Re: [Talk-GB] Ideas for quarterly projects

[Ed Loach]

SK53 mentioned:

> In Tendring poleclimber adds notes from planning applications. 

And we try and check them fairly regularly. He also updates
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/tendring-openstreetmap-notes_97621

I agree trying to close notes would probably not be a good project - it should 
be an ongoing task to resurvey notes to check them.

Ed


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Re: [Talk-GB] Ideas for quarterly projects

[Philip Barnes]

On Thu, 2016-12-29 at 19:17 +, SK53 wrote:ertainly round Nottingham
many Notes persist because they remain relevant. 
> 
> In Tendring poleclimber adds notes from planning applications. New
> notes tend to get looked at by someone present on the osm-gb IRC
> channel within a short time of them appearing and spurious ones get
> closed.
> 
> We get plenty of notes via MapBox which are in areas where we don'
> t have mappers and therefore it is not possible to close them without
> a specific survey.
> 
> I worry that a focus on clearing Notes & Fixmes would end up in the
> removal of useful information. So I'm not in favour of this for a
> quarterly project.
> 
> I would also add that Andy (SomeoneElse) has created a very simple to
> use way of grabbing a set of notes or fixmes and creating a GPX file
> which can be loaded into a GPS or smartphone for mapping on the move.
> 
I'm with Jerry on this, new notes are notified to the #osm-gb channel
and we are pretty good at clearing up the rubbish as it is created so
what remains is mostly stuff that needs surveying and will be in areas
where we don't have mappers or mappers don't visit often. These should
not be simply closed.
OSMand displays notes, so when travelling it is useful to be able to
see and maybe change route a bit to survey notes, I would certainly
encourage this. But to make this a task would be wrong. 
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Re: [Talk-GB] Ideas for quarterly projects

[Richard Fairhurst]

Andy Mabbett wrote:
> I'd like to float the following ideas for quarterly projects, and see 
> what folk think.
> [...]
> What are your thoughts?

I'll throw one in early for Q2: campsites, hostels and bunkhouses. OSM
coverage is oddly patchy and it would be great to encourage better coverage
at the start of the "outdoor season". Might be a good way of reaching out to
outdoor communities too.

cheers
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Re: [Talk-GB] Ideas for quarterly projects

[SK53]

Certainly round Nottingham many Notes persist because they remain relevant.

In Tendring poleclimber adds notes from planning applications. New notes
tend to get looked at by someone present on the osm-gb IRC channel within a
short time of them appearing and spurious ones get closed.

We get plenty of notes via MapBox which are in areas where we don'
t have mappers and therefore it is not possible to close them without a
specific survey.

I worry that a focus on clearing Notes & Fixmes would end up in the removal
of useful information. So I'm not in favour of this for a quarterly project.

I would also add that Andy (SomeoneElse) has created a very simple to use
 way of
grabbing a set of notes or fixmes and creating a GPX file which can be
loaded into a GPS or smartphone for mapping on the move.

Jerry



On 6 December 2016 at 20:10, Brian Prangle  wrote:

> My vote goes to clearing up Notes and FIXMEs. Last time I looked the UK
> had one of the poorest clearup rates of Notes.
>
> On 6 December 2016 at 19:32, Andy Mabbett 
> wrote:
>
>> I'd like to float the following ideas for quarterly projects, and see
>> what folk think.
>>
>> * GLAMs - Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums. As with schools we
>> could turn points into ploygons, add names, URLs, street addresses,
>> Wikidata items, and other info.
>>
>> * Blue lights - police, fire and ambulance stations, and associated
>> infrastructure. Including fire hydrants!
>>
>> * Public art - location, artist, material; also Wikidata - could be
>> combined with http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/public-art-wikipedia/
>>
>> * Shops - even where mapped, these soon fall out-of-date.
>>
>> * Vets - maybe not enough to do on their own. Combine with shops?
>> * Pubs, bars & other licensed premises - see
>> https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2016/oct/21/worlds-longes
>> t-pub-crawl-maths-team-plots-route-between-every-pub-in-uk for
>> inspiration. Also breweries.
>>
>> * Public toilets - follows nicely from the previous suggestion! Maybe in
>> collaboration with https://greatbritishpublictoiletmap.rca.ac.uk/
>>
>> * FixMe & Notes - let's clear the backlog!
>>
>> What are your thoughts?
>>
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>> @pigsonthewing
>> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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Re: [Talk-GB] Ideas for quarterly projects

