Re: Updating TB! - Knoppix on HDD, Wine and pretas, ghouls and other monsters
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~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 7 Dec 2006,
@ @ at 18:40:46 -0600, when Douglas Hinds wrote:
DH B Gates could be the devil.
Well, the impulse to control/rule just everything and yet due to
greediness is a demonic property, yes. Some call them hungry spirits,
Insatiable and born and raised to cheat and lie.
beings of artificial appetite that is impossible to satisfy, so
they are depicted as terribly skinny creatures with huge
balloon-alike stomachs.
Sounds like a ghoul.
Hungry ghost would be somewhat better term, yes, instead of hungry
spirit, although both are used. It is from Sanskrit preta, Japanese
gaki. (One of quite fine imagery is attached in copied message to
TBOT: preta-HungrySpirit-Ghost.jpg, 17.793) The entire picture/scroll
can be found here too:
http://www.arthistory-archaeology.umd.edu/resources/modules/monsters/sld021.htm.
This Tanka Art Galery (of Tibetan origin)
http://www.umma.lsa.umich.edu/Orient/Koelz/Tankas/tankas.html includes
plenty of imageries of various psychological functions/states as well.
...
I think that will work most of the time but it depends on the upgrade.
The logical thing to do would be to check with the TB! Tech support
Staff.
Yes, it works most of the time, but if there are some very special
changes in routines, one has to do a complete {up|down}grade (with
deinstall and new install).
That's why I have my OS's and Applications in different partitions.
(Data too).
This schema with three main partitions (OS | Programs | Data/Documents)
is the best/safest way. Many professionals find it as best solution too.
Often is done further division of the Data as well (e.g. private,
business etc.).
You could try it yourself and see does this speed match your
working habits, temperament (my best experiences so far are with
Knoppix 5.0.1 and the version of Wine coming with it). Except the
speed and some aesthetic quirks, slight twitches and
peculiarities, everything works, and as usual.
Knoppix runs from a CD. I have an older version (3.6) of it.
Knoppix also can be installed quite easily to hard disk as well (the
easiest Linux installation actually, but is not very known, taking about
20 minutes and being 98,7% automatic). Very easy instructions I have
sent recently to a TBOT (to a...member claiming he is not Dick
Whittington and who couldn't manage with it). If you want I can resend
these instructions.
Knoppix 5.5.1 (on CD and on HDD) is even better than 3.x versions
(having better version of Wine as well), but versions 3 also can be
installed on hard disk (the same procedure, you just call the
installation script that does everything needed). The 5.5.1 has three
types of installation: typical Debian one, then for beginners, and one
exactly as it is on CD (with a fine sexy female voice at the opening and
the closing of the system).
On TBUDL I think I already have sent instructions on how to install TB
in Linux using Wine.
TB! users are not main stream people and IMO, RitLab's targeting main
stream windows users at the expense of more resourceful individuals
was a mistake.
Well...appetites for popularity increase and the target group changes,
yes. Hence the needs of aristocracy of e-mailing world are not priority
anymore, as it was once upon a time, since the Fine Product has to be
spread among wide public masses as well (the very reason why the
Ministry of Silly Features and Ministry of Useless Wishes were
established), and hence the droop in quality. I resisted for a while,
and then found myself quite pleased with just watching it from the
gallery separe (and commenting on occasion, with or without petards and
tomatoes).
The TB! lists are an important resource but RitLab's tech support is
pretty good too. I've always gotten responses and a developer is going
to be much more competent than a lot of those insolent fools working
at larger corporations.
I've heard that they indeed are good and quite fair, although never had
need for their help, assistance. TB (expert) lists do indeed excellent
work, and lots of members here are quite helpful and effective. Most of
them are besides quite friendly, of undamaged nerves, literate and
genuinely civilized too, that contributes to the experience, so that I
almost feel as in old good times of TB being a mailer for real
aristocracy.
I used Calypso before discovering TB! and had a nightmarish experience
with it and especially, with their worse-than-nothing Dallas based
tech support staff.
I've heard about lots of such experiences too, with various
manufacturers.
Vista is said to be more stable than previous versions of windows and
RitLabs has announced that a Vista certified version of Tb! will be
released soon.
There you see. Windows become more and more specialized and picky in
order to defend their shaky stability. At the end they will finish as
Mac, in order to make an idiot-proof OS (being
Access Violation...'thebat.exe'.
Hello TBUDL, When trying to do a (Special) (Remind Later) and selecting (Search a message in other folders in case it is moved) and choosing what folders to search, upon clicking (Select All) (OK) I'm receiving an (Access violation at address OOBBAFC8 in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address E888AOOF. Can someone please shed some light on what might me happening here and possible solutions to fix this. -- Best regards, Tim The Bat! v3.85.03 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can someone explain HELO to me?
