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Paul Van Noord wrote: AS A little cheap for a retort, don't you think? No. Rude, foul-mouthed posts accomplish nothing and deserve a response that might get the attention of the perpetrator. Sorry to dissapoint you, but the answer was not rude att all. It was reality. And I agree with Vilius every word. One think I didn't know that IMAP problem was so old. And it is very shame that Rit programmers were not able to fix this problem till now. AS I couldn't agree more with him. RIT has let down users of TheBat big AS time, and no amount of unquestioning applauding by RIT-yes-men will AS be able to cover this. Maybe you and he can start your own forum. Maybe you could leave this forum with your unilateral thoughts? Current beta is 4.0.24.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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am Donnerstag, 15. Mai 2008 um 17:53 schrieb vitalie vrabie: just yet another sucker's choice of them. I am feeling disturbed by this kind of discussion, could this maybe please end up in a very short way? whichever, i don't care. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Jens Franik mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.0.24.10 Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 4.0.24.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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am Dienstag, 13. Mai 2008 um 22:51 schrieb Bob Riley: I don't think that quick, smart-a__ criticisms of Rit Labs help anyone. It is an unconstructive way of dealing with your own frustrations, I believe. It would be better to go on a long walk in the woods or something. So do I. Sure, the way the do it is something different of what we would do it, but it is their business, so they should be able to do it. I highly point out, that this list(s) are here and that Ritlabs is willing to talk to us and hear what would be important to us. Time is big enemy to all developers :-) -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Jens Franik mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.0.24.9 Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 4.0.24.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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am Mittwoch, 14. Mai 2008 um 09:42 schrieb Marck D Pearlstone: So do I. FYI, Vitalie is no longer a member here. Life is too short, so let's discuss it no further. ;-) I already decided not to continue the Thread after my post. Life is too short, and i am willing to survive here ;-) -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Jens Franik mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.0.24.9 Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 4.0.24.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Bob, I don't think that quick, smart-a__ criticisms of Rit Labs help anyone. [...] It would be better to go on a long walk in the woods or something. Do you think that would get us working IMAP? Heaven knows we've tried everything else. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Alto Speckhardt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpMR5rPviOxt.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.24.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi, it ain't ritlabs that needs it. rather, the users need it. ... and does RIT need users? and, management being a SERVICE, question is - who is ready to pay for it? I certainly would. What do I care whether TheBat costs 30 or 50 E, but I want apropriate value for it. I haven't seen such since v1.62. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Alto Speckhardt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpWUigVv6EZW.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.24.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Paul, Do yourself, the list and Ritlabs a favor and find another forum to lurk in. A little cheap for a retort, don't you think? Every single point Vilius made in his post is backed by fact and so is every bit of frustration that may be read both in and between the lines. I couldn't agree more with him. RIT has let down users of TheBat big time, and no amount of unquestioning applauding by RIT-yes-men will be able to cover this. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Alto Speckhardt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpbcZTkh77Ic.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.24.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Dear Vilius, @14-May-2008, 18:02 +0300 (14-May 16:02 here) Vilius Šumskas [V] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: ... snip AS be able to cover this. Maybe you and he can start your own forum. V I think this is not for you to decide. My message was to RitLabs, .. Then it should be sent to RITlabs. Not here. V They own the list No, they don't. Some RITlabs programmers are list members. The list is officially sanctioned by them. But they do not own it. This is a public peer user list owned by Johannes Posel and myself, moderated by Roelof and myself and traumatised by a bunch of users in various states of pleasure and displeasure! There are list rules for good reason. One person got banned today. I'm in a bad mood. Don't tempt me!! ;-) V and only they (or their trusted moderators) can tell me when and V what to post or not. ... and what does your conscience tell you about the way you should express your in a public forum of peers? Things go a lot smoother here if we speak to each other how we would like to be spoken to ourselves. ... snip V Now I'm trying to get the message by talking directly to their V developers in this list. While they may or may not read you here, they are not duty bound to since, as I just explained, it's not their list. V Basically I'm trying _everything_ like they in Russia say: Metodom V naucnava tyka. Can't blame a guy for trying! V If none of this is appropriate then RitLabs should tell us what way V they prefer, because I don't see any other way? BugTraq entries with good detail and requests to this list for confirmation. And prayer, maybe? -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.24.10 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpEXIsXD2zMm.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.24.