Re: [Tex-music] Dream?

2013-01-03 Thread Hermann Hinsch
Am Dienstag, 1. Januar 2013, 12:47:04 schrieb Don Simons:
 Bob Tennent wrote
 
  |It did appear to install OK, although it took 3 hours
 
 You can select which collection to install. A full install
 is indeed massive.
 
 Yep, 3.3 GB, ~110,000 files !!! Turns out you need to run the advanced
 install batch script to be able to select options. With the minimal
 scheme, augmented only by the music typesetting package, and with twice as
 fast a download speed (10 Mbps), that took ~10 min, downloading 14000
 files, 300 MB.
 
  |By searching, I found that pmx.tex had been put into
  |c:/texlive/2012/texmf-dist/doc/generic/pmx
 
 Not the right place. I believe the TDS zip file somehow didn't
 get installed at CTAN though I think it was uploaded; that meant
 that TeXLive developers had to guess where to put files and it was
 incorrectly assumed that pmx.tex was documentation.
 
 I created folder c:/texlive/2012/texmf-dist/tex/generic/pmx, moved pmx.tex
 there, and updated the filename database using the Windows GUI that had been
 installed in the start menu. pmx2pdf then worked just fine.
 
 So although not a dream, I'll grant that it was not too bad snooze. Still, a
 total novice would have been completely flummoxed.
 
 Would the fact that no one we know about had yet reported the mislocation of
 pmx.tex suggest that no one else (including the TeXLive developers) had
 ever tried installing and running pmx in Windoze from this version of
 TeXLive?
 
 --Don Simons
 

Usually I use Linux, but I installed LiveTeX just for interest on Windows 7. 
After making the same modification as you and using barsant.pmx as testfile 
pmx2pdf works fine. Then I created barsant.dvi by pmxab barsant, etex barsant, 
musixflx barsant, etex barsant. Starting dviout I got did not find 
psslurs.pro 
although psslurs.pro exist in ...\texmf-dist\dvips\musixtex\. According with 
my linux-installation I inserted ...\texmf-dist\dvips\pstricks\ and copied 
psslurs.pro into, but dviout gives the same error message. I think that this 
is a problem of dviout itself because dvips for example finds the correct place 
of psslurs.pro and works as it should.

Hermann Hinsch


 
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Re: [Tex-music] Dream?

2013-01-03 Thread Bob Tennent
 |Usually I use Linux, but I installed LiveTeX just for interest
 |on Windows 7. After making the same modification as you and
 |using barsant.pmx as testfile pmx2pdf works fine. Then I created
 |barsant.dvi by pmxab barsant, etex barsant, musixflx barsant, etex
 |barsant. Starting dviout I got did not find psslurs.pro although
 |psslurs.pro exist in ...\texmf-dist\dvips\musixtex\. According with
 |my linux-installation I inserted ...\texmf-dist\dvips\pstricks\ and
 |copied psslurs.pro into, but dviout gives the same error message.
 |I think that this is a problem of dviout itself because dvips for
 |example finds the correct place of psslurs.pro and works as it
 |should.

Hermann:  You should *not* be making changes to TeXLive's texmf-dist.
Create a personal texmf tree and add missing files there.

dviout isn't in TeXLive. You'd have to look at the documentation and
find out how to configure it to search for files like psslurs.pro.

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Re: [Tex-music] Dream?

2013-01-03 Thread Bob Tennent
 | dviout isn't in TeXLive. You'd have to look at the documentation and
 | find out how to configure it to search for files like psslurs.pro.
 |
 |it certainly _looks_ as if it _is_ in tex live:
 |
 |  2012/05/15 |2235244 |
 |  systems/texlive/tlnet/archive/dviout.win32.tar.xz

Aha! It's in TeXLive *on Windows*; not surprisingly, it seems to have   
trouble with Postscript specials, even with ghostscript installed.   

Herman: Is there some reason why you prefer to work with dvi files
rather than Postscript or PDF? dvi really isn't a good format if you're
using Postscript slurs. 

