The Bat Password?
Howdy, I am wondering if there is a way to set a password to access my Mail in The Bat? Either a way to set a password to access the program or a password to access each account..? Is there a way? Cheers, Scott Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: BayesIt
Hello Chenoa, Monday, June 21, 2004, 7:29:31 PM, you wrote: C On 21 Jun 2004 at 09:22:21 you wrote: GD I would be happy if I could catch 1 spam... :-( GD I have SpamAssassin running on the mail server, it throws certain Spam into an IMAP GD account for manual proofing - I mark all this and flag as Junk (training GD BayesIt) C I don't think bayesit works with imap. GD Spam that reaches TB also gets marked as Junk (more BayesIt training) C So how many spam and non-spam messages have you marked? The information C under preferences: does the size of the dictionaries increase? Well Fredrik sent me his base (spamdict.bye 30.000+ and nspamdict.bye 17.000+) so I should have a good sample. I checked today and I have caught 0 spam's, but I only received 2 in TB There is a lot of talk on the list about PopFile so I may give that a try -- Best regards, Grahammailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Keep attachments in message bodies
Hallo Alexander, On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 02:18:45 +0400GMT (22-6-2004, 0:18 +0200, where I live), you wrote: AG Can anyone explain advantages and disadvantages of keeping attachments AG in message bodies and in specific directory? What comes first to mind is that keeping attachments in the message body costs space. MIME encoded files are a third bigger than their original, so keeping attachments in a separate directory saves space. When you're having lots of messages with big attachments, your message base files grow a lot and that might slow TB down. Those are the major disadvantages with inline attachments. The advantages of storing attachments in-line are: When you're moving messages from account to account the attachments stay with the message. -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat Password?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Scott, On 22 June 2004, 16:17 +0930 (07:47 local time) Scott Sims [SS] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SS I am wondering if there is a way to set a password to access my Mail SS in The Bat? Either a way to set a password to access the program or a SS password to access each account..? SS Is there a way? Account | Set Access Password (Ctrl-F12.) Also, please use a signature delimiter: -- (dash dash space folowed by a return.) - -- As ever, :Martin_Webster: Jabber mjw | ICQ 15893823 | PGP Key ID 0xD644460D The Bat! 2.12 Beta/1 | BayesIt! 0.5.5 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: PGP Key available from ldap://europe.keys.pgp.com/:11370; iQA/AwUBQNfk/Tknq5PWREYNEQLmbACguEOpP+9re7vwHGU71f+gsbGuTnUAoJeH +NW4EeWs5gBCwp5L+z7izKH6 =kx7S -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Need help for forwarding mail
Hi, I've got a problem : when I receive an e-mail with a picture attached, and when I want to forward just the picture to a friend, I click on the Forward button in TB . When I was using Outlook(I wasn't in the truth at this time ;-) ), this click open a new mail with just the picture attached and not the whole mail of the original sender. In TB, by clicking forward button, I open a new mail with original mail as attached file and not just the picture. How can I forward just the picture ? Thanks -- WilWilWil [EMAIL PROTECTED] TB 2.11.02 Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
What is Shift Alt F5 features named Alternative forward ?
Hi, When I click right on an e-mail, in the special context menu, I can find Alternative Forward. What is this ? Thanks -- WilWilWil [EMAIL PROTECTED] TB 2.11.02 Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat Password?
Hello Scott, I am wondering if there is a way to set a password to access my Mail in The Bat? Either a way to set a password to access the program or a password to access each account..? Is there a way? Account/Set Access Password -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.10.03 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: SMTP Servers
Hello John, Monday, June 21, 2004, 9:15:40 PM, you wrote: JP Hi Fredrik, JP On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, at 16:28:21 [GMT+0200] (which was Tue, 0:28:21 JP Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: This is probably off topic and the moderators will kill me, but here we go :) Here in Sweden our ISPs are trying to stop SPAM and Viruses by not allowing connections to other SMTP servers than the one in the ISPs network. This means that on my notebook I need to use one SMTP server when I'm at home and one when I'm at work. JP Easy solution, get your own SMTP server which I fail to see how your isp can JP stop you using. Actually, Telia (One of Swedens largest ISPs) blocks port 25 to stop spreading of viruses and SPAM :) -- /Fredrik The Bat! 2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is Shift Alt F5 features named Alternative forward ?
