Re: RSS feeds

[MAU]

Hello Stefan,

> I see. Your point is taken - RSS folders are normal local folders,
> so there should be a way to move them around and keep under other
> locally stored folders, not just under the "RSS Subscriptions". Wish added :-)

If you are going to work on this wish, I would kindly remind you about 
a much older one, also about RSS folders:
https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=526

Thanks,

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Re: RSS feeds

[Stefan Tanurkov via TBUDL]

> I tried to create them as part of an existing mail-account where they would 
> fit
> contentually.

I see. Your point is taken - RSS folders are normal local folders, so there 
should be a way to move them around and keep under other locally stored 
folders, not just under the "RSS Subscriptions". Wish added :-) 



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Re: RSS feeds

[Gunivortus Goos]

Hello Stefan,

>> how can I add RSS feeds into The Bat (9 or 10) and have them  each its own 
>> folder?

> What do you mean? Each RSS is stored in its own folder currently...
 
Wrote a bit too quick... they're stored indeed in its own folder each, but under
an automatically new created account "RSS Subscriptions".
I tried to create them as part of an existing mail-account where they would fit
contentually.
That failed.

Kind regards,
Gunivortus





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Re: RSS feeds

[Stefan Tanurkov via TBUDL]

Hello Gunivortus, 

> how can I add RSS feeds into The Bat (9 or 10) and have them  each its own 
> folder?

What do you mean? Each RSS is stored in its own folder currently...


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Re: SMTPUTF8

[Jernej Simončič]

On Thursday, May 11, 2023, 13:31:55, Ian A. White wrote:

> This happens when I try and send a message using my ISPs mail server but not 
> always.

Can you post the full error line?

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Re: SMTPUTF8

[Jernej Simončič]

On Monday, May 8, 2023, 00:08:51, Ian A. White wrote:

> I am getting messages returned with something about SMTPUTF8

This error usually means that the mail client tried using a non-ASCII character 
in the envelope (typically a typo in the e-mail address, though I'm not sure 
how TB would trigger this, because it properly encodes non-ASCII addresses).

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RE: SMTPUTF8

[Tony B]

I don't what the specific issue is but a quick search throws up plenty of 
details surrounding UTF-8 encoding on SMTP.

https://www.google.com/search?q=smtp+utf-8=chrome=UTF-8

Tony Brookes

-Original Message-
From: TBUDL  On Behalf Of Ian A. White
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2023 11:09 PM
To: The Bat Discussion 
Subject: SMTPUTF8

G'day,

I am getting messages returned with something about SMTPUTF8

Is there anything that canbe done about it in The Bat!


Regards.

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Re: Reloading v6.0.12 msi

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Jernej,

On Friday, January 6, 2023 you wrote:

JS> On Friday, January 6, 2023, 17:15:24, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

>> Alas, no such file exists on either of our two computers. Any other ideas?

JS> Can you post a screenshot of the search bar? Also, can you try hiding it
JS> (right-click any toolbar [but not inside the textbox in search bar], and 
untick Quick Search)?

Please see attached screenshot (converted from .PNG to .JPG)

Ticking and/or un-ticking Quick Search and restarting TB! each time accomplishes
nothing. It remains as you see it. As mentioned in my original post, it cannot
be moved by clicking & dragging either. As an aside, it still functions as a
Quick Search.

Thanks for your help.

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Re: Edit as new

[Achdut18]

Hi Adrian,

Monday, January 30, 2023, 6:46:51 AM, you wrote:

> It's not right click on the message to do this. Select the message and then 
> use "edit as new" from the very first menu on the left "Message"
Thanks, Adrian.  I now see what happened:  the menu got displaced from where it 
usually is, for some reason, and was above the folders  on the left-hand side 
of the window, rather than above the tool bar.   So, I didn't think to click on 
"Message."
 
Thanks, again, 
 

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Re: Edit as new

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Adrian,

On Monday, January 30, 2023 you wrote:

AG> It's not right click on the message to do this. Select the message and then
AG> use "edit as new" from the very first menu on the left "Message"

Thanks for that Adrian, I never knew that. I always dragged the sent message
back to the outbox where I then could edit it by double-clicking on it.

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Re: Edit as new

[Adrian Godfrey]

It's not right click on the message to do this. Select the message and then use 
"edit as new" from the very first menu on the left "Message"

Adrian

Monday, January 30, 2023, 1:08:33 PM, Achdut18 achdu...@gmail.com wrote:

> Unless I am dreaming, I seem to recall an option that one could access a sent 
> message and edit it as if it were a new message.   I thought that one could 
> access that function by right-clicking on the message in the sent folder.  
> However, that no longer appears to be an option. 

 



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Re: turning off automatic copyright symbol with (c)

[Robin Anson]

On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 03:22:40 -0600,Avram wrote:
> HI, 
>  
> As an attorney, I am frequently needing to cite statute and regulation 
> subsections in e-mails. Often, I need to type a "c" within parentheses in 
> order to indicate a particular section's subsection, such as SSA § 202(c). 
> However, in normal typing, "(c)" automatically changes to "©" unless I use a 
> work-around by typing a space between the "c" and one of the parentheses, and 
> then, later, using the backspace key to close up the space.  This is tedious! 
>   How can I turn off this "feature?"  I see nothing in the "Preferences" 
> window that addresses this.   
There is a slightly awkward way of doing it, that is to type (c ) (which has an 
extra space between the "c" and the ")") and then go back and delete that 
space. The required (c) then stays .
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Re: Reloading v6.0.12 msi

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Jernej,

On Friday, January 6, 2023 you wrote:

JS> On Friday, January 6, 2023, 17:15:24, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

>> Alas, no such file exists on either of our two computers. Any other ideas?

JS> Can you post a screenshot of the search bar? Also, can you try hiding it
JS> (right-click any toolbar [but not inside the textbox in search bar], and 
untick Quick Search)?

Please see attached screenshot (converted from .PNG to .JPG)

Ticking and/or un-ticking Quick Search and restarting TB! each time accomplishes
nothing. It remains as you see it. As mentioned in my original post, it cannot
be moved by clicking & dragging either. As an aside, it still functions as a
Quick Search.

Thanks for your help.

-- 
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Jack
Central Alabama USA

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Re: Reloading v6.0.12 msi

[Jernej Simončič]

On Friday, January 6, 2023, 17:15:24, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

> Alas, no such file exists on either of our two computers. Any other ideas?

Can you post a screenshot of the search bar? Also, can you try hiding it 
(right-click any toolbar [but not inside the textbox in search bar], and untick 
Quick Search)?

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Re: Reloading v6.0.12 msi

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Jernej,

On Friday, January 6, 2023 you wrote:

JS> On Thursday, January 5, 2023, 23:43:32, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

>> My wife's search bar has migrated to obscuring part of the account tree. 
>> Nothing
>> I've tried will get it to move back to it's original location; not click & 
>> drag
>> nor selecting/de-selecting the search function in the header utilities. I 
>> still
>> have the 6.0.12 msi file in her downloads folder and wondered if I could just
>> re-run the msi file or will that change everything that has been set up for
>> years? I also still have the v5 keyblock which I think was used to unlock her
>> current TB! version.

JS> Re-running the MSI file is unlikely to change anything, since those
JS> settings are per-user, and installers don't touch user settings at all.

JS> Instead, check if you have userdef.xml file in the mail storage directory,
JS> and if you do, try renaming it – I think that file contains toolbar 
position settings.

Alas, no such file exists on either of our two computers. Any other ideas?

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Jack
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Re: Reloading v6.0.12 msi

[Jernej Simončič]

On Thursday, January 5, 2023, 23:43:32, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

> My wife's search bar has migrated to obscuring part of the account tree. 
> Nothing
> I've tried will get it to move back to it's original location; not click & 
> drag
> nor selecting/de-selecting the search function in the header utilities. I 
> still
> have the 6.0.12 msi file in her downloads folder and wondered if I could just
> re-run the msi file or will that change everything that has been set up for
> years? I also still have the v5 keyblock which I think was used to unlock her
> current TB! version.

Re-running the MSI file is unlikely to change anything, since those settings 
are per-user, and installers don't touch user settings at all.

Instead, check if you have userdef.xml file in the mail storage directory, and 
if you do, try renaming it – I think that file contains toolbar position 
settings.

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Re: Change home directory?

[philipakpan]

THANKS A LOT, ARE YOU INTERESTED IN MY PROPOSAL?

GET BACK TO ME IF IT ACCEPTABLE BY YOU.

On 2023-01-04 14:13, MAU wrote:


Hello Susanne,

could someone please tell me if there is a simple way to change the 
home directory.


Do I need to copy everything to the new location and then choose it 
under account properties?


I have several accounts with large databases.


I did that a long time ago but seem to remember that the procedure is 
exactly as you guessed it,


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Re: Change home directory?

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello Susanne,

On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 08:38:47 -0800 GMT (04/01/2023, 23:38 +0700 GMT),
Susanne wrote:

>  could someone please tell me if there is a simple way to change the home 
> directory.
> Do I need to copy everything to the new location and then choose it under 
> account properties?
> I have several accounts with large databases.
Account / Properties / Files & Directories. 
 
You can change where your mail database is stored. It does not change where the 
.exe file resides, but I understand you want to move the large mail databases.
 
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Re[2]: Change home directory?

[Lpr du CTV via TBUDL]

•CTV

Bonsoir,

Ce mail de retour du 04/01/2023 notifie en particulier:
(cf. mail ID <1232405577.20230104231...@gmail.com>):

Hello Susanne,


could someone please tell me if there is a simple way to change the home 
directory.
Do I need to copy everything to the new location and then choose it under 
account properties?
I have several accounts with large databases.
I did that a long time ago but seem to remember that the procedure is exactly 
as you guessed it,

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Using The Bat! Version 9.5.1 (64-bit)


> (sic)
Account properties defines the directory where the account configuration is 
stored.

For the default data directory, go to the option/system menu (screenshot in 
French, sorry) 
répertoire de base des messages [E:\VAN\WAN\SMTP\TheBat\] on my own 
installation on my PC.


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Re: turning off automatic copyright symbol with (c)

[Jernej Simončič]

On Friday, December 16, 2022, 10:22:40, Avram Sacks wrote:

> As an attorney, I am frequently needing to cite statute and regulation 
> subsections in e-mails. Often, I need to type a "c" within parentheses in 
> order to indicate a particular section's subsection, such as SSA § 202(c). 
> However, in normal typing, "(c)" automatically changes to "©" unless I use a 
> work-around by typing a space between the "c" and one of the parentheses, and 
> then, later, using the backspace key to close up the space.  This is tedious! 
>   How can I turn off this "feature?"  I see nothing in the "Preferences" 
> window that addresses this.  
This seems to be a feature of the PureHTML editor, and I haven't found a way to 
turn it off. If you switch to RichText editor instead (which is slightly more 
limited), the changing doesn't happen.
 
