Re: www.shockwave.com http://unity3d.com/unity/ - i smell trouble...
Google is developing Native Client (NaCl) and Portable Native Client (PNaCl). OpenGL support is planned, so then serious games can be deployed through the web platform in a platform-independent and standard way. Another possible road to success would be WebGL. Both these technologies already have more traction than something that we could come up with for Ubuntu. -- Remco On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 11:21, HSO a...@biznes.linux.pl wrote: Shockwave Player not flash player - on page you link - no shocwave player for Linux... ona page you link. I am proposing some like API/backend (colect form MESA/DRI/OPENAL) mark of Ubuntu base for make - a easy making plugin or porting a 3D applet/software. that already exist. I found that no Authorware Player for linux... from page you link. If Microsoft know that not work in Ubuntu - then use that information i near further - for killing Ubuntu or other linux - an that will be bad... I use on may Laptop - only Ubuntu for me shocwave player an other applet - it's what ever - but for marketing of Ubunut an million user that use a shocwave player, or outher plugins like - iplex.pl wich work only in Windows and Mac... backed for ilpex.pl plugin it's viovidas player and allplayer... Or do some tutorial - for that company to make a porting app/plugin/canvas - to Ubuntu and *.deb files( deb is already) . -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Chromium vs Firefox?
On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 16:36, John Moser john.r.mo...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone yet brought up the potential to ship Chromium default rather than Firefox? At this point it's more advanced methinks, with the only likely complaint being that you can't add NoScript or AdBlock+. Ubuntu doesn't ship these default anyway; if you want those things, you can get Firefox yourself, as you likely already know what you're doing. For the privacy discussion, see SRWare Iron as a potential source of ideas for changes to back-merge (or options to add). More advanced is not very persuasive. What are the actual pros and cons of Firefox and Chromium? Firefox is twice as popular as Chrome, and a lot of time was invested in integrating Firefox into Ubuntu. There need to be compelling reasons for a switch. That said, I think they are going to discuss this topic during the Ubuntu Developer Summit. In-person discussions work very well for these kinds of things. -- Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 19:38, Patrick Goetz pgo...@mail.utexas.edu wrote: On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 08:55:06 Martin Pitt wrote [regarding Unity]: I couldn't have believed it even two months ago still, but today I feel the same. When I switch back to classic GNOME it feels inferior now; I'm particularly missing the super-fast keyboard shortcuts/search/navigation and bigger screen real estate. I just got my first hands on look at Unity 2D. One thing we noticed is that the application menus now live in the taskbar? Is there any way to change this? I'm assuming most developers and power users use point to focus, as we do. Having the menu in the taskbar creates a unique problem for point to focus users; namely suppose I have a firefox window with a terminal just above the browser. If I move the mouse up to, say, add a bookmark, the mouse pointer passes through the terminal window and focus shifts to the terminal before I can ever get to the firefox menu. I think I can set a time delay for point to focus, but this is most inconvenient when I'm bouncing back and forth between 2 terminals on the same screen. At this point, focus follows mouse is not supported. I suggest, to fix this issue, a menu change delay should be introduced. It works like this: You have a Firefox window with a Terminal just above it. As soon as you move to the terminal window, focus switches to the terminal. But the menu is still the Firefox menu for 1 second. After the delay, the menu switches to Terminal. Additional refinement: the menu switches immediately if you interact with the terminal window. -- Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: The Oracle debate. Possibly an over-reaction?
On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 10:05, pec...@gmail.com pec...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/12/26 Chris Jones chrisjo...@comcen.com.au: I know somewhere along the line Ubuntu is probably going to switch to LibreOffice by default. But does that mean that with the future inclusion of LO, it also means to future removal of OpenOffice from the repositories? If yes, can someone really explain why. It probably will be only removed from main. I don't think - while there is no licensing issues - anyone will have a problem with OO.o in universe/multiverse and that will be few clicks away. I don't think OpenOffice will be in the repos at all. The current version, while called OOo, is actually more like LibreOffice. I don't think there's enough interest in an OOo without the LibO extras. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: The Oracle debate. Possibly an over-reaction?
[and now also to the list:] On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 22:29, Chris Jones chrisjo...@comcen.com.au wrote: On Sun, 2010-12-26 at 15:46 +0100, Remco wrote: I don't think OpenOffice will be in the repos at all. The current version, while called OOo, is actually more like LibreOffice. I don't think there's enough interest in an OOo without the LibO extras. What 'extras' are you referring to? I still prefer OpenOffice myself at this stage as I see no reason to switch. Regards You haven't been using OpenOffice. You've been using Go-oo with OpenOffice logos. Go-oo will merge all patches with LibreOffice and continue there. The additional features are explained here: http://www.go-oo.org/ -- Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Updating from LGPL 2 to LGPL 3
On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 15:57, John Moser john.r.mo...@gmail.com wrote: Are you a maintainer of the package or an actual code contributor for the project? Raising the license seems silly if you're not a core dev or significant contributor. *GPL3 were driven by politics and contain language not well tested in court (particularly, the completely ineffective patent language); so a third-party relicense of someone else's code would seem political and ill-conceived. It would be ill-conceived regardless of your opinion of the new GPL. Nobody else but the developers decide on the license, simple as that. -- Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Is Ubuntu commited to free software?
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 05:56, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: Danny Piccirillo danny.picciri...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 16:37, David Schlesinger le...@access- company.comwrote: On 6/9/10 1:21 PM, Danny Piccirillo danny.picciri...@ubuntu.com wrote: Upstream linux is not free. That is why LinuxLibre was created. http://libresoft.es/Members/herraiz/blog/linux-is-not-free-software I have doubts that this was unintentional. Here's a list of nonfree stuff in Linux: http://manulix.wikidot.com/kernel-blobs Danny, if you or anyone else has an issue with the governance of the kernel project, attempting to address it via an end-run through a litmus test of Ubuntu's support for software freedom seems a rather passive-aggressive way to go about it. I don't see much productive coming out of this discussion. If you're not happy with the way the kernel project is being run, I suggest you'd do better to go talk to Linus and Andrew Morton about it. If Ubuntu's governance is not to your liking, there are plenty of other distros. If none of those is to your liking, you can roll your own. The fact is that Linux is not entirely free, and there is a project which is the Linux kernel without the nonfree bits. Talking about linux governance is out of the scope of this discussion. Ubuntu's philosophy says it is free, but even the free software only option has nonfree bits. Why shouldn't i expect the mere option to have a fully free system using Ubuntu? Non-free software in Main is a bug. So fix the bug. Your would appear to confirm the that criteria for non-free on that list includes things that are free, but can be used to load non-free firmware, so the list doesn't impress me. Since iwl 4965 is on your list and that's what one of my laptops runs, I decided to have a look at drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-4965.c. /** * * Copyright(c) 2003 - 2009 Intel Corporation. All rights reserved. * * This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it * under the terms of version 2 of the GNU General Public License as * published by the Free Software Foundation. * * This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT * ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or * FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU General Public License for * more details. * * You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License along with * this program; if not, write to the Free Software Foundation, Inc., * 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA 02110, USA * * The full GNU General Public License is included in this distribution in the * file called LICENSE. * * Contact Information: * Intel Linux Wireless i...@linux.intel.com * Intel Corporation, 5200 N.E. Elam Young Parkway, Hillsboro, OR 97124-6497 * */ License seems OK. I read through the code and it appears to load some microcode, but I didn't see anything in the source that looked like anything other than the preferred form of modification. I'm not a kernel hacker so I might have miss understood what I was looking at. Also that list mentions version 2.6.30 and I used the current Ubuntu 2.6.32 source for Lucid and it may have changed. So I'm curious what's non-free in that file to get it on the list? Scott K Is that loaded microcode generated by the kernel, or is it an unknown magic blob of bytes? I know that the kernel developers hate such blobs for practical reasons, and I also don't believe that it would constitute free software. The nouveau blob was quickly made obsolete by reverse engineering it. Now the developers know exactly how it works, and are able to fix bugs. The kernel generates the firmware on the fly and then sends it to the GPU. This should be the case for all microcode, before Linux can be considered entirely free and dependable. -- Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Is Ubuntu commited to free software?
