Re: [Tex-music] PMX grace note problem
>|Are slurs between the grace note and the next one absolutely necessary ? >|According to CPE Bach a grace note is always slurred to the next one. I must confess that in my arrangements, I usually omit slurs on appoggiaturas but there is the danger that literal-minded musicians who are used to romantic-era scores with everything notated explicitly may mis-understand. For example they might omit cadential trills that are missing in the scores because in the baroque era they were understood to be essential. Bob T. --- TeX-music@tug.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to https://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [Tex-music] PMX grace note problem
Are slurs between the grace note and the next one absolutely necessary ? According to CPE Bach a grace note is always slurred to the next one. Bye, -- Jean-Pierre Coulon --- TeX-music@tug.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to https://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [Tex-music] PMX grace note problem
Don--,
it's great, when you find some time for improvements. From the point of
view of the testsuite, I would be most interested in dealing with the
quarter grace notes in the 3rd bar. Concerning stem length of sixteenth
notes and slurs I find Liliyponds dimensions nicer.
--Dieter
Am 05.12.2020 um 17:58 schrieb dsim...@roadrunner.com:
Dieter—
Speaking of more relevant problems, I noticed one in this example: It
seems that PMX cannot do the after-grace on the last note of bar 2.
But that could be even more tricky to fix.
I also thought it would be interesting to directly compare the layout
PMX produces vs the one from Lilypond.
Lilypond, then PMX at 16 pt:
Several things I notice:
1. On the double-beamed graces, PMX’s stem could be shorter. I’ve
noticed all along that the MusiXTeX default stem length on
multiply beamed notes is longer than I would prefer. I think it
just builds outward from the single-beam height. For non-grace
notes you can change the beam height case-by-case, but I doubt
it’s currently possible with graces in PMX.
2. PMX has a noticeably wider blank space at the end of each bar.
3. PMX’s grace note bodies are all a bit closer to the main note than
Lilypond’s. But on single graces, Lilypond’s flag drops lower than
MusixTeX’s.
4. PMX’s slurs end before crossing the main stem; Lilypond’s cross it.
I’m open to comments and possible code revisions on any of this.
--Don
*From:* TeX-Music
*On Behalf Of *Dieter
*Sent:* Saturday, December 5, 2020 2:25 AM
*To:* tex-music@tug.org
*Subject:* Re: [Tex-music] PMX grace note problem
Hi Don--
Of course you are perfectly right, not spending days on this problem,
just in order to satisfy the testsuite.
I might encounter other problems in the testsuite, which are more
relevant.
--Dieter
Am 05.12.2020 um 02:28 schrieb dsim...@roadrunner.com
<mailto:dsim...@roadrunner.com>:
In light of my recent problems posting to ICK, I’m curious to see
if this goes through.
The only PMX problem here occurs with a 2-note, unbeamed grace.
It’s true that PMX chokes on this, and its also true that with
some effort I could modify the code to make it work. But really??
Is there any composer in the history of the world who has ever
called for multiple unbeamed grace notes on a single note??
--Don
*From:* TeX-Music
<mailto:tex-music-bounces+dsimons=roadrunner@tug.org> *On
Behalf Of *Dieter
*Sent:* Friday, December 4, 2020 8:00 AM
*To:* Werner Icking Music Archive
<mailto:tex-music@tug.org>
*Subject:* [Tex-music] PMX grace note problem
I am checking XML2PMX with the the inofficial testsuite for
MusicXML of Lilypond.
This is one of the tasks.
XML2PMX does not yet solve the problem. And when I try to model it
directly in PMX:
==
---
%\input musixlyr
%\special{papersize=297mm,420mm}%
---
%|
%
%http://www.musicxml.org/dtds/partwise.dtd;
<http://www.musicxml.org/dtds/partwise.dtd>>
%
%
%
%
%Part P1 :
%
%
% nv, -noinst, nostaves per instrument
1 -1 1
% mtrnuml,mtrdenl,mtrnmp,mtrdnp,xmtrnum0,isig
4 4 0 6 0 0
%
% npages,nsyst,musicsize,fracindent
0 5 16 0.07
t
./
Tt
Tc
Abepl
%%w277m
%%h390m
% ( 1| 1| 1) 1
G1m2d5 c45 G2m2e5 d5 c45 G1m2d5 c45 G1m1d5 c45 /
% ( 1| 1| 1) 2
G1m2sxd5 c45 G2m2e5 d5 c25 [ G1m2sxd5 c85 G1m2sxd5 c85 ] /
% ( 1| 1| 1) 3
G1m2e5 c45 zf4 G1m0d5s c45 G2m0d5f a4f c45 c45 /
===
I run into
Regards, Dieter
P.S. the first two lines come out properly.