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Re: turning off automatic copyright symbol with (c)

[Adrian Godfrey]

Maybe you should stop using HTML to write e-mail. I just typed in (c) directly 
in this mail without using any space character and it has stayed the same. 
Let's see if it survives posting to the mailing list.
I never use HTML in e-mail.

I also have the same version of The Bat! Pro 10.3.2  (64-bit Halloween edition 
without autoupdate) but on Windows 10 Professional

Adrian


Friday, December 16, 2022, 10:22:40 AM, Avram Sacks achdu...@gmail.com wrote:

> HI, 
>  
> As an attorney, I am frequently needing to cite statute and regulation 
> subsections in e-mails. Often, I need to type a "c" within parentheses in 
> order to indicate a particular section's subsection, such as SSA § 202(c). 
> However, in normal typing, "(c)" automatically changes to "©" unless I use a 
> work-around by typing a space between the "c" and one of the parentheses, and 
> then, later, using the backspace key to close up the space.  This is tedious! 
>   How can I turn off this "feature?"  I see nothing in the "Preferences" 
> window that addresses this.   
>     
> Thanks. 
>  
> --
> Avi

> Avram Sacks, using The Bat! Pro ver. 10.3.2 on Win 7 Pro 
>  
>  
>  

 



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Re: Upgrade advice, please

[MAU]

Hello Mary,

> Thanks very much for answering. I realised fairly soon that this
> list wasn't very busy, so I sent an email to Ritlabs, and they answered very 
> quickly.

Glad you got help and solved your issue.

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Re: Upgrade advice, please

[Mary Cassidy]

MAU wrote:

> It looks like not many people is watching this list any more. 

> I am still using Win 10, so I have no idea about Win 11, sorry.

> I am using 9.5.1 and I find it very stable. No idea about v10.3.2, I 
> never upgraded or tried v10.

> I asume it will, but I really don't know. I have never used TB's 
> back-up.


Hi Miguel, 

Thanks very much for answering. I realised fairly soon that this list wasn't 
very busy, so I sent an email to Ritlabs, and they answered very quickly.

In case it helps anyone else, they said:

"Newer versions of The Bat! are backwards compatible, this means the latest The 
Bat! v10 will be able to restore backups created in v4 or any other earlier 
version of the program.

If you have large accounts, then consider creating separate .tbk backups for 
each account." 

So I split up my very large accounts into a series of smaller ones, downloaded 
v10, and  
the restore function worked perfectly!

I've been using v10 for a few days now, and I haven't noticed any problems with 
it.

I'm very happy, because I have a huge number of emails dating back around 20 
years, and I can now search and retrieve them very easily on my new W11 machine.

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Re: lost config

[Adrian Godfrey]

Dd you install with or without autoupdate?

It is best wthout autoupdate, but when you run for the first time use the 
"C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat64.exe" /reg:02repairV10 command line. The 
/reg switch will create a separate registry entry

Adrian


Wednesday, November 23, 2022, 11:09:03 PM, Joe under...@igdc.com wrote:

> Hello,
>   
> I just installed 10.3.2 over 9.3.01 and my configuration is gone.  It found 
> my accounts but all my configuration and messages are gone.
> I have been using TheBat since 2010.  Every update was painless.  However, 
> this one was not painless.  
> I was able to restore version 9 with a backup I had, but do not want to 
> install 10 again  (which I  just paid for)  until I can be sure it will 
> install and capture all my messages and configuration.
>   Any suggestions on what I did wrong or what the issue is?  Anyone else have 
> this issue.
>   

 



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Re: lost config

[Richard Newman via TBUDL]

Hello Joe,
J>   Any suggestions on what I did wrong or what the issue is?  Anyone else 
have this issue.
Haven't heard of this happening before. 

I suggest doing a backup of your working version 9 files. Then try installing 
10 again over 9. If you run into the same problem, uninstall 9, install an 
empty 10 then restore your version 9 backup.

Hope that helps.
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===
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Re[2]: 10.2.1 no option showing to clear account logs

[Chris Wilson]

Hello Adrian,

I didn't realise that the X meant erase the log. The X is there and works, now I know what it's for. I was expecting a text box as in earlier versions. Sorry for many confusion and thanks for the help.

On Monday, October 24, 2022,  you wrote:

That should have been "reinstall version 10.2.1". Another thought struck me. Are you using the normal (WITHOUTautoupdate) version or the alternative "with autoupdate" version? I always use the former.



Adrian


Sunday, October 23, 2022, 9:43:05 PM, Adrian Godfrey li...@ags.lu wrote:



Then I suggest you get either version 10.2 (I see a "red X) in this version or 10.2.1 (this seems to be new when I did a "check for updates" a few minutes ago, but I haven't downloaded 10.2.1 yet.




Adrian




Sunday, October 23, 2022, 9:00:01 PM, Chris Wilson ch...@chriswilson.tv wrote:





With 10.2.1 there is no button to clear an account log.





 




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Re: Version 10.2 and gmail

[Adrian Godfrey]

Hello Thomas,

I fixed this problem for a new gmail account. The protocol type on the very 
first screen has to be "IMAP or POP" instead of "Auto". That is new. If I leave 
that at "Auto", it makes an IMAP account. It used to be the case that you 
selected IMAP or POP on the next screen.

What I haven't found yet is what I need to do in The Bat for an existing gmail 
POP account to make it work again since Google broke** almost every e-mail 
client earlier this year. It is rare that I send mail from a gmail address. I 
will create a new account in The Bat when I need it for my other gmail address. 
I don't need to actually retrieve gmail in The Bat, I set it up a long time ago 
to forward everything arriving at my gmail addresses to an address on my own 
domain as "web login required" every so often in the error logs was driving me 
crazy.

**Gmail may get broken again as I have started receiving mails with "keep your 
phone handy"


Adrian

Monday, October 24, 2022, 5:21:16 AM, Thomas Fernandez ML thomas.f...@gmx.net 
wrote:

> I am using Gmail and POP under v10.2. However, I set it up a long time ago. 
> Do you have the problem with an existing account or are you trying to set up 
> a new account?

 



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Re: Version 10.2 and gmail

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello Adrian,

On Tue, 11 Oct 2022 09:12:09 +0200 GMT (11/10/2022, 14:12 +0700 GMT),
Adrian Godfrey wrote:

> While I can make gmail work with Version 10.2 of The Bat, it seems to insist 
> on using IMAP instead of POP. Is there any way to fix this?
> I don't particularly need to retrieve gmail directly in The Bat as I forward 
> everything sent to my gmail address to an e-mail address on one of my own 
> domains AND delete from Google servers, but there are occasions when I need 
> to send mail from my gmail address and I certainly don't want to start web 
> browsers to do this.

I am using Gmail and POP under v10.2. However, I set it up a long time ago. Do 
you have the problem with an existing account or are you trying to set up a new 
account?

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Re: 10.2.1 no option showing to clear account logs

[Adrian Godfrey]

That should have been "reinstall version 10.2.1". 
Another thought struck me. Are you using the normal (WITHOUT autoupdate) 
version or the alternative "with autoupdate" version? I always use the former.


Adrian

Sunday, October 23, 2022, 9:43:05 PM, Adrian Godfrey li...@ags.lu wrote:

> Then I suggest you get either version 10.2 (I see a "red X) in this version 
> or 10.2.1 (this seems to be new when I did a "check for updates" a few 
> minutes ago, but I haven't downloaded 10.2.1 yet.

> Adrian

> Sunday, October 23, 2022, 9:00:01 PM, Chris Wilson ch...@chriswilson.tv wrote:

>> With 10.2.1 there is no button to clear an account log.

>  



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Re: 10.2.1 no option showing to clear account logs

[Adrian Godfrey]

Then I suggest you get either version 10.2 (I see a "red X) in this version or 
10.2.1 (this seems to be new when I did a "check for updates" a few minutes 
ago, but I haven't downloaded 10.2.1 yet.

Adrian

Sunday, October 23, 2022, 9:00:01 PM, Chris Wilson ch...@chriswilson.tv wrote:

> With 10.2.1 there is no button to clear an account log.

 



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Re[2]: 10.2.1 no option showing to clear account logs

[Chris Wilson]

Hello Adrian,

On Sunday, October 23, 2022,  you wrote:

It should be there as a red X (without any text) between "Search"and "Highlights only"  at the top of the screen.


Adrian


Sunday, October 23, 2022, 8:16:48 PM, Chris Wilson ch...@chriswilson.tv wrote:



With 10.2.1 there is no button to clear an account log.



 



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Yes, it was there all the time, I was expecting the old text, and frankly I think that was a better option. I appreciate your rapid reply, thanks Adrian.



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Re: 10.2.1 no option showing to clear account logs

[Adrian Godfrey]

It should be there as a red X (without any text) between "Search" and 
"Highlights only"  at the top of the screen.

Adrian

Sunday, October 23, 2022, 8:16:48 PM, Chris Wilson ch...@chriswilson.tv wrote:

> With 10.2.1 there is no button to clear an account log.

 



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Re: Slimming Down the database / Archiving

[Tom]

Thursday, October 6, 2022, 2:30:19 PM, you wrote:


Sunday, July 3, 2022, 3:32:45 PM, you wrote:





Hi Chris,

I finally got around to doing this and I am happy to report a successful 
outcome.
All these older messages are now combined in subfolders under Archive XXX and
having this Account stored on a separate drive, does indeed reduce the size 
used for
my main OS and any twice-weekly backups.  The size for the TBK complete backup 
file has reduced from 16.2 gb to 5.8 gb.
The benefit of the password protection of the account compared to my original 
idea of just
moving the actual folders somewhere else is that I can now still open the 
archive easily and
check on something if necessary.   Based on my experience that the minute you 
clear out something, you will need it,
this is quite a nice benefit. The only drawback I found was that moving 
messages was a bit more involved than
using cut/paste of some folders.

Thanks Chris and Thomas for the suggestion.