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 16:51, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: Remco remc...@gmail.com wrote: Is that loaded microcode generated by the kernel, or is it an unknown magic blob of bytes? I know that the kernel developers hate such blobs for practical reasons, and I also don't believe that it would constitute free software. The nouveau blob was quickly made obsolete by reverse engineering it. Now the developers know exactly how it works, and are able to fix bugs. The kernel generates the firmware on the fly and then sends it to the GPU. This should be the case for all microcode, before Linux can be considered entirely free and dependable. You miss my point. At least AFAICT the microcode isn't in that file, so the freeness of the microcode is unrelated to the freeness of that file. In any case, even if it's there, the entire file is GPL v2, so it's Free. Nothing in the GPL requires code comments. That's not true. Binary blobs aren't just code without comments. They are obfuscated machine code, not in the preferred form for modification, and that's explicitly prohibited by the GPL I believe you're right that the problem (if it exists), is not with *that* file. But that doesn't make the problem go away, of course; it just moves it. -- Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Is Ubuntu commited to free software?
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 17:46, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: Remco remc...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 16:51, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: Remco remc...@gmail.com wrote: Is that loaded microcode generated by the kernel, or is it an unknown magic blob of bytes? I know that the kernel developers hate such blobs for practical reasons, and I also don't believe that it would constitute free software. The nouveau blob was quickly made obsolete by reverse engineering it. Now the developers know exactly how it works, and are able to fix bugs. The kernel generates the firmware on the fly and then sends it to the GPU. This should be the case for all microcode, before Linux can be considered entirely free and dependable. You miss my point. At least AFAICT the microcode isn't in that file, so the freeness of the microcode is unrelated to the freeness of that file. In any case, even if it's there, the entire file is GPL v2, so it's Free. Nothing in the GPL requires code comments. That's not true. Binary blobs aren't just code without comments. They are obfuscated machine code, not in the preferred form for modification, and that's explicitly prohibited by the GPL I believe you're right that the problem (if it exists), is not with *that* file. But that doesn't make the problem go away, of course; it just moves it. Certainly, but the point is the so called free kernel does more than just remove code that is arguably non-free. It also changes Free code to take away user's choice to use such blobs if they choose to. Meh, you can still use the original kernel if you want to. It's (mostly) free software after all. ;) That's a political change that reduces user's freedom to use the system the way they want to. It's fine, IMO, for such a political kernel to exist, but it's fundamentally in conflict with the values of Ubuntu and not appropriate for our archive. Oh, but politics is always part of open source! There is no other reason for the Use only free software option on the cd installer. Whether or not this free kernel is needed, I don't know. If the use only free software option also gets rid of all blobs in the kernel, then I don't see the need. -- Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Is Ubuntu commited to free software?
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 18:32, David Schlesinger le...@access-company.com wrote: On 6/10/10 9:13 AM, Remco remc...@gmail.com wrote: Meh, you can still use the original kernel if you want to. It's (mostly) free software after all. ;) By the same token, you (and the handful of others who share these concerns) can still use a forked kernel if you want to. Or The HURD. Go wild. That would seem to be a lot less effort for those who don't especially care about this, i.e. the ones you and others are asking to do this work on your behalf. I'm not asking anyone to do anything. ...politics is always part of open source! There is no other reason for the Use only free software option on the cd installer. Whether or not this free kernel is needed, I don't know. If the use only free software option also gets rid of all blobs in the kernel, then I don't see the need. I disagree: these politics are part of free software, not open source software. There's nothing in the OSI Definition dictating that you remove the option to use non-open source software from users if that's their choice. Feel free to point out where I've missed it, if you believe it's in there. If you don't know whether or not this 'free kernel' is needed, perhaps your time would be better spent getting an authoritative answer to that question rather than insisting that a possibly unnecessary option needs to be thrown into the build (and tested and regressed and, and, and...) (If there's another common thread in these things, it seems to be the idea that a bunch of other people who presumably have better things to do--and are doing them--will simply _stop_ in order to cater to a demand presented by someone who's not willing/able to do the heavy lifting themselves.) Having gotten that authoritative answer, I'm _still_ not sure it would have the slightest bit of relevance here. Go create a FSF-Buntu or something, if you feel the burning need. Hostile, much? I'm not the one who proposed anything. I'm just trying to see the relevance of this proposal by posing the question whether the Use only free software option also fulfills this need. The need is obviously there. Not everybody shares your opinion of the FSF. -- Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Is Ubuntu commited to free software?
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 18:32, David Schlesinger le...@access-company.com wrote: On 6/10/10 9:13 AM, Remco remc...@gmail.com wrote: Meh, you can still use the original kernel if you want to. It's (mostly) free software after all. ;) By the same token, you (and the handful of others who share these concerns) can still use a forked kernel if you want to. Or The HURD. Go wild. That would seem to be a lot less effort for those who don't especially care about this, i.e. the ones you and others are asking to do this work on your behalf. I'm not asking anyone to do anything. ...politics is always part of open source! There is no other reason for the Use only free software option on the cd installer. Whether or not this free kernel is needed, I don't know. If the use only free software option also gets rid of all blobs in the kernel, then I don't see the need. I disagree: these politics are part of free software, not open source software. There's nothing in the OSI Definition dictating that you remove the option to use non-open source software from users if that's their choice. Feel free to point out where I've missed it, if you believe it's in there. If you don't know whether or not this 'free kernel' is needed, perhaps your time would be better spent getting an authoritative answer to that question rather than insisting that a possibly unnecessary option needs to be thrown into the build (and tested and regressed and, and, and...) (If there's another common thread in these things, it seems to be the idea that a bunch of other people who presumably have better things to do--and are doing them--will simply _stop_ in order to cater to a demand presented by someone who's not willing/able to do the heavy lifting themselves.) Having gotten that authoritative answer, I'm _still_ not sure it would have the slightest bit of relevance here. Go create a FSF-Buntu or something, if you feel the burning need. Hostile, much? I'm not the one who proposed anything. I'm just trying to see the relevance of this proposal by posing the question whether the Use only free software option also fulfils this need. The need is obviously there. Not everybody shares your opinion of the FSF. -- Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Is Ubuntu commited to free software?
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 18:53, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: Once again: those are bugs. Let's just focus on solving the problem in the existing kernel instead of adding another one. It's more difficult to segregate the non-free material so it can be provided via the restricted repository for those that want it than it is just to rip it all out, but that's the way to support both freedom of software and freedom of choice. Agreed. My lingering question is, does this bug actually exist? I was under the impression that all the non-free parts were already removed when the free-only option was selected. -- Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Is Ubuntu commited to free software?
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 19:10, Remco remc...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 18:53, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: Once again: those are bugs. Let's just focus on solving the problem in the existing kernel instead of adding another one. It's more difficult to segregate the non-free material so it can be provided via the restricted repository for those that want it than it is just to rip it all out, but that's the way to support both freedom of software and freedom of choice. Agreed. My lingering question is, does this bug actually exist? I was under the impression that all the non-free parts were already removed when the free-only option was selected. Debian, for example, separates the firmware into a free and a non-free variant: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-linux Ubuntu does not use those package names. Where did the firmware end up in Ubuntu? -- Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Why and why.
