Re: installing 2.11
Hello Luc, On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] L When installing TB! 2.11 it installs in a self created folder ...\The L Bat 2\ No real help but all TB! versions have seen my TB! directory (it's different from the default) without having to change it manually. Yes, you can install over old ones but only as far back as version 2 (I think). ;-) -- Regards, Richard | Using The Bat! 2.11.02 SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
Dear Arjan, @6-Jun-2004, 02:29 +0200 (06-Jun 01:29 UK time) Arjan de Groot [ADG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The compression/purge used to run very slowly for my first account until I repaired it. Now that TB! has thrown away about 3/4 of my inbox in the repair process, the whole compression/purge is a lot more timely. You win some, you lose some. :-( ADG Listen carefully. I will say this only once. ADG TB! Usage Rule Number One: NEVER leave mail in the Inbox. The Inbox ADG is the folder with the most traffic of all, which makes it also the ADG most vulnerable. Use filters to move ALL incoming mail to different ADG folders, even if it doesn't seem necessary. Using the Inbox for ADG storing messages is asking for trouble. Excellent advice! I want to add that aggressive AV software will quarantine the whole inbox if a single infected message appears in it. I will wager that this is the biggest single reason (maybe only reason) for people finding their vast inboxes suddenly empty! -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgpRxcF3i9EP4.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cleaning up replies
Dear Michael, @5-Jun-2004, 19:01 -0700 (06-Jun 03:01 UK time) Michael L. Wilson [MLW] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP How do you mean the links do nothing? ... FTP access is down MDP right now and it might not come back until David E gets back MDP from his hols. ... snip MLW ... I get a blank screen that never shows any data. There is, MLW therefore, no straight link to the library.html you referred MLW to. Also, the How-To page displays nothing, just a blank page. Okay - you're using a locked-down browser. The links should load very large JS driven 3d browse pages. Your browser is not letting you look at them. The links work fine! Just not for you :-(. Try this instead: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/tbfaq_flat.html I may put a link to the flat version on the home page to cover it for anyone who can't get through normally. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgpDFy3VrOcfl.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cleaning up replies
Dear Michael,
@5-Jun-2004, 20:27 -0700 (06-Jun 04:27 UK time) Michael L. Wilson
[MLW] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck:
MDP http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Library.html#quote+extraction is
MDP a good starting point.
MLW Any ideas how to modify this macro to make these lines disappear?
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Yes - my own version is *extensively* modified ;-).
%QUOTES='%SETPATTREGEXP=(?is)%-
((\s*)?\n?-BEGIN PGP SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?%-
(\s*(Dear|Hi|Hello|Hey|Greetings|Howdy) \S*?\s*\n+)?%-
(-+[\S ]+\n)?%-
(.*?)(^(%-
- -*?\s*?--\s*\n|%-
_{40,}\s*\n|%-
-{40,}\s*\n|%-
\n-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE.*s?\n|%-
\n+\s*|%-
--+\s+.*roups.*~--\)|%-
\n\nYour use of|%-
\n+Get your FREE download|%-
\nNote that the email address of the sender has been changed|%-
\n---\nOutgoing mail is certified Virus Free.|%-
\z)%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=%text%SUBPATT=7'
That should do it - stop at any line starting with only '_'
characters. So it should catch your IMON lines too.
--
Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user
TB! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1
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Re: cleaning up replies
Hello! MLW I have installed and am using the clean subject macro from MLW silverstones. I am looking for something that will look at all the MLW quotes text and find yahoo ads at the bottom, nod32 taglines, etc. %SmartQuotes macro will be available in MyMacros 1.11 release in nearest future. It's for cutting greetings and goodbyes with signatures, removing too deep quotes, rearranging empty lines in quotation and some more neat things that you often do yourself :) . It's already being tested, release is expected in few weeks I think. -- Andrew Perevodchik Kiev, Ukraine The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows XP; MyMacros 1.11 beta1 (NOT for distribution) BayesIt! 0.5.5; ajsMacro; MyGate 2.7.0.172 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bat bugs force me to T-Bird
Hi TBUDL listers! I am writing this from my (and Allie Martin's) alternate mailer as TheBat (on my PC) is flightless at present. I have submitted a big report to Ritlabs which in short says that I got database reading error reports ...Attempts to repair the base did not work or resulted in TB (ver 2.11.02 on Win 98) seizing up. Then I resorted to various means to get out of TB, incl ctrl-alt-del...with some restarts of the computer afterwards... Then I did some uninstalls and reinstalls (ver 2.11.02...then ver 2.11)with 'restores' from backup etc etc Then everything seemed OKI ran a full Maintenance routine againsynchronized my IMAP account...wrote and sent off the bug report. and then it started again'error reading database'. 'repair routine' worked this time...Then closed down The Bat...and got the Runtime Error message again on attempted re-start T-Bird is much less capable of course than The Bat...but it is still flying!! :-( -- SteveL - Australia (sig line and sig delimiter manually inserted!) Using T-Bird 0.6 .still flying. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
bayesit and the bat speed/multitasking
Hey tbudl, I've been using The Bat in the past on and off the last couple of years to see when it would get respectable IMAP supportand it seems that has finally arrived with the 2.11 release. So, now I've bought it to support the great software... :) And now onto the questions: BayesIt and Junk mails: I can see that BayesIt has loaded it's files etc. in the Information page of the plugin, but it has not filtered any messages yet - all stats (except the stuff about the base) is all zero's !? Is that intentional ? ;) Is there a way to find out if BayesIt has evaluated a message ? Like show the junk-score in a column or something ? Speed/Multithread: Can it be true that The Bat is waay slower to fetch a message while at the same time checking the state of my folders on my IMAP server ? Neither Thunderbird, Mozilla, Opera M2 nor Outlook Express has so long a waiting period from clicking on a new mail and when it is shown in the preview pane or message dialog?! Is there a enable multithreading of status and mail reading or something that I have overlooked or The Bat just a one job at the time kind of mail reader ? ;) -- Best regards, Max Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Date bug/problem
Hi Bats! Mi Internet Provider send me the spam log file any day. The problem is that the date of this message is always wrong. In the followiong message the date I get in TB message view is 4 January 2022, 6.10 AM -- exemple begin --- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat Jun 5 04:22:14 2004 From: Staff superEva [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Susended mail at 04/06/2004 -- exemple end - How is it possible? A Bug? Bye Jacopo -- __ Jacopo [Italy] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ The Bat! v2.10.01 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html __ Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cleaning up replies
