Re: Backup progress window
Hello Jos, Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 3:09:37 PM, you wrote: JK Hello Jack, JK Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 4:03:16 PM, you wrote: JSL I appreciate your suggestion but I'll probably just abandon the idea JSL of automatic or scheduled TB! backups as I manually backup the entire JSL C: drive to the F: drive using Acronis every Saturday. In addition, I JSL also subscribe to Carbonite which automatically (in the background) JSL keeps my entire C: drive backed up off-site in real time. JK Everybody his own system g. Here once a week with Drive Image C: to JK another partition and My Documents, including backups of some programs, on JK a DVD-RW. JSL I'm a little concerned however about your mention of your backup being JSL called ab.tbk. IIRC ab stands for address book. Are you sure you're JSL backing up everything in TB! or is it just the address book? JK Thanks for your concern, but it is a backup of _everything_in The Bat! I JK think here ab stands for automatic backup, but I don't remember if that JK was my or Schedulers choice... Oh jeeez! That, of course, never occurred to me. I can only refer back to my earlier comment about hiding my own Easter eggs. :GP: -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup progress window
Hello Jos, Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 12:55:50 PM, you wrote: JK Hello Jack, JK Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 6:37:35 PM, you wrote: RO BTW2 No, it isn't possible to start TB's autobackup manually, though RO it appears to be possible to change the time it starts to something RO sooner. JSL I tried this by setting the days counter to the minimum (1 day) and JSL setting the time to now+2 minutes. Sure enough, the autobackup started JSL in a couple of minutes, ran to completion and stored the JSL autobackup.tbk file on the F: drive as specified in the default JSL filename OPTIONSPREFERENCESSYSTEMAUTOBACKUPADVANCED but again, JSL without the date/time embedded in the filename. JK When it is a task in the Scheduler, right click and 'Execute task now'. JK Here, autobackup with notification made in the Scheduler, the filename is JK just ab.tbk. But when I point at this file there is a pop up with date and JK size. I appreciate your suggestion but I'll probably just abandon the idea of automatic or scheduled TB! backups as I manually backup the entire C: drive to the F: drive using Acronis every Saturday. In addition, I also subscribe to Carbonite which automatically (in the background) keeps my entire C: drive backed up off-site in real time. I'm a little concerned however about your mention of your backup being called ab.tbk. IIRC ab stands for address book. Are you sure you're backing up everything in TB! or is it just the address book? -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup progress window
Hallo Jack, On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 07:12:06 -0500GMT (2-6-2008, 14:12 +0200, where I live), you wrote: JSL I'd like to experiment with this file naming protocol and find out JSL where the last backup went. Is there a way to manually start TB!'s JSL backup at will? How big was your last saved backup and much free space have you got on the drive where you store your backups? And much free space have got left on the drive where your temp directory is stored? In the past it wasn't possible to use macros in the name of the autobackup, has that been changed? That was the reason that I didn't use the autobackup feature but still used my own scheduled backup that allowed for macros in the name. BTW Searching for the files is rather easy, just search for the .tbk extension. BTW2 No, it isn't possible to start TB's autobackup manually, though it appears to be possible to change the time it starts to something sooner. -- Groetjes, Roelof Fatal error : Mac user detected ! IDIOT MODE ON. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.0.24.16 Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgpmCkOBGoFPj.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup progress window
Hello Paul, Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 3:37:36 PM, you wrote: -- snip - JSL I'd like to experiment with this file naming protocol and find out JSL where the last backup went. Is there a way to manually start TB!'s JSL backup at will? -- snip - PB While you await an expert reply, I do manual backups using: PB Tools PB Backup PB Browse for file etc. PB Select all accounts PB OK DOH! Thanks Paul. I have been using TB! trouble free for so many years I'd forgotten to even look for a problem solution in the menus. I think I'm reaching the point in life where I can hide my own Easter eggs. The steps you suggest should of course produce a backup with a filename created by me. However, the *default* auto-backup filename shown in: OPTIONS PREFERENCES SYSTEM AUTO BACKUP ADVANCED seems to contain macro commands which should produce a backup filename containing the current date/time. As you'll see in a subsequent reply from Roelof, he suggests manually starting the auto-backup by changing the start time of the auto-backup to a close point in the future. Perhaps a minute or two - something I'll try shortly. -- Anyway, thanks for the geezer help. Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup progress window
Hello Roelof, Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 5:03:36 AM, you wrote: RO Hallo Jack, RO On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 07:12:06 -0500GMT (2-6-2008, 14:12 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: JSL I'd like to experiment with this file naming protocol and find out JSL where the last backup went. Is there a way to manually start TB!'s JSL backup at will? RO How big was your last saved backup and much free space have you got on RO the drive where you store your backups? And much free space have got RO left on the drive where your temp directory is stored? No problem with file size or available disk space. I did a search and found the file autobackup.tbk in the C:\Program Files\The Bat!\MAIL folder with an OS timestamp of 5/31 @ 08:11 which is about the time/date I remember the last autobackup occurring. Why it landed in that location is a mystery. RO In the past it wasn't possible to use macros in the name of the RO autobackup, has that been changed? That was the reason that I didn't RO use the autobackup feature but still used my own scheduled backup RO that allowed for macros in the name. As you can see in a previous paragraph the filename created by TB! is simply autobackup.tbk without any embedded date/time in the filename as it appears in OPTIONSPREFERENCESSYSTEMAUTOBACKUPADVANCED. RO BTW2 No, it isn't possible to start TB's autobackup manually, though RO it appears to be possible to change the time it starts to something RO sooner. I tried this by setting the days counter to the minimum (1 day) and setting the time to now+2 minutes. Sure enough, the autobackup started in a couple of minutes, ran to completion and stored the autobackup.tbk file on the F: drive as specified in the default filename OPTIONSPREFERENCESSYSTEMAUTOBACKUPADVANCED but again, without the date/time embedded in the filename. I next tried a *manual* backup as suggested by Paul in a previous reply using as a filename the one displayed in OPTIONSPREFERENCESSYSTEMAUTOBACKUPADVANCED which is F:\autobackup-%DATE(-mm-dd)-%TIME(hh-mm-ss).tbk. That produced a .tbk file on the F: drive called exactly F:\autobackup-%DATE(-mm-dd)-%TIME(hh-mm-ss).tbk. My head is starting to hurt. I think in light of all that I have learned from this thread I'll just cancel the scheduled backup and start it manually from the TOOLS menu as Paul suggested. -- My sincere thanks to all those that have tried to educate me in the mysteries of TB!. Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup progress window