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 20:45, Chandru chandru...@gmail.com wrote: It is proposed that from 11.04 the notification area (which allows actions like opening the window with single click and pausing with middle click) will be replaced entirely with indicator applet . So just get used to clicking more if you continue to use Ubuntu. Wait just a bit. The problem is that the notification area is a poor replacement of the window list. Instead of big strips with an icon and a title, it's just a tiny icon. And that icon even has arbitrary behavior. The idea is to get rid of the notification area *and* to reintroduce the removed features in the window list, application indicator, or any other place where it is actually appropriate. -- Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Making notifications close-able
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 07:44, Chandru chandru...@gmail.com wrote: I understand that notifications are not manually close-able to avoid making the user take a conscious decision about notifications. However, there are certain cases where user might want to immediately close the notification without waiting for it to time-out (certain chat messages, for example). Indeed, I can imagine a case of private messages popping up when you're doing a presentation. It should be possible to quickly get rid of them in such a case. To handle these cases, can't we allow manual closing of the notifications (say by clicking it) while still retaining the time-out based closing to ensure that the user can still ignore it without any difference? This doesn't work, because part of the design is that you must be able to click behind the notification. A better solution would be to instantly remove the notification if you closed the chat window or the application, or changed your status to busy/invisible/offline. -- Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Making notifications close-able
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 13:14, Chandru chandru...@gmail.com wrote: Empathy does have an option to disable notifications when away or busy. Oh, I didn't realize that the option already existed! But that option does not hide notifications that are already visible. I'm wondering about those cases where you do need new message notifications but would like to close some of them immediately to hide them from the eyes of someone near you. I'm not really sure there is a need for this particular aspect of the feature. It would also not help in the case someone is continually posting private messages on your screen. Some sort of keyboard shortcut to close currently visible notification should help. Maybe we should introduce shortcuts to change your status, and hide (current and future) notifications based on that. Those shortcuts would have a wider use case. You could synthesize your feature by quickly changing your status to Busy and then back to Available. -- Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: White-on-black terminal should be default
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 17:40, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Ugh. I really thought that only primitive systems use white text on a black background. It's ergonomically very bad. I never use such a terminal except in Windows, where I haven't figured out (nor spent enough time to need to) how to change it. I agree. I would rather not have my terminals look like a tty! Would it be possible to have black text on a white background for the virtual terminals, too? The current low-resolution white-on-black is not very comfortable. -- Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: alt-tab; need shift-alt-tab too.
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 13:58, Siegfried-A. Gevatter siggi.gevat...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/29 Rene Veerman rene7...@gmail.com: one can shift-alt-tab to move back 1 spot in the list of apps you're alt-tabbing through.. can ubuntu do the same? by default, please? It does. (At least with Metacity, not sure about Compiz as I haven't used that for ages). I don't think it does by default in Compiz. That's the default window manager for Ubuntu if the hardware is capable, so it's pretty important. In Compiz you can also not use Ctrl-Alt-Tab to switch to panels. -- Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Question about this list
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 03:19, Amahdy mrjava.java...@gmail.com wrote: One thing to mention, under windows, for example to change something in the taskbar without mouse: press win-logo, press it again (it will be activated), press tab then tab till you reach the taskbar, then press the right-click-input, then choose from the menu, now tell me if this is could be easily done (by default) under Ubuntu? indeed Ubuntu was designed to be very user friendly that the design lack a support for the developers who lover keyboard, their only alternative is commands over terminal, yet there is not a default shortcut-key to open the terminal. Please find another example, because this is very easy to do: Ctrl-Alt-Tab until you reach the bottom panel, then use the arrows to go to the right panel item. -- Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Domain Server
On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 20:18, Markus Hitter m...@jump-ing.de wrote: Am 21.11.2009 um 22:38 schrieb Remco: On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 19:58, Michael Bienia mich...@bienia.de wrote: On 2009-11-21 17:37:46 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/screens/gparted_1_big.jpg Oh, perhaps you prefer command line disk partitioning over gparted as well. It's doable and much more flexible :-) gparted is probably a good GUI (hadn't have to repartition my disk for a long time, so never used it till now). But does it help someone to partition his disk properly who doesn't know about primary/logical partitions, filesystem types, mount points, etc.? It doesn't. Well, it does. It gives a visual representation of how the result will be, it translates partition codes to human readable descriptions (ext2, FAT32, ...), it takes some care to avoid conflicts and it invokes the correct tools to format the newly created partitions. On the command line, you have a lot more chances to do things wrong. Yes, that's precisely the thing that Gparted helps you with. That's why I, as a partitioning expert (hee), still value Gparted. But it does not help my mom, who doesn't know the difference between a partition and a filesystem. I don't think we want to cater to these 'normal users' with these GUI administration tools. We want to cater to administrators with varying degrees of experience, making them more productive and less error prone. At least, that's why *I* want GUI tools. -- Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Domain Server
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 19:58, Michael Bienia mich...@bienia.de wrote: On 2009-11-21 17:37:46 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/screens/gparted_1_big.jpg Oh, perhaps you prefer command line disk partitioning over gparted as well. It's doable and much more flexible :-) gparted is probably a good GUI (hadn't have to repartition my disk for a long time, so never used it till now). But does it help someone to partition his disk properly who doesn't know about primary/logical partitions, filesystem types, mount points, etc.? It doesn't. But we don't care about those users. They should use the guided Ubuntu installer. If they want to shoot themselves in the foot, we can't prevent that without losing a lot of useful tools. Letting someone use gparted to partition his disk who doesn't know anything about partitioning will probably end in a big data desaster. And whom will this user blame for it? Certainly not himself for doing tasks he doesn't understand but the GUI for letting it do him (even if it has big warnings). The user can blame anyone he wants. The rest of the world shouldn't care about that. I find this whole blaming angle very unproductive. Should Gparted not exist? Should Synaptic? Or the PolicyKit editor? Rapache? The LVM manager? All can be used to destroy data or create security leaks. But all are used to save time for those that understand how they work. -- Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Save Icon modernization needed
On Sun, 2009-11-15 at 23:37 +0800, Christopher Lees wrote: My favourite method of saving a document was in RiscOS; when you opened the 'save' dialog, it was just a small window with the document icon, a filepath and an OK button. When you were doing your initial save (or a Save As...) you just dragged the icon to where you wanted to save it to. In subsequent saves, you just hit the OK button. I have a slightly crazy idea. What if documents didn't have to be saved? You could just start writing (or doing whatever you do in the particular application), and the program magically remembers what you were doing in case you closed the program, or it crashed. Of course, you want to give documents names, so that should still be possible through some means. It's a bit like an e-mail application: you can give an e-mail a subject line or not, and as long as you don't send it, it's in the Drafts directory. Once you send it, it moves to the Sent directory. The only explicit way to save a document, would be to put it on removable media. You can have a nice burn to cd icon, or a copy to USB stick icon. Or that dragging UI that you propose. I read somewhere that GNOME 3 is rethinking the saving documents concept, so maybe this will all be a moot point by then. -- Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: upgrade from 9.04 - 9.10: the most broken Ubuntu / Debian upgrade I have ever experienced
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 01:13, Shentino shent...@gmail.com wrote: Here comes the rumor mill... http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/11/03/2211231/Some-Early-Adopters-Stung-By-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala There seems to be a general consensus that, overall, the ubuntu team as a whole bungled this release. Ouch, that's bad. Whether it's true or not doesn't even matter. This could turn into a major publicity disaster. Windows 7 has just been released, so this is a key time for Ubuntu to be in the news with positive stories. In this specific case, bad publicity is not good publicity. -- Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Domain Server
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 10:22, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: The lack of tools will not prevent untrained users from doing things they don't know how to do, but having them can make them at least do it a little better. There is no lack of tools for administrating a server. However, the present tools demand a minimum understanding of networks, including security. No they don't. They require a howto. -- Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Domain Server
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 23:42, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: As a computer science student, I know about Internet security. As a mechanical engineering student, I don't know anything about internet security. You don't want to give me powerful tools and let me loose on the wild wild web. Actually, I kind of want to let you loose and see what happens. If you turn out to cause trouble, an abuse mail to your provider is two clicks away. You may also have noticed that all the things I listed as important for security can be checked for by the system. I would like to see a list of problem areas that can't be checked for sanity like that. And then find solutions for that, obviously. -- Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Domain Server