Hello Michael I have modified the QT to get rid of many things, but not matter what I do, I cannot get rid of this line: __ NOD32 1.713 (20040409) Information __ NOD's control centre/IMON/Email Scanning/no notification -- Regards William Flying with The Bat! www.ritlabs.com/the_bat Windows 2000 Pro 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Sunday, June 6, 2004, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Correct, as the smiley-function in TB has nothing to do with the author. It is only and exclusively up to the recipient to decide whether he wants Ascii-smileys replaced by icon-smileys. Even a silly sentence as The dog says grr and the cat meows shouldn't be interpreted as The dog says angry and the cat meows unless _I_ (the sender) mean it to be so. I shouldn't have to think twice when writing it, and the recipient shouldn't have to think twice when reading it either. The smileys have nothing to do with the sender of an email, this is not HTML! You send the email as usual. The receipient, if he uses the RTV in TB, can choose to have the emoticons replace by smileys. It is his choice, and only his. Again: This has *nothing* to do with the sender. This has /everything/ to do with the sender. It his, and only his, responsibility to make sure that the message sent isn't ambiguous. I've shown one way to make it so, another (and IMO a much better approach) would be if there was a standardised header X-Always-Show-Smileys-As-ASCII. You asked me to stop this thread, well I tried to CC to TBOT, but I am not subscribed there under this address. So I'll just hope that anybody that does respond make a CC there. Fair enough? -- Urban Queen Elizabeth was the Virgin Queen. As a queen she was a success. When she exposed herself before her troops they all shouted hurrah. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Date bug/problem
Hello Jacopo, On 6 Jun 2004 at 12:54:45 +0200 GMT [12:54 CEST] you wrote: JO Mi Internet Provider send me the spam log file any day. JO The problem is that the date of this message is always wrong. JO In the followiong message the date I get in TB message view is JO 4 January 2022, 6.10 AM JO -- exemple begin --- JO To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] JO Date: Sat Jun 5 04:22:14 2004 JO From: Staff superEva [EMAIL PROTECTED] JO Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] JO Subject: Susended mail at 04/06/2004 JO -- exemple end - JO How is it possible? A Bug? Yes, but at their end. Acording to RFC the date must be day of week, day month year time timezone In you example it is day of week month day time year How is tb! supposed to get anything useful out of that? -- Cheers, Andre Geh nicht nur die glatten Strassen: geh Wege, die vor Dir noch niemand ging, damit Du Spuren hinterlässt,und nicht nur Staub. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bayesit and the bat speed/multitasking
Hello Max, On 6 Jun 2004 at 12:49:42 +0200 GMT [12:49 CEST] you wrote: MRA BayesIt and Junk mails: MRA I can see that BayesIt has loaded it's files etc. in the Information MRA page of the plugin, but it has not filtered any messages yet - all MRA stats (except the stuff about the base) is all zero's !? MRA Is that intentional ? ;) MRA Is there a way to find out if BayesIt has evaluated a message ? Like MRA show the junk-score in a column or something There are log files in the working directory which show how each mail is evaluated. But the stats should definitely not be all zero. Have you marked mails as junk and not junk? Does this change the values for the bases? -- Cheers, Andre Hard work never killed anyone, but why chance it? Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: installing 2.11
Hello Richard, On 6 Jun 2004 at 08:09:17 +0100 GMT [09:09 CEST] you wrote: RW No real help but all TB! versions have seen my TB! directory (it's RW different from the default) without having to change it manually. Yes, RW you can install over old ones but only as far back as version 2 (I RW think). ;-) I think you can install on top of 1.x, too. That's what I did when I moved to v2. -- Cheers, Andre Das echte Gespräch bedeutet: Aus dem Ich heraustreten und an die Tür des Du klopfen Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Hi Urban, on Sun, 6 Jun 2004 13:20:44 +0200GMT, you wrote: U Sunday, June 6, 2004, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Correct, as the smiley-function in TB has nothing to do with the author. It is only and exclusively up to the recipient to decide whether he wants Ascii-smileys replaced by icon-smileys. U Even a silly sentence as The dog says grr and the cat meows shouldn't U be interpreted as The dog says angry and the cat meows unless _I_ (the U sender) mean it to be so. I shouldn't have to think twice when writing U it, and the recipient shouldn't have to think twice when reading it U either. The smileys have nothing to do with the sender of an email, this is not HTML! You send the email as usual. The receipient, if he uses the RTV in TB, can choose to have the emoticons replace by smileys. It is his choice, and only his. Again: This has *nothing* to do with the sender. U This has /everything/ to do with the sender. It his, and only his, U responsibility to make sure that the message sent isn't ambiguous. Sure. If I type an ASCII smiley, this isn't ambiguous. When some recipients prefer to alter what I sent, there is nothing /I/ can do about it... U I've shown one way to make it so, another (and IMO a much better U approach) would be if there was a standardised header U X-Always-Show-Smileys-As-ASCII. You'll never know which other alterations some recipients' readers will change... U You asked me to stop this thread, well I tried to CC to TBOT, but I am U not subscribed there under this address. So I'll just hope that anybody U that does respond make a CC there. Fair enough? Done. :-) (Pure ASCII smiley - if you see something else, I can't help it...) F'up to TBOT -- Cheers Peter Keyboard not found. Press F1 to continue. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: bayesit and the bat speed/multitasking
Hej Andre, Sunday, June 6, 2004, 1:36:41 PM, skrev du: AW Hello Max, AW On 6 Jun 2004 at 12:49:42 +0200 GMT [12:49 CEST] you wrote: MRA BayesIt and Junk mails: MRA I can see that BayesIt has loaded it's files etc. in the Information MRA page of the plugin, but it has not filtered any messages yet - all MRA stats (except the stuff about the base) is all zero's !? MRA Is that intentional ? ;) MRA Is there a way to find out if BayesIt has evaluated a message ? Like MRA show the junk-score in a column or something AW There are log files in the working directory which show how each mail is AW evaluated. But the stats should definitely not be all zero. Have you AW marked mails as junk and not junk? Does this change the values for the AW bases? The latest log file (which has a timestamp from about the time where I started The Bat) contains the following: 06.06.2004 13:04:55 --- New session log Version of BayesIt!: 0.5.5 06.06.2004 13:04:56 Beginning the loading process of training information. 06.06.2004 13:04:56 Recalculating bases from here: 06.06.2004 13:04:56 C:\Program Files\The Bat!\BayesIt\base\spamdict.bye 06.06.2004 13:04:56 C:\Program Files\The Bat!\BayesIt\base\nspamdict.bye 06.06.2004 13:04:59 Spam frequency dictionary: 06.06.2004 13:04:59 Size: 312 letters. 06.06.2004 13:04:59 Capacity: 25377 words. 06.06.2004 13:04:59 Non-spam frequency dictionary: 06.06.2004 13:04:59 Size: 37 letters. 06.06.2004 13:04:59 Capacity: 3538 words. 06.06.2004 13:04:59 Training information successfully read. And note It is on purpose the .bye files are in c:\program files instead of %APP_DATA%. I've received 10-30 files since the last timestamp above - and can't find any hints on them being processed. Best regards, Max -- Med venlig hilsen, Max mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ACURE A/S, Celluar: 51 56 10 14, Office: 39 11 80 27 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cleaning up replies