Cheers
Tom-
Tom
using TheBat! 8.8.9 on XP


just an update - since I archived my emails I had to check on something 
archived and it worked fine. However today I am unable to find the "account" 
that his now holding
these emails?  The database is still in its location on my external drive but 
the easy way to check an email is not possible if I cannot find the account.
Any idea why this is now hidden and how to look for it - any trick to "unhide 
this" without having to create a new account and then link the storage to the 
archive I previously created?


and one more update - not sure why but after restarting TB the Account Archive 
is shown again and I am able to open my emails with password again. I would 
normally assume it was there all the time and I was not looking properly but I 
did check several times very slowly and in particular at the bottom of my 
Accounts tree. That's where I "parked" this account and it was not showing 
earlier today.


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Re: Slimming Down the database / Archiving

[Tom]

Sunday, July 3, 2022, 3:32:45 PM, you wrote:




Hi Chris,

I finally got around to doing this and I am happy to report a successful 
outcome.
All these older messages are now combined in subfolders under Archive XXX and
having this Account stored on a separate drive, does indeed reduce the size 
used for
my main OS and any twice-weekly backups.  The size for the TBK complete backup 
file has reduced from 16.2 gb to 5.8 gb.
The benefit of the password protection of the account compared to my original 
idea of just
moving the actual folders somewhere else is that I can now still open the 
archive easily and
check on something if necessary.   Based on my experience that the minute you 
clear out something, you will need it,
this is quite a nice benefit. The only drawback I found was that moving 
messages was a bit more involved than
using cut/paste of some folders.

Thanks Chris and Thomas for the suggestion.

Cheers
Tom-
Tom
using TheBat! 8.8.9 on XP


just an update - since I archived my emails I had to check on something 
archived and it worked fine. However today I am unable to find the "account" 
that his now holding
these emails?  The database is still in its location on my external drive but 
the easy way to check an email is not possible if I cannot find the account. 
Any idea why this is now hidden and how to look for it - any trick to "unhide 
this" without having to create a new account and then link the storage to the 
archive I previously created?

-- 
Tom
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Re: Upgrading to version 10

[Adrian Godfrey]

Looks like the mailing list is playing up. I don't see any mails (until today) 
with dates after August 14. I thought the list was just quiet, but ...

Adrian

Wednesday, October 5, 2022, 7:49:22 PM, MAU miguel.ur...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Aug. 24th I started a thread in TBbeta with Subject "How to 
> install/uninstall V10 flawlessly

 



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Re: Upgrading to version 10

[MAU]

Hello Ian,

> Are there any tips I need to know to make it a smooth transition?

On Aug. 24th I started a thread in TBbeta with Subject "How to 
install/uninstall V10 flawlessly" 

The answers I received discouraged me from upgrading.

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Re: Upgrading to version 10

[Adrian Godfrey]

There are two versions, one with and one without autoupdate.
Whichever one you use, it overwrites  everything in "program files\The Bat". If 
you use the version WITHOUT autoupdate, it is no different than upgrading from 
previous versions.
But the one with autoupdate installs files in an "AppData" directory of 
whichever Windows user you login with rather than a subdirectory of" Program 
Files"
It took some fiddling to get Version 9 and Version 10 installed simultaneously, 
but there is a very useful REG option for the command line in the shortcut of 
Version 10.

I actually decided on the Version 10 without autoupdate and installed it in the 
usual "program files" directory. It is not difficult to use "run as 
administrator".


Adrian

Wednesday, October 5, 2022, 7:31:42 AM, Ian A. White raj.the...@gmail.com wrote:

> Are there any tips I need to know to make it a smooth transition?

 



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Re: The sigdash

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello Ian,

On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 14:58:38 +1000 GMT (13/08/2022, 11:58 +0700 GMT),
Ian A. White wrote:


> When replying with quoting it is not an issue as in this reply, as there can 
> only be a sigdash on the line. Anything else and it is just a normal line of 
> text.

> My problem is that I have some message threads for customers and that means 
> there are 20 signatures with high def graphics that have been quoted. This 
> then limits quoting as the message is now too big and gets rejected. This 
> results in a fresh thread being started, and that causes other issues.

What I do in this case is delete the attachments.

> I do not know if there is a solution. My client uses Outlook and that causes 
> a lot of problems because it does not necessarily show the threading. Outlook 
> also does not recognise a sigdash. At one point I tried using Outlook, but it 
> resulted in so many issues so went back to The Bat! for them. When Microsoft 
> were contacted, it was a case of "Next question". As far as they were 
> concerned they could do whatever they wanted. They even include the actual 
> attachments with each reply, so a job with 7 revisions would see  a huge 
> number of inclusions as the first message has the file, the next reply has 
> the first included plus the rev 1, the next has all these included plus rev 
> 2, and so on.

Ranting against Outllok in this group is praying to the choire! :-)

--


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Re: Message filtering problem

[Maggie Meister]

Hi MAU,

On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 6:36:40 PM you wrote:

M> You don't need to quote his whole message just to ask that, do you?
M> ;-)

 No, and thank you for the reminder. 
  

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Re: Test

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello Chris,

On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 10:46:00 +0100 GMT (11/08/2022, 16:46 +0700 GMT),
Chris Wilson wrote:

> Test message, I sent a message about 24 hours ago, but I don't see it 
> showing, so testing...
I received your message on the list.
 
-- 

Cheers,
Thomas.
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Re: The sigdash

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello Ian,

On Fri, 5 Aug 2022 12:13:25 +1000 GMT (05/08/2022, 09:13 +0700 GMT),
Ian A. White wrote:

> G'day,

> This is something that has become annoying.

> This message is plain text so if anyone replies, the sigdash would be 
> honoured and everything after it would be ignored.

> If however, this was an HTML message, then The Bat! does not seem to handle 
> it too well as the entire message being replied to is considered a block and 
> the sigdash is considered part of the block.

> In business, HTML is just about standard for a whole lot of reasons ranging 
> from the email client being used through to tracking whether the message has 
> been read, and how many times it has been read.

> So, is there any way that The Bat! can be used to read the sigdash in a HTML 
> formatted email?

Make it optional, please. In our business, we always need the full email thread 
in the reply. If someone uses a sigdash and this cuts off everything below it, 
we have to go search for what he wrote a month ago.

--


Cheers,
Thomas.

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Re: Message filtering problem

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello MAU,

On Friday, August 12, 2022 you wrote:

M> Hello Jack,

>> Have you tried any other options besides "sender"?

M> You don't need to quote his whole message just to ask that, do you? 
M> ;-)

My sincerest apologies to the list. I know better and simply was not thinking
(again) when I replied.

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Jack
Central Alabama USA

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Re: Message filtering problem

[Adrian Godfrey]

Particularly annoying when the one line of actual new text is after the quote.

Adrian

Friday, August 12, 2022, 7:36:40 PM, MAU miguel.ur...@gmail.com wrote:

> You don't need to quote his whole message just to ask that, do you?

 



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Re: Message filtering problem

[MAU]

Hello Jack,

> Have you tried any other options besides "sender"?

You don't need to quote his whole message just to ask that, do you? 
;-)

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Re: Is this discussion list active?

[Maggie Meister]

Hi Adrian,

On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 6:03:30 PM you wrote:

AG> Same here and that was dated August 01.

Mine, too. I've always wanted a time machine. :-)

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Re: Is this discussion list active?

[Adrian Godfrey]

Hello Maggie,

Same here and that was dated August 01.


Adrian

Friday, August 12, 2022, 5:50:14 PM, Maggie Meister mag...@leelehman.com wrote:

> I just received the dutaint monthly reminder today.

 



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Re: Is this discussion list active?

[Maggie Meister]

Hi Adrian,

I just received the dutaint monthly reminder today.

On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 3:43:20 PM you wrote:

AG> If you mean the post dated August 6 at 09:27 with the
AG> subject "sigdash", it was retrieved today (August 12) and I
AG> let The Bat check for mail every 30 minutes for all my e-mail
AG> addresses every day, but sometimes I set to "offline" during
AG> the night. It looks like there are delays at the server for this mailing 
list.
AG> There are two other mails, one dated August 11 and one
AG> August 12 that also did not get retrieved until today August 12.

AG> Adrian

AG> Saturday, August 6, 2022, 9:27:26 AM, Ian A. White raj.the...@gmail.com 
wrote:

>> G'day,

>> Is this discussion list active?

>> I posted a message some days ago, nut it still has not propagated through/


>> Regards.


AG>  


AG> 
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Regards,
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Re: Message filtering problem

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Chris,

On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 you wrote:

CW> 10 August 2022

CW> I am having filtering problems but do not understand why, as before
CW> upgrading to v10. I saw no issues. Here are the headers for a message that
CW> does not get filtered correctly, it is instead left placed in my new mail 
folder.

CW>

CW> Return-Path: 
CW> Delivered-To: ch...@chriswilson.tv
CW> Received: from shcp19.hosting.zen.net.uk
CW> by shcp19.hosting.zen.net.uk with LMTP
CW> id oCtmCmAB9GIyoBcAq/KeZA
CW> (envelope-from 
)
CW> for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2022 19:05:04 +
CW> Return-path: 
CW> Envelope-to: ch...@chriswilson.tv
CW> Delivery-date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 19:05:04 +
CW> Received: from mm2.emwd.com ([172.104.30.75]:38858)
CW> by shcp19.hosting.zen.net.uk with esmtps  (TLS1.2) tls 
TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384
CW> (Exim 4.95)
CW> (envelope-from 
)
CW> id 1oLr0r-006WDm-Fy
CW> for ch...@chriswilson.tv;
CW> Wed, 10 Aug 2022 19:05:04 +
CW> Received: from mm2.emwd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])
CW> by mm2.emwd.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBDF338105E
CW> for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2022 15:04:20 -0400 (EDT)
CW> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=emwd.com; s=harmony;
CW> t=1660158260; bh=rlM+N6OmEi+V8ajTnZ+5o8Ps4IRzuQaJYXc0s/ZpJaA=;
CW> h=To:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Reply-To:Subject:List-Id:
CW>  List-Archive:List-Help:List-Owner:List-Post:List-Subscribe:
CW>  List-Unsubscribe:From:Cc:From;
CW> b=PxOf3o4fLdfYsL07MliOfUtoCv/+kdGaN8G7QC41fzXbZ77to1hqfDYrva6kmjjJW
CW>  Uc54X2ZpUwejk/DY5g5s7BAyqwclNIebCfMLHFhZlcQZ5PDdrWIXpJz0y4ATrn3qX+
CW>  rIX0whPE1GvIU3rhb3ojUQHh6yzKS4QtO1X2VBipf8Aaptic1Uf/UJgMqWizQzBVRW
CW>  qphHJa7Ucj3GXb6DdQrCnnqtUGbJBRlzvpoKxW2uMIBcHIaK2ksZZVWbszai1Mipls
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CW>  sh284EgJdvotA==
CW> Received: from mail.dfm.dk (mail.dfm.dk [87.116.22.157])
CW> by mm2.emwd.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50191383C92
CW> for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2022 09:06:04 -0400 
(EDT)
CW> Received: from DELPHI.dfmdom.local (172.16.10.35) by DELPHI.dfmdom.local
CW>  (172.16.10.35) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2,
CW>  cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.2.986.26; Wed, 10 Aug
CW>  2022 15:06:02 +0200
CW> Received: from DELPHI.dfmdom.local ([fe80::54bd:62df:5089:b62d]) by
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CW>  15.02.0986.026; Wed, 10 Aug 2022 15:06:02 +0200
CW> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
CW> 
CW> Thread-Topic: [time-nuts] dial-up time source for NTP
CW> Thread-Index: AQHYrFPkZbUzZdYmC0ymMN5KmwhDSa2n+Z0A
CW> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 13:06:02 +
CW> Message-ID: <2566071.k3LOHGUjKi@dfm--jap>
CW> References: 

