Problems with Yahoo POP

[Martin]

Hi

TheBat has more and more problems with my POP account from Yahoo. I
set the configuration in Yahoo for "not sercure applications" - but
after login there is the error message

FETCH - Connection to host broken (last commands sent were: "PASS", "STAT")
  
Any idea?

Martin


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AW: Mod: Top posting (was: Bulk delete)

[Martin Schoch]

Hi, post came from mobile phone, client sent all quotation and I didn't noticed 
it. Sorry.

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Re: Bulk delete

[Martin Schoch]

Hi list

And when you sort by sender address and click first and last with shift, so you 
marked all and delete then all?

Regards, Martin

- Originale Nachricht -
Von: Thomas Fernandez <thomas.gm...@gmx.net>
Gesendet: Do., 11 Mai 2017 - 12:28
An: Robin Anson <tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com>
Betreff: Re: Bulk delete

> Hello Robin,
> 
> On Thu, 11 May 2017 18:15:02 +1000 GMT (11-May-17, 15:15 +0700 GMT),
> Robin Anson wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, 10 May 2017 at 15:44:44 -0500,Jack wrote:
>>> Is there a way to bulk delete messages from a particular email address?
>>> I'm thinking like CTRL>SELECT or CTRL_A.
> 
>> Alt-(left)click on the sender will display only emails from that
>> sender. Then CTRL+A and DELETE.
> 
>> Simple
> 
> That will work. Another way is to make a search for this sender, and
> you can do that accross folders and even accounts. Then you highlight
> one message in the results list, hit ctrl-A and then crtl-Del.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Cheers,
> Thomas.
> 
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> under Windows 10.0 Build 14393 
> 
> 
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Re: Bulk delete

[Martin Schoch]

- Originale Nachricht -
Von: Thomas Fernandez 
Gesendet: Do., 11 Mai 2017 - 12:28
An: Robin Anson 
Betreff: Re: Bulk delete

> Hello Robin,
> 
> On Thu, 11 May 2017 18:15:02 +1000 GMT (11-May-17, 15:15 +0700 GMT),
> Robin Anson wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, 10 May 2017 at 15:44:44 -0500,Jack wrote:
>>> Is there a way to bulk delete messages from a particular email address?
>>> I'm thinking like CTRL>SELECT or CTRL_A.
> 
>> Alt-(left)click on the sender will display only emails from that
>> sender. Then CTRL+A and DELETE.
> 
>> Simple
> 
> That will work. Another way is to make a search for this sender, and
> you can do that accross folders and even accounts. Then you highlight
> one message in the results list, hit ctrl-A and then crtl-Del.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Cheers,
> Thomas.
> 
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> under Windows 10.0 Build 14393 
> 
> 
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Re: wow, that's just awesome

[Martin]

Hi MFPA
>> Just take  a  look at that amazing things

> The link is blocked by my anti-virus.

Such an email should never reach the mailing list and you should never
try to open such a link. Over here filtered as SPAM.

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Re: IMAP ERROR "IMAP - Folder \ has empty IMAP name"

[Martin]

Hi Jonathan

On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 10:28:40 PM you wrote:

> I'm getting repeated error messages that make working in TheBat!
> unworkable:

> IMAP ERROR "IMAP  - Folder \ has empty IMAP name"

> What do I do?

Not good - but I am sorry I don't see any problems over here with all
my IMAP accounts and TheBat! with recent 32bit version

Are you shure this isn't a connection problem (Internet) or a problem
with the server of your provider?

Perhaps you give more information: Which version of TheBat!, 64 or 32
bit version and on which platform (Windows - which one).

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Re: Which one?

[Martin]

Hi Goos

On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 2:02:57 PM you wrote:

> For YOU it may be simple, for ME it is complicated. OK, installing is
> easy, but the next steps aren't. Why I need a public and a private
> key, and how to configure things in The Bat to get it all working at
> writng and receiving encrypted mails.

As I wrote - if you drive a car you have to learn a little bit about
how this works. With encrypted mail it's the same thing.

The private key (secret and save to store) is to sign YOUR mail and to
decrypt encrypted mail you get.

With your public key (which goes to public (server or some one else))
somebody can encrypt a mail to you.

> As I in my previous mails wrote about making two different templates,
> you wrote:
>  In the  editor window when you edit your message you can
>  push the button if you want to sign or / and encrypt the
>  message.
> THE button? It did not help me. Which button, where to find?

In the editor window you have two buttons: Sign and Encrypt your mail
https://i.imgur.com/UrmZZlb.png

> You also wrote:
>   send to the keyserver or your mail partners.
> Again: Keyserver? Which keyserver? Where? What does it cost?

GnuPG tools in gpg2win (GPA or Kleopatra) can send your key(s) to a
keyserver. This is free.

> OK, I was not motivated anymore to put those questions. No need
> anymore to answer them.

Strange... When you buy a mowing machine you read at first the manual.
Why don't you read the manual for GnuPG?

> After I also had made some remarks in Facebook,

I don't have Facebook.

>  I've got last evening
> a test mail from a guy which included a PGP key. So I reinstalled
> temporarily GnuPG but that did not make the mail more readable.

GnuPG doesn't make something with your mail It's the client which
takes care of the mail - GnuPG is used to encrypt or decrypt the
mail.

> I did not know what to do with that mail first and neither had the
> stimulus to find it out.

> As I wrote before.
> IF a real step-by step instruction from installing onto having sent
> and received enxrypted mail, I may have succeeded. For example,

Step for Step is difficult. Because there are different Email Clients
and there is no description for all.

> STEP 1:
> Open your browser and copy/paste this link in it to call this site:
>  https://gpg4win.org/download.html

Ok.

> STEP 2:
> Goto the map on your computer where that file is saved and click on it
> to install the program:

Ok.

> STEP 3:
> While installing your are prompted for .
> etc. etc. going on to send an encrypted mail to someone and receiving
> one where all works.

gpg2win is installing the GnuPG part on your computer. But you have to
enable your Email client to use GnuPG. So it depends on your mail
client what to to next - there are other steps to go.

 > OK, further discussion is pointless for me, as I removed all GnuPG stuff
> now and am satisfied with VPN.

Your removed GnuPG? So your are not willing to learn something new?

Well then - bye bye.

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Re: Which one?

[Martin]

Hi MFPA

On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 11:03:27 PM you wrote:

> I think the main issue is that most people cannot be bothered to 
> encrypt or digitally sign their email, irrespective of ease or 
> difficulty. Being unable to get friends or family members to do so is 
> almost the default.

As long as everybody tells you that to encrypt mails (with GnuPG or
other tools) is so complicated nothing will change - you are right.

But with gpg4win it is now quite simple to enable clients (TheBat,
Thunderbird, ClawsMail and more) to use GnuPG.

But it is true, prejudices are hard do brake.

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Re: Which one?

[Martin]

Hi Goos

On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 7:39:07 PM you wrote:

  > At first the GnuPG program did not install correctly, due to my protection
> tools. I had to delete it and clean the registry and then, after a reboot, a
> new install succeeded because I then was prepared to make whitelist entries
> in those tools.

If Windows 10 handles it so complicated - I can't give you any hint
because I am using Windows 7 and I will never change to Windows 10.

> Then keys had to be created. I did not understand why two of them, which
> costed time to read a manual - it is not really intuitive.

Why two? When you create your private key (with the secret and which
you have to save) also the public key is created which you send to the
keyserver or your mail partners. So not really complicated.

> Then The Bat had to be changed - I had to make templates for all my
> accounts; each time a template which did use the encryption and one
> who didn't. That failed.

Why this? You need (really?) only one template for an account. In the
editor window when you edit your message you can push the button if
you want to sign or / and encrypt the message.

>  Before I did not work with templates at all,
> just took TB as it was installed. Only years ago I added a macro that
> someone posted here and wrote where exactly to put it. Think, it was
> MAU.

Why to use macros? If you set your TheBat to German language the
templates for new mail, replay and forward are already there - also in
German.

> But further, I am not experienced at all with those functions of TB
> not interested in it.

Which features?

> Then I tried similar at another email program with another
> emailaddress to have at least some keys to exchange. I did not know
> how to implement them - had to search again where and how to handle
> that - meanwhile I was already completely demotivated by that all.
> I also failed to make there templates.

Again, why templates. And you don't have to "import keys" - this is
GnuPG which is handling with keys, not the email client.

Which other email client are you trying?

> Because I did not find a simple step-by-step instruction what where
> and when to do - I did not get such a help here - I asked for it in a social
> medium. Someone there offered my a free Skype course in PGP (not how
> to handle it in The Bat), but advised me to let it and to get VPN.

VPN isn't an alternative for encrypted mail in my opinion.

