RE: Re: [TruthTalk] Fair and Balanced
©¿© -- slade -Original Message-From: Dave HansenSent: Friday, 21 January, 2005 01.18Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fair and BalancedDAVEH: HmmDid you know that the liberal press has the same number of letters as street preachers..is your typowriter screwing up again, Izzy! :-)
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
You have groups two different people. You have the hypocrites and you have the invalidators. They are not necessarily the same monster. -- slade -Original Message-From:ShieldsFamilySent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 23.39Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Keep in mind that Jesus greatest offense was that he exposed the hypocrisy of the orthodox theologians of the day, who used Tradition to invalidate Gods Word. Izzy From: Slade HensonSent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 7:44 PMSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I agree. The message threatened the Sadducean leadership. What would happen to their tenuous hold on the Temple Service when there was no legitimate claim to the High Priesthood? The Messiah, according to tradition, would be able to straighten the whole mess out. In fact, John Hyrcanus (I think) said he and his descendants would manage the High Priesthood until a prophet would come to tell the Judeans who had proper claim. Imaging the stress between a legitimate High Priest and the Romans who controlled the land, gave the Sadducees their power, and controlled access to the garments of the High Priest! No wonder they tried to find false witnesses to speak against Him. -- slade
[TruthTalk] What if Jesus is not God?
This poses an interesting question. What do you think is the fate of those who believe Jesus was just a man and not G-d? -- slade -Original Message-From:Judy TaylorSent: Thursday, 20 January, 2005 02.53Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? jt: So you just see Mormonism as a "different church?" Has your mother-in-law renounced the works of darkness, repented of following false gods and left that system? You are not doing DaveH any favors by the statement above.His soul is more important than us being 'nice' we need tocall things what they are. Ifyou can't see the problem then possibly you are deceived in this area also John andneed to do your homework. We have no authority to pronounce people"saved" It has to be between them and the Lord. all we can do is point them to "The Way" and encourage them in it -We canstand in faith for ourselves butuntil Jesus declares (at the end) those who belong to him - we speak presumptuously. jt
RE: [TruthTalk] Etzrah vaGer
Hang on to that joy, Debbie. It only gets better... Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Debbie SawczakSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 21.38To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Etzrah vaGer There have been things in the last few months of my reading and listening that have made joy well up as soon as I read them. This is one. Debbie -Original Message-From: Slade Henson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 8:28 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] Etzrah vaGer I found this email in my archives. I thought I would past it here to explain a bit more of my Biblical perspective. It speaks of the Gerim/Strangers who attach themselves to Israel (the Etzrah) I think I translated these from the Hebrew, except he last one from the Greek (don't hold me to this because it's been a long time since I've done this). The best way to translate "Ger" is convert -- [in today's language] a foreigner who becomes One in Messiah with Israel. -- slade Torah echad[One Torah] shall be to the etzrah [homegrown]and to the ger [stranger] who sojourns in your midst. (Shemot/Exodus 12:49) The ger [stranger] who sojourns among you shall be to you as etzrah [homegrown], and you shall love him as yourself; for you were gerim [strangers] inEretzMitzrayim [Land of Egypt]: I am YHVH Eloheinu [The Lord Your God]. (Vayikra/Leviticus 19:34) Mishpat echad[One verdict] shall be for you: as the ger [stranger], as an etzrah [homegrown]; for I am YHVH Eloheinu. (Vayikra/Leviticus 24:22) And if a ger [stranger] sojourns with you, and prepares Pesach[Passover] to YHVH; by the Chukkat [statutes] of the Pesach and byits mishpatu [verdicts] so shall he do; chukkah echad[one statute] shall be for you and the ger [stranger] and the etzrah [homegrown]. (Bemidbar/Numbers 9:14) Echad chukkah [One Statute] shall be for you of the Qahal [congregation] and the ger [stranger] who sojourns; Chukkat olam [an eternal statute] in your generations: as you are, so the ger [stranger] is before YHVH. Torah echad[One Torah] and Mishpat echad[one verdict] shall be for you, and the ger [stranger] who sojourns with you. (Bemidbar/Numbers 15:15-16)Torah Echad[One Torah] shall be to you for the etzrah [homegrown] among Bnai Yisrael[Sons of Israel]and the ger [stranger] sojourning among them for he who acts in error. (Bemidbar/Numbers 15:29)There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female: for all you are one in Messiah Yeshua [Jesus Christ]. (Galatians 3:28)
RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preachers
Hehehe...he's going up on trial soon. I hope they televise it. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 17.46To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preachers Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preachers I would say I have removed form the "street preachers" I knew. Put it this way...I was unfortunately blessed with the presence of Daniel Lee and many others of his kind. Kay I suspect that Daniel Lee is to Street Preaching what Michael Jackson is to Child Daycare. Izzy
RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching
Hahaha...the Felonious Spankerthose types might enjoy it, though... Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 17.40To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching David, I think if you want a REAL radical SP you should take KAY. They wouldnt dare turn a bare butt to her!!! (Do I have that right Slade?) Izzy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David MillerSent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 10:12 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching Slade wrote: Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming at her. The idea that street preachers chase and scream at people is a demonic lie. A few weeks ago, a student at UF raised that point right while my friend was preaching. My friend said, "I'm not chasing anyone. If you don't want to hear what we are talking about here, go on down the street. I'm not going to start chasing after you." The student who made this false claim readily agreed and acknowledged that he was wrong. I believe demons inspire people to say these false things. The people who say it do not even realize that they are saying it, and when they are on the spot called on it, they recognize the foolish absurdity of what they just said. Unfortunately, many do not say it when it can be rebutted, so it gets repeated again and again by others as truth when it really is a demonic lie. The television news channels in Tampa sometimes characterized my preaching as yelling and screaming. I did not like that characterization. I simply raised my voice to herald the truth. I did not scream. Perhaps some might characterize it as "yelling," but I would not characterize it that way. I call it preaching. When a person preaches, he is proclaiming, and if he is trying to speak to a group of people, he needs to raise his voice. Do you have a problem with that? I know God doesn't. By the way, Slade, if you want to see what street preaching is in person, I suggest you and me get together and go down to Ybor City some Friday night. I can preach and you can talk to the crowd that gathers and witness one on one. If you would like to try preaching too, that would be great. You might just get the urge to preach when you see how they crowd reacts. I have known people to be completely against street preaching come down there and in one night completely change their minds. Some have urged others to support the work, and some could not wait for a chance to preach themselves. Of course, there also have been some who vowed never to go back there again. One time another street preacher not accustomed to a night club scene accompanied me to Ybor, and a marijuana smoking homosexual pulled down his pants and mooned me. It became completely silent at that point, and the crowd had been on his side for the last 15 minutes, applauding his leud language and what not, so when this mooning happened and it got completely quiet, I pointed to his naked butt and said, "Behold Tampa, your leader." They were all in shame at that point, their hearts prepared, and I began to instruct them in the way of righteousness. Unfortunately, the guy with me could not handle the riotous atmosphere and the mooning was the last straw, so he vowed never to go back there with me again. I has another street preacher do a similar thing in Mardi Gras when he got hit in the eye with a bead. Some people cannot handle the abuse. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching
I've got a dumb question then They're all drunk and stoopid by then. Why bother? Okay...I'll stick my neck out here. I used to go to Dance Clubs. I used to take people's keys and drive them home. I used to talk to them and witness to them on the way to their homes, which I found didn't work. They didn't remember because they were so drunk. The next morning, I would go back to their homes, take them back to the club for their cars, and return their keys. I've done this on many occasions. Every time, they've asked WHY. That opens the door, and I get to talk to them. Like real people; understanding them. Several times I went with several of my Believing friends. There were people inside every single time who were ripe to listen. They came to us. I would rather be inside the joint, with the people, rather than hollering at them outside. Kay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 18.42 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching Slade wrote: I will consider your offer. Usually I go to Synagogue on Friday evenings (it begins at 8:00 PM). When do you get out? I have found it most productive to preach around 10:00 pm until 3:30 am. The 2:00 am to 3:30 am time is often best. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology
Could it not be symbolism...and just another name for Satan? He is called the dragon, the ancient dragon, the serpent, etc. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 17.17To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology Could be one and the same; maybe not. Just seems where theres symbolism (dragon), there could be more. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade HensonSent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 6:05 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology I don't think so, but it's okay if you do. I think it's literally stars from the sky, not angels. Continue reading to verse 9...when the Dragon (Satan) is hurled down with his angels. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 23.16To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology Hint: Stars = Angels? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade HensonSent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:24 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology I said literally STARS. Who/what is the Dragon/snakehint: serpent. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 09.39To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology Thought you all might find this interesting...I like to go to literal, word for word translations. I have found it helps alot... Quotedfrom The Orthodox Jewish Brit Chadasha: Hisgalus (The Revelation) Perek Yod Beit (Chapter 12) v. 4 And the tail of him drags down a third of the kokhavim (stars) of Shomayim (heaven) and threw them to ha'aretz (the earth), and the Dragon NACHASH (snake) was standing before the ISHA (woman) who was about to give birth, that when she gives birth to the YELED (Child) Seems to me it's literally stars that are thrown down from heaven. Kay By a literal dragon/snake? I think not. Izzy
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
We
didn't need our dog to help. In fact, she would scatter them more! Sheep are
very interesting...for instance, you have to have more than one. They die
without a 'buddy". If one dies, they do NOT leave their dead friend. Many, many
things we can learn from sheep. We'll be getting sheep again
soon
Kay
-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Debbie
SawczakSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 17.03To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
[Debbie] Don't yousometimes have to get a dog to help round them
up? (Does the dog bark? I wonder if the sheep feel pushed or intimidated by
the dog, or does the dogmake themthink it's their idea to go in a
certain direction...)
I
wonder if it's possible that street preaching, while not necessarily pass in
any theological sense, is just not theideal mediumfor our
culture; you have to violate too many cultural norms to do it. I notice we are
much moreculturally sensitive (or at least we'd acknowledge the value of
such sensitivity) when it comes to communicating to cultures other than our
own.If, for example, it was kind of rude to give a gift with your left
hand, we wouldn't do it, even if the gift was a Bible and our right arm was
sore. If it was rude to come to the point about anything without first
spendingan hour on small talk about our relatives, over tea, we would be
sure and do that. But some SPsflout NAm cultural norms fairly routinely
and (IMO) unnecessarily. --Not that that's the worst thing you can do, and I'm
willing to believe their motives are mostly pure (see rejected analogy
below).
Maybe inBible times it was moreusual for anybody with a
message toshout it out in a public place.Most public shouting in
our cultureis done by ticket-scalpers, circus-barkers, and certain kinds
of political demonstrators. Other public messages are generally delivered by
other means.
Someone might want to use an analogy of the kind, "What if there's a
comet about to hit the earth and you have to tell everybody to head for higher
ground?" But the analogy isn't appropriate.
Debbie
-Original Message-----From: Slade Henson
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005
7:11 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE:
[TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Au
contraire, contraire, preacher! All you have to do is lead...they follow.
You never have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for cows) a word to
them.
Kay, who has raised sheep with Slade
-Original Message-From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin
DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 22.05To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
Can't get em by your zipped lip either!Jeff Powers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
perfect analogy!
- Original Message -
From:
Slade Henson
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005
20:45
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is
a Christian?
What do you
think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone
astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and
search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it,
truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine
which have not gone astray.
Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't
get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming
at her.
- slade
-Original Message-From:Kevin
DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005
18.40Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
I have been easy on Dave this go round.
Would you agree Dave?
