[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
For me, this isn't fixed for Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
hdparm is contradicting itself in /usr/lib/pm-utils/power.d/95hdparm-apm (Using LMDE+UP5, kernel 3.2+45, hdparm 9.39-1+b1) $ head /usr/lib/pm-utils/power.d/95hdparm-apm #! /bin/sh # # This script adjusts hard drive APM settings using hdparm. The hardware # defaults (usually hdparm -B 127) cause excessive head load/unload cycles # on many modern hard drives. We therefore set hdparm -B 254 while on AC # power. On battery we set hdparm -B 127, because the head parking is # very useful for shock protection. # # Refactored from acpi-support's 90-hdparm.sh for pm-utils It is obviously confusing -B 127 (which permits spin-down) with APM (-B 128) permitting PM (including head-parking) but not spin-down. For instance, on my WD Scorpio Blue WD10JPVT, which had idle3 in its firmware modified from default 8sec to 180sec (3min) using `idle3ctl` (or wdidle3 in DOS!), I'm parking at an acceptable rate with the default PM level of 128, when on battery, without spin-downs, just as I wanted. # hdparm -I /dev/sda | grep Advanced Advanced power management level: 128 *Advanced Power Management feature set # hdparm -I /dev/sda | grep -i standby Standby timer values: spec'd by Standard, with device specific minimum -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
I wonder why you are not using by default laptop-mode in ubuntu instead of trying to hook hdparm rules here and there. I have switched to laptop-mode, set all values for hdparm -B to 254 and problem is gone. I have uncommented also in /etc/apm/event.d/20hdparm: APMD_DRIVES= Don't know if it is relevant. I am using xubuntu and I have unchecked in the power manager setting the spindown option, to let laptop-mode do the job. laptop-mode allow fine settings for many other things also, using it would simplify a lot power settings in ubuntu. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Dear any interested, I just found out that the hdparm -B and -S parameters were being overridden by the laptop_mode-tools. Whenever I put my laptop on battery after using it on AC, its hdparm values set at boot time are overridden by the settings inside the following file (if you have laptop_mode-tools installed, that is). I hope this will give insight to the devs to do something about this issue. I checked it myself by modifying BATT_HD_POWERMGMT from 1 to 128 and voila, it keeps its 128 value. Surely, the laptop_mode-tools is the place to fine tune the hdparm vales while on battery. an excerpt of: sudo gedit /etc/laptop-mode/laptop-mode.conf # # Idle timeout values. (hdparm -S) # Default is 2 hours on AC (NOLM_HD_IDLE_TIMEOUT_SECONDS=7200) and 20 seconds # for battery and for AC with laptop mode on. # LM_AC_HD_IDLE_TIMEOUT_SECONDS=20 LM_BATT_HD_IDLE_TIMEOUT_SECONDS=20 NOLM_HD_IDLE_TIMEOUT_SECONDS=7200 # Should laptop mode tools control the hard drive power management settings? # # Set to 0 to disable CONTROL_HD_POWERMGMT=auto # # Power management for HD (hdparm -B values) # BATT_HD_POWERMGMT=1 LM_AC_HD_POWERMGMT=254 NOLM_AC_HD_POWERMGMT=254 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:34:41AM -, Dagnachew L. wrote: I just found out that the hdparm -B and -S parameters were being overridden by the laptop_mode-tools. Oops. I knew this was a possibility - sorry for failing to mention it. laptop-mode-tools is not part of the standard stack, in part because it does work at cross-purposes with the existing hooks in hdparm. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
I can confirm that Start_Stop_Count doesn't increment any more, which is nice, but Load_Cycle_Count still increments by about 1-10 per minute. I set apm_battery = 254 in /etc/hdparm.conf now, which stops Load_Cycle_Count from incrementing, so that is fine. But isn't this the wrong solution? I guess it is a good idea to park the heads after some inactivity, wouldn't it be better to prevent Linux from writing to disk so frequently, causing the heads to be quickly unparked? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
The average laptop HD life can typically stand : ~ 40,000 - 60,000 disk spin-up ~ 600,000 - 800,000 heads load-unload cycles So it's quite normal (and desirable) that you load-unload heads much more frequently than you spin the disk. Furthermore loading heads is a matter of a fraction of a second, while spinning disk takes several seconds... Furthermore an HD with parked heads is much much more shock-proof than an HD with flying heads (some laptops HDs have a freefall sensor that automagically parks the heads when the disk is falling and before it crashes on the floor, but this is outside the scope of this bug ;-) so keeping the heads parked as much as possible makes sense, when talking about laptops that are subject to shocks and vibrations. So basically you need to divide the time you'd like your disk to live by 600,000 to determine the pace at which you would allow your heads to park, and by 40,000 to determine how often you'd like to allow your disk to spin down. Then take some safety margin ;-) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Sounds reasonable, and without wanting to turn this bug report into a discussion thread: Are there some interesting values for apm_battery between 128 and 254 to try out, to sort of find a good trade-off between lots of load cycles vs. heads never being parked? I googled without much success, it seems to be all or nothing. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 03:04:07PM -, Torsten Römer wrote: Sounds reasonable, and without wanting to turn this bug report into a discussion thread: Are there some interesting values for apm_battery between 128 and 254 to try out, to sort of find a good trade-off between lots of load cycles vs. heads never being parked? I googled without much success, it seems to be all or nothing. The meaning of these values is very implementation-dependent. As the hdparm(8) manpage says, 1-127 permit spin-down, and 128-254 do not permit spin-down; other than that, there's no requirement for different values to give different results, except that the lower the number the more aggressive the power management. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
For me everything works fine after the last update. Thank you -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
