[Talk-GB] Royal Mail Parcelforce delivery offices
Is there a consensus on how to tag Royal Mail Parcel Force delivery offices? Are these amenity=post_office, or something else? Presumably Parcelforce offices are distinguished by being tagged operator=Parcelforce? Apologies if I've missed something in the documentation or help -- I did look! -- Cheers, John ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Royal Mail Parcelforce delivery offices
John Aldridge wrote: Is there a consensus on how to tag Royal Mail Parcel Force delivery offices? Are these amenity=post_office, or something else? Presumably Parcelforce offices are distinguished by being tagged operator=Parcelforce? Apologies if I've missed something in the documentation or help -- I did look! http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/228404442 Search on 'parcelforce' lists a few depots but these all need tidying in some way. amenity=post_office should be added if they actually take parcels in, but I'm not sure that is correct for all carrier depots? I use City Link but they are not really a post office? http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/471456976 is another example of confusion, since the building above was not listed in the search results, but http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/41363497 has amenity=post_depot ... -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Royal Mail Parcelforce delivery offices
On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 11:52:02 + John Aldridge j...@jjdash.demon.co.uk wrote: Is there a consensus on how to tag Royal Mail Parcel Force delivery offices? Are these amenity=post_office, or something else? If there is a facility that allows the general public access to collect or send mail then I'd consider amenity=post_office to be appropriate. -- Regards, Andy Street ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Royal Mail Parcelforce delivery offices
On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 12:30:42 + Andy Street a...@street.me.uk wrote: Hello Andy, If there is a facility that allows the general public access to collect or send mail then I'd consider amenity=post_office to be appropriate. Royal Mail, Post Office and Parcel Force are three separate companies, and have been for a number of years now, so care should be taken when using the word 'or' in that way; Royal Mail Sorting Offices have the facility for customers to collect post, but can't be described as Post Offices, since you can't, for example, tax your car there. I will freely admit that, in some cases, the lines between the companies and services they offer can be blurred. -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent This is the fifty first state of the USA Heartland - The The ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Royal Mail Parcelforce delivery offices
On 12/01/14 12:30, Andy Street wrote: On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 11:52:02 + John Aldridge j...@jjdash.demon.co.uk wrote: Is there a consensus on how to tag Royal Mail Parcel Force delivery offices? Are these amenity=post_office, or something else? If there is a facility that allows the general public access to collect or send mail then I'd consider amenity=post_office to be appropriate. They're not Post Offices, though. Post Office (capitalised) has a very specific meaning in the UK, with more services than just posting letters. It depends what we want amenity=post_office to mean but I'd say at a minimum without further tags it should mean you can actually post something. If someone goes to a Local Delivery Office with a parcel to post they will be in for a surprise. -- Borbus. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Royal Mail Parcelforce delivery offices
On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 12:48:36 + Brad Rogers b...@fineby.me.uk wrote: On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 12:30:42 + Andy Street a...@street.me.uk wrote: If there is a facility that allows the general public access to collect or send mail then I'd consider amenity=post_office to be appropriate. Royal Mail, Post Office and Parcel Force are three separate companies, and have been for a number of years now, so care should be taken when using the word 'or' in that way; Not only that but there are other companies in the UK post/parcel market. I'd absolutely agree that setting the correct operator= and/or brand= tags is important. Royal Mail Sorting Offices have the facility for customers to collect post, but can't be described as Post Offices, since you can't, for example, tax your car there. FWIW I can't tax my car at my local Post Office nor can I get my passport checked. Not all post offices will offer the same range of services but what they do all have in common is that the public will visit them for sending or collection of mail. -- Regards, Andy Street ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Royal Mail Parcelforce delivery offices