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RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
There are also lots of them in jails. When I worked with the mentally ill...many years agoI was absolutely POSITIVE many of them were indeed possessed. Oh, boy, this can raise lots of questions... Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 17.31To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Speaking of whichare there any opinions on schizophrenia being chemical vs demonic? Today while I was in an auxiliary meeting at the hospital a schizo. woman outside our meeting room in the cafeteria started ranting and carrying on so loud. Security had to deal with her. She was talking about God and at first I thought it was a street preacher. J I felt so sorry for her. Later one of the cafeteria workers told me that she has worked there 6 years and knows the woman, who is usually so sweet, but has these spells when she stops taking her meds. (Typical of schizophrenics.) Its such a terrible debilitating condition, and seems to affect most of the homeless who arent just junkies. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade HensonSent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 8:02 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? They aren't much into "testing the spirits" any longer, are they? Nor are they into taking medications that can help take the voices away K. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 08.33To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? As long as you agree that sheep are representative of Christians. Sheople today will follow any voiceSlade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Au contraire, contraire, preacher! All you have to do is lead...they follow. You never have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for cows) a word to them. Kay, who has raised sheep with Slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 22.05To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Can't get em by your zipped lip either!Jeff Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perfect analogy! - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 20:45 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray. Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming at her. - slade -Original Message-From:Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.40Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I have been easy on Dave this go round. Would you agree Dave? Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching
You're welcome. I've got another one, too, that illustrates maybe more of an in your face or shocking example: When I was in jail, I met alot of different women. Since my case was highly publicized, I received a ton of mail. There was excitement daily when it was mail call time. The guards would get upset with the amount of mail I received and it tickled the women. Anything upsetting to the guards tickled them! Anyhow, many of the people from Missionaries to the Pre-Born wrote me regularly and some came to visit. (Boy, did those times freak out the guards!) And they sent tracts. When I first opened a large envelope loaded with them, I attempted to keep them hidden as I thought these hardened criminal women would be offended. *I* didn't think they were ready for something as blatant as photos of dead, aborted babies. *I* should NOT have thought because I thought WRONG. (I happened to be in jail very soon after huge busts at a Grateful Dead concert and the jail was pretty crowded.) These women LOVED the tracts. So much so, that I had to call Matt collect and ask him to have his people send in MORE. The women would take the tracts and photos, and write to relatives they hadn't spoken to in years or were having problems with. Dear Mom...this was the child I never had because you made me get an abortion. Dear Joe: This could have been your son. And so on. It was really cool to watch. These women came to me regularly and told their secrets. I did not see them as criminals or dykes, or whores, or crack heads, or nuts, but as real, hurting human beings and treated them as such. There were only two of us Believers in the can amongst all the dredges of society. Some of the women were/are the neatest people I've ever met. Kay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Thursday, 20 January, 2005 06.53 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching Thanks for this - Original Message - From: Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 20, 2005 06:37 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching I've got a dumb question then They're all drunk and stoopid by then. Why bother? Okay...I'll stick my neck out here. I used to go to Dance Clubs. I used to take people's keys and drive them home. I used to talk to them and witness to them on the way to their homes, which I found didn't work. They didn't remember because they were so drunk. The next morning, I would go back to their homes, take them back to the club for their cars, and return their keys. I've done this on many occasions. Every time, they've asked WHY. That opens the door, and I get to talk to them. Like real people; understanding them. Several times I went with several of my Believing friends. There were people inside every single time who were ripe to listen. They came to us. I would rather be inside the joint, with the people, rather than hollering at them outside. Kay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 18.42 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching Slade wrote: I will consider your offer. Usually I go to Synagogue on Friday evenings (it begins at 8:00 PM). When do you get out? I have found it most productive to preach around 10:00 pm until 3:30 am. The 2:00 am to 3:30 am time is often best. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching
Glad you're enjoying them. I'm actually going to pretend I'm going to work today...have a case. And I'll just HAVE to needle in some discussion with my boss on the ride out there. He would not be gotten by yelling at him, either. Gently, ever so gently. Most people are very fragile. At least the ones I've come in contact with. They have such massive wounds that need tender care to begin the healing process, not busting them open to make them gape open, bleed, and fester. In my experience, I've found that only leads to more pain, infection, and ultimately death. Kay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Thursday, 20 January, 2005 07.22 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching More, please! - Original Message - From: Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 20, 2005 07:18 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching You're welcome. I've got another one, too, that illustrates maybe more of an in your face or shocking example: When I was in jail, I met alot of different women. Since my case was highly publicized, I received a ton of mail. There was excitement daily when it was mail call time. The guards would get upset with the amount of mail I received and it tickled the women. Anything upsetting to the guards tickled them! Anyhow, many of the people from Missionaries to the Pre-Born wrote me regularly and some came to visit. (Boy, did those times freak out the guards!) And they sent tracts. When I first opened a large envelope loaded with them, I attempted to keep them hidden as I thought these hardened criminal women would be offended. *I* didn't think they were ready for something as blatant as photos of dead, aborted babies. *I* should NOT have thought because I thought WRONG. (I happened to be in jail very soon after huge busts at a Grateful Dead concert and the jail was pretty crowded.) These women LOVED the tracts. So much so, that I had to call Matt collect and ask him to have his people send in MORE. The women would take the tracts and photos, and write to relatives they hadn't spoken to in years or were having problems with. Dear Mom...this was the child I never had because you made me get an abortion. Dear Joe: This could have been your son. And so on. It was really cool to watch. These women came to me regularly and told their secrets. I did not see them as criminals or dykes, or whores, or crack heads, or nuts, but as real, hurting human beings and treated them as such. There were only two of us Believers in the can amongst all the dredges of society. Some of the women were/are the neatest people I've ever met. Kay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Thursday, 20 January, 2005 06.53 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching Thanks for this - Original Message - From: Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 20, 2005 06:37 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching I've got a dumb question then They're all drunk and stoopid by then. Why bother? Okay...I'll stick my neck out here. I used to go to Dance Clubs. I used to take people's keys and drive them home. I used to talk to them and witness to them on the way to their homes, which I found didn't work. They didn't remember because they were so drunk. The next morning, I would go back to their homes, take them back to the club for their cars, and return their keys. I've done this on many occasions. Every time, they've asked WHY. That opens the door, and I get to talk to them. Like real people; understanding them. Several times I went with several of my Believing friends. There were people inside every single time who were ripe to listen. They came to us. I would rather be inside the joint, with the people, rather than hollering at them outside. Kay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 18.42 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching Slade wrote: I will consider your offer. Usually I go to Synagogue on Friday evenings (it begins at 8:00 PM). When do you get out? I have found it most productive to preach around 10:00 pm until 3:30 am. The 2:00 am to 3:30 am time is often best. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
The
kind you eat! :)
Kay
-Original Message-From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of
ShieldsFamilySent: Thursday, 20 January, 2005
08.08To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE:
[TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
How sad!!! We need
sheep for our Sheltie who has no way to run off her energy except to chase
squirrels. She gets very upset when they run up a tree (very
un-sheeplike.) Then I could take up spinning my own yarn for knitting scarves!
What kind did you have/are you going to get? Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Slade
HensonSent: Thursday,
January 20, 2005 5:55 AMTo:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
We didn't need our
dog to help. In fact, she would scatter them more! Sheep are very
interesting...for instance, you have to have more than one. They die without a
'buddy". If one dies, they do NOT leave their dead friend. Many, many things
we can learn from sheep. We'll be getting sheep again
soon
Kay
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Message-From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Debbie SawczakSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005
17.03To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
[Debbie] Don't
yousometimes have to get a dog to help round them up? (Does the dog
bark? I wonder if the sheep feel pushed or intimidated by the dog, or does
the dogmake themthink it's their idea to go in a certain
direction...)
I wonder if it's
possible that street preaching, while not necessarily passé in any
theological sense, is just not theideal mediumfor our
culture; you have to violate too many cultural norms to do it. I notice we
are much moreculturally sensitive (or at least we'd acknowledge the
value of such sensitivity) when it comes to communicating to cultures other
than our own.If, for example, it was kind of rude to give a gift with
your left hand, we wouldn't do it, even if the gift was a Bible and our
right arm was sore. If it was rude to come to the point about anything
without first spendingan hour on small talk about our relatives, over
tea, we would be sure and do that. But some SPsflout
NAm cultural norms fairly
routinely and (IMO) unnecessarily. --Not that that's the worst thing you can
do, and I'm willing to believe their motives are mostly pure (see rejected
analogy below).
Maybe inBible
times it was moreusual for anybody with a message toshout it out
in a public place.Most public shouting in our cultureis done by
ticket-scalpers, circus-barkers, and certain kinds of political
demonstrators. Other public messages are generally delivered by other
means.
Someone might want
to use an analogy of the kind, "What if there's a comet about to hit the
earth and you have to tell everybody to head for higher ground?" But the
analogy isn't appropriate.
Debbie
-Original
Message-From: Slade
Henson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005
7:11 AMTo:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
Au contraire,
contraire, preacher! All you have to do is lead...they follow. You never
have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for cows) a word to
them.
Kay, who has
raised sheep with Slade
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Message-From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin
DeeganSent: Tuesday,
18 January, 2005 22.05To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
Can't get em by your zipped lip
either!Jeff Powers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
perfect
analogy!
- Original Message
-
From:
Slade Henson
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent:
Tuesday, January 18, 2005 20:45
Subject:
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
What do you
think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone
astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and
search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it,
truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine
which have not gone astray.
Anyone who
has raised sheep knows you can't get
RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching
When the air hits the cancer, the cancer spreads much quicker and kills the patient. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Thursday, 20 January, 2005 08.35To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching Some wounds need to be cut wide open to remove the cancer of sin only then can you apply the healing balm of Gilead. Some are farther along in the process and are like ripe fruit ready to be plucked from fire Some plant some water, some needs to prepare the ground. Hopefully we have the spiritual discernment to see which is which. Hopefully we are not stuck in One Gear I don't preach Hell Fire Damnation to the crowd going to a Kiddie Show at the Arena I try to use the Sword of the word, with discernment
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Hehehe...homegrown sheep are the best
Kay
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ShieldsFamilySent: Thursday, 20 January, 2005
08.22To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE:
[TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Ohh! How
could you (Im not
going to ask how that lonely little sheep ended up all alone!)
Izzy
From:
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On Behalf Of Slade
HensonSent: Thursday,
January 20, 2005 7:18 AMTo:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
The kind you eat!
:)
Kay
-Original
Message-From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Thursday, 20 January, 2005
08.08To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
How sad!!! We need
sheep for our Sheltie who has no way to run off her energy except to chase
squirrels. She gets very upset when they run up a tree (very
un-sheeplike.) Then I could take up spinning my own yarn for knitting
scarves! What kind did you have/are you going to get?
Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Slade
HensonSent: Thursday,
January 20, 2005 5:55 AMTo:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
We didn't need our
dog to help. In fact, she would scatter them more! Sheep are very
interesting...for instance, you have to have more than one. They die without
a 'buddy". If one dies, they do NOT leave their dead friend. Many, many
things we can learn from sheep. We'll be getting sheep again
soon
Kay
-Original
Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Debbie
SawczakSent: Wednesday,
19 January, 2005 17.03To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
[Debbie] Don't
yousometimes have to get a dog to help round them up? (Does the dog
bark? I wonder if the sheep feel pushed or intimidated by the dog, or does
the dogmake themthink it's their idea to go in a certain
direction...)
I wonder if it's
possible that street preaching, while not necessarily passé in any
theological sense, is just not theideal mediumfor
our culture; you have to violate too many cultural norms to do it. I
notice we are much moreculturally sensitive (or at least we'd
acknowledge the value of such sensitivity) when it comes to communicating
to cultures other than our own.If, for example, it was kind of rude
to give a gift with your left hand, we wouldn't do it, even if the gift
was a Bible and our right arm was sore. If it was rude to come to the
point about anything without first spendingan hour on small talk
about our relatives, over tea, we would be sure and do that. But some
SPsflout NAm cultural norms fairly
routinely and (IMO) unnecessarily. --Not that that's the worst thing you
can do, and I'm willing to believe their motives are mostly pure (see
rejected analogy below).
Maybe
inBible times it was moreusual for anybody with a message
toshout it out in a public place.Most public shouting in our
cultureis done by ticket-scalpers, circus-barkers, and certain kinds
of political demonstrators. Other public messages are generally delivered
by other means.
Someone might
want to use an analogy of the kind, "What if there's a comet about to hit
the earth and you have to tell everybody to head for higher ground?" But
the analogy isn't appropriate.
Debbie
-Original
Message-From:
Slade Henson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005
7:11 AMTo:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
Au contraire,
contraire, preacher! All you have to do is lead...they follow. You never
have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for cows) a word to
them.
Kay, who has
raised sheep with Slade
-Original
Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin
DeeganSent: Tuesday,
18 January, 2005 22.05To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is
a Christian?
