[talk-au] Osmaware stuff
Until today I was basically downloading the daily changeset and using osmaware script to parse it, however from now on what will happen is it will update every 15 minutes or so from minutely change files. On the map you can now display todays changes plus yesterdays. The only problem I'm having is you can click on map pins from yesterdays layer if you have todays layer showing. http://maps.bigtincan.com/?zoom=4lat=-28.22793lon=134.96271layer=BTFTFFF ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Osmaware stuff
Nice work displaying the route distance :). Would it be easy to allow the repositioning of the start/end route points without clearing them? Being able to do this would make route debuging much easier as you could zero in on breaks quicker. - Original Message - From: John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 5:03 pm Subject: [talk-au] Osmaware stuff To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Until today I was basically downloading the daily changeset and using osmaware script to parse it, however from now on what will happen is it will update every 15 minutes or so from minutely change files. On the map you can now display todays changes plus yesterdays. The only problem I'm having is you can click on map pins from yesterdays layer if you have todays layer showing. http://maps.bigtincan.com/?zoom=4lat=- 28.22793lon=134.96271layer=BTFTFFF ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Re-Importing Australian + ext terr data.
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: Would it be easy to allow the repositioning of the start/end route points without clearing them? Being able to do this would make route debuging much easier as you could zero in on breaks quicker. Possibly, but at the moment I'm trying to figure out bounding box boundaries for Australia and it's external territories. Also who ever put admin boundaries around most islands you missed lord howe island and the gulf islands too I think :) Also I'm trying to exclude the coral sea islands, does this list of boundaries cover everything? The ordering is on based on what I thought would be most likely to least likely. Most of the 6 states + 2 territories lat = -44 and lat = -20 and lon = 112 and lon = 154 Rest of QLD + NT + Ashmore/Cartier islands lat = -20 and lat = -9.8 and lon = 122.5 and lon = 149.3 Norfolk island lat = -29.4 and lat = -28.7 and lon = 167.6 and lon = 168.3 Cocos/Keeling islands lat = -12.42 and lat = -11.8 and lon = 96.6 and lon = 97.2 Xmas island lat = -10.78 and lat = -10.2 and lon = 105.3 and lon = 105.92 I didn't bother to include antartican territory since anything outside of about 80 degrees north/south tends to render in a hap hazard way, eg north pole at 0,0 and parking space at 0,0 although these render at different zooms, about z14 for the parking. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Garmin routable (was Re: Cycleway/footway/path)
Ben Kelley wrote: OT, but get a different version of the routable maps. I used to have a version that thought footpaths were great for driving on. Try the ones from here http://www.osmaustralia.org/garminroute.php My current wish list is declaring a street index so you can search for streets, and handling the no-right-turn data. - Ben. 2009/8/11 Liz ed...@billiau.net mailto:ed...@billiau.net My Garmin thing wanted me to use a walking / cycle track alongside Lake Burley Griffin once I think I added the street name as POI option to the Garmin map generation, but perhaps not for the cycle maps... I'll check tomorrow. Matt ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Rendering wish list
John Smith wrote: Are there any other things people would like to be rendered differently from the standard OSM tiles? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Aussie_Mapnik_Style_Changes I'd be keen for the 4WD bit to appear after the name for all roads tagged as 4wd only. Not sure if you've done this - for some reason everything is timing out for me Matt ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Marking non-existent roads...
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: Does anyone have a suggestion on marking non-existent roads, so people don't waste time trying to map them? when you get to his area, non-existent roads are often roads into properties, and belong on the old Telstra database from which they were robbed, but not on a normal map ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Rendering wish list
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Matt White mattwh...@iinet.com.au wrote: I'd be keen for the 4WD bit to appear after the name for all roads tagged as 4wd only. Not sure if you've done this - for some reason everything is timing out for me No I haven't but I'll add it to the list. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Marking non-existent roads...