Agreed. A few weeks ago I was collecting a parcel from the local delivery office. The lady on reception overheard me on the phone explaining to my mother that I was “in the post office”. When I hung up the lady, whom I’d noticed frowning, issued a stern and proud (though smiling) correction: “This (pause) is the Royal Mail.” - L On 12 Jan 2014, at 13:03, Borbus bor...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/01/14 12:30, Andy Street wrote: On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 11:52:02 + John Aldridge j...@jjdash.demon.co.uk wrote: Is there a consensus on how to tag Royal Mail Parcel Force delivery offices? Are these amenity=post_office, or something else? If there is a facility that allows the general public access to collect or send mail then I'd consider amenity=post_office to be appropriate. They're not Post Offices, though. Post Office (capitalised) has a very specific meaning in the UK, with more services than just posting letters. It depends what we want amenity=post_office to mean but I'd say at a minimum without further tags it should mean you can actually post something. If someone goes to a Local Delivery Office with a parcel to post they will be in for a surprise. -- Borbus. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Royal Mail Parcelforce delivery offices
Borbus wrote: Is there a consensus on how to tag Royal Mail Parcel Force delivery offices? Are these amenity=post_office, or something else? If there is a facility that allows the general public access to collect or send mail then I'd consider amenity=post_office to be appropriate. They're not Post Offices, though. Post Office (capitalised) has a very specific meaning in the UK, with more services than just posting letters. It depends what we want amenity=post_office to mean but I'd say at a minimum without further tags it should mean you can actually post something. If someone goes to a Local Delivery Office with a parcel to post they will be in for a surprise. Added to that, there are a growing network of parcel services based on convenience stores. I've been making more use of that service for parcels which Royal Mail has now priced too high ;) Even in the local 'post office', some activities are cheaper at the shop counter rather than at the post counter. Post Office is perhaps now just part of the name like 'Parcelforce Depot' or 'Sorting Office'? To also bring in is these 'collection point' services for parcels. amenity=parcel_drop and parcel_collect perhaps along with operator= and perhaps url to the related service? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Royal Mail Parcelforce delivery offices
On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 14:00:20 + Andy Street a...@street.me.uk wrote: Hello Andy, Not only that but there are other companies in the UK post/parcel market. I'd absolutely agree that setting the correct operator= and/or brand= tags is important. Good point. FWIW I can't tax my car at my local Post Office nor can I get my passport checked. Not all post offices will offer the same range of services but what they do all have in common is that the public will visit them for sending or collection of mail. A poor choice, on my part, as an example. Although, thinking about it, that aren't *that* many products or services that _all_ Post Offices offer that are unique to them. -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent Does she always shout at you, does she tell you what to do Family Life - Sham 69 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Royal Mail Parcelforce delivery offices
On 12 January 2014 11:52, John Aldridge j...@jjdash.demon.co.uk wrote: Is there a consensus on how to tag Royal Mail Parcel Force delivery offices? Are these amenity=post_office, or something else? I've generally used amenity=post_depot as a generic tag for sorting offices, delivery offices, etc. Even if you can post and collect stuff there, I don't think most people would think of them as a Post Office. The places I've seen seem to be primarily distribution centres, with a small counter for the public to collect/deliver things as a side-line. It looks like some other people have been using this tag too: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/search?q=post_depot#values Robert. -- Robert Whittaker ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Royal Mail Parcelforce delivery offices
On 12 Jan 2014, at 13:03, Borbus bor...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/01/14 12:30, Andy Street wrote: On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 11:52:02 + John Aldridge j...@jjdash.demon.co.uk wrote: Is there a consensus on how to tag Royal Mail Parcel Force delivery offices? Are these amenity=post_office, or something else? If there is a facility that allows the general public access to collect or send mail then I'd consider amenity=post_office to be appropriate. They're not Post Offices, though. Post Office (capitalised) has a very specific meaning in the UK, with more services than just posting letters. It depends what we want amenity=post_office to mean but I'd say at a minimum without further tags it should mean you can actually post something. If someone goes to a Local Delivery Office with a parcel to post they will be in for a surprise. I agree, we need a different tag for delivery offices compared to post offices which are significantly different. If a lay person searches for a post office they need to get what they expect to be a post office. I’ve recently come across someone who was essentially saying OSM is confusing due to the problems with the located in parts of the Nominatim search results being wrong. A similar thing will happen here. Delivery Offices will pretty much only accept prearranged parcels and pickups. The pickup of parcels from Post Offices is a fairly recent change. Companies such as Collect Plus and myHermes operate through newsagents and smaller supermarkets, thus I’d say it’s a property of the shop rather than being an amenity itself within the shop as it’s the same counter that you buy stuff from where you drop off and collect the parcels. Shaun ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