Michael L. Wilson, [MLW] wrote: MLW It is, in fact, generated by Nod32's imon. I have adjusted and MLW adjusted and it will not go away. I found a thread on another MLW board that said you had to tweak the registry, but did not tell MLW how. Any ideas? I am using the latest version 2 I've never had a problem with the setup options not working so I can't help you there. Sorry. :( -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.02 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpEvpbxef6u1.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bayesit and the bat speed/multitasking
Max Rydahl Andersen, [MRA] wrote: MRA I've been using The Bat in the past on and off the last couple of MRA years to see when it would get respectable IMAP supportand it MRA seems that has finally arrived with the 2.11 release. MRA So, now I've bought it to support the great software... :) Welcome aboard though I must admit that IMAP still has some problems, one that you've detected below. MRA And now onto the questions: MRA BayesIt and Junk mails: MRA I can see that BayesIt has loaded it's files etc. in the Information MRA page of the plugin, but it has not filtered any messages yet - all MRA stats (except the stuff about the base) is all zero's !? MRA Is that intentional ? ;) Are you using BayesIt with an IMAP account? I don't know if it will work with IMAP accounts. MRA Speed/Multithread: MRA Can it be true that The Bat is waay slower to fetch a message while at MRA the same time checking the state of my folders on my IMAP server ? MRA Neither Thunderbird, Mozilla, Opera M2 nor Outlook Express has so long MRA a waiting period from clicking on a new mail and when it is shown in MRA the preview pane or message dialog?! MRA Is there a enable multithreading of status and mail reading or MRA something that I have overlooked or The Bat just a one job at the MRA time kind of mail reader ? ;) I've been noting this as well and you're right. Currently TB! works with a single IMAP connection and sends/receive requests in series. So if one thing is happening, you have to wait for it to finish before another thing is done. If a folder is being sync'd and you wish to read a message body in another folder, you have to wait until the sync operation is completed before your message body is retrieved. ThunderBird and other clients will simply spawn another IMAP connection and the two requests are dealt with in parallel. To minimize the wait periods, do the following. In the end TB! will sort of behave like ThunderBird. :) - bring up the 'Manage IMAP folders panel'. Set all folders sync setting to 'Don't synchronize'. There may be a couple vital folders you wish to have autosync'd so you may wish to do so. However, try this with all folders set to 'don't synchronize. - open the IMAP account's properties and go to the 'automatically connect to the server' tab. Enable all those triggers. - in the the same IMAP account options go to the 'Options' tab and set your interval for mail checking. - disable the compress on exit function in the IMAP fine tune options for now since this could also bog down your connection. You can make that one of your the first options you re-enable. What you've now done in effect is to make TB! fetch headers and message bodies only when you specifically request. The new message counts will be checked when TB! checks for mail. However, headers will not be downloaded. As a result this check process is quick. When you select a folder, this will trigger a header sync operation. So if you see new messages have arrive for a folder, select it and wait a few moments while the new message headers are downloaded. The folder will change colour to show that it has downloaded new message headers. Select each new message and the message body will be retrieved. How's that? -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.02 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpyvglZYG8k8.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat bugs force me to T-Bird
Sl, [S] wrote: S I am writing this from my (and Allie Martin's) alternate mailer as S TheBat (on my PC) is flightless at present. S I have submitted a big report to Ritlabs which in short says that I got S database reading error reports ...Attempts to repair the base did not S work or resulted in TB (ver 2.11.02 on Win 98) seizing up. Are you using IMAP or POP accounts here? -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.02 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgphNU4AK6g38.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Urban, [U] wrote: U Even a silly sentence as The dog says grr and the cat meows U shouldn't be interpreted as The dog says angry and the cat meows U unless _I_ (the sender) mean it to be so. I agree with this and simply because IMO, an emoticon is being inappropriately triggered. Emoticons should be triggered by text that is not normally used as stand alone text. So in the case above, it would be better if the emoticon were triggered by :grr:. Emoticons should be triggered only by special character sequences and not overlap with commonly emotional words or letter combos we normally use to mimic a sound like Argh!, Aha!, Hahahaha, Gr, B, oh, etc. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.02 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpeCRuXRLbsm.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: bayesit and the bat speed/multitasking
AM Max Rydahl Andersen, [MRA] wrote: MRA I've been using The Bat in the past on and off the last couple of MRA years to see when it would get respectable IMAP supportand it MRA seems that has finally arrived with the 2.11 release. MRA So, now I've bought it to support the great software... :) AM Welcome aboard though I must admit that IMAP still has some problems, AM one that you've detected below. yeah - I'm starting to see the tweaks ... anyone know if these are high-priority for the The Bat team ? ;) (since I wrote the originally mail I've gotten 8 access violation messages - not very asuring ;( ) MRA And now onto the questions: MRA BayesIt and Junk mails: MRA I can see that BayesIt has loaded it's files etc. in the Information MRA page of the plugin, but it has not filtered any messages yet - all MRA stats (except the stuff about the base) is all zero's !? MRA Is that intentional ? ;) AM Are you using BayesIt with an IMAP account? I don't know if it will AM work with IMAP accounts. yes - of course i'm using it with IMAP accounts...nowhere does the bat docs mention that IMAP message source are limited compared to POP. (but I had seen it coming...especially since I've now read 5-10 entries on this mailinglist about limitations/bugs about filtering and IMAPthus I've taken the consequence and started using imapfilter to do that particular task instead...that will also allow me to migrate to another mail client without having to reconfigure filters)..but i still would like if bayesit could be activated ;) MRA Speed/Multithread: MRA Can it be true that The Bat is waay slower to fetch a message while at MRA the same time checking the state of my folders on my IMAP server ? MRA Neither Thunderbird, Mozilla, Opera M2 nor Outlook Express has so long MRA a waiting period from clicking on a new mail and when it is shown in MRA the preview pane or message dialog?! MRA Is there a enable multithreading of status and mail reading or MRA something that I have overlooked or The Bat just a one job at the MRA time kind of mail reader ? ;) I've configured it as you said (getting only one access violation in the process ;( ) and it seems somewhat faster, but now there seem to be a big mismatch between the unread/total statsoh well - i'll will probably learn to live with them :( Btw. can anyone point me to an explanation of the different states/markers of unread total ? Like what does Unread: 5 * Total: 7 * means ? And Unread: 55 56 (364) Total: 5.655 5.656 (6.872) anyhow thanks for the imap optimzations - i'll get back to you if they start behaving weird ;) /max Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: installing 2.11