On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 23:03, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: And you thing that simple file sharing server based on SMB are comparable to Mustang GT? No. But I think that running a public HTTP server is. Any user can run a public HTTP server without knowing what the hell they are doing. They just follow a howto from the-perfect-server-setup.tk. Of course, that howto also recommends setting up a mail server, but inadvertently doesn't set a password for the SMTP server. -- Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Proposal: reduce base font size from 10pt to 9pt for Karmic Koala release
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 22:01, Conn subps...@eircom.net wrote: On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: Ditto. If those are in fact 9pt and not 8pt something is unusual on your comparison XP. Windows UI fonts have usually been ridiculously small (8pt), but I have encountered the use of 9pt in W2K WXP when large has not been selected in settings. The browser and office app document fonts have always been 12pt by default. The difference in size is a function of area, not nominal size, meaning that 12pt is 2.25 times the size of 8pt (12^2 / 8^2) and 1.78 times the size of 9pt (12^2 / 9^2). I dual-boot between XP and Ubuntu, and use a bookmark synchronization extension for Firefox. Looking at my Firefox bookmarks toolbar (which is identical in layout between operating systems), Windows XP can fit about 10 bookmarks on-screen, whereas Ubuntu can fit only 7, or at most 8 with a short title. The entire interface of Ubuntu looks unnecessarily bloated. As I posted in my previous comment, my screen should use 91dpi rendering. I have manually set this value, and while fonts looks slightly more compact compared to the default setting, /in my opinion/, 10pt is still too bloated. In my opinion, even a 9pt application font is still too bloated. I have the following output from xdpyinfo: dimensions:1920x1200 pixels (372x230 millimeters) resolution:131x133 dots per inch On this setup, with the correct DPI set, 10pt looks *huge*. 9pt is still too much for my tastes. 8pt feels very natural. Screenshots: 10pt: http://www.few.vu.nl/~rkg230/files/Screenshot10pt.png 9pt: http://www.few.vu.nl/~rkg230/files/Screenshot9pt.png 8pt: http://www.few.vu.nl/~rkg230/files/Screenshot8pt.png Also, you can see in the 10pt and 9pt screenshots that the text of the CPU monitor on the top panel doesn't fit inside the applet anymore. -- Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Pulse audio
2009/10/10 Lukas Hejtmanek xhejt...@ics.muni.cz: On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 04:52:43PM -0400, Daniel Chen wrote: I'm not surprised that ALSA did everything [you] ever wanted from it. However, it does not change that there were latent bugs. Clearly they existed despite ALSA working for you. hmm, let me see. ALSA is broken. OK. How do we fix it? Insert new layer between ALSA and Apps. (PA). Oh no, PA is also broken. (as you stated that PA sooner or later solves its problems). So I should ask, why should we fix PA rather than fix ALSA? I'm no expert on the field, but here is how I understand it: ALSA is not broken. The kernel part is used to talk to devices and to give a low level API to userland. This works very well. But the userspace ALSA library is not sufficient for modern needs. ALSA doesn't do audio over networking or Bluetooth, since those things can't be done in the kernel (as a policy). A layer was *missing*. The ALSA userspace library could have been hacked up to meet these requirements, but you'd get something similar to PulseAudio. It's a necessary layer. In addition there was the sound server mess. You'd have plain ALSA, plain OSS, ESD, Arts, and none were compatible with each other. If we just call PulseAudio good, and all start using it (which has happened), then that problem is solved. In the mean time there are a few emulation layers with varying degree of workingness, but it's a matter of time before those are obsolete or fixed. And since the OSS API is a bad idea according to the PA developers, people like me who like the open/close/read/write simplicity of OSS can instead just use the PulseAudio Simple API, which is essentially the OSS API. ;) http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/pulseaudio/doxygen/simple.html -- Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Pulse audio
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 14:40, Daniel Chen seven.st...@gmail.com wrote: The sad thing is that we could have shipped a two-line change to /etc/pulse/default.pa that would have alleviated nearly all of the (users') showstoppers. The change remains in my pulseaudio/hardy bzr branch. Why? -- Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Pulse audio
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 22:55, Daniel Chen seven.st...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Remco remc...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 14:40, Daniel Chen seven.st...@gmail.com wrote: The sad thing is that we could have shipped a two-line change to /etc/pulse/default.pa that would have alleviated nearly all of the (users') showstoppers. The change remains in my pulseaudio/hardy bzr branch. Why? What? Why has it not been changed in Hardy? Did it break other stuff? -- Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: The google custom search - perhaps it went there by itself?
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Vincenzo Cianciacian...@di.unipi.it wrote: That's the most universal place that I know where users and developers may meet. Certainly ubuntu-devel is not the right place (maybe it's even moderated?). How can you be sure ubuntu-mozilla developers and maybe M.S. are not reading this list? Is it possible that nobody here consider the issue important enough to eventually forward it to somebody who can know the answer? Are you a community or what? Are you not part of this community? I do think nobody here knows the answer. It's something specific to one package (albeit an important one). It's probably best to get in touch with the Mozilla team directly: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam#Communication Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Scott James Remnantsc...@canonical.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 23:32 -0400, Danny Piccirillo wrote: Anyways, someone on the forums started a discussion about this and i was wondering what you guys on the list though. There was a surprising amount of support and quite a few people seem to have already switched to Gnote. Reasons seem to be: improved integration, similar look, faster and uses less memory, and it's smaller (and for those who care, it doesn't require mono). Reasons against seem to be: lacking some features. There didn't seem to be much detail on any of the points on both sides though. One of my principal concerns would that Gnote is simply a code port of Tomboy from Mono to C++, with little development of its own. This means that should the maintainer tire of converting C# to C++, the project could quite quickly die. Scott Add to that the fact that it isn't yet feature complete and it hasn't been around for a very long time. It should probably wait for at least Karmic+1. If it can remain smaller in any way when it reaches maturity, then I don't see why it couldn't replace Tomboy. I wouldn't hold the 'direct port' bit against it. It's an interesting way to fork. And how many forks are we shipping in Ubuntu? I can name at least Xorg, GCC, and our version of OOo. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Desktop Unit Consistency (LP: #369525)
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 4:58 AM, Christopher Chanchristopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk wrote: Knock the doors of the POSIX committee This seems like a good idea. How are we going to do this? I don't know the procedures of IEEE. It may also be a good idea to first have a few Linux companies in the fold, like Canonical, Novell and Red Hat. If there is a group effort to bring this issue to IEEE, the chances of success will increase. And indeed, Microsoft could very well be interested too, in solving this mess. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mackenzie Morganmaco...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps I misunderstand why the term application framework is any better than a pile of libraries and languages that work together, but I think it'd be extremely difficult for Microsoft to try to argue that .NET is older than GTK+, Qt, C, C++, and Python. We're still being a Microsoft technology user, which is what Mark Shuttleworth didn't want, and is the reason why Wine is not included in Ubuntu. Ubuntu is supposed to be a collection of amazing free software, not a gratis Microsoft Windows. Consider that the Windows platform nowadays *is* .NET. Win32 is deprecated. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Derek Broughtonde...@pointerstop.ca wrote: Remco wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mackenzie Morganmaco...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps I misunderstand why the term application framework is any better than a pile of libraries and languages that work together, but I think it'd be extremely difficult for Microsoft to try to argue that .NET is older than GTK+, Qt, C, C++, and Python. We're still being a Microsoft technology user, which is what Mark Shuttleworth didn't want, and is the reason why Wine is not included in Ubuntu. It's not? When did that happen? $ apt-cache policy wine wine: Installed: (none) Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages -- derek Oh, so now Ubuntu also comes with Windows Media, H.264 and DivX? You can find those in the repositories as well. Maybe we should call MPEG-LA that there is big patent infringement going on here... Of course not. The repositories are not part of the default install, and should not be treated as such. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:17 AM, David Schlesingerdavid.schlesin...@access-company.com wrote: Basically, it just needs the same love as Mono. One thing I think I can state with certainty about free and open source software development is that demanding that a bunch of other folks drop what they're doing and give love to something else on your behalf never works. Maybe your time, and Mark's, would be better spent writing a credible F-Spot replacement if you think that's something that needs to be done; certainly don't expect anyone else to do it because F-Spot happens to upset you. And see what I wrote half a day ago: On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:42 AM, Remcoremc...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:28 AM, Mark Finkmpf...@gmail.com wrote: I see you are shooting the messenger, steve. the MONO camp has infiltrated canonical and now they are going around censoring anything that proves MONO to be the poison that it is. this is not a laughing matter and the fact that you slandering roy schestowitz only goes to show you are probably part of the problem. These accusations are not helping your case. If you want to really solve the problem you need to: * improve the Gnome-Java bindings and get them in Ubuntu * make a Java equivalent of F-Spot and Tomboy * push for replacement of these apps and the framework I'm all for replacing Mono with Java, but the problems need to be fixed. Complaining is not going to do that. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Derek Broughtonde...@pointerstop.ca wrote: Remco wrote: On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Derek Broughtonde...@pointerstop.ca wrote: Remco wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:52 PM, David Schlesingerdavid.schlesin...