Re: [TruthTalk] God's Judgment
Looks like neither of you have read the prophets, or books in the Bible such as Lamentations where God's own ppl are literally "judged by fire" Yes He is merciful and longsuffering but even God haslimits; also we are to adjust to His understanding gentlemen since we are the ones in need ofa new heart and a renewed mind; He has already done all He is going to do. Todays gospel? Repent or perish On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 04:46:04 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It appears there are two judges -- The Judge and The Impostor. If judgment has to do with bringing ppl into the relationship [and such is the only judgment presented to the modern day saint], the judgment is easily assessed. Drive them [the ppl] away and the judgment is not of God. "Impostor" is the only remaining conclusion.jd From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] the Judge himself actually judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as herenders truth truthfully among us who know him--the stark contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:) (in this context:) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:24:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. the Moderator smugly postures himself the same way as you do,Bro; e.g.: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "..not to [separate the two G]would make one prone to error. Error #2" On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:12:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. you copied and pasted...from another site without actually going to it ^^^ On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:05:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: intrinsically, below, [ above]you've postured yourself to(be) Judge [in public insinuating what you want ppl to think--which in truth is not'witholding judgement'] On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have withheld judgment || - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. then, like the Moderator,you also Judge ppl in yourfinitudewithin v narrow human limits (with perfection, of course) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:12:57 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I did not understand, and still don't understand, is why Gary did not post the other information on that page.
Re: [TruthTalk] God's Judgment
Ah, the Good News -- and it is so different from the Old Law !! Wow!! You have no idea which is Old Testament and which is New Testament. You do not see the Cross as that which ends the Law through fulfillmentand Begins the administration of Grace apart from Law (there has always been grace, of course.) Any who are addicted to some habit of sin before you get to them is clearly lost afterwards.You, my dear, are the new Judyizer !! jd -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Looks like neither of you have read the prophets, or books in the Bible such as Lamentations where God's own ppl are literally "judged by fire" Yes He is merciful and longsuffering but even God haslimits; also we are to adjust to His understanding gentlemen since we are the ones in need ofa new heart and a renewed mind; He has already done all He is going to do. Todays gospel? Repent or perish On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 04:46:04 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It appears there are two judges -- The Judge and The Impostor. If judgment has to do with bringing ppl into the relationship [and such is the only judgment presented to the modern day saint], the judgment is easily assessed. Drive them [the ppl] away and the judgment is not of God. "Impostor" is the only remaining conclusion.jd From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] the Judge himself actually judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as herenders truth truthfully among us who know him--the stark contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:) (in this context:) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:24:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. the Moderator smugly postures himself the same way as you do,Bro; e.g.: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "..not to [separate the two G]would make one prone to error. Error #2" On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:12:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. you copied and pasted...from another site without actually going to it ^^^ On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:05:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: intrinsically, below, [ above]you've postured yourself to(be) Judge [in public insinuating what you want ppl to think--which in truth is not'witholding judgement'] On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have withheld judgment || - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. then, like the Moderator,you also Judge ppl in yourfinitudewithin v narrow human limits (with perfection, of course) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:12:57 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I did not understand, and still don't understand, is why Gary did not post the other information on that page.
