[Unicon-group] Programming exercise

[Steve Graham]

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 posts interesting problems requiring some programming, presents his solution 
(typically in Scheme I think) and then invites others to present solutions.  I 
took the occasion for this problem 
(https://programmingpraxis.com/2017/03/17/word-sets/) to post one in my work 
language, MUMPS.  I thought to also present one in Unicon, but I admit that 
what skills I had are rusty from non-use.

I wonder if one of you guys/gals would like to take a shot.  He seems open to 
different languages.

Steve
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Re: [Unicon-group] Unable to build from Alpha 13.0

[Steve Graham]

Thanks, Bruce and Clint.  Getting closer.
The program segment is:
import gui$include "guih.icn"## To do# 1.  On saving home teachers and 
families, only save those which are not assigned to routes#
global dataStore, filef, fileht, filer, fromRoute, itemToBeMoved, 
procedureStore, routes
class Untitled : Dialog(panel_1, border_1, save_button, cancel_button, 
Route_1_Checkbox, Route_1_List, Route_1_label, Route_1_Families, 
Route_2_Checkbox, Route_2_List, Route_2_label, Route_2_Families, 
Route_3_Checkbox, Route_3_List, Route_3_label, Route_3_Families, 
Route_4_Checkbox, Route_4_List, Route_4_label, Route_4_Families, 
Route_5_Checkbox, Route_5_List, Route_5_label, Route_5_Families, 
Route_6_Checkbox, Route_6_List, Route_6_label, Route_6_Families, 
Route_7_Checkbox, Route_7_List, Route_7_label, Route_7_Families, 
Route_8_Checkbox, Route_8_List, Route_8_label, Route_8_Families, 
Route_9_Checkbox, Route_9_List, Route_9_label, Route_9_Families, 
Route_10_Checkbox, Route_10_List, Route_10_label, Route_10_Families, 
Route_11_Checkbox, Route_11_List, Route_11_label, Route_11_Families, 
Route_12_Checkbox, Route_12_List, Route_12_label, Route_12_Families, 
Route_13_Checkbox, Route_13_List, Route_13_label, Route_13_Families, 
Route_14_Checkbox, Route_14_List, Route_14_label, Route_14_Families, 
Route_15_Checkbox, Route_15_List, Route_15_label, Route_15_Families, 
Route_16_Checkbox, Route_16_List, Route_16_label, Route_16_Families, 
Route_17_Checkbox, Route_17_List, Route_17_label, Route_17_Families, 
Route_18_Checkbox, Route_18_List, Route_18_label, Route_18_Families, 
Route_19_Checkbox, Route_19_List, Route_19_label, Route_19_Families, 
Route_20_Checkbox, Route_20_List, Route_20_label, Route_20_Families, 
Route_21_Checkbox, Route_21_List, Route_21_label, Route_21_Families, 
Route_22_Checkbox, Route_22_List, Route_22_label, Route_22_Families, 
Route_23_Checkbox, Route_23_List, Route_23_label, Route_23_Families, 
Route_24_Checkbox, Route_24_List, Route_24_label, Route_24_Families, 
Route_25_Checkbox, Route_25_List, Route_25_label, Route_25_Families, 
Route_26_Checkbox, Route_26_List, Route_26_label, Route_26_Families, 
Route_27_Checkbox, Route_27_List, Route_27_label, Route_27_Families, 
Route_28_Checkbox, Route_28_List, Route_28_label, Route_28_Families, 
Route_29_Checkbox, Route_29_List, Route_29_label, Route_29_Families, 
Route_30_Checkbox, Route_30_List, Route_30_label, Route_30_Families, 
Route_31_Checkbox, Route_31_List, Route_31_label, Route_31_Families, 
Route_32_Checkbox, Route_32_List, Route_32_label, Route_32_Families, 
Route_33_Checkbox, Route_33_List, Route_33_label, Route_33_Families, 
Route_34_Checkbox, Route_34_List, Route_34_label, Route_34_Families, 
Route_35_Checkbox, Route_35_List, Route_35_label, Route_35_Families, 
Route_36_Checkbox, Route_36_List, Route_36_label, Route_36_Families)
   method component_setup() <-- Line 12      self.setup()   end
global dataStore, filef, fileht, filer, fromRoute, itemToBeMoved, 
procedureStore, routes
steve@steve-Satellite-L555D:/opt/unicon/bin$ echo $IPATH/opt/unicon/ipl/lib 
/opt/unicon/ipl /opt/unicon/uni /opt/unicon/uni/ide /opt/unicon/uni/3d 
/opt/unicon/uni/gui /opt/unicon/uni/gui/ivib /opt/unicon/uni/ide 
/opt/unicon/uni/lib /opt/unicon/uni/parser /opt/unicon/uni/udb 
/opt/unicon/uni/udb/dta /opt/unicon/uni/udb/lib /opt/unicon/uni/unicon 
/opt/unicon/uni/unidep /opt/unicon/uni/unidoc /opt/unicon/uni/unilib 
/opt/unicon/uni/util /opt/unicon/uni/xml /opt/unicon/local /opt/unicon/ipl/incl 
/opt/unicon/ipl/procs opt/unicon/ipl/gincl
steve@steve-Satellite-L555D:/opt/unicon/bin$ echo $LPATH/opt/unicon/ipl/lib 
/opt/unicon/ipl /opt/unicon/uni /opt/unicon/uni/ide /opt/unicon/uni/3d 
/opt/unicon/uni/gui /opt/unicon/uni/gui/ivib /opt/unicon/uni/ide 
/opt/unicon/uni/lib /opt/unicon/uni/parser /opt/unicon/uni/udb 
/opt/unicon/uni/udb/dta /opt/unicon/uni/udb/lib /opt/unicon/uni/unicon 
/opt/unicon/uni/unidep /opt/unicon/uni/unidoc /opt/unicon/uni/unilib 
/opt/unicon/uni/util /opt/unicon/uni/xml /opt/unicon/local /opt/unicon/ipl/incl 
/opt/unicon/ipl/procs opt/unicon/ipl/gincl
steve@steve-Satellite-L555D:/opt/unicon/bin$ unicon ht.icnFile guih.icn; Line 
11 # $include: cannot open "keysyms.icn"
steve@steve-Satellite-L555D:/opt/unicon/bin$ 
keysyms.icn is in the /opt/unicon/ipl/gincl directory, which is the last one in 
IPATH and LPATH (which are identical).  Not sure why the file cannot be opened. 
 In the past this error message seemed to indicate that it could not be found.
Ideas?
Thanks again, Steve  From: Bruce & Breeanna Rennie <bren...@dcsi.net.au>
 To: Steve Graham <jsgraha...@yahoo.com>; Unicon Group 
<unicon-group@lists.sourceforge.net> 
 Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 7:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] Unable to build from Alpha 13.0
  
