subject:"Re\: \[TruthTalk\] Putting people down"

Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

2005-12-08 Thread Judy Taylor

I sure don't wonder at this Christine,
Whenever you post JD makes allusions to your age, like
he is the old man full of wisdom and you are
just the novice who still has to learn; do you
sometimes feel like you are being diss'd?

On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:11:05 -0800 (PST) Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

ALL of my posts are designed to help others -- so my
percentage would be, ahh, well, zero!! Would that be your
understanding as well? jdFrom: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.com

Maybe you have a Guilty Conscience?

And for a even more interesting note
In your eyes what is your
Percentage?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Nonsense - but as a 20 something, I
understand you point of view. Putting poeple down is the subject matter of perhaps 95% of deegan's postings. Go refigure.

jd-Original Message-From:
Christine Miller verilysaid@yahoo.comTo:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 05:53:51 -0800
(PST)Subject: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

Kevin's criticisms
are godly. You may disagree with them, I may choose to make a more
moderate approach to them, but the truth is, we must learn to be wary to falsehoods and
lies. I am starting to see that more and more Christians do not
take things as seriously as they should. The feminism movement is an
example of this. It may not have seemed to obvious to the church in the
1960s what this movement would produce, and I'm sure it didn't seem like
such a powerful movement at first, so they chose not to take a stand. But
so much of society's moral decay has stemmed from that movement:
immodesty, the erroding of the family
unit, the confusion of gender roles, the rise of moral relativism and
humanism, the rise of sexual promescuity, etc.Kevin's "putting people down" as you say is not act of
bitterness or pride, but out of passion for the Truth. This passionate
support/disdain of Kevin's is so
crucial, especially in the last days. We must also be passionate
in our support or rejection of the different issues.Mat.
11:12And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of
heaven suffereth violence, and the
violent take it by force.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Your whole life's "ministry" is pretty much about putting people
down. You have allies on this forum but no real
brethren (except - possibly, Dean). I suspect
that Lance "likes him" because he makes sense.
The "Cathoilic" thingy is important only to
you -- not to Lance.You have not spoken
honestly about Barth. I suspect this is a habit of
yours -- speaking dishonestly of other's
beliefs.C.S.L included.

-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:02:00 -0800
(PST)Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ebert Roeper give the 'Lion,
the witch and the wardrobe' two thumbs up

Lance likes him because he is so Catholic
The mormons love him because he believed as they do in
BECOMING a 'god'

"Some people seem to think that I began by asking myself how I
could say something about Christianity to children; then fixed on the
fairy tale as an instrument; then collected information about
child-psychology and decided what age group I'd write for; then drew up
a list of basic Christian truths and hammered out 'allegories' to embody
them. This is all pure moonshine. I couldn't write in that way at all.
Everything began with images; a faun carrying an
umbrella, a queen on a sledge, a magnificent lion. At first there wasn't
even anything Christian about them; that element pushed itself in of its
own accord" (Of Other Worlds, p. 36).

Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

2005-12-08 Thread Lance Muir

Perhaps when her mind and the MIND OF GOD are more
in sinc; having built upon this foundation layed for her by her mom (someone
almost never mentioned by either her or her dad..strangely) she will then be
spoken to more frequently as Christine and, not David's daughter. (I'd mention
you mom's name but, don't know it).

fn:Christine: Are you at the University of Florida?
Do you know of Andrea Sterk? (professor)

- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: December 08, 2005 05:22
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people
down

I sure don't wonder at this Christine,
Whenever you post JD makes allusions to your age,
like he is the old man full of wisdom and you are
just the novice who still has to learn; do you
sometimes feel like you are being diss'd?

On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:11:05 -0800 (PST) Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

ALL of my posts are designed to help others -- so my
percentage would be, ahh, well, zero!! Would that be
your understanding as well?
jdFrom:
Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.com

Maybe you have a Guilty Conscience?

And for a even more interesting note
In your eyes what is your
Percentage?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Nonsense - but as a 20 something, I
understand you point of view. Putting poeple down is the subject matter of perhaps 95% of deegan's postings. Go refigure.

jd-Original Message-From:
Christine Miller verilysaid@yahoo.comTo:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 05:53:51 -0800
(PST)Subject: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

Kevin's
criticisms are godly. You may disagree with them, I may choose to make a
more moderate approach to them, but the truth is, we must learn to be wary to falsehoods
and lies. I am starting to see that more and more Christians do
not take things as seriously as they should. The feminism movement is an
example of this. It may not have seemed to obvious to the church in the
1960s what this movement would produce, and I'm sure it didn't seem like
such a powerful movement at first, so they chose not to take a stand.
But so much of society's moral decay has stemmed from that movement:
immodesty, the erroding of the
family unit, the confusion of gender roles, the rise of moral relativism
and humanism, the rise of sexual promescuity, etc.Kevin's "putting people down" as you say is not act of
bitterness or pride, but out of passion for the Truth. This passionate
support/disdain of Kevin's is so
crucial, especially in the last days. We must also be passionate
in our support or rejection of the different issues.Mat.
11:12And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of
heaven suffereth violence, and the
violent take it by force.[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

Lance likes him because he is so Catholic
The mormons love him because he believed as they do in
BECOMING a 'god'

Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

2005-12-08 Thread Judy Taylor




Your fault if you don't know her mother's name Lance. David has mentioned 
it on TT before. I know it.
Also why would they be talking about her when they are so ridiculed and 
maligned? I don't notice you saying
a whole lot about your wife on this list either and I certainly would not 
know her name.

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 05:47:11 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Perhaps when her mind and the MIND OF GOD are 
  more in sinc; having built upon this foundation layed for her by her mom 
  (someone almost never mentioned by either her or her dad..strangely) she will 
  then be spoken to more frequently as Christine and, not David's daughter. (I'd 
  mention you mom's name but, don't know it). 
  
  fn:Christine: Are you at the University of 
  Florida? Do you know of Andrea Sterk? (professor)
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Judy 
Taylor 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: December 08, 2005 05:22
    Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people 
down

I sure don't wonder at this Christine,
Whenever you post JD makes allusions to your age, 
like he is the old man full of wisdom and you are
just the novice who still has to learn; do you 
sometimes feel like you are being diss'd?

On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:11:05 -0800 (PST) Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  JD, I feel put down by you quite a bit. Not only do you 
  pooh-pooh my thoughts, but you turn the issue into a personal analysis 
  time and time again. No ones posts make me feel worse than yours.I 
  would not have said anything but... you asked. 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  


ALL of my posts are designed to help others -- so my 
percentage would be, ahh, well, zero!! Would that be 
your understanding as well? 
jdFrom: 
Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.com



Maybe you have a Guilty Conscience?

And for a even more interesting note
In your eyes what is your 
Percentage?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  Nonsense - but as a 20 something, I 
  understand you point of view. Putting poeple down is the subject matter of 
  perhaps 95% of deegan's 
  postings. Go refigure. 
  
  
  jd-Original 
  Message-From: Christine Miller verilysaid@yahoo.comTo: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 05:53:51 -0800 
  (PST)Subject: [TruthTalk] Putting people down
  

  
  Kevin's 
  criticisms are godly. You may disagree with them, I may choose to make 
  a more moderate approach to them, but the truth is, we must learn to be wary to falsehoods 
  and lies. I am starting to see that more and more Christians 
  do not take things as seriously as they should. The feminism movement 
  is an example of this. It may not have seemed to obvious to the church 
  in the 1960s what this movement would produce, and I'm sure it didn't 
  seem like such a powerful movement at first, so they chose not to take 
  a stand. But so much of society's moral decay has stemmed from that 
  movement: immodesty, the erroding 
  of the family unit, the confusion of gender roles, the rise of moral 
  relativism and humanism, the rise of sexual promescuity, etc.Kevin's "putting people down" as you say is not act of 
  bitterness or pride, but out of passion for the Truth. This passionate 
  support/disdain of Kevin's is so 
  crucial, especially in the last days. We must also be 
  passionate in our support or rejection of the different 
  issues.Mat. 11:12And from the days of John the Baptist 
  until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by 
  force.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  

Your whole life's "ministry" is pretty much about putting 
people down. You have allies on this forum but no real 
brethren (except - possibly, Dean). I 
suspect that Lance "likes him" because he makes sense. 

The "Cathoilic" thingy is important only to 
you -- not to Lance.You have not 
spoken honestly about Barth. I suspect this is a habit 
of yours -- speaking dishonestly of other's 
beliefs.C.S.L included. 


jd

-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:02:00 -0800 
(PST)Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ebert  Roeper give the 'Lion, the

Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

2005-12-08 Thread Lance Muir

My rather ill-formed point Judy, had more to do
with David's errant 'take' and the male/female thingy. He and, others who
espouse such errant thinking/teaching are somewhat accountable for the very
issues they rail against.

- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: December 08, 2005 06:00
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people
down

Your fault if you don't know her mother's name Lance. David has mentioned
it on TT before. I know it.
Also why would they be talking about her when they are so ridiculed and
maligned? I don't notice you saying
a whole lot about your wife on this list either and I certainly would not
know her name.