@access-company.com wrote: As Derek pointed out, Wine is indeed in the universal repository. You were completely mistaken about it, rendering your argument meaningless. The appropriate response at that point is to say, I was wrong, not to try to switch to a completely different argument in mid-stream. Nobody's come within a parsec of suggesting that the codecs you mention should be part of the default install. I guess you're really not getting my point. I was actually trying to let you work that one out by comparing it to the codecs. That's not an argument, it's a complete misdirection. The non-free Codecs _aren't_ in Ubuntu repositories, Wine is. You're arguing semantics. I don't care about semantics. Sorry, but no. You are pretending to have a rational discussion, while dismissing perfectly valid arguments. What's your argument against my position? That I maybe made a semantic cock-up in a throwaway comparison? That's a great one... How does that relate to Mono? The codecs are not-in-Ubuntu the same way as Wine, because they are not installed, No, they are not. The codecs are NOT in Ubuntu at all. Show me where they exist in the repositories. Wine is in the repos. If the codecs are not in the repos, then I'm amazed as to how they got onto my system. Clearly, the ffmpeg project (yeah, universe) doesn't exist. Besides, how is the exact location of the codecs relevant? I can install them in the same way as I install Wine. Wine isn't installed because Mark Shuttleworth doesn't want Ubuntu to be cheap Windows: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/11/1220219 http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/05/1546230 Excuse me, but when did slashdot become an authoritative source of knowledge of the workings of Mark Shuttleworth's mind (or of anything else, for that matter). In any case, the first of those simply says Wine won't be preinstalled on Dell minis, and the second is even more vague - it says that Shuttleworth isn't staking the future of Ubuntu on Wine. Neither one says that Ubuntu will ever _not_ include Wine. Slashdot is not the source. Look one click further and you'll find the actual source. You just fell in the same trap as the Wikipedia naysayers. It's just easy reference. And if you don't want to see this as the motivation for not including Wine, then so be it. I think it's pretty clear why Wine is not supposed to be on the default install. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: On apturls and repositories
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 5:55 AM, Martin Owensdocto...@gmail.com wrote: No, it isn't. HTTP is by definition over port 80 - or perhaps 8080: Is it? I didn't think is was the port that defined the protocol but the nature of the messages sent over the connection. The port is a default but not a requirement, like ssh or ftp. For the record: http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/ works in the browser. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:28 AM, Mark Finkmpf...@gmail.com wrote: I see you are shooting the messenger, steve. the MONO camp has infiltrated canonical and now they are going around censoring anything that proves MONO to be the poison that it is. this is not a laughing matter and the fact that you slandering roy schestowitz only goes to show you are probably part of the problem. These accusations are not helping your case. If you want to really solve the problem you need to: * improve the Gnome-Java bindings and get them in Ubuntu * make a Java equivalent of F-Spot and Tomboy * push for replacement of these apps and the framework I'm all for replacing Mono with Java, but the problems need to be fixed. Complaining is not going to do that. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Desktop Unit Consistency (LP: #369525)
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Chan Chung Hang Christopher christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk wrote: Anyway, I will join you chums in kowtowing to the users and unheard of standards...once this across the board. How nice it would be to scp a file over and get a different size report. Get this into POSIX or something or be the oddball. That's a reasonable argument against following the international standard. This can be worked around by not changing commandline tools (since they already have --si options), and having GUI tools that work with remote filesystems do conversions for us. It's also not unreasonable to have two size columns in Nautilus. We already have two permissions columns and two type columns. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Desktop Unit Consistency (LP: #369525)
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 4:58 AM, Mackenzie Morgan maco...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 31 May 2009 9:12:37 pm Christopher Chan wrote: Disk storage is expressed in multiples of 1024 under any operating system. Are you sure? Usually I see Windows users in #ubuntu complaining that Ubuntu only sees 112GB of their 120GB drive while Windows sees all 120GB. Take a look at the properties of a file in Nautilus. It will tell you a file is x MB, and y bytes. I have a file here of 701.2 MB, which is 735270912 bytes. Now, if it really *were* 701.2 MB, then it would be 70120 bytes. So that's clearly base 2, which should be MiB. This then results in an explanation that no no, see Ubuntu says GiB, not GB, and that little i in there means it's Gibibytes which the IEEE has decided means 1024- based, not 1000-based which is Gigabytes and the way the manufacturer measures so that they can give you fewer Gibibytes and pretend it's just as many. While that may be true, the most useful thing about base 10 is that normal humans can actually understand it. We cannot calculate using a binary number system. Base 2 is not useful for anything, except sometimes in programming. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Desktop Unit Consistency (LP: #369525)
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 6:03 AM, Christopher Chan christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk wrote: Stop changing age old conventions. Nice. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Netbook Operating System
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Mackenzie Morgan maco...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 28 May 2009 4:17:47 am Siegfried Gevatter wrote: Can we have our logo to be displayed in your OS startup, and customize of our support interaction applications/tools? Yes, but if you modify some existing application included in Ubuntu you'll have to adhere to its licence (which may -or may not, depending on which application it is- require you to publish the source code for your modifications under the same license). It could not then be called Ubuntu, however. The Ubuntu name can only be used on remixes (different package mix, still all official Ubuntu packages, maybe some new artwork packages), not for derivatives (code modifications or non-Ubuntu packages) according to http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy Unless you get permission from Canonical. I believe Dell does some stuff with encrypted DVD support, and they may consider upgrading some packages of their 8.04 system. The best thing to do, is to contact Canonical about all these issues. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Current situation of amarok, and of latex tools
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Christopher James Halse Rogers r...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 11:12 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote: That is not the case with OpenSolaris based ZFS root capable installations. While the whole disk maybe taken up by a zfs pool, the installation will create at least three zfs filesystems. ROOT/, ROOT/opt, export, and export/home all exist on my OpenSolaris installation. So all data is stored in the user's home directory and is not at all affected by upgrades or downgrades. So, what happens when, say, I upgrade to a new version of Evolution and it decides to convert all its existing mailboxes to the new database format on first run, and I later want to revert because of new bugs? It doesn't matter that I can roll back everything but /home to the previous Evolution version - that mail is now essentially gone as far as the old Evolution is concerned. Alternatively, replace Evolution with MySQL or such. This is what I understand to be the hard problem in *supporting* package downgrades. The first step would be to make it an unsupported option, like universe packages. After that, every package must be tested for downgrading. Just like the new notifications, it will suck a little until it gets better. A copy of the original settings in case of incompatible changes is a relatively simple solution. Downgrade conversion is probably not feasible for any but the most popular packages. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Looking at Package Management for Karmic or Karmic+1
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Mackenzie Morgan maco...@gmail.com wrote: There's already an option in System - Administration - Software sources to have updates installed automatically. There's also cron (the reason my mom's computer gets updates at all). Are there any problems with enabling automatic updates by default? Most users don't care about updates to the point that they never install them. And even if they would open the update manager, they would more likely just install all updates than select the updates they want. Hell, that's the way I work! How many people actually benefit from any interaction with the update manager? The way Microsoft does it, is that it asks (enabled by default) to install updates on shutdown. I don't know how that would be better than completely automatic updates. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Looking at Package Management for Karmic or Karmic+1
2009/4/3 (``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo ubu...@bugabundo.net: Olá Remco e a todos. On Thursday 02 April 2009 14:12:00 Remco wrote: One wishlist idea I have is that updates can be installed without having to provide a password. There's a public wishbug to allow Security Updates to be auto-installed, as an option available on OEM,regular installer an on Software Properties, under the tab Updates. I dont believe that regular updates should be auto installed, because it could lead to more regressions. That's a different idea though. My idea is that having to provide a password is an unnecessary hurdle to people. Why must a password be provided to start the update process? A policy could be made to allow the update manager to do its thing without passwords. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Looking at Package Management for Karmic or Karmic+1
One wishlist idea I have is that updates can be installed without having to provide a password. Installing updates must be as easy as possible, because I often see that icon in other people's notification area, with hundreds of updates available. They just don't really care. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Fake login screens
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: Arguing that something's a security feature without checking that it's actually a security feature isn't a good plan. Obviously. But I do think this is a security issue that needs to be solved. Let's forget the whole C-A-B discussion. We need an unmappable key sequence which only the kernel captures. Maybe C-A-D could be promoted to that? Someone on this list said that the Windows kernel intercepts this key sequence and then tells the login screen that it has been pressed. If there is no login screen, it will just open the Task Manager. Whichever keys are chosen, it would be as an instruction in the login screen: Please press keys before logging in. Maybe in an information bubble it could explain how this prevents password theft, and that you should be suspicious if the instruction isn't there the next time. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea? - no.