Good evening Steve,

Is the IPL on your IPATH variable.

When I do the following

echo $IPATH

I get the following output

/home/bruce/unicon/ipl/lib /home/bruce/unicon/ipl /

Re: [Unicon-group] Unable to build from Alpha 13.0

[Steve Graham]

Clint,
Thanks, those instructions did the trick.
A few years ago with your help and those of others here in this group, I 
created my first real Windows GUI program.  I did such on a Windows 7 computer 
and tried recompiling that program today on my Ubuntu 16.04 system.  It fails 
to compile and I can't figure out why.
import gui$include "guih.icn"## To do# 1.  On saving home teachers and 
families, only save those which are not assigned to routes#
global dataStore, filef, fileht, filer, fromRoute, itemToBeMoved, 
procedureStore, routes
class Untitled : Dialog(panel_1, border_1, save_button, cancel_button, 
Route_1_Checkbox, Route_1_List, Route_1_label, Route_1_Families, 
Route_2_Checkbox, Route_2_List, Route_2_label, Route_2_Families, 
Route_3_Checkbox, Route_3_List, Route_3_label, Route_3_Families, 
Route_4_Checkbox, Route_4_List, Route_4_label, Route_4_Families, 
Route_5_Checkbox, Route_5_List, Route_5_label, Route_5_Families, 
Route_6_Checkbox, Route_6_List, Route_6_label, Route_6_Families, 
Route_7_Checkbox, Route_7_List, Route_7_label, Route_7_Families, 
Route_8_Checkbox, Route_8_List, Route_8_label, Route_8_Families, 
Route_9_Checkbox, Route_9_List, Route_9_label, Route_9_Families, 
Route_10_Checkbox, Route_10_List, Route_10_label, Route_10_Families, 
Route_11_Checkbox, Route_11_List, Route_11_label, Route_11_Families, 
Route_12_Checkbox, Route_12_List, Route_12_label, Route_12_Families, 
Route_13_Checkbox, Route_13_List, Route_13_label, Route_13_Families, 
Route_14_Checkbox, Route_14_List, Route_14_label, Route_14_Families, 
Route_15_Checkbox, Route_15_List, Route_15_label, Route_15_Families, 
Route_16_Checkbox, Route_16_List, Route_16_label, Route_16_Families, 
Route_17_Checkbox, Route_17_List, Route_17_label, Route_17_Families, 
Route_18_Checkbox, Route_18_List, Route_18_label, Route_18_Families, 
Route_19_Checkbox, Route_19_List, Route_19_label, Route_19_Families, 
Route_20_Checkbox, Route_20_List, Route_20_label, Route_20_Families, 
Route_21_Checkbox, Route_21_List, Route_21_label, Route_21_Families, 
Route_22_Checkbox, Route_22_List, Route_22_label, Route_22_Families, 
Route_23_Checkbox, Route_23_List, Route_23_label, Route_23_Families, 
Route_24_Checkbox, Route_24_List, Route_24_label, Route_24_Families, 
Route_25_Checkbox, Route_25_List, Route_25_label, Route_25_Families, 
Route_26_Checkbox, Route_26_List, Route_26_label, Route_26_Families, 
Route_27_Checkbox, Route_27_List, Route_27_label, Route_27_Families, 
Route_28_Checkbox, Route_28_List, Route_28_label, Route_28_Families, 
Route_29_Checkbox, Route_29_List, Route_29_label, Route_29_Families, 
Route_30_Checkbox, Route_30_List, Route_30_label, Route_30_Families, 
Route_31_Checkbox, Route_31_List, Route_31_label, Route_31_Families, 
Route_32_Checkbox, Route_32_List, Route_32_label, Route_32_Families, 
Route_33_Checkbox, Route_33_List, Route_33_label, Route_33_Families, 
Route_34_Checkbox, Route_34_List, Route_34_label, Route_34_Families, 
Route_35_Checkbox, Route_35_List, Route_35_label, Route_35_Families, 
Route_36_Checkbox, Route_36_List, Route_36_label, Route_36_Families)
...
---
steve@steve-Satellite-L555D:~/Desktop/HT$ icont 
ht.icnTranslating:ht.icn:ht.icn:1: # "import": invalid declarationht.icn:8: # 
";": invalid declaration  main  copyFile  getSelection  handleAllHomeTeachers  
handleFamily  handleHomeTeacher  labelToList  LoadTable  makeRouteLabel  
makeSelectionList  printReport  putSelection  removeDistrict  
repaintSelectionList  SaveData  saveTable  sortedList  toInternalIndex2 errors
---
steve@steve-Satellite-L555D:~/Desktop/HT$ unicon ht.icnFile ht.icn; Line 2 # 
$include: cannot open "guih.icn"
steve@steve-Satellite-L555D:~/Desktop/HT$