I might be missing something, apologies if i am, but I notice that for Precise a decision was made to define a value for -S, in /lib/hdparm /hdparm-functions, when on battery to -S36. From Dagnachewl's comment (70) it would seem that it's the defining of or value of -S that's still causing issues for some. For anyone who has already updated hdparm to version '9.37-ubuntu3.1' and still experiencing early spindowns I would try commenting out (by preceeding with #) or removing the line hdparm_set_option -S36 from /lib/hdparm/hdparm-functions. This should effectively revert hdparm- functions to pre-Precise settings - removing any spindown time. Steve: thanks for the update, works great for me! Maybe the wording of the change in the changelog needs updating. Instead of '...drives are spinning back up so frequently' shouldn't it be '...drives are spinning down so soon'? It's that the drive has spun down after only a few seconds of idle (with -B127 and -S36) that leads to it having to spin back up so frequently. thanks and best of luck all -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 08:20:42AM -, Neil Price wrote: I might be missing something, apologies if i am, but I notice that for Precise a decision was made to define a value for -S, in /lib/hdparm /hdparm-functions, when on battery to -S36. From Dagnachewl's comment (70) it would seem that it's the defining of or value of -S that's still causing issues for some. It's incredibly unlikely that this is the cause of the problems some people are still seeing. It's more likely that the affected users simply have problematic handling of -B128 - as Dagnachew's output in comment #55 shows, -B128 gives him Advanced power management level: 1. I'm not sure if this is in spec for the drives to do, but it's certainly unhelpful, and it seems the *only* way to reliably prevent spin up/spin down nonsense on some drives is to disable APM entirely with -B254. Fixing this is out of scope for the present bug report, which was about the behavior regression on non-green drives caused by the move from -B128 to -B127. So other issues are best addressed by separate bug reports. We'll need to gather a lot of information here before we dare making further changes - as I said earlier, there's no magic setting that will work correctly across all drives, so we need to be careful that as we tune things, we don't regress behavior for other users (either in terms of power savings or in terms of drive wear and tear). In the meantime, users who find that -B128 causes their disks to spin down too aggressively should probably just set apm_battery=254 in /etc/hdparm.conf. For anyone who has already updated hdparm to version '9.37-ubuntu3.1' and still experiencing early spindowns I would try commenting out (by preceeding with #) or removing the line hdparm_set_option -S36 from /lib/hdparm/hdparm-functions. This should effectively revert hdparm- functions to pre-Precise settings - removing any spindown time. Since -S36 is a spindown time of 3 minutes, I don't think this setting is related to the behavior users are seeing. If it *is*, then those drives are operating contrary to the spec and users should complain to their hardware vendors and demand firmware updates. Steve: thanks for the update, works great for me! Maybe the wording of the change in the changelog needs updating. Instead of '...drives are spinning back up so frequently' shouldn't it be '...drives are spinning down so soon'? No, that wording is deliberate. Ultimately, the real bug here is not that we're spinning the drives down; the bug is that we're unable to *keep* them spun down on a typical desktop. There's no justification for having to hit the disk any more frequently than once every 5-10 minutes on a default install, and the fact that we do is a bug. It might be a kernel bug, or an application bug, or a filesystem bug - it's difficult to say categorically because everyone's usage patterns seem to be different. But ultimately, the goal here should be to get better at our disk handling so that it doesn't matter that we're spinning the disk down. It's that the drive has spun down after only a few seconds of idle (with -B127 and -S36) that leads to it having to spin back up so frequently. If the drive is actually spinning down with -S36, rather than simply parking the heads, that's a firmware bug anyway. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Thanks Steve. The problem, as you said, might be coming from a combination of causes. I have tried all the numbers that are mentioned here and elsewhere but in vain. The only magic number that has worked so far while switching to battery mode, as I said earlier is: hdparm -B 128 -S 242 /dev/sda There seems to be confusion about the -B and -S options. There also seems another tool (may be laptop mode?) that changes these settings by overriding the hdparm settings. I got some hint about the above -S option from an old Fedora forum, which means the issue isn't that recent. It has been there for several years. It is a bit of a shame that a tool adopted universally by all Linux disros is causing such an issue for so long. Apparently, hdparm has lots of options, some of which very naughty if not cared for, but one important option seems faulty or messed up by something else. According to Google, this behavior has been reported in every distro forum since 2000-. Its behavior seems to change with kernel. Does acpid has a role here? This really needs further digging and shall not be left at this stage 'as solved'. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
sudo hdparm -B 128 -S 242 /dev/sda this seems to make my HD happy. no spinning, no nagging, excellent battery life (+5 hours) , ... But, i have to run the above at every boot.I tried putting that in /etc/rc.locale but no success. I can live with this at least for now, with the hope that someone will figure out what wrong is going on. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
I can confirm this bug with my Lenovo G560. Running latest Precise. The continuous hd restarts is annoying !!! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 05:22:13AM -, Dagnachew L. wrote: Thank you for the final release. In fact, I installed it earlier (just before it was removed for validation) and apt-get tells me that I have the latest release. If so, my problem,sadly, is not fixed by this release. I don't know What to do next with this critical problem. This patch restores the behavior from previous Ubuntu releases. Unfortunately, there are definitely some newer, green drives that behave poorly even with the previous behavior. This isn't something that can be fixed with a general-purpose SRU, because there currently is no single setting that's appropriate for all users. The only thing I can advise is that you set your apm_battery value even higher - possibly even to 254 - if you're concerned about the wear on the drive. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Steve,
My problem is, whatever number I set for apm_battery in /etc/hdparm.conf, it
gets reset to: Advanced power management level: 1
at reboot. It shows: Advanced power management level: 255 when on AC power.