CW> In-Reply-To:
CW> 
CW> Accept-Language: en-US, da-DK
CW> Content-Language: en-US
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CW> X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 
CW> x-originating-ip: [87.116.22.146]
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CW> Content-ID: <89f4daf707e83246b45d0b8376e8f...@dfm.dk>
CW> MIME-Version: 1.0
CW> X-MailFrom: j...@dfm.dk
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CW> Message-ID-Hash: 53I7WFNCQTW44I2FE22MO2LQLTNZPXBD
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CW> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 15:01:40 -0400
CW> X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.3
CW> Precedence: list
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Re: Is this discussion list active?

[Adrian Godfrey]

If you mean the post dated August 6 at 09:27 with the subject "sigdash", it was 
retrieved today (August 12) and I let The Bat check for mail every 30 minutes 
for all my e-mail addresses every day, but sometimes I set to "offline" during 
the night. It looks like there are delays at the server for this mailing list.
There are two other mails, one dated August 11 and one August 12 that also did 
not get retrieved until today August 12.

Adrian

Saturday, August 6, 2022, 9:27:26 AM, Ian A. White raj.the...@gmail.com wrote:

> G'day,

> Is this discussion list active?

> I posted a message some days ago, nut it still has not propagated through/


> Regards.


 



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Re: Undeliberately deleted messages?

[REZK945]

Hi all,
ok, the "solution" (workaround) is to disable the inbox folder settings 
concerning maximum number of messages and time period for saving messages, as 
well as deleting old messages at program exit.
I don't know what's going wrong that messages get deleted when I set the values 
to 500 / 550, the deleted emails are the new ones, not the old ones. The 
messages which are marked as parked haven't been deleted before in the error 
mode.

Weird.

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am Mittwoch, 20. Juli 2022 um 17:57 schrieben Sie:

> Hi,
> today for the 2nd time (1st time was some months ago) several of my emails 
> disappeared from my web.de inbox folder. Exactly the emails from within the 
> last 7 days and the latest one which is displayed now has parking symbol..
> It happened after regular closing TheBat, installing some Windows 10 updates 
> and two Windows restarts.

> The Emails aren't in the trash or junk folder, they are simply gone.

> Any idea what could cause this behaviour?

> Maintenance rules for the inbox folder are:
> - maximum number of emails = 500
> - maximum time period for deleting 550 days
> - on quit delete old emails

> TheBat professional v. 10.0.10
> - web.de with pop3/smtp usage

> Any idea what could have happened and if I could find the emails somewhere?
> --
> Kind regards
> Harald
> mailto:rezk...@gmx.de


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Re: "Processing Folders" box is running every morning

[Stefan Tanurkov via TBUDL]

Hello Chris,

Thursday, July 14, 2022, 5:55:30 PM, you wrote:

 

Hello Chris,

Thursday, July 14, 2022, 1:17:18 PM, you wrote:





Hello everyone,



On Monday, June 27, 2022,  you wrote:











27 June 2022







Hi all, I have an issue with my new V10 TB! N






early every morning I find The Bat! has a box up saying it's processing folders. I can't cancel nor close it, other than using the Windows 7 64 bit Task Manager. It's progress bar never shows anything as happening. 





If I try running all options in the Maintenance Centre manually then, apart from some options showing in a corrupted font when running, it finishes all tasks OK.





Anyone know why TB! is taking it upon itself to maintain folders or whatever it's trying to overnight without being asked to?





Thanks.





This is now becoming intolerable and unless I can find a fix I have to choose between an earlier TB, and lose full access to GMAIL, or keep the current one and have it lock up every time I close the Windows Remote DEesktop cconnection to the remote Windows 7 PC it is running on.



I suspect a file or something from my previous legacy version is lurking somewhere and effecting things. Some options show as corrupted fonts when I manually run the Maintenance Centre, and one option, run on its own, locks up TB completely, never completes its task and needs Task Manager to kill it.



I have never come across any application run remotely that "knows" the remote connection has been closed and takes it upon itself to "do thing". How can this occur and are there any logging options to help find the cause please?



Below is an excerpt from one log I found, the ex_log.txt log:




v10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:07:24.400 StartupMgr:FinalizeTBXProps EAccessViolation Access violation at address 0041B852 in module 'TheBat64.exe'. Read of address v10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:07:24.407 MainForm:SecondAct EAccessViolation Access violation at address 0041B852 in module 'TheBat64.exe'. Read of address v10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:07:52.223 UpdateHelper:Unzip EFCreateError Cannot create file "C:\Users\Chris Wilson\AppData\Local\The Bat!\DelMsi.lst". The system cannot find the path specifiedv10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:07:53.615 UpdateHelper:Unzip EFCreateError Cannot create file "C:\Users\Chris Wilson\AppData\Local\The Bat!\DelMsi.lst". The system cannot find the path specifiedv10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:07:53.885 UpdateHelper:Unzip EFCreateError Cannot create file "C:\Users\Chris Wilson\AppData\Local\The Bat!\DelMsi.lst". The system cannot find the path specifiedv10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:07:54.867 UpdateHelper:Unzip EFCreateError Cannot create file "C:\Users\Chris Wilson\AppData\Local\The Bat!\DelMsi.lst". The system cannot find the path specifiedv10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:08:11.974 UpdateHelper:Unzip EFCreateError Cannot create file "C:\Users\Chris Wilson\AppData\Local\The Bat!\DelMsi.lst". The system cannot find the path specifiedv10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:13:00.988 UpdateHelper:OnZipProgress  Exception DownLoadTaskError: https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/v10/main64-10.1.zipv10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:22:39.078 UpdateHelper:Unzip EFCreateError Cannot create file "C:\Users\Chris Wilson\AppData\Local\The Bat!\DelMsi.lst". The system cannot find the path specifiedv10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:22:40.191 UpdateHelper:Unzip EFCreateError Cannot create file "C:\Users\Chris Wilson\AppData\Local\The Bat!\DelMsi.lst". The system cannot find the path specifiedv10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:22:40.568 UpdateHelper:Unzip EFCreateError Cannot create file "C:\Users\Chris Wilson\AppData\Local\The Bat!\DelMsi.lst". The system cannot find the path specifiedv10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:22:42.602 UpdateHelper:Unzip EFCreateError Cannot create file "C:\Users\Chris Wilson\AppData\Local\The Bat!\DelMsi.lst". The system cannot find the path specifiedv10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:22:58.938 UpdateHelper:Unzip EFCreateError Cannot create file "C:\Users\Chris Wilson\AppData\Local\The Bat!\DelMsi.lst". The system cannot find the path specifiedv10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:41:22.199 UpdateHelper:OnZipProgress  Exception DownLoadTaskError: https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/v10/main64-10.1.zipv10.1 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:57:05.292 MainForm:CheckTimerTimer EAccessViolation Access violation at address 777BD196 in module 'ntdll.dll'. Write of address 0018





and from the exceptions log, another excerpt:



Date: 13 Jul 2022 23:57:05OS: Windows 7 Professional SP1 X64 (AMD or Intel) build 7601PhysMemFreeTotal: 12281/16265 MBVirtMemFreeTotal: 8355208/8388607 MBMAPI #0: The Bat! [The Bat!]; Path: C:\The Bat!\tbmapi32.dll (not valid)MAPI #1: The Bat! Simple MAPI 64-bit [The Bat! Simple MAPI 64-bit]; Path: C:\The Bat!\tbmapi64.dll (valid)MAPI #2:  [Windows Mail]; Path:  (not valid)Default Profile: Address: 

Re: "Processing Folders" box is running every morning

[Stefan Tanurkov via TBUDL]

Hello Chris,

Thursday, July 14, 2022, 1:17:18 PM, you wrote:


> Hello everyone,

> On Monday, June 27, 2022,  you wrote:



>> 27 June 2022



>> Hi all, I have an issue with my new V10 TB! Nearly every morning I find The 
>> Bat! has a box up saying it's processing folders. I can't cancel nor close 
>> it, other than using the Windows 7 64 bit Task Manager. It's progress bar 
>> never shows anything as happening. 

>> If I try running all options in the Maintenance Centre manually then, apart 
>> from some options showing in a corrupted font when running, it finishes all 
>> tasks OK.

>> Anyone know why TB! is taking it upon itself to maintain folders or whatever 
>> it's trying to overnight without being asked to?

>> Thanks.


> This is now becoming intolerable and unless I can find a fix I have to choose 
> between an earlier TB, and lose full access to GMAIL, or keep the current one 
> and have it lock up every time I close the Windows Remote DEesktop 
> cconnection to the remote Windows 7 PC it is running on.

> I suspect a file or something from my previous legacy version is lurking 
> somewhere and effecting things. Some options show as corrupted fonts when I 
> manually run the Maintenance Centre, and one option, run on its own, locks up 
> TB completely, never completes its task and needs Task Manager to kill it.

> I have never come across any application run remotely that "knows" the remote 
> connection has been closed and takes it upon itself to "do thing". How can 
> this occur and are there any logging options to help find the cause please?