Re: [TruthTalk] God's Judgment
As different as the old God is from your own specialized new god JD Why is His Law which is holy, just, and good, such a threat to you? I find this a curiosity. Since God's law reflects His nature and character. How can one profess to love Him and ATST reject His Word? You explain. The Words Jesus spoke were the Father's. The standard for a new covenant believer is higher than that of the scribes and pharisees under the Law - So your doctrine of "sin covering grace" will not stand under scrutiny JD. Jesus fulfilled God's Law and we are also to fulfill it through Him .. and this is not - He does it and we get the credit while still in our mess. It is He gave us the example and we follow "in His steps" to do likewise. judyt On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:06:12 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, the Good News -- and it is so different from the Old Law !! Wow!! You have no idea which is Old Testament and which is New Testament. You do not see the Cross as that which ends the Law through fulfillmentand Begins the administration of Grace apart from Law (there has always been grace, of course.) Any who are addicted to some habit of sin before you get to them is clearly lost afterwards.You, my dear, are the new Judyizer !! jd From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Looks like neither of you have read the prophets, or books in the Bible such as Lamentations where God's own ppl are literally "judged by fire" Yes He is merciful and longsuffering but even God haslimits; also we are to adjust to His understanding gentlemen since we are the ones in need ofa new heart and a renewed mind; He has already done all He is going to do. Todays gospel? Repent or perish On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 04:46:04 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It appears there are two judges -- The Judge and The Impostor. If judgment has to do with bringing ppl into the relationship [and such is the only judgment presented to the modern day saint], the judgment is easily assessed. Drive them [the ppl] away and the judgment is not of God. "Impostor" is the only remaining conclusion.jd From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] the Judge himself actually judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as herenders truth truthfully among us who know him--the stark contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:) (in this context:) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:24:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. the Moderator smugly postures himself the same way as you do,Bro; e.g.: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "..not to [separate the two G]would make one prone to error. Error #2" On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:12:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. you copied and pasted...from another site without actually going to it ^^^ On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:05:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: intrinsically, below, [ above]you've postured yourself to(be) Judge [in public insinuating what you want ppl to think--which in truth is not'witholding judgement'] On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have withheld judgment || - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. then, like the Moderator,you also Judge ppl in yourfinitudewithin v narrow human limits (with perfection, of course)
Re: [TruthTalk] God's Judgment
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] As different as the old God is from your own specialized new god JD Why is His Law which is holy, just, and good, such a threat to you? I find this a curiosity. Since God's law reflects His nature and character. How can one profess to love Him and ATST reject His Word? You explain. The Words Jesus spoke were the Father's. The standard for a new covenant believer is higher than that of the scribes and pharisees under the Law - So your doctrine of sin covering grace will not stand under scrutiny JD. Jesus fulfilled God's Law and we are also to fulfill it through Him .. and this is not - He does it and we get the credit while still in our mess. It is He gave us the example and we follow in His steps to do likewise. judyt On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:06:12 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, the Good News -- and it is so different from the Old Law !! Wow!! You have no idea which is Old Testament and which is New Testament. You do not see the Cross as that which ends the Law through fulfillment and Begins the administration of Grace apart from Law (there has always been grace, of course.) Any who are addicted to some habit of sin before you get to them is clearly lost afterwards. You, my dear, are the new Judyizer !! jd From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Looks like neither of you have read the prophets, or books in the Bible such as Lamentations where God's own ppl are literally judged by fire Yes He is merciful and longsuffering but even God has limits; also we are to adjust to His understanding gentlemen since we are the ones in need of a new heart and a renewed mind; He has already done all He is going to do. Todays gospel? Repent or perish On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 04:46:04 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It appears there are two judges -- The Judge and The Impostor. If judgment has to do with bringing ppl into the relationship [and such is the only judgment presented to the modern day saint] , the judgment is easily assessed. Drive them [the ppl] away and the judgment is not of God. Impostor is the only remaining conclusion. jd From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] the Judge himself actually judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as he renders truth truthfully among us who know him--the stark contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:) (in this context:) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:24:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. the Moderator smugly postures himself the same way as you do, Bro; e.g.: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..not to [separate the two G] would make one prone to error. Error #2 On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:12:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. you copied and pasted...from another site without actually going to it ^^^ On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:05:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: intrinsically, below, [ above] you've postured yourself to (be) Judge [in public insinuating what you want ppl to think--which in truth is not 'witholding judgement'] On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500 David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have withheld judgment || - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. then, like the Moderator, you also Judge ppl in your finitude within v narrow human limits (with perfection, of course) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:12:57 -0500 David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I did not understand, and still don't understand, is why Gary did not post the other information on that page. ---BeginMessage--- As different as the old God is from your own specialized new god JD Why is His Law which is holy, just, and good, such a threat to you? I find this a curiosity. Since God's law reflects His nature and character. How can one profess to love Him and ATST reject His Word? You explain. The Words Jesus spoke were the Father's. The standard for a new covenant believer is higher than that of the scribes and pharisees under the Law - So your doctrine of "sin covering grace" will not stand under scrutiny JD. Jesus fulfilled God's Law and we are also to fulfill it through Him .. and this is not - He does it and we get the credit while still in our mess. It is He gave us the example and we follow "in His steps" to do likewise. judyt On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:06:12 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, the Good News -- and it is so different from the Old Law !! Wow!!