This is what I have in the conf file:
/dev/sda {
apm = 255
apm_battery = 128
}
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[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Thank you for the final release. In fact, I installed it earlier (just before it was removed for validation) and apt-get tells me that I have the latest release. If so, my problem,sadly, is not fixed by this release. I don't know What to do next with this critical problem. I noticed in the developer's site that there is a newer version (9.39), I don't know if that may solve the issue but ... -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
This bug was fixed in the package hdparm - 9.37-0ubuntu3.1 --- hdparm (9.37-0ubuntu3.1) precise-proposed; urgency=low * debian/hdparm-functions, debian/95hdparm-apm: set our spindown policy back to -B128 instead of -B127. Too many drives misbehave too badly with this setting, possibly leading to drive failure. We should revisit this once we understand why people's drives are spinning back *up* so frequently. LP: #952556. -- Steve Langasek steve.langa...@ubuntu.com Mon, 30 Apr 2012 23:04:05 -0700 ** Changed in: hdparm (Ubuntu Precise) Status: Fix Committed = Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
this will be automatically marked 'fix released' when published to precise-updates, and should not be so marked until then. ** Changed in: hdparm (Ubuntu Precise) Status: Fix Released = Fix Committed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Sorry Steve. I was just checking and clicked on it inadvertently. But, I was surprised that I (a no dev member) could modify it. I am still hoping that the release will fix my persistent and annoying HD issue. Best -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
** Changed in: hdparm (Ubuntu Precise) Status: Fix Committed = Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/precise-proposed/hdparm -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Danachew, yes, we have a 7 day minimum waiting period to shake out any unintentional regressions. The fix should progress to -updates on or around May 9. It may be delayed a bit, as most (all?) of the SRU team members will be attending the Ubuntu Development Summit next week. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
OK, thanks Clint, Enjoy the summit. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
tags:added: verification-done removed: verification-needed Does that mean that we have to wait till it is released after verification? Good luck! and thank you for being on top of this. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Hello Swâmi, or anyone else affected, Accepted hdparm into precise-proposed. The package will build now and be available in a few hours. Please test and give feedback here. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed for documentation how to enable and use -proposed. Thank you in advance! ** Changed in: hdparm (Ubuntu Precise) Status: In Progress = Fix Committed ** Tags added: verification-needed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
@ Dagnachew, Swami, Steve: I've noticed that in Dagnachew's output the power management has changed to 1 while his acoustic management setting is 128 after changing etc/hdparm.conf. My disk is still spinning down after adding apm_battery=128. Can it be that some disks interpret a power management setting mistakenly as acoustic management or both? My current, abridged hdparm -I: ... Capabilities: LBA, IORDY(can be disabled) Queue depth: 32 Standby timer values: spec'd by Standard, no device specific minimum R/W multiple sector transfer: Max = 16 Current = 16 Advanced power management level: 128 Recommended acoustic management value: 254, current value: 0 DMA: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 udma5 *udma6 Cycle time: min=120ns recommended=120ns PIO: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4 Cycle time: no flow control=120ns IORDY flow control=120ns ... Any ideas? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Hi Martin, Thank you. I just installed it after adding ubuntu-proposed to my 'software sources' and running: sudo apt-get update sudo aptitude install hdparm/precise-proposed I accepted to install hdparm v9.37ubuntu3.1 sudo reboot dd@dd01:~$ sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda | grep power management Advanced power management level: 1 *Host-initiated interface power management *Device-initiated interface power management Still spinning -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
If that helps, the spinning seems less aggressive while on iGPU mode: I have currently AMD Catalyst 12.4 installed on my machine dd@dd01:~$ sudo aticonfig --px-list-active-gpu PowerXpress: Integrated GPU is active (Power-Saving mode) The spin becomes more frequent when on the dedicated graphics card (dGPU) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
** Changed in: hdparm (Ubuntu Precise) Status: Fix Committed = Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
** Changed in: hdparm (Ubuntu Precise) Status: Fix Released = Fix Committed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Hi! I just reverted my hdparm.conf to default and updated hdparm from precise-proposed. Results: no more spin-up sounds while on battery in ~45 minutes of testing. I had various spin-ups every minute before, so the patch works for me (APM level is correctly set to 128 by default). (See my comment above for information on my drive if you need it) Thanks for fixing! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
** Tags removed: verification-needed ** Tags added: verification-done -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
** Also affects: hdparm (Ubuntu Precise) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Also affects: hdparm (Ubuntu Quantal) Importance: High Assignee: Steve Langasek (vorlon) Status: Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
This bug was fixed in the package hdparm - 9.37-0ubuntu4 --- hdparm (9.37-0ubuntu4) quantal; urgency=low * debian/hdparm-functions, debian/95hdparm-apm: set our spindown policy back to -B128 instead of -B127. Too many drives misbehave too badly with this setting, possibly leading to drive failure. We should revisit this once we understand why people's drives are spinning back *up* so frequently. LP: #952556. -- Steve Langasek steve.langa...@ubuntu.com Mon, 30 Apr 2012 23:04:05 -0700 ** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/hdparm ** Changed in: hdparm (Ubuntu Quantal) Status: Confirmed = Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