Wilwilwil, [W] wrote: When I click right on an e-mail, in the special context menu, I can find Alternative Forward. What is this ? You can forward a message in two ways. - you can create a forward message and have the original message MIME attached. - you can create a forward message with the original message text within the body of the forward message. You can choose either of the two to be your default. Alternate forwarding will forward messages the way that's not your default method. -- -=[ :Allie: ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.12 Beta/3 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpVjAaIFdZU4.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Full-width message list view
This was introduced in the latest version, I believe, or maybe I just didn't discover it earlier - but it suits me :-) Trouble is every time I restart TB! the Message List window covers the entire screen and I have to manually resize the display to bring the other TB! windows into view. Anyone else have that? Any suggested fixes? -- Regards, G. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! Version 2.11 Windows XP Version 5 Build 2600 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is Shift Alt F5 features named Alternative forward ?
ON Tuesday, June 22, 2004, 12:07:05 AM, you wrote: W Hi, W When I click right on an e-mail, in the special context menu, I can find W Alternative Forward. What is this ? It is also known as redirect. It will see to the recipient that the email was not forwarded but received directly from the original sender, without being handled by you. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Equipment - According to the rules of golf, equipment is anything that can be thrown, broken, kicked, twisted, torn, crushed, shredded or mangled; or propelled, driven or directed, either under its own power or by means of a transfer of momentum, into underbrush, trees or other overgrown terrain; or over the edge of a natural or artificially elevated area; or below the surface of any body of water, whether moving or impounded. Using The Bat! v2.11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Need help for forwarding mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ~~( __ _o Was Tue, 22 Jun 2004, at 00:04:41 +0200, @ @ when WilWilWil wrote: I've got a problem : when I receive an e-mail with a picture attached, and when I want to forward just the picture to a friend, I click on the Forward button in TB . When I was using Outlook(I wasn't in the truth at this time ;-) ), this click open a new mail with just the picture attached and not the whole mail of the original sender. In TB, by clicking forward button, I open a new mail with original mail as attached file and not just the picture. How can I forward just the picture ? You can do that using Ctrl+O, but you have to delete/edit text of the original sender then. It is not known to me that you could forward only the attached file. - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast Antispam | 1 spam letters in last 34 h. o | 192 non-spam letters in last 34 h. y | By BayesIt! 0.5.5 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFA2Auz9q62QPd3XuIRArN8AJ9qt4d+THc8LlugRndT+huPL7bI6ACfUch4 LpsIwAQQNi9WujkWlBQJX6I= =hT1N -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Need help for forwarding mail
Hello WilWilWil, On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 00:04:41 +0200GMT(22.06.2004, 00:04 +0200, where I live), you wrote: I've got a problem : when I receive an e-mail with a picture attached, and when I want to forward just the picture to a friend, I click on the Forward button in TB . When I was using Outlook(I wasn't in the truth at this time ;-) ), this click open a new mail with just the picture attached and not the whole mail of the original sender. How did you do that in Outlook? When I forward a mail in Outlook2002 I have the same behaviour as in TB, attachment and text of the original mail. -- Kind Regards :Feli: The Bat! 2.12 Beta/1 on Windows 2000 5.0 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Folders disappearing in The Bat!
Using The Bat! v%THEBATVERSION on %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %-%WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build %- %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER%WINDOWSCSDVERSION I just installed a trial of The Bat! yesterday. I imported messages from Outlook Express, which had several sub-folders defined. I moved these folders from the import folder to the top level of my account. I set up message filters to move incoming mail to these folders, and all seemed to be going well. This morning, when I logged on and started The Bat!, none of these folders showed in the folder view. All the message filters have been reset to refile messages to Inbox. When I look at my email folder, I see all the folders I set up, and each contains a MESSAGES.TBB and MESSAGES.TBI folder, but I am unable to see them in The Bat! How do I fix this? -- Jim McMaster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Can I import a thawte certificate into The Bat!?