Re: [TruthTalk] God's Judgment
Jesus fulfilled God's Law and we are also to fulfill it through Him .. and this is not - He does it and we get the credit while still in our mess. It is He gave us the example and we follow "in His steps" to do likewise. judyt Really !! This will make no difference to you, I am sure, but it does to me: I Cor 1:30 "But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us widom from God -- AND righteousness AND sancitification AND redemption." HE is all of this FOR US. In Eph 2:15-16 we are told that the reconciliation accomplished in Christ ABOLISHED the enmity that is the law of commandments contained in the ordances. This is the same "Law of Moses" that Peter tells the council at Jerusalem is a burden greater than any could bear !! (Acts 15:5-11). The old covenant is declared to be [already] OBSOLETE and passing away in Heb 8:13. And when did this happen? AT THE CROSS (Heb 9:15.). Christ lived and died under the law of His Father. We live and die under the law of Christ. A Spirit filled Paul writes to a Spirit filled Christian church and argues that if righteousness came by Spirit filled folk obeying the law, then Christ died needlessly (Gal 2:21.) You and those on this forum who buy into your doctrine can offer no hope to those addicted to sin (aren't we all !!!??) because you have no clue as to the difference between law and grace. When you guys get through with your "explanation," THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE !! -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] As different as the old God is from your own specialized new god JD Why is His Law which is holy, just, and good, such a threat to you? I find this a curiosity. Since God's law reflects His nature and character. How can one profess to love Him and ATST reject His Word? You explain. The Words Jesus spoke were the Father's. The standard for a new covenant believer is higher than that of the scribes and pharisees under the Law - So your doctrine of "sin covering grace" will not stand under scrutiny JD. Jesus fulfilled God's Law and we are also to fulfill it through Him .. and this is not - He does it and we get the credit while still in our mess. It is He gave us the example and we follow "in His steps" to do likewise. judyt On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:06:12 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, the Good News -- and it is so different from the Old Law !! Wow!! You have no idea which is Old Testament and which is New Testament. You do not see the Cross as that which ends the Law through fulfillmentand Begins the administration of Grace apart from Law (there has always been grace, of course.) Any who are addicted to some habit of sin before you get to them is clearly lost afterwards.You, my dear, are the new Judyizer !! jd From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Looks like neither of you have read the prophets, or books in the Bible such as Lamentations where God's own ppl are literally "judged by fire" Yes He is merciful and longsuffering but even God haslimits; also we are to adjust to His understanding gentlemen since we are the ones in need ofa new heart and a renewed mind; He has already done all He is going to do. Todays gospel? Repent or perish On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 04:46:04 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It appears there are two judges -- The Judge and The Impostor. If judgment has to do with bringing ppl into the relationship [and such is the only judgment presented to the modern day saint], the judgment is easily assessed. Drive them [the ppl] away and the judgment is not of God. "Impostor" is the only remaining conclusion.jd From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] the Judge himself actually judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as herenders truth truthfully among us who know him--the stark contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:) (in this context:) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:24:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. the Moderator smugly postures himself the same way as you do,Bro; e.g.: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "..not to [separate the two G]would make one prone to error. Error #2" On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:12:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. you copied and pasted...from another site without actually going to it ^^^ On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:05:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: intrinsically, below, [ above]you've postured yourself to(be) Judge [in public insinuating what you want ppl to think--which in truth is not'witholding judgement'] On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have withheld judgment || - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
Re: [TruthTalk] God's Judgment
Amen, Judy! Very well said. David Miller. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:13 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God's Judgment Looks like neither of you have read the prophets, or books in the Bible such as Lamentations where God's own ppl are literally "judged by fire" Yes He is merciful and longsuffering but even God haslimits; also we are to adjust to His understanding gentlemen since we are the ones in need ofa new heart and a renewed mind; He has already done all He is going to do. Todays gospel? Repent or perish On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 04:46:04 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It appears there are two judges -- The Judge and The Impostor. If judgment has to do with bringing ppl into the relationship [and such is the only judgment presented to the modern day saint], the judgment is easily assessed. Drive them [the ppl] away and the judgment is not of God. "Impostor" is the only remaining conclusion.jd From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] the Judge himself actually judges ppl with understanding, gentlemen--he engenders understanding with wisdom and righteousness as he goes, as herenders truth truthfully among us who know him--the stark contrast of your spirits methods provoke me (to comment:) (in this context:) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:24:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. the Moderator smugly postures himself the same way as you do,Bro; e.g.: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:13 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "..not to [separate the two G]would make one prone to error. Error #2" On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:12:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2006 15:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. you copied and pasted...from another site without actually going to it ^^^ On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:05:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: intrinsically, below, [ above]you've postured yourself to(be) Judge [in public insinuating what you want ppl to think--which in truth is not'witholding judgement'] On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have withheld judgment || - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. then, like the Moderator,you also Judge ppl in yourfinitudewithin v narrow human limits (with perfection, of course) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:12:57 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I did not understand, and still don't understand, is why Gary did not post the other information on that page.