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Paul, Maybe you and he can start your own forum. Don't forget that neither of us is here to please RIT, and that does (if not, it ought to) include you. This is not a fanclub. We are here solely because RIT failed to live up to its promises and does not show any indications on changing this behaviour in the futere. Do not confuse the guilty party here. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Alto Speckhardt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpgV6c9dAH8D.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.24.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Dear Rimvydas, -- Montag, 12. Mai 2008, 17:54:50: I don't know whats so funny with that. Agreed! The Bat! has the bugs in there I paid the money for it and naturally I want them fixed. Look at it from the positive side. - You buy a product 'X' with 'no bug' for 'XY $'. - Now you buy TB! with all the features as product 'X' 'With the bug' for the same amount. That is what I call 'added value' ;) That's why I stay with TB! -- best regards | Using The Bat! 3.95.6 www.EddieCastelli.com | on Windows 2000 5.0 Eddie | Build 2195 Service Pack 4 on Tour | Current beta is 4.0.24.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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AS I couldn't agree more with him. RIT has let down users of TheBat big AS time, and no amount of unquestioning applauding by RIT-yes-men will AS be able to cover this. Maybe you and he can start your own forum. Spelling Lesson: D-E-A-D H-O-R-S-E although that is just a private opinion -- Rick GOP stands for Greed Over People v4.0.24.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.24.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Carsten, On 13-05-2008 17:12, you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's really frustrating seeing minor bugs being solved or new features being implemented while facing these serious issues for every new mail. Agreed. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 4.0.20.4 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. 12 IMAP (Courier) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 1 POP3 MyGate, 300K+ msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is 4.0.24.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Carsten Guthardt-Schulz wrote: I think the counters are the main problem with IMAP. There are others, too, but the counters drive people mad. We are faced with this bug for every new email that arrives! (emails not recognized as been read, animated icon, etc.). Stefan or Maxim, could you please let us know what will happen with this. Will this be looked at in the near future? It's really frustrating seeing minor bugs being solved or new features being implemented while facing these serious issues for every new mail. Carsten, so nice to see that I'm not the only one with this bug. In general this particular bug still keeps me on thunderbird. I think that our responses to new betas released could be: Up and running but IMAP counters are still not fixed:) Current beta is 4.0.24.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Tuesday, May 13, 2008, 12:16:07 AM, you wrote: Vilius Šumskas wrote: I'm wondering where their management is looking? yikes! what's that? Do they even have any? i concur to this question. That explains everything. -- Best regards, Vilius Current beta is 4.0.24.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Vilius Šumskas wrote: That explains everything. not really. from how i remember the guys in older times, they were the team that doesn't quite need management. -- Signed, Vitalie. http://vv.labordei.com Current beta is 4.0.24.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Vilius Šumskas wrote: That explains everything. not really. from how i remember the guys in older times, they were the team that doesn't quite need management. I am a bit curious. What's the point of this? They are constantly fixing things but in one area of the program at a time, which isn't always MY personal choice for fixes and wishes but they ARE working and making progress. -- Rick Republican Tax Cuts for the wealthy Look where it has got us so far! Lets do it some more! v4.0.24.9 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.24.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Rick wrote: They are constantly fixing things but in one area of the program at a time, which isn't always MY personal choice for fixes and wishes but they ARE working and making progress. sure they are fixing. but this IMAP counters topic comes up again and again. sort of like people want synchronous counters on an asynchronous imap client implementation and don't quite figure that out for years. -- Signed, Vitalie. http://vv.labordei.com Current beta is 4.0.24.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Rick wrote: I am a bit curious. What's the point of this? i think, point is, to make clear once and for good who exactly need management at Ritlabs. it ain't ritlabs that needs it. rather, the users need it. and, management being a SERVICE, question is - who is ready to pay for it? -- Signed, Vitalie. http://vv.labordei.com Current beta is 4.0.24.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Bob Riley wrote: I don't think that quick, smart-a__ criticisms of Rit Labs help anyone. absolutely! out of all these people that are constantly nagging to one deficiency or another, who is really ready to work for ritlabs and provide a fix? not as a permanent job, cuz the software is not sold as a service. just fix it (and, of course, not break everything around), get the one-time payment, then go on. anyone? -- Signed, Vitalie. http://vv.labordei.com Current beta is 4.0.24.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Goncalo Farias wrote: The programmers at RitLabs are very sensitive people and could reply something like this (mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) to you. being sensitive is totally different from being selfish. and the tagline of that mid explains it pretty well. -- Signed, Vitalie. http://vv.labordei.com Current beta is 4.0.24.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Guten Tag Rimvydas Zilinskas, am Sonntag, 11. Mai 2008 um 07:42 schrieben Sie: Guys, So many betas are being released:) Is it possible to start fixing inaccurate messages count on IMAP folders? I think that it is very important feature for a lot of The Bat! users. Current beta is 4.0.24.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html ...and while your at it - fix the whole of IMAP! -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Christian Grams Current beta is 4.0.24.