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Re: [Tex-music] PMX grace note problem
Don and Dieter: >The only PMX problem here occurs with a 2-note, unbeamed >grace. It's true that PMX chokes on this, and its also >true that with some effort I could modify the code to >make it work. But really?? Is there any composer in the >history of the world who has ever called for multiple >unbeamed grace notes on a single note?? I agree that PMX should not be expected to deal with this. But what is Dieter to do? It's always hard to handle "exceptions" in a pre-processor, even harder in a pre-pre-processor, and harder still when the input is likely generated mechanically and is not readable by the user, so pointing to an offending construct in the xml isn't user-friendly. But having the system point to a line in the generating code after a crash is even less user-friendly. Ideally Dieter's code should detect the offending contruct, generate a warning message, and press on generating *valid* pmx, ignoring the offending construct. Bob --- TeX-music@tug.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to https://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [Tex-music] PMX grace note problem
Dieter—
Speaking of more relevant problems, I noticed one in this example: It seems
that PMX cannot do the after-grace on the last note of bar 2. But that could be
even more tricky to fix.
I also thought it would be interesting to directly compare the layout PMX
produces vs the one from Lilypond.
Lilypond, then PMX at 16 pt:
Several things I notice:
1. On the double-beamed graces, PMX’s stem could be shorter. I’ve noticed
all along that the MusiXTeX default stem length on multiply beamed notes is
longer than I would prefer. I think it just builds outward from the single-beam
height. For non-grace notes you can change the beam height case-by-case, but I
doubt it’s currently possible with graces in PMX.
2. PMX has a noticeably wider blank space at the end of each bar.
3. PMX’s grace note bodies are all a bit closer to the main note than
Lilypond’s. But on single graces, Lilypond’s flag drops lower than MusixTeX’s.
4. PMX’s slurs end before crossing the main stem; Lilypond’s cross it.
I’m open to comments and possible code revisions on any of this.
--Don
From: TeX-Music On Behalf Of
Dieter
Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2020 2:25 AM
To: tex-music@tug.org
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] PMX grace note problem
Hi Don--
Of course you are perfectly right, not spending days on this problem, just in
order to satisfy the testsuite.
I might encounter other problems in the testsuite, which are more relevant.
--Dieter
Am 05.12.2020 um 02:28 schrieb dsim...@roadrunner.com
<mailto:dsim...@roadrunner.com> :
In light of my recent problems posting to ICK, I’m curious to see if this goes
through.
The only PMX problem here occurs with a 2-note, unbeamed grace. It’s true that
PMX chokes on this, and its also true that with some effort I could modify the
code to make it work. But really?? Is there any composer in the history of the
world who has ever called for multiple unbeamed grace notes on a single note??
--Don
From: TeX-Music <mailto:tex-music-bounces+dsimons=roadrunner@tug.org>
On Behalf Of Dieter
Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 8:00 AM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive <mailto:tex-music@tug.org>
Subject: [Tex-music] PMX grace note problem
I am checking XML2PMX with the the inofficial testsuite for MusicXML of
Lilypond.
This is one of the tasks.
XML2PMX does not yet solve the problem. And when I try to model it directly in
PMX:
==
---
%\input musixlyr
%\special{papersize=297mm,420mm}%
---
%|
%
%http://www.musicxml.org/dtds/partwise.dtd>
"http://www.musicxml.org/dtds/partwise.dtd;>
%
%
%
%
%Part P1 :
%
%
% nv, -noinst, nostaves per instrument
1 -1 1
% mtrnuml,mtrdenl,mtrnmp,mtrdnp,xmtrnum0,isig
4 4 0 6 0 0
%
% npages,nsyst,musicsize,fracindent
0 5 16 0.07
t
./
Tt
Tc
Abepl
%%w277m
%%h390m
% ( 1| 1| 1) 1
G1m2d5 c45 G2m2e5 d5 c45 G1m2d5 c45 G1m1d5 c45 /
% ( 1| 1| 1) 2
G1m2sxd5 c45 G2m2e5 d5 c25 [ G1m2sxd5 c85 G1m2sxd5 c85 ] /
% ( 1| 1| 1) 3
G1m2e5 c45 zf4 G1m0d5s c45 G2m0d5f a4f c45 c45 /
===
I run into
Regards, Dieter
P.S. the first two lines come out properly.
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Re: [Tex-music] PMX grace note problem
Hi Don--
Of course you are perfectly right, not spending days on this problem,
just in order to satisfy the testsuite.
I might encounter other problems in the testsuite, which are more relevant.
--Dieter
Am 05.12.2020 um 02:28 schrieb dsim...@roadrunner.com:
In light of my recent problems posting to ICK, I’m curious to see if
this goes through.
The only PMX problem here occurs with a 2-note, unbeamed grace. It’s
true that PMX chokes on this, and its also true that with some effort
I could modify the code to make it work. But really?? Is there any
composer in the history of the world who has ever called for multiple
unbeamed grace notes on a single note??