BTW, the -s option to pmx2pdf will cause processing to stop at the dvi
file. Do pmx2pdf -h to see all the options.

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Re: [Tex-music] Dream?

2013-01-01 Thread Bob Tennent
 |It did appear to install OK, although it took 3 hours

You can select which collection to install. A full install
is indeed massive.

 |By searching, I found that pmx.tex had been put into
 |c:/texlive/2012/texmf-dist/doc/generic/pmx

Not the right place. I believe the TDS zip file somehow didn't
get installed at CTAN though I think it was uploaded; that meant
that TeXLive developers had to guess where to put files and it was
incorrectly assumed that pmx.tex was documentation.

Yesterday I uploaded version 2.6.19 to CTAN but I don't think Robin has
installed it yet. And because that includes a new pmxab, texlive won't
install it until texlive-2013.  Really bad timing here.  

 |On a related note, and before I did the above test, I was explaining to a
 |Mac-head friend about the supposedly new and seamless way that people can
 |get tex, musixtex, and pmx from online archives. To my surprise he
 |wanted to
 |test it out, and did a default install of MacTeX on the spot. After it
 |finished (in about 15 minutes), I had him search his hard drive for
 |pmx.tex
 |and musixtex.tex, and he didn't find either one.

Sounds like he did a minimal install, which is at the other extreme.
What he should in principle do now is install the necessary packages

  tlmgr install musixtex musixtex-fonts pmx m-tx 

or all the music-related packages:

  tlmgr install collection-music.

But it's likely that pmx.tex will be in the wrong location.

Thanks for the report. I'll try and get it fixed ASAP. If you copy
c:/texlive/2012/texmf-dist/doc/generic/pmx/pmx.tex to your working
directory, everything should work.

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Re: [Tex-music] Dream?

2013-01-01 Thread Don Simons
Bob Tennent wrote
 |It did appear to install OK, although it took 3 hours

You can select which collection to install. A full install
is indeed massive.

Yep, 3.3 GB, ~110,000 files !!! Turns out you need to run the advanced
install batch script to be able to select options. With the minimal
scheme, augmented only by the music typesetting package, and with twice as
fast a download speed (10 Mbps), that took ~10 min, downloading 14000 files,
300 MB. 

 |By searching, I found that pmx.tex had been put into
 |c:/texlive/2012/texmf-dist/doc/generic/pmx

Not the right place. I believe the TDS zip file somehow didn't
get installed at CTAN though I think it was uploaded; that meant
that TeXLive developers had to guess where to put files and it was
incorrectly assumed that pmx.tex was documentation.

I created folder c:/texlive/2012/texmf-dist/tex/generic/pmx, moved pmx.tex
there, and updated the filename database using the Windows GUI that had been
installed in the start menu. pmx2pdf then worked just fine.

So although not a dream, I'll grant that it was not too bad snooze. Still, a
total novice would have been completely flummoxed.

Would the fact that no one we know about had yet reported the mislocation of
pmx.tex suggest that no one else (including the TeXLive developers) had ever
tried installing and running pmx in Windoze from this version of TeXLive?

--Don Simons



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Re: [Tex-music] Dream?

2013-01-01 Thread Bob Tennent
 |So although not a dream, I'll grant that it was not too bad snooze.
 |Still, a total novice would have been completely flummoxed.

I agree and it shouldn't have happened; but such things do happen.

 |Would the fact that no one we know about had yet reported the
 |mislocation of pmx.tex suggest that no one else (including the
 |TeXLive developers) had ever tried installing and running pmx in
 |Windoze from this version of TeXLive?

TeXLive supports dozens of architectures and this issue would have
affected all of them. It's not surprising that the TeXLive developers
wouldn't have tried running pmx. And I'm sure I tried but didn't notice
that pmx.tex wasn't from texmf-dist as it should have been; I had to
delete pmx.tex from my working directory and from a personal texmf
tree before kpsewhich pmx.tex came up empty. It's a little surprising
that nobody else noticed the problem but they might be the completely
flummoxed total novices who wouldn't have known to whom to complain.

Bob T.
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