Re: [TROM1] what is wrong about LRH tech?

2011-10-23 Thread Aarre Peltomaa
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On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Aarre Peltomaa peltomaa.aa...@gmail.comwrote:



 On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Alexander Graf i...@alexander-graf.dewrote:

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 Thank you Aarre,

 yes, the student hat is very good. i started it last year and the next
 thing on the checklist is the first lecture where he talks about different
 flying technologies etc.
 But fortunately I never was involved in the church. The RonsOrgs only
 consist of nice people with good intentions. There is one in Munich and one
 in Frankfurt a. Main founded by Capt. Bill. In Switzerland lead by Max and
 Erica Hauri who are great people who always treated me kindly.
 Four times i attended the camp in les verrieres for hard tr and study
 tech.

 what i find strange is that there are OTs that still smoke. maybe they
 have abilities to control the toxins or have the consideration that the body
 isnt that important... i dont know :-)

In my humble opinion,  I think they are up to 'fighting' their
bodies as an enemy.  That isn't a complementary postulate.  Just
   my 'gut' feeling and opinion.

 I think they have issues, need a full glass of red wine
 with vitamin B1 chaser, and the next day they need to do TROM.   There's
 one OT 8,  Class 8 at the Toronto org in Canada who has been senior C/S for
 years now;  I tried to be friendly towards her in my naive, slightly
 obseqious (look that up in the dictionary !)  way .  Her name is Louise
 Erison.   She seemed resentful, and not all all what I thought and OT 8
 should act like.  Pardon, me, but I thought an OT 8 would be compassionate,
 empathetic, willing to pan-determinadly see my viewpoint,   and be at
 least enthusiastic (4.0) on the tone scale !!   She was resentful, and had a
 ser- fac'y 'holier than thou' attitude.  This is extremely contrary on LRH's
 policy letter about clears needing to show a good appearance of what
 clear is.  Forgive me, but I forgot the PL's exact name (was it called 'The
 state of clear'?).   This is extremely out-pr not only for the state of
 clear, but even  more so for the state  of OT.   My only conclusion was
 that she was sitting on massive witholds of long duration that she
 couldn't talk about;  in other words, what's called a 'missed withold
 phenomenom'.   Maybe she didn't get out of the level what she was
 promised to get;   I wouldn't be surprised at all.   For fear that you may
 state that I'm nattering also, which I may be,   she is not a friendly
 buddy at all !  Look up perfunctory in the dictionary, and you'll know what
 I mean.  I love cheerful, warm people in the tone of cheerfulness (3.5)
 or above;  that makes my world turn.  That 'OT 8'   isn't it !!



 and yes, i experienced OTs with compulsions. compulsive talker.  Does he
 need to get his level 0 (communications release)
 flat ? !   (lol !)   [?]




 but as i said, all nice trustworthy people. much different than
 churchies.  Great !

 i have a hard time on level 2 but every session is a progress. i dont fall
 back, no win is ever lost. an hour RI then im okay. nothing can stop me to
 go on. not even me :)) if i try i´ll kick my butt. just kidding... can
 anyone tell me where i am? :-)
 Your have me laughing,  that's where your are !   Thank you so much for
 giving me some extra levity.  If we can laugh at our

 silliness, I think we are half way there !!   Remember, this physical
 universe is just one big delusion;  the jokes on all of us, and

 we created the joke.  [?]I'll attest to that! [?]  Yes, I feel great !! [?]



 i dont need my mind anymore. anyone wants to buy it?  I don't know if I
 have the money to buy it;  we have stores in Canada
 called 'Dollarama';  maybe you could sell it there for $ 1.50.  Some of
 the prices have gone up !

 I'm trying to buy a life;  do you know where I could buy one?   Dollarama
 doesn't have them, not even for $1.75 !  Damn !  [?]



 You're ok, Alex.
 you guys already feel like family!

 alex


 2011/10/23 Aarre Peltomaa peltomaa.aa...@gmail.com

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 Hi Alex,Oct. 22/'11 Aarre

 Of course, only the pluspoints (rightnesses),  and not the outpoints
 (wrongnesses) will do us any good.

 A short list per my opinion:

 Pluspoints;

 - study tech really works excellently.  I did the Student Hat course, and
 had excellent results.  I use the tech everyday.  Includes the
 tech for clearing up the meanings of words;  excellent technology.  No
 one else has this apparently.
 - introduced the subject and possibility of being spiritual beings to
 those who didn't have a clue, like I didn't in 1974, when I first was
 contacted in Washington, D.C. to take the communication course.  It was an
 entrance 

Re: [TROM1] what is wrong about LRH tech?

2011-10-02 Thread Ant Phillips
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At 01:00 2011-10-02, Pete McLaughlin wrote:
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My problem with the LRH approach is that it requires a separate 
auditor to make it work.
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A small comment here. There is more Scientology tech than what LRH 
actually wrote.  I am thinking here of requires a separate auditor 
to make it work.  The Pilot has written an excellent book called 
Self Clearing which many can do alone. In a sense it approaches the 
subject from more different angles than TROM, which could be an 
advantage. He writes Scientology processes in a form that is meant of 
self auditing. You find the book (free download) at 
http://freezoneearth.org/downloads/files.html#Self2004
The revised 2004 edition omits the word Scientology, replaced it by 
the word Clearing.

All best wishes,

Ant



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