Re: [OSM-talk] End of road for JOSM on OS X for ppc
Peteris Krisjanis wrote: 2010/9/16 Arigead captain.dea...@gmail.com: Renaud MICHEL wrote: Le mardi 14 septembre 2010 à 16:32, Arigead a écrit : Don't think that changing the OS to Ubuntu will make any difference. I've not checked but if you do change to Ubuntu you'll still be trying to download the Java version for Linux on PPC. I don't think that will be supported by sun. But like I say I've not checked. The latest Java is only supported on Intel 86 Arch as far as I remember. If you want the official java from Sun (which doesn't even exists anymore), no. But openjdk can be compiled on other architecture. Debian has it for alpha amd64 armel i386 ia64 mips mipsel powerpc sparc, see http://packages.debian.org/lenny/openjdk-6-jre so ubuntu should too I tried that for something else but unfortunately the Java6 source was trying to run features which were not implemented by the open source JRE's. Still you're right that an open JRE might implement enough of the spec to get JOSM off the ground. Interesting, I run lastest JOSM with OpenJDK without any big fuss on Ubuntu 10.04. It should run on Mac OS X. Cheers, Peter. Nice one. There's the solution then. Must admit when I was trying to run Java6 source is was JXTA on an ARM in an embedded system. There were just too many issues for me to even bother with it. OpenJDK might be worth looking at in future but thankfully I'm no longer working on JXTA. Huge lump of something. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] End of road for JOSM on OS X for ppc
Renaud MICHEL wrote: Le mardi 14 septembre 2010 à 16:32, Arigead a écrit : Don't think that changing the OS to Ubuntu will make any difference. I've not checked but if you do change to Ubuntu you'll still be trying to download the Java version for Linux on PPC. I don't think that will be supported by sun. But like I say I've not checked. The latest Java is only supported on Intel 86 Arch as far as I remember. If you want the official java from Sun (which doesn't even exists anymore), no. But openjdk can be compiled on other architecture. Debian has it for alpha amd64 armel i386 ia64 mips mipsel powerpc sparc, see http://packages.debian.org/lenny/openjdk-6-jre so ubuntu should too I tried that for something else but unfortunately the Java6 source was trying to run features which were not implemented by the open source JRE's. Still you're right that an open JRE might implement enough of the spec to get JOSM off the ground. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] End of road for JOSM on OS X for ppc
2010/9/16 Arigead captain.dea...@gmail.com: Renaud MICHEL wrote: Le mardi 14 septembre 2010 à 16:32, Arigead a écrit : Don't think that changing the OS to Ubuntu will make any difference. I've not checked but if you do change to Ubuntu you'll still be trying to download the Java version for Linux on PPC. I don't think that will be supported by sun. But like I say I've not checked. The latest Java is only supported on Intel 86 Arch as far as I remember. If you want the official java from Sun (which doesn't even exists anymore), no. But openjdk can be compiled on other architecture. Debian has it for alpha amd64 armel i386 ia64 mips mipsel powerpc sparc, see http://packages.debian.org/lenny/openjdk-6-jre so ubuntu should too I tried that for something else but unfortunately the Java6 source was trying to run features which were not implemented by the open source JRE's. Still you're right that an open JRE might implement enough of the spec to get JOSM off the ground. Interesting, I run lastest JOSM with OpenJDK without any big fuss on Ubuntu 10.04. It should run on Mac OS X. Cheers, Peter. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] End of road for JOSM on OS X for ppc
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:41, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/9/16 Arigead captain.dea...@gmail.com: Renaud MICHEL wrote: Le mardi 14 septembre 2010 à 16:32, Arigead a écrit : Don't think that changing the OS to Ubuntu will make any difference. I've not checked but if you do change to Ubuntu you'll still be trying to download the Java version for Linux on PPC. I don't think that will be supported by sun. But like I say I've not checked. The latest Java is only supported on Intel 86 Arch as far as I remember. If you want the official java from Sun (which doesn't even exists anymore), no. But openjdk can be compiled on other architecture. Debian has it for alpha amd64 armel i386 ia64 mips mipsel powerpc sparc, see http://packages.debian.org/lenny/openjdk-6-jre so ubuntu should too I tried that for something else but unfortunately the Java6 source was trying to run features which were not implemented by the open source JRE's. Still you're right that an open JRE might implement enough of the spec to get JOSM off the ground. Interesting, I run lastest JOSM with OpenJDK without any big fuss on Ubuntu 10.04. It should run on Mac OS X. It should, but Mac OS X users in general seem to be more interested in demanding that Apple do things for them instead of helping themselves, so apps like that don't get ported. Actually I'd be willing to bet that compiling OpenJDK 6 on OSX PPC against X11.app is a relatively trivial matter if you apply the patches from FreeBSD, but probably nobody has tried that yet, and even if they did OSX users feel icky when they have to run anything under X11.app. *sigh* ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] End of road for JOSM on OS X for ppc