Can't get em by your zipped lip
either!Jeff Powers
[EMAIL P
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
I just HAVE to ask... Are Mormon undies different than anyone else's undies??? Were they female Mormon undies? Did the preachers get them as prizes?? Dang...I always thought Mormons didn't wear undies. :) Kay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Thursday, 20 January, 2005 10.08 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charles Perry Locke wrote: DaveH, Something is being twisted here beyond it's bounds. The term street preacher refers to all evangelicals that preach in the open air, but you are using it to refer to those that offend you. DAVEH: ??? I don't recall saying any of the street preachers offended me. Are you certain that is what you think I said, Perry? If so, may I suggest you misunderstood me. So, you were not offended by anything the street preachers you have heard or read about in SLC a year or two ago, waving mormon undies and yelling and shouting at people at the GC? If that did not offend you at all, then I have misrepresented your feelings on the issue. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Really? Uh-oham I gonna get a spanking??? Kay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Thursday, 20 January, 2005 18.56 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Oh, boy, Kay--did you ever open a can of worms. Maybe you'd better check out the archives on mormon underwear. :-) Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 5:20 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I just HAVE to ask... Are Mormon undies different than anyone else's undies??? Were they female Mormon undies? Did the preachers get them as prizes?? Dang...I always thought Mormons didn't wear undies. :) Kay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Thursday, 20 January, 2005 10.08 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charles Perry Locke wrote: DaveH, Something is being twisted here beyond it's bounds. The term street preacher refers to all evangelicals that preach in the open air, but you are using it to refer to those that offend you. DAVEH: ??? I don't recall saying any of the street preachers offended me. Are you certain that is what you think I said, Perry? If so, may I suggest you misunderstood me. So, you were not offended by anything the street preachers you have heard or read about in SLC a year or two ago, waving mormon undies and yelling and shouting at people at the GC? If that did not offend you at all, then I have misrepresented your feelings on the issue. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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RE: [TruthTalk] Was Abraham a Christian?
The logic, David, does not work. The early Messianic believers in Messiah called themselves haDerechim... followers of The Way. They were called "Christians" by their opponents in Antioch, that's why it is believed by many to be an "insulting" term... like being called a "Jesus Freak." Had the text of BOM said "Followers of The Way" or something similar, there would be fuel for your argument because I know a couple groups called themselves followers of The Way throughout Judaism. Unfortunately the author of the Books of Mormon didn't have the historical background to understand this. -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Dave HansenSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 01.01To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] Was Abraham a Christian?DAVEH: Hm.Is it really possible for there not to have been any Christians prior to those mentioned in Acts 11:26.say, not even before Christ came into the world??? As I see it, it is no less likely than Jesus being our Redeemer before he came into the world. If one simply draws a quick conclusion by prooftexting one Bible passage without looking at the big picture, one might draw the conclusion that there were no Christians prior to vs 26. However, LDS theology teaches that the Gospel is an eternal concept that existed before the foundations of the world. We believe Jesus was our Saviour and Redeemer in the pre-mortal existence, and those following him in that realm qualified us to be Christians therelong before even Adam was born. Now I know you probably don't want to consider that possibility, as it was a long time ago and your memory about it (yes, I believe you were there rooting for Jesus then as strongly as you are rooting for him now!) is as vague as mine. Solet's step outside the realm of the Bible for a minute, and let me take you to an earlier era where the followers of Christ were called Christians before he was born...And those who did belong to the church were faithful; yea, all those who were true believers in Christ took upon them, gladly, the name of Christ, or Christians as they were called, because of their belief in Christ, who should come. Alma 46:15..That was spoken by a BoM prophet some 73 years before the birth of our Lord, which predates his disciples mentioned in vs 26 by approximately a hundred plus years. Yikes.that does sound rather ANACHRONISTIC, doesn't it! Maybe you've got a point to consider, Kevin. Those folks in the BoM really believed Jesus would be coming in the future, and hence were considered to be Christians at that time. Do you suppose there are any Bible passages that suggests Jesus would be born in the future? I'd be tempted to quote some pertinent passages, but I don't want to irritate Perry any more than I already have by picking and choosing Scripture as evidence that my LDS biased beliefs are supported by the Bible. Hopefully you get the point, Kevin. FTR...from my (LDS) perspective, those who believed in the forthcoming Messiah (Jesus Christ), were Christians. Even though the disciples mentioned in vs 26 (Acts 11) denotes those to first be called Christians in the NT, it does not logically follow that they were actually the first Christians, Kevin. Just think of the throngs of believers who followed Jesus during his ministrywere they not Christians as well? Furthermore, I think we can simplify this discussion if we consider the proper definition of Christian.and we've discussed that a bit, eh! For the sake of simplicity, let's use your definition, Kevin.. Christians: Those who worship the One true God who has REVEALED Himself through the Bible...Now Kevin, were the disciples in vs 26 the first to worship the One true God? I don't believe so, and I suspect you don't either. Did any of Jesus' followers through the early part of his ministry do such ( worship the One true God)? If so, why cannot they also be considered to be Christians, even if the term was not Biblically used to denote them as such? Moving on to the original question you posed below as to whether or not I believed Abraham was a Christian.Let's apply the same standard. Do you think Abraham worshiped the One true God? According to LDS theology, he didhence my answer in the affirmative. I can't speak for your side of the fence though, so what do you think, Kevin..Did Abraham worship the One true God who has REVEALED Himself through the Bible?Kevin Deegan wrote: I was just curious, since the BOM has so many ANACHRONISTIC errors about Christ in it. NO, how could they be Christians before Christ came into the world? Acts 11:26 And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.Dave Hansen
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Reread my post and you will see that is isnot suggested. In fact, the man went out and SOUGHT the lost sheep. -- slade -Original Message-From:Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 22.05 From: Slade Henson Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 20:45 What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray. Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming at her. - slade From:Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.40 I have been easy on Dave this go round. Would you agree Dave?
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
How is this a rebuke? Again, you do not believe Mormon are "True Christians" therefore are not subject to "Rebuke." The disciples, as True Christians, ARE subject to rebuke (if this even is a rebuke) because of "wrong belief" as you call it. -- slade -Original Message-From:Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 00.36 Here is an example of Rebuke for wrong belief Mark 16:14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, some Christians need rebuke. I can think of several in need of a good spanking. So do some Jewish people. This is the main purpose of the Prophetic Office -- to get G-d's people back in line. -- slade
RE: [TruthTalk] Why the Eternal Sonship of Christ Matters to Me
Actually my wife was kind of quoting me (and put my name on the bottom of her post). I was speaking about the Hebrew Oral tradition that was eventually (and rather quickly) written/translated into Greek and the translated into English. It's a mistake to understand idiomatic language word for word. It needs tobe understood phrase by phrase. "I'm going to stay up until the cows come home" means "I'm going to stay up really late." If you try to understand it word for word, the person will be going to bed about 75 minutes before dark. -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Dave HansenSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 01.07To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Why the Eternal Sonship of Christ Matters to MeDAVEH: Hmmaybe Slade's referring to the way Mormons are accused of defining things differently! ;-) David Miller wrote: Slade wrote: Yes, basically it has nothing to do with it. "Begot" is a terrible translation. Two different languages What do you mean by "two different languages"? -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Au contraire, contraire, preacher! All you have to do is lead...they follow. You never have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for cows) a word to them. Kay, who has raised sheep with Slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 22.05To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Can't get em by your zipped lip either!Jeff Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perfect analogy! - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 20:45 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray. Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming at her. - slade -Original Message-From:Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.40Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I have been easy on Dave this go round. Would you agree Dave? Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more.
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Being called "Christians" was a derogatory statement, right? Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 22.49To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I do not follow, to which does which refer?Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which was a derogatory statement, correct? Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 19.12To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I was just curious, since the BOM has so many ANACHRONISTIC errors about Christ in it. NO, how could they be Christians before Christ came into the world? Acts 11:26 And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
I
agree as well, although Jeff may not have stated it very eloquently.
I'm
assistance of counsel on a street preachers dependency case. I must say they are
the ones with the MOST difficulty in following directions...to their own
detriment.
Kay
-Original Message-From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Lance
MuirSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 06.14To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
Does anyone view John the Baptist as a
model'street preacher'?
I essentially concur with Jeff's
characterization. I see SP's as a kind of 'sandwich board' with
words.
- Original Message -
From:
Jeff
Powers
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 19, 2005 05:30
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
Kevin, You are a Jerk! To top it off, I've met
street preachers from coast to coast and you guys all say the same thing
when I tell ya that I'm not interrested in your kind of "ministry". Every
street preacher I have met has said about his fellow street preacher, "He's
not a street preacher, come see a real street preacher in
action..."
Guess what? ALL OF YOU ARE THE SAME. Rude,
obnoxious, irritating, and I have seen you guys scare more people away from
Messiah than draw in.
You are all fuel for the worlds critics, showing
just how asinine and irrelevant faith is to the modern world.
Then you guys even have the balls to say that
you do it out of love of Messiah!! It does not matter if one is a believer
or not, most people want nothing to do with that kind of "love". It is not
love of Messiah or your fellow man that you act the way you do. It's love of
power and the ability to call someone names, belittle and berate them.
Street Preachers are the dangerous ones, they do
more harm than good.
Jeff
Life makes warriors of us all.To emerge the
victors, we must armourselves with the most potent of weapons.That
weapon is prayer.--Rebbe Nachman of Breslov
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005
0:14
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
baaa baaa baad - Terrible analogy, how could you
miss it?
Mormons are not sheep but goats
When He comes in His glory:
MT 25 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand,
but the goats on the left
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed
of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of
the world
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart
from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his
angelsJeff Powers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
perfect analogy!
- Original Message -
From:
Slade Henson
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005
20:45
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is
a Christian?
What do you
think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone
astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and
search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it,
truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine
which have not gone astray.
Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't
get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming
at her.
- slade
-Original Message-From:Kevin
DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005
18.40Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
I have been easy on Dave this go round.
Would you agree Dave?
Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do
more. Manage less.
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
I was waiting for that, too, Izzy Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 06.41To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Yes, I DO see John the Baptist as the classic street preacher. It got his head cut off. Lance, do you see any calling for that ministry today, or did it die with John? Izzy (Waiting to see the response of the Moderators to Jeffs blatant ad hominem.)
RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything
LOL! That was hysterical Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Jeff PowersSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 16.37To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything In my younger days we called it "Tripping"!
RE: [TruthTalk] Bookman
Is that the one with all the hidden Bible codes in it?? Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 07.55To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] Bookman Say Lance (the Bookman), do you sell and/or have you read the DaVinci code and if so do you have an opinion about it? Aso anyone else on TT. My neice in Australia is reading it and she is totally anti Bible, anti Church that my interest has been tweaked because she says she "likes" it. jt
RE: [TruthTalk] Bookman
It's not what I thought it was. I just looked it up and read the reviews. It's a mystery novel. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 08.01To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Bookman Sell? No! I've listen to the audiobook of the novel. IMO, it isn't outstanding. Several responses have issued from Christian sourses. If interested to know more then, just ask. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 19, 2005 07:55 Subject: [TruthTalk] Bookman Say Lance (the Bookman), do you sell and/or have you read the DaVinci code and if so do you have an opinion about it? Aso anyone else on TT. My neice in Australia is reading it and she is totally anti Bible, anti Church that my interest has been tweaked because she says she "likes" it. jt
RE: [TruthTalk] Bookman
Oh...I didn't read THAT about the book! Oh, my! I just realized it wasn't the one I thought it was...I was thinking of some Bible Code book...I think that one is BUNK. K. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 08.02To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Bookman No. This is the one where Jesus fathered a child via Mary Magdalene. - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 19, 2005 07:58 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Bookman Is that the one with all the hidden Bible codes in it?? Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 07.55To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] Bookman Say Lance (the Bookman), do you sell and/or have you read the DaVinci code and if so do you have an opinion about it? Aso anyone else on TT. My neice in Australia is reading it and she is totally anti Bible, anti Church that my interest has been tweaked because she says she "likes" it. jt
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
I
don't think so...the one sheep was "lost".
Kay
-Original Message-From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy
TaylorSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 07.42To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
A big problem with this analogy and street preaching
is that "sheep" are already in the fold so they "know"
the voice of the Shepherd - even John the Baptist was
preaching to God's Covenant people.