> Below is an excerpt from one log I found, the ex_log.txt log:


> v10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:07:24.400 StartupMgr:FinalizeTBXProps 
> EAccessViolation Access violation at address 0041B852 in module 
> 'TheBat64.exe'. Read of address 
> v10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:07:24.407 MainForm:SecondAct EAccessViolation 
> Access violation at address 0041B852 in module 'TheBat64.exe'. Read 
> of address 
> v10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:07:52.223 UpdateHelper:Unzip EFCreateError 
> Cannot create file "C:\Users\Chris Wilson\AppData\Local\The Bat!\DelMsi.lst". 
> The system cannot find the path specified
> v10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:07:53.615 UpdateHelper:Unzip EFCreateError 
> Cannot create file "C:\Users\Chris Wilson\AppData\Local\The Bat!\DelMsi.lst". 
> The system cannot find the path specified
> v10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:07:53.885 UpdateHelper:Unzip EFCreateError 
> Cannot create file "C:\Users\Chris Wilson\AppData\Local\The Bat!\DelMsi.lst". 
> The system cannot find the path specified
> v10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:07:54.867 UpdateHelper:Unzip EFCreateError 
> Cannot create file "C:\Users\Chris Wilson\AppData\Local\The Bat!\DelMsi.lst". 
> The system cannot find the path specified
> v10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:08:11.974 UpdateHelper:Unzip EFCreateError 
> Cannot create file "C:\Users\Chris Wilson\AppData\Local\The Bat!\DelMsi.lst". 
> The system cannot find the path specified
> v10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:13:00.988 UpdateHelper:OnZipProgress  
> Exception DownLoadTaskError: 
> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/v10/main64-10.1.zip
> v10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:22:39.078 UpdateHelper:Unzip EFCreateError 
> Cannot create file "C:\Users\Chris Wilson\AppData\Local\The Bat!\DelMsi.lst". 
> The system cannot find the path specified
> v10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:22:40.191 UpdateHelper:Unzip EFCreateError 
> Cannot create file "C:\Users\Chris Wilson\AppData\Local\The Bat!\DelMsi.lst". 
> The system cannot find the path specified
> v10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:22:40.568 UpdateHelper:Unzip EFCreateError 
> Cannot create file "C:\Users\Chris Wilson\AppData\Local\The Bat!\DelMsi.lst". 
> The system cannot find the path specified
> v10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:22:42.602 UpdateHelper:Unzip EFCreateError 
> Cannot create file "C:\Users\Chris Wilson\AppData\Local\The Bat!\DelMsi.lst". 
> The system cannot find the path specified
> v10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:22:58.938 UpdateHelper:Unzip EFCreateError 
> Cannot create file "C:\Users\Chris Wilson\AppData\Local\The Bat!\DelMsi.lst". 
> The system cannot find the path specified
> v10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:41:22.199 UpdateHelper:OnZipProgress  
> Exception DownLoadTaskError: 
> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/v10/main64-10.1.zip
> v10.1 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:57:05.292 MainForm:CheckTimerTimer 
> EAccessViolation Access violation at address 777BD196 in module 
> 'ntdll.dll'. Write of address 0018



> and from the exceptions log, another excerpt:

> Date: 13 Jul 2022 23:57:05
> OS: Windows 7 Professional SP1 X64 (AMD or Intel) build 7601
> PhysMemFreeTotal: 12281/16265 MB
> VirtMemFreeTotal: 8355208/8388607 MB
> MAPI #0: The Bat! [The Bat!]; Path: C:\The Bat!\tbmapi32.dll (not valid)
> MAPI #1: The Bat! Simple MAPI 64-bit [The Bat! Simple MAPI 64-bit]; Path: 
> 

Re: "Processing Folders" box is running every morning

[Chris Wilson]

Hello everyone,

On Monday, June 27, 2022,  you wrote:



CW> 27 June 2022



CW> Hi all, I have an issue with my new V10 TB! Nearly every morning I find The 
Bat! has a box up saying it's processing folders. I can't cancel nor close it, 
other than using the Windows 7 64 bit Task Manager. It's progress bar never 
shows anything as happening. 

CW> If I try running all options in the Maintenance Centre manually then, apart 
from some options showing in a corrupted font when running, it finishes all 
tasks OK.

CW> Anyone know why TB! is taking it upon itself to maintain folders or 
whatever it's trying to overnight without being asked to?

CW> Thanks.


This is now becoming intolerable and unless I can find a fix I have to choose 
between an earlier TB, and lose full access to GMAIL, or keep the current one 
and have it lock up every time I close the Windows Remote DEesktop cconnection 
to the remote Windows 7 PC it is running on.

I suspect a file or something from my previous legacy version is lurking 
somewhere and effecting things. Some options show as corrupted fonts when I 
manually run the Maintenance Centre, and one option, run on its own, locks up 
TB completely, never completes its task and needs Task Manager to kill it.

I have never come across any application run remotely that "knows" the remote 
connection has been closed and takes it upon itself to "do thing". How can this 
occur and are there any logging options to help find the cause please?

Below is an excerpt from one log I found, the ex_log.txt log:


v10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:07:24.400 StartupMgr:FinalizeTBXProps 
EAccessViolation Access violation at address 0041B852 in module 
'TheBat64.exe'. Read of address 
v10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:07:24.407 MainForm:SecondAct EAccessViolation 
Access violation at address 0041B852 in module 'TheBat64.exe'. Read of 
address 
v10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:07:52.223 UpdateHelper:Unzip EFCreateError 
Cannot create file "C:\Users\Chris Wilson\AppData\Local\The Bat!\DelMsi.lst". 
The system cannot find the path specified
v10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:07:53.615 UpdateHelper:Unzip EFCreateError 
Cannot create file "C:\Users\Chris Wilson\AppData\Local\The Bat!\DelMsi.lst". 
The system cannot find the path specified
v10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:07:53.885 UpdateHelper:Unzip EFCreateError 
Cannot create file "C:\Users\Chris Wilson\AppData\Local\The Bat!\DelMsi.lst". 
The system cannot find the path specified
v10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:07:54.867 UpdateHelper:Unzip EFCreateError 
Cannot create file "C:\Users\Chris Wilson\AppData\Local\The Bat!\DelMsi.lst". 
The system cannot find the path specified
v10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:08:11.974 UpdateHelper:Unzip EFCreateError 
Cannot create file "C:\Users\Chris Wilson\AppData\Local\The Bat!\DelMsi.lst". 
The system cannot find the path specified
v10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:13:00.988 UpdateHelper:OnZipProgress  Exception 
DownLoadTaskError: 
https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/v10/main64-10.1.zip
v10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:22:39.078 UpdateHelper:Unzip EFCreateError 
Cannot create file "C:\Users\Chris Wilson\AppData\Local\The Bat!\DelMsi.lst". 
The system cannot find the path specified
v10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:22:40.191 UpdateHelper:Unzip EFCreateError 
Cannot create file "C:\Users\Chris Wilson\AppData\Local\The Bat!\DelMsi.lst". 
The system cannot find the path specified
v10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:22:40.568 UpdateHelper:Unzip EFCreateError 
Cannot create file "C:\Users\Chris Wilson\AppData\Local\The Bat!\DelMsi.lst". 
The system cannot find the path specified
v10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:22:42.602 UpdateHelper:Unzip EFCreateError 
Cannot create file "C:\Users\Chris Wilson\AppData\Local\The Bat!\DelMsi.lst". 
The system cannot find the path specified
v10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:22:58.938 UpdateHelper:Unzip EFCreateError 
Cannot create file "C:\Users\Chris Wilson\AppData\Local\The Bat!\DelMsi.lst". 
The system cannot find the path specified
v10.0.10 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:41:22.199 UpdateHelper:OnZipProgress  Exception 
DownLoadTaskError: 
https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/v10/main64-10.1.zip
v10.1 64-bit / 13/07/2022 23:57:05.292 MainForm:CheckTimerTimer 
EAccessViolation Access violation at address 777BD196 in module 
'ntdll.dll'. Write of address 0018



and from the exceptions log, another excerpt:

Date: 13 Jul 2022 23:57:05
OS: Windows 7 Professional SP1 X64 (AMD or Intel) build 7601
PhysMemFreeTotal: 12281/16265 MB
VirtMemFreeTotal: 8355208/8388607 MB
MAPI #0: The Bat! [The Bat!]; Path: C:\The Bat!\tbmapi32.dll (not valid)
MAPI #1: The Bat! Simple MAPI 64-bit [The Bat! Simple MAPI 64-bit]; Path: 
C:\The Bat!\tbmapi64.dll (valid)
MAPI #2:  [Windows Mail]; Path:  (not valid)
Default Profile: 
Address: 777BD196
ClassName: EAccessViolation
Message: Access violation at address 777BD196 in 

Re[2]: Slimming Down the database / Archiving

[Chris Wilson]

Hello Tom,

On Sunday, July 3, 2022,  you wrote:



T> Hi Chris,

T> I finally got around to doing this and I am happy to report a successful 
outcome.
T> All these older messages are now combined in subfolders under Archive XXX 
and 
T> having this Account stored on a separate drive, does indeed reduce the size 
used for
T> my main OS and any twice-weekly backups.  The size for the TBK complete 
backup file has reduced from 16.2 gb to 5.8 gb.
T> The benefit of the password protection of the account compared to my 
original idea of just
T> moving the actual folders somewhere else is that I can now still open the 
archive easily and 
T> check on something if necessary.   Based on my experience that the minute 
you clear out something, you will need it,
T> this is quite a nice benefit. The only drawback I found was that moving 
messages was a bit more involved than
T> using cut/paste of some folders. 

T> Thanks Chris and Thomas for the suggestion.

T> Cheers
T> Tom

Glad my finding Thomas' message was useful to you.

What would be a highly useful feature to me would be to have a function where 
you command TB to make a new database mimicking the current ones structure, but 
with all folders showing an Archive and pre date identifier. 

So one would select an account, select a cut off month and year and tell it to 
archive, the result being a separate database created on a destination medium 
of user choice, containing only messages created or received pre whatever month 
and year. The database remaining within TB would then only contain messages 
created or received after the cut off date desired.



















-- 

Chris Wilson

"Using The Bat! v10.0.10 on Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1"








-- 



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Re: Slimming Down the database / Archiving

[Tom]

T>> So, you guys never felt the need for this ?  With 152 gb I would expect TB 
to be quite slow to open and having proper backups to be a pain?

> I am getting old and forgetful. It suddenly occurred to me that I
> had once asked a similar question here, and as I have kept all
> messages from starting to use TB! I found it for you. See below,
> Thomas Fernandez answered and although based on an earlier TB!
> version his response should still be applicable, I would have thought.


> @@@

> On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 15:20:04 +0100 GMT (27-Apr-19, 20:50 +0700 GMT),
> Chris Wilson wrote:

>> I am happily running a legacy version of TB! but my message base is
>> now huge. I was wondering if it is possible to somehow split the
>> message base based on date so I keep say the last two year's messages
>> in TB!' directory structure, and store older stuff elsewhere, perhaps
>> on tape or DVD? Thanks

> What I do is I "archive" old messages to other folders. For example, I
> name a subfolder "2016" and then move all messages from that year into
> that subfolder. This keep each folder with a manageable size. (Make
> sure you compact the folders in which the messages were stored
> previously.)

