Re: [Talk-GB] Legible London signs - tagging suggestions

[Robert Skedgell]

On Tuesday, 10 January 2017 21:46:53 GMT Steve Doerr wrote:
> On 10/01/2017 07:54, Robert Skedgell wrote:
> > ref=legible_london
> 
> I don't understand the rationale for this as a 'ref'. Refs are normally
> unique identifiers for a particular object (unique within a particular
> domain, that is). Thus each sign would have a different ref, if there
> were indeed a system of refs for Legible London signs. The value
> 'legible_london' looks more like a network tag.

ref=* was (as already stated in another reply) an error in my thinking/
recollection - something like brand=legible_london or network=legible_london 
would seem appropriate choices from the suggestions made.

On closer inspection of a few of the miniliths in Stratford, they do have a 
unique ID number which would be an appropriate use for the ref key.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Legible London signs - tagging suggestions

[Steve Doerr]

On 10/01/2017 07:54, Robert Skedgell wrote:

ref=legible_london



I don't understand the rationale for this as a 'ref'. Refs are normally 
unique identifiers for a particular object (unique within a particular 
domain, that is). Thus each sign would have a different ref, if there 
were indeed a system of refs for Legible London signs. The value 
'legible_london' looks more like a network tag.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Legible London signs - tagging suggestions

[Andy Allan]

On 10 January 2017 at 15:55, SK53  wrote:

> I was going to say that usually we have the atco code in ref for bus stops
> with the more visible stop C in local ref, and thus bus stops aren't the
> perfect example. I certainly wouldn't tell someone to wait at bus stop
> 3390V1 rather than V1.

Ah, that's my misremembering of the nuances of bus stop tagging. But I
don't want to drag this too far off-topic, so suffice to ignore
mentions of bus stops in my previous email.

> I then felt obscurely cheated that the latter local_ref shows up on the
> Transport Map in bus stops in high zooms for London and some city centres,
> but apparently not elsewhere. Is this some magical trade secret or me just
> missing some tagging difference.

It's limited to two characters at the moment, perhaps that's the
problem? If not, feel free to get in touch with an example and I'll
investigate.

Thanks,
Andy

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Re: [Talk-GB] Legible London signs - tagging suggestions

[Dan S]

2017-01-10 16:37 GMT+00:00 Andy Mabbett :
> On 10 January 2017 at 07:54, Robert Skedgell  wrote:
>
>> ref=legible_london

Yeah, I agree this isn't the way "ref=" is normally used


> I'd expect to see something like:
>
> operator=legible_london
>
> or, say:
>
> operator=GLA
> scheme=legible_london

Seems to me to have a strong analogy to eg the bike hire scheme so my
guess would have been

network=Legible London


Cheers
Dan

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Re: [Talk-GB] Legible London signs - tagging suggestions

[Andy Mabbett]

On 10 January 2017 at 07:54, Robert Skedgell  wrote:

> ref=legible_london

I'd expect to see something like:

operator=legible_london

or, say:

operator=GLA
scheme=legible_london


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Re: [Talk-GB] Legible London signs - tagging suggestions

[Robert Skedgell]

Andy
That's a very good point. I suspect that I mis-remembered the use of 
crossing_ref=* (used with highway=crossing + crossing=*) as just "ref".
brand=legible_london seems a much better fit, particularly as it makes it seem 
less of an assertion about the actual legibility of the map (as noted in an 
earlier comment).
Perhaps also operator=* for the borough responsible, or TfL as appropriate? 
-- Robert Skedgell  (rskedgell)

 Original message 
From: Andy Allan <gravityst...@gmail.com> 
Date: 10/01/2017  15:10  (GMT+00:00) 
To: Robert Skedgell <r...@hubris.org.uk> 
Cc: Talk-GB <talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> 
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Legible London signs - tagging suggestions 

On 10 January 2017 at 07:54, Robert Skedgell <r...@hubris.org.uk> wrote:

> ref=legible_london

I would only use the ref= tag if there is a reference code for each
installation, e.g. if the totem has a displayed reference like "A01"
designed for users to see. From the pictures I don't think that they
do, and if they did, I would expect it to be a reference for internal
use - i.e. official_ref=

Think of it like bus stops (ref=C) or road numbers (ref=A204). Would
it make sense if I was to render a map with an icon for the
information point, with the reference shown underneath?