** Changed in: hdparm (Ubuntu Precise) Status: New = In Progress ** Changed in: hdparm (Ubuntu Precise) Importance: Undecided = High ** Changed in: hdparm (Ubuntu Precise) Assignee: (unassigned) = Steve Langasek (vorlon) ** Changed in: hdparm (Ubuntu Precise) Milestone: None = ubuntu-12.04.1 ** Changed in: hdparm (Ubuntu Quantal) Milestone: ubuntu-12.04 = None ** Changed in: hdparm (Ubuntu Quantal) Status: Fix Released = In Progress -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
** Description changed: + [Impact] + This issue has the potential to cause additional mechanical wear and tear on rotational hard drives by causing them to spin up and down more frequently than in previous Ubuntu releases. While the intent of a development change in the precise cycle was to allow drives to spin down sooner and stay spun down, in practice users report their drives spin back up quickly. Until this is resolved, an aggressive spin-down policy is dangerous for hardware and inappropriate. + + [Test Case] + 1. On a laptop with a rotational hard drive, unplug main power and run on battery. + 2. Run sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda|grep Load_Cycle_Count repeatedly, to observe that the count increases once every few seconds. + 3. Install hdparm from precise-proposed. + 4. Plug the laptop back into main power, then unplug it again. + 5. Run the command from step 2 again. Observe that the count is no longer increasing or is increasing much more slowly. (Note that the precise behavior will vary from hard drive to hard drive, and on some systems there will be no difference visible at all.) + + [Regression Potential] + For some users the current setting does not meaningfully increase wear and tear on their drives, but changing it will increase power consumption. This seems to be a necessary evil since there's no single power saving setting that works well for all drives. + + Hi, After update from Oneiric to Precise Beta 1, kernel 3.2.0-18-generic, I notice that, when on battery, my Dell XPS M1330 laptop has its HD spin down, then restart, very, very, very often, which means several times per minute. At this pace the HD won't live long, and this reminds to me a problem we had few years ago with disk killers linuxes that were unloading/reloading the HD heads much too often, killing disks in a couple of months. So I prefer to ring the alarm bell early... Upgrading from Oneiric to Precise I didn't change any power management parameter, but it definitely didn't do this before (and still doesn't do this on other distros I have on multiboot, so that's no hardware issue, only Precise does that on my machine...) ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 12.04 Package: linux-image-3.2.0-18-generic 3.2.0-18.28 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.2.0-18.28-generic 3.2.9 Uname: Linux 3.2.0-18-generic i686 AlsaVersion: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.24. ApportVersion: 1.94.1-0ubuntu2 Architecture: i386 AudioDevicesInUse: - USERPID ACCESS COMMAND - /dev/snd/controlC0: michel 3044 F pulseaudio + USERPID ACCESS COMMAND + /dev/snd/controlC0: michel 3044 F pulseaudio CRDA: - country FR: - (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20) - (5170 - 5250 @ 40), (N/A, 20) - (5250 - 5330 @ 40), (N/A, 20), DFS - (5490 - 5710 @ 40), (N/A, 27), DFS + country FR: + (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20) + (5170 - 5250 @ 40), (N/A, 20) + (5250 - 5330 @ 40), (N/A, 20), DFS + (5490 - 5710 @ 40), (N/A, 27), DFS Card0.Amixer.info: - Card hw:0 'Intel'/'HDA Intel at 0xf6dfc000 irq 46' -Mixer name : 'Silicon Image SiI1392 HDMI' -Components : 'HDA:83847616,1028020a,00100201 HDA:10951392,1028020a,0010' -Controls : 33 -Simple ctrls : 19 + Card hw:0 'Intel'/'HDA Intel at 0xf6dfc000 irq 46' + Mixer name : 'Silicon Image SiI1392 HDMI' + Components : 'HDA:83847616,1028020a,00100201 HDA:10951392,1028020a,0010' + Controls : 33 + Simple ctrls : 19 CheckboxSubmission: 1ea6109db29b53f721a523a77b7f3abf CheckboxSystem: d00f84de8a555815fa1c4660280da308 Date: Sun Mar 11 22:25:00 2012 EcryptfsInUse: Yes HibernationDevice: RESUME=UUID=0e7ded16-c4fc-4f81-8562-3cb1196809d3 InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Lucid Lynx - Release i386 (20100429) MachineType: Dell Inc. XPS M1330 ProcEnviron: - LANGUAGE=fr_FR:fr:en_US:en - TERM=xterm - PATH=(custom, user) - LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 - SHELL=/bin/bash + LANGUAGE=fr_FR:fr:en_US:en + TERM=xterm + PATH=(custom, user) + LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 + SHELL=/bin/bash ProcFB: 0 inteldrmfb ProcKernelCmdLine: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-3.2.0-18-generic root=/dev/mapper/VG1-UBUNTU ro clocksource=hpet quiet splash vt.handoff=7 RelatedPackageVersions: - linux-restricted-modules-3.2.0-18-generic N/A - linux-backports-modules-3.2.0-18-generic N/A - linux-firmware1.71 + linux-restricted-modules-3.2.0-18-generic N/A + linux-backports-modules-3.2.0-18-generic N/A + linux-firmware1.71 SourcePackage: linux UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to precise on 2012-03-10 (1 days ago) dmi.bios.date: 12/26/2008 dmi.bios.vendor: Dell Inc. dmi.bios.version: A15 dmi.board.name: 0N6705 dmi.board.vendor: Dell Inc. dmi.chassis.type: 8 dmi.chassis.vendor: Dell Inc. dmi.modalias:
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Swâmi, in the case of your Toshiba laptop, can you confirm whether running 'hdparm -B 127' actually sets the level to 127? I'm wondering whether the drives where people are still seeing problems have an issue similar to what Ville describes in comment #42, where the APM setting is actually being rounded down by the drive. In the short term we'll set it back to 128 across the board; but in the longer term, if this actually comes down to drives rounding down, and we can detect that, it would be nice to switch back to 127 again and only use 128 for those drives that can't handle 127. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
** Changed in: hdparm (Ubuntu Quantal) Status: In Progress = Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
@Steve : (#50) root@tethys:/etc# hdparm -I /dev/sda | grep power management level Advanced power management level: 128 root@tethys:/etc# hdparm -B 127 /dev/sda /dev/sda: setting Advanced Power Management level to 0x7f (127) APM_level = 127 root@tethys:/etc# hdparm -I /dev/sda | grep power management level Advanced power management level: 127 root@tethys:/etc# hdparm -B 128 /dev/sda /dev/sda: setting Advanced Power Management level to 0x80 (128) APM_level = 128 root@tethys:/etc# hdparm -I /dev/sda | grep power management level Advanced power management level: 128 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
root@tethys:/etc# hdparm -I /dev/sda | more /dev/sda: ATA device, with non-removable media Model Number: SAMSUNG HN-M101MBB Serial Number: S2RQJ9BB704375 Firmware Revision: 2AR10001 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
(Additionally I first reported this issue running the same HD in a Dell XPS M1330 ; I then replaced my computer but just dropped my existing Samsung HD in my new Toshiba machine. Although the Toshiba BIOS behaves completely differently from the Dell one [read : not as well] and especially on power management issues, however the HD behaviour, withe respect to hdparm -B, has remained exactly the same.) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 06:42:09AM -, Swâmi Petaramesh wrote: root@tethys:/etc# hdparm -B 127 /dev/sda /dev/sda: setting Advanced Power Management level to 0x7f (127) APM_level= 127 root@tethys:/etc# hdparm -I /dev/sda | grep power management level Advanced power management level: 127 Ok, thanks for checking. It may still be worth fixing the code to check that the apm setting has taken, but that evidently won't be enough to solve this problem for everyone. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
after setting apm_battery=128 in my /etc/hdparm.conf
as well as in /lib/hdparm/hdparm-functions:
if hdparm_is_on_battery; then
hdparm_set_option -B128
Here is what I get with sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda
Advanced power management level: 1
Complete log: apparently, same HD as Swâmi Petaramesh above
/dev/sda:
ATA device, with non-removable media
Model Number: SAMSUNG HN-M101MBB
Serial Number: S2RQJ9ABB07710
Firmware Revision: 2AR10001
Transport: Serial, ATA8-AST, SATA 1.0a, SATA II Extensions,
SATA Rev 2.5, SATA Rev 2.6, SATA Rev 3.0
Standards:
Used: unknown (minor revision code 0x0028)
Supported: 8 7 6 5
Likely used: 8
Configuration:
Logical max current
cylinders 16383 16383
heads 16 1
sectors/track 63 63
--
CHS current addressable sectors:1032129
LBAuser addressable sectors: 268435455
LBA48 user addressable sectors: 1953525168