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:41:10 +1000 Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: Does anyone have a suggestion on marking non-existent roads, so people don't waste time trying to map them? when you get to his area, non-existent roads are often roads into properties, and belong on the old Telstra database from which they were robbed, but not on a normal map For all that it saves mappers time putting this data on there, surely it's bordering on infringement issues putting reference to them in there. Especially things like honey-pot streets. Darrin -- =b ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OSM representation in Australia
We had a discussion on local chapters a while ago, and I think there was a bit of to and fro with Etienne in the UK about setting up an LC here (can't remember if that was on or off list). At that stage, the OSMF weren't sure which way was up, but that looks to be changing. I'd be keen to do something local chapter-wise, just not actually sure what. I've never set up a non-profit association type entity before, and no doubt the various applicable laws will provide us with endless joy, but the concept of a formal AU umbrella organisation certainly appeals. But it's a lot of organisation/hassle etc so whoever is taking charge will need a fair bit of time. However, there's nothing stopping us from creating a local OSM organisation with or without the consent of Mum and Dad (OSM/OSMF) As delta foxtrot says, it does make negotiation with local government, business etc far easier, and there are all manner of grants and the like for non-profits available if we had grand plans, especially for rural/regional Australia. Given the size of Australia, and more specifically the low population density, we probably need a more organised approach to mapping the place if we are serious about trying to complete the entire country. I do like the concept of getting schools involved - it's an excellent way to get all the little towns in AU mapped, and it's the kind of thing (locally focused, global benefit) that would appeal to not just schools in small towns but a lot of other entities in those towns. (Ages ago I was looking for anybody in the Naracoorte area to kick off mapping Naracoorte, cos once it's done, the local paper will start using the maps for publication over the ones they are currently buying each week, plus the cost to all the advertisers who run maps in their display ads) Hey, out of interest, how many people on this list are OSMF members? OK, I'll stop talking now... Matt John Smith wrote: Just to let everyone know what's happening, the guy I work for has become interested in both helping the community and to get into selling mapping services. He also has numerous business connections. There has already been some unofficial talks with a company that makes phone handsets with GPS/3G and they seem willing to donate quite a number of these for some kind of schools/education programme. The idea is the phones would be lent out on a per month basis, along with an education pack describing all the ways schools can get involved in various activities, hopefully it can be made fun and exciting. :) For this to happen there needs to be some kind of official presence for these companies to deal with, if they donate goods it has to be owned by some entity, as the company offering phones won't want to deal with schools directly. Most government departments don't like dealing with individuals so there needs to be an official group behind this. I don't know if starting a local chapter would be the best solution, but on the other hand things might be made more difficult, if things default to OSMF in the UK. However before any of this can occur I really need to know if people have a genuine concern with setting up a local chapter or not. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OSM representation in Australia
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Matt White mattwh...@iinet.com.au wrote: I'd be keen to do something local chapter-wise, just not actually sure what. I've never set up a non-profit association type entity before, and no doubt the various applicable laws will provide us with endless joy, but the concept of a formal AU umbrella organisation certainly appeals. It's generally straight forward, there is a set of model rules put out but most/all state govts, however these would need to be adapted to adhere to OSMF policies, secondly most rules leave out the sections needed to be tax exempt and the only other thing I can think of is a public disclosure clause for people that work for public mapping companies to reduce any undisclosed conflict of interest. While an associations are usually easy to setup and run, they usually don't get DGR (deductible gift recipients) status with the ATO, DGRs are the ones that state any donations over $2 is tax deductible. Also to be in line with OSMF's policies we need about 20 people willing to become financial members of such an organisation, by default the annual fee in model rules for membership is $10, however since the model rules are changing we can set this to be lower/higher or leave it unchanged. http://www.dft.nsw.gov.au/pdfs/About_us/Publications/ft119.pdf http://www.dft.nsw.gov.au/Cooperatives_and_associations/Associations.html