> I still do not really understand the function of those encryption
> programs, but simply followed Max' suggestion to install GnuPG as I
> asked which PGP tool I should install best. I even had to ask here
> whether gpg4win was the tool Max meant.

So you installed gpg4win?

> Then, no one of the people who I asked it for, was willing to use
> GnuPG or some other PGP tool - they also had negative experiences -
> too much time, too much to read and understand.

I don't have these negative experiences.

> I followed that VPN advise, accepted the offer from NordVPN and, with a
> little direct help from them (via a live chat on their site) the whole thing 
> was
> done and running within ten minutes, while that GnuPG was not working in TB
> for days.

For VPN I can't give support - as said, it's not an alternative IMHO.

> Implementing PGP in The Bat and getting it all working is complicated
> for someone who just wants his email more protected, but who is not
> really interested in lots of installing, configuring, reading docs and
> manuals and trying out such technical things.

To have something but not to be interested in - well this is "a little
bit" complicated I think. You want to drive but you are not interested
in traffic rules and to learn how to drive a car? Really?

PS. Wir können auch in Deutsch kommunizieren... privat, nicht hier in
der List. Chat auf XMPP.

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Re: Which one?

[Martin]

Hi Adrian

On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 6:04:35 PM you wrote:

> Irrespective  of  whether it is simple or not, how do you avoid asking
> everybody  else  whether  they  can  receive  PGP  mails and of course
> communicating the keys?

I am not sure if I understand your question correctly. But you must
have the public key of your addressee - so you download it from a key
server, download it from a Web site of the user or you already got a
sign message of him or you contact him once to get the key.

If you have it - you can send him encrypted mail. And if you sent him
your question with your signature he has your public key and he is
able to send you encrypted mail.

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Re: Which one?

[Martin]

Hi Goos

On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 4:21:39 PM you wrote:

> From my own experience and of two friends with whom I tried together to
> get it running, I completely disagree. It is NOT simple, it is complicated
> and has already cost me too much time.

Why? On Windows you install gpg4win and probably you have already
installed an email client which supports GnuPG. So you generate your
key and you are done.

What can be complicated with this?

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Re: Which one?

[Martin]

Hi Goos

On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 3:38:43 PM you wrote:

>  My conclusion: PGP is (still) something for interested freaks.

This is now quite old prejudice.

Email clients TheBat, Thunderbird or ClawsMail on Windows (also with
gpg4win installed) are very simple to use. On Linux it is simple as
well.

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Re: How to?

[Martin]

Hi Maggie

On Monday, April 10, 2017 3:10:55 PM you wrote:

> Okay, Thanks Martin, now I know a little more. 

One thing I would like to ask - which client are you using? The mail
header says:

RITLABS Mailer v4.2.44.2

Quite old IMHO.

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Re: Which one?

[Martin]

Hi Dirk

On Monday, April 10, 2017 8:23:38 AM you wrote:

> Mailbox.org generates a new key for the (new) adress - same you
> should do, if you set up an account at any other provider. This key
> is downloadable and ready for import in your local keyring, so you
> can use the key (and the mail account) outside the WebMail application.

With other words: The private key is stored on the server of the mail
provider? No, that is not secure in my opinion.

> Do you use WebMail from your local machine? I mean - if not, you
> will not have the problem. Otherwise: Why not use an dedicated mail
> client there? It's YOUR machine, you have the possibility to use one...

I am using email clients with GnuPG support and I don't like Webmail
at all. But the orignal post asked for GnuPG support for Webmail.

> If you don't like the idea to store all information about your keys
> in the browser - so try yubikey[4] (or any other OpenPGP smartcard).
> The secret key will not work without your yubikey, even if anyone
> has access to your (unsecured) machine.

As said - I am using TheBat (or ClawsMail, Thunderbird on Windows or
Linux, R2Mail2 on Android ) with GnuPG support and these clients are
calling the GnuPG with local stored keys. For me there is no need to
change something and such a setup can be used by other users, too.

> It's to tricky - you will use that once or twice. Afterwards we
> will have minimum one more user telling that encryption (and
> decryption) is a really nice feature but not for him, because it's so tricky 
> in use. ;-)

No, its not tricky.

> I used GPGRelay [3] for a long time - it was (is) a local relay
> server, signing (or encrypting) all outgoing mail and decrypting
> incoming - with minimal interaction (caching passphrases locally for
> some time) with the user. But unfortunately it was discontinued some years 
> ago.

Yes I know this, too. Also a good solution if you want encyrypt/sign
all your mail. With clients you are more flexible to choose what you
will do - encrypt, sign, both or nothing - according to your
addressee.

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Re: Which one?

[Martin Schoch]

Hi Dirk

Thanks for your input.

On Sunday, April 9, 2017 9:48:11 AM you wrote:
> I personally use Mailbox.org [1], but there are some others too. [2]

Ok. But if you really want to setup a fresh new account to use GnuPG?

> Generally  you  can  try  to  use  Mailvelope  [3]  for  most  webmail
> applications. It's a browser extension enabling OpenPGP.

I am not happy with this solution. Why to setup the keys or import (to
which location) your keys again? I want to use GnuPG on my local
machine with keys stored on my local machine.

>> You could use WinPT to encrypt your mail
>> locally and copy the encrypted ascii armor file to the webmail text
>> field. But this is not a very nice solution IMHO.

> I would *not* recommend this.

And why not?

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Re: How to?

[Martin]

Hi Maggie

I am using GnuPG sometimes - so I am not a power user. Perhaps I can
try to answer your questions... ;-)

On Saturday, April 8, 2017 2:57:10 PM you wrote:
> 1. I largely use text and not html to communicate. Using GnuPG
> seems to take up lots of space. Do I remember correctly that
> proper email etiquette advocated no more than 6 lines in a sig,
> or, is that just a piece of the past that just stuck in my
> memory?

The GPG key doesn't go into the signature - its a own element in the
text or inline

> 2. How will correspondents using smart phones manage this 
> considering the screen size?

I don't understand your question. The key is mostly not displayed with
the client so there is no "screen size" problem.

> 3. For correspondents who don't use a dedicated email program
> such as TheBat! handle this if they are using web mail?

There are differnet email clients which are supporting GnuPG (Windows, Linux,
Android).

> 4. When replying without trimming in an email thread, this could
> potentially take to not only scroll through, but to even find the
> actual email amidst all the other security characters?

Email clients which are supporting GnuPG don't include key in the
reply.

> 5. Are these questions also relevant to PGP or only GnuPG?

I am using GnuPG - don't know PGP at all.

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Re: How to?

[Martin]

Hi Goos

On Friday, April 7, 2017 6:32:05 PM you wrote:

> Trying to create a footer in which recievers of my mail are invited
> to use Gnu PG encryption and  my public key has to be added.
> Is there an easy way to automate that, or do I have to add manually
> a TXT file with that info?

You can sign your message with your signature - and this will contain
your public key and the other side can import this.

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Re: Which one?

[Martin Schoch]

Hi Goos

On Friday, April 7, 2017 5:03:18 PM you wrote:

> Then, I have to convince first some to also install GnuPG in their
> mailclient - if they are using webmail, thea, in turn, have to ask
> that to their admins?

Mail on Webmail with GnuPG is quite difficult - I don't know any
provider which support this. You could use WinPT to encrypt your mail
locally and copy the encrypted ascii armor file to the webmail text
field. But this is not a very nice solution IMHO.

To use GnuPG is better with mail client (like TheBat or
Thunderbird/Enigmail or ClawsMail for Windows and more for Linux and
others for Android).

https://gnupg.org/software/frontends.html

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Re: Which one?

[Martin]

Hi,

> But fourth..
> I do not understand this really.
> Can I now encrypt any message or only those to people who also use
> PGP?
> Do I have to contact them all first to ask that?

First: PGP is not GnuPG. It seems that you installed now GnuPG
Second: You can encrypt mail to people where you have their public key
in your public key ring. So you have to contact them to get the public
key or you download it from a keyserver - if it is stored there.

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Re: Which one?

[Martin]

Hi

> Under Preferences I added as the GnuPG External Key Manager the file 
> kleopatra.exe
> which seems to be the managing GUI.
> But that file does not start after calling the OpenPGP Manager in The Bat to 
> create the
> keys.
> So, I do not know how to go on now.

You can start Kleopatra as standalone program which was installed by
gpg4win. Does this work? So there you can create your key.

Then in TheBat you have to add in GnuPG configuration where the key
files are stored.

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Re: Lost default folders

[Martin Schoch]

Hi list

> Have you tried crtl-alt-del-L?

Hmm - what is this? Never saw this shortcut. I only I know this one:
"ctrl-alt-del".