--Don
*From:* TeX-Music
*On Behalf Of *Dieter
*Sent:* Friday, December 4, 2020 8:00 AM
*To:* Werner Icking Music Archive
*Subject:* [Tex-music] PMX grace note problem
I am checking XML2PMX with the the inofficial testsuite for MusicXML
of Lilypond.
This is one of the tasks.
XML2PMX does not yet solve the problem. And when I try to model it
directly in PMX:
==
---
%\input musixlyr
%\special{papersize=297mm,420mm}%
---
%|
%
%http://www.musicxml.org/dtds/partwise.dtd;
<http://www.musicxml.org/dtds/partwise.dtd>>
%
%
%
%
%Part P1 :
%
%
% nv, -noinst, nostaves per instrument
1 -1 1
% mtrnuml,mtrdenl,mtrnmp,mtrdnp,xmtrnum0,isig
4 4 0 6 0 0
%
% npages,nsyst,musicsize,fracindent
0 5 16 0.07
t
./
Tt
Tc
Abepl
%%w277m
%%h390m
% ( 1| 1| 1) 1
G1m2d5 c45 G2m2e5 d5 c45 G1m2d5 c45 G1m1d5 c45 /
% ( 1| 1| 1) 2
G1m2sxd5 c45 G2m2e5 d5 c25 [ G1m2sxd5 c85 G1m2sxd5 c85 ] /
% ( 1| 1| 1) 3
G1m2e5 c45 zf4 G1m0d5s c45 G2m0d5f a4f c45 c45 /
===
I run into
Regards, Dieter
P.S. the first two lines come out properly.
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Re: [Tex-music] PMX grace note problem
In light of my recent problems posting to ICK, I’m curious to see if this goes
through.
The only PMX problem here occurs with a 2-note, unbeamed grace. It’s true that
PMX chokes on this, and its also true that with some effort I could modify the
code to make it work. But really?? Is there any composer in the history of the
world who has ever called for multiple unbeamed grace notes on a single note??
--Don
From: TeX-Music On Behalf Of
Dieter
Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 8:00 AM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: [Tex-music] PMX grace note problem
I am checking XML2PMX with the the inofficial testsuite for MusicXML of
Lilypond.
This is one of the tasks.
XML2PMX does not yet solve the problem. And when I try to model it directly in
PMX:
==
---
%\input musixlyr
%\special{papersize=297mm,420mm}%
---
%|
%
%http://www.musicxml.org/dtds/partwise.dtd>
"http://www.musicxml.org/dtds/partwise.dtd;>
%
%
%
%
%Part P1 :
%
%
% nv, -noinst, nostaves per instrument
1 -1 1
% mtrnuml,mtrdenl,mtrnmp,mtrdnp,xmtrnum0,isig
4 4 0 6 0 0
%
% npages,nsyst,musicsize,fracindent
0 5 16 0.07
t
./
Tt
Tc
Abepl
%%w277m
%%h390m
% ( 1| 1| 1) 1
G1m2d5 c45 G2m2e5 d5 c45 G1m2d5 c45 G1m1d5 c45 /
% ( 1| 1| 1) 2
G1m2sxd5 c45 G2m2e5 d5 c25 [ G1m2sxd5 c85 G1m2sxd5 c85 ] /
% ( 1| 1| 1) 3
G1m2e5 c45 zf4 G1m0d5s c45 G2m0d5f a4f c45 c45 /
===
I run into
Regards, Dieter
P.S. the first two lines come out properly.
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[Tex-music] PMX grace note problem
I am checking XML2PMX with the the inofficial testsuite for MusicXML of
Lilypond.
This is one of the tasks.
XML2PMX does not yet solve the problem. And when I try to model it
directly in PMX:
==
---
%\input musixlyr
%\special{papersize=297mm,420mm}%
---
%|
%
%http://www.musicxml.org/dtds/partwise.dtd;>
%
%
%
%
%Part P1 :
%
%
% nv, -noinst, nostaves per instrument
1 -1 1
% mtrnuml,mtrdenl,mtrnmp,mtrdnp,xmtrnum0,isig
4 4 0 6 0 0
%
% npages,nsyst,musicsize,fracindent
0 5 16 0.07
t
./
Tt
Tc
Abepl
%%w277m
%%h390m
% ( 1| 1| 1) 1
G1m2d5 c45 G2m2e5 d5 c45 G1m2d5 c45 G1m1d5 c45 /
% ( 1| 1| 1) 2
G1m2sxd5 c45 G2m2e5 d5 c25 [ G1m2sxd5 c85 G1m2sxd5 c85 ] /
% ( 1| 1| 1) 3
G1m2e5 c45 zf4 G1m0d5s c45 G2m0d5f a4f c45 c45 /
===
I run into
Regards, Dieter
P.S. the first two lines come out properly.
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