Re: [Talk-us] Cooper Country State Forest in Keweenaw County, MI [parcel ownership]

2020-09-03 Thread Frederik Ramm 
Thanks all,

I've made the change on OSM and informed the complainant.

Bye
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Re: [Talk-us] Cooper Country State Forest in Keweenaw County, MI [parcel ownership]

2020-09-02 Thread Kevin Kenny 
On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 5:34 PM Doug Peterson <
dougpeter...@dpeters2.dyndns.org> wrote:

> That is made up of two properties. The southern, larger square is owned by
> Thomas & Jane Griffith. The northern, smaller square is owned by the John &
> Jane Griffith. The other square to the west of that, not included, is owned
> by John & Jane Griffith. That is just ownership. That does not say whether
> is any sort of "easement" (possibly the wrong choice of word) that could
> cause it to be included.
>
> This can be referenced from Landgrid.
>
>
> https://landgrid.com/us/mi/keweenaw/allouez#b=none=property=/us/mi/keweenaw/27
>
>
> https://landgrid.com/us/mi/keweenaw/allouez#b=none=property=/us/mi/keweenaw/15
>
>
Since it's showing up there, and it isn't showing up in the DNR Parcels
data set (which shows conservation easements as well as land owned in fee
simple), we have two confirmations that it's indeed private.
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Re: [Talk-us] Cooper Country State Forest in Keweenaw County, MI [parcel ownership]

2020-09-02 Thread Doug Peterson 
That is made up of two properties. The southern, larger square is owned by 
Thomas & Jane Griffith. The northern, smaller square is owned by the John & 
Jane Griffith. The other square to the west of that, not included, is owned by 
John & Jane Griffith. That is just ownership. That does not say whether is any 
sort of "easement" (possibly the wrong choice of word) that could cause it to 
be included.

This can be referenced from Landgrid.

https://landgrid.com/us/mi/keweenaw/allouez#b=none=property=/us/mi/keweenaw/27

https://landgrid.com/us/mi/keweenaw/allouez#b=none=property=/us/mi/keweenaw/15


Thank you,

Doug Peterson

talk-us-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote ..
> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 19:26:20 +0200
> From: Frederik Ramm 
> To: "talk-us@openstreetmap.org Openstreetmap"
>   
> Subject: [Talk-us] Cooper Country State Forest in Keweenaw County, MI
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>
> Hi,
>
> the DWG has been asked to remove this bit of land
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/146418027#map=13/47.3306/-88.4441
>
> from the "Cooper Country State Forest" protected area since it has been
> purchased from the state by private individuals in 2006 and "the recent
> plat books show this".
>
> I have been unable to find an online resource to corroborate this claim.
> Googling for "plat books" turned up some very pretty scans of 1800's
> surveyor records ;) Perhaps someone more knowledgeable in the US public
> records landscape can help?
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Cooper Country State Forest in Keweenaw County, MI

2020-09-02 Thread Karson Sommer 
https://mgis.coleman-engineering.com/web/ shows the parcel in question
being privately owned.

On Wed, Sep 2, 2020, 12:27 PM Frederik Ramm  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> the DWG has been asked to remove this bit of land
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/146418027#map=13/47.3306/-88.4441
>
> from the "Cooper Country State Forest" protected area since it has been
> purchased from the state by private individuals in 2006 and "the recent
> plat books show this".
>
> I have been unable to find an online resource to corroborate this claim.
> Googling for "plat books" turned up some very pretty scans of 1800's
> surveyor records ;) Perhaps someone more knowledgeable in the US public
> records landscape can help?
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Cooper Country State Forest in Keweenaw County, MI

2020-09-02 Thread Frederik Ramm 
Correct, sorry, my mistake!