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Lost default folders

[Martin Schoch]

Hi list

I have several POP and IMAP accounts - no problem at all.

When I remember correctly there was on first install of TheBat also
some default folders for inbox, sent, trash - but I can't find these
folders. Any chance to restore them?

TheBat! 7.4.2 /32 on Win7 / OTF

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POP via SSL, Port 995 - certificate problem

[Martin Schoch]

Hello

On one account I am downloading the mail from POP via SSL on port 995.

The provider changed the certificate and now I get very time when
TheBat tries to download the mail an error window about an unknown
certificate. The show certificate is grayed out.

The connection log:

 03.07.2013, 16:44:25: FETCH - Initiating TLS handshake
03.07.2013, 16:44:25: FETCH - Certificate S/N: 0x, algorithm: RSA(2048 
bits), issued from 6/29/2013 10:21:25 AM to 7/2/2017 8:35:27 AM, for 20 
host(s): .
03.07.2013, 16:44:25: FETCH - Owner: p/QKEpiqy0uRMyrhr9, CH, Switzerland, 
Zuerich, METANET AG, seth.hostorama.com.
03.07.2013, 16:44:25: FETCH - Issuer: US, GeoTrust, Inc., GeoTrust SSL CA.
!03.07.2013, 16:44:25: FETCH - TLS handshake failure. Invalid server 
certificate (The issuer of this certificate chain was not found).

But in the address book Trusted Root CA different certificates for
GeoTrust are stored - they are valid.

After clicking continue anyway with ok the mail is then downloaded.

Question: Is it possible to turn off this error window?

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Re: POP via SSL, Port 995 - certificate problem [Solved]

[Martin Schoch]

Hello list

Seems that this was a miss-configuration on the server. After telling
the problem to my provider it seems that the changed something and
asked me to make some tests - is ok now and the error message has
gone.

Thanks.

Am Mittwoch, 3. Juli 2013 um 16:52 schrieben Sie:


 Hello

 On one account I am downloading the mail from POP via SSL on port 995.

 The provider changed the certificate and now I get very time when
 TheBat tries to download the mail an error window about an unknown
 certificate. The show certificate is grayed out.

 The connection log:

  03.07.2013, 16:44:25: FETCH - Initiating TLS handshake
03.07.2013, 16:44:25: FETCH - Certificate S/N: 0x, algorithm: RSA(2048 
bits), issued from 6/29/2013 10:21:25 AM to 7/2/2017 8:35:27 AM, for 20 
host(s): .
03.07.2013, 16:44:25: FETCH - Owner: p/QKEpiqy0uRMyrhr9, CH, Switzerland, 
Zuerich, METANET AG, seth.hostorama.com.
03.07.2013, 16:44:25: FETCH - Issuer: US, GeoTrust, Inc., GeoTrust SSL CA.
 !03.07.2013, 16:44:25: FETCH - TLS handshake failure. Invalid
 server certificate (The issuer of this certificate chain was not found).

 But in the address book Trusted Root CA different certificates for
 GeoTrust are stored - they are valid.

 After clicking continue anyway with ok the mail is then downloaded.

 Question: Is it possible to turn off this error window?



Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Recipient Photo

[Thomas Martin]

Hello The Bat! fans,

is it possible that when marking the Send folder, that in the top of
the  message  preview  pane  the  photo  of the recipient and not the
senders image (me) appears?

Of course those images are in the address book.

Thanks

-- 
Regards
Thomas Martin

Using The Bat! beta 5.2.2.1



Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

IMAP: working offline

[Martin Schuster]

Dear List,

The message that appears when deleting the cache of an IMAP folder
(something like if you modified anything while being offline all your
changes will be lost) suggests that working offline with IMAP might
be possible. However I noticed that when I am not connected to my IMAP
server, deleting messages is not possible.

I know about the basic concepts of IMAP, but was hoping for TB to use
the cache while I am offline and do the deleting of the mails later,
when connected.

Is there a setting to make this possible, maybe?

Thanks,
Martin



Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Move TheBat! to an other HD

[Martin Schoch]

Hi

How is the best way to move a TheBat! installation (OTFE with
password) to a new hard disk with all messages, filters, options? Old
hard disk is still readable.

-- 
Thanks
Martin



Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Splash Screen

[Martin Schneider]

Hello Peter,

Friday, January 15, 2010, 6:36:46 PM, you wrote:

 can anybody tell me where The Bat! stores the splash screen that shows
 on startup?

It is stored within the EXE. If you use a tool like MultiExtractor you
can see all the files within an EXE-file.

You  can  check by yourself www.multiextractor.com. You can download a
demo version where you see what is inside however you can't save that.



-- 
Best regards,
 Martinmailto:mr_t...@arcor.de



Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: MACRO list in TB! help file

[Thomas Martin]

Hello Privateofcourse,

on Tuesday, 14.
July 2009, at 17:03:33 [GMT +0200] you wrote regarding MACRO list in
TB! help file:

  Does anyone know whether the MACRO list in the latest help file distributed
  with TB! is current and exhaustive?

There is one in German available, perhaps it helps a bit.
http://www.thebatworld.de/system/sections/index.php?op=viewarticleartid=108

-- 
Ciao

Thomas

Cannot find a quick template TO_EN

Using:  TheBat! 4.2.7.1
System: Windows XP Build 2600 Service Pack 3
PGP:Key-ID: 0x70D9F03B
Visit:  TheBat! World on http://www.thebatworld.de



Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Looking for a NNTP plugin for TB

[Thomas Martin]

Hello Thomas,


Ihre Nachricht vom  Sonntag, 22. März 2009, um 18:17:32 [GMT +0100]
zum Thema Looking for a NNTP plugin for TB:

 I have been using MyGate for years and it is simple and works.

Same here. Since the beginning. No problems at all!

-- 
Ciao

Thomas

Using:  TheBat! 4.1.11.8
System: Windows XP Build 2600 Service Pack 2
PGP:Key-ID: 0x70D9F03B
Visit:  TheBat! World on http://www.thebatworld.de



Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Manual for The Bat! suitable for printing?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Vili,

C I'm  just  wondering  if  there  is  a  printable manual available?

 PDF manual for TB:
 http://www.thebat.hu/Download/The_batv4018MANUAL.pdf

Wouldn't have harmed to mention what language that document is
in...would've saved the internet some megabytes of transferred data I
guess.

For the record: the above document is NOT english...


-- 
Martin
TB! 4.0.32.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3



Current version is 4.0.38.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

IMAP: delete attachments on server

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Tbudl,

I'm currently testing IMAP, and noticed that when I delete an
attachment from a message and then move the message to another folder
the attachment is back there. Purging the folder before moving the
message did not help.

Is it possible with IMAP to delete only the attachment from a message?

-- 
Martin
TB! 4.0.32.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3



Current version is 4.0.38.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

HTML Messages

[O. Martin Moran]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1




Hi folks,

I'm sorry, this is a VERY newbie question from a user of a couple of
years, however:  how can I get TB! to display html messages, formatted
with graphics and everything else, in the message viewer pane or when
I double click to open a message?  They don't show the graphics at
this point and I'm wondering if I've just missed a checkbox or something.

It's annoying to have HTML support and STILL have to double click the
attachment to view it properly.

Thanks.

- --
Martin Moranommoran at telusplanet dot net
Beaumont, Alberta

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/ommoran/publickey.txt

When you're caffeinated, all is right with the world
Using The Bat! v.4.0.34
PGP Public Key Fingerprint:  CEF6 48D8 73FC 2A36 3287  FC20 CAEC 75D1 9C58 B861

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2
Comment: Always use an envelope.  Encrypt your e-mail with PGP.

iQA/AwUBSRmu+srsddGcWLhhEQLyVACg5Ewvn+oSgeP1W1+sYc0a2MP8vhgAn2v2
R3BDiYtNSBmcF3J1xnegn4zV
=9weL
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: HTML Messages

[O. Martin Moran]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1




On Tuesday, November 11, 2008 at 9:43:14 AM, Bob wrote:

BR Go to Options-Preferences and then click on the main viewer-editor
BR line to open a window.  There, look at the viewing of .html
BR window - you get four choices, I believe.

Thanks for the reply.  I have both of those set to HTML only and it still 
doesn't
work.  Any other ideas?