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 05:47:11 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

Perhaps when her mind and the MIND OF GOD are
more in sinc; having built upon this foundation layed for her by her mom
(someone almost never mentioned by either her or her dad..strangely) she
will then be spoken to more frequently as Christine and, not David's
daughter. (I'd mention you mom's name but, don't know it).

fn:Christine: Are you at the University of
Florida? Do you know of Andrea Sterk? (professor)

- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: December 08, 2005 05:22
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Putting
people down

I sure don't wonder at this
Christine,
Whenever you post JD makes allusions to your age,
like he is the old man full of wisdom and you are
just the novice who still has to learn; do you
sometimes feel like you are being diss'd?

On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:11:05 -0800 (PST) Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

ALL of my posts are designed to help others -- so my
percentage would be, ahh, well, zero!! Would that be
your understanding as well?
jdFrom:
Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.com

Maybe you have a Guilty Conscience?

And for a even more interesting note
In your eyes what is your
Percentage?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Nonsense - but as a 20 something, I
understand you point of view. Putting poeple down is the subject matter of
perhaps 95% of deegan's
postings. Go refigure.

jd-Original
Message-From: Christine Miller verilysaid@yahoo.comTo:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 05:53:51 -0800
(PST)Subject: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

Kevin's
criticisms are godly. You may disagree with them, I may choose to
make a more moderate approach to them, but the truth is, we must learn to be wary to
falsehoods and lies. I am starting to see that more and more
Christians do not take things as seriously as they should. The
feminism movement is an example of this. It may not have seemed to
obvious to the church in the 1960s what this movement would produce,
and I'm sure it didn't seem like such a powerful movement at first,
so they chose not to take a stand. But so much of society's moral
decay has stemmed from that movement: immodesty, the erroding of the family unit, the
confusion of gender roles, the rise of moral relativism and
humanism, the rise of sexual promescuity, etc.Kevin's "putting people down" as you say is not act of
bitterness or pride, but out of passion for the Truth. This
passionate support/disdain of Kevin's is so crucial, especially in the last days.
We must also be passionate in our support or rejection of
the different issues.Mat. 11:12And from the days of John
the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by
force.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Your whole life's "ministry" is pretty much about putting
people down. You have allies on this forum but no real
brethren (except - possibly, Dean). I
suspect that Lance &quo

Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

2005-12-08 Thread Judy Taylor




How would you know how DavidM loves his wife 
Lance? Isn't this putting your opinion out there a bit?
I don't think he has shared his whole mind on this 
matter exhaustively - do you? Also his priorities are
definitely not mainstream. So why is he the 
subject here?


On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 06:23:56 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  My rather ill-formed point Judy, had more to do 
  with David's errant 'take' and the male/female thingy. He and, others who 
  espouse such errant thinking/teaching are somewhat accountable for the very 
  issues they rail against.
  
From: Judy Taylor 

Your fault if you don't know her mother's name 
Lance. David has mentioned it on TT before. I know it.
Also why would they be talking about her when they 
are so ridiculed and maligned? I don't notice you saying
a whole lot about your wife on this list either and 
I certainly would not know her name.

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 05:47:11 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  Perhaps when her mind and the MIND OF GOD are 
  more in sinc; having built upon this foundation layed for her by her mom 
  (someone almost never mentioned by either her or her dad..strangely) she 
  will then be spoken to more frequently as Christine and, not David's 
  daughter. (I'd mention you mom's name but, don't know it). 
  
  fn:Christine: Are you at the University of 
  Florida? Do you know of Andrea Sterk? (professor)
  
From: Judy 
Taylor 

I sure don't wonder at this 
Christine,
Whenever you post JD makes allusions to your 
age, like he is the old man full of wisdom and you are
just the novice who still has to learn; do you 
sometimes feel like you are being diss'd?

On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:11:05 -0800 (PST) Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  JD, I feel put down by you quite a bit. Not only do 
  you pooh-pooh my thoughts, but you turn the issue into a personal 
  analysis time and time again. No ones posts make me feel worse than 
  yours.I would not have said anything but... you asked. 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  


ALL of my posts are designed to help others -- so 
my percentage would be, ahh, well, zero!! Would that 
be your understanding as 
well? jdFrom: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.com



Maybe you have a Guilty Conscience?

And for a even more interesting note
In your eyes what is your 
Percentage?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  Nonsense - but as a 20 something, I 
  understand you point of view. Putting poeple down is the subject matter of 
  perhaps 95% of deegan's 
  postings. Go refigure. 
  
  jd-Original 
  Message-From: Christine Miller verilysaid@yahoo.comTo: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 05:53:51 
  -0800 (PST)Subject: [TruthTalk] Putting people down
  

  
  Kevin's 
  criticisms are godly. You may disagree with them, I may choose to 
  make a more moderate approach to them, but the truth is, we must learn to be wary to 
  falsehoods and lies. I am starting to see that more and 
  more Christians do not take things as seriously as they should. 
  The feminism movement is an example of this. It may not have 
  seemed to obvious to the church in the 1960s what this movement 
  would produce, and I'm sure it didn't seem like such a powerful 
  movement at first, so they chose not to take a stand. But so much 
  of society's moral decay has stemmed from that movement: 
  immodesty, the erroding of the 
  family unit, the confusion of gender roles, the rise of moral 
  relativism and humanism, the rise of sexual promescuity, etc.Kevin's "putting people down" as you say is not act 
  of bitterness or pride, but out of passion for the Truth. This 
  passionate support/disdain of Kevin's is so crucial, especially in the last days. 
  We must also be passionate in our support or rejection of 
  the different issues.Mat. 11:12And from the days of 
  John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent 
  take it by force.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

  

Your whole life's "ministry" is pretty much about putting 
people down. You have allies on this forum but no 
real brethren (except -

Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

2005-12-08 Thread Lance Muir

I don't eat rabbit.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: December 08, 2005 06:37
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people 
  down

  How would you know how DavidM loves his wife 
  Lance? Isn't this putting your opinion out there a bit?
  I don't think he has shared his whole mind on this 
  matter exhaustively - do you? Also his priorities are
  definitely not mainstream. So why is he the 
  subject here?

  On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 06:23:56 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

My rather ill-formed point Judy, had more to do 
with David's errant 'take' and the male/female thingy. He and, others who 
espouse such errant thinking/teaching are somewhat accountable for the very 
issues they rail against.

  From: Judy Taylor 

  Your fault if you don't know her mother's name 
  Lance. David has mentioned it on TT before. I know it.
  Also why would they be talking about her when 
  they are so ridiculed and maligned? I don't notice you 
  saying
  a whole lot about your wife on this list either 
  and I certainly would not know her name.

  On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 05:47:11 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:

Perhaps when her mind and the MIND OF GOD 
are more in sinc; having built upon this foundation layed for her by her 
mom (someone almost never mentioned by either her or her dad..strangely) 
she will then be spoken to more frequently as Christine and, not David's 
daughter. (I'd mention you mom's name but, don't know it). 

fn:Christine: Are you at the University of 
Florida? Do you know of Andrea Sterk? (professor)

  From: Judy 
  Taylor 

  I sure don't wonder at this 
  Christine,
  Whenever you post JD makes allusions to your 
  age, like he is the old man full of wisdom and you are
  just the novice who still has to learn; do 
  you sometimes feel like you are being diss'd?

  On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:11:05 -0800 (PST) Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:

JD, I feel put down by you quite a bit. Not only 
do you pooh-pooh my thoughts, but you turn the issue into a personal 
analysis time and time again. No ones posts make me feel worse than 
yours.I would not have said anything but... you asked. 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

  ALL of my posts are designed to help others -- so 
  my percentage would be, ahh, well, zero!! Would 
  that be your understanding as 
  well? jdFrom: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.com

  Maybe you have a Guilty Conscience?

  And for a even more interesting note
  In your eyes what is your 
  Percentage?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Nonsense - but as a 20 something, I 
understand you point of view. Putting poeple down is the subject matter 
of perhaps 95% of deegan's 
postings. Go refigure. 

jd-Original 
Message-From: Christine Miller verilysaid@yahoo.comTo: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 05:53:51 
-0800 (PST)Subject: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

Kevin's 
criticisms are godly. You may disagree with them, I may choose 
to make a more moderate approach to them, but the truth is, we 
must learn to be wary to 
falsehoods and lies. I am starting to see that more and 
more Christians do not take things as seriously as they should. 
The feminism movement is an example of this. It may not have 
seemed to obvious to the church in the 1960s what this movement 
would produce, and I'm sure it didn't seem like such a powerful 
movement at first, so they chose not to take a stand. But so 
much of society's moral decay has stemmed from that movement: 
immodesty, the erroding of 
the family unit, the confusion of gender roles, the rise of 
moral relativism and humanism, the rise of sexual promescuity, 
etc.Kevin's 
"putting people down" as you say is not act of bitterness or 
pride, but out of passion for the Truth. This passionate 
support/disdain of Kevin's 
is so crucial, e

Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

2005-12-08 Thread Kevin Deegan

Apparently he does not see it. He is unable to DEAL with issues only attacks PEOPLE who raise issues.So don't let it get to you. Just be glad he has not yet called you aIDIOT, JEW PUNK etc. When he calls someone a name it is only "designed to help" them! Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:JD, I feel put down by you quite a bit. Not only do you pooh-pooh my thoughts, but you turn the issue into a personal analysis time and time again. No ones posts make me feel worse than yours.I would not have said anything but... you asked. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:ALL of my posts are designed to help others -- so my percentage would be, ahh, well, zero!! Would that be your understanding as well?jd-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:04:17 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people downMaybe you have a Guilty Conscience?And for a even more interesting note In your eyes what is your Percentage?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Nonsense - but as a 20 something, I understand you point of
view. Putting poeple down is the subject matter of perhaps 95% of deegan's postings. Go refigure. jd-Original Message-From: Christine Miller verilysaid@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 05:53:51 -0800 (PST)Subject: [TruthTalk] Putting people downKevin's criticisms are godly. You may disagree with them, I may choose to make a more moderate approach to them, but the truth is, we must learn to be wary to falsehoods and lies. I am starting to see that more and more Christians do not take things as seriously as they should. The feminism movement is an example of this. It may not have seemed to obvious to the church in the 1960s what this movement would produce, and I'm sure it didn't seem like such a powerful movement at first, so they chose not to take a stand. But so much of society's moral decay has stemmed from that movement: immodesty, the erroding of the family unit, the confusion of gender roles, the rise of moral relativism and humanism, the rise of sexual promescuity, etc.Kevin's "putting people down" as you say is not act of bitterness or pride, but out of passion for the Truth. This passionate support/disdain of Kevin's is so crucial, especially in the last days.
We must also be passionate in our support or rejection of the different issues.Mat. 11:12And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your whole life's "ministry" is pretty much about putting people down. You have allies on this forum but no real brethren (except - possibly, Dean). I suspect that Lance "likes him" because he makes sense. The "Cathoilic" thingy is important only to you -- not to
Lance.You have not spoken honestly about Barth. I suspect this is a habit of yours -- speaking dishonestly of other's beliefs.C.S.L included. jd-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:02:00 -0800 (PST)Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ebert Roeper give the 'Lion, the witch and the wardrobe' two thumbs up Lance likes him because he is so Catholic The mormons love him because he believed as they do in BECOMING a 'god'"Some people seem to think that I began by asking myself how I could say something about Christianity to children; then fixed on the fairy tale as an instrument; then collected information about child-psychology and decided what age group I'd write
for; then drew up a list of basic Christian truths and hammered out 'allegories' to embody them. This is all pure moonshine. I couldn't write in that way at all. Everything began with images; a faun carrying an umbrella, a queen on a sledge, a magnificent lion. At first there wasn't even anything Christian about them; that element pushed itself in of its own accord" (Of Other Worlds, p. 36).http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/lewis/general.htm Lewis termed himself "very Catholic" -- his prayers for the dead, belief in purgatory, and rejection of the literal resurrection of the body are serious deviations from Biblical Christianity (C.S. Lewis: A Biography,
p. 234); he even went to a priest for regular confession (p. 198), and received the sacrament of extreme unction on 7/16/63 (p. 301). His contention that some pagans may "belong to Christ without knowing it" is a destructive heresy (Mere Christianity, pp. 176-177), as was his statement that "Christ fulfils both Paganism and Judaism " (Reflections on the Psalms, p. 129). Lewis believed that we're to become "gods," an apparent affirmation of theistic evolution. He also believed the Book of Job is "unhistorical" (Reflections on the Psalms, pp. 110), and t

Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

2005-12-08 Thread knpraise

Besides this particular thread, Christine, could you give me an example of a "put down" fromme to you.? I have tried to be very respectful of you because of of your relationship to David. Give me an example(s), please.

jdm wrote:

ALL of my posts are designed to help others -- so my percentage would be, ahh, well, zero!! Would that be your understanding as well?

jd-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:04:17 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

Maybe you have a Guilty Conscience?

And for a even more interesting note
In your eyes what is your Percentage?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Nonsense - but as a 20 something, I understand you point of view. Putting poeple down is the subject matter of perhaps 95% of deegan's postings. Go refigure.

jd-Original Message-From: Christine Miller verilysaid@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 05:53:51 -0800 (PST)Subject: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

Kevin's criticisms are godly. You may disagree with them, I may choose to make a more moderate approach to them, but the truth is, we must learn to be wary to falsehoods and lies. I am starting to see that more and more Christians do not take things as seriously as they should. The feminism movement is an example of this. It may not have seemed to obvious to the church in the 1960s what this movement would produce, and I'm sure it didn't seem like such a powerful movement at first, so they chose not to take a stand. But so much of society's moral decay has stemmed from that movement: immodesty, the erroding of the family unit, the confusion of gender roles, the rise of moral relativism and humanism, the rise of sexual promescuity, etc.Kevin's "putting people down" as you say is not act of bitterness or pride, but out of passion for the Truth. This passionate support/disdain of Kevin's is so crucial, especially in the last days. We must also be passionate in our support or rejection of the different issues.Mat. 11:12And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Your whole life's "ministry" is pretty much about putting people down. You have allies on this forum but no real brethren (except - possibly, Dean). I suspect that Lance "likes him" because he makes sense.
The "Cathoilic" thingy is important only to you -- not to Lance.You have not spoken honestly about Barth. I suspect this is a habit of yours -- speaking dishonestly of other's beliefs.C.S.L included.

-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:02:00 -0800 (PST)Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ebert Roeper give the 'Lion, the witch and the wardrobe' two thumbs up

Lance likes him because he is so Catholic
The mormons love him because he believed as they do in BECOMING a 'god'

"Some people seem to think that I began by asking myself how I could say something about Christianity to children; then fixed on the fairy tale as an instrument; then collected information about child-psychology and decided what age group I'd write for; then drew up a list of basic Christian truths and hammered out 'allegories' to embody them. This is all pure moonshine. I couldn't write in that way at all. Everything began with images; a faun carrying an umbrella, a queen on a sledge, a magnificent lion. At first there wasn't even anything Christian about them; that element pushed itself in of its own accord" (Of Other Worlds, p. 36).

Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

2005-12-08 Thread Lance Muir

Ah let her whine, John. Ya know kids these days
a born with a sense of entitlement!
THIS IS A JOKE, DAVID/CHRISTINE!

- Original Message -
From:
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: December 08, 2005 10:45
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people
down

Besides this particular thread, Christine, could you give me
an example of a "put down" fromme to you.? I have tried to be very
respectful of you because of of your relationship to David. Give me an example(s), please.

jdm
wrote:

ALL of my posts are designed to help others -- so my
percentage would be, ahh, well,
zero!! Would that be your understanding as well?

jd-Original
Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:04:17 -0800
(PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

Maybe you have a Guilty Conscience?

And for a even more interesting note
In your eyes what is your
Percentage?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Nonsense - but as a 20 something, I
understand you point of view. Putting poeple down is the
subject matter of perhaps 95% of deegan's postings. Go
refigure.

jd-Original
Message-From: Christine Miller verilysaid@yahoo.comTo:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 05:53:51 -0800
(PST)Subject: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

Kevin's criticisms are godly. You may disagree with
them, I may choose to make a more moderate approach to them, but the
truth is, we must learn to be
wary to falsehoods and lies. I am starting to see that more and
more Christians do not take things as seriously as they should. The
feminism movement is an example of this. It may not have seemed to
obvious to the church in the 1960s what this movement would produce, and
I'm sure it didn't seem like such a powerful movement at first, so they
chose not to take a stand. But so much of society's moral decay has
stemmed from that movement: immodesty, the erroding of the family
unit, the confusion of gender roles, the rise of moral relativism and
humanism, the rise of sexual promescuity,
etc.Kevin's "putting people down" as you say is not act
of bitterness or pride, but out of passion for the Truth. This
passionate support/disdain of Kevin's is so crucial, especially
in the last days. We must also be passionate in our support or
rejection of the different issues.Mat. 11:12And from the
days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by
force.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Your whole life's "ministry" is pretty much about putting people
down. You have allies on this forum but no real
brethren (except - possibly, Dean). I suspect
that Lance "likes him" because he makes sense.
The "Cathoilic"
thingy is important only
to you -- not to Lance.You have not
spoken honestly about Barth. I suspect this is a habit of
yours -- speaking dishonestly of other's
beliefs.C.S.L included.

Lance likes him because he is so Catholic
The mormons love
him because he believed as they do in BECOMING a 'god'

"Some people seem to think that I began by asking myself how I
could say something about Christianity to children; then fixed on the
fairy tale as an instrument; then collected information about
child-psychology and decided what age group I'd write for; then drew
up a list of basic Christian truths and hammered out 'allegories' to
embody them. This is all pure moonshine. I couldn't write in that way
at all. Everything began with images; a faun carrying
an umbrella, a queen on a sledge, a magnificent lion. At first the

Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

2005-12-07 Thread Judy Taylor

Amen Christine!! Agreed ...