Using The Bat! v%THEBATVERSION on %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %- %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build %- %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION Can I import a thawte certificate into The Bat!? If so, how do I go about it? Thank you. -- Jim mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folders disappearing in The Bat!
Hallo Jim, On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:08:16 -0600GMT (22-6-2004, 17:08 +0200, where I live), you wrote: JM This morning, when I logged on and started The Bat!, none of these JM folders showed in the folder view. Press Ctrl-Shift-Alt-L while you've got the focus on the folder-tree pane, that ought to take care of things. -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: An overview of the file structure please
Hello TBUDL On Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 9:50:06 AM, clairvoyants were mystified when TBUDL [JR] conjured: RO As I just did a fresh install, I respectfully have to disagree with RO you. I thought it went kind of easy. JR Are you sure that's due to your familiarity with the program? I just did one a few days ago and I have only been using The Bat! a little over 30 days and it went very fast and easy for me. -- Until we do this again Jimmie From C:\*.* to shining C:\*.* Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is Shift Alt F5 features named Alternative forward ?
Hello Gerard, On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:42:27 +0200 GMT (22/06/2004, 16:42 +0700 GMT), Gerard wrote: W When I click right on an e-mail, in the special context menu, I can find W Alternative Forward. What is this ? G It is also known as redirect. No, this is not what TB does. Redirect is also known a bounce. G It will see to the recipient that the email was not forwarded but G received directly from the original sender, without being handled G by you. That's what redirect/bounce does, but not alternative forward. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Following a thread form a folder
Hello Alexander, On Monday, June 21, 2004, 11:17:38 PM, you wrote: A Hello, Edgar! A EvD So he is mixing it all up. A EvD Has any one the same problem or know how to correct it? A I've seen such problem earlier. I think you should select A Folder - Refresh. A I use 2.11.04, and as I remember here this bug is fixed. The Refresh is selected, but I'll look for 04 may be that will help. :) -- Cheers, Edgar Communicating with TB! v2.11.02, Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Quoting one is plagiarism. Quoting many is research. To request my public key select this url: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpsDUBG1Y0q2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folders disappearing in The Bat!
On Tuesday, June 22, 2004, 9:16:34 AM, Roelof Otten wrote: Hallo Jim, On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:08:16 -0600GMT (22-6-2004, 17:08 +0200, where I live), you wrote: JM This morning, when I logged on and started The Bat!, none of these JM folders showed in the folder view. Press Ctrl-Shift-Alt-L while you've got the focus on the folder-tree pane, that ought to take care of things. Thank you. That did solve the problem. Can anyone tell me what caused this, and whether it is likely to keep happening? Hitting a key to get the folders back is not a problem, but fixing all my filters every time I restart would be such. -- Jim mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can I import a thawte certificate into The Bat!?
Hi Jim, on Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:11:31 -0600GMT, you wrote: JM Can I import a thawte certificate into The Bat!? If so, how do I go JM about it? Go to Account » Properties » Edit Personal Certificates and import your Thawte cert. BTW: JM Using The Bat! v%THEBATVERSION on %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %- JM %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build %- %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER JM %WINDOWSCSDVERSION This should be in your template for new message or reply, not in the message body. :-) -- Cheers Peter Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future Niehls Bohr The Bat! v2.12 Beta/1, on Win98, 4, 10, build , PII at 200MHz, 64 MB RAM smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can I import a thawte certificate into The Bat!?
Hi Jim, on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 17:11 you wrote in message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] among others Can I import a thawte certificate into The Bat!? If so, how do I go about it? I think that you have your certificate already under extras - internet options - contents - certificates! From there you can export the certificate to a special folder or to the desktop! Under TheBat - account - properties - edit personal certificates - you can then import it from there - also into your addressbook under your email-address for which you have got the certificate. -- Best regards, Roland PGP-Key: 0x0D023C45 (DH/DSS) I use The Bat! v2.11.04 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1! Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can I import a thawte certificate into The Bat!?
