Re: [Tex-music] Fine tuning of staff distance in PMX

2015-02-10 Thread Dieter 

Hi Don!

thanks for your advice. You are right that it looks a bit crowded with 
the 3 Systems on one page. I now put the music size to 16 and reduced 
the space for the verses a little bit

\\setinterinstrument1{5\Interligne}\
\\setinterinstrument3{5\Interligne}\
from 7 to 5, giving more space between the systems.

-- Dieter Gloetzel

Am 09.02.2015 um 17:03 schrieb Don Simons:

Dieter, thanks for posting the source file. I found that it doesn't seem
practical to have 3 systems per page unless you reduce the music size to 16.
Then with the following tweaks (thanks, Andre!) it appears to fit:

\\setinterinstrument1{7\Interligne}\
\\setinterinstrument3{7\Interligne}\
\\setsongraise2{1\Interligne}\
\\setsongraise4{1\Interligne}\

But because it still looks a bit crowded, you may want to reconsider keeping
3 systems per page. My rule of thumb is normally no more than 15 staves per
page. If you count each pair of lyrics lines as an extra staff, then you
have 18 staves, too many for size 20.

While we're on the subject of vertical spacing, I recently typeset a
wonderful Passacaglia by Georg Muffat:
http://imslp.org/wiki/Passacaglia_in_G_minor_(Muffat,_Georg)
I made two versions, one size 20 with 7 letter-size pages, and one size 16
on 3 legal size (8.5-by-14 in) sheets, with 10 2-staff systems per page.
With the second one you can set the 3 pages side-by-side and play it with no
page turns.

--Don Simons


-Original Message-
From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Dieter
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 1:22 AM
To: tex-music@tug.org
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] Fine tuning of staff distance in PMX

Thanks toall for their proposals. I am using plain PMX with the Ae

Option.

I will do some experimentation along your lines.

I also tried to make two instruments instead of four (essentially two
pianos) .
But then the verses always appeared below the bass line.

Regards DIeter



Am 09.02.2015 um 06:09 schrieb Don Simons:

Andre and Dirk's suggestions will probably work. But before I
installed the Ae option in PMX, whenever I tried these sorts of
adjustments I would very often have problems with systems spilling
over onto an extra page. I wanted Dieter to send me his source, first
to confirm my suspicion that he had in fact not used M-Tx, and second,
to demonstrate how to use Ae and then make the kinds of adjustments he
wants by using \spread. Ae has the advantage that no matter what you
do to vertical spacing within a page, page breaks will always be where
you want them, and no systems will ever spill over onto an extra page.

--Don Simons


-Original Message-
From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of

Andre

Van Ryckeghem
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 8:30 PM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] Fine tuning of staff distance in PMX

I suppose you use 4 instruments

You may change the space between the staffs by using ie.
AI.8

Then the space above instrument 1 and 3 must be larger:
\\setinterinstrument1{5\Interligne}\
\\setinterinstrument3{5\Interligne}\
You may try to make space above intrument 2 smaller(negatieve number
is
possible):
\\setinterinstrument2{0\Interligne}\

Propably you need to change the place of the lyrics (the number can
be negative either)ie.
\setsongraise2{1\Interligne}\

Perhaps you also may use
\\songtop4\songbottom1\
or
\\songtop4\songbottom3\songtop2\songbottom1\

Preserving the page layout:
Above the start of the music:
\\vskip-2\Interligne\%less space between componist and first staff

or/and use staff size 16

or/and make the page higher:
w270m

Andre

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Dieter
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 7:05 PM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: [Tex-music] Fine tuning of staff distance in PMX

Hi PMXperts,

if you have time, please have a look at the attachment, which I
produced with PMX and MusixLyr.
It doesnot look too bad, but I would like to put a bit more space
between staves for the verses and less space, when there are no
verses, and hopefully preserve the two-page layout.

Thanks and regards,
Dieter







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Re: [Tex-music] Fine tuning of staff distance in PMX

2015-02-09 Thread Dieter 

Thanks toall for their proposals. I am using plain PMX with the Ae Option.

I will do some experimentation along your lines.

I also tried to make two instruments instead of four (essentially two 
pianos) .

But then the verses always appeared below the bass line.

Regards DIeter



Am 09.02.2015 um 06:09 schrieb Don Simons:

Andre and Dirk's suggestions will probably work. But before I installed the
Ae option in PMX, whenever I tried these sorts of adjustments I would very
often have problems with systems spilling over onto an extra page. I wanted
Dieter to send me his source, first to confirm my suspicion that he had in
fact not used M-Tx, and second, to demonstrate how to use Ae and then make
the kinds of adjustments he wants by using \spread. Ae has the advantage
that no matter what you do to vertical spacing within a page, page breaks
will always be where you want them, and no systems will ever spill over onto
an extra page.