Logical Sector size: 512 bytes
Physical Sector size: 4096 bytes
Logical Sector-0 offset: 0 bytes
device size with M = 1024*1024: 953869 MBytes
device size with M = 1000*1000: 1000204 MBytes (1000 GB)
cache/buffer size = 8192 KBytes
Form Factor: 2.5 inch
Nominal Media Rotation Rate: 5400
Capabilities:
LBA, IORDY(can be disabled)
Queue depth: 32
Standby timer values: spec'd by Standard, no device specific minimum
R/W multiple sector transfer: Max = 16 Current = 16
Advanced power management level: 1
Recommended acoustic management value: 254, current value: 128
DMA: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 udma5 *udma6
Cycle time: min=120ns recommended=120ns
PIO: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
Cycle time: no flow control=120ns IORDY flow control=120ns
Commands/features:
Enabled Supported:
*SMART feature set
Security Mode feature set
*Power Management feature set
*Write cache
*Look-ahead
*Host Protected Area feature set
*WRITE_BUFFER command
*READ_BUFFER command
*NOP cmd
*DOWNLOAD_MICROCODE
*Advanced Power Management feature set
Power-Up In Standby feature set
*SET_FEATURES required to spinup after power up
SET_MAX security extension
*Automatic Acoustic Management feature set
*48-bit Address feature set
*Device Configuration Overlay feature set
*Mandatory FLUSH_CACHE
*FLUSH_CACHE_EXT
*SMART error logging
*SMART self-test
*General Purpose Logging feature set
*64-bit World wide name
*IDLE_IMMEDIATE with UNLOAD
*WRITE_UNCORRECTABLE_EXT command
*{READ,WRITE}_DMA_EXT_GPL commands
*Segmented DOWNLOAD_MICROCODE
*Gen1 signaling speed (1.5Gb/s)
*Gen2 signaling speed (3.0Gb/s)
*Native Command Queueing (NCQ)
*Host-initiated interface power management
*Phy event counters
*Idle-Unload when NCQ is active
*NCQ priority information
*DMA Setup Auto-Activate optimization
*Device-initiated interface power management
*Software settings preservation
*SMART Command Transport (SCT) feature set
*SCT Long Sector Access (AC1)
*SCT LBA Segment Access (AC2)
*SCT Error Recovery Control (AC3)
*SCT Features Control (AC4)
*SCT Data Tables (AC5)
Security:
Master password revision code = 65534
supported
not enabled
not locked
frozen
not expired: security count
supported: enhanced erase
210min for SECURITY ERASE UNIT. 210min for ENHANCED SECURITY ERASE UNIT.
Logical Unit WWN Device Identifier: 50024e920670e1bf
NAA : 5
IEEE OUI: 0024e9
Unique ID : 20670e1bf
Checksum: correct
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[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Confirming bug for Samsung NB30 netbook (HD Samsung HM250HI), Precise 12.04 latest, hdparm 9.37-0ubuntu3 does NOT fixes the bug! apm_battery=255 fixed it for me, but there are still a lot of users who can first think their HD is broken and needs to be replaced, as I thought at first. Hardware-killing bug, so much time since this bug was discovered, and no working fix yet :( Additionnal info about the bug: If netbook is working on battery, even after rebooting and entering BIOS Setup (or booting some HDD utility from flash drive, for example) HD still spins down automatically after a few seconds of inactivity, either netbook is on battery or AC power already. But if I attach my netbook's HD to another machine, HD works fine. I mean what Ubuntu's power management is somehow programmed into hardware (not HDD; BIOS?), and it will spindown HD even when you are not working under Ubuntu 12.04 any more! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
The bug has been know and reported for a month and a half. It's critical. It's one of the few bugs that can - and will - kill hardware. The cause is known. The solution has been found, tested and confirmed. Yet a LTS has been released with this critical bug and the fix is still not released. This is exactly the kind of thing that make me completely lose confidence is a distribution, its developpers, and its QA system. What is the purpose of bug reports, if critical bugs duly reported, with a found and tested solution, do not result in a very quick and responsive fix release. Not even amateur job :-( -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
This issue is driving me crazy. I tried Setting apm_battery = 128 in /etc/hdparm.conf and it seemed to work for a while and starts the same issue again. I don't want to keep on trying options for fear of damaging my 1TB HD on my Samsung Chronos 7 laptop, that would be too much. On the extreme side, this is the kind of thing that makes people shy away from Linux. The problem has been known to be there for a while, so why not fix this imminently important issue, more important than UNITY, my two cents. If I can't use my laptop (which is supposed to give me 5+ hours battery life) on battery mode, what would be the reason for spending so much money on it and so much time on Linux. I say all this, because I Love Linux/Ubuntu and want to use it everyday. So, please fix this or at least tell us what to do so we don't end up damaging our HD. I know Ubuntu comes under 'Absolutely No Warranty ...' Thank you. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
The above two comments were written at the same time independently. This just shows the frustration that most are experiencing. Some may not even notice it up until their HD is dead, what a shame that would be. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Adding apm_battery = 128 to /etc/hdparm.conf solves the problem also on my old BenQ notebook - thanks for providing this solution! I can say that also I am sometimes very frustrated about these kind of bugs, that seem to come back ever so often after getting fixed. But there is this great community - it didn't even take me 5 minutes to find a solution. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Maybe this depends more on the hard disk than the actual laptop/system? I unplugged the power, then while doing nothing listened for the disk's powerdown. It happened after about 15 seconds, which I think shouldn't happen given the default values (-B is at 127, -S at 36, which would mean 3 minutes before spindown). I have Precise with hdparm 9.37-0ubuntu3. The system is a Samsung QX410, the hard disk is reported by hdparm as a SAMSUNG HM641JI. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
A related issue here, I have a Samsung HS122JC in my Dell D430, and after updating to XUbuntu 12.04, I noticed that the HD started surging on battery power. Basically it spins up a bit faster for a while and the drive LED on the laptop glows solid for a moment while everything hangs, then it frees itself and resumes operation. I messed around a bit, then noticed in the PM logs that you're setting the APM_Level to 127 on battery, but my HD only knows of 1, 128 and 254. Depending on what you set using hdparm -B, the drive rounds it down to the lower number. Setting it to 127 rounds the APM_Level to 1 and the drive starts doing these interesting things. Looking in the hdparm package's change log (and my pm-powersave.log), it seems you guys used 128 up until 11.10, and that's why it happened to work with my drive. I set apm_battery = 128 in /etc/hdparm.conf and am happy again. I wonder what APM_Level = 1 really means to this drive.. Doesn't seem like a power saving mode in any case, more like a super high performance mode that somehow doesn't quite work (due to the hangs). The drive itself reports what the level ended up being, so perhaps you guys might want to fix this by testing it in the package's install script. If the drive won't go to 127, then see if 128 still works and preconfigure /etc/hdparm.conf? Here's some log snippets. AC - Battery -- Running hook /usr/lib/pm-utils/power.d/95hdparm-apm true: /dev/sda: setting Advanced Power Management level to 0x7f (127) APM_level = 1 /usr/lib/pm-utils/power.d/95hdparm-apm true: success. -- Battery - AC -- Running hook /usr/lib/pm-utils/power.d/95hdparm-apm false: /dev/sda: setting Advanced Power Management level to 0xfe (254) APM_level = 254 /usr/lib/pm-utils/power.d/95hdparm-apm false: success. -- -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Can confirm these very frequent (~10 seconds) spinups as well. Setting apm_battery = 128 in /etc/hdparm.conf as a workaround works very fine. This is a Samsung 300E laptop with a SAMSUNG HM641JI harddisk. Attaching the output of hdparm -I /dev/sda (with apm_battery=128 set) if that helps. Anything else I can provide to help? ** Attachment added: hdparm -I output https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+attachment/3103196/+files/hdparminfo.txt -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Forgot to mention: using Lubuntu i386 Precise from tuesday. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
