Re: [OSM-talk] adding multiple relations (bus routes) to one road
Am Mittwoch, 6. Juli 2011 04:54:37 schrieb Robin Paulson: hi, I'm currently adding a lot of bus routes to roads in central Auckland. problem is, it's getting hard to manage. I've successfully mapped a full public transport network with 50 lines and 1500 stops. I've used JOSM with the public transport plugin. See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/public_transport Cheers, Roland ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] adding multiple relations (bus routes) to one road
On 06/07/2011 03:54, Robin Paulson wrote: hi, I'm currently adding a lot of bus routes to roads in central Auckland. problem is, it's getting hard to manage. some road segments have 40+ routes on them, which gets complicated. here is an example of one which I've added 12 routes to; there will be lots more http://www.openbusmap.org/?zoom=17lat=-36.86508lon=174.74462layers=BT are there any suggestions for making it easier? You don't actually say what the problem is. If you mean cutting the ways into small segments then a possible answer could be to add a separate way over the top of the roads that is just tagged with the route relation. I've done this in areas where bicycle routes cross pedestrian areas. I'm not sure if this is a perfect solution I'd welcome comments. if you mean the number of labels that OBM displays, then that's more a problem for the renderer. I'm not sure every segments has to display the route number. Incidentally, does route 205 terminate at the end of Bond Street? Cheers Dave F. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] adding multiple relations (bus routes) to one road
On 06/07/2011 10:03, Jo wrote: There is this proposal http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Route_Segments, which I like, but it seems it's not worked on anymore and it's not rendered, since it involves relations containing relations. I don't really mind having many relations on roads. It doesn't pose a problem in JOSM. It would be easier to manage changes though, if the information wasn't duplicated 40 times. I think that became super-relations: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:route#Multiple_routes_share_the_same_path ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] adding multiple relations (bus routes) to one road
With P2 the easier way of working is to select a whole series of ways (ctrl-click to add a second way while maintaining selection of the first), then add all of the ways to a relation (or multiple relations) at the same time. You can select all members of an existing relation using the little triangle to the right on the relation list, then add them to another relation (or remove them all from another relation). ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] adding multiple relations (bus routes) to one road
On 7 July 2011 23:02, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: You don't actually say what the problem is. err, what? the problem is managing the ways inside the editor (potlatch 2). it gets very messy and is hard to keep track of. i find at later dates i have made several mistakes that need correcting If you mean cutting the ways into small segments then a possible answer could be to add a separate way over the top of the roads that is just tagged with the route relation. I've done this in areas where bicycle routes cross pedestrian areas. I'm not sure if this is a perfect solution I'd welcome comments. that sounds very clumsy. if the routes (bus and other traffic) share the way, drawing another way is (a) wrong (b) difficult to edit, and (c) confusing if you mean the number of labels that OBM displays, then that's more a problem for the renderer. I'm not sure every segments has to display the route number. no. i sent that link as it shows the complexity/number of relations without hitting edit Incidentally, does route 205 terminate at the end of Bond Street? well spotted. no, it turns east. i think that demonstrates my point actually. i didn't realise i hadn't tagged great north road with that route -- robin http://bumblepuppy.org/blog/?p=237 - government bill to remove basic human rights in NZ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] adding multiple relations (bus routes) to one road
On 7 July 2011 23:59, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com wrote: With P2 the easier way of working is to select a whole series of ways (ctrl-click to add a second way while maintaining selection of the first), then add all of the ways to a relation (or multiple relations) at the same time. You can select all members of an existing relation using the little triangle to the right on the relation list, then add them to another relation (or remove them all from another relation). ah, that makes things easier still not quite what i'm after though -- robin http://bumblepuppy.org/blog/?p=237 - government bill to remove basic human rights in NZ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] adding multiple relations (bus routes) to one road