[Andy Mabbett]

On 7 December 2016 at 12:43, Chris Hill  wrote:

> It would be good to improve the road names

We could also improve street name etymology. For instance the new
"Derbyshire Way" in Coventry could be tagged:

   etymology = Delia Derbyshire
   etymology:wikidata = Q29544
   etymology:source =
http://whatsonlive.co.uk/news/new-coventry-road-named-after-electronic-music-pioneer-delia-derbyshire/36715

with the Wikidata ID referring to:

   https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q29544

That's a good armchair activity for winter nights or wet days!

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Re: [Talk-GB] Ideas for quarterly projects

[Chris Hill]

It would be good to improve the road names. I feel it is easier to do the 
survey that is needed to weed out the rather odd 'errors' that pepper the OS 
Locator when the days are longer. 

Cheers, Chris (chillly)

On 7 December 2016 12:37:52 GMT+00:00, Martyn Evans  
wrote:
>How about streets and their names ?
>
>According to the ITO OSM analysis, at 24/11/2016, compared to OS 
>Locator, there were 17,687 missing major roads.  The UK is 97.8% 
>complete, only 16 out of 408 areas are 100% complete, and in the last 
>month only 68 were added.
>
>The ITO tool is available to point out the missing data, and is updated
>
>frequently enough to show progress.
>
>regards, Martyn
>
>On 06/12/16 19:32, Andy Mabbett wrote:
>>
>> I'd like to float the following ideas for quarterly projects, and see
>
>> what folk think.
>>
>> * GLAMs - Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums. As with schools
>
>> we could turn points into ploygons, add names, URLs, street
>addresses, 
>> Wikidata items, and other info.
>>
>> * Blue lights - police, fire and ambulance stations, and associated 
>> infrastructure. Including fire hydrants!
>>
>> * Public art - location, artist, material; also Wikidata - could be 
>> combined with http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/public-art-wikipedia/
>>
>> * Shops - even where mapped, these soon fall out-of-date.
>>
>> * Vets - maybe not enough to do on their own. Combine with shops?
>>
>> * Pubs, bars & other licensed premises - see 
>>
>https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2016/oct/21/worlds-longest-pub-crawl-maths-team-plots-route-between-every-pub-in-uk
>
>> for inspiration. Also breweries.
>>
>> * Public toilets - follows nicely from the previous suggestion! Maybe
>
>> in collaboration with https://greatbritishpublictoiletmap.rca.ac.uk/
>>
>> * FixMe & Notes - let's clear the backlog!
>>
>>
>> What are your thoughts?
>>
>> -- 
>> Andy Mabbett
>> @pigsonthewing
>> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Ideas for quarterly projects

[Martyn Evans]

How about streets and their names ?

According to the ITO OSM analysis, at 24/11/2016, compared to OS 
Locator, there were 17,687 missing major roads.  The UK is 97.8% 
complete, only 16 out of 408 areas are 100% complete, and in the last 
month only 68 were added.


The ITO tool is available to point out the missing data, and is updated 
frequently enough to show progress.


regards, Martyn

On 06/12/16 19:32, Andy Mabbett wrote:


I'd like to float the following ideas for quarterly projects, and see 
what folk think.


* GLAMs - Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums. As with schools 
we could turn points into ploygons, add names, URLs, street addresses, 
Wikidata items, and other info.


* Blue lights - police, fire and ambulance stations, and associated 
infrastructure. Including fire hydrants!


* Public art - location, artist, material; also Wikidata - could be 
combined with http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/public-art-wikipedia/


* Shops - even where mapped, these soon fall out-of-date.