Good afternoon Richard, It was foretold that on 6-6-2004 @ 08:09:17 GMT+0100 (which was 9:09:17 where I live) Richard Wakeford would write: snipped a bit RW Yes, you can install over old ones but only as far back as version RW 2 (I think). ;-) I'm coming from 1.x :-) -- Best regards, Luc http://www.dzinelabs.com --- Powered by The Bat! version 2.11 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. You can't undo the past...but you can certainly not repeat it. - Bruce Willis (b. 19 March 1955) Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
sat. 5-6 at 17:55 Allie wrote: Things that come to mind and are worth checking: - folder compression, especially for the Inbox and Outbox. I've run the compleate maintenence on all folders in all accounts - it only recovered some disc space, but did nothing to the CPU problems. - plugin use, especially antispam have been reportedly culpable for problems as you're experiencing. I tried to remove my only plugin BayersIt, and it didn't help either. I also tried to disable my Norton Antivirus. - a mailbase that is problematic will have TB! spending an inordinately long time with it. It happens in all folders, in all of my 4 accounts. One have only handled less than 100 mails. - check your temp folder for overload. TB! uses the temp folder when downloading messages and an overloaded temp folder will slow it down. Empty - didn't help. I think it is a regular bug, and not just the usual errors in the mailbox files. The problem has existed from I ran 2.11 the first time, and I have never had any problems with 2.x. It would be too much of a coincidence if 4 mailboxes should be damaged at the exact same time as I upgraded. As far as I know the installation does not alter the mailbox files, and no one else have had this problem -- Best regards Simon Mikkelsen Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bayesit configuration - help needed
Hello TBUDL, Since I'm getting inundated with spam I decided to try the recommended plug-in. I have met a configuration problem. I'm using The Bat! 2.11.2 with BayesIt 0.5.5. I am on dial-up so I do not download larger messages , preferring to leave on the server for later action using Mail Despatcher. Hence, I have a filter which , on the next logon, matches all messages in the Inbox and deletes from server. Now, to the problem if I configure BayesIt to automatically move spam messages to the Junk folder, these messages are not in the Inbox at the time of the next logon, hence do not match, and do not get deleted off the server! So. I am trying to configure BayesIt to leave the messages it regards as spam in the inbox but merely mark them read. There is a check box to do this (on The Bat! preferences anti-spam leaf) but , although it is checked it is also greyed out and does not appear to function (NB I have both the 'delete' and 'move' checkboxes unchecked). Is this normal and does anyone know what is going on? Perhaps unrelated, if I go to The Bat! preferences plug-ins leaf, highlight BayesIt and click configure the Rules button for setting black/white lists is similarly greyed out. Again, is this normal? I guess the main problem is the seemingly poor help available for BayesIt. Is there a help file somewhere I haven't located? I'd like to know what all the options mean! Thank you -- Ian Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
table view
Maybe I'm getting old, i.e. 'old eyes' but I would love to see an option for a table view, i.e. an option for a silver or user defined color line that can be added to delineate either columns, rows, or both. This would make looking at long msg lists easier IMO. Anyone else before I pass it on to RitLabs? Thank you, -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V2.11/W2K_SP3 ICQ 41116329 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit configuration - help needed
Hello Ian, On 6 Jun 2004 at 15:30:39 +0100 GMT [16:30 CEST] you wrote: IP So. I am trying to configure BayesIt to leave the messages IP it regards as spam in the inbox but merely mark them read. There is IP a check box to do this (on The Bat! preferences anti-spam leaf) but , IP although it is checked it is also greyed out and does not appear to IP function (NB I have both the 'delete' and 'move' checkboxes IP unchecked). Is this normal and does anyone know what is going on? This is for marking mail as read that is moved to the junk folder. As you don't move mail it does nothing. IP Perhaps unrelated, if I go to The Bat! preferences plug-ins leaf, IP highlight BayesIt and click configure the Rules button for setting IP black/white lists is similarly greyed out. Again, is this normal? Back/whitelists are not yet implented. IP I guess the main problem is the seemingly poor help available for IP BayesIt. Is there a help file somewhere I haven't located? I'd like to IP know what all the options mean! There's an old english one for v0.4: http://klirik.narod.ru/usefuls/bayesiteng.htm As far as I know the newer one is only evailable in russian: http://www.ritlabs.com/ru/solutions/BayesIt.php There are some comments though in the advanced.ini file. -- Cheers, Andre Die Normalität ist eine gepflasterte Straße; man kann gut darauf gehen - doch es wachsen keine Blumen auf ihr. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bayesit and the bat speed/multitasking
Hello Allie, On 6 Jun 2004 at 07:25:29 -0500 GMT [14:25 CEST] you wrote: AM Are you using BayesIt with an IMAP account? I don't know if it will AM work with IMAP accounts. I always thought that the plugins don't care for the protocoll and will work with imap and pop. The old homepage for bayesit 0.4 said as much. However, the site for v0.5 says that it doesn't work with imap so there seems to have changed something. -- Cheers, Andre L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
Hello Simon, On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:21:11 +0200 GMT (06/06/2004, 21:21 +0700 GMT), Simon Mikkelsen wrote: - folder compression, especially for the Inbox and Outbox. SM I've run the compleate maintenence on all folders in all accounts - it SM only recovered some disc space, but did nothing to the CPU problems. I noticed that TB runs faster after a defrag. I now use Diskeeper for degragging, as it is faster and finds more fragmented files that the built-in Windows defragger. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. WE LEARN that the Acme ultrasonic dog whistle warns purchasers: This product will be ineffective if your dog is deaf. Well, well, well. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Hello Urban, On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 13:20:44 +0200 GMT (06/06/2004, 18:20 +0700 GMT), Urban wrote: Correct, as the smiley-function in TB has nothing to do with the author. It is only and exclusively up to the recipient to decide whether he wants Ascii-smileys replaced by icon-smileys. U Even a silly sentence as The dog says grr and the cat meows shouldn't U be interpreted as The dog says angry and the cat meows unless _I_ (the U sender) mean it to be so. I shouldn't have to think twice when writing U it, and the recipient shouldn't have to think twice when reading it U either. I fully agree with the last sentence. However, if the reciepient tweaks his display to show something that you didn't write, I cannot find any fault on your side. In addition, I agree with Allie that only :grr: should trigger the smiley. But still it is the recipient's problem, not the sender's. The smileys have nothing to do with the sender of an email, U This has /everything/ to do with the sender. It his, and only his, U responsibility to make sure that the message sent isn't ambiguous. Well, this is where we disagree. IMHO your message wasn't ambiguous. U I've shown one way to make it so, another (and IMO a much better U approach) would be if there was a standardised header U X-Always-Show-Smileys-As-ASCII. Hm. You want to overwrite the recipient's settings. I don't think many will appreciate it. U You asked me to stop this thread, well I tried to CC to TBOT, but I am U not subscribed there under this address. So I'll just hope that anybody U that does respond make a CC there. Fair enough? OK for me, I am not a moderator here, and I will be gone for the next three days anyway. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Mothers all want their sons to grow up to be President, but they don't want them to become politicians in the process. (John F. Kennedy) Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Hello rich, On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:18:18 -0400 GMT (06/06/2004, 23:18 +0700 GMT), rich gregory wrote: TF I post one message in this thread after ignoring so many in TBBETA TF and here about the smileys. And I get this. Oh, well... ;-) rg So Sorry... I *should have* put in one of those MODerator-type rg I don't mean YOU in particular disclaimers! Note my smiley - I knew you didn't mean me in particular. rg I was just (like everybody else, I bet) getting tired of the rg personalized tone of the messages rather than the matter-of-fact QA rg tone I would prefer. Understandable. rg I apologize. Not necessary. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. FLATULANCE: Emergency vehicle that picks you up when you've been run over by a steam roller Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bat bugs force me to T-Bird
Hi Allie and TBUDLers, Sunday, June 6, 2004, 10:26:50 PM, you wrote: A Sl, [S] wrote: S I am writing this from my (and Allie Martin's) alternate mailer as S TheBat (on my PC) is flightless at present. S I have submitted a bug report to Ritlabs which in short says that I got S database reading error reports ...Attempts to repair the base did not S work or resulted in TB (ver 2.11.02 on Win 98) seizing up. ..then S 'Run-Time' error messages A Are you using IMAP or POP accounts here? Three accounts in TheBat!: two POP3, and my main one, IMAP4. As you may see I am writing from TheBat! again (not Thunderbird this time), as I have got the TheBat! up and running again. I did another new/clean install (ie not an install over an existing installation) but this time I have pointed TheBat to anew directory (in My Documents) to store email data.(Maybe some conflict arose from something in my previous E-Mail data store??...and the restoration from backup??) The settings and mail came from restoration of my most recent backup: about 2 weeks oldBut that doesn't bother me too much as the emails I wanted were still on the mail server... (a benefit of IMAP over POP I guess) I will see how it goes... To be fair, I should say I have had very few problems with TheBat! in the 2-3 years I have been using it, although I am still on a reasonably steep learning curve with IMAP (since I went to FastMail a few months ago). I am also just learning about Virtual Folders...altho I am comfortable with the concept as I use Lotus Notes (no choice) at work (where the 'folders' are in fact 'Views', which I assume is synonymous with 'Virtual Folder'). Thanks for your interest: 'Appreciated. -- Regards, Steve Lovemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 02:30 Monday, 7 June 2004 Using The Bat! v2.11.02 (Protocol:usually IMAP) on Windows 98 4.10 Build B Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Loosing addressbooks - a bug?
Hi, in the last time I loose addressbooks like Mailinglists and today Intermediate CA. I don't see them any more when I open addressbooks! This has also been with Trusted RootCA, which I, however, could get back. When I want to make a backup, I have there for selection two times Intermediate CA and Trusted RootCA. In this selection I cannot delete one of both each time! What can be the reason and what can I do? When I try to restore the addressbooks they are not back any more! -- Best regards, Roland Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bat bugs force me to T-Bird -update
Subject: Re: Bat bugs force me to T-Bird From: Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 07:26:50 -0500 To: Sl on TBUDL [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sl on TBUDL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sl, [S] wrote: S I am writing this from my (and Allie Martin's) alternate mailer as S TheBat (on my PC) is flightless at present. S I have submitted a bug report to Ritlabs which in short says that I got S database reading error reports ...Attempts to repair the base did not S work or resulted in TB (ver 2.11.02 on Win 98) seizing up. Allie Are you using IMAP or POP accounts here? My apologies if this second reply to Allie's does not thread properly: The Bat is still playing up and I am back into ThunderBird: To recap: Problems with data base reading errors, attempted fixes, then a series of Run Time error messages from Windows. I have three accounts in TB: two POP3, one (my main one: FastMail) IMAP. On my last re-install (ver 2.11.02), restored from a backup, and pointed TB to a new directory for my email data. Then I ran BackUp and got error messages suggesting a problem with the database index, and suggesting I delete the index. I found the index file(s) (*.tbi) - 25 of them, deleted them (to Recycle Bin) and restarted TB. I got the familar Run Time error messages. I undeleted the *.tbi files: same RunTime error messages... I might come back to re-addressing this problem...but it may have to wait 2-3 days (work and other commitments!)...so my second fiddle (T-Bird) is back into first place... Perhaps I should reconsider using Outlook Express?? ;-) -- SteveL - Australia Mailer: T-Bird currently. In the ashes: TheBat ver 2.11.02 on Win 98 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: multi-language templates
Hello Robin, Saturday, June 5, 2004, 3:25:40 AM, you wrote: RA I'm sure it will be lines in a QT that don't have the %- at the end. What exactly does *- do ? [20 min browsing through the help file did not give any answer.] -- Best regards, Cyrille mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [ TB! 2.10.01, Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000, Pentium 233Mhz with 95MB ] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: multi-language templates
Hello Cyrille, On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:31:44 +0200 GMT (07/06/2004, 00:31 +0700 GMT), Cyrille wrote: RA I'm sure it will be lines in a QT that don't have the %- at the end. C What exactly does *- do ? *- does nothing. %- suppresses the new line that you manually enter after it. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. My wife and I were happy for twenty years then we met. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bayesit and the bat speed/multitasking
Andre Wichartz, [AW] wrote: AW I always thought that the plugins don't care for the protocoll and will AW work with imap and pop. The old homepage for bayesit 0.4 said as much. AW However, the site for v0.5 says that it doesn't work with imap so there AW seems to have changed something. I doubt they have changed anything with Bayesit. I'm not surprised that it doesn't work with it. The two protocols work very differently and it would be very unusual that the plug-in would simply work with both without there being specific support provided for IMAP. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.02 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpGQCRZDQKoJ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