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Christian Grams wrote: ...and while your at it - fix the whole of IMAP! sounds like please fix the misplaced label in XYZ dialog og thebat. and while you're at it - fix the whole thebat :) Current beta is 4.0.24.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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I don't know whats so funny with that. The Bat! has the bugs in there I paid the money for it and naturally I want them fixed. vitalie brabie wrote: Christian Grams wrote: ...and while your at it - fix the whole of IMAP! sounds like please fix the misplaced label in XYZ dialog og thebat. and while you're at it - fix the whole thebat :) Current beta is 4.0.24.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Dear Rimvydas, @12-May-2008, 18:54 +0300 (12-May 16:54 here) Rimvydas Zilinskas [RZ] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: ... snip ...and while your at it - fix the whole of IMAP! sounds like please fix the misplaced label in XYZ dialog og thebat. and while you're at it - fix the whole thebat :) RZ I don't know whats so funny with that. The Bat! has the bugs in there I RZ paid the money for it and naturally I want them fixed. I think Vitalie is implying that for a bug to be fixed, RITlabs need specifics - description, instructions to replicate, etc. A demand to fix the whole of IMAP! is not very constructive. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.24.8 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpEAgGhsQXcM.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.24.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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I think that Ritlab guys know very well where are the problems. Even their support admitted this. --- We have to admit The Bat! has got some inaccuracy in the IMAP counters and it's not that easy to fix. Anyway, we intend to completely rework IMAP support in future and we are sre it will be quite a different story. --- :) Marck D Pearlstone wrote: I think Vitalie is implying that for a bug to be fixed, RITlabs need specifics - description, instructions to replicate, etc. A demand to fix the whole of IMAP! is not very constructive. Current beta is 4.0.24.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Rimvydas Zilinskas wrote: I don't know whats so funny with that. The Bat! has the bugs in there I paid the money for it and naturally I want them fixed. you were given some time to decide whether to pay or not to pay. i think that's fair. Current beta is 4.0.24.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Do not understand this as a complaint. Its only strong wish:) I want to move completely from thunderbird. And I'm The Bat! user since 1.xx times so I know this client very well and like it so much. But this inaccuracy drives me mad:( you were given some time to decide whether to pay or not to pay. i think that's fair. Current beta is 4.0.24.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Rimvydas Zilinskas wrote: I think that Ritlab guys know very well where are the problems. Even their support admitted this. their support has absolutely no word over development. their programmers completely ignore what support says (you need it, you do it), then leave the company for a better salary. -- Signed, Vitalie. http://vv.labordei.com Current beta is 4.0.24.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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vitalie vrabie wrote: I think that Ritlab guys know very well where are the problems. Even their support admitted this. their support has absolutely no word over development. their programmers completely ignore what support says (you need it, you do it), then leave the company for a better salary. ...and the problem is PRECISELY there. IMAP isn't alone. HTML Templates are part of the same story. they were promised 3 years ago, classified as easy to implement by the respective developer, then labeled nobody really needs that BY THE SAME DEVELOPER, and telling you need it, you do it to the support personnel when he was given examples of people that DO need that. that's a different developer from who was responsible for IMAP, but that's exactly the person that serves as an example for others of how to stay in the company for a long time and do something productive only once in about 5 years. -- Signed, Vitalie. http://vv.labordei.com Current beta is 4.0.24.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Rimvydas Zilinskas wrote: Do not understand this as a complaint. Its only strong wish:) I want to move completely from thunderbird. And I'm The Bat! user since 1.xx times so I know this client very well and like it so much. But this inaccuracy drives me mad:( that means you guys deserve each other. -- Signed, Vitalie. http://vv.labordei.com Current beta is 4.0.24.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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vitalie vrabie [EMAIL PROTECTED] rašė: vitalie vrabie wrote: I think that Ritlab guys know very well where are the problems. Even their support admitted this. their support has absolutely no word over development. their programmers completely ignore what support says (you need it, you do it), then leave the company for a better salary. ...and the problem is PRECISELY there. IMAP isn't alone. HTML Templates are part of the same story. they were promised 3 years ago, classified as easy to implement by the respective developer, then labeled nobody really needs that BY THE SAME DEVELOPER, and telling you need it, you do it to the support personnel when he was given examples of people that DO need that. that's a different developer from who was responsible for IMAP, but that's exactly the person that serves as an example for others of how to stay in the company for a long time and do something productive only once in about 5 years. I'm wondering where their management is looking? Do they even have any? -- Best Regards, Vilius Šumskas LNK TV IT manager http://www.lnk.lt Current beta is 4.0.24.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Vilius Šumskas wrote: I'm wondering where their management is looking? yikes! what's that? Do they even have any? i concur to this question. -- Signed, Vitalie. http://vv.labordei.com Current beta is 4.0.24.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