--Don Simons


-Original Message-
From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Andre
Van Ryckeghem
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 8:30 PM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] Fine tuning of staff distance in PMX

I suppose you use 4 instruments

You may change the space between the staffs by using ie.
AI.8

Then the space above instrument 1 and 3 must be larger:
\\setinterinstrument1{5\Interligne}\
\\setinterinstrument3{5\Interligne}\
You may try to make space above intrument 2 smaller(negatieve number is
possible):
\\setinterinstrument2{0\Interligne}\

Propably you need to change the place of the lyrics (the number can be
negative either)ie.
\setsongraise2{1\Interligne}\

Perhaps you also may use
\\songtop4\songbottom1\
or
\\songtop4\songbottom3\songtop2\songbottom1\

Preserving the page layout:
Above the start of the music:
\\vskip-2\Interligne\%less space between componist and first staff

or/and use staff size 16

or/and make the page higher:
w270m

Andre

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Dieter
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 7:05 PM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: [Tex-music] Fine tuning of staff distance in PMX

Hi PMXperts,

if you have time, please have a look at the attachment, which I produced
with PMX and MusixLyr.
It doesnot look too bad, but I would like to put a bit more space between
staves for the verses and less space, when there are no verses, and
hopefully preserve the two-page layout.

Thanks and regards,
Dieter







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\input musixtex
\input pmx
\input musixlyr
\setlyrics{chor11}{\llap{1. }Im k\{u}h-len Mai-en tun  sich all Ding 
er-freu-en, 
die Bl\{u}m-lein auf dem Feld, sich auch ver-neu-en, sich auch ver-neu-en. 
Sin-gen die Maid-lein in ih-ren Rei-hen, sin-gen die Maid-lein in ih-ren 
Rei-hen:}

\setlyrics{chor12}{\llap{2. }Wem nun dies Le-ben tut wohl-ge-fal-len e-ben, der 
soll sich ohn Ver-zug
der Lieb er-ge-ben, der Lieb er-ge-ben. Und mit den Maid_-lein singen im 
Rei-hen 
und mit den Maid_-lein singen im Rei-hen}

\setlyrics{ref1}{Will-kom-men, Mai-en, Will-kom-men, Mai-en, Will-kom-men, 
Mai-en!}
%
\setlyrics{chor21}{\llap{1. }Im k\{u}h-len Mai-en tun  sich all Ding 
er-freu-en, 
die Bl\{u}m-lein auf dem Feld, sich auch ver-neu-en, sich auch ver-neu-en. 
Sin-gen die Maid-lein in ih-ren Rei-hen, sin-gen die Maid-lein in ih-ren 
Rei-hen:}
%
\setlyrics{chor22}{\llap{2. }Wem nun dies Le-ben tut wohl-ge-fal-len e-ben, der 
soll sich ohn Ver-zug
der Lieb er-ge-ben, der Lieb er-ge-ben. Und mit den Maid_-lein singen im 
Rei-hen 
und mit den Maid_-lein singen im Rei-hen}
%
\setlyrics{ref2}{Will-kom-men, Mai-en, Will-kom-men, Mai-en, Will-kom-men, 
Mai-en!}
%
%\lyrraise1{b -3\Interligne}
\assignlyrics2{chor21,chor22}
\assignlyrics4{chor11,chor12}
\let\BM\beginmel
\let\EM\endmel
\sepbarrules
\leftlyrtrue
---
% Im kühlen Maien
% PREAMBLE
% nstaves ninstr mtrnuml mtrdenl mtrnump mtrdenp
4   4  44   0   6
% npickup nkeys
 0.00   +1
% npages nsystems musicsize fracindent
 2   6   200.08
B/T 2
S/A 2
B/T 1
S/A 1
btbt
.\
%\\setclef2{\treble}\settrebleclefsymbol{2}\treblelowoct\
%Ti
%Piano
% Body
% Header
Tc
Hans Leo Hassler (1564-1612)
Tt
Im k\{u}hlen Maien (zweich\{o}rig)
%h
%uuu ( 1/2 = 76 )
AbeprI1.0
It100ipipipipi
%\\def\octnumber{8$^{va}$}\
% space before first note of bar
% big accidentals
% equalizes interstaff spacing
% type K slurs 
%\\setclef3{\treble}\settrebleclefsymbol{3}\treblelowoct\
% Bars 1-3
% Chor2
r0+1 | r2+1 r4+1 g43 | e c d2 | //
r0b | r2b r4b b43 | b c a2