I would suggest brand=legible_london as an alternative, but there
might be other options too.

Thanks,
Andy
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Re: [Talk-GB] Legible London signs - tagging suggestions

[SK53]

On 10 January 2017 at 15:10, Andy Allan  wrote:

>
> Think of it like bus stops (ref=C) or road numbers (ref=A204). Would
> it make sense if I was to render a map with an icon for the
> information point, with the reference shown underneath?
>
> Thanks,
> Andy
>
>
I was going to say that usually we have the atco code in ref for bus stops
with the more visible stop C in local ref, and thus bus stops aren't the
perfect example. I certainly wouldn't tell someone to wait
 at bus stop 3390V1 rather
than V1.

I then felt obscurely cheated that the latter local_ref shows up on the
Transport Map in bus stops in high zooms for London and some city centres,
but apparently not elsewhere. Is this some magical trade secret or me just
missing some tagging difference.

Jerry
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Re: [Talk-GB] Legible London signs - tagging suggestions

[Andy Allan]

On 10 January 2017 at 07:54, Robert Skedgell  wrote:

> ref=legible_london

I would only use the ref= tag if there is a reference code for each
installation, e.g. if the totem has a displayed reference like "A01"
designed for users to see. From the pictures I don't think that they
do, and if they did, I would expect it to be a reference for internal
use - i.e. official_ref=

Think of it like bus stops (ref=C) or road numbers (ref=A204). Would
it make sense if I was to render a map with an icon for the
information point, with the reference shown underneath?

I would suggest brand=legible_london as an alternative, but there
might be other options too.

Thanks,
Andy

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Re: [Talk-GB] Legible London signs - tagging suggestions

[Robert Skedgell]

The wiki lists map_type and map_size as "useful combinations" for the tag 
combination tourism=information + information=map ( 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:information%3Dmap ).
Using map_type=street probably makes sense as it is already in use and seems a 
reasonable match for the feature.
I am rather more dubious about map_size, partly because nothing currently in 
use really seems to fit and partly because "size" seems potentially ambiguous 
to convey information about the area covered.
I was aware of the different types of sign listed in TfL's product range PDF, 
but was not really convinced that the distinction between monolith and totem 
(or variants of minilith) would really be useful. Something other than 
tourism=information + information=map would be needed for the waymarker bollard 
and fingerposts in any case as these do not have maps.

 Original message 
From: David Groom <revi...@pacific-rim.net> 
Date: 10/01/2017  10:59  (GMT+00:00) 
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org 
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Legible London signs - tagging suggestions 


Not quite sure what you had in mind by the tags map_type and map_size, 
but maybe need a tag something along the likes of "sign_type" withn 
values of "bollard | monolith | finger_post | totem" ( see 
http://content.tfl.gov.uk/legible-london-product-range.pdf)

David


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From: "Robert Skedgell" <r...@hubris.org.uk>
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Sent: 10/01/2017 07:54:41
Subject: [Talk-GB] Legible London signs - tagging suggestions

>Does anyone have any suggestions for tagging nodes for the Legible 
>London
>signs/maps (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legible_London and 
>https://
>tfl.gov.uk/info-for/boroughs/maps-and-signs )?
>
>Perhaps:
>  tourism=information
>  information=map
>  map_type=street
>  map_size=site
>  name=*
>  ref=legible_london
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Legible London signs - tagging suggestions

[David Groom]

Not quite sure what you had in mind by the tags map_type and map_size, 
but maybe need a tag something along the likes of "sign_type" withn 
values of "bollard | monolith | finger_post | totem" ( see 
http://content.tfl.gov.uk/legible-london-product-range.pdf)


David


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Subject: [Talk-GB] Legible London signs - tagging suggestions

Does anyone have any suggestions for tagging nodes for the Legible 
London
signs/maps (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legible_London and 
https://

tfl.gov.uk/info-for/boroughs/maps-and-signs )?

Perhaps:
 tourism=information
 information=map
 map_type=street
 map_size=site
 name=*
 ref=legible_london

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[Talk-GB] Legible London signs - tagging suggestions

[Robert Skedgell]

Does anyone have any suggestions for tagging nodes for the Legible London 
signs/maps (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legible_London and https://
tfl.gov.uk/info-for/boroughs/maps-and-signs )?

Perhaps:
tourism=information
information=map
map_type=street
map_size=site
name=*
ref=legible_london

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