Hello Roelof Otten everyone else, on 06-Dez-2006 at 01:45 you (Roelof Otten) wrote: ASK Hmmm. I'd regard that as problematic just as well. My IP address ASK is dynamic and has nothing to do with the mail relayer that is set ASK for my domain. A reverse lookup in the HELO state would fail. But still it's what it's supposed to do. The EHLO should give a domain name that identifies the client system. When using an email client to relay messages thru the SMTP server of my ISP, my machine is not a part of the remote systems network. It has no domain name. Its just an SMTP client. On your LAN to your local mail server that can be your computer name, as it's likely that that will point to the right computer (it does on my LAN), but when you're talking to something else you should give a domain name or a literal address. AFAIK it doesn't matter which name is provided (as long as it is a unique identifier and not a reserved name like localhost), because it can not be verified by the remote system anyway (HELO should not be used for any sort of identification, thats done with the DNS, but in reality it is very well used for identifying and blocking relay attempts of spammers - which is ok for me). If I send a HELO something or HELO something.neurowerx.de has the same result, a received: from unknown (HELO ...) added to the message by the remote system. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) The release of atomic energy constitutes a new force too revolutionary to consider in the framework of old ideas. -- Harry S. Truman Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation...'thebat.exe'.
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : TH Hello TBUDL, TH When trying to do a (Special) (Remind Later) and selecting (Search a TH message in other folders in case it is moved) and choosing what TH folders to search, upon clicking (Select All) (OK) I'm receiving an TH (Access violation at address OOBBAFC8 in module 'thebat.exe'. Read TH of address E888AOOF. TH Can someone please shed some light on what might me happening here TH and possible solutions to fix this. It's a coding bug. The developers should take care of it. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias If it jams, force it. If it breaks, it needed replacing an Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Updating TB! - Knoppix on HDD, Wine and pretas, ghouls and other monsters
Howdy Mica, Friday, December 8, 2006, 2:49:10 PM, Mica wrotened: Knoppix runs from a CD. I have an older version (3.6) of it. MM Knoppix also can be installed quite easily to hard disk as well (the MM easiest Linux installation actually, but is not very known, taking about MM 20 minutes and being 98,7% automatic). Very easy instructions I have MM sent recently to a TBOT (to a...member claiming he is not Dick MM Whittington and who couldn't manage with it). If you want I can resend MM these instructions. 2) You should have your Windows imaged (Ghost v8 is quite fine) somewhere. (: 3) You should indeed download XOSL (it's freeware, and I think even open source) and install it, even without other OS (Linux) installed, to see how it works (it can work even with just one OS, and be useful for some things). Install it on C: drive. Strangely there was no 1). But as I recall these were the instructions. -- Have Fun, Ben Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] crashing The Bat! v3.86.8 ALPHA (beta) falling out of mid air with Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Billy's gonna be a `Boil-In-The-Bag' dinner soon! -- Crow Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Updating TB! - Knoppix on HDD, Wine and pretas, ghouls and other monsters
Hello Mica, DH That's why I have my OS's and Applications in different partitions. DH (Data too). This schema with three main partitions (OS | Programs | Data/Documents) is the best/safest way. Many professionals find it as best solution too. Often is done further division of the Data as well (e.g. private, business etc.). Organizing an efficient directory system isn't easy. It's like designing a Thesaurus and lets you know where to find what you're looking for. MM You could try it yourself and see does this speed match your MM working habits, temperament (my best experiences so far are with MM Knoppix 5.0.1 and the version of Wine coming with it). Except the MM speed and some aesthetic quirks, slight twitches and MM peculiarities, everything works, and as usual. DH Knoppix runs from a CD. I have an older version (3.6) of it. Knoppix also can be installed quite easily to hard disk as well (the easiest Linux installation actually, but is not very known, taking about 20 minutes and being 98,7% automatic). Very easy instructions I have sent recently to a TBOT (to a...member ... If you want I can resend these instructions. Knoppix 5.5.1 (on CD and on HDD) is even better than 3.x versions (having better version of Wine as well), but versions 3 also can be installed on hard disk (the same procedure, you just call the installation script that does everything needed). The 5.5.1 has three types of installation: typical Debian one, then for beginners, and one exactly as it is on CD (with a fine sexy female voice at the opening