I have my own issues with
the methods of someStreet Preachers (not all)
because I don't like "throwing yourself down from the pinnacle of the temple" type antics. However, they are
doing something not many of us would want to do
and they are exposing pplwho would never be
confronted in their own circlesto the name of Jesus - Paul said that even if someone is out
there for a wrong motive we should be thankful for that, so I now bless them
in Jesus name. jt
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:11:24 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Au
contraire, contraire, preacher! All you have to do is lead...they follow. You
never have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for cows)
a
word to them. Kay, who has
raised sheep with Slade
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin
Deegan
Can't get em by your zipped lip either!Jeff Powers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
perfect analogy!
From:
Slade Henson
What do you
think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone
astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and
search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it,
truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine
which have not gone astray.
Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't
get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming
at her.
- slade
From:Kevin DeeganI have been easy
on Dave this go round.
Would you agree Dave?
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RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
It's not a case arising out of preaching on the street. Different situation. But he has the same attitude as many of those types of cases...self-righteous and won't shut up which in turn harms his case. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 08.31To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? What case Kay? So I can know where you are coming from.
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
They aren't much into "testing the spirits" any longer, are they? Nor are they into taking medications that can help take the voices away K. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 08.33To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? As long as you agree that sheep are representative of Christians. Sheople today will follow any voiceSlade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Au contraire, contraire, preacher! All you have to do is lead...they follow. You never have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for cows) a word to them. Kay, who has raised sheep with Slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 22.05To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Can't get em by your zipped lip either!Jeff Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perfect analogy! - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 20:45 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray. Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming at her. - slade -Original Message-From:Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.40Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I have been easy on Dave this go round. Would you agree Dave? Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
I would say I have known many who were involved in those types of cases. Some I have supported, most I've not. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 09.44To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? It's not a case arising out of preaching on the street. Different situation. But he has the same attitude as many of those types of cases...self-righteous and won't shut up which in turn harms his case. So you have worked MANY of those (SP) type of cases?Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not a case arising out of preaching on the street. Different situation. But he has the same attitude as many of those types of cases...self-righteous and won't shut up which in turn harms his case. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 08.31To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? What case Kay? So I can know where you are coming from. Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more.
RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preachers
How about this I know Matt Trewhella and his group. I attended Matt's church a couple of times. I attended a protest with Matt's group and have seen their protests many times, over several years. I supported most of them. A few of his missionaries are personal friends of ours, one being a midwife for one of our children. The Missionaries were involved in many different cases that I was very aware of, one included the suing the county we used to live in for false arrest and freedom of speech issues. I would say this group is a bit different than the "street preaching". They are activists out protesting/demonstrating more than a large group of "street preachers". There is, however, preaching going on while protesting/demonstrating. I know many others out there who are also "street preachers". I concur with Jeff and Lance on their thoughts regarding them. I've read many of the case law citations on-line on these different cases for the Constitutional law insight and citations of other cases while doing research on Constitutional issues. Have I assisted on street preacher cases? I have given advice to some who have contacted me. But I would say NO, I have not actively worked on a street preachers case that arose WHILE street preaching, except for the menial advice I have given. It is not my "realm" or my "specialty". Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 11.10To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? So let me make sure I understand, you have known MANY SP's invovled in these types of cases, right?
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
What was your life like in the years before Messiah? Were youa "wildman?" -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.37To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Age 50 I was saved on December 12th 1972Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin. So I can better know how to relate to you, would you answer these questions for me? 1. What isyour physical age? 2. How long have you been a believer? -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 14.19To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I only know of him ONLINE.. Hedoes NOT have a Street Preacher's heart. Let me splain it to ya this way, OK? We took a Christian man to a very large "protest march" There were all kinds of Angry people marching for all kinds of Demands This Christian was so scared he sat the whole time by the police line near hundreds of police. When we got home he told wonderous stories and told everyone he was a SP Not sure where his heart was. In fact this man once said to me of a group he was frustrated over "let them burn in hell" I care not for any to go to Hell! Have you ever seen a Street Preacher weep for those caught in sin? I have many times Have you ever seen a Street Preacher PRAY for the lost and Cry out to God, till his eyes were red and snot was coming out his nose? I have many times That is a Street Preachers heart!Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay...what's the difference? Someone else told me the same thing. Are you blessed with knowing Daniel Lee? What is the difference between Street Preacher Daniel Lee sortand a Street Preacher sort? Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 13.37To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Yes I read it. She will never get saved after meeting that idiot. That WAS NOT a STREET PREACHER Sort! It was probably a Dan Lee sort Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [TruthTalk] Looking for a SOFTER GENTLER God?
Listening is a good trait. WhenI say we cannot use sinful, angry speech to bring people into the covenant. Stern language is allowable when those WITHIN THE COVENANT are not willing to repent from sin. Yeshua is our example. The woman in adultery was not scorned and called a Wicked Whore. She was told -- calmly and lovingly -- go and sin no more. The Perushim/Pharisees who were hypocritical should have known better, and Yeshua called the spade a spade. I hope the differences here are understood and heard. It has nothing to do with God Version 2.0, or the Kinder Gentler G-d. -- slade
RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching
Thank you for the list but I am not against Street Preaching. I am against sinful behavior in the name of Jesus. -- slade -Original Message-From:Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 11.34 Slade wrote: Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't get the lost sheep to come back tothe fold by chasing and screaming at her. KD says: Slade, if you are so against Street Preaching whatdo you think of these SP's?
RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching
I will consider your offer. Usually I go to Synagogue on Friday evenings (it begins at 8:00 PM). Also understand I do not think all Street Preachers call the single pregnant omen whores at the tops of their lungs to draw a crowd. I've discovered that most of the Street Preachers I've met do have a style and mannerism I find contrary to my personality style. Also, Take the post in context. I said you cannot round up sheep by chasing and screaming. Similarly, tactics that people find oppressive or insulting will not attract them to the Good News. -slade -Original Message- From: David Miller Sent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 11.12 The idea that street preachers chase and scream at people is a demonic lie. The television news channels in Tampa sometimes characterized my preaching as yelling and screaming. By the way, Slade, if you want to see what street preaching is in person, I suggest you and me get together and go down to Ybor City some Friday night. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? *REPRIMAND*
Jerk, Jeff? I know you know better than that! -- slade -Original Message-From: Jeff PowersSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 05.30Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Kevin, You are a.
RE: [TruthTalk] Muslim Hate crime against Coptic christians?
Is this a reason to hate Muslims? -- slade -Original Message-From:Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 15.56To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Muslim Hate crime against Coptic christians? 'ISLAMIC HATE' EYED IN SLAYS http://www.newyorkpost.com/news/regionalnews/38704.htm http://michellemalkin.com/archives/001248.htmThis guy was threatened by a muslim on PALTALK.comThe Murderers stabbed the 15 yr olds wrist where she had a tattoo of a Coptic CROSSAll were stabbed in the throat as if to silence themNone of the Jewelry was takenhttp://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/18/nyregion/18jersey.html
RE: [TruthTalk] News Report from Jerusalem FYI
Please read this post from the archives.. Especially the last section. -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 15.16To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] News Report from Jerusalem FYI Looks like the demise of Yassir Arafat has only opened the way for more of the same, and worse. ABU MAZEN: LITTLE JIHAD IS OVER, BIG JIHAD STARTS Appearing before cheering crowds on January 9, Abu Mazen said that the period ofthe "little jihad [holy war] had ended, and now the big jihad is beginning." This quote led to a quaint exchange on Israel Radio's morning newsmagazine. Arabic-speaking correspondent Avi Yisacharov played the tapes of Abu Mazen's quotes, andthen quickly said, "Regarding the future..." He was immediately interrupted by anchorman Aryeh Golan, who said, "Whoa, wait a second. What's this 'big jihad' stuff?" Yisacharov gave a nervous chuckle and said, "I don't think he means a real jihad, he just means the challenges ahead of reforms in the PA and the release of Palestinian prisoners by Israel..." Yisacharov similarly played a recording of a leading Abu Mazen supporter singing in joy at the results of the election and explained that it was simply "an old PLO [Palestine Liberation Organization] war song."Abu Mazen did little to allay Israeli fears that he is no different than Arafat. He said he dedicates his victory to "brother shahid [martyr] Yasser Arafat," to the "shahids and prisoners," and to the "Palestinian people from Rafiah to Jenin." The crowd responded, "A million shahids marching to Jerusalem!" (BFP) ---BeginMessage--- You celebrate the death of a man. I find the moment tragic. Had he been given and accepted the Truth, The Land would be a bit different (or he would have been assassinated). Tragic. He fought for the rights of [his] people in The Land. He was wrong in attempting to create a Palestinian state because those of the nations who want a part in The Land must enjoin themselves with Israel (according to Torah). Tragic. He was wrong in allowing/encouraging terrorism against innocent bystanders. Tragic. Israel is wrong in creating an Us-Them dichotomy in the Land. The nation of Israel is wrong in disassociating with Jewish people who've accepted [a] Messiah who was born, died, and resurrected 2,000 years ago. Tragic. Until Israel remembers their captivity in Egypt, remembers the agony of being segregated and murdered and demeaned, and recognizes the HE who was pierced, there will be no peace for them. Everything I do is for the love of God, Israel/Jerusalem/Israeli/Jewish Person, and my neighbor... and in that order. I wonder if The Land is going to be better off now that Arafat has died. After all, Israel had a hard time keeping up with Arafat's footmen. Imagine what it'll be like if the horsemen arrive. -- slade -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Saturday, 13 November, 2004 08.17 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Arafat is gone So what makes his death any more tragic than the deaths of every other lost soul? Tell me, would you rather he had lived longer to slaughter more innocent victims? Please also tell me, do you love Israel at all? Izzy -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. ---End Message---
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Beautiful, Judy!! Really!! I have outlined in RED the part I like the most in your post. What you say in defense of Street Preachers is what I say in defense of Pharisees. -- slade -Original Message-From: Judy TaylorSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 07.42Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? A big problem with this analogy and street preaching is that "sheep" are already in the fold so they "know" the voice of the Shepherd - even John the Baptist was preaching to God's Covenant people. I have my own issues with the methods of someStreet Preachers (not all) because I don't like "throwing yourself down from the pinnacle of the temple" type antics. However, they are doing something not many of us would want to do and they are exposing pplwho would never be confronted in their own circlesto the name of Jesus - Paul said that even if someone is out there for a wrong motive we should be thankful for that, so I now bless them in Jesus name. jt
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
I'm getting to the emails now!! I am surprised David Miller didn't say something. As far as comments directed at David Miller, I'm letting him [David]take care of those. -- slade -Original Message-From: Judy TaylorSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 07.44 Me too - Kay and Izzy... On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:19:48 -0500 writes: I was waiting for that, too, Izzy Kay From:ShieldsFamily(Waiting to see the response of the Moderators to Jeffs blatant ad hominem.)
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
How do you figure? Can you give me a corner He preached on? Can you do the same thing with John the Lutheran? I see neither of these as Street Preachers. -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 08.38To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Yes Jesus was a model 'Street preacher' too. What about some of the other names (listed in a previous post), did you know they were SP's too?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone view John the Baptist as a model'street preacher'? I essentially concur with Jeff's characterization. I see SP's as a kind of 'sandwich board' with words.
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Rebukes are for the people of God. DK said: Well I would upbraid you right now for your hard heart,but I might get moderated Slade: Why would you "upbraid" me? -- slade -Original Message-From: Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 08.41Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Slade- How is this a rebuke? Well I would upbraid you right now for your hard heart,but I might get moderated Mark 16:14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
What binds them [Mormons] together is the mutual hatred they have for the Street Preachers (the common-enemy theorem of mine). I'm glad many Street Preachers have had success with Mormons. Perhaps the techniques used by THOSE preachers works. Perhaps some of these preachers need to take a class or two under these more successful Street Preachers. I would love to see Street Preachers have a good reputation. Additionally, I wish Christians [Messianics included] had a better reputation as well! -- slade -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 10.51 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Slade wrote: I believe you missed Dave's point. The Street Preachers are there to rid the adherents of their false doctrine, but what are they doing?? The Street Preachers are causing them to be even MORE adherent! Maybe you missed Kevin's point. If that were true, they should welcome the street preachers. They HATE the street preachers. So, maybe Dave's point is not the truth, but a smoke screen. Or, maybe the die hard Mormons are becoming more adherent because they see their ship is getting shot full of holes. You might note that there have been scores of Mormons converted by the street preaching efforts. Furthermore, they have exposed the lack of love by the Mormon church for Freedom of Speech and for the public to have freedom around their Temple. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] Looking for a SOFTER GENTLER God?