But it's a lot of organisation/hassle etc so whoever is taking charge will need a fair bit of time. However, there's nothing Apart from the exact wording on the rules submitted to the DFT or other state body, all it takes is about $110 and about 10-30 minutes in line at the local DFT office. stopping us from creating a local OSM organisation with or without the consent of Mum and Dad (OSM/OSMF) I realise this, but it's advantageous if we do, there is branding and so on that would gain credibility and in return everything is more or less under the same umbrella so OSM itself benefits. As delta foxtrot says, it does make negotiation with local government, business etc far easier, and there are all manner of grants and the like for non-profits available if we had grand plans, especially for rural/regional Australia. I hadn't considered that side of things, but yes that's a possibility but those things take a LOT of time and money to prepare and so forth. I do like the concept of getting schools involved - it's an excellent way to get all the little towns in AU mapped, and it's the kind of thing (locally focused, global benefit) that would appeal to not just schools in small towns but a lot of other entities in those towns. Actually I was talking to a teacher yesterday about this, their words were It's not worth all the paper work to take kids off school grounds unless it's an annual event However, we could line things up to coincide with school trips to get away with this still. Also this problem would probably be dealt with better from targetting depts of education in the states rather than directly with schools, but to do this we need an entity. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OSM representation in Australia
Liz wrote: On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Matt White wrote: Hey, out of interest, how many people on this list are OSMF members? me I probably should have kicked it off and said I am a member as well ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Vincent MEURISSE wrote: If you really need such a tool, copy the software used by openstreetbug, put it on your server and then you can have annotations on the map. thanks Vincent that could well be a workable solution ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: thanks Vincent that could well be a workable solution It might be a solution, but it's sub-optimal as you have enough to sort out working out where to go, without looking up where not to go. :/ ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: --- On Wed, 12/8/09, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: thanks Vincent that could well be a workable solution It might be a solution, but it's sub-optimal as you have enough to sort out working out where to go, without looking up where not to go. :/ well looking at google or whereis still isn't a crime and marking that they are wrong is not copying their data in any logical sense -- Caution: breathing may be hazardous to your health. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OSM representation in Australia
John Smith wrote: --- On Wed, 12/8/09, Matt White mattwh...@iinet.com.au wrote: But it's a lot of organisation/hassle etc so whoever is taking charge will need a fair bit of time. However, there's nothing Apart from the exact wording on the rules submitted to the DFT or other state body, all it takes is about $110 and about 10-30 minutes in line at the local DFT office. I was more referring to the ongoing requirements - taxation/finance reporting (BAS statements are applicable to non-profits, but not sure about IAS statements), plus the yearly ones (GST, FBT amongst others - perhaps the ASIC registration). Plus potentially public liability and other insurance, and as if the org was to pay anyone for work (and I guess iwe should probably aim have a viable enough operation to require at least part time employees), you get into PAYG, super and the like. It doesn't cost much to start a non-profit, but it does cost money to operate one. Not 100% on this, but for companies, things like the end of finacial year tax stuff has to be signed off by an accountant, plus all the other incidentals. (I'm not trying to be negative here - just speaking from having spent the last decade dealing with all this stuff after registering a company 13 years ago cos it was cheap and seemed like a good idea at the time...) However, any money we donated to the chapter would be a tax deduction, which would be awesome I've always wanted a tax deductible hobby - I can't seem to write off buying guitars as an expense with my current companies... It would be good to have a proper place for the couple of domain names that a few of us own as well - I felt a little sheepish registering osmaustralia.org when I did - it kind of didn't seem right... Matt ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OSM representation in Australia
