe we should rename the page to similar projects because related seems to suggest that we have some sort of working relationship (i.e. OSMF board members being invited to VIP dinners and such ;) I would have no problem with a similar projects page that maybe has two sub-sections, other open projects and proprietary products or so. It doesn't even have to be as placative as http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google_map_maker ;) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Sister Projects
On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 23:35 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/7/5 Matthias Meisser dig...@arcor.de: Am Dienstag, den 05.07.2011, 19:48 +0200 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Maybe we can also open a discussion about this related projects list. IMHO googlemapmaker - although having a similar approach - is not related to OSM. I'd delete all of the projects there that have a no in the license column, i.e. all copyrighted. IMHO OSM is not related to projects that collect proprietary data. Sure, maybe we find a better topic than 'related' or sister projects. Maybe 'other VGI' or something more strict? Why on earth should we give references to proprietary data projects like mapmaker in our wiki? So the project doesnt appear to outsiders like we got our head stuck in the sand? We're not giving advertising space, we're giving one row in a comparison column. Can you suggest another way of showing the comparison between OSM and other similar projects/sites, without mentioning those projects/sites? Besides, if that page only showed projects which follow the same licence as OSM, the page would be pretty much empty, even the forks who are almost identical to the OSM project in every way, wouldnt meet that criteria. I guess you could always just do what advertisements do and refer to 'the other leading map program', without referring to it by name. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