-Original Message-From:Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 18.02Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Looking for a SOFTER GENTLER God?I take Offense at those that despise His Holy Name or trample His Blood under their feetHow about a little Righteous Indignation? Am I guilty of this? How does one trample underfoot His blood? Surely I can not preach on "God loves you" at the Sodom Parade or to God Haters like Marilyn Manson crowd What are you doing there anyway? Wouldn't you call fire and brimstone down instead? -- slade
RE: [TruthTalk] News Report from Jerusalem FYI
ok. --slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 18.26To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] News Report from Jerusalem FYI Ill be happy when every one of them is dead. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade HensonSent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 5:18 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] News Report from Jerusalem FYI Please read this post from the archives.. Especially the last section. -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 15.16To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] News Report from Jerusalem FYI Looks like the demise of Yassir Arafat has only opened the way for more of the same, and worse. ABU MAZEN: LITTLE JIHAD IS OVER, BIG JIHAD STARTS Appearing before cheering crowds on January 9, Abu Mazen said that the period ofthe "little jihad [holy war] had ended, and now the big jihad is beginning." This quote led to a quaint exchange on Israel Radio's morning newsmagazine. Arabic-speaking correspondent Avi Yisacharov played the tapes of Abu Mazen's quotes, andthen quickly said, "Regarding the future..." He was immediately interrupted by anchorman Aryeh Golan, who said, "Whoa, wait a second. What's this 'big jihad' stuff?" Yisacharov gave a nervous chuckle and said, "I don't think he means a real jihad, he just means the challenges ahead of reforms in the PA and the release of Palestinian prisoners by Israel..." Yisacharov similarly played a recording of a leading Abu Mazen supporter singing in joy at the results of the election and explained that it was simply "an old PLO [Palestine Liberation Organization] war song."Abu Mazen did little to allay Israeli fears that he is no different than Arafat. He said he dedicates his victory to "brother shahid [martyr] Yasser Arafat," to the "shahids and prisoners," and to the "Palestinian people from Rafiah to Jenin." The crowd responded, "A million shahids marching to Jerusalem!" (BFP)
RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching
Any. -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 18.05Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching What sinful behavior in particular?Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for the list but I am not against Street Preaching. I am against sinful behavior in the name of Jesus. -- slade
RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching
I [usually] get out between 22:30-23:15 and have a 45 minute drive home. I would have to take the sleeping kids home first... I admit to a but of discomfort in Ybor City. 02:00-03:30 must be closing time? -- slade -Original Message- From: David Miller Sent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 18.42 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching Slade wrote: I will consider your offer. Usually I go to Synagogue on Friday evenings (it begins at 8:00 PM). When do you get out? I have found it most productive to preach around 10:00 pm until 3:30 am. The 2:00 am to 3:30 am time is often best. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] Ten Commandments
KILL 'EM ALL! -- slade -Original Message-From: David MillerSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 18.16Subject: [TruthTalk] Ten Commandments From the Wall Street Journal: http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=25sid=393444 The American Civil Liberties Union threatened to sue the city of Frederick, Md., over a Ten Commandments monument in a city park, so Mayor Jennifer Dougherty came up with a clever idea: She sold the land on which the monument sat to the local chapter of the Fraternal Order of Eagles. Since it's no longer on public land, she argued, it doesn't violate the separation of church and state--even though it's still in the middle of a city park. It's similar to the Jewish custom of "selling chametz" for Passover. Chametz refers to any grain product except matzah prepared specifically for the holiday, and Chabad.org explains the sale procedure: A person who owns a large quantity of chametz which he is reluctant to dispose of, because doing so may cause him considerable financial loss, may sell his chametz to a non Jew. After writing a bill of sale, one may leave the chametz in his home without transgressing the prohibitions of not seeing or having chametz, since the chametz no longer belongs to him. However, it must be set aside in a special place which is rented to the non Jew who has purchased it, so that the chametz becomes the property of the non Jew until after Passover. The place where this sold chametz is stored should be inaccessible, so that neither he nor the members of his family take anything from there through force of habit. The bill of sale for the chametz states that he is selling his chametz to the non Jew for a specific price. The non Jewish purchaser then gives him a down payment either money or something with intrinsic value, to acquire ownership of the chametz. A stipulation is added to the bill of sale, stating that if the purchaser does not pay the balance due by the end of Passover, the chametz will revert to the original owner at that time that is, at the end of Passover. The non Jew's failure to pay will not be seen as having retroactively invalidated the sale. Thus, during Passover, the chametz belongs to the non Jew and the original owner is not liable for having chametz in his possession on Passover. You can even sell your chametz online. Back in Frederick, though, Mayor Dougherty's effort to save the Ten Commandments didn't satisfy Americans United for Separation of Church and State. The Associated Press reports the group is pursuing a lawsuit on behalf of a local resident, Roy Chambers, who argues that the sale "was a 'scam' that left church and state entwined." Which just goes to show you that American secularists are more orthodox even than the most observant Jew.
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
In John 7:37, Yeshua spoke in The Temple where other religious Jewish people and converts were congregated. -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 11.38To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Does it really matter how many get Saved, how many Timothies I have? If you really want to know I could tell you but I feel that you already have it settled in your mind. If Jesus was not a SP, could you explain whyJesus stands up in the middle of a Religious feast and CRIES JN 7:37 WasHe weeping goingBOO WH? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/19/2005 6:26:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes Jesus was a model 'Street preacher' too.Jesus was not street preacher. He spoke and taught in places that encouaged the exchange of ideas (such as a synagogue or, perhaps, the Temple courtyard). Crowds followed Him and presented opportunities for His teaching because He showered them with benevolent acts of compassion. He spoke harshly to those of his own, believing that they were willfully blinded by their own sense of selfish ambition. That is the pattern. I have converted a few to Christ -- the caring/open-the-door-to-opportunity/get-them-to-ask-the-question instead-of-me approach works. You preach to the "enemy" (in your mind), ask all the questions, give answer to these questions, and pretty much have no off button that I can see. Does God work through your ministry? Obviously and on occasion, yes. But how many are out there, Kevin. How many? I say, take your energies and enthusiam for the Lord and minister to those who KNOW that they do not have all the answers. Or, you can continue to think I don't have a clue when it comes to preaching the gospel -- whatever. I know that benevolent caring, a life lived with holy desire, and a ready answer (emphasis on "ready) will work. I believe this to be the biblical example. It is much much more difficult to bring people to a point in time when THEY ask the question, Kevin. It is infintely easier to preach them to hell. Peter's example in Acts two did just this. Who asked the question? THEY did. Is harshness always wrong. Of course not..but you have wasted your time, comparatively speaking, when the search for Christ is not enhanced by the words you speak. John Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more.
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Thank you for the testimony, David. I think I would like the "gentle man." -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of David MillerSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 16.10To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I usually refrain from offering anamen toposts, but this is some really fantastic dialogue, Kevin. THANK YOU.You really express yourself well. A hearty amen from me to all you said here. I would like to point out also to others that I met Kevin once in New Orleans whenpreaching Mardi Gras. He is a gentle man and not like many of you might perceive him. He makes huge sacrifices to get God's Word out to the lost. Just because he keeps focused on getting his message out does not mean that he is unreasonable or full of pride or arrogant or whatever other label you might be tempted to put uponhim. He is a meek and humble man whoheralds truth, and if the sinners can't stop him with their ridicule, you won't stop him by trying to ridicule him here. When he talks about others crying for the lost, he is not just talking about others. He is talking about himself, but he is too humble and modest to say that. Kevin is a street preacher who really cares for others. He has a deep, burning love for the lost that far surpasses probably everybody on thislist. I found it interesting to watch the videofrom the Mormon site. There were three men pictured there: Ruben, Dean, and Stephen. The video ends with something like, "would you invite these Christians to your home"? I could not help but laugh. I have invited all of these men to my home. They are always welcome at my home. Ruben has stayed the night at my homeseveral times, and I have spent the night with him on the road before as well. And the Mormons say, "would you invite him to your home"? LOL. Too funny. Of course I would. Peace be with you.David Miller.
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Again,
you have a well thought-out argument.
--
slade... moo!
-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Debbie
SawczakSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 17.26To:
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Christian?
And
if the use of 'sheep' distracts people from the point and tempts them with
irrelevant sheep-goat stuff, those folk should just substitute 'cows'.
--Debbie
-Original Message-From: Debbie Sawczak
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 5:03
PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE:
[TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
[Debbie] Don't yousometimes have to get a dog to help round
them up? (Does the dog bark? I wonder if the sheep feel pushed or
intimidated by the dog, or does the dogmake themthink it's their
idea to go in a certain direction...)
I
wonder if it's possible that street preaching, while not necessarily pass
in any theological sense, is just not theideal
mediumfor our culture; you have to violate too many cultural norms to
do it. I notice we are much moreculturally sensitive (or at least we'd
acknowledge the value of such sensitivity) when it comes to communicating to
cultures other than our own.If, for example, it was kind of rude to
give a gift with your left hand, we wouldn't do it, even if the gift was a
Bible and our right arm was sore. If it was rude to come to the point about
anything without first spendingan hour on small talk about our
relatives, over tea, we would be sure and do that. But some SPsflout
NAm cultural norms fairly routinely and (IMO) unnecessarily. --Not that
that's the worst thing you can do, and I'm willing to believe their motives
are mostly pure (see rejected analogy below).
Maybe inBible times it was moreusual for anybody with a
message toshout it out in a public place.Most public shouting in
our cultureis done by ticket-scalpers, circus-barkers, and certain
kinds of political demonstrators. Other public messages are generally
delivered by other means.
Someone might want to use an analogy of the kind, "What if there's a
comet about to hit the earth and you have to tell everybody to head for
higher ground?" But the analogy isn't appropriate.
Debbie
-Original Message-From: Slade Henson
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, January 19,
2005 7:11 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject:
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Au contraire, contraire, preacher! All you have to do is
lead...they follow. You never have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for
cows) a word to them.
Kay, who has raised sheep with Slade
-Original Message-From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin
DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 22.05To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
Can't get em by your zipped lip either!Jeff Powers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
perfect analogy!
- Original Message -
From:
Slade Henson
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005
20:45
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What
is a Christian?
What do you
think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone
astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go
and search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he
finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the
ninety-nine which have not gone astray.
Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't
get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming
at her.
- slade
-Original
Message-From:Kevin DeeganSent:
Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.40Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]
What is a Christian?
I have been easy on Dave this go round.
Would you agree Dave?
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RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
That's an interesting term. -- slade -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamilySent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 17.42Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I define myself, personally, as a "homo-revolted". Izzy
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
So you've been cured of introversion? That's pretty incredible. -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 17.49To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I would not say I was a wild man, but on Dec 12 1972 when the preacher told me about sin I knew that was me. No doubt about it. I was a sinner. Further I would consider myself very much an introvert who was terrified of people. Very quiet. Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What was your life like in the years before Messiah? Were youa "wildman?" -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.37To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Age 50 I was saved on December 12th 1972Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin. So I can better know how to relate to you, would you answer these questions for me? 1. What isyour physical age? 2. How long have you been a believer? -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 14.19To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I only know of him ONLINE.. Hedoes NOT have a Street Preacher's heart. Let me splain it to ya this way, OK? We took a Christian man to a very large "protest march" There were all kinds of Angry people marching for all kinds of Demands This Christian was so scared he sat the whole time by the police line near hundreds of police. When we got home he told wonderous stories and told everyone he was a SP Not sure where his heart was. In fact this man once said to me of a group he was frustrated over "let them burn in hell" I care not for any to go to Hell! Have you ever seen a Street Preacher weep for those caught in sin? I have many times Have you ever seen a Street Preacher PRAY for the lost and Cry out to God, till his eyes were red and snot was coming out his nose? I have many times That is a Street Preachers heart!Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay...what's the difference? Someone else told me the same thing. Are you blessed with knowing Daniel Lee? What is the difference between Street Preacher Daniel Lee sortand a Street Preacher sort? Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 13.37To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Yes I read it. She will never get saved after meeting that idiot. That WAS NOT a STREET PREACHER Sort! It was probably a Dan Lee sort Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
No they didn't! Their words very VERY MUCH culturally oriented and appropriate! -- slade -Original Message- From: David Miller Sent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 18.31 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Debbie wrote: I still believe that cultural appropriateness matters. Somebody forgot to teach Jesus and his disciples this principle. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] Muslim Hate crime against Coptic christians?