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Matt White mattwh...@iinet.com.au wrote: I was more referring to the ongoing requirements - taxation/finance reporting (BAS statements are applicable to non-profits, but not sure about IAS statements), plus the yearly ones (GST, FBT amongst others - perhaps the ASIC registration). non-profits are tax exempt, and don't need to do GST/BAS unless they turn over more than $100,000/yr. Plus potentially public liability and other insurance, and as if the org was to pay anyone for work (and I guess iwe should probably aim have a viable enough operation to require at least part time employees), you get into PAYG, super and the like. Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves too soon, we don't even have an entity let alone be in a postition to have employees. As for public liability, it is limited to $2mil in NSW for non-profit associations, also unless you are running sporting events the risk of being publically liable is very low. Just because you are a member and have a car accident in the process of mapping would be out of the scope of the association as that is an activity you are doing on your own initative. It doesn't cost much to start a non-profit, but it does cost money to operate one. Not 100% on this, but for companies, things like the end of finacial year tax stuff has to be signed off by an accountant, plus all the other incidentals. If this goes ahead there will most likely be an accountant involved doing all the books/paper work so that should be covered. (I'm not trying to be negative here - just speaking from having spent the last decade dealing with all this stuff after registering a company 13 years ago cos it was cheap and seemed like a good idea at the time...) Companies are a completely different thing entirely, they are for profit for starters, and don't get tax exempt status, not the same thing as a charity, it just means the entity wouldn't normally be liable to pay GST other taxes for anything. However, any money we donated to the chapter would be a tax deduction, It's very difficult to get that status with the ATO, there is 40-50 categories and they all deal with benefiting the community in health or education or the arts or enviromental groups or shelters etc. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: well looking at google or whereis still isn't a crime and marking that they are wrong is not copying their data in any logical sense especially if you directly made an observation that it doesn't exist, the question is still how to represent this, hopefully I'm finally making myself understood on the legal list. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: well looking at google or whereis still isn't a crime and marking that they are wrong is not copying their data in any logical sense especially if you directly made an observation that it doesn't exist, the question is still how to represent this, hopefully I'm finally making myself understood on the legal list. that's what i'm thinking if you had to explain in a court of law m'lud i didn't copy it because it didn't exist -- Water, taken in moderation cannot hurt anybody. -- Mark Twain ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: that's what i'm thinking if you had to explain in a court of law m'lud i didn't copy it because it didn't exist Well there is a precedent for that, don't know how much weight it would hold since it was in a US court: In Nester's Map Guide Corp. v. Hagstrom Map Co., 796 F.Supp. 729, E.D.N.Y., 1992, a United States federal court found that copyright traps are not themselves protectable by copyright. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trap_streets ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn?
-- Forwarded Message -- Subject: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn? Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 From: Kate maps2w...@gmail.com To: openstreetmap t...@openstreetmap.org At the last DC mapping party in Silver Spring, Maryland, I came across a giant acorn that should be marked on OSM, but not sure the best way to tag it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/kmf164/3814667470/ Also, how we should tag attractions like the world's largest strawberry in Strawberry Point, Iowa: http://www.roadsideamerica.com/salad/strawberry.html -Kate great opportunity here there's a nice giant strawberry just south of Tocumwal http://www.thebigstrawberry.com.au/ and another one on the sunshine coast http://www.bigthings.com.au/s.htm ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn?
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: great opportunity here there's a nice giant strawberry just south of Tocumwal http://www.thebigstrawberry.com.au/ Big banana at coffs, big prawn somewhere else along the pacific highway, big oyster also along the pacific highway. The big banana is what started it all off, world wide too I think, but it was made by an American. and another one on the sunshine coast http://www.bigthings.com.au/s.htm Free entry to go inside it too, so you can get a clear reading from the top of it :) Actually it's not far from Nambour, the guys coming up from Brisbane will most likely be going past it. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn?
Free entry to go inside it too, so you can get a clear reading from the top of it :) Actually it's not far from Nambour, the guys coming up from Brisbane will most likely be going past it. I was talking about the big pineapple, sorry, I'll see if I can detour to do the big shell on the way down. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn?
