Re: [Talk-GB] MapThePaths - new site focusing on OSM UK footpath mapping
Sorry, quick update: I inadvertently introduced a bug yesterday afternoon when adding copyright info to the data produced by the API. This is now corrected. Apologies for the downtime. Nick From: Nick Whitelegg Sent: 10 June 2018 14:05:36 To: Rob Nickerson; Talk-GB; Adam Snape Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] MapThePaths - new site focusing on OSM UK footpath mapping Hello Rob and Adam, Glad you find it useful! To answer your points: Firstly a higher zoom level should be easily possible - the tiles are only stored on the server at one zoom level (insufficient disc space to deal with more) but higher zoom level tiles could easily be dynamically generated on the server on demand with PHP. I don't have a combined file of all the council data, though I think I could probably produce one if necessary. However I have a web API to retrieve council (and OSM) data via bounding box: www.mapthepaths.org.uk/row.php?bbox=west,south,east,north=L<http://www.mapthepaths.org.uk/row.php?bbox=west,south,east,north=L> (where L is either osm or council) Note that requesting a very large bounding box is likely to cause server problems - this is untested. I could add the 1900 data, yes. I'll look into the excluded unitary authorities - yes I would have skipped over Bradford and Blackburn as they sounded very urban! Some UAs are not available on rowmaps - Conwy springs to mind. In terms of the editing functionality (when implemented), I won't allow users to delete any existing tags. It will be more a case of a very simplistic interface allowing users to add designation and prow_ref tags where these are not present. Rob - yes I saw that email. I will try and get along if I can, it would be great to get involved. I'll post an update once I've implemented your suggestions. Nick From: Rob Nickerson Sent: 09 June 2018 14:46:44 To: Talk-GB; Nick Whitelegg Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] MapThePaths - new site focusing on OSM UK footpath mapping Hi Nick, I like this. Spent some time last night adding designations to existing OSM paths using one of the OGL datasets. A couple of questions: 1. Do you have a combined ROW dataset (bringing all the rowmaps files together)? If so could you host this somewhere. 2. Is it possible to allow one more zoom in on the map. For some very short ROWs it would be good to zoom in and have a closer look. 3. Could you add the GB1900 data as an additional source (the so called 2026 missing paths)? Finally, did you spot my email from Chris that I posted to talk-gb? There is a launch event in London early July if you can make it. Best regards, Rob ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] MapThePaths - new site focusing on OSM UK footpath mapping
Hello Rob and Adam, Glad you find it useful! To answer your points: Firstly a higher zoom level should be easily possible - the tiles are only stored on the server at one zoom level (insufficient disc space to deal with more) but higher zoom level tiles could easily be dynamically generated on the server on demand with PHP. I don't have a combined file of all the council data, though I think I could probably produce one if necessary. However I have a web API to retrieve council (and OSM) data via bounding box: www.mapthepaths.org.uk/row.php?bbox=west,south,east,north=L<http://www.mapthepaths.org.uk/row.php?bbox=west,south,east,north=L> (where L is either osm or council) Note that requesting a very large bounding box is likely to cause server problems - this is untested. I could add the 1900 data, yes. I'll look into the excluded unitary authorities - yes I would have skipped over Bradford and Blackburn as they sounded very urban! Some UAs are not available on rowmaps - Conwy springs to mind. In terms of the editing functionality (when implemented), I won't allow users to delete any existing tags. It will be more a case of a very simplistic interface allowing users to add designation and prow_ref tags where these are not present. Rob - yes I saw that email. I will try and get along if I can, it would be great to get involved. I'll post an update once I've implemented your suggestions. Nick From: Rob Nickerson Sent: 09 June 2018 14:46:44 To: Talk-GB; Nick Whitelegg Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] MapThePaths - new site focusing on OSM UK footpath mapping Hi Nick, I like this. Spent some time last night adding designations to existing OSM paths using one of the OGL datasets. A couple of questions: 1. Do you have a combined ROW dataset (bringing all the rowmaps files together)? If so could you host this somewhere. 2. Is it possible to allow one more zoom in on the map. For some very short ROWs it would be good to zoom in and have a closer look. 3. Could you add the GB1900 data as an additional source (the so called 2026 missing paths)? Finally, did you spot my email from Chris that I posted to talk-gb? There is a launch event in London early July if you can make it. Best regards, Rob ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] MapThePaths - new site focusing on OSM UK footpath mapping
HI Nick, Great job. It will be a really useful tool :) I echo Rob's request for a higher level of zoom if that is at all possible. I'd also suggest looking at some of the excluded 'urban' areas. Some of the unitary authorities and Metropolitan Boroughs (particularly in Pennine England) are more rural than you might imagine. For example Blackburn with Darwen covers much of the popular walking area of the West Pennine Moors, whilst the windswept moors of Wuthering Heights fall into the urban-sounding Metropolitan Borough of Bradford! It's great that we have this resource to add designation tags but just one warning based upon something I saw a new mapper near me do a couple of years ago. Please do not add negative access tags or delete existing access tags based on the recorded status of these paths. The recording on the definitive map of a public footpath means foot=designated, it explicitly does not mean bicycle=no, horse=no etc. There may be unrecorded rights, locals may customarily use the routes on horse or bike, there may be explicit permissive access, or a formal Cycle Track Order may have been made. We are not able to judge any of this from the PRoW datasets. Kind regards, Adam On 9 June 2018 at 14:46, Rob Nickerson wrote: > Hi Nick, > > I like this. Spent some time last night adding designations to existing > OSM paths using one of the OGL datasets. > > A couple of questions: > >1. Do you have a combined ROW dataset (bringing all the rowmaps files >together)? If so could you host this somewhere. >2. Is it possible to allow one more zoom in on the map. For some very >short ROWs it would be good to zoom in and have a closer look. >3. Could you add the GB1900 data as an additional source (the so >called 2026 missing paths)? > > Finally, did you spot my email from Chris that I posted to talk-gb? There > is a launch event in London early July if you can make it. > > Best regards, > *Rob* > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] MapThePaths - new site focusing on OSM UK footpath mapping