I tried getting on PALTALK once, but it didn't work. I'm actually thankful I failed to connect to it.I had mIRC for a while and all the females over 10 years of age in the family were drawn to it like heroine. I hated it and I finally took matters in my own hands and removed it and refused to reinstall it. When I got this new computer, I searched for mIRC, found it, and deleted it before we even logged on the internet the first time. -- slade -Original Message-From: Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 20.08Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Muslim Hate crime against Coptic christians? It is a news story. I find it on point since it supposedly includes PALTALK.com
[TruthTalk] Etzrah vaGer
I found this email in my archives. I thought I would past it here to explain a bit more of my Biblical perspective. It speaks of the Gerim/Strangers who attach themselves to Israel (the Etzrah) I think I translated these from the Hebrew, except he last one from the Greek (don't hold me to this because it's been a long time since I've done this). The best way to translate "Ger" is convert -- [in today's language] a foreigner who becomes One in Messiah with Israel. -- slade Torah echad[One Torah] shall be to the etzrah [homegrown]and to the ger [stranger] who sojourns in your midst. (Shemot/Exodus 12:49) The ger [stranger] who sojourns among you shall be to you as etzrah [homegrown], and you shall love him as yourself; for you were gerim [strangers] inEretzMitzrayim [Land of Egypt]: I am YHVH Eloheinu [The Lord Your God]. (Vayikra/Leviticus 19:34) Mishpat echad[One verdict] shall be for you: as the ger [stranger], as an etzrah [homegrown]; for I am YHVH Eloheinu. (Vayikra/Leviticus 24:22) And if a ger [stranger] sojourns with you, and prepares Pesach[Passover] to YHVH; by the Chukkat [statutes] of the Pesach and byits mishpatu [verdicts] so shall he do; chukkah echad[one statute] shall be for you and the ger [stranger] and the etzrah [homegrown]. (Bemidbar/Numbers 9:14) Echad chukkah [One Statute] shall be for you of the Qahal [congregation] and the ger [stranger] who sojourns; Chukkat olam [an eternal statute] in your generations: as you are, so the ger [stranger] is before YHVH. Torah echad[One Torah] and Mishpat echad[one verdict] shall be for you, and the ger [stranger] who sojourns with you. (Bemidbar/Numbers 15:15-16)Torah Echad[One Torah] shall be to you for the etzrah [homegrown] among Bnai Yisrael[Sons of Israel]and the ger [stranger] sojourning among them for he who acts in error. (Bemidbar/Numbers 15:29)There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female: for all you are one in Messiah Yeshua [Jesus Christ]. (Galatians 3:28)
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Yes. Every day. Meals and theevenings would be spent in the sukkah. The Great Day of the Feast is also called Shemini Atzeret. There is an important water pouring service where water from the pool of Siloam is poured out into a special vessel on the altar. No wonder Yeshua stood and proclaimed as He did! -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 20.27To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Do Jews spend every day of the feast of tabernacles in the temple? Or in Booths? JN 7 in the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple The occurrence we are talking about was a different day JN 7 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried,
RE: [TruthTalk] Looking for a SOFTER GENTLER God?
Good attitude. Ican appreciate that. By the way. I hold the Blood in the highest regard. -- slade -Original Message-From: Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 21.04Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Looking for a SOFTER GENTLER God? Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message-From:Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 18.02Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Looking for a SOFTER GENTLER God?I take Offense at those that despise His Holy Name or trample His Blood under their feetHow about a little Righteous Indignation? Am I guilty of this? How does one trample underfoot His blood? I don't know, has His Blood washed all your sin away? Do you consider His Blood not neccessary? You do not revile the Blood of Jesus? Surely I can not preach on "God loves you" at the Sodom Parade or to God Haters like Marilyn Manson crowd What are you doing there anyway? Wouldn't you call fire and brimstone down instead? -- slade PREACHING I don't make that kind of judgement that is for God to decide. I preach I hope I can retrieve one out of the Fire.
RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!
Helps clarify between John the Dunker and John the Sprinkler. -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Monday, 17 January, 2005 21.33To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!Slade Henson wrote: I wish I could tell you what PTillich's thoughts are, but I don't know who s/he is. The root of my question comes from this basic premise: it'smy understanding that Messiah and the Immerser said, "Repent! The Kingdom of God is at hand" and I think they meant it. It was there for the "taking." -- slade"Immerser". I like that term. Your idea, or is that the original language term?Terry
RE: [TruthTalk] The Nicene Creed and Truthtalk Members
Sorry. I misspoke. There are teaching outlines available. --slade -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamilySent: Monday, 17 January, 2005 22.53Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Nicene Creed and Truthtalk Members Okaywhich thingy do I click on for the concordance??? Izzy From: Slade HensonSent: Monday, January 17, 2005 8:25 PMSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Nicene Creed and Truthtalk Members http://www.immanuelhomepage.org/Downloads.html -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamilySent: Monday, 17 January, 2005 21.01Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Nicene Creed and Truthtalk Members Could you kindly forward the exact link to the esword.com location which you use for a concordance? I get lost when I look for it at esword.com. Thanks, Izzy
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
I think you took it the wrong way, Judy. Kay, who knows Slade very well -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 06.22To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Looks to me like you are trying to moderateKevin Deegan into silence.Kevin has been around for a long time and I'm sure Dave Hansen is used to him by now. It's obvious that Kevin has no personal vendetta or dislike for Dave and my understanding is that it is lovetospeak the truth to someone who is in obvious error - Kevin obviously spends a lot of time researching this stuff and whether or not we are comfortable with what he does, he has his own part in the body and serves the Lord in His own way. His part may not be our part but should we try to cut it off or stifle it? jt On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:33:10 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 1/17/2005 6:46:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A Message for Dave Hansen and Dave Hansen alone Are you offended with posts of this nature that include your name in a disparaging manner? If so, would you be equally offended if your name was not included and the term "The average Mormon" was used? The reason I ask is this:I am not a Mormon, as you know, but I am embarrassed for you. Why? If Kevin Deegan hopes to "convert" you away from Mormonism, it's my opinion that embarrassment and ridicule is not a proper method of evangelism. I can't help believe that the main thrust is to shame you away from TruthTalk. Please let me know your feelings. Privately if necessary. I love you and I [of course] would like you to see the Truth as I see the Truth, but G-d has us standing one two different shores of doctrine at this time. Praying for the best in us all.sladeI am sure glad you are around, even if your ARE one of those eviil Messianics. Very glad. Jd
RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology
Thought you all might find this interesting...I like to go to literal, word for word translations. I have found it helps alot... Quotedfrom The Orthodox Jewish Brit Chadasha: Hisgalus (The Revelation) Perek Yod Beit (Chapter 12) v. 4 And the tail of him drags down a third of the kokhavim (stars) of Shomayim (heaven) and threw them to ha'aretz (the earth), and the Dragon NACHASH (snake) was standing before the ISHA (woman) who was about to give birth, that when she gives birth to the YELED (Child) Seems to me it's literally stars that are thrown down from heaven. Kay
RE: [TruthTalk] Definition of Mormon Please
The Besuras Hageulah According to Lukas (Luke) 23:46 And having cried out with a kol gadol (loud voice), Rebbe Melech HaMoschiach said, Abba, BYADCHA AFKID RUCHI (Into your hands I commit my ruach [spirit]). And this having said, Rebbe, Melech HaMoschiach breathed out his last. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 06.07To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Definition of Mormon Please The good priest appears to be 'missing a part' Lance. No man is complete and entire without a spirit and we know Jesus had one - remember Luke 23:46? He didn't say "Father into your hands I commend my body/soul" did he?jt
RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything
Hahaha...I found that funny. Actually, I've heard of the "Sinless Doctrine"from C. Barr and Daniel Lee. Run, JohnRUN! K -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 11.09To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anythingIn a message dated 1/18/2005 5:20:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 3b. If you (you also David) are testifying to this in your life then, please say so without ambiguity.Yes. That is all I am getting at. I thought it was clear until David sent that post talking about temptation and, essentially, avoiding in clear statement, what he actually taught in that very post. It is clear to me that David believes he has no sin issues (as opposed to temptation matters). Correct me if I am wrong. He sees the work of the Spirit as opposed to sin in much the same way as one end of a magnet is opposed to the other (that's why it is at the other end, of course --- tell me I am not a scientist !) With the Spirit in his life -- sin MUST be repelled. So, there is no sin. His problem is one of Dilemma Doctrine Theology (solely, a term of my creation and, yes, I am proud). When one is going through the DDT's, often strange and delusional matters come to life. Doctor J
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
"Preach the word" doesn't mean yell, scream, demean, or belittle the personreprove, rebuke, and exhort do not mean belittle or demean, either. It's all in the way it's served on the plate, whether it's accepted as something sweet to the taste, or something that is rejected and vomited. You should take it the way Slade asked it. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 11.41To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Oh by the way speak "ALL MY WORDS" means NEGATIVEas well asPOSITIVESeems the correct formula would be TWO THIRDS NEGATIVE 1/3 POSITIVE ANYONE who is all one or the other is a BIBLE PERVERT Here is the PREACHERS commision 2 Tim 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. There are only 2 times to preach IN season Out of season Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "I think you took it the wrong way" Kay what way should we take it? AS for me I think the utimate MEAN spirit is the spirit of the age that does not open it's mouth lest we offend someone. I bet whenDave is cast into a bottomless pit, you may consider you did not do enough for him or the mutitudes of others. Ido not see visions. BUT I do have ONE visionthat the scares the Hell out of me. It breaks my heart. It is a vision of what I will witness in the future.I will witness countless MILLIONS, bound hand and foot and cast into OUTER DARKNESS For many things, I will answer to God someday. Will I also have to answer for Blood on my hands? Ezek 33 8-9 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me. When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Ezek 3 But the house of Israel will not hearken unto thee; for they will not hearken unto me: for all the house of Israel are impudent and hardhearted. Behold, I have made thy face strong against their faces, and thy forehead strong against their foreheads. As an adamant harder than flint have I made thy forehead: fear them not, neither be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house. Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, all my words that I shall speak unto thee receive in thine heart, and hear with thine ears. And go, get thee to them of the captivity, unto the children of thy people, and speak unto them, and tell them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear.Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me. When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul. Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then Kay please help me to understand what this is about because to me it makes no sense at all. We all know who the Mormons are so what would be the point in using the term "the average Mormon" people can be just as mean in veiled ways if this is their intent. jt On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 06:45:57 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think you took it the wrong way, Judy. Kay, who knows Slade very well From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Looks to me like you are trying to moderateKevin Deegan into silence.Kevin has been around for a long time and I'm sure Dave Hansen is used to him by now
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Sure there is...but the delivery is Divine. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 12.23To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Never any thing negative preached in the old testament or new according to you?Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Preach the word" doesn't mean yell, scream, demean, or belittle the personreprove, rebuke, and exhort do not mean belittle or demean, either. It's all in the way it's served on the plate, whether it's accepted as something sweet to the taste, or something that is rejected and vomited. You should take it the way Slade asked it. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 11.41To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Oh by the way speak "ALL MY WORDS" means NEGATIVEas well asPOSITIVESeems the correct formula would be TWO THIRDS NEGATIVE 1/3 POSITIVE ANYONE who is all one or the other is a BIBLE PERVERT Here is the PREACHERS commision 2 Tim 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. There are only 2 times to preach IN season Out of season Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "I think you took it the wrong way" Kay what way should we take it? AS for me I think the utimate MEAN spirit is the spirit of the age that does not open it's mouth lest we offend someone. I bet whenDave is cast into a bottomless pit, you may consider you did not do enough for him or the mutitudes of others. Ido not see visions. BUT I do have ONE visionthat the scares the Hell out of me. It breaks my heart. It is a vision of what I will witness in the future.I will witness countless MILLIONS, bound hand and foot and cast into OUTER DARKNESS For many things, I will answer to God someday. Will I also have to answer for Blood on my hands? Ezek 33 8-9 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me. When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Ezek 3 But the house of Israel will not hearken unto thee; for they will not hearken unto me: for all the house of Israel are impudent and hardhearted. Behold, I have made thy face strong against their faces, and thy forehead strong against their foreheads. As an adamant harder than flint have I made thy forehead: fear them not, neither be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house. Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, all my words that I shall speak unto thee receive in thine heart, and hear with thine ears. And go, get thee to them of the captivity, unto the children of thy people, and speak unto them, and tell them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear.Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me. When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul. Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then Kay please help me to understand what this is about b