I was talking about the big pineapple, sorry, I'll see if I can detour to do the big shell on the way down. The big pineapple in Gympie was torn down last year because of the road was being upgraded to dual carriage way and the council was too cheap to move it to some other site. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Fw: Re: [OSM-talk] Status of the Local Chapter working group
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Nick Black nickbla...@gmail.com wrote: From: Nick Black nickbla...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Status of the Local Chapter working group To: Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org Cc: OSM talk t...@openstreetmap.org, Nick Black n...@blacksworld.net, Michael Kugelmann michaelk_...@gmx.de Date: Wednesday, 12 August, 2009, 10:56 AM Ok, taken out the OSM-F list. Thanks for updating the wiki - I'm going to take a look over it tomorrow and make sure all the info the community needs is on there. From there I will propose a set of steps towards getting Local Chapters set up, along with any remaining questions. The community will be able to comment on the process and see what is going on and what needs to be done to set up local chapters. --Nick On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: Hi! Lets use the mailing lists and the wiki. Thats much more inclusive for a diverse group like this. Especially for this issue where there are people from many countries in different time zones involved and where many will not speak English well enough to feel comfortable voicing their opinions in a phone call. And as a bonus everything is already documented for eveybody else and we don't need to wait for meeting minutes etc. Jochen On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 08:30:06AM +0200, Nick Black wrote: Cc: Michael Kugelmann michaelk_...@gmx.de, osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org, OSM talk t...@openstreetmap.org From: Nick Black n...@blacksworld.net To: Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org Subject: Re: [Osmf-talk] [OSM-talk] Status of the Local Chapter working group Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:30:06 +0200 Hi Jochen, Thanks for updating the page. We should try and pick things up again regarding Local Chapters, especially after the progress we made at SOTM. How about we set up a call for late next week or early the week after with all of the interested parties? I'm out of the office today, but if this sounds good I'll get it set up tomorrow. (BTW - Agree wrt using OSM-Talk, but I don't have access to my osm-talk email account when I'm offline). -- Nick On 9 Aug 2009, at 19:45, Jochen Topf wrote: Hi! On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 05:29:23PM +0200, Michael Kugelmann wrote: looking at the foundation web site and the wiki, there is very few information on the local chapter working group - only a draft of the federation agreement is linked withought an information on the version or date it was created! Additionally there are no meeting minutes available at all. (or at least I didn't find iformation and minutes). On the Saturday eving at the SOTM09 there was a meeting relatetd to to local chapters. So please could: A) somebody from the working group give the current status (and maybe add a version information to the draft!) B) somebody joining the SOTM meeting provide information what was discussed and potential results C) somebody from the working group providing information on next steps... I am not a member of the working group, but to get the ball rolling again I have brought the wiki page at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters up to date and added all the stuff that I remember from our meeting at SOTM. I have tried to bring in all the issues that were raised in a form that they can be discussed easily. I think the creation of a legal document as the formal agreement between OSMF and a local chapter is only the second step. The first is that we as a community have to agree roughly on how the relationship between OSMF and the local chapters should be shaped and how they fit into the larger context of the OSM community and the other work of OSMF. Because this is probably an issue of interest to more than current OSM members, I would encourage you to discuss things on the talk list and on the wiki. Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ osmf-talk mailing list osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmf-talk -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b n...@blacksworld.net -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn?