JM Using The Bat! v%THEBATVERSION on %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %- JM %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build %- %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER JM %WINDOWSCSDVERSION This should be in your template for new message or reply, not in the message body. :-) Sorry...as I said, I just downloaded The Bat! yesterday. -- Jim mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can I import a thawte certificate into The Bat!?
On Tuesday, June 22, 2004, 10:54:35 AM, Roland Burger wrote: Hi Jim, on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 17:11 you wrote in message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] among others Can I import a thawte certificate into The Bat!? If so, how do I go about it? I think that you have your certificate already under extras - internet options - contents - certificates! From there you can export the certificate to a special folder or to the desktop! Under TheBat - account - properties - edit personal certificates - you can then import it from there - also into your addressbook under your email-address for which you have got the certificate. Bingo...I found the Import function, but could not figure out I had to expert it from Windows first. Many thanks. -- Jim McMaster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folders disappearing in The Bat!
Hallo Jim, On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:11:41 -0600GMT (22-6-2004, 18:11 +0200, where I live), you wrote: JM Can anyone tell me what caused this, and whether it is likely to keep JM happening? Hitting a key to get the folders back is not a problem, JM but fixing all my filters every time I restart would be such. It shouldn't happen again. If it does you'd better check your harddisk (scandisk, defrag, etc), because it's a sign something's gone awry. -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folders disappearing in The Bat!
On Tuesday, June 22, 2004, 11:45:45 AM, Roelof Otten wrote: Hallo Jim, On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:11:41 -0600GMT (22-6-2004, 18:11 +0200, where I live), you wrote: JM Can anyone tell me what caused this, and whether it is likely to keep JM happening? Hitting a key to get the folders back is not a problem, JM but fixing all my filters every time I restart would be such. It shouldn't happen again. If it does you'd better check your harddisk (scandisk, defrag, etc), because it's a sign something's gone awry. Okay, thanks. I run a defrag every night, and I am not having any other disk problems. it happened the first time I shut down TB and logged off, so I just wondered if it was a common occurrence. -- Jim mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: questions/suggestions for the bat...
At 13:20 20/06/2004, you wrote: my usual action is to do a quick search for the name or subject and then alt-click on the name. I now have a list of all messages to or from the particular person. Only as long as they happen to be in the same folder. With M2, it's a single click (I'm mourning the loss of M2, which I had to abandon, and I'm not quite happy enough with The Bat!'s interface to buy it instead of going back to Eudora, but my trial period isn't over yet and I have a hankering for Virtual Folders). Mary Fons Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attachments when sending
Advantage: you're always sure you have the right version of the attachment that you actually sent or received (instead of a link/reference to the file you stored elsewhere on your hard drive, which you may have edited subsequently). Disadvantage: your mailboxes are bigger, since you're storing the attachment along with the rest. At 16:08 20/06/2004, you wrote: Can anyone tell me advantages and disadvantages of storing attachments in message bodies? Mary Fons Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
I don't want more windows
I'm beginning to suspect one of the more offputting things - for me - about Pegasus and The Bat! is the fact that windows seem to open up on me when and where I don't expect them to. I really like a single document interface, as Opera calls it, and subwindows that are all maximized within a regulated scheme. Is there something simple I can do about this behaviour? Maybe if I can fix that I could stick with The Bat! instead of returning to Eudora permanently (from M2). Mary Fons One window per program, please Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can I import a thawte certificate into The Bat!?