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Vincenzo Ciancia cian...@di.unipi.it wrote: Can someone tell me how will I protect myself from fake login screens in multi-user ubuntu setups? Even my office machine is multi-user! It took me a while to figure out what you meant by this, but yeah! That's actually a pretty nasty way to steal passwords. Shouldn't the login screen instruct you to press C-A-B before trying to log in? Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea? - no.
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 12:47 AM, Remco remc...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Vincenzo Ciancia cian...@di.unipi.it wrote: Can someone tell me how will I protect myself from fake login screens in multi-user ubuntu setups? Even my office machine is multi-user! It took me a while to figure out what you meant by this, but yeah! That's actually a pretty nasty way to steal passwords. Shouldn't the login screen instruct you to press C-A-B before trying to log in? Remco Sorry for posting the previous. Gmail sorted the mails by thread, so I read this before the other discussion. Instead, the login screen could instruct you to press Alt+SysRQ+K or any other key captured by the kernel. By the way, Alt+SysRQ+K doesn't do anything on my laptop? Alt+SysRQ+REISUB does work, so what's that about? Could it have something to do with that my VTs don't exist? (proprietary NVIDIA driver issue) Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: GPL and forking
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 2:53 PM, David Lefty Schlesinger le...@access-company.com wrote: Forking is discouraged when a project is active, but if there's no project, and the author can't be found, it doesn't really seem as though it constitutes a fork... Actually, this would still be considered a fork, and it would be the most positive possible form of forking. Basically what it was invented for! This would be a case where the GPL has saved a project from extinction. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea?
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Dylan McCall dylanmcc...@gmail.com wrote: This discussion is hardly relevant anymore. I agree the popup explaining what the user is about to do would be a nice alternative, but this is also a completely adequate solution. I'm sure any patches for that alternative would have a good, warm and fulfilling life. Except that popups don't work on a severely overloaded system. to use the kernel-level Alt SysRQ K instead. While you're at it, get a different video driver. SysRQ doesn't work or don't have the key? That's a bug in the kernel. Would be sensible if Would all be really cool, but that's not the current situation. First solve those. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea?
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Mike Jones eternal...@gmail.com wrote: In light of that new info, I would say all of my objections are handled quite nicely by Alt-Sysrq-k. I haven't tried it out yet, but I agree that this new A-S-K combination would be a good replacement. Now we only need to teach everybody about this. C-A-B was common knowledge. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea? - no.
Every program that hangs but doesn't release grabs is a problem. You could certainly implement some kind of solution to that, but only after that solution is implemented, C-A-B or equivalents should be disabled. Not before. Every program that makes the system so slow that it becomes unusable is a problem. This can't be solved. Any buggy program can take so much CPU/RAM/IO that your mouse pointer moves only every 10 seconds and your key presses only register after that same time. Only a simple key press that kills the program can solve this. Or a hard reset. We shouldn't remove the reset button functionality either. This means that C-A-B or equivalents can never be disabled. Concrete examples: Windows games run in Wine. Some will leak memory or whatever. You can't file bug reports against those games. And even if you could, you would still experience the problem until it was solved. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea?
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 11:37 PM, Mackenzie Morgan maco...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 22:41 +0100, Remco wrote: On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Mike Jones eternal...@gmail.com wrote: In light of that new info, I would say all of my objections are handled quite nicely by Alt-Sysrq-k. I haven't tried it out yet, but I agree that this new A-S-K combination would be a good replacement. Now we only need to teach everybody about this. C-A-B was common knowledge. Except when you don't have a SysRq key. Craig Maloney mentioned off-list that Macs don't have a SysRQ key. F13 doesn't seem to work as an alternative either. So we're back at C-A-B. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea? - no.
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 12:04 AM, Thomas Jaeger thjae...@gmail.com wrote: I know that this is possible, but the question is how common this situation is. Apparently it's pretty common, as some people use C-A-B every week. I don't use it quite that much, but I don't want it to go away. You don't remove a fail-safe until you solve the problem that the fail-safe works around, if that is even possible. If an application is hogging resources, you'll want to kill that application, not X. That's true, but how are you going to tell your computer to kill one specific program if it will take you more time to specify it than to just hit the (also unnecessary?) reset button on your pc and wait for a reboot. It could take hours of hitting keys and waiting for the screen to be updated. Okay, now we're getting closer. There's no reason you can't make wine handle those situations more gracefully. But really, if you're doing highly experimental things like running windows games in wine, it's not unreasonable to expect that you do the tiny amount of extra of work if you want enable C-A-B. Experimental or not, according to popcon about half of the Ubuntu users runs Wine. And how is Wine going to protect against system overload if Linux can't do it either? Technically nothing is wrong... it's just a *little* slow. Other example: running whatever OS, doing *something* in an emulator such as Qemu or Vbox. Suddenly you're out of RAM, out of swap space, your disk IO is through the roof, and your CPU is constantly 100%. There are so many ways to bring down the performance of your computer that you just can't prevent it. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea? - no.
And please don't talk about people making noise. That gets us nowhere. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea? - no.
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 3:56 AM, Remco remc...@gmail.com wrote: And please don't talk about people making noise. That gets us nowhere. Remco That was not supposed to be the only contents of my mail. The people who are against the removal of C-A-B or equivalents think that Ubuntu would be better in general if such a functionality existed. So it does not make sense to tell those participants to the discussion to just change the option for themselves. It is about the defaults here. Many many more users than the followers of this list know about C-A-B. It has worked like this for years. If it suddenly doesn't work anymore, they will probably think that the computer locked up so bad that they have to reboot. If they ever learn that Ubuntu decided to get rid of it, they will probably complain. Or not... not everybody complains about their problems. In this respect, hitting C-A-B twice seems the only sensible solution, as Mackenzie pointed out. Another key binding would also be possible, but slightly less intuitive. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea?