and the closing of the system). http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/ includes: knoppix-nsm/09-May-2006 06:09- knoppix-std/23-Jul-2003 15:39- knoppix/02-Jun-2006 18:00- knoppixmame/18-Feb-2004 21:02- The third one includes: KNOPPIX_V5.0.1CD-2006-06-01-DE.iso 02-Jun-2006 12:42 696M KNOPPIX_V5.0.1CD-2006-06-01-DE.iso.md5 02-Jun-2006 12:54 69 KNOPPIX_V5.0.1CD-2006-06-01-DE.iso.md5.asc 02-Jun-2006 16:42 305 X KNOPPIX_V5.0.1CD-2006-06-01-EN.iso 02-Jun-2006 12:49 696M KNOPPIX_V5.0.1CD-2006-06-01-EN.iso.md5 02-Jun-2006 12:55 69 KNOPPIX_V5.0.1CD-2006-06-01-EN.iso.md5.asc 02-Jun-2006 16:42 305 Index of /pub/linux/distributions/knoppix/docs has a Knoppix tutorial and HowTo-Burn However - Knoppix 5.5.1 is not there. So I went to: http://www.knoppix.org/ and they don't have it either. Are you sure about the version number? On TBUDL I think I already have sent instructions on how to install TB in Linux using Wine. I don't have access to the TBUDL archives on this computer. I'd have to look for it on the dutaint website. DH TB! users are not main stream people and IMO, RitLab's DH targeting main stream windows users at the expense of more DH resourceful individuals was a mistake. Well...appetites for popularity increase and the target group changes, yes. Hence the needs of aristocracy of e-mailing world are not priority anymore, as it was once upon a time, since the Fine Product has to be spread among wide public masses as well (the very reason why the Ministry of Silly Features and Ministry of Useless Wishes were established), and hence the droop in quality. I resisted for a while, and then found myself quite pleased with just watching it from the gallery separe (and commenting on occasion, with or without petards and tomatoes). DH The TB! lists are an important resource but RitLab's tech DH support is pretty good too. I've always gotten responses and a DH developer is going to be much more competent than a lot of DH those insolent fools working at larger corporations. I've heard that they indeed are good and quite fair, although never had need for their help, assistance. TB (expert) lists do indeed excellent work, and lots of members here are quite helpful and effective. Most of them are besides quite friendly, of undamaged nerves, literate and genuinely civilized too, that contributes to the experience, so that I almost feel as in old good times of TB being a mailer for real aristocracy. And the lists were so civilized. There was no gang banging then. DH I used Calypso before discovering TB! and had a nightmarish DH experience with it and especially, with their DH worse-than-nothing Dallas based tech support staff. I've heard about lots of such experiences too, with various manufacturers. I had 50 mg of encrypted email I couldn't access. A good friend from TBUDL (Conrad, who may still be lurking), helped me remedy that. (While Calypso's just sat there and smirked). DH Vista is said to be more stable than previous versions of windows and DH RitLabs has announced that a Vista certified version of Tb! will be DH released soon. There you see. Windows become more and more specialized and picky in order to defend their shaky stability. At the end they will finish as Mac, in order to make an idiot-proof
Re: Updating TB!
Wednesday, December 6, 2006, Mary Bull wrote: But MSI won't allow me to drop back. I'd have to do a full uninstall plus reinstall to do that. And it's too much hassle. MSI has an option to repair if file is missing or a different version is installed. So it /might/ work. Try going to Start - Run, and type msiexec /? and it will give you a nice li'l help screen -- Urban I don't know about you, but I enjoy watching paint dry. I imagine that the wet paint is a big freshwater lake that is the only source of water for some tiny cities by the lake. As the lake gets drier, the population gets more desperate, and sometimes there are water riots. Once there was a big fire and everyone died Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Updating TB! - Knoppix on HDD, Wine and pretas, ghouls and other monsters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA224 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Fri, 8 Dec 2006, @ @ at 17:56:29 -0600, when Douglas Hinds wrote: However - Knoppix 5.5.1 is not there. Sorry for making you busy for nothing and confused, it was my typo, and even twice. I espied it but was too late. So, the 5.0.1 is most recent version, 5.5.1 doesn't exist. I'll respond to the rest of your message later. Instructions on how to install it on HDD, I (re)send in response to Benedict's message. - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQCZAwUBRXoPtAYWnlFQ1cE7AQsRYAQeM0fhSeD43BKPgU0tz3Ulv7RO9AmrEOkz ZzqiLBkHF1kuhkXkUi0Gw3htuw5sN6SU478GIbntMFOPU+AXG3Dc0kgnkYBYftbQ oJp5dhbFTLMUWTspQpbhI8SeDJqw45gh3LxLhDkrSoMm3/oU/oNM7K690S/gFw1r Sa6YN/+64g9T3ABW =lXyJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Updating TB! - Knoppix on HDD, Wine and pretas, ghouls and other monsters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA224 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Fri, 8 Dec 2006, @ @ at 23:31:30 +, when Benedict Allen wrote: Howdy Mica, Friday, December 8, 2006, 2:49:10 PM, Mica wrotened: Knoppix runs from a CD. I have an older version (3.6) of it. MM Knoppix also can be installed quite easily to hard disk as well (the MM easiest Linux installation actually, but is not very known, taking about MM 20 minutes and being 98,7% automatic). Very easy instructions I have MM sent recently to a TBOT (to a...member claiming he is not Dick MM Whittington and who couldn't manage with it). If you want I can resend MM these instructions. 