Re: [OSM-talk] dispensing pharmacy considered confusing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Here on Brazil, we have the words farmácias (pharmacies) and drogarias (drugstores), but they are used as synonyms, so they're all dispensing pharmacies. [] On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 19:37, Greg Troxel wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Use GnuPG with Firefox : http://getfiregpg.org (Version: 0.7.5) iEYEARECAAYFAkoIOf8ACgkQN8/PzL0GXewalQCeOlQvkbwhMmdHKHYZizswXdQZ poEAnAoZ3HuH9Nwg5fAHAgk07c7r4IcV =akGq -END PGP SIGNATURE- Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org writes: Stefan Bethke wrote: Am 09.05.2009 um 08:59 schrieb Paul Johnson: Yes, but here in the US you wouldn't call anything where you couldn't get a prescription filled a pharmacy so the dispensing tag is redundant. I think that's what he's getting at. That's not true: I can think of several Rexall and Rite Aid locations that are not dispensing pharmacies in Oregon. So what would you call it then? A drug store? Pharmacies and drug stores are synonymous here, dispensing or not. And I noticed another thing that I didn't before: There are some pharmacies (such as some Walgreens and all WalMart locations) which are 24-hours, but are only dispensing during banker's hours. Not sure how you would tag a pharmacy that may or may not be dispensing depending on the time of day. Well, we are trying to be a map, not a complete database of the world - that's the slippery slope. I wouldn't worry about these nuances. So the only real question is whether your example Rite-Aid that won't fill prescriptions is really a pharmacy, or merely shop=chemist. I would guess you also can't get sudafed there, which is like the UK P list. So I will edit the pharmacy tag page to add: Denotes a location where a pharmacist (typically licensed by the government) sells medications whose sale is typically regulated by the government. In jurisdictions where there is a class of drugs that can be sold by pharmacists without a doctor's precscription, pharmacies that sell those drugs but do not fill prescriptions should be tagged dispensing=no. Pharmacies that fill prescriptions should be tagged dispensing=yes. Stores that sell other items typically found in pharmacies such as personal care items, but that do not sell regulated medications, should be not be tagged as amenity=pharmacy, but instead perhaps as shop=chemist. The current text is not sufficient to allow someone who understands what a store does to make tagging decisions. I think the intent is clear, that amenity=pharmacy is only for places with registered pharmacists (at least in countries that have such a concept). Therefore amenity=pharmacy dispensing=no has to be about a place with a registered pharmacist that can't fill prescriptions. In UK terms, this would be P medications but not POM. In the US, it would mean sudafed but not prescriptions (I have never heard of this). Please object if you don't like my proposed wiki edit above. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Arlindo Saraiva Pereira Jr. Bacharelando em Sistemas de Informação - UNIRIO - uniriotec.br Consultor de Software Livre da UNIRIOTEC Consultoria - uniriotec.com Acadêmico: arlindo.pere...@uniriotec.br Profissional: arlindo.pere...@uniriotec.com Geral: cont...@arlindopereira.com Tel.: +5521 92504072 Jabber/Google Talk: nig...@nighto.net Skype: nighto_sumomo Chave pública: BD065DEC ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] dispensing pharmacy considered confusing
Adam Schreiber wrote: On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Greg Troxel wrote: I just mapped a CVS, which is a store that sells lots of personal hygiene stuff and has a real pharmacy (with a licensed pharmacist, who can fill prescriptions signed by doctors). I used amenity=pharmacy dispensing=yes, but find the description on the tag page confusing. I put my confusion on the Talk page for the tag, and if people can explain to me I'll tweak the wording on the tag page to clarify (assuming that's ok to do). My understanding is that dispensing=yes on a pharmacy would be a pharmacy where you can get a prescription filled. Yes, but here in the US you wouldn't call anything where you couldn't get a prescription filled a pharmacy so the dispensing tag is redundant. I think that's what he's getting at. That's not true: I can think of several Rexall and Rite Aid locations that are not dispensing pharmacies in Oregon. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] dispensing pharmacy considered confusing
Am 09.05.2009 um 08:59 schrieb Paul Johnson: Yes, but here in the US you wouldn't call anything where you couldn't get a prescription filled a pharmacy so the dispensing tag is redundant. I think that's what he's getting at. That's not true: I can think of several Rexall and Rite Aid locations that are not dispensing pharmacies in Oregon. So what would you call it then? A drug store? Stefan -- Stefan Bethke s...@lassitu.de Fon +49 151 14070811 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] dispensing pharmacy considered confusing
Hi, Stefan Bethke wrote: Yes, but here in the US you wouldn't call anything where you couldn't get a prescription filled a pharmacy so the dispensing tag is redundant. I think that's what he's getting at. That's not true: I can think of several Rexall and Rite Aid locations that are not dispensing pharmacies in Oregon. So what would you call it then? A drug store? In Germany we have three classes of drugs (the medical term). Some are unregulated and may be sold anywhere; some do not require a prescription but may only be sold through pharmacies; and some require a prescription. The first group of those which may be sold anywhere is very small and comprises stuff like herbal tea or on the border line to cosmetics. Even classic self-medication stuff like Paracetamol or Cetirizin is in the second group (only sold in pharmacies). Because pharmacies are regulated by a special law, supermarkets with a pharmacy counter are very rare. Each pharmacy must be owned by a trained pharmacist (not e.g. a supermarket chain), and he or she may not own more than one pharmacy (but that may have up to three subsidiaries). In Germany, there are no pharmacies that do not fill a prescription. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] dispensing pharmacy considered confusing