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: Actually I'd be willing to bet that compiling OpenJDK 6 on OSX PPC against X11.app is a relatively trivial matter if you apply the patches from FreeBSD, but probably nobody has tried that yet, and even if they did OSX users feel icky when they have to run anything under X11.app. Again, http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/static/soylatte/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] End of road for JOSM on OS X for ppc
?var Arnfjor? Bjarmason wrote: On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 09:39, Morten Kjeldgaard m...@bioxray.dk wrote: Yesterday I tried to upgrade JOSM on my trusty old Apple Powerbook G4. However, JOSM now needs Java 6SE, which is _not_ supported on OSX version 10.5 (Leopard). If you own a Mac with an Intel CPU, you can upgrade to OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard), but that is not an option for machines using the PPC architecture. I had to downgrade JOSM again to version 3376, which is the end-of-the-line version for Mac OS X running on a PPC chip. So, if you own a machine like that, don't upgrade JOSM! One thing you could do to run newer versions of JOSM is to install Ubuntu or Debian on the machine and dual-boot it. A big JOSM editing session can take hours anyway, so dual-booting to edit isn't that costly. Don't think that changing the OS to Ubuntu will make any difference. I've not checked but if you do change to Ubuntu you'll still be trying to download the Java version for Linux on PPC. I don't think that will be supported by sun. But like I say I've not checked. The latest Java is only supported on Intel 86 Arch as far as I remember. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] End of road for JOSM on OS X for ppc
On 11/09/2010, at 14.53, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/9/11 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com: On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 09:39, Morten Kjeldgaard m...@bioxray.dk wrote: Yesterday I tried to upgrade JOSM on my trusty old Apple Powerbook G4. However, JOSM now needs Java 6SE, which is _not_ supported on OSX version 10.5 (Leopard). If you own a Mac with an Intel CPU, you can upgrade to OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard), but that is not an option for machines using the PPC architecture. I had to downgrade JOSM again to version 3376, which is the end-of- the-line version for Mac OS X running on a PPC chip. So, if you own a machine like that, don't upgrade JOSM! One thing you could do to run newer versions of JOSM is to install Ubuntu or Debian on the machine and dual-boot it. Heh, yes, but I don't really need to do that, since I have a few workstations and a netbook, all Ubuntu machines. You might also try to contact apple and complain about their product philosophy. Yeah, but to be fair, Apple has actually done quite a lot to keep old hardware and software working. When moving from the M68K platform to PPC, they supported the older architecture for years. When moving to OS X, they supported OS9 via an emulator for years; the support of that emulator stopped with OS 10.5. The Intel transition happened in June 2006, four years ago, and so I grant you that giving up on the PPC for OS X 10.6 so soon is quite disappointing for Apple customers, especially given the fact that Apple hardware is very durable. My Powerbook from 2005 still looks great, I am happy with it, and has had no serious problems other than a hard-drive faiure a couple of years ago. Of course, it's not like my laptop suddenly stops working, however I will be seeing more and more problems like this, upgrading software. At some point, I will need new hardware. If that is in 2 years time, I will have gotten 7 useful years out of my purchase, which is not too bad. There are other things I would much rather criticise Apple for; this is obviously the extremely closed nature of their iPhone/iPad platform, and I would never buy that hardware. This is stated by someone who has been an Apple fanboy/owner since 1985... Sorry for this slightly OT discussion on talk :-) Cheers, Morten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] End of road for JOSM on OS X for ppc