- --
Martin Moranommoran at telusplanet dot net
Beaumont, Alberta

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/ommoran/publickey.txt

When you're caffeinated, all is right with the world
Using The Bat! v.4.0.34
PGP Public Key Fingerprint:  CEF6 48D8 73FC 2A36 3287  FC20 CAEC 75D1 9C58 B861

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2
Comment: Always use an envelope.  Encrypt your e-mail with PGP.

iQA/AwUBSRnhPcrsddGcWLhhEQKu9gCgtvvzAEY/Cwc9sdqLVBbfNnbS5VEAoP0g
6zguzUJYFnNmGgumHD/iGKA1
=W2Yv
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: HTML Messages

[O. Martin Moran]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1




On Tuesday, November 11, 2008 at 12:53:04 PM, Stuart wrote:

SC open you can select which images you want to allow to be downloaded. Once
SC allowed they will open from then on. You can do this manually each time or
SC select Show this Window Automatically at the bottom.

There it was!  Thank you so much for the help, that is
outstanding@

- --
Martin Moranommoran at telusplanet dot net
Beaumont, Alberta

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/ommoran/publickey.txt

When you're caffeinated, all is right with the world
Using The Bat! v.4.0.34
PGP Public Key Fingerprint:  CEF6 48D8 73FC 2A36 3287  FC20 CAEC 75D1 9C58 B861

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2
Comment: Always use an envelope.  Encrypt your e-mail with PGP.

iQA/AwUBSRnkw8rsddGcWLhhEQI0SwCfZVuKYa1nNQROZBtb4udcv640q0QAn12a
MRlOzShw2bH9yeta84gt0BTH
=jH45
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Google Gadget

[O. Martin Moran]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1




Hi everyone,

I've installed the Google Desktop search and am using the indexing
plug-in, and they seem to work really well.

Now I'm wondering if there is a gadget that displays the new mail in
the sidebar? I can use the one from Google, but due to the sorting I
undertake, I would  take a long time to do.  I just want something
that reads the contents of my inbox, and no other folders...

Just curious.  Thanks!

- --
Martin Moranommoran at telusplanet dot net
Beaumont, Alberta

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/ommoran/publickey.txt

When you're caffeinated, all is right with the world
Using The Bat! v.4.0.34
PGP Public Key Fingerprint:  CEF6 48D8 73FC 2A36 3287  FC20 CAEC 75D1 9C58 B861

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2
Comment: Always use an envelope.  Encrypt your e-mail with PGP.

iQA/AwUBSRnnx8rsddGcWLhhEQKhrgCgujpGvCQ/rMbsvjbmKicnrAI7FjYAoO7E
Nyr52caP7AG82Oyx0J2fcjGB
=hlri
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Last working version of TB! that does not lose messages

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Tbudl,

I am using 4.0.34 as you can see in my signature, and this last MSI
version loses messages when folder properties are changed.

Ritlabs, please advise your customers which version to use (and where
to download it) that does not contain this terrible and dangerous
showstopper!

-- 
Martin
TB! 4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3



Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Very annoyed indeed: messages vanished

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Simon,

There was a report that messages disappear when you change folder
properties. The workaround is to not change folder properties until
the next version comes out.

Experienced the same problem myself. Hope Ritlabs uploads a new
install version soon.

-- 
Martin
TB! 4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3



Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Help with a filter

[O. Martin Moran]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1




On Thursday, September 4, 2008 at 1:12:34 AM, Roelof wrote:

RO The easiest way to do so, is to create a
RO filter that checks for the sender and moves to a folder and a
RO subfilter that deletes when the subject isn't your favourite subject.

Thank you so much for all the help, everyone, I will try it.  Roelof,
I appreciate your patience, and yes, I could probably have explained
it better.

Thanks again!

- --
Martin Moranommoran at telusplanet dot net
Beaumont, Alberta

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/ommoran/publickey.txt

When you're caffeinated, all is right with the world
Using The Bat! v.4.0.28.3
PGP Public Key Fingerprint:  CEF6 48D8 73FC 2A36 3287  FC20 CAEC 75D1 9C58 B861

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2
Comment: Always use an envelope.  Encrypt your e-mail with PGP.

iQA/AwUBSMC7t8rsddGcWLhhEQJGUQCfcG8bjjdjT8G6dmMJxl32E/jMQmIAoMH8
N0qm1CAowYsemEDKuCtId2t5
=YJRo
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Help with a filter

[O. Martin Moran]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1




On Wednesday, September 3, 2008 at 10:02:29 AM, Jens wrote:

JF NOT is your Friend:

JF If Sender is E-Mail
JF AND
JF Subject is-NOT Favorite-Subject
JF DO
JF delete the Mail

Which I have now.  But how do I then get it to filter that message
that I do want into the appropriate folder?

I will try the two filters method.

- --
Martin Moranommoran at telusplanet dot net
Beaumont, Alberta

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/ommoran/publickey.txt

When you're caffeinated, all is right with the world
Using The Bat! v.4.0.28.3
PGP Public Key Fingerprint:  CEF6 48D8 73FC 2A36 3287  FC20 CAEC 75D1 9C58 B861

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2
Comment: Always use an envelope.  Encrypt your e-mail with PGP.

iQA/AwUBSL9HasrsddGcWLhhEQKdigCgvbPOAxrPXoynHrCvZlqDGtYmO9oAnRNT
LOX4GGGQ+anMKL1ejxkCGKk2
=+xfA
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Help with a filter

[O. Martin Moran]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1




Hi folks,

I'm trying to figure out how to get a filter to work.  I subscribe to
something that sends a number of things, and you can't select what you
want and what you dont.

I'm looking to have a filter say:

If SENDER is [EMAIL PROTECTED] delete the message
Unless SUBJECT is SUBJECT THAT I WANT

I tried doing the first as the filter and the second as a sub filter,
no luck.  I tried doing the second as a part of the main filter, also
no go.

Any help appreciated!

- --
Martin Moranommoran at telusplanet dot net
Beaumont, Alberta

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/ommoran/publickey.txt

When you're caffeinated, all is right with the world
Using The Bat! v.4.0.28.3
PGP Public Key Fingerprint:  CEF6 48D8 73FC 2A36 3287  FC20 CAEC 75D1 9C58 B861

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2
Comment: Always use an envelope.  Encrypt your e-mail with PGP.

iQA/AwUBSL4NicrsddGcWLhhEQJjzQCgurjM6i7uu4C8jiy4kfegyobUzKAAn2KD
FJZ+t9TelWWO5Jts2W8xnxoZ
=XPyP
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

New thread sorting: what's wrong with it? (repost from tbbeta)

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Tbudl,

Maybe the beta list was the wrong place to post this in the first
step, because it might not be a beta issue...so I try and repost it
here. I have this problem:

 http://www.nachbild.de/temp/tb_new_thread_sorting.png

 I have this list sorted by creation date, with new thread sorting
 activated.

 As far as I understand it, that option sorts a thread into the list
 according to its newest item, right?

 As you can see from the screenshot the marked thread is
 clearly not sorted by its newest item, because that item is from 31.07., the
 item below is from 28.07. and the item above is from 30.07. Looks like
 the item used for sorting is the first item, from 29.07.

 Am I sitting on my brain, or what's going wrong there? Seems to me
 this already worked some versions ago, didn't it?

-- 
Martin
TB! 4.0.26 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3



Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: How to point TB to by Opera browser?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Michael,

 Where do I add the path and application of my browser in TB? I
 really can't see anywhere to change this in TB.

I'd say this is rather an OS setting, which program to use for HTML
protocol links. You might want to check the setting in Opera itself:

Tools - Preferences - Advanced - Programs (on the left) - Check
if Opera is the default browser on startup - Details

There should be a checkbox at least at:

- HTML- Documents
- http
- https


Hope this helps!

-- 
Martin
TB! 4.0.20.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2



Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: PGP 8.1 weirdness

[O. Martin Moran]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1




On Monday, March 3, 2008 at 7:30:44 AM, MFPA wrote:

M Decrypting/verifying is fine. Encrypting/signing randomly fails
M to work, and when it fails it disables all pgp functions until
M PGPserv.exe and TB! are restarted. It is random but frequent
M enough that signing/encrypting either automatically or
M manually using TB!'s built-in PGP support is not a viable option
M for me

Well, allow me to vindicate you and tell you that, regularly, I am
repeating the problem.

- --
Martin Moranommoran at telusplanet dot net
Beaumont, Alberta

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/ommoran/publickey.txt

When you're caffeinated, all is right with the world
Using The Bat! v.4.0.14
PGP Public Key Fingerprint:  CEF6 48D8 73FC 2A36 3287  FC20 CAEC 75D1 9C58 B861

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2
Comment: Always use an envelope.  Encrypt your e-mail with PGP.

iQA/AwUBR8zOhsrsddGcWLhhEQLcZgCguMwDFcnne9313/O15QAVwd25T58Anjj8
7P+15d/qxY9A6LX1ni+Sl5el
=lAzu
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 4.0.14.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

PGP 8.1 weirdness

[O. Martin Moran]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1





Hi,

There is something weird going on with The Bat! 4.0.14 and PGP 8.1.
I find that if I go to encrypt something and get as far as the
select keys to encrypt to screen, then back out, both The Bat! and
PGP 8.1 need a restart.