Stefan Bethke wrote: Am 09.05.2009 um 08:59 schrieb Paul Johnson: Yes, but here in the US you wouldn't call anything where you couldn't get a prescription filled a pharmacy so the dispensing tag is redundant. I think that's what he's getting at. That's not true: I can think of several Rexall and Rite Aid locations that are not dispensing pharmacies in Oregon. So what would you call it then? A drug store? Pharmacies and drug stores are synonymous here, dispensing or not. And I noticed another thing that I didn't before: There are some pharmacies (such as some Walgreens and all WalMart locations) which are 24-hours, but are only dispensing during banker's hours. Not sure how you would tag a pharmacy that may or may not be dispensing depending on the time of day. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] dispensing pharmacy considered confusing
Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org writes: Stefan Bethke wrote: Am 09.05.2009 um 08:59 schrieb Paul Johnson: Yes, but here in the US you wouldn't call anything where you couldn't get a prescription filled a pharmacy so the dispensing tag is redundant. I think that's what he's getting at. That's not true: I can think of several Rexall and Rite Aid locations that are not dispensing pharmacies in Oregon. So what would you call it then? A drug store? Pharmacies and drug stores are synonymous here, dispensing or not. And I noticed another thing that I didn't before: There are some pharmacies (such as some Walgreens and all WalMart locations) which are 24-hours, but are only dispensing during banker's hours. Not sure how you would tag a pharmacy that may or may not be dispensing depending on the time of day. Well, we are trying to be a map, not a complete database of the world - that's the slippery slope. I wouldn't worry about these nuances. So the only real question is whether your example Rite-Aid that won't fill prescriptions is really a pharmacy, or merely shop=chemist. I would guess you also can't get sudafed there, which is like the UK P list. So I will edit the pharmacy tag page to add: Denotes a location where a pharmacist (typically licensed by the government) sells medications whose sale is typically regulated by the government. In jurisdictions where there is a class of drugs that can be sold by pharmacists without a doctor's precscription, pharmacies that sell those drugs but do not fill prescriptions should be tagged dispensing=no. Pharmacies that fill prescriptions should be tagged dispensing=yes. Stores that sell other items typically found in pharmacies such as personal care items, but that do not sell regulated medications, should be not be tagged as amenity=pharmacy, but instead perhaps as shop=chemist. The current text is not sufficient to allow someone who understands what a store does to make tagging decisions. I think the intent is clear, that amenity=pharmacy is only for places with registered pharmacists (at least in countries that have such a concept). Therefore amenity=pharmacy dispensing=no has to be about a place with a registered pharmacist that can't fill prescriptions. In UK terms, this would be P medications but not POM. In the US, it would mean sudafed but not prescriptions (I have never heard of this). Please object if you don't like my proposed wiki edit above. pgpUuzDuB2pzI.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] dispensing pharmacy considered confusing
I just mapped a CVS, which is a store that sells lots of personal hygiene stuff and has a real pharmacy (with a licensed pharmacist, who can fill prescriptions signed by doctors). I used amenity=pharmacy dispensing=yes, but find the description on the tag page confusing. I put my confusion on the Talk page for the tag, and if people can explain to me I'll tweak the wording on the tag page to clarify (assuming that's ok to do). http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:amenity%3Dpharmacy pgpS7LesI5V68.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] dispensing pharmacy considered confusing
Greg Troxel wrote: I just mapped a CVS, which is a store that sells lots of personal hygiene stuff and has a real pharmacy (with a licensed pharmacist, who can fill prescriptions signed by doctors). I used amenity=pharmacy dispensing=yes, but find the description on the tag page confusing. I put my confusion on the Talk page for the tag, and if people can explain to me I'll tweak the wording on the tag page to clarify (assuming that's ok to do). My understanding is that dispensing=yes on a pharmacy would be a pharmacy where you can get a prescription filled. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] dispensing pharmacy considered confusing
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Greg Troxel wrote: I just mapped a CVS, which is a store that sells lots of personal hygiene stuff and has a real pharmacy (with a licensed pharmacist, who can fill prescriptions signed by doctors). I used amenity=pharmacy dispensing=yes, but find the description on the tag page confusing. I put my confusion on the Talk page for the tag, and if people can explain to me I'll tweak the wording on the tag page to clarify (assuming that's ok to do). My understanding is that dispensing=yes on a pharmacy would be a pharmacy where you can get a prescription filled. Yes, but here in the US you wouldn't call anything where you couldn't get a prescription filled a pharmacy so the dispensing tag is redundant. I think that's what he's getting at. Cheers, Adam ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