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Whatever, Kevin...but you catch more flies with honey. Didn't you read the testimony I shared about Cheryl? It was a street preacher sort who damaged her so deeply that she blamed God and would have nothing to do with Him. She thought he was nuts, first of all, and second of all didn't want anything to do with a God who had people like that "working" for Him. Have you ever ASKED anyonegawking ata "street preacher" what they really think? Might try it sometime...you might be amazed. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 12.39To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? "Preach the word" doesn't mean yell, scream, demean, or belittle the personreprove, rebuke, and exhort do not mean belittle or demean, either. It's all in the way it's served on the plate, whether it's accepted as something sweet to the taste, or something that is rejected and vomited. Not so ONEmessage sent by Paul 2 different RESPONSES 2 Co 2:16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?What made the difference? The heart condition For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness When Jesus "stood at the Feast and CRIED" John 7:37 did he CRY- eg. go boo whoo? Cry aloud like a trumpet, as commanded by Scripture? "I love those that thunder out the Word, the christian world is in a deep sleep. Nothing but a loud voice can awaken them out of it" Whitefield Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Preach the word" doesn't mean yell, scream, demean, or belittle the personreprove, rebuke, and exhort do not mean belittle or demean, either. It's all in the way it's served on the plate, whether it's accepted as something sweet to the taste, or something that is rejected and vomited. You should take it the way Slade asked it. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 11.41To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Oh by the way speak "ALL MY WORDS" means NEGATIVEas well asPOSITIVESeems the correct formula would be TWO THIRDS NEGATIVE 1/3 POSITIVE ANYONE who is all one or the other is a BIBLE PERVERT Here is the PREACHERS commision 2 Tim 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. There are only 2 times to preach IN season Out of season Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "I think you took it the wrong way" Kay what way should we take it? AS for me I think the utimate MEAN spirit is the spirit of the age that does not open it's mouth lest we offend someone. I bet whenDave is cast into a bottomless pit, you may consider you did not do enough for him or the mutitudes of others. Ido not see visions. BUT I do have ONE visionthat the scares the Hell out of me. It breaks my heart. It is a vision of what I will witness in the future.I will witness countless MILLIONS, bound hand and foot and cast into OUTER DARKNESS For many things, I will answer to God someday. Will I also have to answer for Blood on my hands? Ezek 33 8-9 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me. When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Ezek 3 But the house of Israel will not hearken unto thee; for they will not hearken unto me: for all the house of Israel are impudent and hardhearted. Behold, I have made thy face strong against their faces, and thy forehead strong against their foreheads. As an adamant harder than flint have I made thy forehead: fear them not, neither be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house. Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, all my words that I shall speak unto thee receive in thine heart, and hear with thine ears. And go, get thee to them of the captivity, unto the children of thy people, and speak unto them, and tell them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; whether th
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Okay...what's the difference? Someone else told me the same thing. Are you blessed with knowing Daniel Lee? What is the difference between Street Preacher Daniel Lee sortand a Street Preacher sort? Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 13.37To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Yes I read it. She will never get saved after meeting that idiot. That WAS NOT a STREET PREACHER Sort! It was probably a Dan Lee sort
RE: [TruthTalk] Greek Dualism
Huh? What are you trying to say, David? -- slade -Original Message- From: David Miller Sent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 10.49 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Dualism Terry wrote: On the cross, Jesus indeed gave up His spirit, and His body was left to be wrapped in aloes and buried. But later, when He ascended, He went in one peice. You are pointing something out here that fits real well with Greek Dualism, but the Sadducean Hebraic Mindset objects -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything
Is this considered an ad hominem? "My belief is thatyou are in a time warp, stuck in your cosmic incarnation while DavidM, myself and others have moved on to the resurrection" Or do we allow the lawyers say, "it is not an ad hominem because Judy used the term "My belief is?" -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 08.00To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything FWIW Lance, My belief is thatyou are in a time warp, stuck in your cosmic incarnation while DavidM, myself and others have moved on to the resurrection. It is the power that emanates from the resurrection that enables a believer to be free from sin past, the power of sin present, and the future consequence for sin. This is not just static theology - it's a living way that needs to be walked in. jt On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:34:58 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jt asks:'don't you believe it is in the realm of possibility for David Miller?' NO I DO NOT! However, it could well be that the text, here and elsewhere, yourself, and David Miller are in possession of an 'objective truth' that eludes me. From: Judy Taylor Thank you for those thoughts Lance. I use "from what I understand" in this instance because I am dealing with ppl in different stages of spiritual growth who may not see things as I see them. However, I do believe in such a thing as objective truth. I do believe that there is a right and a wrong, a good and an evil. Everything is not "subjective" - Paul the apostle told the people at Corinth the most wicked city in the known world to "awake to righteousness and sin not" - Is this just a play onwords? Was he telling them to do something that was impossible? If the Corinthians were able to do this don't you believe it is in the realm of possibility for David Miller? You are wrong about every believer consciously and actively sinning daily in thought, word, and deed; if this is what is going on then these people (even those who profess to be following Christ) are deceived ppl who are walking in unbelief. jt On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 06:49:07 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jt says: 'from what I understand David to say' As everyone has access to what David has 'said', IMO this is not the difficulty that John has. Even you, Judy, have had to qualify by uttering 'from what I understand' thus indicating that you just might be incorrect. I'd posit a couple of thoughts on this and, related matters: 1. Implicit in every utterance is some version of:'as I see it', in my opinion,'from what I understand of the text before me' 2. All speaking of anything is partial and provisional. 3. David himself may not know how to answer John's question with the sort of clarity John wants. We did have this discussion some time ago with, as I recall, the same outcome. 4. David just might consider his approximation of an answer the 'way of humility'. 5. IMO, IFF David is 'one of us' then, he consciously, actively, sins daily in thought, word and deed. I am, by inference, saying the same thing of every believer/non-believer in the cosmos. From: Judy Taylor Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything John, some people are able to separate themselves. From what I understand David to sayhe still gets around in a flesh body and he has the same opportunity to sin every day as the rest of us both physically and emotionally. Are you baiting him? Is this some kind of public humiliation? On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:24:51 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't know why I have to choke this out of David, when his postings have been very clear on the subject to everyone except Judy. Here is the question and we can start the discussion from this:David Miller,. do you have sin in your life to any degree? Consider sins of omission (knowing to do right but not taking the time or energy to do it); event sins (such as murder, angry words, adultery this is the "biblical sin" usually referenced in the Message); sins of the character (pride, selfishness, conceit,
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
I appreciate the love you have for Kevin Deegan and I did consider the risk of appearing to want to drownKevin' s voice. This was not the case. My love for Dave Hansen prompted the voice of concern you should have heard inmy post. -- slade -Original Message-From: Judy TaylorSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 06.22 Looks to me like you are trying to moderateKevin Deegan into silence.Kevin has been around for a long time and I'm sure Dave Hansen is used to him by now. It's obvious that Kevin has no personal vendetta or dislike for Dave and my understanding is that it is lovetospeak the truth to someone who is in obvious error - Kevin obviously spends a lot of time researching this stuff and whether or not we are comfortable with what he does, he has his own part in the body and serves the Lord in His own way. His part may not be our part but should we try to cut it off or stifle it? jt
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Perhaps we need to consider who gets the preaching and whogets the reprove/rebuke/exhort. Perhaps two different groups? -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 13.12To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? 2 Tim 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. There are only 2 times to preach IN season Out of season Very true Kevin. However I dont read the word Bludgeon in there. We cannot bludgeon anyone into the kingdom. A rebuke and a reproof and exhortation can be done with dignity and firmnessbut doesnt always have to be harsh. Your heart is in the right place. Check the fruit of your efforts to see if they are working now and then. Maybe they are; I dont know. I just know that DaveH has chosen his path, and I cant reason or scream him out of it. Some things are between him and his conscience. Im ready to talk if/when he is ready, but cant barge in against his will. Izzy
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
He rebuked some. Who did He rebuke? 1 -- Those within the fold who were acting as they shouldn't? --or-- 2 --Those outside who were acting as they shouldn't? -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 14.07To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? KAY SAID: "Preach the word" doesn't mean yell, scream, demean, or belittle the personreprove, rebuke, and exhort do not mean belittle or demean, either. It's all in the way it's served on the plate, whether it's accepted as something sweet to the taste, or something that is rejected and vomited. QUESTION: Did Jesus ever demean or belittle anyone? __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Kevin. So I can better know how to relate to you, would you answer these questions for me? 1. What isyour physical age? 2. How long have you been a believer? -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 14.19To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I only know of him ONLINE.. Hedoes NOT have a Street Preacher's heart. Let me splain it to ya this way, OK? We took a Christian man to a very large "protest march" There were all kinds of Angry people marching for all kinds of Demands This Christian was so scared he sat the whole time by the police line near hundreds of police. When we got home he told wonderous stories and told everyone he was a SP Not sure where his heart was. In fact this man once said to me of a group he was frustrated over "let them burn in hell" I care not for any to go to Hell! Have you ever seen a Street Preacher weep for those caught in sin? I have many times Have you ever seen a Street Preacher PRAY for the lost and Cry out to God, till his eyes were red and snot was coming out his nose? I have many times That is a Street Preachers heart!Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay...what's the difference? Someone else told me the same thing. Are you blessed with knowing Daniel Lee? What is the difference between Street Preacher Daniel Lee sortand a Street Preacher sort? Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 13.37To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Yes I read it. She will never get saved after meeting that idiot. That WAS NOT a STREET PREACHER Sort! It was probably a Dan Lee sort Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less.
RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology
I said literally STARS. Who/what is the Dragon/snakehint: serpent. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 09.39To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology Thought you all might find this interesting...I like to go to literal, word for word translations. I have found it helps alot... Quotedfrom The Orthodox Jewish Brit Chadasha: Hisgalus (The Revelation) Perek Yod Beit (Chapter 12) v. 4 And the tail of him drags down a third of the kokhavim (stars) of Shomayim (heaven) and threw them to ha'aretz (the earth), and the Dragon NACHASH (snake) was standing before the ISHA (woman) who was about to give birth, that when she gives birth to the YELED (Child) Seems to me it's literally stars that are thrown down from heaven. Kay By a literal dragon/snake? I think not. Izzy
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Which was a derogatory statement, correct? Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 19.12To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I was just curious, since the BOM has so many ANACHRONISTIC errors about Christ in it. NO, how could they be Christians before Christ came into the world? Acts 11:26 And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Messiah neither demeaned nor belittled. To do so is sin. -- slade -Original Message-From: Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.56Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? The original question REMAINS:Did Christ deman or belittle?
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Yes, some Christians need rebuke. I can think of several in need of a good spanking. So do some Jewish people. This is the main purpose of the Prophetic Office -- to get G-d's people back in line. -- slade -Original Message-From: Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.39 Do Christians ever need rebuke?
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
I believe you missed Dave's point. The Street Preachers are there to rid the adherents of their false doctrine, but what are they doing?? The Street Preachers are causing them to be even MORE adherent! -- slade -Original Message- From: David Miller Sent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.44 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Kevin has a point here, Dave. If the Street Preachers are driving the LDS members closer together, shouldn't you be happy about that? Maybe the LDS organization should be paying the Street Preachers to come to your conferences. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray. Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming at her. - slade -Original Message-From:Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.40Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I have been easy on Dave this go round. Would you agree Dave?