Hi Jim, on Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:08:31 -0600GMT, you wrote: JM Using The Bat! v%THEBATVERSION... This should be in your template for new message or reply, not in the message body. :-) JM Sorry...as I said, I just downloaded The Bat! yesterday. No need to be sorry. It was only meant for your information. :-) Try The Bat! and find out about its many features, and don't hesitate to ask when questions arise (they inevitably will arise *G*). -- Cheers Peter Always record your data! It indicates you have been doing something. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I don't want more windows
Hello M, Sunday, June 20, 2004, 1:31:40 PM, you wrote: M I'm beginning to suspect one of the more offputting things - for me M - about Pegasus and The Bat! is the fact that windows seem to open M up on me when and where I don't expect them to. I really like a M single document interface, as Opera calls it, and subwindows that M are all maximized within a regulated scheme. Is there something M simple I can do about this behaviour? Maybe if I can fix that I M could stick with The Bat! instead of returning to Eudora M permanently (from M2). Ughhh. :-) I remember we had this conversation on the TB lists about 5 years ago Ba (for those that remember grin) IMHO, for some programs SDI is ok (browsers, but even then, I don't use them as SDI), but with TB, I want to be able to move Windows around and reference back and forth. This is especially important on multi-monitor systems. I have the TB main window on the right screen and open e-mails (sized just right) on the left along with folders and whatnot. Making TB SDI would do the exact opposite for me. I'd have to go! grin -- :Leif_Gregory: (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Tagline of the day: Someone stole my electrolytic capacitor! Tom charged negatively. Using The Bat! 2.12 Beta/1 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Problems with extreme CPU power usage and slowly performing tasks...
Hello all, before I posted this, I had a look at the archive of the list and saw that other people had the problem before also, however, based on these threads, I have not yet been able to solve the problem at my computer yet. Here some details: I have been using The Bat! v2.10.03 and now The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A, on a Pentium 500 MHz (Intel Celeron), 128 MB RAM. It was my first install of The Bat! on my computer, and I have been having the problems, since the first install, with both versions. The problem is that when performing certain tasks, the CPU-usage goes up to as much as it can get (causing the system to use full CPU-power) and stays there, until it starts doing the task. During this time it does not transfer any data (not to the HD, nor to the net), so it seems there is some CPU-loop going on, which takes a lot of processing power and it takes a while to get out of this loop. The tasks where I have encountered this problem are: - sending and receiving email (the CPU hangs in between retrieving or sending messages, causing the whole process to take very long) - queueing or sending a message after having created it. The program just hangs for a while, not allowing any other actions in the meantime, until it closes the Edit window and puts the message in the outbox or sends it. - purge and compress folders. - at startup (while the startup screen is visible) - importing mailboxes from Eudora Pro mailbox files (this eventually took some days (It literrally took a weekend to import a lot of the stuff) and I still do not have all of it there). Also, as reported in previous reports of the problem, the program does not shut down properly; it stays active after it seems to have shut down (all windows are closed). However, it seems this only happens when one of the previous problems have happened a short time before closing the program. I have tried to get rid of the problem by doing the following: - not using any plugins: in 2.10.03 I did not have any installed; I tried installing BayesIt and then uninstalling it, but nothing had any effect. In 2.11.02 I found that BayesIt was active after installing; I removed it, but no change. - defragmenting my harddrives. Done that, but no change - purging compressing the mailfolders. Done that, but no change - Made a registry clean. No change. - Shut down Zone Alarm and AVG-anti-virus software. but no change So, it seems that there is definately a bug somewhere in The Bat!, that maybe does not occur on everyone's system, but it does occur on different system and the symptoms seem to be similar for everyone who gets it. It seems to have to do something with the routine to access an email folder, though not during the actual access, but shortly before accessing it. I have been using Process Explorer from Sysinternals to figure out with processes are active on the system. I should maybe try and find a program that gives me an even more detailed view of what The Bat! is doing while it hangs, so any suggestions for this are helpful. Perhaps, that way we can tell the programmers of The Bat! where the bug occurs, during which process so that they can look into it and solve it properly. It seems a serious bug from a commercial point of view as well, as I would not buy the program, if I cannot solve this problem. Any suggestions to help me solve this problem are of course welcome. Thanks in advance, sincerely, Marije Baalman Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SMTP Servers
Tuesday, June 22, 2004, Fredrik Bergström wrote: Actually, Telia (One of Swedens largest ISPs) blocks port 25 So connect through smtprelay.telia.com It's all buried somewhere on their site. (They changed their DNS:es too, so it might be worthwhile to take a look.) -- Urban My husband and I are either going to buy a dog or have a child. We can't decide whether to ruin our carpets or ruin our lives. (Rita Rudner) Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can I import a thawte certificate into The Bat!?