Re: [Tex-music] Fine tuning of staff distance in PMX

2015-02-09 Thread Don Simons 
Dieter, thanks for posting the source file. I found that it doesn't seem
practical to have 3 systems per page unless you reduce the music size to 16.
Then with the following tweaks (thanks, Andre!) it appears to fit:

\\setinterinstrument1{7\Interligne}\
\\setinterinstrument3{7\Interligne}\
\\setsongraise2{1\Interligne}\
\\setsongraise4{1\Interligne}\ 

But because it still looks a bit crowded, you may want to reconsider keeping
3 systems per page. My rule of thumb is normally no more than 15 staves per
page. If you count each pair of lyrics lines as an extra staff, then you
have 18 staves, too many for size 20.

While we're on the subject of vertical spacing, I recently typeset a
wonderful Passacaglia by Georg Muffat:
http://imslp.org/wiki/Passacaglia_in_G_minor_(Muffat,_Georg)
I made two versions, one size 20 with 7 letter-size pages, and one size 16
on 3 legal size (8.5-by-14 in) sheets, with 10 2-staff systems per page.
With the second one you can set the 3 pages side-by-side and play it with no
page turns. 

--Don Simons

 -Original Message-
 From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Dieter
 Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 1:22 AM
 To: tex-music@tug.org
 Subject: Re: [Tex-music] Fine tuning of staff distance in PMX
 
 Thanks toall for their proposals. I am using plain PMX with the Ae
Option.
 
 I will do some experimentation along your lines.
 
 I also tried to make two instruments instead of four (essentially two
 pianos) .
 But then the verses always appeared below the bass line.
 
 Regards DIeter
 
 
 
 Am 09.02.2015 um 06:09 schrieb Don Simons:
  Andre and Dirk's suggestions will probably work. But before I
  installed the Ae option in PMX, whenever I tried these sorts of
  adjustments I would very often have problems with systems spilling
  over onto an extra page. I wanted Dieter to send me his source, first
  to confirm my suspicion that he had in fact not used M-Tx, and second,
  to demonstrate how to use Ae and then make the kinds of adjustments he
  wants by using \spread. Ae has the advantage that no matter what you
  do to vertical spacing within a page, page breaks will always be where
  you want them, and no systems will ever spill over onto an extra page.
 
  --Don Simons
 
  -Original Message-
  From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of
 Andre
  Van Ryckeghem
  Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 8:30 PM
  To: Werner Icking Music Archive
  Subject: Re: [Tex-music] Fine tuning of staff distance in PMX
 
  I suppose you use 4 instruments
 
  You may change the space between the staffs by using ie.
  AI.8
 
  Then the space above instrument 1 and 3 must be larger:
  \\setinterinstrument1{5\Interligne}\
  \\setinterinstrument3{5\Interligne}\
  You may try to make space above intrument 2 smaller(negatieve number
  is
  possible):
  \\setinterinstrument2{0\Interligne}\
 
  Propably you need to change the place of the lyrics (the number can
  be negative either)ie.
  \setsongraise2{1\Interligne}\
 
  Perhaps you also may use
  \\songtop4\songbottom1\
  or
  \\songtop4\songbottom3\songtop2\songbottom1\
 
  Preserving the page layout:
  Above the start of the music:
  \\vskip-2\Interligne\%less space between componist and first staff
 
  or/and use staff size 16
 
  or/and make the page higher:
  w270m
 
  Andre
 
  -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
  From: Dieter
  Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 7:05 PM
  To: Werner Icking Music Archive
  Subject: [Tex-music] Fine tuning of staff distance in PMX
 
  Hi PMXperts,
 
  if you have time, please have a look at the attachment, which I
  produced with PMX and MusixLyr.
  It doesnot look too bad, but I would like to put a bit more space
  between staves for the verses and less space, when there are no
  verses, and hopefully preserve the two-page layout.
 
  Thanks and regards,
  Dieter
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Tex-music] Fine tuning of staff distance in PMX

2015-02-09 Thread Don Simons 
Sorry, I forgot to add that to make Dieter's score fit I used AI.7 (be
careful to cancel out the AI1 that's already there).