Hi Nick, I like this. Spent some time last night adding designations to existing OSM paths using one of the OGL datasets. A couple of questions: 1. Do you have a combined ROW dataset (bringing all the rowmaps files together)? If so could you host this somewhere. 2. Is it possible to allow one more zoom in on the map. For some very short ROWs it would be good to zoom in and have a closer look. 3. Could you add the GB1900 data as an additional source (the so called 2026 missing paths)? Finally, did you spot my email from Chris that I posted to talk-gb? There is a launch event in London early July if you can make it. Best regards, *Rob* ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] MapThePaths - new site focusing on OSM UK footpath mapping
Quick update: most of Wales now added. Also I have made one or two changes to the JavaScript code so please do Ctrl-F5 if you want to reload the site, otherwise the browser may use old code and it may not work. Apologies for the top posting by the way, it's an unfortunate limitation of this email client. Nick From: Nick Whitelegg Sent: 08 June 2018 15:04:15 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] MapThePaths - new site focusing on OSM UK footpath mapping Hello everyone, Following on from the recent discussions regarding rights of way and the licensing of council data, I would like to announce that the initial - and very much prototype - version of 'MapThePaths' is now available. http://www.mapthepaths.org.uk/ This site aims to be a platform to help map, and correctly tag, rights of way (and other walkable paths) in England and Wales. Currently it is a viewer only, it does not yet offer editing facilities, and covers rural areas of England only for now (former metropolitan counties and urban unitary authorities have been largely excluded to minimise demands on the server). It shows council rights of way (thanks to Barry Cornelius and rowmaps for this) superimposed on OSM paths (ways where highway=footway,path,bridleway,track,steps,cycleway or service). Both council data and OSM data is coloured by designation. OSM paths with no designation are shown as grey dashed lines. You can click on the council paths (which are wider, transparent lines) to get the licensing status (is the data OGL?) - thanks to Robert Whittaker for this. It uses various ECMAScript 6 features so needs an up-to-date browser (something from about the last two to three years, and not IE). Future plans will include limited editing: in OGL areas only (this will be auto-detected, registered OSM users will be able to add designation and prow_ref to OSM ways without these tags). It is also planned to allow users to easily find areas where there are large numbers of unmapped or untagged paths, and to allow non-expert users to leave notes (e.g. 'this is a permissive pat', 'footpath runs along left side of hedge') which can then be used by expert mappers. At the moment, to minimise server constraints, OS VectorMap District has been used as the base layer. It's possible that this will be replaced by a Mapnik render if possible - the underlying database at the moment is MongoDB basically because it works very nicely with GeoJSON and can do geospatial queries. It would also be good (as previously discussed) to allow an out-of-copyright OS map base layer - the project could also be used to help identify lost rights of way for 2026. A companion Android app for in-the-field use will also begin development very soon. Any other suggestions for features, or any suggestions for improvements on the colour scheme would be welcome. Source code is on gitlab: https://gitlab.com/nickw1/mapthepaths Nick ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] MapThePaths - new site focusing on OSM UK footpath mapping
Hello everyone, Following on from the recent discussions regarding rights of way and the licensing of council data, I would like to announce that the initial - and very much prototype - version of 'MapThePaths' is now available. http://www.mapthepaths.org.uk/ This site aims to be a platform to help map, and correctly tag, rights of way (and other walkable paths) in England and Wales. Currently it is a viewer only, it does not yet offer editing facilities, and covers rural areas of England only for now (former metropolitan counties and urban unitary authorities have been largely excluded to minimise demands on the server). It shows council rights of way (thanks to Barry Cornelius and rowmaps for this) superimposed on OSM paths (ways where highway=footway,path,bridleway,track,steps,cycleway or service). Both council data and OSM data is coloured by designation. OSM paths with no designation are shown as grey dashed lines. You can click on the council paths (which are wider, transparent lines) to get the licensing status (is the data OGL?) - thanks to Robert Whittaker for this. It uses various ECMAScript 6 features so needs an up-to-date browser (something from about the last two to three years, and not IE). Future plans will include limited editing: in OGL areas only (this will be auto-detected, registered OSM users will be able to add designation and prow_ref to OSM ways without these tags). It is also planned to allow users to easily find areas where there are large numbers of unmapped or untagged paths, and to allow non-expert users to leave notes (e.g. 'this is a permissive pat', 'footpath runs along left side of hedge') which can then be used by expert mappers. At the moment, to minimise server constraints, OS VectorMap District has been used as the base layer. It's possible that this will be replaced by a Mapnik render if possible - the underlying database at the moment is MongoDB basically because it works very nicely with GeoJSON and can do geospatial queries. It would also be good (as previously discussed) to allow an out-of-copyright OS map base layer - the project could also be used to help identify lost rights of way for 2026. A companion Android app for in-the-field use will also begin development very soon. Any other suggestions for features, or any suggestions for improvements on the colour scheme would be welcome. Source code is on gitlab: https://gitlab.com/nickw1/mapthepaths Nick ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