RE: [TruthTalk] Greek Dualism
NOW I understand David's post. The use of the word "objects" lost me (the noun vs. verb thing). 1 -- JUDYT: Why do you think it's not a Hellenistic thought, Judy. 2 -- DAVIDM: Why do you, David Miller,think it's a "Sadducean" Hebraic mindset when the Tzedukim (aka the minim in early Rabbinic literature) lost their power base in 70CE and died out within a generation? -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 20.22To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Dualism On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:48:37 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Terry wrote:On the cross, Jesus indeed gave up His spirit,and His body was left to be wrapped in aloesand buried. But later, when He ascended,He went in one peice.You are pointing something out here that fits real well with GreekDualism, but the Sadducean Hebraic Mindset objects.Peace be with you.David Miller. jt: Why would we need the Sadducean Hebraic Mindset to define truth for us - weren't they the ones who did not believe in the resurrection? I heard a preacher say once"That's why they were sad-u-cee" .. Neither is this Greek dualism. What's wrong with just saying what the scriptures say? judyt
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
The comment below gives me an opportunity to state what has been on my mind for a while. Why does TruthTalk succeed and why doesn't TruthTalk grow? It's all in the same word: antagonism. We succeed because we bicker and wrestle each other over the less-weightier things of Scripture. If we were to suddenly agree on all points, one by one, we would leave the list. We also do not grow because we bicker and wrestle each other over the less-weightier things of Scripture. --slade -Original Message-From: Dave HansenSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 00.24Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? but G-d has us standing one two different shores of doctrine at this time.DAVEH: I don't see that as a big problem for this type of forum at all. Unfortunately, some do. While the divide between us seems great at this time, I wonder if in the grand scheme of the Lord's Gospel, the fences we build on earth will be recognizable once we are on the other side of the veil. So...maybe while we are here on earth, wouldn't it be nice if we could lower those fences enough to peek over on the other side occasionally? It seems to me that TT is a great place where those with diverse opinions and beliefs can talk about our differences over those fences without letting friction heat the fuse of spiritual destruction to the point of ignition. But...it does require a little effort from each one of us.
RE: [TruthTalk] Definition of Mormon Please *REPRIMAND*
*REPRIMAND* Your comments below can only be called MEAN. -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Sunday, 16 January, 2005 22.28To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Definition of Mormon Please He's already said he doesn't believe EVERYTHING his church may have as doctrine. So he is Not a Christian and now we find out he is not Everything a Mormon ought to be. I guess that puts him in Limbo He is not Christian he is not Mormon He pratcies DaveISM!
RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2 *REPRIMAND*
I understand you have a hatred to Mormonism, but do yourself a favor and don't let that splash onto the Mormon themselves. -- slade -Original Message-From: Kevin DeeganSent: Sunday, 16 January, 2005 22.48Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2 Cut the fables
RE: [TruthTalk] Reprimanded Posts
Unfortunately, David, you allowed Izzy to make a precedence on another *reprimanded* thread without repercussions and this occurred BEFORE your posted the following. Some might [read: have] accused you of favoritism. --slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David MillerSent: Monday, 17 January, 2005 01.16To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Moderators NowAs I explained in an earlier post, in regards to TruthTalk, I am asking allmembers not to discuss the reprimands of the moderators on the list. If youhave some concern, discuss them off the list. You can discuss it publiclyall you want, but not on this list. Think of it like a Judge making adecision in court. You might publicly discuss his decision all you like,but you are not going to discuss it that way in his courtroom once the caseis over. Start your own list or your own courtesy copy thread if you wantto have your say about specific Reprimands.David MillerTruthTalk Moderator -Original Message-From: David MillerSent: Sunday, 16 January, 2005 23.48Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Moderators Now *REPRIMAND*Please do not reply to posts that have *REPRIMAND* in the subject line.Slade issued a reprimand to me, and two other people have posted replies toit, creating another thread. Slade is a moderator and his judgment will berespected. If he says that I attacked Jeff personally with that commentabout squealing, then I have crossed the line and I must adjust my speech tobe less combative. There should be no discussion about it except in privateIF YOU MUST. Please consider just letting it be. As for me, I will becleaning up my language and my approach. My apologies to Jeff for speakinginappropriately.Peace be with you.David Miller.
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Not necessarily only couples who are having problems. It could be couples who are betrothed...pre-marital counseling. It could be a problem with an in-law; the couple are on the same page with not knowing how to deal with the in-law and are seeking guidance from the counselor. It could be a couple having fertility problems, or dealing with the loss of a child or other family member. The couple may not be having problems with each other, but in dealing with their different issues. Kay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Monday, 17 January, 2005 00.15 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? John wrote: I have been a pastoral counselor for, oh, maybe 35 years. I have never met a single couple who would disagree with what I said in my post. Not a one. LOL. Come on, John, think about it. What kind of couples come for pastoral counseling? Couples who are having problems. I'm not surprised that they would all agree with you that family members are disunified in speech. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] Torah Observance
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David MillerSent: Sunday, 16 January, 2005 23.23To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Torah ObservanceSarcastic lawyer? I'm not that smart, nor am I sarcastic. You are readingway too much into my question. I believe in the Torah and in keeping theTorah. Different people keep it in different ways, and I am trying tounderstand her brand of Messianic Torah observance. She had already thoughtit odd that I ask her why she did not keep the sacrifices that the Torahexpects. Then in answering this question, she indicated that she did notsleep in a booth built in the way that Torah says, because of her children,but that she did build a booth like Torah tells us to do. I have probably20 more questions that I would love to follow up with (such as, why notbuild the booth with walls, or build a suitable crib or kid area),Good questions. The booth is an open type building.Have you ever seen a Sukkah? Here is a link to what a typical Sukkah looks like. Our oldest two children do sleep in the Sukkah if they choose to. You also have to consider weather conditions. If you get rain during Sukkot, it's a blessing. It can be cold in different parts of the country...especially in October. We've had VERY cold times...not a problem for us...we have two wood stoves in our tent and therefore have heat. It's not uncommon for us to have most of the fellow Sukkoteers drift into our tent during the night to keep warm, or due to their own tents being damp (sometimes wet) from the rains. Remember, also, you are out in the "wilderness". This is a temporary dwelling, not a mansion with all the amenities. http://www.jewfaq.org/holiday5.htm#Sukkah but Ifind the Messianics on the list so touchy concerning questions about Torahobservance that I have decided to keep my questions to myself. I do not consider myself touchy regarding our Observance. I believe I've been Observant long enough to know most of the arguments concerning it. It is a realshame that we cannot love each other enough to ask sincere questions abouthow we each keep the Torah. How do you keep Torah? I have a very sincere interest in Messianicmethods of Torah observance. I even took time to try and meet with Kay andSlade in person, and I hope to spend more time with them in the future. Yes, you did. Do you know any other Messi's? When would you like to attend our synagogue? I would highly suggest understanding what is going on there before you attend. Unfortunately, the distrust and suspicion of one another is sad. It hindersrelationship. I would say that it's slightly different than distrust and suspicion. For me, I try to explain things to certain people, or to get them to THINK about what they're saying...I will even type slowly for them :) thinking they may get it, or give it in a different way. When they still can't figure it out, I give up. I'll expand on this by copying a drash in the next post Kay
RE: [TruthTalk] On Understanding Messianic Judaism
Jacob's Vision At the end of the school day, the children came and sat on the flour sacks. Jacob would sit across from the children, and they would talk. As Jacob told his stories, he would from time to time shut his eyes. It was as if he was remembering what to say, not by searching through his mind, but by remembering what he saw. Somewhere, he had a perfect picture, and the words he spoke were a description of this vision. "What do you see when you shut your eyes, Jacob?" asked a little girl. "Well," Jacob said, "once upon a time there was a man who had a vision and began pursuing it. "Two others saw that the first man had a vision and began following him. "In time, the children of those who followed asked their parents to describe what they saw. "But what their parents described appeared to be the coattails of the man in front of them. "When the children heard this, they turned from their parents' vision, saying it was not worthy of pursuit." Jacob leaned toward the little girl that had asked the question. "So what do we discover from this story?" The children were quiet. "I'll tell you," said Jacob. "We discover children who deny what they have never experienced. "We discover parents who believe in what they have never experienced. "And, form this, we discover the question is not 'What do I see when I shut my eyes' but 'What do you see when you open yours?'"--Excerpt from Jacob the Bakerby Noah ben Shea
RE: [TruthTalk] God Fearers
TheGentiles that embraced Judaism up to but excluding circumcision were called God fearers. Those who were circumcised were called Gerim [i.e Converts]. This nomenclature transferred over to the Messianic Branch of Judaism. --slade Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Monday, 17 January, 2005 16.40To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] God Fearers Judy Taylor wrote: I enjoy God's Word - and learning the fear of the Lord is profitable all around: The fear of the Lord is a fountain of life Prov 14:27 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom Prov 9:10 The fear of the Lord will prolong your days Prov 10:27 The fear of the Lord is to hate evil Prov 8:13 (so one can speak as the oracles of God) =Something sticks in my mind that the early Christians were called "God Fearers"Anyone have any input on that?Terry
RE: [TruthTalk] God Fearers
That's what you are. K. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Monday, 17 January, 2005 18.08To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] God Fearers = Something sticks in my mind that the early Christians were called "God Fearers"Anyone have any input on that?Terry Thats what we should all still be today. Izzy
RE: [TruthTalk] Two Moderators Now
Hello, my friend!!! Let's discuss a few points, ok? (By the way, I don't intend to get side tracked with others' posts. As far as I'm concerned, I'll be answering only you.) First of all, you rightly mentioned the veil was torn. Which veil was torn and how do we know this? I know this sounds like a trick question, but it isn't. The reason I ask is because some people do not know there are actually two veils. Second, why did G-d Himself remove this aspect? Is it because it's no longer necessary, or could it be simply a punishment for lashon hara? The Talmud even speaks on the destruction of the Temple as punishment from G-d because we forgot how to show respect for those with differing opinions. This should perk your ears in regards to the happenings on TruthTalk. Third, you mentioned the Lord's Supper is a vicarious sacrifice. How so? Fourth, I *LOVE* the out of the mouth of the Master comment. Well said! -- slade -Original Message- From: Gregory A. Hession J.D. Sent: Monday, 17 January, 2005 16.47 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Moderators Now Ah, but Jeff, there is not only no temple, but the veil was torn in the temple. Did not G-d himself remove this aspect of the sacrificial law, so that we would no longer perform those sacrifices under the new covenant? The new covenant has a new and vicarious sacrifice in the Lord's supper, by command of the Messiah Himself. A new command, a new covenant, out of the mouth of the master. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!
Hello again, Debbie. I enjoyed your thoughts here. Your noncompartmentalization is Hebraic in context. Pray tell... what is your background or what have you been exposed to recently? -- slade -Original Message-From: Debbie SawczakSent: Monday, 17 January, 2005 17.29Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Good News! Hi Judy, let me paraphrase/periphrase "there is no sacred vs profane", as that is a dualism perhaps unfamiliar to you, which uses the word "profane" differently than the texts you mention below."There is no sacred vs profane"means that life is not divided into two compartments, a spiritual/religious/faithy/Bibley compartment on the one hand and everything else on the other. It means there is no part of life which is not affected by our relationship with God; there is no sphere of activity over which he does not have the supreme claim, or to which he is not relevant.
RE: [TruthTalk] The Nicene Creed and Truthtalk Members
For more information on the early creeds and some commentary on them, I refer you to the following sight: http://www.immanuelhomepage.org/Downloads.html. Also, for those who use e-sword as their Bible program, there are some TOP files that you may find interesting... especially if you like someone named John Piper. --slade
RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!
Does this mean you don't believe in the Kingdom of God: the presence of the PRESENT in Christ? -Original Message-From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, 17 January, 2005 21.00Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News! arrays/displaysone subtle (postOT)theme (retrospectvly)abt the KoG: the presence of the future in Christ
RE: [TruthTalk] The Nicene Creed and Truthtalk Members
http://www.immanuelhomepage.org/Downloads.html -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamilySent: Monday, 17 January, 2005 21.01Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Nicene Creed and Truthtalk Members Could you kindly forward the exact link to the esword.com location which you use for a concordance? I get lost when I look for it at esword.com. Thanks, Izzy
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
A Message for Dave Hansen and Dave Hansen alone Are you offended with posts of this nature that include your name in a disparaging manner? If so, would you be equally offended if your name was not included and the term "The average Mormon" was used? The reason I ask is this: I am not a Mormon, as you know, but I am embarrassed for you. Why? If Kevin Deegan hopes to "convert" you away from Mormonism, it's my opinion that embarrassment and ridicule is not aproper method of evangelism. I can't help believe that the main thrust is to shame you away from TruthTalk. Please let me know your feelings. Privately if necessary. I love you and I [of course] would like you to see the Truth as I see the Truth, but G-d has us standing one two different shores of doctrine at this time. Praying for the best in us all. slade -Original Message-From: Kevin DeeganSent: Monday, 17 January, 2005 21.18Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Dave must adhere to "all the good" and choose the right, else he is not a True Mormon Dave has testified that he follows the Prophet Dave is not a spokesman for the church Since Dave claims to be part of the Mormon Church he must follow the principles below as to the prophet