--Don

 -Original Message-
 From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Don
 Simons
 Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 8:04 AM
 To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive'
 Subject: Re: [Tex-music] Fine tuning of staff distance in PMX
 
 Dieter, thanks for posting the source file. I found that it doesn't seem
 practical to have 3 systems per page unless you reduce the music size to
16.
 Then with the following tweaks (thanks, Andre!) it appears to fit:
 
 \\setinterinstrument1{7\Interligne}\
 \\setinterinstrument3{7\Interligne}\
 \\setsongraise2{1\Interligne}\
 \\setsongraise4{1\Interligne}\
 
 But because it still looks a bit crowded, you may want to reconsider
keeping
 3 systems per page. My rule of thumb is normally no more than 15 staves
per
 page. If you count each pair of lyrics lines as an extra staff, then you
have 18
 staves, too many for size 20.
 
 While we're on the subject of vertical spacing, I recently typeset a
wonderful
 Passacaglia by Georg Muffat:
 http://imslp.org/wiki/Passacaglia_in_G_minor_(Muffat,_Georg)
 I made two versions, one size 20 with 7 letter-size pages, and one size 16
on 3
 legal size (8.5-by-14 in) sheets, with 10 2-staff systems per page.
 With the second one you can set the 3 pages side-by-side and play it with
no
 page turns.
 
 --Don Simons
 
  -Original Message-
  From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Dieter
  Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 1:22 AM
  To: tex-music@tug.org
  Subject: Re: [Tex-music] Fine tuning of staff distance in PMX
 
  Thanks toall for their proposals. I am using plain PMX with the Ae
 Option.
 
  I will do some experimentation along your lines.
 
  I also tried to make two instruments instead of four (essentially two
  pianos) .
  But then the verses always appeared below the bass line.
 
  Regards DIeter
 
 
 
  Am 09.02.2015 um 06:09 schrieb Don Simons:
   Andre and Dirk's suggestions will probably work. But before I
   installed the Ae option in PMX, whenever I tried these sorts of
   adjustments I would very often have problems with systems spilling
   over onto an extra page. I wanted Dieter to send me his source,
   first to confirm my suspicion that he had in fact not used M-Tx, and
   second, to demonstrate how to use Ae and then make the kinds of
   adjustments he wants by using \spread. Ae has the advantage that no
   matter what you do to vertical spacing within a page, page breaks
   will always be where you want them, and no systems will ever spill
over
 onto an extra page.
  
   --Don Simons
  
   -Original Message-
   From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of
  Andre
   Van Ryckeghem
   Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 8:30 PM
   To: Werner Icking Music Archive
   Subject: Re: [Tex-music] Fine tuning of staff distance in PMX
  
   I suppose you use 4 instruments
  
   You may change the space between the staffs by using ie.
   AI.8
  
   Then the space above instrument 1 and 3 must be larger:
   \\setinterinstrument1{5\Interligne}\
   \\setinterinstrument3{5\Interligne}\
   You may try to make space above intrument 2 smaller(negatieve
   number is
   possible):
   \\setinterinstrument2{0\Interligne}\
  
   Propably you need to change the place of the lyrics (the number can
   be negative either)ie.
   \setsongraise2{1\Interligne}\
  
   Perhaps you also may use
   \\songtop4\songbottom1\
   or
   \\songtop4\songbottom3\songtop2\songbottom1\
  
   Preserving the page layout:
   Above the start of the music:
   \\vskip-2\Interligne\%less space between componist and first staff
  
   or/and use staff size 16
  
   or/and make the page higher:
   w270m
  
   Andre
  
   -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
   From: Dieter
   Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 7:05 PM
   To: Werner Icking Music Archive
   Subject: [Tex-music] Fine tuning of staff distance in PMX
  
   Hi PMXperts,
  
   if you have time, please have a look at the attachment, which I
   produced with PMX and MusixLyr.
   It doesnot look too bad, but I would like to put a bit more space
   between staves for the verses and less space, when there are no
   verses, and hopefully preserve the two-page layout.
  
   Thanks and regards,
   Dieter
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [Tex-music] Fine tuning of staff distance in PMX

2015-02-08 Thread Don Simons 
Dieter--

Vertical spacing is very tricky to control. I'm guessing from what you wrote 
that you did not use M-Tx. Dirk did build some stuff into M-Tx to deal with 
this but I've never taken the time to understand it. I've also put  some stuff 
into PMX, some documented (Ae) and some not (but in pmx.tex, i.e., \spread). 
Rather than try to write a general primer here, I'd be glad to look at your 
problem in more detail if you'd provide your PMX source.

