Re: [Talk-GB] Lloyds TSB
On 02/10/14 09:30, Ed Loach wrote: It has been over a year now since I first mentioned http://www.loach.me.uk/osm/LloydsTSB/ here, and there are still lots of branches that haven't been remapped, so I thought I'd mention it again. The basic problem you have is that there are a lot more people interested in first time mapping of high streets than there are those interested in maintaining them. In my view, high street churn is so high that if you don't re-survey at least every two to three months there will be a lot more wrong than just the name of one bank. I'd suggest that the median time to repair for a high street feature is similar to the average time to first mapping, i.e. somewhat over five years. That is especially true if the repair doesn't happen within the first couple of months, i.e. no-one has taken on maintenance responsibility. Also people will map and maintain a local high street, then move to a different area. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Lloyds TSB
Use of the Notes feature is good for this sort of thing. If someone flags a known change, even if it's just one unit in a retail centre, it’s a good prompt for a local mapper to going around and update all the unit changes. I agree with you that retail change is rapid and even 2 to 3 months is sometimes too long to catch substantial changes. I've got shops in the centre of Sutton Coldfield that have change use 3 time in the last few years. Post offices are one aspect that is still changing regularly with many offices closing and moving inside convenience stores, supermarkets and other retail units. This week I've had to move the Sutton Coldfield postoffice and its internal post box from its original home a few doors down to WH Smith. Just google post office relocation and similar and you will see the extent of the changes PO countrywide. This is the list of those that have already or are due to move to a local WH Smiths: Boston, Cannock, Carmarthen, Hastings, Kidderminster, Kings Heath, Perth, Southport, Stockton on Tees, Sutton Coldfield, Swiss Cottage, Telford, Uckfield, Wallington, West Wickham, Witney Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: David Woolley [mailto:for...@david-woolley.me.uk] Sent: 03 October 2014 09:41 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Lloyds TSB On 02/10/14 09:30, Ed Loach wrote: It has been over a year now since I first mentioned http://www.loach.me.uk/osm/LloydsTSB/ here, and there are still lots of branches that haven't been remapped, so I thought I'd mention it again. The basic problem you have is that there are a lot more people interested in first time mapping of high streets than there are those interested in maintaining them. In my view, high street churn is so high that if you don't re-survey at least every two to three months there will be a lot more wrong than just the name of one bank. I'd suggest that the median time to repair for a high street feature is similar to the average time to first mapping, i.e. somewhat over five years. That is especially true if the repair doesn't happen within the first couple of months, i.e. no-one has taken on maintenance responsibility. Also people will map and maintain a local high street, then move to a different area. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Lloyds TSB
On 03/10/14 12:29, Andy Robinson wrote: Use of the Notes feature is good for this sort of thing. Notes can also create maintenance problems as businesses requesting vanity entries never generate a note when they go away. Not mapping such notes results in the map getting cluttered with such notes. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Lloyds TSB
On 03/10/2014 09:40, David Woolley wrote: The basic problem you have is that there are a lot more people interested in first time mapping of high streets than there are those interested in maintaining them. I agree about the rapid turnover of high streets, but in this case I think it's due to so few people using them. Most activity is now performed online. The only time I've gone into a bank in the last few was to criticise someone face to face. DaveF --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Lloyds TSB
Thanks for the reminder, I’ve updated one in Ipswich based on Mapillary images I took recently. Still need to get a bit more coverage to get the other one that still needs to be done. Shaun On 2 Oct 2014, at 09:30, Ed Loach edlo...@gmail.com wrote: It has been over a year now since I first mentioned http://www.loach.me.uk/osm/LloydsTSB/ here, and there are still lots of branches that haven't been remapped, so I thought I'd mention it again. Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Lloyds TSB
Matt wrote: This looks really useful, thanks. It might also be worth checking the 'operator' tag as well as many banks have that tagged rather (or maybe as well as) than the name All suggestions greatfully received. If you refresh now, an operator starting Lloyds TSB will trump whatever is in the name field (as this is for remapping). Other operator values are ignored still. If you click on an icon the name value is in quotes and the operator in brackets (so you might have 'Lloyds Lloyds (Lloyds TSB)' if the name has been updated but not the operator - that first Lloyds I should probably lose as it is a hangover from when the page I used as a source showed hotel or whatever as the type before the name, whereas my types are based on the name so tend to match). Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Lloyds TSB
On 4 October 2013 09:42, Ed Loach edlo...@gmail.com wrote: As you might all know, Lloyds TSB split to become Lloyds Bank and TSB a couple of weeks ago. To help find those that still need remapping I had a quick play and came up with http://www.loach.me.uk/osm/LloydsTSB/ I've not added a key, but used logos I found off the internet (with a bit of a disclaimer about them in the about page). The horse with the green/blue background is the old Lloyds TSB logo we want to clear. Hopefully it helps someone. It is using the name value (starting with Lloyds TSB, or Lloyds Bank, or exact match on Lloyds or TSB). This looks really useful, thanks. It might also be worth checking the 'operator' tag as well as many banks have that tagged rather (or maybe as well as) than the name http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=bank#combinations Matt ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Lloyds TSB
Dan wrote: Handy tool, thanks. It might be good to limit it to items tagged amenity=bank and amenity=atm though, as I've spotted some Lloyds pharmacies showing up here in southeast London as well as the banks. I could, but it is only showing those as Pharmacy is missing out of the name field (if they are the same as the two in Clacton, such as http://goo.gl/maps/N9wjf ), so perhaps I should just add a different icon for amenity=pharmacy? I'll do that for now as it is probably quickest. Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Lloyds TSB
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 12:28:36PM +0100, Dan Karran wrote: Handy tool, thanks. It might be good to limit it to items tagged amenity=bank and amenity=atm though, as I've spotted some Lloyds pharmacies showing up here in southeast London as well as the banks. Although, at the moment it also picks up Office buildings, which is useful as presumably these will need to be renamed to one or the other (in Edinburgh there are 4 of these), planning on checking out one of these on my way home. Cheers Chris On 4 October 2013 11:01, Ed Loach edlo...@gmail.com wrote: Matt wrote: This looks really useful, thanks. It might also be worth checking the 'operator' tag as well as many banks have that tagged rather (or maybe as well as) than the name All suggestions greatfully received. If you refresh now, an operator starting Lloyds TSB will trump whatever is in the name field (as this is for remapping). Other operator values are ignored still. If you click on an icon the name value is in quotes and the operator in brackets (so you might have 'Lloyds Lloyds (Lloyds TSB)' if the name has been updated but not the operator - that first Lloyds I should probably lose as it is a hangover from when the page I used as a source showed hotel or whatever as the type before the name, whereas my types are based on the name so tend to match). Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- e: m...@chrisfleming.org m: 07980 214061 w: http://chrisfleming.org/ t: @chrisfl ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