Tuesday, June 22, 2004, Jim McMaster wrote: Using The Bat! v%THEBATVERSION on %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %- %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build %- %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION It looks like you are trying to write macros directly in the editor. If you do it in the Address Book instead it will work better. Go to Tools - Address Book (or hit F8), find (or create) the entry you want to edit. If you create a new entry, the correct window will show automatically, if you choose to edit an existing one then right click on it and select Properties. You will see that there are a few tabs, among them New Message and Reply. Select the one you want, tick the little box that says Use a specific template for new messages. Can I import a thawte certificate into The Bat!? If so, how do I go about it? If it's your own certificate: Account - Properties - Edit Personal Certficates - Import (I think, I did it once _long ago_, but mostly for fun so I may have forgotten or remember it wrong.) -- Urban I gase at the brilliant full moon. The same one, I think to myself, at which Socrates, Aristotole and Plato gazed. Suddenly, I imagine they appear beside me. I tell Socrates about the national debate over one's right to die and wonder at the constancy of the human condition. I tell Plato that I live in the country that has come the closest to Utopia, and I show him a copy of the Constitution. I tell Aristotle that we have found many more than four basic elements and I show a periodic table. I get a box of kitchen matches and strike one. They gasp with wonder. We spend the rest of the night lighting farts. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I don't want more windows
IMHO, for some programs SDI is ok (browsers, but even then, I don't use them as SDI), but with TB, I want to be able to move Windows around and reference back and forth. This is especially important on multi-monitor systems. same here. i have dual monitor, and usually open the old mail on the right and write reply on the left by referring the old mail. i cannot imagine if i cannot move them around as separate windows. and these are really very personal opinions. if thebat goes to SDI, some other people is gonna complain :) -- Samson, using Agent newsreader Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problems with extreme CPU power usage and slowly performing tasks...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was Tue, 22 Jun 2004, at 20:44:32 +0200, @ @ when Marije Baalman wrote: I have been using The Bat! v2.10.03 and now The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A, on a Pentium 500 MHz (Intel Celeron), 128 MB RAM. FWIW, I use the same Windows (although with micro lite technology, and with Cacheman) and TB v2.xx.xx, and never had such problems. I have 192 RAM and a Celeron on 466 MHz. What you describe looks to me as a possible problem with memory (which causes additional use of CPU), but am not sure. - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast Antispam | 4 spam letters in last 34 h. o | 254 non-spam letters in last 34 h. y | By BayesIt! 0.5.5 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFA2Ioh9q62QPd3XuIRAoQqAJ4mVCn0HPPCIvRMtedcr4lNOYCHaQCgjOdb cYd7NLmQBqlaXE9P5oM0+bc= =m3OR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I don't want more windows
On Sunday, June 20, 2004, 8:31:40 PM, MFiF wrote: MF I'm beginning to suspect one of the more offputting things - for me - about MF Pegasus and The Bat! is the fact that windows seem to open up on me when MF and where I don't expect them to. I really like a single document MF interface, as Opera calls it, and subwindows that are all maximized within MF a regulated scheme. Personally I really, really didn't get on with Opera's tab'ed window scheme, and the only reason I continued my evaluation of Opera beyond the first few minutes was that it offered the alternative option of a separate window for each session. Similarly with MS Word: I much prefer the newer versions of MS Word that don't have that horrible MDI thing. I'm not quite sure why multiple windows works better for me; I expect many of these things are personal preferences. MF Is there something simple I can do about this MF behaviour? Maybe if I can fix that I could stick with The Bat! instead of MF returning to Eudora permanently (from M2). If The Bat! ever does move to a more MDI type interface, I hope that an option is retained to keep things the way they are now. Perhaps your example of Opera is the best way forward: Opera provides both options. MF Mary Fons One window per program, please Can we change that to At least one window per program, please? -- Using The Bat! v2.10.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Possible Help for Extreme CPU Usage and Slowness
I had a situation where The Bat! v2.0 (running on Win2K SP4) was using 100% of my CPU and taking forever to check mail and start up. So I got a little experimental, and I started perusing the various paths that The Bat! uses and found that my ACCOUNT.CFG file was 47MB. That seemed a tad bit odd to me. So I closed The Bat!, renamed ACCOUNT.CFG to ACCOUNT_BAK.CFG, started The Bat! up again, and have not had any problems since. The CPU issue and the slowness issue have disappeared. There were also no ill side effect as far as I can tell. I performed this experiment a couple of months ago when v2.0 first came out and everything has been fine since. I asked the list what exactly ACCOUNT.CFG did, and specifically, what would happen if it was absent. I didn't really get any replies so I'm not sure if it hurts to not have it. All that I can say is give this a try and keep your old file handy just in case. I would also highly recommend performing a backup in case you experience ill side effects. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problems with extreme CPU power usage and slowly performing tasks...
