Re: [talk-au] Sydney - Hornsby section of 'Pacific Highway' to revert to old name
Using the alt_name tag seems a good idea to me. I know the state route has been via Jersey/George since at least the latest round of talks began to replace the Hornsby station pedestrian overpass. Somewhere in a council report it stated RMS (then RTA?) had agreed to pay 1/3 of the cost as it was over their road. (Knowing this also makes me feel maybe I pay too much attention local politics :-) ) On 29 Jun 2014, at 10:16 am, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 27/06/2014 12:50 PM, Nilbog_aus wrote: I live local to this and have been following it in the local media too. Also I drive these streets most days. The RMS has stated (in a local paper I think) they have no immediate plans to rename George Street and Jersey Road to Pacific Highway but may in the future. The Pacific Highway main road route has followed George Street and Jersey Road for many years already. I agree that the traffic has been using George Street and Jersey Road, instead of what was the official 'Pacific Highway'. And that is the way the routing indicates for them to go. Ok .. from the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names the tag alt_name http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:alt_name=* could be used to indicate the route of the 'Pacific Highway' in this location? (and what non locals will be calling it looking at a large scale map (or OSM zoomed out)). The 'old Pacific Highway' can also be tagged with old_name too. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Sydney - Hornsby section of 'Pacific Highway' to revert to old name
I live local to this and have been following it in the local media too. Also I drive these streets most days. The RMS has stated (in a local paper I think) they have no immediate plans to rename George Street and Jersey Road to Pacific Highway but may in the future. The Pacific Highway main road route has followed George Street and Jersey Road for many years already. Mark -Original Message- Subject: Re: [talk-au] Sydney - Hornsby section of 'Pacific Highway' to revert to old name On 27 June 2014 11:38, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: The Roads and Maritime Service (RMS) has moved the highway name and route to George Street and Jersey Road. So this means that those sections of George Street and Jersey Road need their names changed to 'Pacific Highway'. Assume their numbers remain the same too? We should be a little careful here. There is a a Pacific Highway main road route, like there is a Princes Highway main road route. You can see those here.. http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/doingbusinesswithus/downloads/lgr/reg_table_for_in ternet_31jan11.pdf However, this doesn't mean the actual street names will change. The chances are that George Street and Jersey Road will remain names as these, Of course, if the RMS choose to whack up new signs, then we'll change it in OSM. See, for example City Road at Broadway, and King Street leading on from it, which as far as the RMS is concerned form part of the Princes Highway for administrative purposes, but road names are as signposted. Ian. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Newcastle Inner Bypass - Motorway or not ?
On 01/06/2013, at 2:33 PM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 June 2013 09:29, Michael James m.ja...@internode.on.net wrote: There is a legal difference between a divided highway and a freeway in Australia, so if it is not actually called a freeway/motorway via signage then it really isn't one. Firstly, I'm a little sceptical of there actually being a legal difference. Can you point to a source that would make this clear? Not that I'm sure we should use it but I think they are usually gazetted by state government eg NSW http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/ra199373/s48.html?stem=0synonyms=0query=Freeway Any state that has laws prohibiting access to certain groups (eg pedestrians) to freeways needs a legal definition. I'm pretty sure most states and countries that have freeways limit access. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes
I like Andrew's message below as I am Interested in what others are doing and why. So below is what effects the licence has had on me and I hope I might encourage others to share what they will be doing. Hopefully this might help us all make more informed decisions, knowing what Australians plan to do and why. I know whatever I admit I am doing some people will disagree (very strongly in some cases). I don't intend to argue my position. Frankly I see no enjoyment or profit in such arguments. My silence on any rebuttal does not imply I am convinced with an excellent argument only that I have chosen not to reply. Now the effect the licence change has made to me. One sentence overview: On the whole I have become disillusioned and have stopped adding to any database and have vastly curtailed my use of open map data. Why? Well I did use CC-BY-SA OSM data in three areas and no project fills all those needs for me anymore. Area 1. Creating maps for internal web based applications in a mid-sized listed Australian company. As soon as it was discovered that OSM was moving from the familiar CC-BY-SA licence to an unfamiliar licence I was instructed to use a Microsoft product instead. The reason being that the legal cost of reviewing any unfamiliar licence would far exceed the cost of a Microsoft product we were being offered. (CC-BY-SA was easy. We went to our in-house council and they passed on to us a free document from one of the big legal firms going over the pros, cons and risks.) The time and money has been invested now so there will be no coming back from the decision in the near term. Area 2. my own little mapping applications .and preventing my contributions being exploited Same unfamiliar licence issue as above. I could read the licence myself but I am not a lawyer. I could pay a lawyer but I have better uses for my money. FOSM is probably the best alternative. Area 3. Maps on various Garmin GPSrs Sites such as www.osmaustralia.org enable me to easily use OSM maps on my GPSrs. These maps tend to be much better for bush trails and I can of course help improve them. OSM is still the best for these. On the whole I have put mapping out of my mind to come back to later. I have done similar things with other hobbies. Maybe I will come back to it like I did wargaming or maybe it will still be sitting (metaphorically) in the garage in 20 years like my model trains have been. Mark (aka NilbogAus) From: Andrew Harvey Sent: Wednesday, 6 July 2011 9:30 PM To: OSM Australian Talk List Subject: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes Since the ban on all contributors who didn't sign the CTs, and ban on all new contributors from using NearMap and other CC-BY/CC-BY-SA sources, I'm no longer actively contributing to the OSM database. Instead I am now actively contributing to the fosm database. I am interested to hear what other active Australian OSM contributors will be doing now. Just looking through the list at http://odbl.de/australia.html we have a fair amount of people who have been locked out, and also people who ticked the CTs who have used CC-BY/CC-BY-SA sources in the past who may want to keep this data and continue using these sources in the future. So, active Australian OSM contributors, are you staying with the OSM db? If so how are you going to do edits going forward, because any CC-BY-SA derived data you add may be removed if OSM abandons CC-BY-SA at some point in the future (or may even be conflicting with your agreed CTs now...). Are you moving to the fosm db? If so, great! Less problems with trying to merge your data into fosm, and we can all get back to mapping. Do you have any concerns over the switch? Are you going to stop contributing data altogether? Or are you putting you efforts on hold at the moment. I'm interested in Australia wide, but I'm personally most interested to hear from Franc, behemoth14, rrankin, Zhent, Ebenezer, swanilli, inas, Diego, good2010, dexgps. (these are just those that come to mind from looking over recent edits in the Sydney area) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