Hello Dwight, Sunday, June 1, 2008, 4:43:05 PM, you wrote: DC On Sunday, June 1, 2008, 3:46:35 PM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: What won't work? Reading mail? Are you confirming the machine is essentially locked during the backup? DC No. The machine isn't tied up at all. You just can't get the bat do do DC a backup and do other things at the same time. Makes sense to me. OK. Thank you Dwight and Roelof for the information. I never tried to do anything else with the machine except work in TB while the backup was in progress. Now, if I may beg the audience's indulgence again on this topic - I currently have the standard backup (not an 'update' backup) configured to create a backup file called F:\autobackup-%DATE(-mm-dd)-%TIME(hh-mm-ss).tbk. I assume this would cause a backup file to be created with the filename F:\autobackup-2008-06-02-xx-xx-xx.tbk with the Xs replaced with the time of creation. My F: drive holds all of my machine's backups. Because of this discussion I looked at my F: drive and noticed that the most recent TB! backup file was named: F:\autobackup.tbk with an OS timestamp of 03/25/2008. The backup which caused me to start this discussion was run a couple of weeks ago and was allowed to run to completion. But where did it go? And as you can see, the last backup file is called simply autobackup.tbk without any time/date info as part of the filename. I'd like to experiment with this file naming protocol and find out where the last backup went. Is there a way to manually start TB!'s backup at will? -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup progress window
Hello Jack, Saturday, May 31, 2008, 11:38:59 PM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: True, I could do that except that when the backup is running, you can't do anything else. There's no way that I can see to make the backup run in the background while you use the computer for other tasks. I cannot confirm that. I have my weekly backup set to Saturday afternoon. Most of the time it occurs when I play World of Warcraft (in windowed fullscreen mode, so the game is basically another window, just without a frame). I get startled because the backup window is in front of my game, hammer lots of keys into the backup window instead of healing some poor guy and then realise what happens. I can just click into my game and the backup goes into the background. No problem here. I guess that should be possible with other windows as well. Haven't tried to read mail or something at the time of the backup, though. -- Using The Bat! v4.0.24 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup progress window
Hallo simbabque, On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 22:07:49 +0200GMT (1-6-2008, 22:07 +0200, where I live), you wrote: S Haven't tried to read mail or something at the time of the backup, S though. That won't work. -- Groetjes, Roelof Define the universe. Give three examples. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.0.24.16 Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6000 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgpWg81Aba0nX.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup progress window
Hallo Jack, On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 15:46:35 -0500GMT (1-6-2008, 22:46 +0200, where I live), you wrote: S Haven't tried to read mail or something at the time of the backup, S though. RO That won't work. JSL What won't work? Reading mail? Are you confirming the machine is JSL essentially locked during the backup? Using TB won't work during backup. The computer isn't locked, just TB. -- Groetjes, Roelof WinErr 007: System price error - Inadequate money spent on hardware http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.0.24.16 Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6000 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgpSUSyAPaOoS.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup progress window
Hello Roelof, Sunday, June 1, 2008, 3:39:20 PM, you wrote: RO Hallo simbabque, RO On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 22:07:49 +0200GMT (1-6-2008, 22:07 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: S Haven't tried to read mail or something at the time of the backup, S though. RO That won't work. What won't work? Reading mail? Are you confirming the machine is essentially locked during the backup? -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup progress window
On Sunday, June 1, 2008, 3:46:35 PM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: What won't work? Reading mail? Are you confirming the machine is essentially locked during the backup? No. The machine isn't tied up at all. You just can't get the bat do do a backup and do other things at the same time. Makes sense to me. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.0.24.16 on Windows Vista version 6,0 () Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup progress window
On Saturday, May 31, 2008, 8:37:39 AM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: Is there a way to minimize the window during the backup so I can continue handling my emails or do I just have to make sure TB! is running every 4th day @ 0230hrs? there is a 3d option. You can choose a time when the computer will be running, so that you continue to have control over when it happens. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.0.24.16 on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 3) Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup progress window
Hello Dwight, Saturday, May 31, 2008, 8:46:31 AM, you wrote: DAC On Saturday, May 31, 2008, 8:37:39 AM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: Is there a way to minimize the window during the backup so I can continue handling my emails or do I just have to make sure TB! is running every 4th day @ 0230hrs? DAC there is a 3d option. You can choose a time when the computer will be DAC running, so that you continue to have control over when it happens. True, I could do that except that when the backup is running, you can't do anything else. There's no way that I can see to make the backup run in the background while you use the computer for other tasks. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