Hi all, after sending my message, I went to look for other monitor tools at Sysinternals, and found the FileMonitor giving some interesting results. I looked at the FileMonitor, while putting a message in the outbox, and saw that TheBat! is creating an awful amount of temporary files in the %TEMP% folder, it is just creating then and opening them for writeonly purposes. With an awful lot, I mean some hundreds. Occasionally (every 20 seconds) it looks for a file named: thebat.ipc in the Program folder (where TheBat! runs from), which it cannot find; I looked on my system and there is no such file on my system anywhere. TheBat! keeps making the .tmp files when it gets shutdown and stays active After having cleared out the bat*.tmp files from the %TEMP% folder, TheBat! seems to be faster and not to cause the problem anymore (though I stay sceptical of whether it may return). TheBat! is still looking for thebat.ipc every 10 seconds... what is this file for? sincerely, Marije Baalman Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Keep attachments in message bodies
Hello, Samson! S - vice versa: i don't think the above method is gonna work on the S other direction (or it does, my impression of failure was just caused S by the bug in the older version). anyway, use tools - backup, S there is an option to allow you to store external files in msg bodies. S then restore it. I've done it! (Backup-Restore): was: 136 Mb, now: 78! Thanks a lot! S no matter what you do, backup the entire mail directory beforehand to S avoid any data loss. such changes to large amount of data might be S very risky. It's very useful, I did this way. It helped! Thanks to everyone! -- Best regards, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Alexander Gladilin ICQ #154518000 Powered by TheBat! v2.11.04 Wednesday, June 23, 2004 1:19:52 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Need help for forwarding mail
==Original message text=== From: Feli Wilcke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WilWilWil on [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2004, 1:31:31 PM Subject: Need help for forwarding mail FW Hello WilWilWil, FW On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 00:04:41 +0200GMT(22.06.2004, 00:04 +0200, where I FW live), you wrote: I've got a problem : when I receive an e-mail with a picture attached, and when I want to forward just the picture to a friend, I click on the Forward button in TB . When I was using Outlook(I wasn't in the truth at this time ;-) ), this click open a new mail with just the picture attached and not the whole mail of the original sender. FW How did you do that in Outlook? When I forward a mail in Outlook2002 I FW have the same behaviour as in TB, attachment and text of the original FW mail. ===End of original message text=== Sorry, I would say that in OE, I can forward just the attached file, and ok, original text stay in the editor of the new mail like in the bat, but the original mail wasn't attached as a file, just his picture... But now I've understood that it is a parameter and I have unchecked 'Forward messages as attachment' (thanks to Roelof). I've also kill %text and now it's perfect ! Thanks, Bye -- WilWilWil [EMAIL PROTECTED] TB 2.11.02 Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Keep attachments in message bodies
Hello, Samson! S - it seems the file size is always wrong when you receive a msg with S attachment. there is always a couple of hundred byte deviation or so S for a 10K file. If you keep attachment separatly, column size shows the size of a message _without attachment_ at all! :) -- Best regards, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Alexander Gladilin ICQ #154518000 Powered by TheBat! v2.11.04 Wednesday, June 23, 2004 1:25:27 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Possible Help for Extreme CPU Usage and Slowness
Hallo Mike, On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:36:03 -0700GMT (22-6-2004, 22:36 +0200, where I live), you wrote: MD I asked the list what exactly ACCOUNT.CFG did, and specifically, what MD would happen if it was absent. account.cfg is the place where your account data are stored: address, servers, templates, etc If it's absent then you wouldn't have an address, couldn't check your mail, etc. Then again, it shouldn't be 47 MB, since mine is about 20 kB. So somehow yours had gotten corrupted. -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problems with extreme CPU power usage and slowly performing tasks...