Back in the 1960's misguided soul that I was, I
waslooking for truth in all the wrong places and as a mother
of
two young daughters found myself with a friend in her
rcc church on Sundays (while living in the Bible Belt no less).
Betty Friedan's book The Feminine Mystique had just
been published and they were having a class to discuss it
at this Church. I didn't attend but of course the
winds of the movement didn't stay in that Church class and I agree
that the fruit was not good. However, the men
should not be completely exonerated as responsibility for the home
begins with them. Find a man who is willing to
love his wife as Christ loved the Church and you will find a wife
who will gladly honor him and submit to his
leadership. It is all about love and trust which are so lacking in the

world today and sadly the
world has permeatedthe church. judyt

On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 05:53:51 -0800 (PST) Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Kevin's criticisms are godly. You may disagree with them, I
may choose to make a more moderate approach to them, but the truth is, we
must learn to be wary to falsehoods
and lies. I am starting to see that more and more Christians do not
take things as seriously as they should. The feminism movement is an example
of this. It may not have seemed to obvious to the church in the 1960s what
this movement would produce, and I'm sure it didn't seem like such a powerful
movement at first, so they chose not to take a stand. But so much of society's
moral decay has stemmed from that movement: immodesty, the erroding of the
family unit, the confusion of gender roles, the rise of moral relativism and
humanism, the rise of sexual promescuity, etc.Kevin's "putting
people down" as you say is not act of bitterness or pride, but out of passion
for the Truth. This passionate support/disdain of Kevin's is so crucial,
especially in the last days. We must also be passionate in our support
or rejection of the different issues.Mat. 11:12And from the days
of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and
the violent take it by force.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Your whole life's "ministry" is pretty much about putting people
down. You have allies on this forum but no real brethren
(except - possibly, Dean). I suspect that Lance "likes
him" because he makes sense.
The "Cathoilic" thingy is important only to you --
not to Lance.You have not spoken honestly about
Barth. I suspect this is a habit of yours --
speaking dishonestly of other's beliefs.C.S.L
included.

-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:02:00 -0800
(PST)Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ebert
Roeper give the 'Lion, the witch
and the wardrobe' two thumbs up

Lance likes him because he is so Catholic
The mormons love him
because he believed as they do in BECOMING a 'god'

"Some people seem to think that I began by asking myself how I could
say something about Christianity to children; then fixed on the fairy tale
as an instrument; then collected information about child-psychology and
decided what age group I'd write for; then drew up a list of basic Christian
truths and hammered out 'allegories' to embody them. This is all pure
moonshine. I couldn't write in that way at all. Everything began
with images; a faun carrying an umbrella, a queen on a
sledge, a magnificent lion. At first there wasn't even anything Christian
about them; that element pushed itself in of its own accord" (Of Other
Worlds, p. 36).

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/lewis/general.htm
Lewis termed himself "very Catholic" -- his
prayers for the dead, belief in purgatory,
and rejection of the literal resurrection of the body are
serious deviations from Biblical Christianity (C.S. Lewis: A
Biography, p. 234); he even went to a priest for regular
confession (p. 198), and received the sacrament of
extreme unction on 7/16/63 (p. 301). His contention that some
pagans may "belong to Christ without knowing it" is a destructive heresy
(Mere Christianity, pp. 176-177),
as was his statement that "Christ fulfils both Paganism and Judaism ..."
(Reflections on the Psalms, p. 129). Lewis believed that we're to become "gods," an
apparent affirmation of theistic evolution. He also believed the Book of Job
is "unhistorical" (Reflections on the
Psalms, pp. 110), and that the
Bible contained "error" (pp. 110, 112) and is not divinely inspired
(The Inklings, p. 175). Lewis used profanities, told bawdy stories, and frequently got drunk with
his students (5/19/90, World magazine). Christians need to read more
critically

Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

2005-12-07 Thread Judy Taylor

Don't hold her in less esteem because of her age.
Timothy was a pastor wasn't he? I see it the same
way she does and I have children who are older than 20
something. You don't understand her POV JD
Kevin is for the Truth. How can you argue with
that???

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:03:03 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Nonsense - but as a 20 something, I understand
you point of view. Putting poeple down is the subject matter of
perhaps 95% of deegan's postings. Go refigure.

jdFrom: Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Kevin's criticisms are godly. You may disagree with them, I
may choose to make a more moderate approach to them, but the truth is, we
must learn to be wary to falsehoods
and lies. I am starting to see that more and more Christians do not
take things as seriously as they should. The feminism movement is an example
of this. It may not have seemed to obvious to the church in the 1960s what
this movement would produce, and I'm sure it didn't seem like such a powerful
movement at first, so they chose not to take a stand. But so much of society's
moral decay has stemmed from that movement: immodesty, the erroding of the
family unit, the confusion of gender roles, the rise of moral relativism and
humanism, the rise of sexual promescuity, etc.Kevin's "putting
people down" as you say is not act of bitterness or pride, but out of passion
for the Truth. This passionate support/disdain of Kevin's is so crucial,
especially in the last days. We must also be passionate in our support
or rejection of the different issues.Mat. 11:12And from the days
of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and
the violent take it by force.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Your whole life's "ministry" is pretty much about putting people
down. You have allies on this forum but no real brethren
(except - possibly, Dean). I suspect that Lance "likes
him" because he makes sense.
The "Cathoilic" thingy is important only to you --
not to Lance.You have not spoken honestly about
Barth. I suspect this is a habit of yours --
speaking dishonestly of other's beliefs.C.S.L
included.

-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:02:00 -0800
(PST)Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ebert
Roeper give the 'Lion, the witch
and the wardrobe' two thumbs up

Lance likes him because he is so Catholic
The mormons love him
because he believed as they do in BECOMING a 'god'

"Some people seem to think that I began by asking myself how I could
say something about Christianity to children; then fixed on the fairy tale
as an instrument; then collected information about child-psychology and
decided what age group I'd write for; then drew up a list of basic Christian
truths and hammered out 'allegories' to embody them. This is all pure
moonshine. I couldn't write in that way at all. Everything began
with images; a faun carrying an umbrella, a queen on a
sledge, a magnificent lion. At first there wasn't even anything Christian
about them; that element pushed itself in of its own accord" (Of Other
Worlds, p. 36).

...

Q: Speaking just as a layman,

Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

2005-12-07 Thread knpraise

With great ease and conviction of heart.Christine is a kid . Timothy was discipled by Paul.

:-)

jd-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:22:17 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

Don't hold her in less esteem because of her age. Timothy was a pastor wasn't he? I see it the same
way she does and I have children who are older than 20 something. You don't understand her POV JD
Kevin is for the Truth. How can you argue with that???

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:03:03 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Nonsense - but as a 20 something, I understand you point of view. Putting poeple down is the subject matter of perhaps 95% of deegan's postings. Go refigure.

jdFrom: Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Kevin's criticisms are godly. You may disagree with them, I may choose to make a more moderate approach to them, but the truth is, we must learn to be wary to falsehoods and lies. I am starting to see that more and more Christians do not take things as seriously as they should. The feminism movement is an example of this. It may not have seemed to obvious to the church in the 1960s what this movement would produce, and I'm sure it didn't seem like such a powerful movement at first, so they chose not to take a stand. But so much of society's moral decay has stemmed from that movement: immodesty, the erroding of the family unit, the confusion of gender roles, the rise of moral relativism and humanism, the rise of sexual promescuity, etc.Kevin's "putting people down" as you say is not act of bitterness or pride, but out of passion for the Truth. This passionate support/disdain of Kevin's is so crucial, especially in the last days. We must also be passionate in our support or rejection of the different issues.Mat. 11:12And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Your whole life's "ministry" is pretty much about putting people down. You have allies on this forum but no real brethren (except - possibly, Dean). I suspect that Lance "likes him" because he makes sense.
The "Cathoilic" thingy is important only to you -- not to Lance.You have not spoken honestly about Barth. I suspect this is a habit of yours -- speaking dishonestly of other's beliefs.C.S.L included.

-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:02:00 -0800 (PST)Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ebert Roeper give the 'Lion, the witch and the wardrobe' two thumbs up

Lance likes him because he is so Catholic
The mormons love him because he believed as they do in BECOMING a 'god'

"Some people seem to think that I began by asking myself how I could say something about Christianity to children; then fixed on the fairy tale as an instrument; then collected information about child-psychology and decided what age group I'd write for; then drew up a list of basic Christian truths and hammered out 'allegories' to embody them. This is all pure moonshine. I couldn't write in that way at all. Everything began with images; a faun carrying an umbrella, a queen on a sledge, a magnificent lion. At first there wasn't even anything Christian about them; that element pushed itself in of its own accord" (Of Other Worlds, p. 36).

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/lewis/general.htm
Lewis termed himself "very Catholic" -- his prayers for the dead, belief in purgatory, and rejection of the literal resurrection of the body are serious deviations from Biblical Christianity (C.S. Lewis: A Biography, p. 234); he even went to a priest for regular confession (p. 198), and received the sacrament of extreme unction on 7/16/63 (p. 301). His contention that some pagans may "belong to Christ without knowing it" is a destructive heresy (Mere Christianity, pp. 176-177), as was his statement that "Christ fulfils both Paganism and Judaism ..." (Reflections on the Psalms, p. 129). Lewis believed that we're to become "gods," an apparent affirmation of theistic evolution. He also believed the Book of Job is "unhistorical" (Reflections on the Psalms, pp. 110), and that the Bible contained "error" (pp. 110, 112) and is not divinely inspired (The Inklings, p. 175). Lewis used profanities, told bawdy stories, and frequently got drunk with his students (5/19/90, World magazine). Christians need to read more critically The Abolition of Man, The Problem of Pain, Miracles, The Great Divorce, and God in the Dock. For example, Lewis never believed in a literal hell, but instead believed hell is a state of mind one chooses to possess and become -- he wrote, "... every shutting-up of the creature within the dungeon of its own mind is, in the end, Hell" (The Great Divorce

Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

2005-12-07 Thread Judy Taylor

Christine is mature spiritually whatever her age

Timothy was not discipled by Paul - it was his mother
and grandmother who raised him in the scriptures (2 Tim 1:5;
3:15-17)
Christine has a mother and father who raised her and
taught her the same way. Selah!!