Not an official port, no, but there's this: http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/static/soylatte/ I don't know about PPC, but I just got it working on Mac OSX 10.4 Tiger on Intel. I installed soylatte, set the PATH and JAVA_HOME variables, and was able to run it. You need to open X11 first and run josm from the X11 term window, but it then works fine. - Alan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] End of road for JOSM on OS X for ppc
On 11/09/2010, at 12.38, Alex S. wrote: Morten Kjeldgaard wrote: Yesterday I tried to upgrade JOSM on my trusty old Apple Powerbook G4. However, JOSM now needs Java 6SE, which is _not_ supported on OSX version 10.5 (Leopard). If you own a Mac with an Intel CPU, you can upgrade to OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard), but that is not an option for machines using the PPC architecture. Not an official port, no, but there's this: http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/static/soylatte/ I checked that out when I discovered that JOSM had become Java 6SE only, unfortunately Soylatte is only for the intel platform. Cheers, Morten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] End of road for JOSM on OS X for ppc
Morten Kjeldgaard wrote: Hi, Yesterday I tried to upgrade JOSM on my trusty old Apple Powerbook G4. However, JOSM now needs Java 6SE, which is _not_ supported on OSX version 10.5 (Leopard). If you own a Mac with an Intel CPU, you can upgrade to OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard), but that is not an option for machines using the PPC architecture. I had to downgrade JOSM again to version 3376, which is the end-of-the-line version for Mac OS X running on a PPC chip. So, if you own a machine like that, don't upgrade JOSM! For any fundamental changes like new killer features or a change to API 0.7, it should be possible to port that back to JOSM 3376 / Java 5. This probably won't be done by core developers, but if someone takes the initiative, we wouldn't oppose. :) Sebastian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] End of road for JOSM on OS X for ppc
Morten Kjeldgaard wrote: On 11/09/2010, at 12.38, Alex S. wrote: Not an official port, no, but there's this: http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/static/soylatte/ I checked that out when I discovered that JOSM had become Java 6SE only, unfortunately Soylatte is only for the intel platform. There's a build of OpenJDK 7 Beta 1 for 10.5-ppc on that list... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] End of road for JOSM on OS X for ppc
Morten Kjeldgaard wrote: Yesterday I tried to upgrade JOSM on my trusty old Apple Powerbook G4. However, JOSM now needs Java 6SE, which is _not_ supported on OSX version 10.5 (Leopard). If you own a Mac with an Intel CPU, you can upgrade to OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard), but that is not an option for machines using the PPC architecture. Not an official port, no, but there's this: http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/static/soylatte/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] End of road for JOSM on OS X for ppc
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 09:39, Morten Kjeldgaard m...@bioxray.dk wrote: Yesterday I tried to upgrade JOSM on my trusty old Apple Powerbook G4. However, JOSM now needs Java 6SE, which is _not_ supported on OSX version 10.5 (Leopard). If you own a Mac with an Intel CPU, you can upgrade to OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard), but that is not an option for machines using the PPC architecture. I had to downgrade JOSM again to version 3376, which is the end-of-the-line version for Mac OS X running on a PPC chip. So, if you own a machine like that, don't upgrade JOSM! One thing you could do to run newer versions of JOSM is to install Ubuntu or Debian on the machine and dual-boot it. A big JOSM editing session can take hours anyway, so dual-booting to edit isn't that costly. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] End of road for JOSM on OS X for ppc
2010/9/11 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com: On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 09:39, Morten Kjeldgaard m...@bioxray.dk wrote: Yesterday I tried to upgrade JOSM on my trusty old Apple Powerbook G4. However, JOSM now needs Java 6SE, which is _not_ supported on OSX version 10.5 (Leopard). If you own a Mac with an Intel CPU, you can upgrade to OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard), but that is not an option for machines using the PPC architecture. I had to downgrade JOSM again to version 3376, which is the end-of-the-line version for Mac OS X running on a PPC chip. So, if you own a machine like that, don't upgrade JOSM! One thing you could do to run newer versions of JOSM is to install Ubuntu or Debian on the machine and dual-boot it. You might also try to contact apple and complain about their product philosophy. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
