Re: [Talk-GB] YHA (England & Wales), Youth Hostel

[Adam Snape]

Of course, if they happen to have suitable GIS data for their locations and
were willing to allow us to reuse these and the details on their website
under the ODBL, then it would be a very helpful dataset. We could use it to
keep track of the frequent closur ahem... changes to the YHA network.

Regards,

Adam

On 4 April 2018 at 13:26, Adam Snape  wrote:

> +1
>
> Permission to add something to a map is certainly not the same as
> permission to release information under the ODBL, we need that explicitly
> stated.
>
> Also, how are you going to locate the hostels? I'm assuming you're
> armchair mapping, so how can you tell whether (or which) hostel mapped in
> OSM is the relevant YHA one? Any information derived from the Google maps
> on the YHA site is strictly unuseable, even with YHA's permission.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Adam Snape
>
> On 4 April 2018 at 13:08, Dan S  wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> "YHA (England & Wales)" would go in the "operator" field, not appended
>> to the "name". (I'm not sure which you were suggesting.)
>>
>> I'm pretty sure that the loose permission (that you quote) is not
>> technically enough to safely use the YHA's own list as a source of
>> data for OSM, though it seems they're likely to be brodly in favour.
>> With a bit more chat with them, and some reassurance that we're not
>> intending to infringe on their copyrights, you can probably get
>> something like an explicit permission to add the data to OSM under
>> ODBL.
>>
>> Best
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> 2018-04-04 12:39 GMT+01:00 David Vere :
>> > I've made an enquiry to YHA England & Wales and have been told that
>> while
>> >
>> > "names of the individual hostels and YHA (England & Wales) as well as
>> Youth
>> > Hostel are all copyrighted”
>> >
>> > they are
>> >
>> > "happy for you to use the names on a map"
>> >
>> > and will even supply a current list.
>> >
>> > Is there any objection to my attaching the YHA hostel name and "YHA
>> (England
>> > & Wales)" to the hostels that are on openstreetmap.
>> >
>> > David
>> >
>> >
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Re: [Talk-GB] YHA (England & Wales), Youth Hostel

[Adam Snape]

+1

Permission to add something to a map is certainly not the same as
permission to release information under the ODBL, we need that explicitly
stated.

Also, how are you going to locate the hostels? I'm assuming you're armchair
mapping, so how can you tell whether (or which) hostel mapped in OSM is the
relevant YHA one? Any information derived from the Google maps on the YHA
site is strictly unuseable, even with YHA's permission.

Kind regards,

Adam Snape

On 4 April 2018 at 13:08, Dan S  wrote:

> Hi
>
> "YHA (England & Wales)" would go in the "operator" field, not appended
> to the "name". (I'm not sure which you were suggesting.)
>
> I'm pretty sure that the loose permission (that you quote) is not
> technically enough to safely use the YHA's own list as a source of
> data for OSM, though it seems they're likely to be brodly in favour.
> With a bit more chat with them, and some reassurance that we're not
> intending to infringe on their copyrights, you can probably get
> something like an explicit permission to add the data to OSM under
> ODBL.
>
> Best
> Dan
>
>
> 2018-04-04 12:39 GMT+01:00 David Vere :
> > I've made an enquiry to YHA England & Wales and have been told that while
> >
> > "names of the individual hostels and YHA (England & Wales) as well as
> Youth
> > Hostel are all copyrighted”
> >
> > they are
> >
> > "happy for you to use the names on a map"
> >
> > and will even supply a current list.
> >
> > Is there any objection to my attaching the YHA hostel name and "YHA
> (England
> > & Wales)" to the hostels that are on openstreetmap.
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Talk-GB] YHA (England & Wales), Youth Hostel

[Dan S]

Hi

"YHA (England & Wales)" would go in the "operator" field, not appended
to the "name". (I'm not sure which you were suggesting.)

I'm pretty sure that the loose permission (that you quote) is not
technically enough to safely use the YHA's own list as a source of
data for OSM, though it seems they're likely to be brodly in favour.
With a bit more chat with them, and some reassurance that we're not
intending to infringe on their copyrights, you can probably get
something like an explicit permission to add the data to OSM under
ODBL.

Best
Dan


2018-04-04 12:39 GMT+01:00 David Vere :
> I've made an enquiry to YHA England & Wales and have been told that while
>
> "names of the individual hostels and YHA (England & Wales) as well as Youth
> Hostel are all copyrighted”
>
> they are
>
> "happy for you to use the names on a map"
>
> and will even supply a current list.
>
> Is there any objection to my attaching the YHA hostel name and "YHA (England
> & Wales)" to the hostels that are on openstreetmap.
>
> David
>
>
>
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[Talk-GB] YHA (England & Wales), Youth Hostel

[David Vere]

I've made an enquiry to YHA England & Wales and have been told that while

"names of the individual hostels and YHA (England & Wales) as well as Youth
Hostel are all copyrighted”

they are

"happy for you to use the names on a map"

and will even supply a current list.

Is there any objection to my attaching the YHA hostel name and "YHA
(England & Wales)" to the hostels that are on openstreetmap.

David
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Re: [Talk-GB] Next quarters project: Post Offices

[Ed Loach]

Thanks Robert.

 

I’ve been trying to track down some of the local unmapped ones. 

 

This one I need to update (thanks to the ex-parish clerk who is regularly on a 
pub quiz team with me confirming):

http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/postoffice/branch/24436

The actual location is the Memorial Club accessed from Harwich Road, but 
probably closer to the Lodge Road postcode.

 

This one is proving more elusive:

http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/postoffice/branch/90116

It has a postcode in Ramsey village, has but the name of a  different village. 
I tried contacting the Ramsey & Parkeston Parish Clerk and they suggested I 
contact Great Oakley, which suggests it isn’t in Ramsey at all (their village 
hall is on Church Hill the other side of the A120).

 

However there is one in Great Oakley Village Hall on Monday and Thursday 
mornings: http://www.great-oakley.co.uk/calendar.php which doesn’t seem to be 
mapped or missing. This used to be Tuesday afternoons and Thursdays according 
to this 2001 article when it first started: 
http://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/5478106.Great_Oakley___Use_or_lose__your_post_office_service/
 Ah – and according to that article it was being run by the operator of Upper 
Dovercourt Post Office, which is on a Main Road, but not the one in Ramsey 
which is indicated by the post code. So I think that must be the one, only 
3.5km away from where the post office think it is, and with different opening 
hours.

 

I’ll tag it as you suggested, perhaps also with the id as mentioned in your 
earlier email to help match them.

 

Ed

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