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:28:02 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

With great ease and conviction of heart.Christine is a
kid . Timothy was discipled by Paul.

:-) jdFrom: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Don't hold her in less esteem because of her
age. Timothy was a pastor wasn't he? I see it the
same
way she does and I have children who are older than
20 something. You don't understand her POV JD
Kevin is for the Truth. How can you argue with
that???

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:03:03 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

Nonsense - but as a 20 something, I understand
you point of view. Putting poeple down is the subject matter of
perhaps 95% of deegan's postings. Go refigure.

jdFrom: Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Kevin's criticisms are godly. You may disagree with them,
I may choose to make a more moderate approach to them, but the truth is, we
must learn to be wary to falsehoods
and lies. I am starting to see that more and more Christians do not
take things as seriously as they should. The feminism movement is an example
of this. It may not have seemed to obvious to the church in the 1960s what
this movement would produce, and I'm sure it didn't seem like such a
powerful movement at first, so they chose not to take a stand. But so much
of society's moral decay has stemmed from that movement: immodesty, the
erroding of the family unit, the confusion of gender roles, the rise of
moral relativism and humanism, the rise of sexual promescuity,
etc.Kevin's "putting people down" as you say is not act of
bitterness or pride, but out of passion for the Truth. This passionate
support/disdain of Kevin's is so crucial, especially in the last days.
We must also be passionate in our support or rejection of the
different issues.Mat. 11:12And from the days of John the Baptist
until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it
by force.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Your whole life's "ministry" is pretty much about putting people
down. You have allies on this forum but no real brethren
(except - possibly, Dean). I suspect that Lance "likes
him" because he makes sense.
The "Cathoilic" thingy is important only to you
-- not to Lance.You have not spoken honestly about
Barth. I suspect this is a habit of yours --
speaking dishonestly of other's beliefs.C.S.L
included.

-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:02:00 -0800
(PST)Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ebert Roeper give
the 'Lion, the witch and the wardrobe' two thumbs up

Lance likes him because he is so Catholic
The mormons love him
because he believed as they do in BECOMING a 'god'

"Some people seem to think that I began by asking myself how I could
say something about Christianity to children; then fixed on the fairy tale
as an instrument; then collected information about child-psychology and
decided what age group I'd write for; then drew up a list of basic
Christian truths and hammered out 'allegories' to embody them. This is all
pure moonshine. I couldn't write in that way at all. Everything began
with images; a faun carrying an umbrella, a queen on a
sledge, a magnificent lion. At first there wasn't even anything Christian
about them; that element pushed itself in of its own accord" (Of Other
Worlds, p. 36).

Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

2005-12-07 Thread knpraise

Nonsense - but as a 20 something, I understand you point of view. Putting poeple down is the subject matter of perhaps 95% of deegan's postings. Go refigure.

jd-Original Message-From: Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 05:53:51 -0800 (PST)Subject: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

Kevin's criticisms are godly. You may disagree with them, I may choose to make a more moderate approach to them, but the truth is, we must learn to be wary to falsehoods and lies. I am starting to see that more and more Christians do not take things as seriously as they should. The feminism movement is an example of this. It may not have seemed to obvious to the church in the 1960s what this movement would produce, and I'm sure it didn't seem like such a powerful movement at first, so they chose not to take a stand. But so much of society's moral decay has stemmed from that movement: immodesty, the erroding of the family unit, the confusion of gender roles, the rise of moral relativism and humanism, the rise of sexual promescuity, etc.Kevin's "putting people down" as you say is not act of bitterness or pride, but out of passion for the Truth. This passionate support/disdain of Kevin's is so crucial, especially in the last days. We must also be passionate in our support or rejection of the different issues.Mat. 11:12And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Your whole life's "ministry" is pretty much about putting people down. You have allies on this forum but no real brethren (except - possibly, Dean). I suspect that Lance "likes him" because he makes sense.
The "Cathoilic" thingy is important only to you -- not to Lance.You have not spoken honestly about Barth. I suspect this is a habit of yours -- speaking dishonestly of other's beliefs.C.S.L included.

-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:02:00 -0800 (PST)Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ebert Roeper give the 'Lion, the witch and the wardrobe' two thumbs up

Lance likes him because he is so Catholic
The mormons love him because he believed as they do in BECOMING a 'god'

"Some people seem to think that I began by asking myself how I could say something about Christianity to children; then fixed on the fairy tale as an instrument; then collected information about child-psychology and decided what age group I'd write for; then drew up a list of basic Christian truths and hammered out 'allegories' to embody them. This is all pure moonshine. I couldn't write in that way at all. Everything began with images; a faun carrying an umbrella, a queen on a sledge, a magnificent lion. At first there wasn't even anything Christian about them; that element pushed itself in of its own accord" (Of Other Worlds, p. 36).

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/lewis/general.htm
Lewis termed himself "very Catholic" -- his prayers for the dead, belief in purgatory, and rejection of the literal resurrection of the body are serious deviations from Biblical Christianity (C.S. Lewis: A Biography, p. 234); he even went to a priest for regular confession (p. 198), and received the sacrament of extreme unction on 7/16/63 (p. 301). His contention that some pagans may "belong to Christ without knowing it" is a destructive heresy (Mere Christianity, pp. 176-177), as was his statement that "Christ fulfils both Paganism and Judaism ..." (Reflections on the Psalms, p. 129). Lewis believed that we're to become "gods," an apparent affirmation of theistic evolution. He also believed the Book of Job is "unhistorical" (Reflections on the Psalms, pp. 110), and that the Bible contained "error" (pp. 110, 112) and is not divinely inspired (The Inklings, p. 175). Lewis used profanities, told bawdy stories, and frequently got drunk with his students (5/19/90, World magazine). Christians need to read more critically The Abolition of Man, The Problem of Pain, Miracles, The Great Divorce, and God in the Dock. For example, Lewis never believed in a literal hell, but instead believed hell is a state of mind one chooses to possess and become -- he wrote, "... every shutting-up of the creature within the dungeon of its own mind is, in the end, Hell" (The Great Divorce, p. 65).

...

Q: Speaking just as a layman, it seems to me that the "theology" you get out of THE CHRONICLES OF NARNIA, THE GREAT DIVORCE, THE SCREWTAPE LETTERS is Orthodox. I was recently rereading THE SCREWTAPE LETTERS and Lewis has a section where Screwtape (the lead demon writing to the little demon, Wormwood) says something like, "In misleading your Protestant convert, the best thing to do is get him to pray extemporaneously; make sure that above all he does not pray the liturgical prayers his mother taught him; let him think that everything he says is original." When I read C.S. Lewis I hear

Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

2005-12-07 Thread Judy Taylor




You got the subject like right this time Lance. 
Put down has become your forte

On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:49:35 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Indeed Judy!! Anyone old enough to recall Edgar Bergen  
  Charley McCarthy? 
  
From: Judy Taylor 

Christine is mature 
spiritually whatever her age 
Timothy was not discipled by Paul - it was his 
mother and grandmother who raised 
him in the scriptures (2 Tim 1:5; 
3:15-17)
Christine has a mother and father who 
raisedand taught her the same way. Selah!!

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:28:02 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  With great ease and conviction of heart.Christine 
  is a kid . Timothy was discipled by Paul. 
  
  :-) jdFrom: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  

  
  Don't hold her in less esteem because of her 
  age. Timothy was a pastor wasn't he? I see it the 
  same
  way she does and I have children who are older 
  than 20 something. You don't understand her POV JD
  Kevin is for the Truth. How can you argue with 
  that???
  
  On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:03:03 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  


Nonsense - but as a 20 something, I 
understand you point of view. Putting poeple down is the 
subject matter of perhaps 95% of deegan's postings. Go 
refigure. 

jdFrom: Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Kevin's criticisms are godly. You may disagree with 
them, I may choose to make a more moderate approach to them, but the 
truth is, we must learn to be 
wary to falsehoods and lies. I am starting to see that more and 
more Christians do not take things as seriously as they should. The 
feminism movement is an example of this. It may not have seemed to 
obvious to the church in the 1960s what this movement would produce, and 
I'm sure it didn't seem like such a powerful movement at first, so they 
chose not to take a stand. But so much of society's moral decay has 
stemmed from that movement: immodesty, the erroding of the family unit, 
the confusion of gender roles, the rise of moral relativism and 
humanism, the rise of sexual promescuity, etc.Kevin's 
"putting people down" as you say is not act of bitterness or pride, but 
out of passion for the Truth. This passionate support/disdain of Kevin's 
is so crucial, especially in the last days. We must also be 
passionate in our support or rejection of the different 
issues.Mat. 11:12And from the days of John the Baptist until 
now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by 
force.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

  
  Your whole life's "ministry" is pretty much about putting people 
  down. You have allies on this forum but no real 
  brethren (except - possibly, Dean). I suspect 
  that Lance "likes him" because he makes sense. 
  The "Cathoilic" thingy is important only to you 
  -- not to Lance.You have not spoken honestly 
  about Barth. I suspect this is a habit of yours 
  -- speaking dishonestly of other's 
  beliefs.C.S.L included. 
  
