Re: [OSM-talk] coastline within a park
2010/3/6 osm easingwold osm.easingw...@hotmail.co.uk: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-36.90445lon=174.85045zoom=16layers=B000FTF The renderer is confused by having a park overlapping the sea and it's obviously getting the ordering wrong. Yes. And therefore the problem lies in the rendering rules, not the underlying data, that's why these should be modified, not the data. Actually I can think of no case where water should not be rendered above other nearby polygons. The only situations would be covered underground water bodies, which should be tagged with a layer-tag and probably some yet-to-come-underground-tag, so I think this issue can be solved. (Probably the suggestion to map the water explicitly above and tag it with natural water, tidal=yes is the best hack proposed till now, but of course remains unsatisfactory). You lose the fact that the basin itself is part of the park, but I'm not sure how important that is. IMHO it is important. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] coastline within a park
On 6 March 2010 16:01, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: landuse? no, i didn't use that. i used leisure=park sure. ahh… our messy key,tag combinations for areas natural, landuse, leisure … and it's not a national park, only local council we still use it for parks if it's the type of parks protecting nature and add a admin_level similar to political boundary hierarchy key national_park is also documented that it can be used in a wider range of parks. yeah, i know. precisely why i don't get involved in these discussions/tag admin anymore. everyone's quite happy adding more and more tags to solve their little problem, with no consideration for how it affects the whole. so there are now three methods for tagging parks? good work that man! is it any surprise it's a horrible mess? /out ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] coastline within a park
On 7 March 2010 13:55, Erik Johansson e...@kth.se wrote: Whoa, had a bad day? When things doesn't doesn't work like you want them to, it's not because the world is a horrible mess. no, not a bad day. previous bad experiences on osm around tagging: everyone's so concentrated on their own small problem, they ignore the bigger picture of what osm is/could be for anyway, back to mapping. gotta keep the stress levels down ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] coastline within a park
On 5 March 2010 20:35, simon msr...@gmail.com wrote: In this case your park have to follow the coastline with the tham node (I have correct it to show you) unfortunately the water is part of the park If it was a park with water in the midle you have to use multipolygone relation http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multipolygon right, will do ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] coastline within a park
On 5 March 2010 20:40, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: Don't use coastline but tag the basin with natural water or any other water type tags like riverbank … hmm, well if we can ignore for a moment the abomination of inconsistency that is water tagging in general and natural=water specifically, then no: the basin is tidal, so it's coastline coastline is also sensitive to direction while water has to be a closed polygon only, direction doesn't matter yes ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] coastline within a park
On 5 March 2010 20:39, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 March 2010 17:17, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote: i've recently mapped a park which contains a basin. when the tiles render, the whole area, including the water, renders green. how would i tag this so the renderer understands the water bit should be treated as water, and rendered blue? The tiles just needed to be marked dirty so they regenerated, try viewing it now. they'd already rendered, but now someone else has drawn it incorrectly. i'll revert, use a polygon relation, and re-render ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] coastline within a park
2010/3/5 Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com: they'd already rendered, but now someone else has drawn it incorrectly. i'll revert, use a polygon relation, and re-render haven't you stated above that the water is part of the park? The multipolygon-relation will exclude the inner from the outer, so IMHO this is not your desired solution... cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] coastline within a park
Hillsman, Edward hills...@cutr.usf.edu writes: I have a related question, which I've let sit for several months hoping to find an answer for. There is a park here http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=27.8394lon=-82.5924zoom=14layers=B000FTF that includes wetland islands, wetland mainland, and dry mainland. Initially I could not get any of it to render as park. Somehow I eventually dumbed into something that renders the wetland islands as park, but it required deleting the islands and retracing them--not sure why. Anyway, I don't want to have to retrace the mainland wetland coastline to do this, and I also need to connect that with the dry mainland section. The entire wetland mainland area in the view is part of the park, and I know from visits to the area where the northern boundaries for the dry areas are. Can someone advise how to do this? I've stayed away from doing any further work on the local coastline until I figure this out. coastline and park should be entirely separate conceptually. Tag it how it is, and if it doesn't render how you think it should look into the rendering rules. Contorting the tagging to make the current rendering incarnation work right seems like not a good plan. I suspect the rendering folks would be interested in a fix; I can easily see this being a case not envisioned and not handled. pgpl39gQi0EFD.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] coastline within a park