> If you want to store those messages somewhere else, you create a dummy
> account called "Archive". Under Account / Properties / Files &
> Directories, you to an external drive or a drive in the cloud (nobody
> uses tape or DVD any more). This way, you don't need to keep them on
> your computer's hard disk.

> --

> Cheers,
> Thomas.

> @

Hi Chris,

I finally got around to doing this and I am happy to report a successful 
outcome.
All these older messages are now combined in subfolders under Archive XXX and 
having this Account stored on a separate drive, does indeed reduce the size 
used for
my main OS and any twice-weekly backups.  The size for the TBK complete backup 
file has reduced from 16.2 gb to 5.8 gb.
The benefit of the password protection of the account compared to my original 
idea of just
moving the actual folders somewhere else is that I can now still open the 
archive easily and 
check on something if necessary.   Based on my experience that the minute you 
clear out something, you will need it,
this is quite a nice benefit. The only drawback I found was that moving 
messages was a bit more involved than
using cut/paste of some folders. 

Thanks Chris and Thomas for the suggestion.

Cheers
Tom














-- 
Tom
using TheBat! 8.8.9 on XP
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Re[2]: Slimming Down the database / Archiving

[Chris Wilson]

Hello Tom,

On Saturday, June 25, 2022,  you wrote:

T> Saturday, June 25, 2022, 6:33:05 PM, you wrote:

>> On Saturday, June 25, 2022, 10:25:45, Chris Wilson wrote:

>>> Watching with interest 40 + GB of mail and attachments here, which stored 
>>> in the current database is ridiculous

>> 152 GB here…


T> So, you guys never felt the need for this ?  With 152 gb I would expect TB 
to be quite slow to open and having proper backups to be a pain?

I am getting old and forgetful. It suddenly occurred to me that I had once 
asked a similar question here, and as I have kept all messages from starting to 
use TB! I found it for you. See below, Thomas Fernandez answered and although 
based on an earlier TB! version his response should still be applicable, I 
would have thought.


@@@

On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 15:20:04 +0100 GMT (27-Apr-19, 20:50 +0700 GMT),
Chris Wilson wrote:

> I am happily running a legacy version of TB! but my message base is
> now huge. I was wondering if it is possible to somehow split the
> message base based on date so I keep say the last two year's messages
> in TB!' directory structure, and store older stuff elsewhere, perhaps
> on tape or DVD? Thanks

What I do is I "archive" old messages to other folders. For example, I
name a subfolder "2016" and then move all messages from that year into
that subfolder. This keep each folder with a manageable size. (Make
sure you compact the folders in which the messages were stored
previously.)

If you want to store those messages somewhere else, you create a dummy
account called "Archive". Under Account / Properties / Files &
Directories, you to an external drive or a drive in the cloud (nobody
uses tape or DVD any more). This way, you don't need to keep them on
your computer's hard disk.

--

Cheers,
Thomas.

@







-- 

Chris Wilson

"Using The Bat! v10.0.10 on Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1"








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Re: Slimming Down the database / Archiving

[Jernej Simončič]

On Saturday, June 25, 2022, 14:07:36, Tom wrote:

> So, you guys never felt the need for this ?  With 152 gb I would expect TB to 
> be quite slow to open and having proper backups to be a pain?

Used to be that TB was a bit slow (=5 seconds) to open folders with more than 
~9000 messages, but this hasn't been the case in a while (despite me keeping 
the message base on spinning rust, not SSD).

As for why I keep all of it? Because it's less work than not keeping it.

-- 
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An unbreakable toy is useful for breaking other toys.
   -- Van Roy's Law



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Re: Slimming Down the database / Archiving

[Tom]

Saturday, June 25, 2022, 6:33:05 PM, you wrote:

> On Saturday, June 25, 2022, 10:25:45, Chris Wilson wrote:

>> Watching with interest 40 + GB of mail and attachments here, which stored in 
>> the current database is ridiculous

> 152 GB here…


So, you guys never felt the need for this ?  With 152 gb I would expect TB to 
be quite slow to open and having proper backups to be a pain?


-- 
Tom
using TheBat! 8.8.9 on XP
Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re[2]: Slimming Down the database / Archiving

[Chris Wilson]

Hello Jernej,

On Saturday, June 25, 2022,  you wrote:

JS> On Saturday, June 25, 2022, 10:25:45, Chris Wilson wrote:

>> Watching with interest 40 + GB of mail and attachments here, which stored in 
>> the current database is ridiculous

JS> 152 GB here…

That's an amazing amount of mail, people must either really love you or really 
hate you :)






-- 

Chris Wilson

"Using The Bat! v10.0.10 on Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1"








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Re[2]: Can I test TB! V on a time limied basis before purchase?

[Chris Wilson]

Hello Jernej,

On Saturday, June 25, 2022,  you wrote:

JS> On Saturday, June 25, 2022, 10:24:27, Chris Wilson wrote:

>> Thanks Jernej and MAU, that's remarkable, I never thought that would still 
>> be an option. I really do like my threading lines :)

JS> You'll probably also like the option next to it - "Use denser display of 
items" :)


I do indeed like that original look. If only it could take me back in time, 
too :) Thanks for the tip.







-- 

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"Using The Bat! v10.0.10 on Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1"








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Re: Can I test TB! V on a time limied basis before purchase?

[Jernej Simončič]

On Saturday, June 25, 2022, 10:24:27, Chris Wilson wrote:

> Thanks Jernej and MAU, that's remarkable, I never thought that would still be 
> an option. I really do like my threading lines :)

You'll probably also like the option next to it - "Use denser display of items" 
:)

-- 
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Everything costs more and takes longer.
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Re: Slimming Down the database / Archiving

[Jernej Simončič]

On Saturday, June 25, 2022, 10:25:45, Chris Wilson wrote:

> Watching with interest 40 + GB of mail and attachments here, which stored in 
> the current database is ridiculous

152 GB here…

-- 
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Any fool can make a rule, and every fool will mind it.
   -- Thoreau's Rule



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Re: Slimming Down the database / Archiving

[Chris Wilson]

Hello Tom,

On Saturday, June 25, 2022,  you wrote:

T> Hello Everyone,

T> my TB has grown over the years and the backup files are now more than 
T>  gb in size.
T> I would like to tidy up a bit without messing up everything.

T> My idea is to create new Archive folders and then moving older emails into 
these archive folders. 
T> Can I then remove these completely to a different harddrive/backup storage 
in case I ever need them again? 
T> Currently my mail directory is at on my OS drive at %APPDATA%\The Bat!\

Watching with interest 40 + GB of mail and attachments here, which stored in 
the current database is ridiculous









-- 

Chris Wilson

"Using The Bat! v10.0.10 on Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1"








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Re[2]: Can I test TB! V on a time limied basis before purchase?

[Chris Wilson]

Hello MAU,

On Friday, June 24, 2022,  you wrote:

M> Hello Chris,

>> Only disappointment so far is that in my preferred threaded view
>> mode the interconnecting lines between messages have gone and are
>> replaced by arrows and unmarked indents. I do not suppose there's a
>> way of getting the thread lines back is there? 

M> As you can see in my signature below, I am using V9. But I think it is 
M> just the same in v10.

M> From the top menu, select Options/Preferences/Other Options and tick  
M> Display "old style" lines in tree views.

Thanks Jernej and MAU, that's remarkable, I never thought that would still be 
an option. I really do like my threading lines :)








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Re: Can I test TB! V on a time limied basis before purchase?

[MAU]

Hello Chris,

> Only disappointment so far is that in my preferred threaded view
> mode the interconnecting lines between messages have gone and are
> replaced by arrows and unmarked indents. I do not suppose there's a
> way of getting the thread lines back is there? 

As you can see in my signature below, I am using V9. But I think it is 
just the same in v10.

>From the top menu, select Options/Preferences/Other Options and tick  
Display "old style" lines in tree views.

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Re: Can I test TB! V on a time limied basis before purchase?

[Jernej Simončič]

On Friday, June 24, 2022, 22:33:10, Chris Wilson wrote:

> Only disappointment so far is that in my preferred threaded view mode the 
> interconnecting lines between messages have gone and are replaced by arrows 
> and unmarked indents. I do not suppose there's a way of getting the thread 
> lines back is there? 

Preferences → Other options → Display old-style lines in treeviews

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Re[2]: Can I test TB! V on a time limied basis before purchase?

[Chris Wilson]

Hello Jernej,

On Friday, June 24, 2022,  you wrote:

JS> On Friday, June 24, 2022, 11:33:33, Chris Wilson wrote:

>> Silly me, the 30 day trial offer is prominent on the Ritlabs home page, my 
>> apologies. But what's the difference between the auto updating versions and 
>> the none auto updating ones please?

JS> Auto-updating version will update itself automatically in the background 
(similar to how most browsers update), while the regular version requires you 
to update it manually whenever a new release is made.

>> Is there much to importing a very large message and attachment base from 
>> this v5.8.10 version to the current one along with my filters, address book 
>> and Sorting Office settings?

JS> Make a backup first (in case you decide to return to older version), but 
other than that, the new version should import the old messages and filters 
automatically.

As my sig hopefully shows I got v10.0.10 working. The only issue is it saw 
duplicates (which really existed) in my address book, but the Bat! splash 
screen hid the overwrite confirmation box and I had to keep using Task Manager 
to get rid of the main splash screen to enable each confirmation. I deleted all 
the duplicates in the end, and it has calmed down now :)

Only disappointment so far is that in my preferred threaded view mode the 
interconnecting lines between messages have gone and are replaced by arrows and 
unmarked indents. I do not suppose there's a way of getting the thread lines 
back is there? 

I have the message bases on my D: drive at D:\TB_Mail, and the basic TB! files 
at C:\TheBat I installed V10 in the same C:\TheBat directory as the old one, 
can I, once happy with V10, just delete the older files in there?

Thanks again.



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Re: Can I test TB! V on a time limied basis before purchase?

[Jernej Simončič]

On Friday, June 24, 2022, 11:33:33, Chris Wilson wrote:

> Silly me, the 30 day trial offer is prominent on the Ritlabs home page, my 
> apologies. But what's the difference between the auto updating versions and 
> the none auto updating ones please?