Simon Mikkelsen, [SM] wrote: Check list all coming up with nil snipped. SM I think it is a regular bug, and not just the usual errors in the SM mailbox files. The problem has existed from I ran 2.11 the first SM time, and I have never had any problems with 2.x. It would be too SM much of a coincidence if 4 mailboxes should be damaged at the SM exact same time as I upgraded. True. SM As far as I know the installation does not alter the mailbox SM files, and no one else have had this problem It would seem this isn't a common problem at all which would point to something being special about your situation. I wonder Frustrating. :/ -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.02 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpeH121ISUI7.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Problem with Bayesit! Plugin... once more :(
Hi I thought my problems with Bayesit! would be over. But once again in the plugin info i have these lines C:\Program Files\The Bat!\Mail\bayesit\base\spamdict.bye Error loading file. May be it is corrupted or lost. spamdict.bye is here but it size is zero bytes :( Hlp -- El Sinior NoNo - [EMAIL PROTECTED] My name is ZoNe, NoNoZoNe !!! http://www.nonozone.com Pour vous abonner à la Mailing List NoNoZoNe, envoyez un message vide à [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Urban, [U] wrote: U In that case the person who gets the table can do something that is U _much_ better: (S)he can tell the sender that doing tables like that U isn't necessarily a good thing and show him or her a better alternative. .. the same can apply for the emoticon issue. In fact the emoticon issue is more easily solved. U Normally, yes, and I shouldn't mess with the settings that _they_ U want, I don't want to either. What I want is simply a way to make U TB know that /this particular message/ contains smilie shortcuts U that should be rendered as text. You cannot influence how your messages will be rendered by the receiving client. That's up to the client and the users settings. You can minimize problems but you can't totally eliminate them. U I haven't said that emoticons are necessarily a bad thing that shouldn't U be, so I don't deny anyone anything. What I have said, however, is that U the way it works in TB now isn't good because it denies the sender U control of what the first impression of the mail sent will be. It can be disabled permanently or via a toggle switch (right click in the viewer and select 'Smileys'). If the user finds an emoticon strangely placed, as I do at times, (s)he simply toggles off the smileys. I've done this for a few messages already. U If I select another message encoding, I'll get a visual feedback U (although it seems to be true only for non-ASCII characters). If I U write :-) while composing, even the HTML-editor will only show me U colon-dash-right parenthesis without any clue whatsoever that it U might be converted to a emoticon. Of course, since emoticons aren't a part of HTML. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.02 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpLVPCZCHwyk.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with Bayesit! Plugin... once more :(
Dear Arnaud, @6-Jun-2004, 20:10 +0200 (06-Jun 19:10 UK time) Arnaud Lecat [AL] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: AL I thought my problems with Bayesit! would be over. AL But once again in the plugin info i have these lines AL C:\Program Files\The Bat!\Mail\bayesit\base\spamdict.bye AL Error loading file. May be it is corrupted or lost. AL spamdict.bye is here but it size is zero bytes :( AL Hlp Wild shot in the dark time. What AV software do you use? Could your dictionary have been quarantined by it because of the presence of an infected message? I'm beginning to get a funny feeling about disappearing files on systems that use 'nanny' type AV solutions. Could it be the case? -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp5aa6AGmJdq.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Problem with Bayesit! Plugin... once more :(
Sunday, June 6, 2004, 8:23:05 PM, tu m'a écris: MDP Wild shot in the dark time. What AV software do you use? Could your MDP dictionary have been quarantined by it because of the presence of MDP an infected message? I'm using BitDefender... which is a quite good AV... i think ! -- El Sinior NoNo - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- My name is ZoNe, NoNoZoNe !!! http://www.nonozone.com Pour vous abonner à la Mailing List NoNoZoNe, envoyez un message vide à [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bayesit and the bat speed/multitasking
Hello Max, Sunday, June 6, 2004, 8:09:21 AM, you wrote: AM Welcome aboard though I must admit that IMAP still has some problems, AM one that you've detected below. yeah - I'm starting to see the tweaks ... anyone know if these are high-priority for the The Bat team ? ;) (since I wrote the originally mail I've gotten 8 access violation messages - not very asuring ;( ) IMAP is a priority it would seem, but the optimization seems challenging so the improvements have been somewhat slow in coming. We have to be patient. They're working on it. :) The question is whether or not you can make the current incarnation workable for your needs. The manage IMAP folders panel has been a source of many AV's. I prepare for them when I'm going to work with it. :/ AM Are you using BayesIt with an IMAP account? I don't know if it will AM work with IMAP accounts. yes - of course i'm using it with IMAP accounts...nowhere does the bat docs mention that IMAP message source are limited compared to POP. TB!'s documentation isn't exhaustive and the fact that this has not been mentioned doesn't mean it's not a problem. There are many POP features that don't work with IMAP. TB! was originally mainly a POP client with all features built around POP. Major IMAP reworking was undertaken and getting all the non-protocol specific features to work with IMAP has been a challenge. Quite a bit has happened since I first started using IMAP. (but I had seen it coming...especially since I've now read 5-10 entries on this mailinglist about limitations/bugs about filtering and IMAP Filtering is one of the big ones.. Autofiltering has *just now* been put into a workable state though there are still problems with it. thus I've taken the consequence and started using imapfilter to do that particular task instead... Wise choice. :) that will also allow me to migrate to another mail client without having to reconfigure filters).. Exactly!! but i still would like if bayesit could be activated ;) I understand. However, I think Bayesit needs good filtering to work, doesn't it? I've configured it as you said (getting only one access violation in the process ;( ) Lucky you. ;) and it seems somewhat faster, but now there seem to be a big mismatch between the unread/total statsoh well - i'll will probably learn to live with them :( Like what does Unread: 5 * Total: 7 * means ? This means that there are 5 unread messages in that IMAP folder and none of them are cached locally. The same goes for the Total. And Unread: 55 56 (364) Total: 5.655 5.656 (6.872) Unread - 55 sync'd to local cache but 56 are on the server. If the numbers are equal then you'll only see one. (364) usually represents the total count including subfolders. It's because you're syncing only on demand that you're now seeing these figures. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.02 on WinXP Pro (SP1) Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
Hello Simon, Things that come to mind and are worth checking: - folder compression, especially for the Inbox and Outbox. SM I've run the compleate maintenence on all folders in all accounts - it SM only recovered some disc space, but did nothing to the CPU problems. Did you try to check integrity of all your folders? Do you have any Virtual Folders? SM I think it is a regular bug, and not just the usual errors in the SM mailbox files. No, it's not a regular bug because regular bugs are easily reproduced on other systems. :-) -- Cheers! Stefan pgp38fqBb9Yb6.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP/TB! has gone VERY wrong!