2) You should have your Windows imaged (Ghost v8 is quite fine) somewhere. (: 3) You should indeed download XOSL (it's freeware, and I think even open source) and install it, even without other OS (Linux) installed, to see how it works (it can work even with just one OS, and be useful for some things). Install it on C: drive. Strangely there was no 1). But as I recall these were the instructions. * In _this_ message, everything preceding the 2) is 1). You managed not only to mix up messages but the lists too. Why is so, we may just wonder... This is what I wrote, once upon a time, when I thought it's a well spent time (and I should be beaten for it, because I deserve it), on TBOT (but since it's useful for those wanting to try TB in Linux I'll resend this text here on TBUDL). Here it goes... ///--- Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: advice ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 14 Oct 2006, @ @ at 01:32:29 +0100, when Ben Allen wrote: Howdy Flying Rodent fans, I'm just writing here to get advice really. I have finally decided to take the plunge and experiment with linux. So I was about to start by creating a dual boot partition. Then I realised I had no idea what I was doing... So I came here looking for someone to point me in the right direction. And dont recommend a program that i have to pay for... coz i cant afford to pay for anything at the moment. Darn contract changes Download XOSL (Extended Operative System Loader), so any time you change something with your OSs, in terms of installing a new one, or reinstalling them (from an image or otherwise) you have just to go to DOS and run the XOSL to restore, or install anew, your boot sector(s), in practically seconds. I have several Linuxes and Windows, and am switching between them quite often, also rebuilding them and then re-installing them from images, so the tinkering with the boot processes, the order of OSs etc. is almost a daily routine, and is done very easy with XOSL. When you install Linux, don't install boot loader (Lilo or Grub) on MBR, but on the partition you install the Linux on, for if it goes to MBR it will overtake booting of all OSs you have, which is not very pretty (since they then depend on the particular OS/Linux, and besides you will have yet to tweak each additionally). Save this, anytime you (re)install a Windows anew, it will overtake MBR, screwing up your Linux boot loader. When you install Linux boot loader on the given Linux partition, you have just to run XOSL then and to line up all the systems you have -- with their original individual boot methods/sectors. It is same when you (re)install a Windows. *** If you are new to Linux...before you start with installation, run Partition Magic from Windows and make two Linux partitions: one of say 3 GB (you don't need more, even for biggest Linux) for the Linux package itself and one of say 250 MB for swap, so the installation will find them automatically and thus you will not be thrown into quite unfamiliar Linux' partition program(s) where you can screw up something quite easily, including your Windows installation/files (or even the whole disk). An ultra-easy way of installing Linux is to take _Knoppix_ 5.0.1, the live CD and to install it on HDD. It takes about 20 minutes for very average and perhaps even somewhat outdated machine (as to RAM, CPU) after which you have _completely tweaked/tuned_, and yet excellently, as to precision, security and stability, Linux. If you decide this, then just boot using the live CD, open Konsole (you will see the icon in quick start sector of the task bar) and type in this... sudo ./knoppix-installer ...hit [enter] button, and installation will start. When you are prompted for the type of installation, choose debian/typical/recommended, not beginner, for you'll be given more choices. (Once you became familiar with this one, you may safely kid with other two types/styles -- or simply make 3 Linux partitions at once and install them all, so you can scrutinize differences, it's very educative distro as well.) When you are prompted whether to install Grub (the boot
Re: Updating TB! - Knoppix on HDD, Wine and pretas, ghouls and other monsters
Hello Mica, However - Knoppix 5.5.1 is not there. Sorry for making you busy for nothing It wasn't for nothing and didn't take long. and confused, Confused? Never! it was my typo, and even twice. I espied it but was too late. So, the 5.0.1 is most recent version, 5.5.1 doesn't exist. Not yet, anyway. I'll respond to the rest of your message later. Real good. Instructions on how to install it on HDD, I (re)send in response to Benedict's message. I've already colored it important. -- Douglas Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