* Vets - maybe not enough to do on their own. Combine with shops?

* Pubs, bars & other licensed premises - see 
https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2016/oct/21/worlds-longest-pub-crawl-maths-team-plots-route-between-every-pub-in-uk 
for inspiration. Also breweries.


* Public toilets - follows nicely from the previous suggestion! Maybe 
in collaboration with https://greatbritishpublictoiletmap.rca.ac.uk/


* FixMe & Notes - let's clear the backlog!


What are your thoughts?

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Re: [Talk-GB] Ideas for quarterly projects

[Dan S]

Nice ideas. My thoughts:

* GLAMs seems a well-defined, well-scoped and accessible task, I like it!

* Shops - no, IMHO. I've said this before, but a one-off push to
update a high street's shops is unhelpful in my experience it leaves
rapidly outdated data thereafter. Shops data needs local maintainers
not one-off projects because of the turnover rate.

* Pubs - no, IMHO. OSM's got loads of pub data, largely fine already,
and it's also a very "classic" OSM topic which not only has its own
critical mass but also appeals only to pub-frequenting segments of
society, not a good focus for making OSM useful to new appreciators.

Cheers
Dan



2016-12-06 19:32 GMT+00:00 Andy Mabbett :
> I'd like to float the following ideas for quarterly projects, and see what
> folk think.
>
> * GLAMs - Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums. As with schools we
> could turn points into ploygons, add names, URLs, street addresses, Wikidata
> items, and other info.
>
> * Blue lights - police, fire and ambulance stations, and associated
> infrastructure. Including fire hydrants!
>
> * Public art - location, artist, material; also Wikidata - could be combined
> with http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/public-art-wikipedia/
>
> * Shops - even where mapped, these soon fall out-of-date.
>
> * Vets - maybe not enough to do on their own. Combine with shops?
>
> * Pubs, bars & other licensed premises - see
> https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2016/oct/21/worlds-longest-pub-crawl-maths-team-plots-route-between-every-pub-in-uk
> for inspiration. Also breweries.
>
> * Public toilets - follows nicely from the previous suggestion! Maybe in
> collaboration with https://greatbritishpublictoiletmap.rca.ac.uk/
>
> * FixMe & Notes - let's clear the backlog!
>
>
> What are your thoughts?
>
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> Andy Mabbett
> @pigsonthewing
> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Ideas for quarterly projects

[Paul Berry]

I'd vote for the pubs one, spurred on by the poor dataset that maths team
used to find the pub crawl: it missed about 10 pubs near me, all long
established. Now if they'd used OSM for the dataset and the mapping...

Regards,
*Paul*

On 6 December 2016 at 19:32, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> I'd like to float the following ideas for quarterly projects, and see what
> folk think.
>
> * GLAMs - Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums. As with schools we
> could turn points into ploygons, add names, URLs, street addresses,
> Wikidata items, and other info.
>
> * Blue lights - police, fire and ambulance stations, and associated
> infrastructure. Including fire hydrants!
>
> * Public art - location, artist, material; also Wikidata - could be
> combined with http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/public-art-wikipedia/
>
> * Shops - even where mapped, these soon fall out-of-date.
>
> * Vets - maybe not enough to do on their own. Combine with shops?
> * Pubs, bars & other licensed premises - see https://www.theguardian.com/
> travel/2016/oct/21/worlds-longest-pub-crawl-maths-team-
> plots-route-between-every-pub-in-uk for inspiration. Also breweries.
>
> * Public toilets - follows nicely from the previous suggestion! Maybe in
> collaboration with https://greatbritishpublictoiletmap.rca.ac.uk/
>
> * FixMe & Notes - let's clear the backlog!
>
> What are your thoughts?
>
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> Andy Mabbett
> @pigsonthewing
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Re: [Talk-GB] Ideas for quarterly projects

[Philip Barnes]

On Tue Dec 6 20:46:03 2016 GMT, Rob Nickerson wrote:
> All great ideas. The trick for Q1 is to find one that will work well in the
> cold weather. I'm not sure I know the answer to that but the idea of doing
> Fixmes and Notes is interesting - it could through up literally anything! I
> will probably learn a great deal from doing that one.
> 
Not sure about notes, we are pretty good at clearing the rubbish, the remaining 
ones are mainly things that need looking at. More a summer thing.