Any advice?

- --
Martin Moranommoran at telusplanet dot net
Beaumont, Alberta

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/ommoran/publickey.txt

When you're caffeinated, all is right with the world

PGP Public Key Fingerprint:  CEF6 48D8 73FC 2A36 3287  FC20 CAEC 75D1 9C58 B861

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2
Comment: Always use an envelope.  Encrypt your e-mail with PGP.

iQA/AwUBR8sWn8rsddGcWLhhEQKfXgCdGVFq3j9acLebQM40rRf5QTCCrFAAn2s4
RHluQGkdxzW6kHxDNivHDAOr
=aIfm
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 4.0.14.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

PGP 8.1 weirdness (redux)

[O. Martin Moran]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1




Further, it shows an access violation to the PGP SDK every once in a
while, after shut down of The Bat!

- --
Martin Moranommoran at telusplanet dot net
Beaumont, Alberta

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/ommoran/publickey.txt

When you're caffeinated, all is right with the world
Using The Bat! v.4.0.14
PGP Public Key Fingerprint:  CEF6 48D8 73FC 2A36 3287  FC20 CAEC 75D1 9C58 B861

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2
Comment: Always use an envelope.  Encrypt your e-mail with PGP.

iQA/AwUBR8sZGsrsddGcWLhhEQIOOQCg5PSpBYEj8N0g5nG33NvGHHjHqZsAoImC
0DV/oTY8kANtEsxXplkCq72i
=ijhV
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 4.0.14.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: PGP 8.1 weirdness

[O. Martin Moran]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1




On Sunday, March 2, 2008 at 2:22:06 PM, Peter wrote:

PM Sorry, no. The last version of PGP I used was 6.5.8ckt. (I still use
PM it for PGP-disk.) I prefer GnuPG now. Your signature verifies good
PM here though. :)

It is something to do with the SDK, as I get the occasional error
from the SDK on it.

- --
Martin Moranommoran at telusplanet dot net
Beaumont, Alberta

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/ommoran/publickey.txt

When you're caffeinated, all is right with the world
Using The Bat! v.4.0.14
PGP Public Key Fingerprint:  CEF6 48D8 73FC 2A36 3287  FC20 CAEC 75D1 9C58 B861

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2
Comment: Always use an envelope.  Encrypt your e-mail with PGP.

iQA/AwUBR8sdG8rsddGcWLhhEQKHeACfcItFplHVrBJuJdN9v4PXNuM+lAcAn1Am
xyV4mowiBPUYnd92ucXm+sqH
=sFXn
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 4.0.14.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: The Bat 4.x and PGP 9.x

[O. Martin Moran]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

On Sunday, February 24, 2008 at 3:00:07 AM, Mark wrote:

MP I don't know if PGP 9 has ever worked with TB! I seem to remember some
MP people had problems when PGP 9 became available, but I don't know if
they
MP were ever able to use it (in an integrated way) with TB!

MP Personally, I never stopped using PGP 8.0.2, which works fine in
combination
MP with TB!

Hi Mark,

Thanks for the information, I certainly appreciate it.

- -- 
Martin Moranommoran at telusplanet dot net
Beaumont, Alberta   

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/ommoran/publickey.txt

When you're caffeinated, all is right with the world

PGP Public Key Fingerprint:  CEF6 48D8 73FC 2A36 3287  FC20 CAEC 75D1 9C58
B861

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: PGP Desktop 9.0.6 (Build 6060)
Comment: Always use an envelope - encrypt your e-mail with PGP.

iQA/AwUBR8GlqMrsddGcWLhhEQKMFwCg3nyvCvO6Jdi1ivcymV93qY20BwIAoNGq
DLsg4Sf8VEGDlqgnhw2hJ77V
=+ok4
-END PGP SIGNATURE-




Current version is 4.0.14.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: The Bat 4.x and PGP 9.x

[O. Martin Moran]

On Sunday, February 24, 2008 at 10:17:53 AM, Rick wrote:

RG I just stole your tag - no shame, no apologies :

Used for years, came from my own little brain.  Proud of it and you
are more than welcome to use it.

-- 
Martin Moranommoran at telusplanet dot net
Beaumont, Alberta   

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/ommoran/publickey.txt

When you're caffeinated, all is right with the world

PGP Public Key Fingerprint:  CEF6 48D8 73FC 2A36 3287  FC20 CAEC 75D1 9C58 B861



Current version is 4.0.14.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

The Bat 4.x and PGP 9.x

[O. Martin Moran]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1


Hi there,

I have searched, so I'm sorry if I have missed this.  However, I am
trying to set up PGP Desktop 9.0.6 to work via the bat.  Right now I
have to use the tray icon.

Is there any way around this?  Thank you all you helpful tbudl folks!

- -- 
Martin Moranommoran at telusplanet dot net
Beaumont, Alberta   

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/ommoran/publickey.txt

When you're caffeinated, all is right with the world

PGP Public Key Fingerprint:  CEF6 48D8 73FC 2A36 3287  FC20 CAEC 75D1 9C58
B861

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Current version is 4.0.14.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: Spelling language settings

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Jenny,

MS %LANGUAGE=CSAPI GN%-

 from the help file:
 LANGUAGE=Language ID
 Sets the default spell checker.
 Language IDs:
[...]
 GN - German (new spelling)
 GO - German (old spelling)
[...]
 Prefix the ID with CSAPI to use respective dictionaries for the language if 
 they are installed.
 Note: CSAPI is only supported until those dictionaries installed
 with Oficce 97 or one of its component applications!

Yeah, that would exactly match with my old statement:

%LANGUAGE=CSAPI GN

But as I said: it worked in v3, but it doesn't in v4. That's my
problem.

-- 
Martin
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Re: Spelling language settings

[Martin Schuster]

Hello A.Translator,

 Jenny Zonneveld formuleerde op dinsdag :
 How do I get the language in the template to work

 Change %language=NL to  %language=DU NL in your template.

How did you get to know this? As I reported in Set default spell
check language or use Makro on TBUDL
(mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) I have the same problem
with the german CSAPI language...do you have that code too, by chance?

Old one was:

%LANGUAGE=CSAPI GN%-

-- 
Martin
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Set default spell check language or use Makro

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Tbbeta,

I have the following macro in my quicktemplates to
switch to the german spell checker:

%LANGUAGE=CSAPI GN%-

That worked in 3.99.29, but does not work any more in 4.0.11.

CSAPI is installed (I can see a corresponding tab in the spellchecker
options) and I can select German as spell checker language in the
status bar (I can't tell if this the CSAPI spellchecker or the SSCE,
though).

Just for information: in my Speller folder in TB's program folder I
have the following files:

accent.tlx
correct.tlx
Ssceam.tlx
Ssceam2.clx
UserDic.TLX

No german dictionaries here, so I guess I am using CSAPI when I
switch to German.


So any ideas what the correct syntax is for a makro to set the german
CSAPI automatically again, or is there a setting somewhere to tell TB
to use a specific dictionary as default?

-- 
Martin
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Adress Tab: Folder Column not updated

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Tbudl,

When I switch to folder Tab Addresses I use a view mode that shows
the column Folder, so I can easily see where the original file is
located.

Now when I move a message in that view the message is moved, but the
list still shows the old folder in the folder column. That stays
until I restart TB.

In normal folder lists (that is, not using the Addresses tab) the
folder column is immediately updated after the move.

Hope you understand what I mean.

Any confirmations?

-- 
Martin
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Re: Best 3.x Version?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Tbudl,

 Any opinions on which one to use? Which version proofed to contain the
 least number of bugs?

Thanks for all those opinions! As you can see I upgraded to 3.99.29
and hope this will be a good companion to me.

It was especially nice to see Waldorf and Stettler gnarling at each
other again *SCNR* :) I missed you both a little (did not find the
time to follow the beta list recently).

So thanks again to all posters!

-- 
Martin
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Best 3.x Version?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Tbudl,

Sorry, if I used the wrong keywords to search the forum...I just did
not find any relevant posts:

As I am currently not brave enough (and neither have the time nor the
need to upgrade to 4.x) I would simply like to install the latest and
best 3.x version and live happily with it for the next years.

Any opinions on which one to use? Which version proofed to contain the
least number of bugs?

Thanks a lot!