Client applications, and even X.org itself, will always have bugs. They are created by humans, and we are not perfect. In that respect, it is normal behaviour. So C-A-B will never become obsolete. Things that can happen: * Client can grab keys but hang. * System can become too slow to be usable. * Xorg/drivers can have a bug that locks the screen. All of these things will happen in the future, no matter what you do. C-A-B will fix it in many cases. Hitting C-A-B twice is preferred over a dialog, because you can't reasonably react to a dialog if the system is too slow to be usable. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Metacity as a compositing manager
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Christopher James Halse Rogers chalserog...@gmail.com wrote: The characterisation of Compiz as just about shiny effects is wrong. The default plugin set also provides a better _window manager_ than Metacity in many ways. I wouldn't know about that last claim. Metacity doesn't have all the useful features of Compiz, but it does work a lot better. While pure compositing actions such as Alt+Tab may be faster on Compiz (I don't notice any difference), the applications themselves are a lot slower. Have you ever tried resizing a window in Compiz? Metacity is much smoother. Also, Compiz is different with regards to snapping windows. That's a very subtle difference, but combined with the slow resizing, it makes the desktop feel a lot harder to manipulate. Switching between non-composited and composited Metacity is also a smoother transition. One, it doesn't take too long for the desktop to come up again (though it should really be as seamless as in Windows Vista). But what's more important: everything still works the same. It's just slightly more beautiful and useful. Would you recommend switching from Compiz to Metacity when your laptop goes from AC to batery power? That's not a pretty sight. While Metacity doesn't do this perfectly seamlessly either, at least it's relatively fast, and it doesn't mess up your window positions. The ideal solution would be for Metacity (or the appropriate Gnome app) to implement some of the features that Compiz provides. Scale, Animations and the Desktop Wall come to mind. Animations may sound like a useless eye-candy thing, but when done subtly, it just provides more clues as to where objects are moving toward. Right now, for example, even compositing Metacity shows some kind of black rectangle effect when minimizing. That doesn't fit with the nicely shaded windows. Bottom line: the core of Metacity is just a lot better than that of Compiz. Compiz has the advantage of a huge amount of plugins. But I don't see why Metacity couldn't get plugins itself. Does anyone know if there is any development going on with Metacity's compositing mode (or the appropriate Gnome app)? Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Open With dialog not user-friendly
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Thomas Novin thomas...@xyz.pp.se wrote: Can't the Ubuntu-community write a fix and submit it to Firefox? The bug at Mozilla has a tag helpwanted so they seem to be open to suggestions/patches. Rgds//Thomas Novin We're not allowed to, since we want to keep calling it Firefox. If we change things, we have to call it something else. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Thoughts for assisting those with limited bandwidth
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Mackenzie Morgan maco...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to know how they handle situations where the person hasn't updated in 3 weeks and the package has been updated in the meantime. Dunno if they do it like this, but I could imagine a system where the updates are personalized. So if you need a jump between 7 versions, it will be generated for you and then cached for other people. The cache could be limited for budget reasons of course, which would limit the amount of 'behind the times' people that would still receive an inremental update. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Band in a Box
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:45 PM, Rick uncleri...@cogeco.ca wrote: Forgive me if this has been handled in the past, but is there any possibility that the developers can make BIAB work properly with Ubuntu? The developers of Band in a Box can certainly do that. That's where you might want to direct your question to. Ubuntu developers can only deal with software that is supposed to work on Linux. (I don't mean with wine) Realistically, you'll only get BiaB working on your system if you run it in Wine. You can see here [1] how well it works with Wine, and if it doesn't you can file bug reports here [2]. Remco [1] http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicationiId=1094 [2] http://bugs.winehq.org/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Re: Feedback on an install of Intrepid
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 11:06 PM, scott.r.le...@gmail.com wrote: I've used Rhythmbox before and never really liked it. I can't really say what I didn't like about it, it always felt too heavyweight (much like Exaile did as well). For music playing I'm very much of the school of old school Winamp/XMMS. I don't need a lot of fancy album art, or autoscrobbling last fm stuff. Give me a playlist and minimize to the tray, and I'm good. You can easily configure Rhythmbox to look like that. Here [1] you see Rhythmbox without any plugins enabled, playing a simple playlist I quickly threw together. Here [2] you see a minimal view of Rhythmbox, achieved by hitting Ctrl+D. You can also minimize it to the notification area by clicking on its icon there. Remco PS: you don't see a menu bar in my screenshots because I use the Global Menu [3], screenshot [4]. [1] http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=wb58xls=5 [2] http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=jhu3afs=5 [3] http://code.google.com/p/gnome2-globalmenu/ [4] http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2rvxv1fs=5 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: too complicated
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Nils Kassube kass...@gmx.net wrote: Well, it is not necessarily a question of attitude. If I want to give advice about the graphical way I have to guess what the English translation of menu entries, tab names, etc. might be because I use a localized version. A CLI advice is always the same command independant of the localization. This does not have to be a problem. If you want to give advise in English, you can create another user with System » Administration » Users and Groups, and switch to it temporarily using the User Switcher applet. While logging in you can choose the English language. After giving advise, you can switch back again. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: too complicated
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Nils Kassube kass...@gmx.net wrote: Yes, I know about that possibility. I do use that approach sometimes if there is only a GUI way. But I really don't want to do that every time I can help because IMHO it is a real PITA. If it would be a requirement to only give advice the GUI way, I would certainly cease to help. Another way that is even easier is to choose to Create new logins in nested windows by right-clicking the User Switcher applet, choosing Preferences and ticking the appropriate box. That will open new logins in a new window in your existing login through xnest. I see no reason why that would be a pita. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user
The only things that Ubiquity gets from the internet, are certain language packs. So let's make it really easy: if such a language is chosen, a message will appear (not a popup, but a message at the bottom of the screen) that reads You need an internet connection to install this language.. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Remco remc...@gmail.com wrote: The only things that Ubiquity gets from the internet, are certain language packs. So let's make it really easy: if such a language is chosen, a message will appear (not a popup, but a message at the bottom of the screen) that reads You need an internet connection to install this language.. Remco Come to think of it, what happens with the current installer if a user chooses such a language without an internet connection? Will it just hang? Will it install software without a language? Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Bringing Wine into Main
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Odysseus Flappington derizio...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure if this is relevant to wine going into main, but I have to admit, I find it very frustrating in Intrepid that whenever i stick in a cd with an autorun or windows executable, it comes up with an autorun dialog which i have to cancel and which i would never have used since im using crossover linux or cedega anyway. Alex Is it not Crossover's or Cedega's job to disable it, or reroute it to their app? Ubuntu can't support propriëtary software. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Are file permissions in files on external devices silly?
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Aaron Toponce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What your brother doesn't realize, is that when you take files from system to system, OS to OS, you're going to encounter these headaches. It's just the way these things go. It doesn't have to. Ubuntu knows which devices are removable. Having user and group ids enforced on them is silly, because these devices are supposed to be switched between machines, which means that any machine with root access can break this security feature. It can be solved by simply not enforcing user and group ids on removable devices. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: [strawman] partual support of apps for policykit for Jaunty
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 2:01 AM, tacone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I talked some time ago (1 year) to a gedit developer and he told me that he had a bunch of other things to accomplish things. He wasn't countrary in line of principle. It has been mentioned that the best way to fix this is to make gvfs support PolicyKit. That requires changes only in one program. But as a temporary fix, Gedit could implement PolicyKit. That solves most problems. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Version Control
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:22 PM, (``-_-´´) -- Fernando [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I meant flyback. http://flyback-project.org/ There's also TimeVault: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeVault Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA
One compelling reason (which I also posted on that launchpad thread) not to keep on using Firefox is that Mozilla can hurt Ubuntu with this stuff. They can demand all kinds of stuff way too late in Ubuntu's development cycle, with no time for Ubuntu to properly respond to it. The web browser is a very important part of Ubuntu, and that puts Mozilla in a perfect position to blackmail Ubuntu. That should never happen again, so all trademarks without a clear, perpetual, free-software compatible license should be removed from Ubuntu. I'd go further to say that trademarks are inherently incompatible with free-software, since their sole purpose is to give the owners the power to restrict use of their trademark. That one purpose becomes void if you slap a free-software compatible license on it. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA
Giving out CDs for an early celebration of Software Freedom Day yesterday, we were asked *very* often if Ubuntu had a web browser. Yes, Firefox Oh good, I use that on Windows. #1: Same response, and they're used to click-throughs anyway #2: We'd have to explain all the trademark stuff and they'd be wondering why we're changing Firefox (hey, why is that anyway?), why anyone cares, etc. having to go more into the messy legal stuff. Or you say: Yes, it's Firefox with a few improvements such as security, plugin-manager, and no nag screens. #3: Yes, it's called Epiphany. But Firefox is available too, if you're used to that. I guess we could say it's like Safari on a Mac since it's the same rendering engine... So nobody switches to a Mac, because it has Safari, and not Firefox as a default? Whatever browser you choose, you choose the best one and tell your friends that it's a great browser. Firefox is not the reason people switch to Ubuntu. It's the reason people can continue using Windows. And just like Internet Explorer, Firefox, Safari and Chrome, Epiphany can be a brand, too. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: feedback on new wiki theme
This gives you an ie6.css file that's rendered in all IEs before IE7, and an ie7.css that's rendered in all IEs before IE8. IE8 allegedly won't need its own file of special cases, but it should be obvious how to extend the technique if you find that's not the case. This technique is based on that recommended by the IE team for including IE-specific CSS: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/10/12/480242.aspx Why would the Ubuntu wiki have to be readable by IE, let alone by IE6? Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Intuitive Popup Scrollbars
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 12:16 AM, vicho minkov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/8/15 Mackenzie Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] I remember if you clicked and held the center button/scroll wheel on Windows you could drag the page around a bit as well, to keep from having to go to the scrollbar. Can't figure out how to do that on Ubuntu, but then I'd rather not sacrifice middle-click-to-paste either. You may be right that middle-click-to-paste should not be sacrificed but I think this feature is REALLY helpful and should be available at least as an option in Ubuntu. :) Vicho Maybe scrolling itself could be sacrificed. What if we use the scroll wheel like this: when you scroll down, actual scrolling down will start, and will increase in speed if you keep turning the wheel. It will only slow down, and eventually stop if you scroll up again. The same goes for scrolling in the upward direction. Sort of like the middle-click scroll behaviour in Windows, only without the clicking, and using the scroll wheel instead. Middle-click can then continue to be used like it is used now. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Tahoma (or, Does anyone have a copy of Microsoft Office 97 Developer Edition?)