Re: [TruthTalk] God's Judgment
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:57:32 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus fulfilled God's Law and we are also to fulfill it through Him .. and this is not - He does it and we get the credit while still in our mess. It is He gave us the example and we follow "in His steps" to do likewise. judyt Really !! This will make no difference to you, I am sure, but it does to me: I Cor 1:30 "But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us widom from God -- AND righteousness AND sancitification AND redemption." HE is all of this FOR US. He is all this for us ONLY as we walk after the Spirit JD which means we walk as he walked in obedience to the Father. In Eph 2:15-16 we are told that the reconciliation accomplished in Christ ABOLISHED the enmity that is the law of commandments contained in the ordances. This is the same "Law of Moses" that Peter tells the council at Jerusalem is a burden greater than any could bear !! (Acts 15:5-11). The ordinances had to do with the Levitical Priesthood - not God's moral law JD. You need to read Hebrews more closely and ask God to show you the difference. The old covenant is declared to be [already] OBSOLETE and passing away in Heb 8:13. Yes the sacrifices and feasts are now history; we have one eternal sacrifice which replaces them. And when did this happen? AT THE CROSS (Heb 9:15.). Christ lived and died under the law of His Father. We live and die under the law of Christ. And the law of Christ fulfills the law of His Father so tell me what is the difference? A Spirit filled Paul writes to a Spirit filled Christian church and argues that if righteousness came by Spirit filled folk obeying the law, then Christ died needlessly (Gal 2:21.) A Spirit filled John wrote that "Sin is transgressing the law" So tell me JD, how does one transgress what has been completely done away with. If it is gone already then how can one transgress against it? (1 Jn 3:4) I know you have done away with God's law JD; but it does not look to me like God has. You and those on this forum who buyinto your doctrine can offer no hope to those addicted to sin (aren't we all !!!??) No we are not all addicted to sin. You speak for yourself only JD. I die daily to sin and live by the faith of the son of God who loved me and gave himself for me. I am dead to sin and alive to righteousness. because you have no clue as to the difference between law and grace. When you guys get through with your "explanation," THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE !! I have a different definition of grace than you do JD. For me it is not a cloak for sin - it is the ability through the power of the cross to overcome sin. Grace gives us the power to do as we should and to love the unlovely.. -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] As different as the old God is from your own specialized new god JD Why is His Law which is holy, just, and good, such a threat to you? I find this a curiosity. Since God's law reflects His nature and character. How can one profess to love Him and ATST reject His Word? You explain. The Words Jesus spoke were the Father's. The standard for a new covenant believer is higher than that of the scribes and pharisees under the Law - So your doctrine of "sin covering grace" will not stand under scrutiny JD. Jesus fulfilled God's Law and we are also to fulfill it through Him .. and this is not - He does it and we get the credit while still in our mess. It is He gave us the example and we follow "in His steps" to do likewise. judyt On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:06:12 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, the Good News -- and it is so different from the Old Law !! Wow!! You have no idea which is Old Testament and which is New Testament. You do not see the Cross as that which ends the Law through fulfillmentand Begins the administration of Grace apart from Law (there has always been grace, of course.) Any who are addicted to some habit of sin before you get to them is clearly lost afterwards.You, my dear, are the new Judyizer !! jd From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Looks like neither of you have read the prophets, or books in the Bible such as Lamentations where God's own ppl are literally "judged by fire" Yes He is merciful and longsuffering but even God haslimits; also we are to adjust to His understanding gentlemen since we are the ones in need ofa new heart and a renewed mind; He has already done all He is going to do. Todays gospel? Repent or perish