Auto-updating version will update itself automatically in the background 
(similar to how most browsers update), while the regular version requires you 
to update it manually whenever a new release is made.

> Is there much to importing a very large message and attachment base from this 
> v5.8.10 version to the current one along with my filters, address book and 
> Sorting Office settings?

Make a backup first (in case you decide to return to older version), but other 
than that, the new version should import the old messages and filters 
automatically.

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Re: Can I test TB! V on a time limied basis before purchase?

[Chris Wilson]

Hello Chris,

On Friday, June 24, 2022,  you wrote:



CW> 24 June 2022



CW> I can't decide if I should abandon GMAIL or update my legacy TB!
CW> version to the current one. I am getting a bit old to learn a new
CW> interface, and it were not for GMAIL playing   silly beggars I'd
CW> be quite content with this v5.8.10

CW> Can I download v10* and try it first? Thanks.




Silly me, the 30 day trial offer is prominent on the Ritlabs home page, my 
apologies. But what's the difference between the auto updating versions and the 
none auto updating ones please?

Is there much to importing a very large message and attachment base from this 
v5.8.10 version to the current one along with my filters, address book and 
Sorting Office settings?

Thanks.



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Re: Gmail

[Jernej Simončič]

On Friday, June 24, 2022, 06:23:01, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

> Thanks Jernej. It seems you are correct. In my version 6 the path described by
> Miguel does not yield OAUTH. Fortunately I had/have little use for Gmail so 
> it's
> not a great loss.

You might be able to generate an app-specific password in gmail web interface 
to use with The Bat.

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Re: Gmail

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello MAU,

On Thursday, June 23, 2022 you wrote:

M> Hello Jack,

>> Where does one get OAUTH? Is it part of TB!?
M> Account/Properties/Transport/Receive mail/Authentication/OAUTH

Thanks for trying but as you can see in my reply to Jernej, it was not meant t o
be.

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Re: Gmail

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Jernej,

On Thursday, June 23, 2022 you wrote:

JS> On Thursday, June 23, 2022, 17:53:36, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

>> Where does one get OAUTH? Is it part of TB!?

JS> It is, but only since version 7 or 8.

Thanks Jernej. It seems you are correct. In my version 6 the path described by
Miguel does not yield OAUTH. Fortunately I had/have little use for Gmail so it's
not a great loss.

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Jack
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Re: Gmail

[MAU]

Hello Jack,

> Where does one get OAUTH? Is it part of TB!?
Account/Properties/Transport/Receive mail/Authentication/OAUTH


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Re: Gmail

[Jernej Simončič]

On Thursday, June 23, 2022, 17:53:36, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

> Where does one get OAUTH? Is it part of TB!?

It is, but only since version 7 or 8.

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Re: Gmail

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello MAU,

On Thursday, June 9, 2022 you wrote:

M> Hello Adrian,

>> Gmail needs OAUTH. This is supported in Version 10 of The Bat.

M> I have not upgraded to v10 and I use OAUTH with no problem.

Where does one get OAUTH? Is it part of TB!?

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Re: Delete 'older than'

[Gunivortus Goos]

Hello Adria,

> It can be done with filters. Either "date of" and/or "header field, date" as 
> the condition and "delete message" as the action. The deleted messages will 
> end up in "Trash", so you need to purge and compact "Trash" afterwards.
Will try that. Thanks. However, it may need some 'investifation'. 
The last filters I created must be some 5 years ago. :-)
Since then I just stick to them.
 
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Re: Delete 'older than'

[MAU]

Hello Adrian,

> It can be done with filters. Either "date of" and/or "header field,
> date" as the condition and "delete message" as the action. The
> deleted messages will end up in "Trash", so you need to purge and compact 
> "Trash" afterwards.

That is probably the best and easiest way to do it.

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Re: Delete 'older than'

[Adrian Godfrey]

It can be done with filters. Either "date of" and/or "header field, date" as 
the condition and "delete message" as the action. The deleted messages will end 
up in "Trash", so you need to purge and compact "Trash" afterwards.

Adrian


Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 9:54:19 AM, Gunivortus Goos g...@boudicca.de wrote:

> Hello,
>  
> is there an option to delete messages that are older than a certain date?
>  
> I've over 7000 messages in my inbound, down to 2014. I'd like to delete
> all from before 2019.


 



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Re: Delete 'older than'

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Gunivortus,

On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 you wrote:

GG> Hello,

GG>  

GG> is there an option to delete messages that are older than a certain date?

GG>  

GG> I've over 7000 messages in my inbound, down to 2014. I'd like to delete

GG> all from before 2019.


Right-click the folder and select PROPERTIES. Then select ADDITIONAL from the
tree (second option down). At least that's the way it's done in my version.

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Re: Delete 'older than'

[MAU]

Hello Gunivortus,

> is there an option to delete messages that are older than a certain date?
I think the only option is in folder Properties > Additional > Keep messages in 
base for (days).
 
But you may use a little trick. Create a virtual folder looking at you inbound. 
In Advance filter settings select 'Date of reception if before Date' and the 
virtual folder, once refreshed, will display the messages you want to delete. 
It should work.

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Re: (Sort of) New User Questions

[Fred Weissman]

Thanks Jernej!

I've looked at the Editor/Viewer options a million times and must've skipped 
over HTML Viewer. Once I disabled that everything fell into place, including 
how my adding attachments. 

As for changing the email address of this list, it was right where you said it 
would be - thanks very much for the link.

Appreciate the help. 


> On Thursday, June 9, 2022, 20:17:55, Fred Weissman wrote:

>> 1- I'm  a plain-text person, not HTML. I will use it for email when 
>> absolutely necessary. I want my new messages -and- my replies to be in 
>> plain-text. Where and what are the proper settings to make this the default 
>> no matter what format the reply is?

> Check out the options in Preferences → Viewer/Editor, everything you need is 
> there.

>> 2- Perhaps related to #1, when I add an attachment to a new message or a 
>> reply, it becomes part of the body of the message. In v2 I was to have 
>> attachments as icons in a pane to the left of the message editor. Again, how 
>> can I make this the default?

> Not sure about this – my attachments always appear in a separate pane.

>> 3- In regards to this mailing list (TBUDL) how can I change my email 
>> address? I signed up with one address, but am now needing to change to 
>> another.

> Check if there's an option at 
> , but 
> otherwise you have to unsubscribe with old address and subscribe with the new 
> one.



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Re: (Sort of) New User Questions

[Jernej Simončič]

On Thursday, June 9, 2022, 20:17:55, Fred Weissman wrote:

> 1- I'm  a plain-text person, not HTML. I will use it for email when 
> absolutely necessary. I want my new messages -and- my replies to be in 
> plain-text. Where and what are the proper settings to make this the default 
> no matter what format the reply is?

Check out the options in Preferences → Viewer/Editor, everything you need is 
there.

> 2- Perhaps related to #1, when I add an attachment to a new message or a 
> reply, it becomes part of the body of the message. In v2 I was to have 
> attachments as icons in a pane to the left of the message editor. Again, how 
> can I make this the default?

Not sure about this – my attachments always appear in a separate pane.

> 3- In regards to this mailing list (TBUDL) how can I change my email address? 
> I signed up with one address, but am now needing to change to another.

Check if there's an option at 
, but otherwise 
you have to unsubscribe with old address and subscribe with the new one.

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Re: Gmail

[Jernej Simončič]

On Thursday, June 9, 2022, 19:17:46, MAU wrote:

> I have not upgraded to v10 and I use OAUTH with no problem.

OAUTH support was added in version 7 IIRC.

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Re: Gmail

[MAU]

Hello Adrian,

> Gmail needs OAUTH. This is supported in Version 10 of The Bat.

I have not upgraded to v10 and I use OAUTH with no problem.

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Re: Gmail

[Adrian Godfrey]

The problem with gmail is that changes in May have broken almost every e-mail 
client. Gmail needs OAUTH. This is supported in Version 10 of The Bat.

If you look in the account log for your gmail address , you will see "username 
and password not accepted" Note "not accepted". That is different from 
"invalid" or "not valid".

Unless you actually need to send mail from a gmail address, just forward 
everything that arrives at your gmail address to an e-mail address on another 
domain. www.gmail.com. Settings, Forwarding and POP

Adrian


 



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Re: Moving messages from a local database of an expired IMAP account to folders in a different account

[Luca via TBUDL]

Luca via TBUDL:

> Stefan Tanurkov via TBUDL:
> 
> > Hello Luca,
> > 
> > Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 7:53:06 PM, you wrote:
> > 
> > > I have an expired IMAP account with lots of messages in the local 
> > > database. It
> > > seems that I cannot move or copy any message to a folder in a different
> > > account. The command "Message/Copy to folder..." doesn't work.
> > 
> > Yeah, if connection with the server cannot be established, you need to 
> > operate manually 
> > it is possible copy .TBB and .TBN files of an IMAP folder 
> > as Message.TBB 
> > and Messages.TBN of a local folder - they have the same format. 
> 
> I tried something like that, but database files in my IMAP account have
> extensions .EBB and .EBN. How should I handle them?

I got it! E stands for Encrypted, right? My error was that I didn't rename
them as Messages.EBB/EBN.

It works. Messages with no body still have some header fields visible in the
header list, good. 

Maybe Message/View source (F9) should work for no body messages too? It
doesn't, at the moment. 

Is there a reason why Message/Copy to folder... doesn't work even when body is
available?

What I really miss since ever is drag and drop of whole folders between
different accounts. Migrating a folder tree to a different account with TB has
always been a pain in the ass.

Thank you.

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Re: Moving messages from a local database of an expired IMAP account to folders in a different account

[Luca via TBUDL]

Stefan Tanurkov via TBUDL:

> Hello Luca,
> 
> Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 7:53:06 PM, you wrote:
> 
> > I have an expired IMAP account with lots of messages in the local database. 
> > It
> > seems that I cannot move or copy any message to a folder in a different
> > account. The command "Message/Copy to folder..." doesn't work.
> 
> Yeah, if connection with the server cannot be established, you need to 
> operate manually 
> it is possible copy .TBB and .TBN files of an IMAP folder as 
> Message.TBB 
> and Messages.TBN of a local folder - they have the same format. 

I tried something like that, but database files in my IMAP account have
extensions .EBB and .EBN. How should I handle them?

Tnx.

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Re: Moving messages from a local database of an expired IMAP account to folders in a different account

[Stefan Tanurkov via TBUDL]

Hello Luca,

Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 7:53:06 PM, you wrote:

> I have an expired IMAP account with lots of messages in the local database. It
> seems that I cannot move or copy any message to a folder in a different
> account. The command "Message/Copy to folder..." doesn't work.