On a related issue, since a way that forms a closed loop is interpreted as the boundary of an area rather than as a way, how does one map a road or trail that forms a closed loop? --Original Message-- From: Robin Paulson Sender: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org To: OpenStreetMap talk mailing list Subject: [OSM-talk] coastline within a park Sent: Mar 5, 2010 1:17 AM i'm after some advice. i know this is potentially tagging for the renderer, but still i've recently mapped a park which contains a basin. when the tiles render, the whole area, including the water, renders green. how would i tag this so the renderer understands the water bit should be treated as water, and rendered blue? cheers http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-36.90445lon=174.85045zoom=16layers=B000FTF ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] coastline within a park
John F. Eldredge wrote: On a related issue, since a way that forms a closed loop is interpreted as the boundary of an area rather than as a way, how does one map a road or trail that forms a closed loop? It depends on the context. A closed loop tagged with a highway tag is just a closed highway. Roundabouts are often simple closed loops, but render as a ring not an area. There are exceptions of course (it wouldn't be OSM without them :-)) If you want to draw a piazza draw the closed outline with highway=pedestrian which would normally render as a closed loop, but if you add area=yes the whole space is rendered as a filled piazza. Cheers, Chris ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] coastline within a park
On 5 Mar 2010, at 24:29 , Robin Paulson wrote: On 5 March 2010 20:40, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: Don't use coastline but tag the basin with natural water or any other water type tags like riverbank … hmm, well if we can ignore for a moment the abomination of inconsistency that is water tagging in general and natural=water specifically, then no: the basin is tidal, so it's coastline Didn't see when zoomed in to your view. clear now from low zoom. you can hack it but that is dirty tagging for the renderer. Osmarender: add layer=-1 to the park Mapnik: add a water polygon and this will render on top of all other area features. If you consider micro mapping in future it's probably better not to use the landuse at all instead add a boundary national_park to render the boundary itself and have landuse polygons for wood,meadow,… for the details coastline is also sensitive to direction while water has to be a closed polygon only, direction doesn't matter yes ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] coastline within a park
On 6 March 2010 01:41, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: haven't you stated above that the water is part of the park? The multipolygon-relation will exclude the inner from the outer, so IMHO this is not your desired solution... ah, yes. good point. i hadn't understood it fully, thanks for pointing that out ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] coastline within a park
On 6 March 2010 06:23, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: Didn't see when zoomed in to your view. clear now from low zoom. you can hack it but that is dirty tagging for the renderer. it is indeed. i'll leave it as is, and come up with some bullshit for when a casual map user asks why panmure basin is coloured green Osmarender: add layer=-1 to the park Mapnik: add a water polygon and this will render on top of all other area features. ugh, that's horrible. If you consider micro mapping in future it's probably better not to use the landuse at all instead add a boundary national_park to render the boundary itself and have landuse polygons for wood,meadow,… for the details landuse? no, i didn't use that. i used leisure=park and it's not a national park, only local council ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] coastline within a park
On 5 Mar 2010, at 13:41 , Robin Paulson wrote: landuse? no, i didn't use that. i used leisure=park sure. ahh… our messy key,tag combinations for areas natural, landuse, leisure … and it's not a national park, only local council we still use it for parks if it's the type of parks protecting nature and add a admin_level similar to political boundary hierarchy key national_park is also documented that it can be used in a wider range of parks. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] coastline within a park
On 5 March 2010 17:17, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote: i've recently mapped a park which contains a basin. when the tiles render, the whole area, including the water, renders green. how would i tag this so the renderer understands the water bit should be treated as water, and rendered blue? The tiles just needed to be marked dirty so they regenerated, try viewing it now. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] coastline within a park
Don't use coastline but tag the basin with natural water or any other water type tags like riverbank … coastline is also sensitive to direction while water has to be a closed polygon only, direction doesn't matter On 4 Mar 2010, at 23:17 , Robin Paulson wrote: i'm after some advice. i know this is potentially tagging for the renderer, but still i've recently mapped a park which contains a basin. when the tiles render, the whole area, including the water, renders green. how would i tag this so the renderer understands the water bit should be treated as water, and rendered blue? cheers http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-36.90445lon=174.85045zoom=16layers=B000FTF ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