On 07/07/2011 21:52, Robin Paulson wrote: On 7 July 2011 23:02, Dave F.dave...@madasafish.com wrote: You don't actually say what the problem is. err, what? the problem is managing the ways inside the editor (potlatch 2). You made no mention of that in your original post. Maybe you should have posted this specifically to the potlatch dev forum been a tad clearer. If you mean cutting the ways into small segments then a possible answer could be to add a separate way over the top of the roads that is just tagged with the route relation. I've done this in areas where bicycle routes cross pedestrian areas. I'm not sure if this is a perfect solution I'd welcome comments. that sounds very clumsy. if the routes (bus and other traffic) share the way, drawing another way is (a) wrong (b) difficult to edit, and (c) confusing I wouldn't say it's wrong, but yes, difficult to edit. if you mean the number of labels that OBM displays, then that's more a problem for the renderer. I'm not sure every segments has to display the route number. no. i sent that link as it shows the complexity/number of relations without hitting edit Incidentally, does route 205 terminate at the end of Bond Street? well spotted. no, it turns east. i think that demonstrates my point actually. i didn't realise i hadn't tagged great north road with that route ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] adding multiple relations (bus routes) to one road
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 4:54 AM, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.comwrote: are there any suggestions for making it easier? -- robin I suggested a long time ago that adding segment roads in routes relations was a bad idea. The alternative is to put the intersection nodes and end-nodes of the route. This has the big advantage that ways are not split any more for some abstract features like routes (and you don't have to add a 2nd relation to rebuild the road). But it has the disadvantage that software developers have to work a bit before they can render the result. Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] adding multiple relations (bus routes) to one road
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 4:54 AM, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote: are there any suggestions for making it easier? -- robin Well you could put in a request to make the boundary between the taglist and relations list in Potlatch moveable, so you can see more relations. Having the relation list in a consistent order would also help. If you haven't already twigged, make sure you widen the tag/relations lists - it makes it a lot easier to see what the relations are. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] adding multiple relations (bus routes) to one road
There is this proposal http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Route_Segments, which I like, but it seems it's not worked on anymore and it's not rendered, since it involves relations containing relations. I don't really mind having many relations on roads. It doesn't pose a problem in JOSM. It would be easier to manage changes though, if the information wasn't duplicated 40 times. There is also a public transport map here now: http://opencyclemap.org/?zoom=16lat=-36.84618lon=174.77386layers=0B Jo 2011/7/6 Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com hi, I'm currently adding a lot of bus routes to roads in central Auckland. problem is, it's getting hard to manage. some road segments have 40+ routes on them, which gets complicated. here is an example of one which I've added 12 routes to; there will be lots more http://www.openbusmap.org/?zoom=17lat=-36.86508lon=174.74462layers=BT are there any suggestions for making it easier? -- robin http://bumblepuppy.org/blog/?p=237 - government bill to remove basic human rights in NZ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] adding multiple relations (bus routes) to one road
2011/7/6 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: The alternative is to put the intersection nodes and end-nodes of the route. This has the big advantage that ways are not split any more for some abstract features like routes (and you don't have to add a 2nd relation to rebuild the road). But it has the disadvantage that software developers have to work a bit before they can render the result. if you stored only nodes there would be ambiguity problems in cases where several ways connect the same nodes. It would also increase complexity for editors/mappers tremendously when detaching nodes with relations on them from ways. Cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] adding multiple relations (bus routes) to one road
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 11:23 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: if you stored only nodes there would be ambiguity problems in cases where several ways connect the same nodes. You also have ambiguity problem in the other model e.g. when you have segments in your relation which are not defining a straight line... The applications using such relations would simply ignore the ones with ambiguities (e.g. not rendered). That would indicate the mappers what to fix. It would also increase complexity for editors/mappers tremendously when detaching nodes with relations on them from ways. Detaching intersection nodes is not something usual. At the moment, the complexity is more on managing ways with an increasing amount of relations and an increasing amount of segments within the relations for a single street. Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] adding multiple relations (bus routes) to one road
On 6 July 2011 22:39, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: Detaching intersection nodes is not something usual. At the moment, the complexity is more on managing ways with an increasing amount of relations and an increasing amount of segments within the relations for a single street. hmm, all interesting ideas guys, but it looks like i'm stuck for the moment with manual management is there a way in potlatch 2 to copy relations from one way/node to another? in potlatch 1 it was 'hold the Ctrl-key while clicking the relations button' i think -- robin http://bumblepuppy.org/blog/?p=237 - government bill to remove basic human rights in NZ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