  
  jd
  
  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:02:00 -0800 
  (PST)Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ebert  Roeper 
  give the 'Lion, the witch and the wardrobe' two thumbs 
up
  

  
  
  Lance likes him because he is so Catholic
  The mormons love him 
  because he believed as they do in BECOMING a 'god'
  
  "Some people seem to think that I began by asking myself how I 
  could say something about Christianity to children; then fixed on the 
  fairy tale as an instrument; then collected information about 
  child-psychology and decided what age group I'd write for; then drew 
  up a list of basic Christian truths and hammered out 'allegories' to 
  embody them. This is all pure moonshine. I couldn't write in that way 
  at all. Everything began with images; a faun carrying 
  an umbrella, a queen on a sledge, a magnificent lion. At first there 
  wasn't even anything Christian about them; that element pushed itself 
  in of its own accord" (Of Other Worlds, p. 36).
  
  http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/lewis/general.htm
  Lewis termed himself "very Catholic" -- his 
  prayers for the dead, belief in 
  purgatory, and rejection of the literal 
  resurrection of the body are serious deviations from Biblical 
  Christianity (C.S. Lewis: A

Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

2005-12-07 Thread Lance Muir




Indeed Judy!! Anyone old enough to recall Edgar 
Bergen  Charley McCarthy? 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 07, 2005 10:36
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people 
  down
  
  Christine is mature spiritually whatever her age 
  
  Timothy was not discipled by Paul - it was his mother 
  and grandmother who raised him in the scriptures (2 Tim 1:5; 
  3:15-17)
  Christine has a mother and father who raised her and 
  taught her the same way. Selah!!
  
  On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:28:02 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  


With great ease and conviction of heart.Christine is 
a kid . Timothy was discipled by Paul. 

:-) jdFrom: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Don't hold her in less esteem because of her 
age. Timothy was a pastor wasn't he? I see it the 
same
way she does and I have children who are older than 
20 something. You don't understand her POV JD
Kevin is for the Truth. How can you argue with 
that???

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:03:03 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  
  Nonsense - but as a 20 something, I 
  understand you point of view. Putting poeple down is the 
  subject matter of perhaps 95% of deegan's postings. Go 
  refigure. 
  
  jdFrom: Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  

  
  Kevin's criticisms are godly. You may disagree with 
  them, I may choose to make a more moderate approach to them, but the truth 
  is, we must learn to be wary to 
  falsehoods and lies. I am starting to see that more and more 
  Christians do not take things as seriously as they should. The feminism 
  movement is an example of this. It may not have seemed to obvious to the 
  church in the 1960s what this movement would produce, and I'm sure it 
  didn't seem like such a powerful movement at first, so they chose not to 
  take a stand. But so much of society's moral decay has stemmed from that 
  movement: immodesty, the erroding of the family unit, the confusion of 
  gender roles, the rise of moral relativism and humanism, the rise of 
  sexual promescuity, etc.Kevin's "putting people down" as you 
  say is not act of bitterness or pride, but out of passion for the Truth. 
  This passionate support/disdain of Kevin's is so crucial, especially in 
  the last days. We must also be passionate in our support or 
  rejection of the different issues.Mat. 11:12And from the days 
  of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, 
  and the violent take it by 
  force.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  

Your whole life's "ministry" is pretty much about putting people 
down. You have allies on this forum but no real 
brethren (except - possibly, Dean). I suspect 
that Lance "likes him" because he makes sense. 
The "Cathoilic" thingy is important only to you 
-- not to Lance.You have not spoken honestly 
about Barth. I suspect this is a habit of yours 
-- speaking dishonestly of other's beliefs.C.S.L 
included. 


jd

-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:02:00 -0800 
(PST)Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ebert  Roeper give 
the 'Lion, the witch and the wardrobe' two thumbs up




Lance likes him because he is so Catholic
The mormons love him 
because he believed as they do in BECOMING a 'god'

"Some people seem to think that I began by asking myself how I 
could say something about Christianity to children; then fixed on the 
fairy tale as an instrument; then collected information about 
child-psychology and decided what age group I'd write for; then drew up 
a list of basic Christian truths and hammered out 'allegories' to embody 
them. This is all pure moonshine. I couldn't write in that way at all. 
Everything began with images; a faun carrying an 
umbrella, a queen on a sledge, a magnificent lion. At first there wasn't 
even anything Christian about them; that element pushed itself in of its 
own accord" (Of Other Worlds, p. 36).

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/lewis/general.htm
Lewis termed himself "very Catholic" -- his 
prayers for the dead, belief in 
purgatory, and rejection of the literal 
resurrection of the body are serious deviations from Biblical 
Christianity (C.S. Lewis: A Biography, p. 234); he even went to a 
priest for regular confession (p. 198), and received 
the sa

Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

2005-12-07 Thread Lance Muir

We try Judy.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: December 07, 2005 11:16
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people 
  down

  You got the subject like right this time Lance. 
  Put down has become your forte

  On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:49:35 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

Indeed Judy!! Anyone old enough to recall Edgar Bergen 
 Charley McCarthy? 

  From: Judy Taylor 

  Christine is 
  mature spiritually whatever her age 
  Timothy was not discipled by Paul - it was his 
  mother and grandmother who raised 
  him in the scriptures (2 Tim 1:5; 
  3:15-17)
  Christine has a mother and father who 
  raisedand taught her the same way. Selah!!

  On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:28:02 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

With great ease and conviction of heart.Christine 
is a kid . Timothy was discipled by Paul. 

:-) jdFrom: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Don't hold her in less esteem because of her 
age. Timothy was a pastor wasn't he? I see it the 
same
way she does and I have children who are older 
than 20 something. You don't understand her POV JD
Kevin is for the Truth. How can you argue with 
that???

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:03:03 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  Nonsense - but as a 20 something, I 
  understand you point of view. Putting poeple down is the 
  subject matter of perhaps 95% of deegan's postings. Go 
  refigure. 

  jdFrom: Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  Kevin's criticisms are godly. You may disagree with 
  them, I may choose to make a more moderate approach to them, but the 
  truth is, we must learn to be 
  wary to falsehoods and lies. I am starting to see that more 
  and more Christians do not take things as seriously as they should. 
  The feminism movement is an example of this. It may not have seemed to 
  obvious to the church in the 1960s what this movement would produce, 
  and I'm sure it didn't seem like such a powerful movement at first, so 
  they chose not to take a stand. But so much of society's moral decay 
  has stemmed from that movement: immodesty, the erroding of the family 
  unit, the confusion of gender roles, the rise of moral relativism and 
  humanism, the rise of sexual promescuity, etc.Kevin's 
  "putting people down" as you say is not act of bitterness or pride, 
  but out of passion for the Truth. This passionate support/disdain of 
  Kevin's is so crucial, especially in the last days. We must 
  also be passionate in our support or rejection of the different 
  issues.Mat. 11:12And from the days of John the Baptist 
  until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent 
  take it by force.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Your whole life's "ministry" is pretty much about putting 
people down. You have allies on this forum but no real 
brethren (except - possibly, Dean). I 
suspect that Lance "likes him" because he makes sense. 

The "Cathoilic" thingy is important only to you 
-- not to Lance.You have not spoken honestly 
about Barth. I suspect this is a habit of yours 
-- speaking dishonestly of other's 
beliefs.C.S.L included. 

jd

-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:02:00 -0800 
(PST)Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ebert  Roeper 
give the 'Lion, the witch and the wardrobe' two thumbs 
up

Lance likes him because he is so 
Catholic
The mormons love 
him because he believed as they do in BECOMING a 
'god'

"Some people seem to think that I began by asking myself how I 
could say something about Christianity to children; then fixed on 
the fairy tale as an instrument; then collected information about 
child-psychology and decided what age group I'd write for; then drew 
up a list of basic Christian truths and hammered out 'allegories' to 
embody them. This is all pure moonshine. I couldn't write in that 
way at all. Everything began with images; a faun 
carrying an umbrella, a queen

Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

2005-12-07 Thread knpraise

I see Christine as a very mature kid. If her views are not amendedas she grows in the Lord and in experience, she will find herself stunted. I know of many who , after coming to the Lord, have refused their own experienceswith retardation as a their finale. Thank God we don't have to be right.

jd-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:36:23 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

Christine is mature spiritually whatever her age
Timothy was not discipled by Paul - it was his mother and grandmother who raised him in the scriptures (2 Tim 1:5; 3:15-17)
Christine has a mother and father who raised her and taught her the same way. Selah!!

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:28:02 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

With great ease and conviction of heart.Christine is a kid . Timothy was discipled by Paul.

:-) jdFrom: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Don't hold her in less esteem because of her age. Timothy was a pastor wasn't he? I see it the same
way she does and I have children who are older than 20 something. You don't understand her POV JD
Kevin is for the Truth. How can you argue with that???