-- 
Martin
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Re: Useful filter to catch those blank spam+pdf

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Aubrey,

 Just thought I would share this in case anyone
 else finds useful. I am getting a large amount of
 spam with just a PDF attachment (a worm) and a
 blank email

 here is a bit of regex that catches them


Somehow your solution did not work here. Just tried another way with
some messages here, and it seems to work:

--
Condition:

Text [match] ^$
AND Message source [match] \d{10}.pdf
--

^$ is the regex for empty string and \d{10}.pdf catches the
attachments that (at least at the moment) always have a 10 digit
number at the end of the filename.

Here's the filter for pasting:

 TB! Message Filter 
beginFilter
UID: [ADB1D37C.01C7C88C.6ED986D8.5693C83F]
Name: Uncatched\20Spam
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`4`2`^$\0D\0A0`6`2`/5Cd{10}.pdf\0D\0A}
SetMemo Text blankPDF\0D\0A
MoveMessage folder \5C\5C\5C$JUNK$
SetColour 2031922646
IsActive
Ignore
endFilter


What do you think? I am not the most experienced when it comes to
regex, so maybe some guru might want to have a look at it?

-- 
Martin
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Re: Moving from Outlook 2003

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Mike,

 1A. Can TB data files be stored on a networked external hard drive so that we
 can access the mail from two computers and a laptop?  We do NOT need to access
 the mail at the same time, but we do need to look at it and respond to it from
 the two desktops and the laptop at different times easily.

Doing this here every day: one desktop (hosting the files actually,
but works with a network-share, too) and one notebook used in the
office sometimes, mostly on the road. I am opening TB only on one
machine at a time (so I think one licence is fine, isn't it?) and have
the files available as offline files so TB finds them in the right
place when I am not connected to the server.

 2. Our Outlook mail  is currently in a PST file which is approaching 1 gb.
 Our mailboxes have folders and sub-folders. Will TB import all the mail and
 mailboxes correctly so that we won't have lost anything?  I'm not asking for a
 guarantee here, just some advice on the general reliability of the import
 process.

If you don't need a guarantee I can say this works ok. Recently moved
all my mails from Outlook to TB again to train my spam filter with
ham. The mail folders from Outlook looked good in TB.

-- 
Martin
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Threading by references+subject does not work with german AW: reply

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Tbudl,

Hope this wasn't covered somewhere before, I only found a very old
message from 2001 about this:

Did anybody find a solution to thread correctly the answers from
Outlook users replying with the german version of RE: namely AW:?

references+subject does not match in this case.

Thanks!

-- 
Martin
TB! 3.96.9 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2



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Re: TB!, PGP and Vista

[Martin Sebald]

Hi Alexander!

 is there any freeware PGP solution for Vista? PGP Freeware 6.5.8 does
 not work anymore... :-( 
 I haven't tried, but what about GnuPG? (I'm using it on XP)

I haven't tried this anywhere. Can I import all my keysrings, including the
private key, from PGP 6.5.8.

 Oh, it should also work for Windows Server 2003 R2... ;-)
 GnuPG works on XP, I dare say it'll work on the server version as well.

It should, yes. But if it works on Vista - I don't know. But it's worth a
try.

Important for me is that I can import my keyrings.

Regards,
Martin

-- 

The Bat! v3.95.8 powered by Windows 2003 5.2 Build 3790 Service Pack 1

ConCarne cooks best since 1998
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Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: TB!, PGP and Vista

[Martin Sebald]

Hi Mark!

 Actually no. Or let me say so: Not really. Most, which means about 99,9%
 I use PGP for signing/encrypting/decrypting mails. 
 How about TB!'s internal OpenPGP?

I tried but it wanted to create a new private key for me. I haven't tried
for long, but is possible to import my existing keyrings, including the
private key?

 Does that still work (and if so: in Vista)?

I tried on Windows Server 2003 R2. At least it worked but it wanted to
create a new key. Hm...

Regards,
Martin

-- 

The Bat! v3.95.8 powered by Windows 2003 5.2 Build 3790 Service Pack 1

ConCarne cooks best since 1998
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Download mails from IMAP account

[Martin Sebald]

Hi all,

I want to download mails from an IMAP account, just like from a POP3
account. Reason: I'm using TB when being online and being offline, so I
need the mails on the harddisc. Reason I want to download the mails using
IMAP: At last I want to sort mails to folders because I occasionally also
use the webmailer for reading and writing mails. With 200 to 300 mails a
day I really have to sort mails to folders. ;-)

Regards,
Martin

-- 

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TB!, PGP and Vista

[Martin Sebald]

Hi all,

is there any freeware PGP solution for Vista? PGP Freeware 6.5.8 does not
work anymore... :-(

Oh, it should also work for Windows Server 2003 R2... ;-)

Thanks for your help!

Regards,
Martin

-- 

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Re: TB!, PGP and Vista

[Martin Sebald]

Hi Mark!

 is there any freeware PGP solution for Vista? PGP Freeware 6.5.8 does
 not work anymore... :-( 
 Vista is so safe that you do not need it anymore!  :-)

*fg*

But I miss comments about Windows Server 2003 R2. ;-)

 I suppose you need it for other things besides email?

Actually no. Or let me say so: Not really. Most, which means about 99,9% I
use PGP for signing/encrypting/decrypting mails.

Regards,
Martin

-- 

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Adding a drop-down arrow to a toolbar (was: Help: Does Anyone Know About Setting Up Toolbars?)

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Michael,

 - How do I set up a button that has a drop-down arrow, similar to the
   'Receive new mail' button.

That is a functionality well hidden in TB's deep muddy waters...

1. In the Customize dialog choose Create new container (it's the 4th
   button from the top between actions and layout list). A new
   toolbar container (with a triangle on the right) is created. Select
   it.

2. Select the action you want to have in that container in the
   Action List and press Shift and the Insert Item button (its
   the first button from the top). The item should be added to your
   container.

-- 
Martin
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Re: Address book sync with Pocket PC

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Graham,

 as anyone used this?
 http://www.artelplus.com/en/thebatsync.php
 It offers syncing The Bat! with either the Palm or Pocket PC address book.

Sounds quite like something I waited for since I started using TB!.
But I am confused because they advertise to sync the Windows Mobile
addressbook, but isn't this just the same as Microsoft Outlook
addressbook (here my Active Sync just syncs Outlooks Addressbook with
my Windows CE device).

As this is try before you buy I think I'll just give it a try if I
got the time. If you do please let me know how the thing was working.

-- 
Martin
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Re: Scheduler piles up old events

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Chris,

 Anyone found an easier way to do this? Or to hide events that have
 passed?

  Options  Preferences  Other Options  SmartBat  Automatically
  remove completed events after ...

That option was set. Still nothing happens: even older events still
show up after 10 days. Maybe TB does not recognize them as
completed?

-- 
Martin
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Scheduler piles up old events

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Tbudl,

I use scheduler often by setting a reminder for anserwing a message or
so. Now in the meantime I have quite a big stack of reminders in the
list when I open up scheduler. Deleting them one by one is pain, and
takes forever with a lot of messages.

Anyone found an easier way to do this? Or to hide events that have
passed?


-- 
Thanks,
Martin
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Re: Account Alerts / take The Bat offline for a moment

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Peter,

Sorry for the late reply,

MS there is a commandline switch to tell an account not to check
MS mail.

 Is there a switch to include *all* accounts? Or do I have to add each
 account by name?

AFAIK not. Each account has to be included.

 Anyway, this is another (probably old) part of The Bat! that I wasn't
 aware of.

Not so old...it came in the last round of betas before the last public
release I think. Should be worked on, however. Not all account
settings are included, but I'll try to find out and post them here.

-- 
Martin
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Selection of multiple listitems not windows conform?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Tbudl,

In a mail list view the keystrokes to select multiple items that are
spread over the list IMHO is not windows conform:

- in windows you can hold the Ctrl-key, move the focus rectangle (the
  dotted line) up and down with the cursor keys until it is at an item
  you want to select, and then you can mark the item as selected with
  the space key

- in TB! pressing Ctrl and a cursor key instantly selects multiple
  items. You can't select multiple items that are not in a sequence.


Why is this so? Is there a workaround?

-- 
Thanks for your help!
Martin
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Re: Selection of multiple listitems not windows conform?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Thomas,

MS - in windows you can hold the Ctrl-key, move the focus rectangle (the
MS   dotted line) up and down with the cursor keys until it is at an item
MS   you want to select, and then you can mark the item as selected with
MS   the space key

 I never knew this.

Yeah, it's kind of a widely accepted standard, used a lot by keyboard
addicts ;-) I think TB! should act that way to keep conformity.

I just would like to know if there is a reason TB! acts that other way,
before posting a wish.

-- 
Martin
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Re: Finding all linked messages

[Martin Schuster]

Hello MAU,

 Ops! I think I misunderstood you question, I thought you were trying
 to find replies you had sent.