--Don

 -Original Message-
 From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Dieter
 Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 10:06 AM
 To: Werner Icking Music Archive
 Subject: [Tex-music] Fine tuning of staff distance in PMX
 
 Hi PMXperts,
 
 if you have time, please have a look at the attachment, which I produced
 with PMX and MusixLyr.
 It doesnot look too bad, but I would like to put a bit more space between
 staves for the verses and less space, when there are no verses, and
 hopefully preserve the two-page layout.
 
 Thanks and regards,
 Dieter



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Re: [Tex-music] Fine tuning of staff distance in PMX

2015-02-08 Thread Dirk Laurie 
2015-02-08 20:22 GMT+02:00 Don Simons dsim...@roadrunner.com:

  Dirk did build some stuff into M-Tx to deal with this

The two commands in mtx.tex used for this purpose are:

\def\mtxInterInstrument#1#2{\setinterinstrument{#1}{#2\Interligne}}
\def\mtxStaffBottom#1{\staffbotmarg #1\Interligne}

Just play around with them until you are happy with the result.
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Re: [Tex-music] Fine tuning of staff distance in PMX

2015-02-08 Thread Andre Van Ryckeghem 

I suppose you use 4 instruments

You may change the space between the staffs by using ie.
AI.8

Then the space above instrument 1 and 3 must be larger:
\\setinterinstrument1{5\Interligne}\
\\setinterinstrument3{5\Interligne}\
You may try to make space above intrument 2 smaller(negatieve number is 
possible):

\\setinterinstrument2{0\Interligne}\

Propably you need to change the place of the lyrics (the number can be 
negative either)ie.

\setsongraise2{1\Interligne}\

Perhaps you also may use
\\songtop4\songbottom1\
or
\\songtop4\songbottom3\songtop2\songbottom1\

Preserving the page layout:
Above the start of the music:
\\vskip-2\Interligne\%less space between componist and first staff

or/and use staff size 16

or/and make the page higher:
w270m

Andre

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Dieter

Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 7:05 PM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: [Tex-music] Fine tuning of staff distance in PMX

Hi PMXperts,

if you have time, please have a look at the attachment, which I produced
with PMX and MusixLyr.
It doesnot look too bad, but I would like to put a bit more space
between staves for the verses
and less space, when there are no verses, and hopefully preserve the
two-page layout.

Thanks and regards,
Dieter







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Re: [Tex-music] Fine tuning of staff distance in PMX

2015-02-08 Thread Don Simons 
Andre and Dirk's suggestions will probably work. But before I installed the
Ae option in PMX, whenever I tried these sorts of adjustments I would very
often have problems with systems spilling over onto an extra page. I wanted
Dieter to send me his source, first to confirm my suspicion that he had in
fact not used M-Tx, and second, to demonstrate how to use Ae and then make
the kinds of adjustments he wants by using \spread. Ae has the advantage
that no matter what you do to vertical spacing within a page, page breaks
will always be where you want them, and no systems will ever spill over onto
an extra page.

--Don Simons 

 -Original Message-
 From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Andre
 Van Ryckeghem
 Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 8:30 PM
 To: Werner Icking Music Archive
 Subject: Re: [Tex-music] Fine tuning of staff distance in PMX
 
 I suppose you use 4 instruments
 
 You may change the space between the staffs by using ie.
 AI.8
 
 Then the space above instrument 1 and 3 must be larger:
 \\setinterinstrument1{5\Interligne}\
 \\setinterinstrument3{5\Interligne}\
 You may try to make space above intrument 2 smaller(negatieve number is
 possible):
 \\setinterinstrument2{0\Interligne}\
 
 Propably you need to change the place of the lyrics (the number can be
 negative either)ie.
 \setsongraise2{1\Interligne}\
 
 Perhaps you also may use
 \\songtop4\songbottom1\
 or
 \\songtop4\songbottom3\songtop2\songbottom1\
 
 Preserving the page layout:
 Above the start of the music:
 \\vskip-2\Interligne\%less space between componist and first staff
 
 or/and use staff size 16
 
 or/and make the page higher:
 w270m
 
 Andre
 
 -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
 From: Dieter
 Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 7:05 PM
 To: Werner Icking Music Archive
 Subject: [Tex-music] Fine tuning of staff distance in PMX
 
 Hi PMXperts,
 
 if you have time, please have a look at the attachment, which I produced
 with PMX and MusixLyr.
 It doesnot look too bad, but I would like to put a bit more space between
 staves for the verses and less space, when there are no verses, and
 hopefully preserve the two-page layout.
 
 Thanks and regards,
 Dieter
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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