2009/8/12 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com big prawn somewhere else along the pacific highway At Ballina, and it's been announced in the last week or so that it will be demolished some time soon, as it's in really bad nick. Not sure when though. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] 4wd_only
John Smith delta_foxt...@... writes: --- On Wed, 5/8/09, b.schulz...@... b.schulz...@... wrote: Otherwise 4wd_only=yes could mean any road which is signposted as 4wd_only, regardless of legality. If it's signed on a public road sign it most likely is legally enforced since you would be disobeying a legal directive. However I haven't heard of anyone being ticketed, not that it hasn't happened but it didn't make the news. I'm not sure what the legality of a NPWS signs are, since that isn't the same thing as a regular public road. In any case, it's on a sign and it's verifiable which is the basic premise of mapping with OSM. I believe in Victoria it's only a directive if it is on a white sign, yellow background signs are advisory only (not enforceable). Has anyone discussed the appropriateness of using the 4wd_only nomenclature? It seems a bit Australia(NZ?) specific. Maybe that is why there is so much opposition. Seems the Wiki proposal is losing the vote. What about something based on offroad, that seems to be fairly universal (in understanding). Maybe offroad_only; offroad_vehicles_only; offroad_vehicles; offroader; offroaders etc. Making it clear that this is mainly for signs as opposed to subjective opinion like the smoothness debacle seems to help as well. Of course, an en-au localisation of JOSM (Aust. translation) could show offroad tags as 4wd so Australian JOSM users will recognise it instantly. BlueMM ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] 4wd_only
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:34 AM, BlueMMbluemm1975-...@yahoo.com wrote: Has anyone discussed the appropriateness of using the 4wd_only nomenclature? It seems a bit Australia(NZ?) specific. Maybe that is why there is so much opposition. Seems the Wiki proposal is losing the vote. What about something based on offroad, that seems to be fairly universal (in understanding). Maybe offroad_only; offroad_vehicles_only; offroad_vehicles; offroader; offroaders etc. Making it clear that this is mainly for signs as opposed to subjective opinion like the smoothness debacle seems to help as well. Of course, an en-au localisation of JOSM (Aust. translation) could show offroad tags as 4wd so Australian JOSM users will recognise it instantly. IMHO using offroad does NOT make it more clear that this is mainly for signs. I can't think of any reason why offroad would be better than 4wd_only, especially given that 4WD Only or similar is exactly what is on the sign. Perhaps designated_4wd_only, but that looks horrible. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Basic search, first attempt
Hopetoun, Vic and WA, both towns. I got into trouble with this once, because I'd only ever heard of the Vic one, and one of our clients was talking about the WA one, so I arranged for a meeting in the wrong state. Not quite as bad as the French firm that tried sending a package to me in Austria, I guess. If you want a complete list, see if you can find a postcode list, sorted by name. There are a lot of duplicates, though a lot of them are not even suburbs, just locations. Stephen ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] 4wd_only
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, BlueMM bluemm1975-...@yahoo.com wrote: Has anyone discussed the appropriateness of using the 4wd_only nomenclature? It seems a bit Australia(NZ?) specific. Maybe that is why Is also in at least Iceland. there is so much opposition. Seems the Wiki proposal is losing the vote. It looks about 50/50, but I just went and looked at the database structure and it seems to me access=4wd_only or access=4wd_recommended would be much easier to implement as there is a column for that already, so no code in the import side of things or anything else would be needed. I guess I should have checked sooner on the easiest way to implement this, not just what someone else had already thought of. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Basic search, first attempt
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: If you want a complete list, see if you can find a postcode list, sorted by name. There are a lot of duplicates, though a lot of them are not even suburbs, just locations. Auspost has a CSV file on their website, but this it doesn't have lat/lon details and in any case we can't make use this information into OSM due to their strict website copyright. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Basic search, first attempt
Yeah, that's correct. Sorry, I didn't mean to use it as a reference in that way, but a quick run through of the list in name order will give you an idea of how many duplicates there are, and how big the problem is likely to be. It's interesting to have a quick look in postcode order as well - it's amazing how many variations on names there are. Stephen 2009/8/13 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: Auspost has a CSV file on their website, but this it doesn't have lat/lon details and in any case we can't make use this information into OSM due to their strict website copyright. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets
I received non-legal opinions from the legal-talk list and the best solution given was to use a barrier=* and no-turning restrictions to highlight the fact that nothing is there. We could also tag things as an area, landuse=* from sat imagery to indicate the area has been mapped, rather than let people assume otherwise. Other than that everything else might be too borderline. It was suggested we host our own overlay information but I think that just shifts the copyright debate away from OSM but could still potentially get someone else in trouble. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets
Digging into the czech page on signs I found this: restriction=only_straight_on It puts a nice big arrow icon on the node tagged with it. Then all one would nee is to add a note about no road here, not sure if it should be more specific or not. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