On 9/2/20 20:02, Kerry Irons wrote:
> It's Copper Country, not Cooper Country. 
> 
> Kerry Irons 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2020, 1:55 PM Kevin Kenny  > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 1:47 PM Joseph Eisenberg
> mailto:joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> My goodness, look at that monstrosity:
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1976405#map=8/46.459/-87.627
> 
> How can we claim that all of these patches of state-owned land
> constitute a single OpenStreetMap feature?
> 
> 
> Because they share a name, share a management plan, are managed as a
> whole, are signed alike, enjoy the same protection status, and are
> popularly thought of as a unit.
> 
> The US has some untidy and diffuse features. Some of those untidy
> and diffuse features are important to those who live around them,
> earn their livings by them, or recreate in them. Don't demand that
> we refrain from mapping them because they fail to conform with your
> mental model of the world as it ought to be. It comes across as
> saying, "My model is fine, fix your country!" I can't fix it, in any
> reasonable timeframe at least. I'm constrained to mapping the
> country I have.
> 
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Re: [Talk-us] Cooper Country State Forest in Keweenaw County, MI

2020-09-02 Thread Kerry Irons 
It's Copper Country, not Cooper Country.

Kerry Irons

On Wed, Sep 2, 2020, 1:55 PM Kevin Kenny  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 1:47 PM Joseph Eisenberg <
> joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My goodness, look at that monstrosity:
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1976405#map=8/46.459/-87.627
>>
>> How can we claim that all of these patches of state-owned land constitute
>> a single OpenStreetMap feature?
>>
>
> Because they share a name, share a management plan, are managed as a
> whole, are signed alike, enjoy the same protection status, and are
> popularly thought of as a unit.
>
> The US has some untidy and diffuse features. Some of those untidy and
> diffuse features are important to those who live around them, earn their
> livings by them, or recreate in them. Don't demand that we refrain from
> mapping them because they fail to conform with your mental model of the
> world as it ought to be. It comes across as saying, "My model is fine, fix
> your country!" I can't fix it, in any reasonable timeframe at least. I'm
> constrained to mapping the country I have.
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Cooper Country State Forest in Keweenaw County, MI

2020-09-02 Thread Kevin Kenny 
On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 1:47 PM Joseph Eisenberg 
wrote:

> My goodness, look at that monstrosity:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1976405#map=8/46.459/-87.627
>
> How can we claim that all of these patches of state-owned land constitute
> a single OpenStreetMap feature?
>

Because they share a name, share a management plan, are managed as a whole,
are signed alike, enjoy the same protection status, and are popularly
thought of as a unit.

The US has some untidy and diffuse features. Some of those untidy and
diffuse features are important to those who live around them, earn their
livings by them, or recreate in them. Don't demand that we refrain from
mapping them because they fail to conform with your mental model of the
world as it ought to be. It comes across as saying, "My model is fine, fix
your country!" I can't fix it, in any reasonable timeframe at least. I'm
constrained to mapping the country I have.

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Re: [Talk-us] Cooper Country State Forest in Keweenaw County, MI

2020-09-02 Thread Joseph Eisenberg 
My goodness, look at that monstrosity:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1976405#map=8/46.459/-87.627

How can we claim that all of these patches of state-owned land constitute a
single OpenStreetMap feature?

-- Joseph Eisenberg

On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 10:27 AM Frederik Ramm  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> the DWG has been asked to remove this bit of land
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/146418027#map=13/47.3306/-88.4441
>
> from the "Cooper Country State Forest" protected area since it has been
> purchased from the state by private individuals in 2006 and "the recent
> plat books show this".
>
> I have been unable to find an online resource to corroborate this claim.
> Googling for "plat books" turned up some very pretty scans of 1800's
> surveyor records ;) Perhaps someone more knowledgeable in the US public
> records landscape can help?
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
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[Talk-us] Cooper Country State Forest in Keweenaw County, MI

2020-09-02 Thread Frederik Ramm 
Hi,

the DWG has been asked to remove this bit of land

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/146418027#map=13/47.3306/-88.4441

from the "Cooper Country State Forest" protected area since it has been
purchased from the state by private individuals in 2006 and "the recent
plat books show this".

I have been unable to find an online resource to corroborate this claim.
Googling for "plat books" turned up some very pretty scans of 1800's
surveyor records ;) Perhaps someone more knowledgeable in the US public
records landscape can help?

Bye
Frederik

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