I can confirm this bug with my Thinkpad X200s. Running latest Precise. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
@Andreas : If you don't wan't your disk to ever spin down, it should be enough to add apm_battery = 128 in /etc/hdparm.conf It won't fix this bug, bug that will be a perfect workaround for you ;-) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
I can confirm that hdparm (9.37-0ubuntu3) indeed didn't fix the issue on Toshiba Laptops; model here is a Satellite C660 with a Seagate Momentus XT 500 GB hybrid HD. The drive is powercycling approximately 3 times per minute on battery and, funnily enough, also when the AC is connected AND the battery is fully charged. So it seems that the AC adapter is only detected while it's charging the battery, not when it's supplying the power. Nevertheless I have a (very probably quite embarrassing) problem here: The only item not commented out in my etc/hdparg.config is 'quiet'. Nothing else seems to have been set, or am I missing something here? As I would be quite happy with not spinning down the HD at all, can I just add 'hdparm -B254' at the end? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
** Tags removed: kernel-key -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Just to add my 2 cents worth, I'm concerned that there are a class of green drives out there on the market where hdparm -B 255 is the only way to ensure they don't excessively impact the Load_Cycle_Count, for example: WD20EADS, WD20EARS, WD15EADS, WD15EARS, WD10EADS, WD10EARS, WD8000AARS, WD7500AADS, WD7500AARS, WD6400AADS, WD6400AARS, WD5000AADS, WD5000AARS References: http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=51401 http://wdc.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5357 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
I've filed a separate bug 969165 for the WD drives. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
About the issue with the Toshiba L735-101 (needing at least -B 128 otherwise the disk spins down every few seconds even with latest patches), this might be related to the fact that Linux has hard times - probably an issue with Toshiba BIOS - to find out whether the system is on AC or battery: sometimes the battery isn't displayed, the machine never goes to slip when lid is closed but can be sent to sleep forcibly by menu, the vision that Linux has about the AC/battery status changes once the AC adapter has been plugged then unplugged etc. In this situation I assume that the hdparm script may not be able to determine what set of parameters it should use (AC/battery/whatever). But I believe that even in such limit conditions, we should take any provisions to not use any parameters that could possibly result in a damage to the hardware. That definitely doesn't compare with saving a few milliamps for gaining a small % of battery duration on most systems that it wouldn't break... -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
** Changed in: hdparm (Ubuntu) Milestone: ubuntu-12.04-beta-2 = ubuntu-12.04 ** Tags added: rls-mgr-p-tracking -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
** Changed in: hdparm (Ubuntu) Status: Fix Released = Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Unfortunately the fix is not enough on Toshiba L735-101 (that's a new kind of system I've been testing it on) : The disk keeps on spinning down every few seconds unless apm_battery = 128 is specified in hdparm.conf. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/hdparm -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
** Changed in: hdparm (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = In Progress ** Changed in: hdparm (Ubuntu) Assignee: Canonical Foundations Team (canonical-foundations) = Steve Langasek (vorlon) ** This bug is no longer flagged as a security vulnerability -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
This bug was fixed in the package hdparm - 9.37-0ubuntu3 --- hdparm (9.37-0ubuntu3) precise; urgency=low * debian/hdparm-functions: if we're going to set -B127 on battery, we should also set a sane (not too low) spindown time, to avoid wearing out disks. LP: #952556. -- Steve Langasek steve.langa...@ubuntu.com Sat, 24 Mar 2012 03:06:35 -0700 ** Changed in: hdparm (Ubuntu) Status: In Progress = Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Hi, Just wanted to throw some analysis into this bug report. It's take me ~30+ hours of running tests to gather this data, so apologies if this comes late in the day once the fix has been committed :-/ I've measured Spin Start/Stop counts on a HP Mini netbook measuring the start/stop count during 30 minutes of idle time for various settings of the spindown time. I ran these tests for hdparm -B 127 and also hdparm -B 128, and each test was ran twice to calculate an average and std.deviation. I also used a precision 6 digit multimeter and measured power consumption for each run to measure the impact of the various spindown times. Attached is an LibreOffice spreadsheet with the data and some graphs. No big surprises in the data - as the spintime increases we reduce the number of start/stops over the 30 minute idle time and also we see power consumption increasing since we are using more power to keep the drive spinning. The interesting thing to take from the data is the fact that the power savings between 60 seconds spindown time and 600 seconds are ~10-15 mA which is about ~3% of the total power consumption. So probably a good compromise is ~2-3 minutes spindown time for an idle system. I'd like to repeat this with a more modern laptop and larger HDD, but alas my x220i is away for repair this week. ** Attachment added: hdparm spindown time analysis https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+attachment/2930971/+files/hdparm-spin-time-analysis.ods -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Thanks for the great bug fix guys :-) 3 minutes seems to be a very good default choice as far as I'm concerned. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