Hi Allie On Saturday, June 5, 2004 20:01 your local time, which was Sunday, June 6, 2004 at 02:01 my local time, Allie Martin [AM] wrote; CW I first spotted the problem when I noticed some of my mail that was CW previously being auto-filtered was no longer moving. Fine I CW thought, I'll try manually triggering the filter, but again, CW nothing happened :-( AM I no longer am able to leave TB! running for long periods since AM something usually happens with IMAP that requires a restart to get AM working correctly again. However, I've discovered that disconnecting AM from the server and then reconnecting also helps in some instances. AM Otherwise an exit and restart is all that will help. I don't remember exactly how long TB! was running for, but it certainly wasn't any longer than a couple of hours. I will certainly keep that in mind though! :-) -- Cheers, Chris Using The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Adding macros as I write-on the fly
* Marck D. Pearlstone writes: @5-Jun-2004, 12:02 -0700 (05-Jun 20:02 UK time) Michael L. Wilson MLW There have been times, when writing a new email, that I would like to MLW insert a macro. [...] Put the macro into a QT. Type the handle of the QT in the message body and press Ctrl+Space. The QT will be invoked and the Macro command obeyed. That should do it for you. It would be nice if we had a set of build-in Quick Templates that did nothing more than sort of »mirror« the available macros. Like typing AbToLastName+Ctrl+Space executes the macro %AbToLastName. It would help when creating or debugging QT. From time to time I create such Quick Templates just to see what would happen if I used this or that macro ... Carsten -- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Adding macros as I write-on the fly
Dear Carsten, @06-Jun-2004, 22:07 +0200 (06-Jun 21:07 UK time) Carsten Thönges [CT] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Put the macro into a QT. Type the handle of the QT in the message body and press Ctrl+Space. The QT will be invoked and the Macro command obeyed. That should do it for you. CT It would be nice if we had a set of build-in Quick Templates CT that did nothing more than sort of »mirror« the available CT macros. Like typing AbToLastName+Ctrl+Space executes the macro CT %AbToLastName. That does sound a good idea ... although ... CT It would help when creating or debugging QT. From time to time I CT create such Quick Templates just to see what would happen if I used CT this or that macro ... I do this so often that I have a special 'tester' QT set aside for precisely this purpose. It is actually '--'. Nothing to do with cut marks. It is just sorted to the top of the QT list making it quick to edit. It's also easy to type. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgpMqVg3EdvoJ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Adding macros as I write-on the fly
Carsten Thönges wrote: It would be nice if we had a set of build-in Quick Templates that did nothing more than sort of »mirror« the available macros. Like typing AbToLastName+Ctrl+Space executes the macro %AbToLastName. You can sort of do that with the %Eval macro in MyMacros. Create a QT consisting of: %Eval(%Clipboard) Then, copy whatever you want to execute to the clipboard (e.g. %AbToLastName) and type QT name+Ctrl+Space. For those who don't know, the MyMacros plug-in is available at: http://en.barin.com.ua/soft/mymacros/ -- George Using The Bat! 2.11.02 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
charset in replies
Hello list, I remember to have seen somewhere in the prefs an option where you can choose whether in replies a./ the charset should be the same as in the original message or b./ the charset should be the default charset of the account. But now I can not find this option any more. Anybody knows where it is? -- Best regards, Cyrille mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [ TB! 2.10.01, Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000, Pentium 233Mhz with 95MB ] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: multi-language templates
Hello Thomas, Sunday, June 6, 2004, 7:44:19 PM, you wrote: TF *- does nothing. %- suppresses the new line that you manually TF enter after it. Sorry for my mistyping. But still did not get the point. What do you mean with manually? I use it in QT. And I see it in many places at the end, and not at the beginning of a line. Where do I find more explanation about this particular expression in the help file? -- Best regards, Cyrille mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [ TB! 2.10.01, Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000, Pentium 233Mhz with 95MB ] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Your attachments
Hello Allie, Forgive me if this has been asked before, but I've only recently started receiving posts from this list again (voluntarily). The question pertains to the fact that all of your posts (and some others) have an attachment called 'message.att'. Does everyone see this attachment or is it just me? -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lumbering along with The Bat! v1.61 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: multi-language templates
Hello Robin,
Saturday, June 5, 2004, 3:25:40 AM, you wrote:
RA Hmm, I'm sure it will be lines in a QT that don't have the %- at the end.
RA Perhaps there are some blank lines that should have a %-. Check that
RA there are no blank lines at the end of a QT. These may not be obvious
RA until you investigate closely.
Now I managed to get rid of these empty lines by changing something in
the QT you proposed at at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
and mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Since I do not feel very sure about changing the code I send you a copy of
what I did. The new version works for the empty lines. But I wonder whether my
intervention might not affect something else...
Below follows first the old version (1) which provoked these empty lines, and
then the new version (2) with my changes.
(1)
[ SetLanguage QT ]
%REM=^%-
Set language based on recipient's addressbook memo entry containing a
line starting Language: followed by the language code
If this doesn't exist, use the TLD in the recipient's address
^%-
%-
%_SetLang='%SetPattRegExp=(?im)^Language:\s*([a-z]{2})$%RegExpMatch=%ABToMemo'
%If:#%_SetLang###:##:#%-
%-
%Rem=No language entry in the addressbook%-
%-
%_SLDomain='%SetPattRegExp=\.([^\.]*?)$%RegExpMatch(%ToAddr)%-'
%_SetLang=AM%-
%-
%If:'%_SLDomain'='fr':'%_SetLang=FR'%-
%If:'%_SLDomain'='de':'%_SetLang=DE'%-
%If:'%_SLDomain'='sk':'%_SetLang=SK'%-
%If:'%_SLDomain'='cz':'%_SetLang=SK'%-
%If:'%_SLDomain'='ru':'%_SetLang=RU'%-
%If:'%_SLDomain'='hu':'%_SetLang=HU'%-
%If:'%_SLDomain'='pl':'%_SetLang=PL'%-#
%-
[ End SetLanguage QT ]
(2)
[ SetLanguage QT ]
%REM=^%-
Set language based on recipient's addressbook memo entry containing a
line starting Language: followed by the language code
If this doesn't exist, use the TLD in the recipient's address
^%-
%-
%_SetLang='%SetPattRegExp=(?im)^Language:\s*([a-z]{2})$%RegExpMatch=%ABToMemo'%-
%If:#%_SetLang###:##:#%-
%-
%Rem=No language entry in the addressbook%-
%-
%_SLDomain='%SetPattRegExp=\.([^\.]*?)$%RegExpMatch(%ToAddr)%-'
%_SetLang=AM%-
%-
%If:'%_SLDomain'='fr':'%_SetLang=FR'%-
%If:'%_SLDomain'='de':'%_SetLang=DE'%-
%If:'%_SLDomain'='sk':'%_SetLang=SK'%-
%If:'%_SLDomain'='cz':'%_SetLang=SK'%-
%If:'%_SLDomain'='ru':'%_SetLang=RU'%-
%If:'%_SLDomain'='hu':'%_SetLang=HU'%-
%If:'%_SLDomain'='pl':'%_SetLang=PL'%-
[ End SetLanguage QT ]
My changes are at the end of line 10 and at the very end of the QT.