 I just followed your instructions and TB! found the reply even
 though it was not from me.

 Now that you mention it, that should work. Why not. After all, it is
 searching for references to the MID of the original message.

Feeling obliged to add here that the message is found only if it is
not in a common folder, i.e. if it is located in an account folder.
This bug is still present (even though on the ritlabs bugtracker it
shows as closed, ID 0005717).

-- 
Martin
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Re: Account Alerts / take The Bat offline for a moment

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Scott,

 Also, is there a way to take TheBat offline...

I hope this is not a beta feature only, I think this exists in the
last regular version, too: there is a commandline switch to tell an
account not to check mail. Make yourself a second shortcut to thebat
using a syntax like this:

C:\Programme\The Bat!\thebat.exe /ADDU=myAccount;AutoCheck=0 
/ADDU=myOtherAccount;AutoCheck=0

(Don't forget to change the path C:\Programme\The Bat! and
myAccount and myOtherAccount to match your settings).

And modify your original shortcut to have AutoCheck=1 everywhere.

Then you can simply choose if you need checking or not when starting
thebat.

-- 
Martin
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Re: Watched no longer works

[Martin Schuster]

 If I tried to mark a message as watched, I am asked to
 create a new folder - no choice to use my existing folder.

 Also, from my * Watched * folder, I cannot unselect
 messages that were previously marked as watched.

Confirmed. Also: Bug still exists in 3.82.02.

See also my message
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

...yet without any solution. On 3.81.18 RC2 I managed to restore my
watched folders (simply by creating them new) but then a Chat Window
popped up every time a reply to a watched message is received. And now
those folders are gone again. Very annoying.

I don't have the time to file a bug report now. If no one else is
quicker I'll do it later, maybe.

-- 
Martin
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Good Concept for manipulating a message with one keystroke

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Tbudl,

I have a common folder for projects, with a virtual folder for every
client. I like that.

However, when a new message comes in that does not meet the criteria
of the virtual folder, e.g. because its from someone outside the
project team, I have to mark that message with a color group and move it
to projects manually. I'd like to define a keystroke for a filter
that does just that.

If only I could get this to work!

Problem #1: find a keyboard shortcut that is free. At first I assigned
one that was already used by TB and suddenly strange
things happened. Is there a place where can I see a list
of all the keystrokes that are already occupied?

Problem #2: The filter has a subfilter. When I assign a keystroke to
the filter the subfilter also gets executed. Settings for
the filter ( - look three times the filter at the same
place :-) , again, settings for the filter are:
[x] Filter is active
[ ] Continue processing with other filters

Does anybody have a good concept for this type of action at hand?

-- 
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Martin
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Re: Good Concept for manipulating a message with one keystroke

[Martin Schuster]

Hello George,

MS Problem #2: The filter has a subfilter. When I assign a keystroke
MS to the filter the subfilter also gets executed.

 Is it a common filter?  If so, subfilters won't work right:

 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4021

Thanks for pointing me there. Looks like the problem is related.

-- 
Martin
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Re: RSS News Feeds

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Ian,

 Is there any plugin to allow The Bat! to be used with RSS news
 feeds?

There are two:

rss2mail
rss2pop3

I currently use rss2mail, works fine for one or two feeds you rarely
change, because you need to build a new tb-account for each feed.

Tried rss2pop3, but can't get it to download any messages yet (only
one feed worked, the others just say 0 messages downloaded).

Sorry, don't have a link to the plugins available. Should be easy to
find in a search engine, though.


-- 
Martin
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Re: TB! network question

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Nick,

 So after all the above, here is my question.  How can I set TB! so
 that while on the network it connects to the appropriate remote files,
 but while not on the network still allows TB! to run with the local
 files.

Do you happen to use a Windows Version on Computer B that supports
offline files? By using this Computer B would still think he
accesses the files on Computer A, while at that moment he isn't even
connected to A, but transparently accesses a local copy of the files
on his own harddrive.

Search the windows help to find out how to activate offline files. I
use it on my notebook every day, works perfect. No change in TB!
configuration necessary at all!


-- 
Martin
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Re: (Selective) Selective Download Filter

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Robert,

 yes. OK. I made a test; subject contains xyzzy then KILL.

 but, this is seemingly useless in that
 the offending message remains on server (forever)
...
 I was able to see that (using dispatcher window) that the Read became
 unchecked.

I just see I had an error in my last mail. Not the read but the
receive flag is unchecked! Is it really the read flag that get's
deactivated when you check dispatcher?

 And as I said, that particular test message is still on my server
 having been neither D/L'd not deleted by the dispatcher. So, in any
 case, I still have to manually deal with a server-side message that I
 do not want not like.

Here the delete flag is still active for the matching messages...so
when activating the dispatching process the message is not received but
deleted on the server. Don't know why your messages stays on the
server even though the delete flag is (or at least should be) still
active...?

 And, I still can not select for a gross size and delete them.

Agreed, this option is still missing. So far the selective download
works only for word-matching. Why there is no option for size
selecting is beyond my knowledge.

-- 
Martin
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Re: (Selective) Selective Download Filter

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Robert,

 Martin Schuster waved a wand then said : '

M Try activating the dispatcher:\

hehe, did I? ;-)

 I put a nonsense filter under the Selective Download tab. It looks to
 see if qwerty is in the Sender position.

 When I hit shift-ctrl-F2, I see the *Read*  is still checked. I also
 never see  Statistics Tab *Tested* going above Zero.

 That, according to you, means the selective download filter is never
 checked/activated

Maybe I misunderstand, but did any of the mails contain qwerty ?
Only then would the read flag be unchecked in dispatcher. So I think
your result is correct: none of the mails was filtered (why tested
is not incremented I don't know).

An example maybe says more: I have a selective download filter
Subject contains any of [some typical spam words] with action
kill. So if any mail contains one of those words its read flag is
deactivated in dispatcher by default. Works 100% here. No more
enlarge your...-mails here ;-)

-- 
Martin
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Re: (Selective) Selective Download Filter

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Robert,

 Also, now that I am playing around trying to make a Selective DL
 Filter ... just how does one invoke Selective Download so that one may
 verify operation of S-D/L filters?

Try activating the dispatcher: for mails where the selective download
filter would be activated the read flag is automatically
unchecked!

-- 
Martin
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Re: Bat version 3.80.6

[Thomas Martin]

Hello Richard,

on Saturday, 20. May 2006, at 06:17:52 [GMT +0500] you wrote regarding
Bat version 3.80.6:

 The latest release is supposed to be version 3.80.6, yet the first one
 listed is v. 3.81.01. Is that a beta?

IMHO this is a Ritlabs internal Beta! Not for public :(


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Access Violation in Customizer (was: Re: New Customizer behavior)

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Simon,

 Select the container (highlight).  Highlight the item you require
 in the container, then hold SHFT and click the right arrow button in the 
 interface.

I tried that (see the item test and its child entry delete in the
screenshot) and got an access violation when pressing the ok button:

http://www.aspekt1.net/ms/temp/tbAVCustomizer.gif

Subsequently the TB toolbar was messed up until I restarted TB.

Can anyone confirm this?

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Re: International Pack

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Tim,

A question not relating to your question: to me it seems like you
start all your threads with a subject Re: ... don't you? Or am I
missing the original post somehow?

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wish: create sets of account settings to use in different environments?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello tbudl,

I frequently change from a fast internet connection to a mobile
connection and back. Because on the fast line I want to check often
and get mails at once while on the mobile connection I want to check
less frequent and only headers I need to do the following every time I
change my connection:

- go to Account A - Properties
- change the check mail every from 2min to 15min
- check Mail Dispatcher: use every time

- go to Account B - Properties
- disable the check mail every because this account does not need to
  be checked on the road
- check Mail Dispatcher: use every time in case I accidentally hit
  Alt-F2


This is really annoying. I think I already asked if there is a better
way to do this when I was new to TB!, and since then I did not find a
good solution.

I could think about the following solution:

- Possibility to create different scenarios:
  - a standard scenario (just like now, with the basic settings for my
accounts)
  - additional scenarios containing different settings for my
accounts, only different where I specified a different value
(somehow extending my default scenario, just like in object
orientated programming)
- E.g. a toolbar button or menu to select which scenario to use right
  now (just like viewmodes)
- A toolbar button to deactivate automatic checking no matter what I
  have set in my account. This is to avoid accidental downloading of
  that huge attachment over a mobile GPRS-line where the transfer
  costs per kB are still unbelievably high.

Would anyone need this? I'd prefer to check the need for such a
solution before posting a wish to the developers.

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Re: how does remove duplicate email work?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello WL,

 What does TB! use to determine if 2 emails are duplicates
 of each other?