Yeah, if connection with the server cannot be established, you need to operate 
manually - it is possible copy .TBB and .TBN files of an IMAP 
folder as Message.TBB and Messages.TBN of a local folder - they have the same 
format. The only problem that could occur is absence of downloaded message body 
or attachments... 



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Re: Photos no longer appearing

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Stefan,

On Friday, May 20, 2022 you wrote:

STvT> Hello Jack,

STvT> Friday, May 20, 2022, 2:30:14 AM, you wrote:

>> If you could scroll down past the big blue bar you used to
>> see pictures of today's mail. It no longer displays the pictures 

STvT> From what I see, the problem could be because the image file names do not
STvT> contain extensions or because they use in some non-standard image format.

STvT> If the message doesn't contain any sensitive data, please forward the
STvT> message to me directly, so we can see what's wrong with it.

I sent a separate "redirect" to you so that you could see exactly what I see.
You'll notice that the image filenames tabs do have .jpg extensions. The
previous attachment was a screenshot (of a different email) of what I saw and
you were correct, the first two image filenames did not have extensions yet all
three of the images would appear in a redirect.

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Re: Forward with attachment(s)

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Miguel,

On Friday, May 20, 2022 you wrote:

M> Hello Jack,

>> Then I went into account properties and looked at the forward
>> template. I noticed the "Forward messages as attachments (MIME
>> Standard)" was ticked.

M> That was certainly your original problem for not seeing pictures as 
M> attachments when forwarding. The forwarded message is attached as a 
M> .eml, and no more attachments, but also the text in the editor window 
M> id displayed as per your forward template. This is what I think led 
M> you to think pictures were not being attached.

As you can see, Stefan was kind enough to reply to my query as well. I am going
to redirect one of these emails to him because that's the only way he can see
what I see.

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Re: Forward with attachment(s)

[MAU]

Hello Jack,

> Then I went into account properties and looked at the forward
> template. I noticed the "Forward messages as attachments (MIME
> Standard)" was ticked.

That was certainly your original problem for not seeing pictures as 
attachments when forwarding. The forwarded message is attached as a 
.eml, and no more attachments, but also the text in the editor window 
id displayed as per your forward template. This is what I think led 
you to think pictures were not being attached.

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Re: Photos no longer appearing

[Stefan Tanurkov via TBUDL]

Hello Jack,

Friday, May 20, 2022, 2:30:14 AM, you wrote:

> If you could scroll down past the big blue bar you used to
> see pictures of today's mail. It no longer displays the pictures 

>From what I see, the problem could be because the image file names do not 
>contain extensions or because they use in some non-standard image format.

If the message doesn't contain any sensitive data, please forward the message 
to me directly, so we can see what's wrong with it.


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Re: Forward with attachment(s)

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello MAU,

On Monday, May 16, 2022 you wrote:

M> Hello Jack,

>> Well, that makes sense. I can easily see what you're talking about. But it 
>> still
>> doesn't answer the question of why attachments aren't forwarded with the 
>> email.

M> I have no idea why your attachments aren't forwarded. All I can do is
M> volunteer to investigate. When you run into that problem again with a
M> new email, if you don't mind, please forward it to me by PM, as a MIME
M> attachment (remember the option in the FWD template), so it will
M> include everything, and I will take a look to see if I find anything
M> "special" in the message that may be the cause.

Maybe I'm just too old to be using a client as powerful as TB!

Rather than wait for something to come in so I could forward it to you, I took
an image from my phone and sent it to myself. Then I looked at both forwarding
and redirecting to see which would include the picture. Only redirecting would
include the picture. Then I went into account properties and looked at the
forward template. I noticed the "Forward messages as attachments (MIME
Standard)" was ticked. I un-ticked it and tried to forward the message again.
This time the picture was included in the forward.

I AM too old to be using a client as powerful as TB!

But not too old to thank you once again for helping.

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Re: Is my legacy TB! version usable with the upcoming Google security changes please?

[Adrian Godfrey]

Version 10 works, but you have to jump through some hoops with a web browser 
when you first add a gmail address to The Bat.
Unless you actually need to send from a gmail address, you can fix retrieval of 
mail at www.gmail.com and forwarding everything (and delete from Google servers 
afterwards) to an e-mail address on a domain that doesn't break every e-mail 
client on the planet.


Adrian

Tuesday, May 17, 2022, 4:49:48 AM, Achdut18 achdu...@gmail.com wrote:

> The threshold question remains, what is the latest version of The Bat that 
> will support the new security changes annouced by Google and which become 
> effective in just two weeks?

 



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Re: Is my legacy TB! version usable with the upcoming Google security changes please?

[Achdut18]

The threshold question remains, what is the latest version of The Bat that will 
support the new security changes annouced by Google and which become effective 
in just two weeks?

Friday, April 29, 2022, 8:14:10 AM, Thomas wrote:

TFM> Hello Stefan,

TFM> On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 15:41:12 +0300 GMT (29/04/2022, 19:41 +0700 GMT),

TFM> Stefan Tanurkov via TBUDL wrote:

*   *   *

TFM> Google will require OAUTH 2.0 from 30 May on. From which version on does 
TB! support this?

Thomas replied

>> With v10 released yesterday, Ritlabs is offering 50% discount from the full 
>> price for upgrade from versions prior to 9.0, the upgrade process must be 
>> painless as the only thing is needed is just installation of the new version 
>> (it is always recommended to have a backup, of course).

TFM> Nice move!


The 50% discount is nice but does me no good, since I have version 9.5.1, but 
purchased it BEFORE the date for which one may receive a free upgrade to The 
Bat. So, the question remains, what is the oldest version of The Bat that will 
support the new protocol, and will even the newest version support it?

-- 
 Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! Pro ver. 9.5.1 on Win 7 Pro 



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Re: Forward with attachment(s)

[MAU]

Hello Jack,

> Well, that makes sense. I can easily see what you're talking about. But it 
> still
> doesn't answer the question of why attachments aren't forwarded with the 
> email.

I have no idea why your attachments aren't forwarded. All I can do is
volunteer to investigate. When you run into that problem again with a
new email, if you don't mind, please forward it to me by PM, as a MIME
attachment (remember the option in the FWD template), so it will
include everything, and I will take a look to see if I find anything
"special" in the message that may be the cause.

-- 
Best regards,

Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial (Madrid)- Spain)
Using The Bat! Version 9.5.1 (64-bit)




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Re: Forward with attachment(s)

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Miguel,

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 you wrote:

M> Hello Jack,

>> I'm going to try it with that box ticked as soon as I find a good
>> specimen to forward.

M> That is not your problem. If you tick that box what will happen is 
M> that any message that you want to forward will be included as an .eml 
M> MIME attachment, and the text of the message (the one you are creating, 
M> will depend on your Forward template for the account or folder you are 
M> selecting. If you untick that box, there will be no .eml attachment, 
M> just the text created by your template.

M> Now, in your first message you were asking about the difference 
M> between Forward and Redirect, right?

M> - Forward opens an Editor window with contents that depends on your 
M> Forward template; and you can add, delete or correct/change any text 
M> before sending.

M> - Redirect opens a kind of Editor window with exactly the message you
M> are redirecting, there is no template option for Redirect, and you
M> cannot delete or edit or add any part of the message, just include the new 
To 
M> address where you want to redirect the message.

M> More or less ;-)

Well, that makes sense. I can easily see what you're talking about. But it still
doesn't answer the question of why attachments aren't forwarded with the email.
If the screenshot comes through, you can see how my FORWARD template is set up
(never having been modified since TB! was installed). I don't see anything that
would affect attachments.

-- 
Regards,
Jack
Central Alabama USA

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Re: Forward with attachment(s)

[MAU]

Hello Jack,

> I'm going to try it with that box ticked as soon as I find a good
> specimen to forward.

That is not your problem. If you tick that box what will happen is 
that any message that you want to forward will be included as an .eml 
MIME attachment, and the text of the message (the one you are creating, 
will depend on your Forward template for the account or folder you are 
selecting. If you untick that box, there will be no .eml attachment, 
just the text created by your template.

Now, in your first message you were asking about the difference 
between Forward and Redirect, right?

- Forward opens an Editor window with contents that depends on your 
Forward template; and you can add, delete or correct/change any text 
before sending.

- Redirect opens a kind of Editor window with exactly the message you
are redirecting, there is no template option for Redirect, and you
cannot delete or edit or add any part of the message, just include the new To 
address where you want to redirect the message.

More or less ;-)

-- 
Best regards,

Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial (Madrid)- Spain)
Using The Bat! Version 9.5.1 (64-bit)




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Re: Forward with attachment(s)

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Thomas,

On Saturday, May 14, 2022 you wrote:

TFM> Hello Jack,

TFM> On Sat, 14 May 2022 10:27:36 -0500 GMT (14/05/2022, 22:27 +0700 GMT),
TFM> Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

>> If I *forward* a message which contains pictures as attachments, the pictures
>> don't get forwarded. If on the other hand I *redirect* that same message, the
>> pictures are redirected along with the message.

>> Is there an option somewhere or am I just not understanding the difference
>> between the two methods?

TFM> How exactly do you forward? Over here, pictures and other attachments are 
forwarded.

TFM> My settings:

TFM> Account / Properties / Templates / Forward: [ ] Forward as MIME is *not* 
ticked.

TFM> I use the arrow button to forward rather than the menu item.

My settings appear to be the same as yours. The only difference appears to be
how that last is worded. Mine says "Forward messages as attachments (MIME
standard)" and it was NOT ticked.

I use the "Forward" icon nestled between the "Reply" and "Redirect" icons at the
top of my screen to initiate a "Forward". I'm going to try it with that box
ticked as soon as I find a good specimen to forward.

BTW, your cut mark is missing a space at the end.

Thanks Thomas.

-- 
Regards,
Jack
Central Alabama USA

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Re: Forward with attachment(s)

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello Jack,

On Sat, 14 May 2022 10:27:36 -0500 GMT (14/05/2022, 22:27 +0700 GMT),
Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

> If I *forward* a message which contains pictures as attachments, the pictures
> don't get forwarded. If on the other hand I *redirect* that same message, the
> pictures are redirected along with the message.

> Is there an option somewhere or am I just not understanding the difference
> between the two methods?

How exactly do you forward? Over here, pictures and other attachments are 
forwarded.

My settings:

Account / Properties / Templates / Forward: [ ] Forward as MIME is *not* ticked.

I use the arrow button to forward rather than the menu item.

--


Cheers,
Thomas.

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