That's quite ingenious! ;-) However, does the Wine project not already provide a Tahoma replacement? Maybe efforts could be spent on improving quality of that font instead, if necessary. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Disappointed with Ubuntu Server, could be used by such a wider audience
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Stephan Hermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But what do you (not you in particular) want to do at home? Setting up a webserver is easy...and adding a drupal or blog software, too. The default apache2 package from debian/ubuntu gives you most of the needed setup from the time after installation. You just need to adjust at least your IP or your hostname, but that's it. No need to install dangerous third level tool which are playing with the config and adding mostly uneeded stuff. What if you want to set up a (POP+SMTP) mail server? That's a lot more involved than just installing a package. It should be as easy as installing it and adding allowed addresses+logins. As you said, Apache is already that easy (though becomes more powerful with rapache), why stop there? What about a file/music/video server? A family has bought a box which will be used as central storage. Any computer in the LAN must have access to it (through NFS? Samba?), and the family wants to be able to play music by just starting Rhythmbox and discovering the server. The same goes for videos and Totem. but there is a difference between really doing admin work, where you need to touch the config files in /etc or whereever and the simple work you need to do at home..I know those lamp tools from windows, and it's horrible how those packages are degrading your system to a potential security risk for you and your family, because it's too easy to do something really stupid. That's what the GUI needs to prevent: doing stupid things. A GUI can do this much better than a configuration file. A GUI usually forces a sane configuration, while a config file has limitless possibilities. For example: I can imagine a simple button for a hypothetical Ubuntu Home Server which says: Enable weblog. It will make sure a LAMP server is set up properly, and some default weblog software will be installed. Everything has been secured by default, through the system login. It just tells the user that it can find his weblog at a certain URL. It will also give directions for setting up the router and buying a domain name in order to make it accessible to the world. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: making deals with M$
I think it's ok to facilitate the purchase of codecs to watch content from the non-free world, but why is the video on the site in a non-free format? http://www.canonical.com/netbooks If you want to work to make sure that open codecs become more widely adopted, then you should start providing videos in those codecs. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: making deals with M$
Mark (Shuttleworth), You know, I mostly agree with this viewpoint. (I should also point out that I wasn't really a part of this discussion, as I only commented on the non-free codec of the video) There is no point in preventing users from watching their non-free videos legally. And it is probably sensible to provide the codecs by default on consumer devices, because they can't be expected to be connected to the internet to solve the codec problem. I only have/had two problems with the situation, and that's not something against Canonical per se: 1. The site provided a non-free video, which means that it assumes a non-free system. More worryingly, it shows that the ones who created the page (Canonical) made that assumption. So it is not only impractical (you need a non-free codec), or a bad example for open source, but it's also a tiny insight in the state of mind of Canonical. They obviously care about open source, and I think they are the big break for open source, but they still occasionally drop into speaking a non-free language, if you will. Please also think about this scenario: An Ubuntu user comes across a site with a video. It has a big play button, and also a link to a Theora version of it. The Ubuntu user wants to play the video, so he clicks on the play button. Totem now asks if he wants to install something to view the video. It says that there are certain moral and legal issues with it, but he is promised that he can watch the video if he clicks on Install. He's curious about this video, so he accepts. The Theora version that would have kept his system free has been completely bypassed. 2. As you can see, the problem of awareness remains. No OEM in their right mind will provide an Ubuntu-based device, whether it is a consumer device or a desktop computer, without proprietary codec support. How are their users going to learn about free file formats, and why it is important? For them it's not even important anymore, because they can play it anyway. This continues the ruling of the proprietary codec organizations. I don't think there is a real solution to the second problem that doesn't violate the user-friendliness people have come to expect from their devices. Teaching the user about non-free issues automatically makes the system less user-friendly. A balance must be sought. For a PC install, that balance has been found at the installation level: a codec is not provided by default, but can be easily installed after you've read the issues involved. I have not used a Dell computer, but my guess is that those computers are tainted out of the box. For these netbook devices, there will be a large number of people that don't care about computers at all, so how much sense is there really in trying to teach them about free software and file formats? It all boils down to the fact that teaching the user is never a good strategy. There is only so much you can do. Providing the correct information when you can might be ineffective, but it's also all you can, or want to do. The people who are potentially attracted to the free software philosophy will learn about it anyway. That's probably enough. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: making deals with M$
And just for kicks they annoy their primary user base by providing the video in MP4 format. Real classy, Canonical. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Does metacity compositor use acceleration?
On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Andreas Schildbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: chombee wrote: Does the compositor that you can enable in metacity in hardy use 3D acceleration? Yes, it does. I like it better than compiz (the alt-tab isn't broken for one thing) but it seems slow. Actually, on my i915GMS Metacity compositing is much faster than Compiz. And a lot less buggy. Maybe Normal visual effects (Appearance Preferences) should use Metacity rather than Compiz? Regards, Andreas Wasn't it the plan to make Metacity obsolete by making a fallback for Compiz that doesn't use the graphics card for compositing? That would make a switch very smooth. Use cases would be battery use, or people that don't have a graphics card. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu
On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 2:33 AM, Mackenzie Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, there aren't any ext3 defrag tools anyway (ok maybe a few userspace ones, but that seems unusual), so we can avoid *that* bit of the argument, but there is NTFS support, and that definitely *does* need to be defragged. Yeah, it's weird. NTFS does fragment a deal more than any Unix filesystem I know, but Unix filesystems still fragment! Quite a bit, too, if you have only 1% of free space like I always seem to have. ;-) The question of course, is: does that make filesystem operations much slower? I don't have any hard data on that. Just a gut-feeling that says Yes. But maybe I shouldn't have mentioned it. It's not really the point of my post, which was to present my take on a logical collection of configuration applets. With less than 10 very distinctive options, someone is going to be able to make the choice much easier. Imagine someone thinking: I want to change my screen resolution. Oh, there's the Appearance menu. Well, that must have something to do with the screen, so it would probably be there, right? Wrong! Ok, but now I've found it: Screen Resolution! Oh crap, it doesn't list my LCD's native resolution. Some people might make it all the way to System → Administration → Screens Graphics, but I guess most people will have given up by now. Compare that to: I want to change my screen resolution. Oh, there is Display. That seems to be the only sensible place to put this option. And there is the tab Resolution. Oh crap, it doesn't list his native resolution. Oh well, let's try Advanced. Yay, there it is! Something like that. I haven't really thought it through that much. I'm sure there are better ways to organise the complete system configuration. But this list of 30 applets (yes, 30!) just has to go. Even MS Vista, with its many Centers has a less daunting configuration system. No flame intended for the one that originally introduced these menus. It has grown a lot with all those new graphical configuration applets. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu
On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 3:37 AM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondering. Do any of you know how this is technically implemented and what it could possibly effect? -Cory K. I browsed a bit through my filesystem, and it seems like the menu consists of a bunch of files in /usr/share/menu. The applets itself are just programs that change config files. So basically, this affects all those programs (or rather, about 10 new ones that steal a lot of code from the old ones) and the files in that directory. There is also this new PolicyKit feature of Hardy, which actually makes these changes feasible. What it could éffect is a very easy to use configuration system, and more importantly: happy users! ;-) Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Transmission as default bittorrent client
Hello, I'm new here, I would like to comment on the decision to make Transmission the default bittorrent client in Hardy. Why was this program chosen? It seems to me (though, as a fan, I'm biased) that Deluge is more popular and more familiar (looks like µTorrent Azureus). Transmission has a bit of a clunky interface by opening another window for torrent-details. This didn't work for GIMP, and it doesn't work for Transmission either. Deluge supports some features many users need like DHT and blocklists. Plus, it has this plugin-system going for them, kind of like Firefox. Add to that the fact that you can run it on Windows, so you can also include it in the Windows autostart-menu of the cd. What are your thoughts? I hope I didn't jump into this mailing-list too loudly... :) Cheers, Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