@Steve #27 : Of course the counter for disk spin-ups is 4 Start_Stop_Count and not 193 Load_Cycle_Count, which is the counter for heads load/park. I've edited (on my EeePC 1005PE) /etc/hdparm.conf and removed the explicit setting for apm_battery which I had previously put, but specified instead spindown_time = 36 (3 minutes). I then rebooted my machine, and checked (using hdparm -I) that I now have « Advanced power management level: 127 » on my HD. I then left the machine alone for 10 minutes and checked the counters before and after : 4 Start_Stop_Count : No change 193 Load_Cycle_Count: +14 The 2nd one looks reasonable and is not an issue, as the disk can handle much more heads load/unload (typically 600,000 - 800,000) than it can stand start/stops (typically 40,000 - 50,000) - theoretically... I would assume to get comparable results on my other machines, all of them having more or less the same disk behaviour, however both their brands and models are completely different. So my advice would be that Ubuntu *may* use a battery default disk apm value of 127, but then *MUST* make sure that the disk gets a default spindown_time value which is never less than a couple minutes. My advice would be something between 3 and 5 minutes. Otherwise we're gonna destroy laptops HDs. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
I first used my ears, that told me that the disk was spinning down then up etc... On one of my machines the disk is loud enough to be clearly noticeable. Then I used smartctl -A /dev/sda to check the (4) Start_Stop_Count raw value over time, that's the HD's number of starts/stops in its lifetime. And that's increasing... Checking disk's SMART attributes in Gnome Disk Utility shows the same results. I just could check 2 of my laptops this morning : laptop-mode-tools is installed on neither of them. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
@Colin : I just tried sudo pm-powersave off on my Asus EeePC 1005PE (after having applied latest updates and rebooted, kernel 3.2.0-19-generic). It doesn't bring any improvement. I'm still getting about 1 HD start/stop per minute, system doing absolutely nothing and not even connected to the Internet. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
@Swâmi, I've tried to reproduce this on a few machines with no luck as yet. Just to eliminate any misbehaving application that may be doing writes (and possibly) causing this problem can you do the following: sudo apt-get install fatrace sudo apt-get install powertop-1.13 sudo power-usage-report report.log and attach report.log to the bug report. Thanks! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
** Tags added: kernel-key ** Tags added: kernel-da-key -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Hi Colin, I'll perform the checks you suggest, however I doubt the issue is caused by apps performing unwanted writes (I assume that the disk restarting every minute be related to cron activity or so...) as I feel that the issue is not with the disk restarting, but with the disk stopping much too soon (I've actually heard it spin down only some seconds after having been accessed, which is definitely unwanted). I'll attach the resquest log soon. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
@Swâmi, I'm suspecting it may be that Precise is doing less disk activity now that we've worked on fixing a bunch of applications + daemons that were causing a load of (frequent) unnecessary writes. I wonder if the hdparm setting in /lib/hdparm/hdparm-functions when running battery is too aggressive. As an experiment, can you edit /etc/hdparm.conf and after the line: #apm = 255 add apm_battery = 255 and see if this reduces the start/stops (it should do). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Attached the requested power-usage-report output from my EeePC 1005PE, per Colin's request. I have left my machine alone for 4 minutes wihtout any active network connection and not touching anything, while generating this. System freshly booted, no running apps except for a logged in user and default system daemons. At the end of these 4 minutes, my HD start/stop counter showed an increase of +3. ** Attachment added: power-usage-report output taken from my EeePC 1005PE https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/952556/+attachment/2904235/+files/report.log -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
After I added apm_battery = 255 to hdparm.conf per Colin's request, and rebooted my system, logged in then left it alone for 10 minutes, the HD's start/stop count DOESN'T INCREASE ANYMORE. So this is effectively a quick dirty fix. hdparm -I confirms : « Advanced power management level: disabled » However disabling it completely doesn't sound like the best solution, it might be better to leave *some* HD power management active, but with values that doesn't allow the disk to spin down every so often ! man hdparm suggests that -B values = 128 do not allow spindown, while -S values allow setting the desired timeout precisely. So aggressive values that allow a disk to spin down after a couple of seconds should never be a default ! And upgrading from Oneiric to precise made this happen... :-/ Checking /lib/hdparm/hdparm-functions shows that battery -B default is 127 (spindown allowed). That is not necessarily wrong, but should probably be followed by something by -S36 (that makes spindown after 3 minutes of inactivity) or no less than -S24 (would be 2 minutes), while I see no default value for -S ?! A typical Linux machine usually accesses disks at least once a minute (unless laptop-mode tools are in use and syslogs are delayed, etc...) so spinning a disk down in a shorter amount of time really risks causing an undesired and disk-killing behaviour... -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Checking the values in /lib/hdparm/hdparm-functions on a Linux Mint 12 (dual-boot installed on my EeePC), Mint 12 being based on Ubuntu Oneiric. The default battery mode value for -B is 128 instead of 127 on Ubuntu Precise. So it seems that this shift from 128 to 127, allowing disk spindown (much much much too often), has serious and undesired consequences on all of my 3 laptops... -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Checking same value on a Bodhi Linux (based on Ubuntu 10.04), it was -B 128 also, and I use Bodhi on 2 of my laptops without disks issues either... -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
@Swâmi, Thanks for following up with some useful data. I think a 2-3 minute setting for -S is sane. Since this isn't a kernel bug, I will re-assign it. ** Package changed: linux (Ubuntu) = hdparm (Ubuntu) ** Changed in: hdparm (Ubuntu) Milestone: None = ubuntu-12.04-beta-2 ** Changed in: hdparm (Ubuntu) Assignee: Colin King (colin-king) = (unassigned) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
** Changed in: hdparm (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Canonical Foundations Team (canonical-foundations) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Hi, On my Dell XPS M1330, it's enough to specify apm_battery = 128 in /etc/hdparm.conf to solve the issue. That's the old value... So I confirm that this parameter was the cause of the issue on 2 machines, and the fix fixes it on both. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 06:15:57PM -, Swâmi Petaramesh wrote: On my Dell XPS M1330, it's enough to specify apm_battery = 128 in /etc/hdparm.conf to solve the issue. That's the old value... So I confirm that this parameter was the cause of the issue on 2 machines, and the fix fixes it on both. However, that's not a proper fix because apm_battery = 128 is not guaranteed to spin the disk down when idle; 127 is the first value that enforces spin-down. We can set a default spindown_time value to make sure we're not spinning down unless the disk is idle for, say, 2 minutes, but I'm not positive this actually corresponds to Load_Cycle_Count anyway which is supposed to be about head parking rather than actual disk powerdown. Could you test whether you see a difference in the load count if you keep apm_battery at 127 but set spindown_time to 24 in /etc/hdparm.conf? Ultimately, the reason that apm_battery is set to 127 is because when on battery, we want to spin down the disk for power savings. But the only effect the above changes will have is to prevent the disk spinning down at all, and that's because something is hammering your disk and preventing it from staying asleep. You may want to use the fatrace tool to examine the causes of this, because those are the bugs that *really* should be fixed. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Hi Steve, I'll try and give it a shot (not tonight) ; however, in 15+ years of intensive daily Linux use, I am yet to see any Linux machine (in use) that can keep its disk spinned down for more than a minute, unless using the laptop-mode tools and appropriate FS and write-cache settings, which are not so easy to finely tune, and very specific to some netbook uses. That's probably why 128 was the default value so far. I strongly believe that allowing disk spindown will never result in actual energy savings, *but* it may and will result in a much shortened HD life. One who wants max energy savings has better go for suspend mode after a short inactivity period (let's says 5 or 10 minutes) rather than playing with HD spindown. it's a nonsense for any modern multitasking OS with crons and other tasks schedulers. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
** Package changed: ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) = linux (Ubuntu) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Hi there, thanks for verifying this with older kernels. I'd like you to run the following: sudo pm-powersave off and see if the problem still exists -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Oops, my mistake, should be: sudo pm-powersave false -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
I'd like to also know if you have got laptop-mode-tools installed or not. Can you let me know. Thanks! ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Colin King (colin-king) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
I won't be able to check this further until a couple of days, but I can for sure say the following : - Yes, it happens with Oneiric kernel on precise beta. - It happens on all 3 machines I tried it on, and I would be very surprised if I had installed laptop-mode-tools on all three of them (unless it is part of the default installation...) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Swâmi, what tools are you using to check for HDD start and load cycles? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Bug still present on 3 machines with today's latest updates including new kernel : 3.2.0-19-generic -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
UP ! Moving this hardware killer around until somebody notices it, realizes the house is on fire and decides to do something about it... ** Package changed: powermgmt-base (Ubuntu) = ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Reassigning this bug to power management, as it triggers in Precise also when using the old Oneiric 3.0.0-16 kernel ** Package changed: linux (Ubuntu) = powermgmt-base (Ubuntu) ** Tags removed: kernel-da-key kernel-key kernel-request-3.2.0-18.29 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/powermgmt-base/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Confirmed with latest kernel update this morning. ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete = Confirmed ** Tags added: bot-stop-nagging -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Confirming this on a 2nd machine : Asus EeePC 1005PE. With numbers. With the machine clean-booted on precise Beta 1, latest kernel update as of now, running on battery, user logged in, no network connection, wi-fi disabled, no apps running except for an open terminal window. Leaving the machine alone in this state for 20 minutes and observing the HD SMART values before and after, I get during 20 minutes : - (4) Start_Stop_Count : +19 - (193) Load_Cycle_Count: +29 That's much too much ! On this machine which has always been running 100% Ubuntu and over 2190 hours of HD runtime, I got 3288 Start_Stop_Count, that makes on average 1.5 HD Start/Stop per HOUR. With precise I get about 1 Start/Stop a minute doing nothing - which is 60 times more ! On my other machine for which I 1st reported the bug (network up and some apps running) I would say it's 3-4 Start/Stop per minute ! IMHO this is a show stopper, with such disk power saving parameters, this will kill HDs in a couple of months. (I can also confirm that this crazyness ceases as soon as AC power is connected) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
@Swami Does the bug go away if you boot back into the Oneiric kernel? Also, would it be possible for you to test the latest upstream kernel? Refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMainlineBuilds . Please test the latest v3.3 kernel[1] (Not a kernel in the daily directory). Once you've tested the upstream kernel, please remove the 'needs-upstream- testing' tag(Only that one tag, please leave the other tags). This can be done by clicking on the yellow pencil icon next to the tag located at the bottom of the bug description and deleting the 'needs-upstream- testing' text. If this bug is fixed in the mainline kernel, please add the following tag 'kernel-fixed-upstream'. If the mainline kernel does not fix this bug, please add the tag: 'kernel-bug-exists-upstream'. If you are unable to test the mainline kernel, for example it will not boot, please add the tag: 'kernel-unable-to-test-upstream'. Once testing of the upstream kernel is complete, please mark this bug as Confirmed. Thanks in advance. [1] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.3-rc7-precise/ ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Medium ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu) Importance: Medium = High ** Tags added: kernel-da-key ** Tags added: kernel-key -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Confirming again on a 3rd, different laptop (Acer Aspire 3104 WLMi) Leaving the system alone on battery (no special software started, machine fresh booted with an user session open), in about 10 minutes I get : - (4) Start_Stop_Count: = +9 - (193) Load_Cycle_Count: = +9 So it seems that every laptop running Precise, on battery, Starts/Stops its HD at least about once a minute (if left alone), and much more often if workling on it. WE'RE GONNA BREAK A LOT OF HDs AND UBUNTU'll GET FAMOUS FOR THAT IF IT AIN'T FIXED before Precise final is released... -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
Per Joseph request I booted my Dell XPS M1330 (the machine on which I initially started this bugreport) back onto Oneiric's kernel : # uname -a Linux tethys 3.0.0-16-generic #29-Ubuntu SMP Tue Feb 14 12:49:42 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux ...But with the rest of Precise of course. I report that, left alone, the machine's HD start/stop count increased by +27 in 10 minutes. So that's not the kernel itself, but that's surely a very aggressive default power-saving setting in Precise. I can be damn sure that it didn't do that in Oneiric because my HD is fairly new on this machine and it counted (before I started this test) : TOTAL: - (4) Start_Stop_Count: 488 - (9) Power_On_Hours: 669 So the HD was started/stopped on average less then once per hour in Oneiric, now 3 times a minute in Precise on the same machine. That's not a kernel bug, but I don't know where this bug should be affected. Power-management ?? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/952556 Title: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/952556/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 952556] Re: [Precise] [Hardware-killer] HD restarts every few seconds
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