--
Best regards,
Cyrille
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Your attachments
Dear Jack, @6-Jun-2004, 16:12 -0500 (06-Jun 22:12 UK time) Jack S. LaRosa [JSL] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Allie: JSL The question pertains to the fact that all of your posts (and some JSL others) have an attachment called 'message.att'. Does everyone see JSL this attachment or is it just me? Most are using TB v2, which will show these for what they are .. PGP/MIME signatures :-). Version 2 introduced PGP/MIME support and some of us sign our messages with it. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp9rW5B4FWaq.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
duplicate folders
I recently upgraded to 2.x and so far love it, especially the virtual folders. It's just like Outlook's virtual windows. However, for some reason, I got duplicate folders like 4 Inbox's, Sent, Outbox etc. When I delete one, it deletes all 4, which is not good either. I have also deleted the account from the tree and reinserted - no change. Anyone know why this might be? Thanks. -- Best regards, Peter Using The Bat! version 2.11.02 (www.ritlabs.com) on Windows XP Build 2600 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: installing 2.11
On Sun 6 June 2004, 23:31:50 +1000, Luc wrote: RW Yes, you can install over old ones but only as far back as version RW 2 (I think). ;-) I'm coming from 1.x :-) I installed 2.x over the top of 1.x without any problems. I think the only issue is you may not be able to go back from 2.x to 1.x without re-installing. It has to do with changes to the folder structure. -- Robin Anson Using The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: multi-language templates
On Mon 7 June 2004, 8:05:59 +1000, Cyrille wrote:
(2)
[ SetLanguage QT ]
%REM=^%-
Set language based on recipient's addressbook memo entry containing a
line starting Language: followed by the language code
If this doesn't exist, use the TLD in the recipient's address
^%-
%-
%_SetLang='%SetPattRegExp=(?im)^Language:\s*([a-z]{2})$%RegExpMatch=%ABToMemo'%-
%If:#%_SetLang###:##:#%-
%-
%Rem=No language entry in the addressbook%-
%-
%_SLDomain='%SetPattRegExp=\.([^\.]*?)$%RegExpMatch(%ToAddr)%-'
%_SetLang=AM%-
%-
%If:'%_SLDomain'='fr':'%_SetLang=FR'%-
%If:'%_SLDomain'='de':'%_SetLang=DE'%-
%If:'%_SLDomain'='sk':'%_SetLang=SK'%-
%If:'%_SLDomain'='cz':'%_SetLang=SK'%-
%If:'%_SLDomain'='ru':'%_SetLang=RU'%-
%If:'%_SLDomain'='hu':'%_SetLang=HU'%-
%If:'%_SLDomain'='pl':'%_SetLang=PL'%-
[ End SetLanguage QT ]
My changes are at the end of line 10 and at the very end of the QT.
What you have done at the end of line 10 is correct. It actually appears
to be line 11 if you count the blank line at the beginning.
If the first line is in you QT (the one _before_ %REM=^%-) this should
also have %-.
If the last two blank lines are in your QT, they should also have %-.
However all three of those blank lines could safely be omitted since they
do nothing.
--
Robin Anson
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Re: cleaning up replies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marck, On Sun, 6 Jun 2004, at 09:27:48 [GMT+0100] (which was 01:27:48 In San Jose, CA, USA) you wrote: MDP Try this instead: MDP http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/tbfaq_flat.html Thanks, that did it. Wonderful -- Rev. Michael L. Wilson, MBA Philosopher Teacher Critic If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. - - Exploiting The Bat! version 2.11.02 Hamstrung with Windows XP 5.1 (2600) Scanning with Nod32 anti-virus Sifting with SpamPal anti-Spam Hiding behind Outpost Pro Firewall _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML email X / \ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: iQA/AwUBQMPD/m2u7N+Qh+ieEQLGFQCeNVcP0R6NirBxQ82lsmKtstgU9SsAoKvN FasWUqEvoH4kYIS499nOi29f =FDBI -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cleaning up replies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Andrew, On Sun, 6 Jun 2004, at 11:46:46 [GMT+0300] (which was 01:46:46 In San Jose, CA, USA) you wrote: AP %SmartQuotes macro will be available in MyMacros 1.11 release in AP nearest future. It's for cutting greetings and goodbyes with AP signatures, removing too deep quotes, rearranging empty lines in AP quotation and some more neat things that you often do yourself :) . AP It's already being tested, release is expected in few weeks I think. That is great, thanks! - -- Rev. Michael L. Wilson, MBA Philosopher Teacher Critic If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. - - Exploiting The Bat! version 2.11.02 Hamstrung with Windows XP 5.1 (2600) Scanning with Nod32 anti-virus Sifting with SpamPal anti-Spam Hiding behind Outpost Pro Firewall _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML email X / \ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: iQA/AwUBQMPEUW2u7N+Qh+ieEQJ0gACgi/FuS4zpqJwEGRTTaO2HyJToMSYAoIEv 9FfJ5MiDOe8yUTX59+UE0kvl =T+tI -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Leave on server
Sunday, June 06, 2004 at 6:56 PM Pacific Hello TBUDL, I have the box Leave messages on server in all of my accounts but some are getting deleted anyway. Has anyone else had this problem? I am using Windows 98SE. -- Wayne Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Definitive list of Smilies.
Chris Weaven @ 2004-Jun-5 6:54:02 AM Definitive list of Smilies. mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :42: That's the answer to Life! The Universe! Everything! However, the question is another matter... -- Chris - Nun mi Esperanton lernas. Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v2.11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Today's Oxymoron: Genuine imitation pgpBuyaRhV7bn.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: multi-language templates
Hello Robin, Monday, June 7, 2004, 2:37:25 AM, you wrote: RA What you have done at the end of line 10 is correct. It actually appears RA to be line 11 if you count the blank line at the beginning. At the end of the QT I omitted also the # at the end of the last code line. What is this # good for? What *exactly* does %-? Where in the help file or where on the net can I read more about # and %- ? RA However all three of those blank lines could safely be omitted since they RA do nothing. Done. -- Thank you, Robin, for your repeated help! Best regards, Cyrille mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [ TB! 2.10.01, Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000, Pentium 233Mhz with 95MB ] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Leave on server
Hello Wayne, Monday, June 7, 2004, 3:59:46 AM, you wrote: WB I have the box Leave messages on server in all of my accounts but WB some are getting deleted anyway. Has anyone else had this problem? I WB am using Windows 98SE. Do you have a 'Selective download' filter? 'Selective download' filters allow to delete messages even if you have Leave messages on server on - if you configure TB so. This is not a problem, but a useful feature. -- Best regards, Cyrille mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [ TB! 2.10.01, Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000, Pentium 233Mhz with 95MB ] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Leave on server
Sunday, June 06, 2004 at 10:54 PM Pacific Hello Cyrille, This is a reply to your message dated Sunday, June 06, 2004 at 10:23 PM, when you wrote: WB I have the box Leave messages on server in all of my accounts but WB some are getting deleted anyway. Has anyone else had this problem? I WB am using Windows 98SE. C Do you have a 'Selective download' filter? 'Selective download' C filters allow to delete messages even if you have Leave messages on C server on - if you configure TB so. This is not a problem, but a C useful feature. Thanks very much, that is what it was. I changed the Selective download action from kill to Ignore and all is well. -- Wayne Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