Just guessing from my own experience, but it seems like also the date
fields are used to compare. In my case the received date was
different because I imported (duplicate) mails. Their received date
was different, as far as I remember.

Quite useless that way I think.

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Re: MicroEd vs Plain text

[Martin Schuster]

Hello WL,

 On 3/27/06, Martin Schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 *Technically* I think it would be no problem to build mail clients
 that wrap unwrapped text automatically at a user-given width, so
 everyone would be able to read the mail just as wide as he wants.
 Everyone would send unwrapped lines, a CR/LF would mean start a new
 paragraph, and everyone would be happy.

and WL answered:
 ...except this _will_ break some existing email clients.
 Outlook users do this a lot, and I used to use an email
 client that would crash on emails from Outlook users. I
 narrowed it down to a single, very long line.

 RFC 2822 (email format) says a line must not be longer
 than 998 characters not counting the CRLF, and should not
 be greater than 78. This is more or less what rfc 2821
 (smtp) says about the maximum length of a line.

Yeah. As I stated in my second paragraph I am aware that using
unwrapped mail all of a sudden would need RFCs to be changed and all
people update their email clients to nowrap-aware ones. I just wanted
to point out that there is no *technical* limitation that forces us to
wrap. Its an internet-cultural problem: having all kinds of clients,
having to use old standards to be compatible, etc. etc.

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Re: MicroEd vs Plain text

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Paul,

Having read the whole wrapping-discussion in one flow I can't resist
adding my few thoughts about that topic. Because I think both
Alexander and Paul are right:

*Technically* I think it would be no problem to build mail clients
that wrap unwrapped text automatically at a user-given width, so
everyone would be able to read the mail just as wide as he wants.
Everyone would send unwrapped lines, a CR/LF would mean start a new
paragraph, and everyone would be happy.

BUT: the problem is that you can't switch such an old standard (as
mail is) in one day. So there would be a long time when there would
still be users that see the unwrapped mails in spaghetti-like lines
because their client does not do wrapping at anything else than the
window border, or even worse in a unix console some archaic client
does not do any wrapping at all...and so on.

So I gave up the hope for unwrapped mails a few years ago and looked
for a good editor that at least makes the task of composing wrapped
lines easier. Micro-Ed is just that.


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Re: Putting a reply into the same folder where the original message is stored?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Maksym,

 Sorry if this one has been asked (and answered) before, but I can't
 find it.

Are you participating in TBUDL also? I asked the same question two
weeks ago there, and Roelof gave me a very in depth answer:

mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Maybe you want to have a look if there is a solution for your
situation there (I found one for my situation ;-)


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Re: Context menu Open reply: (how) does it work?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello MAU,

 Do you have the replies you are looking for in Common folders? If so,
 that may be the problem. I am not sure but I think the search for
 replies only looks in the account your are at, and not in other accounts
 or common folders.

Exactly. Seems like that is the case. Then either the function is
buggy or the message ...whole message base... is confusing. I think
I'd open a bug report.


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Re: Context menu Open reply: (how) does it work?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello MAU,

 I have just done a couple of quick test by moving my replies to other
 account and also to a common folder that I have just created (I don't
 use common folders) and the replies are found if in another account but
 not in common folders. So, it looks like it does not search in common
 folders.

Thanks for your tests. This verifies the problem and justifies a
bugreport I think.

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Re: Context menu Open reply: (how) does it work?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello MAU and Thomas!

 What am I doing/getting wrong here?

 I don't know if it uses the 'In-Reply-To header or not, I would assume
 so, but it is working here with no problem. I use this option somewhat
 frequently and, unless I have deleted my reply, it is always found. I
 have tried it just now a few times (in case there was a problem with
 latest version) and it worked every time I tried.

I don't understand this. Tried it with all kinds of replies I wrote,
and they are never found! Have a look: this is a message I just
replied to, and my reply is just above in the list (both marked with
red errors), and the error message that the reply cannot be found in
the most obvious folders (whatever they are):

http://www.aspekt1.net/ms/temp/openreply.gif

Now I did some more tests and I found out that the message *is* found,
when I put it back into the inbox of the account I sent if from
(currently the message is in a subfolder of a common folder). So it
looks like the function works, but is does not look in the right
folders (even though it promises to look through the whole message
base).

So Ritlabs developers: why is the same folder not an obvious folder???


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Re: QT output trims trailing CR/LF

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Robin,

 Some of my QTs output text followed by one or more CR/LF. I use this a lot
 in building my email templates, but the later versions of TB! trim trailing
 CR/LFs.

I mentioned this a few days ago on tbbeta, too. Funny there is someone else
noticing this right now:

mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

There was no direct solution to this problem found in that discussion.

I found no other solution than to always have my CRs *before* the
output, not after. So I changed all my QT to:



outputting some line

...which in the end gives me the same result: emtpy lines between
QT-texts.

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Re: Sort Column Shading

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Mike,

 I just upgraded to v3.71.03 and I am trying to figure out how to
 disable the shading for the sorted column in the folder and pane
 views. Does anyone know how to do this? Any help is greatly
 appreciated!

I am wondering why you awant to disable this feature? IMO it helps
seeing the sorting column with one look. It does not keep me from
doing/seeing anything, so I am happy with it.

Maybe if you could explain a little further what exactly the problem
with the shading is, we could help you avoiding the problem. That's
because I don't know of any way the switch off the shading!

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Re: Sort Column Shading

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Richard,

MD I am trying to figure out how to disable the shading for the sorted
MD column in the folder and pane views. 

 If I knew what sorted columns were I could test it. I must be being
 unbelievably thick but I don't have any sorted columns - anywhere :-(

Sorted columns are those columns in the mail list that the list is
sorted by. E.g. given if your list is sorted by From then the
From-column header in the list shows a small triangle and the
background of the column is slightly tinted.

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Context menu Open reply: (how) does it work?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello tbudl,

I noticed a context menu item in the message list called open reply
(in specials submenu). To me this seem to mean look for message
having the mid of the current message in the reply-to header. That
would be something I would really need.

However it does not seem to work as I expect: doing open reply on a
message that I replied to leads to the message:

  Reply was not found in most appropriate folders.
  Would you like to search through whole message base?

and subsequently to the message Reply not found.

But: when I do a manual search for the mid of the message I find the
message and my reply (because the mid is in the reply-to header) in
the same folder.

What am I doing/getting wrong here?


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Corr: Context menu Open reply: (how) does it work?

[Martin Schuster]

I just wrote:

 I noticed a context menu item in the message list called open reply
 (in specials submenu). To me this seem to mean look for message
 having the mid of the current message in the reply-to header. That
 would be something I would really need.
...
 But: when I do a manual search for the mid of the message I find the
 message and my reply (because the mid is in the reply-to header) in
 the same folder.

The header field I mean is of course In-Reply-To...!


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Re: Save reply in same folder as original message

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Roelof,

Thanks a lot for that really interesting look into your bat world ;-)

 There's also the possibility to use the macro %Comment=%FolderName%-
 This inserts the name of the current folder into the Comments header,
 therefore enabling you to filter on that header.

I chose this solution. It works fine for my specific problem! And the
folder name is nothing that anybody would hate me for ;-)

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Re: Save reply in same folder as original message

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Marten,

Again my English...sorry if I was not precise enough.

 I would like to find a solution (quicktemplate, filter, combination of
 the two, whatever) to save my reply to a message in the same folder
 again. Can anyone please point me to that thread? Thanks!

 Set up a filter for that account.
 Account  Sorting Office/Filters
 Outgoing Mail
 Header contains @ (which will select every message going out)
 Actions  move to the folder [then select the folder]
 Options  probably the top checkbox ticked only and top radio button
 checked

That would move *any* message I send with this account to the
specified folder, right? That's not what I want. Example:

I have posted a job offer on a mailing list, using a special mail
alias, let's say [EMAIL PROTECTED] that forwards mail to my
regular account. It's easy to filter all incoming messages to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] into a folder, say job offers.

Now when I answer one of these emails (using my regular mail account,
not that special address), I want my answer to be stored into the
folder job offers. All other emails I send from this account should
*not* be affected by this rule. So my plan was to setup a reply
template for that folder triggering an outgoing filter that moves my
message there. I just can't find the macro to trigger a filter...


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Save reply in same folder as original message

[Martin Schuster]

Hello tbudl,

Sorry, I know this question has been asked before, but probably due to
my bad english vocabulary I was not able to find that thread in the
archives...

I would like to find a solution (quicktemplate, filter, combination of
the two, whatever) to save my reply to a message in the same folder
again. Can anyone please point me to that thread? Thanks!

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