Hallo Marije, On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 22:32:18 +0200GMT (22-6-2004, 22:32 +0200, where I live), you wrote: MB TheBat! is still looking for thebat.ipc every 10 seconds... MB what is this file for? IIRC When you start an instance of TB with command line parameters it'll create this file to store the instructions. As TB won't run with two instances, it'll close down immediately and the instance that's running already will take the command from the .ipc file. -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problems with extreme CPU power usage and slowly performing tasks...
Hallo Marije, On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 22:32:18 +0200GMT (22-6-2004, 22:32 +0200, where I live), you wrote: MB amount of temporary files in the %TEMP% folder, it is just creating MB then and opening them for writeonly purposes. With an awful lot, I MB mean some hundreds. TB is known to slow down with heavy populated %temp% folders. -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Possible Help for Extreme CPU Usage and Slowness
On 06/22/2004 02:57 PM, Roelof Otten wrote: account.cfg is the place where your account data are stored: address, servers, templates, etc If it's absent then you wouldn't have an address, couldn't check your mail, etc. Then again, it shouldn't be 47 MB, since mine is about 20 kB. So somehow yours had gotten corrupted. That obviously can't be the case. My installation of The Bat! is working fine. Something had to change, probably undocumented. The Bat! never re-created an ACCOUNT.CFG file and works just fine. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problems with extreme CPU power usage and slowly performing tasks...
Tuesday, June 22, 2004, Marije Baalman wrote: TheBat! is still looking for thebat.ipc every 10 seconds... what is this file for? The simple explanation is that it allows you to use the command line parameters to control The Bat while running. For a more detailed explanation and its use, you can go to the archives and look for the threads file not found thebat.ipc and thebat.IPC -- Urban The outcome of any serious research can only be to make two questions grow where only one grew before. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problems with extreme CPU power usage and slowly performing tasks...
Dear Marije, @22-Jun-2004, 22:32 +0200 (22-Jun 21:32 UK time) Marije Baalman [MB] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marije: ... snip MB TheBat! is creating an awful amount of temporary files in the MB %TEMP% folder, it is just creating then and opening them for MB writeonly purposes. With an awful lot, I mean some hundreds. These are parking zones for pre-imported messages. These can be impacted by the activities of aggressive AV software, that quarantine the embryonic messages in transit, locking them out and not letting TB retain access to them. MB TheBat! is still looking for thebat.ipc every 10 seconds... I see you have had a few answers, but nobody has given you the correct answer. 'IPC' stands for Inter Program Communication. You can drive a running TB from the outside by writing sets of command line parameter commands into this file. Once every 10 seconds, TB executes the contents and empties the file. This allows you to control TB from any external process without having to keep hitting it through the command line. -- Cheers -- ://.arck: //.arck List moderator and fellow end user TB! v2.12 Beta/1 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgpDoUxmkbJqO.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Full-width message list view
G. Minnerup, [GM] wrote: This was introduced in the latest version, I believe, or maybe I just didn't discover it earlier - but it suits me :-) Trouble is every time I restart TB! the Message List window covers the entire screen and I have to manually resize the display to bring the other TB! windows into view. Anyone else have that? Any suggested fixes? This sounds like a local problem. I've never seen that one reported in a long time and I don't have the problem here. The first thing to check would be to see if the shortcut you use to execute TB! is configured to run TB! maximized. Are you running any shell enhancement applications that could be interfering with the startup of TB!? -- -=[ :Allie: ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.12 Beta/3 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpsirgFF8BKc.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