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:03:03 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Nonsense - but as a 20 something, I understand you point of view. Putting poeple down is the subject matter of perhaps 95% of deegan's postings. Go refigure.

jdFrom: Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Kevin's criticisms are godly. You may disagree with them, I may choose to make a more moderate approach to them, but the truth is, we must learn to be wary to falsehoods and lies. I am starting to see that more and more Christians do not take things as seriously as they should. The feminism movement is an example of this. It may not have seemed to obvious to the church in the 1960s what this movement would produce, and I'm sure it didn't seem like such a powerful movement at first, so they chose not to take a stand. But so much of society's moral decay has stemmed from that movement: immodesty, the erroding of the family unit, the confusion of gender roles, the rise of moral relativism and humanism, the rise of sexual promescuity, etc.Kevin's "putting people down" as you say is not act of bitterness or pride, but out of passion for the Truth. This passionate support/disdain of Kevin's is so crucial, especially in the last days. We must also be passionate in our support or rejection of the different issues.Mat. 11:12And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Your whole life's "ministry" is pretty much about putting people down. You have allies on this forum but no real brethren (except - possibly, Dean). I suspect that Lance "likes him" because he makes sense.
The "Cathoilic" thingy is important only to you -- not to Lance.You have not spoken honestly about Barth. I suspect this is a habit of yours -- speaking dishonestly of other's beliefs.C.S.L included.

-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:02:00 -0800 (PST)Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ebert Roeper give the 'Lion, the witch and the wardrobe' two thumbs up

Lance likes him because he is so Catholic
The mormons love him because he believed as they do in BECOMING a 'god'

"Some people seem to think that I began by asking myself how I could say something about Christianity to children; then fixed on the fairy tale as an instrument; then collected information about child-psychology and decided what age group I'd write for; then drew up a list of basic Christian truths and hammered out 'allegories' to embody them. This is all pure moonshine. I couldn't write in that way at all. Everything began with images; a faun carrying an umbrella, a queen on a sledge, a magnificent lion. At first there wasn't even anything Christian about them; that element pushed itself in of its own accord" (Of Other Worlds, p. 36).

Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

2005-12-07 Thread Judy Taylor

This is a new one JD
So if one does not go out and wallow in the mire for a
while they become stunted?

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:28:45 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I see Christine as a very mature kid. If her views are not
amendedas she grows in the Lord and in experience, she will find
herself stunted. I know of many who , after coming to the
Lord, have refused their own experienceswith retardation as a their
finale. Thank God we don't have to be right. jdFrom: Judy
Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Christine is mature spiritually whatever her age

Timothy was not discipled by Paul - it was his mother and grandmother who raised
him in the scriptures (2 Tim 1:5; 3:15-17)
Christine has a mother and father who raised her and
taught her the same way. Selah!!

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:28:02 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

With great ease and conviction of heart.Christine is
a kid . Timothy was discipled by
Paul.

:-) jdFrom: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Don't hold her in less esteem because of her
age. Timothy was a pastor wasn't he? I see it the
same
way she does and I have children who are older than
20 something. You don't understand her POV JD
Kevin is for the Truth. How can you argue with
that???

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:03:03 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Nonsense - but as a 20 something, I
understand you point of view. Putting poeple down is the subject matter of perhaps 95% of deegan's postings. Go refigure.

jdFrom:
Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan
openairmission@yahoo.comTo:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:02:00 -0800
(PST)Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ebert Roeper give the 'Lion,
the witch and the wardrobe' two thumbs up

Lance likes him because he is so Catholic
The mormons love him because he believed as they do in
BECOMING a 'god'

Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

2005-12-07 Thread Christine Miller

Should I be ashamed of my vigor? Is not boldness an _expression_ of faith? In this case I do not repent of my youth. Someone somewhere said we are to be converted to children to enter the Kingdom, and I supose I have a leg-up on that one in this case.I agree with you that a critical spirit is not always enjoyable. My father has a blunt honesty with me that took some getting used to (he once likened a 6th grade orchestra concert to the cries of a flock of seagulls). But while I agree with your sentiments, there is merit to Kevin's violent opinions. It is because of people like Kevin that the Kingdom of Heaven has not suffered more violence. He is an example to us all.Young or not, am I not speaking the truth?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Nonsense - but as a 20 something, I understand you point of view. Putting poeple down is the subject matter of perhaps 95% of deegan's postings. Go refigure. jd-Original Message-From: Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 05:53:51 -0800 (PST)Subject: [TruthTalk] Putting people downKevin's criticisms are godly. You may disagree with them, I may choose to make a more moderate approach to them, but the truth is, we must learn to be wary to falsehoods and lies. I am starting to see that more and more Christians do not take things as seriously as they should. The feminism movement is an example of this. It may not have seemed to obvious to the church in the 1960s what this movement would produce, and I'm sure it didn't seem like such a powerful movement at first, so they chose not to take a stand. But so much of society's moral decay has stemmed from
that movement: immodesty, the erroding of the family unit, the confusion of gender roles, the rise of moral relativism and humanism, the rise of sexual promescuity, etc.Kevin's "putting people down" as you say is not act of bitterness or pride, but out of passion for the Truth. This passionate support/disdain of Kevin's is so crucial, especially in the last days. We must also be passionate in our support or rejection of the different issues.Mat. 11:12And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your whole life's "ministry" is pretty much about putting people down. You have allies on this forum but no real brethren (except
- possibly, Dean). I suspect that Lance "likes him" because he makes sense. The "Cathoilic" thingy is important only to you -- not to Lance.You have not spoken honestly about Barth. I suspect this is a habit of yours -- speaking dishonestly of other's beliefs.C.S.L included. jd-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:02:00 -0800 (PST)Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ebert Roeper give the 'Lion,
the witch and the wardrobe' two thumbs up Lance likes him because he is so Catholic The mormons love him because he believed as they do in BECOMING a 'god'"Some people seem to think that I began by asking myself how I could say something about Christianity to children; then fixed on the fairy tale as an instrument; then collected information about child-psychology and decided what age group I'd write for; then drew up a list of basic Christian truths and hammered out 'allegories' to embody them. This is all pure moonshine. I couldn't write in that way at all. Everything began with images; a faun carrying
an umbrella, a queen on a sledge, a magnificent lion. At first there wasn't even anything Christian about them; that element pushed itself in of its own accord" (Of Other Worlds, p. 36).http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/lewis/general.htm Lewis termed himself "very Catholic" -- his prayers for the dead, belief in purgatory, and rejection of the literal resurrection of the body are serious deviations from Biblical Christianity (C.S. Lewis: A Biography, p. 234); he even went to a priest for regular confession (p. 198), and received the sacrament of extreme unction on 7/16/63 (p. 301). His contention that some pagans may "belong to Christ without knowing it" is a
destructive heresy (Mere Christianity, pp. 176-177), as was his statement that "Christ fulfils both Paganism and Judaism ..." (Reflections on the Psalms, p. 129). Lewis believed that we're to become "gods," an apparent affirmation of theistic evolution. He also believed the Book of Job is "unhistorical" (Reflections on the Psalms, pp. 110), and that the Bible contained "error" (pp. 110, 112) and is not divinely inspired (The Inklings, p. 175). Lewis used profanities, told bawdy stories, and frequently got drunk with his students (5/19/90, World magazine). Christians need to read more critically The Abolition of Man, The Problem of Pain, Miracles, The Great
Divorce, and God in the Dock. For example, Lewis never believed

Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

2005-12-07 Thread Kevin Deegan

Maybe you have a Guilty Conscience?And for a even more interesting note In your eyes what is your Percentage?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Nonsense - but as a 20 something, I understand you point of view. Putting poeple down is the subject matter of perhaps 95% of deegan's postings. Go refigure. jd-Original Message-From: Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 05:53:51 -0800 (PST)Subject: [TruthTalk] Putting people downKevin's criticisms are godly. You may disagree with them, I may choose to make a more moderate approach to them, but the truth is, we must learn to be wary to falsehoods and lies. I am starting to see that more and more
Christians do not take things as seriously as they should. The feminism movement is an example of this. It may not have seemed to obvious to the church in the 1960s what this movement would produce, and I'm sure it didn't seem like such a powerful movement at first, so they chose not to take a stand. But so much of society's moral decay has stemmed from that movement: immodesty, the erroding of the family unit, the confusion of gender roles, the rise of moral relativism and humanism, the rise of sexual promescuity, etc.Kevin's "putting people down" as you say is not act of bitterness or pride, but out of passion for the Truth. This passionate support/disdain of Kevin's is so crucial, especially in the last days. We must also be passionate in our support or rejection of the different issues.Mat. 11:12And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by
force.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your whole life's "ministry" is pretty much about putting people down. You have allies on this forum but no real brethren (except - possibly, Dean). I suspect that Lance "likes him" because he makes sense. The "Cathoilic" thingy is important only to you -- not to Lance.You have not spoken honestly about Barth. I suspect this is a habit of yours -- speaking dishonestly of other's beliefs.C.S.L included. jd-Original
Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:02:00 -0800 (PST)Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ebert Roeper give the 'Lion, the witch and the wardrobe' two thumbs up Lance likes him because he is so Catholic The mormons love him because he believed as they do in BECOMING a 'god'"Some people seem to think that I began by asking myself how I could say something about Christianity to children; then fixed
on the fairy tale as an instrument; then collected information about child-psychology and decided what age group I'd write for; then drew up a list of basic Christian truths and hammered out 'allegories' to embody them. This is all pure moonshine. I couldn't write in that way at all. Everything began with images; a faun carrying an umbrella, a queen on a sledge, a magnificent lion. At first there wasn't even anything Christian about them; that element pushed itself in of its own accord" (Of Other Worlds, p. 36).http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/lewis/general.htm Lewis termed himself "very Catholic" -- his prayers for the dead, belief in purgatory, and rejection of the literal resurrection of the
body are serious deviations from Biblical Christianity (C.S. Lewis: A Biography, p. 234); he even went to a priest for regular confession (p. 198), and received the sacrament of extreme unction on 7/16/63 (p. 301). His contention that some pagans may "belong to Christ without knowing it" is a destructive heresy (Mere Christianity, pp. 176-177), as was his statement that "Christ fulfils both Paganism and Judaism " (Reflections on the Psalms, p. 129). Lewis believed that we're to become "gods," an apparent affirmation of theistic evolution. He also believed the Book of Job is "unhistorical" (Reflections on the Psalms, pp. 110), and that the Bible contained "error" (pp. 110, 112) and is not divinely
inspired (The Inklings, p. 175). Lewis used profanities, told bawdy stories, and frequently got drunk with his students (5/19/90, World magazine). Christians need to read more critically The Abolition of Man, The Problem of Pain, Miracles, The Great Divorce, and God in the Dock. For example, Lewis never believed in a literal hell, but instead believed hell is a state of mind one chooses to possess and become -- he wrote, "... every shutting-up of the creature within the dungeon of its own mind is, in the end, Hell" (The Great Divorce, p. 65)....Q: Speaking just as a layman, it seems to me that the "theology" you get out of THE CHRONICLES OF NARNIA, THE GREAT DIVORCE,
THE SCREWTAPE LETTERS is Orthodox. I was recently rereading THE SCREWTAPE LETTERS and Lewis has a section where Screwtape (the lead demon writing to the little demon, Wormwood) says something like, "In misleading your Protestant convert, the best thing to do is get him to pray

Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

2005-12-07 Thread Kevin Deegan

I think that may have been the real intent of his original post. An argument against truth.Come to think of it..Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't hold her in less esteem because of her age. Timothy was a pastor wasn't he? I see it the same way she does and I have children who are older than 20 something. You don't understand her POV JD Kevin is for the Truth. How can you argue with that???On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:03:03 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Nonsense - but as a 20 something, I understand you point of view. Putting poeple down is the subject matter of perhaps 95% of deegan's postings. Go refigure. jdFrom: Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]Kevin's criticisms are godly. You may disagree with them, I may choose to make a more moderate approach to them, but the truth is, we must learn to be wary to falsehoods and lies. I am starting to see that more and more Christians do not take things as seriously as they should. The feminism movement is an example of this. It may not have seemed to obvious to the church in the 1960s what this movement would produce, and I'm sure it didn't seem like such a powerful movement at first, so they chose not to take a stand. But so much of society's moral decay has stemmed from that movement: immodesty, the erroding of the family unit, the
confusion of gender roles, the rise of moral relativism and humanism, the rise of sexual promescuity, etc.Kevin's "putting people down" as you say is not act of bitterness or pride, but out of passion for the Truth. This passionate support/disdain of Kevin's is so crucial, especially in the last days. We must also be passionate in our support or rejection of the different issues.Mat. 11:12And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your whole life's "ministry" is pretty much about putting people down. You have allies on this forum but no real brethren (except - possibly, Dean). I suspect that Lance "likes him" because
he makes sense. The "Cathoilic" thingy is important only to you -- not to Lance.You have not spoken honestly about Barth. I suspect this is a habit of yours -- speaking dishonestly of other's beliefs.C.S.L included. jd-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:02:00 -0800 (PST)Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ebert Roeper give the 'Lion, the witch and the wardrobe' two thumbs up
Lance likes him because he is so Catholic The mormons love him because he believed as they do in BECOMING a 'god'"Some people seem to think that I began by asking myself how I could say something about Christianity to children; then fixed on the fairy tale as an instrument; then collected information about child-psychology and decided what age group I'd write for; then drew up a list of basic Christian truths and hammered out 'allegories' to embody them. This is all pure moonshine. I couldn't write in that way at all. Everything began with images; a faun carrying an umbrella, a queen on a sledge, a magnificent lion. At first there
wasn't even anything Christian about them; that element pushed itself in of its own accord" (Of Other Worlds, p. 36).http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/lewis/general.htm Lewis termed himself "very Catholic" -- his prayers for the dead, belief in purgatory, and rejection of the literal resurrection of the body are serious deviations from Biblical Christianity (C.S. Lewis: A Biography, p. 234); he even went to a priest for regular confession (p. 198), and received the sacrament of extreme unction on 7/16/63 (p. 301). His contention that some pagans may "belong to Christ without knowing it" is a destructive heresy (Mere Christianity, pp. 176-177), as was his statement that "Christ fulfils both Paganism and Judaism ..." (Reflections on the Psalms, p. 129). Lewis believed that we're to become "gods," an apparent affirmation of theistic evolution. He also believed the Book of Job is "unhistorical" (Reflections on the Psalms, pp. 110), and that the Bible contained "error" (pp. 110, 112) and is not divinely inspired (The Inklings, p. 175). Lewis used profanities, told bawdy stories, and frequently got drunk with his students (5/19/90, World magazine). Christians need to read more critically The Abolition of Man, The Problem of Pain, Miracles, The Great Divorce, and God in the Dock. For example, Lewis never believed in a
literal hell, but instead believed hell is a state of mind one chooses to possess and become -- he wrote, "... every shutting-up of the creature within the dungeon of its own mind is, in the end, Hell" (The Great Divorce, p. 65)....Q: Speaking just as a layman, it seems to me that the "theology" you get out of THE CHRONICLES OF NARNIA, THE GREAT DIVORCE, THE SCREWTAPE LETTERS is Orthodox. I was recently rereading THE SCREWTAPE

Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

2005-12-07 Thread Kevin Deegan

And he had the SCRIPTURES which R ABLE: And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christine is mature spiritually whatever her age Timothy was not discipled by Paul - it was his mother and grandmother who raised him in the
scriptures (2 Tim 1:5; 3:15-17) Christine has a mother and father who raised her and taught her the same way. Selah!!On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:28:02 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:With great ease and conviction of heart.Christine is a kid . Timothy was discipled by Paul. :-) jdFrom: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]Don't hold her in less esteem because of her age. Timothy was a pastor wasn't he? I see it the same way she does and I have children who are older than 20 something. You don't understand her POV JD Kevin is for the Truth. How can you argue with that???On Wed, 07 Dec 2005
10:03:03 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Nonsense - but as a 20 something, I understand you point of view. Putting poeple down is the subject matter of perhaps 95% of deegan's postings. Go refigure. jdFrom: Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]Kevin's criticisms are godly. You may disagree with them, I may choose to make a more moderate approach to them, but
the truth is, we must learn to be wary to falsehoods and lies. I am starting to see that more and more Christians do not take things as seriously as they should. The feminism movement is an example of this. It may not have seemed to obvious to the church in the 1960s what this movement would produce, and I'm sure it didn't seem like such a powerful movement at first, so they chose not to take a stand. But so much of society's moral decay has stemmed from that movement: immodesty, the erroding of the family unit, the confusion of gender roles, the rise of moral relativism and humanism, the rise of sexual promescuity, etc.Kevin's "putting people down" as you say is not act of bitterness or pride, but out of passion for the Truth. This passionate support/disdain of Kevin's is so crucial, especially in the last days. We must also be passionate in our support or rejection of the different issues.Mat.
11:12And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your whole life's "ministry" is pretty much about putting people down. You have allies on this forum but no real brethren (except - possibly, Dean). I suspect that Lance "likes him" because he makes sense. The "Cathoilic" thingy is important only to you -- not to Lance.You have not spoken honestly about Barth. I suspect this is a habit of yours -- speaking dishonestly of other's beliefs.C.S.L included.
jd-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:02:00 -0800 (PST)Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ebert Roeper give the 'Lion, the witch and the wardrobe' two thumbs up Lance likes him because he is so Catholic The mormons love him because he believed as they do in BECOMING a 'god'"Some people seem to think that I began by asking myself how I could say something about Christianity to children; then fixed on the fairy tale as an instrument; then collected information about child-psychology and decided what age group I'd write for; then drew up a list of basic Christian truths and hammered out 'allegories' to embody them. This is all pure moonshine. I couldn't write in that way at all. Everything began with images; a faun carrying an umbrella, a queen on a sledge, a magnificent lion. At first there wasn't even anything Christian about them; that element pushed itself in of its own accord" (Of Other Worlds, p.
36).http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/lewis/general.htm Lewis termed himself "very Catholic" -- his prayers for the dead, belief in purgatory, and rejection of the literal resurrection of the body are serious deviations from Biblical Christianity (C.S. Lewis: A Biography, p. 234); he even went to a priest for regular confession (p. 198), and received the sacrament of extreme unction on 7/16/63 (p. 301). His contention that some pagans may "belong to Christ without knowing it" is a destructive heresy (Mere Christianity, pp. 176-177), as was his statement that "Christ fulfils both Paganism and Judaism ..." (Reflections on the Psalms,
p. 129). Lewis believed that we're to become "gods," an apparent affirmation of theistic evolution. He also believed the Book of Job is "unhistorical" (Reflections on the Psalms, pp. 110), and that the Bible contained "error" (pp. 110, 112) and is not divinely inspired (The Inklings, p. 175). Lewis used profanities, told bawdy stories, and frequently got drunk with his students (5/19/90, World magazine). Christians need to read more critically The Abolition of