I find OSMand pretty good, as it displays notes and allows them to be visited 
when passing nearby.

Phil (trigpoint)

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[Rob Nickerson]

All great ideas. The trick for Q1 is to find one that will work well in the
cold weather. I'm not sure I know the answer to that but the idea of doing
Fixmes and Notes is interesting - it could through up literally anything! I
will probably learn a great deal from doing that one.

Best regards,
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Re: [Talk-GB] Ideas for quarterly projects

[Brian Prangle]

My vote goes to clearing up Notes and FIXMEs. Last time I looked the UK had
one of the poorest clearup rates of Notes.

On 6 December 2016 at 19:32, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> I'd like to float the following ideas for quarterly projects, and see what
> folk think.
>
> * GLAMs - Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums. As with schools we
> could turn points into ploygons, add names, URLs, street addresses,
> Wikidata items, and other info.
>
> * Blue lights - police, fire and ambulance stations, and associated
> infrastructure. Including fire hydrants!
>
> * Public art - location, artist, material; also Wikidata - could be
> combined with http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/public-art-wikipedia/
>
> * Shops - even where mapped, these soon fall out-of-date.
>
> * Vets - maybe not enough to do on their own. Combine with shops?
> * Pubs, bars & other licensed premises - see https://www.theguardian.com/
> travel/2016/oct/21/worlds-longest-pub-crawl-maths-team-
> plots-route-between-every-pub-in-uk for inspiration. Also breweries.
>
> * Public toilets - follows nicely from the previous suggestion! Maybe in
> collaboration with https://greatbritishpublictoiletmap.rca.ac.uk/
>
> * FixMe & Notes - let's clear the backlog!
>
> What are your thoughts?
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Ideas for quarterly projects

[Andy Townsend]

On 06/12/2016 19:32, Andy Mabbett wrote:

  also Wikidata - ...


Upon reading that my first thought was actually "checking all of the 
wikidata references that have been added by people not necessarily 
familiar with the area".


See, for example, the discussion on 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/43749373 - lots of links have 
been added, many are wrong (FSVO of "wrong" - often wikidata has only 
one entity where OSM as two (e.g. "village" and "admin area"), and the 
wikidata entry describes itself being one of those only, and the "other" 
OSM item is also linked to it (incorrectly).


Unfortunately the wikidata links that have been added in this way 
devalue all the ones added by people who actually knew what they were 
doing, which is a shame.  One way to rectify this might be to have 
people who actually know a particular area validate all the stuff that 
has been added by the various "mechanical turk" accounts.


Whether it's worth having it as a quarterly project is a different 
question of course - it's essentially a "bucket and shovel" job, and 
therefore something of a thankless task.


Best Regards,

Andy



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[Talk-GB] Ideas for quarterly projects

[Andy Mabbett]

I'd like to float the following ideas for quarterly projects, and see what
folk think.

* GLAMs - Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums. As with schools we
could turn points into ploygons, add names, URLs, street addresses,
Wikidata items, and other info.

* Blue lights - police, fire and ambulance stations, and associated
infrastructure. Including fire hydrants!

* Public art - location, artist, material; also Wikidata - could be
combined with http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/public-art-wikipedia/

* Shops - even where mapped, these soon fall out-of-date.

* Vets - maybe not enough to do on their own. Combine with shops?
* Pubs, bars & other licensed premises - see
https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2016/oct/21/worlds-longest-pub-crawl-maths-team-plots-route-between-every-pub-in-uk
for inspiration. Also breweries.

* Public toilets - follows nicely from the previous suggestion! Maybe in
collaboration with https://greatbritishpublictoiletmap.rca.ac.uk/

* FixMe & Notes - let's clear the backlog!

What are your thoughts?

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