  From: "Jeffery, Clint (jeffe...@uidaho.edu)" <jeffe...@uidaho.edu>
 To: Unicon Group <unicon-group@lists.sourceforge.net>; Steve Graham 
<jsgraha...@yahoo.com> 
 Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 5:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] Unable to build from Alpha 13.0
   
#yiv8453922257 #yiv8453922257 -- P 
{margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}#yiv8453922257 Hi Steve,
It sounds like you've got your path problem sorted out for an existing session 
by manually setting it, but you still want a path solution that will work 
automatically for each shell session in future.  You know, UNIX is a wonderful 
thing, and one of thewonderful parts is that it has so many shells with 
different initialization files.  For example, you set your path in .profile, 
butyou don't mention what your shell is.  Maybe you needed to set it in .bashrc 
instead of .profile.  Or maybe you needed to setit in .cshrc, with different 
syntax.  And you probably already know that after adding Unicon to your path in 
one of these files,you have to either reboot, or re-login, or at least run the 
"source" command, in order for your change to take effect.

If I am walking into a generic UNIX and don't know what shell I am running, I 
run "ps&

Re: [Unicon-group] Unable to build from Alpha 13.0

[Steve Graham]

I downloaded the file from http://unicon.org/dist/uni.zip
steve@steve-Satellite-L555D:/opt/unicon/bin$ ./unicon -featuresUnicon Version 
13.0 alpha.  Oct 1, 2015UNIXPOSIXDBMASCIIco-expressionsdynamic 
loadingenvironment variablesevent monitoringexternal functionskeyboard 
functionslarge integersmultiple programspattern typepipespseudo terminalssystem 
functionmessaginggraphicsX Windowslibz file compressionJPEG imagesPNG 
imagesCCompiler gcc 5.4.0Physical memory: 3878723584 bytesRevision Arch 
x86_64CPU cores 2Binaries at 
/opt/unicon/bin/steve@steve-Satellite-L555D:/opt/unicon/bin$ 
I tried adding /opt/unicon/bin to /etc/profile and ~/.profile, but the PATH was 
unchanged when starting up a new terminal.
When adding them to the PATH of an existing terminal, I am able to start ui and 
within ui am able to compile and run the program (only if it ends in .icn 
though).

Thanks, Steve
  From: Jafar Al-Gharaibeh <to.ja...@gmail.com>
 To: Steve Graham <jsgraha...@yahoo.com> 
Cc: "Jeffery, Clint (jeffe...@uidaho.edu)" <jeffe...@uidaho.edu>; Unicon Group 
<unicon-group@lists.sourceforge.net>
 Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] Unable to build from Alpha 13.0
   
Hello Steve,
    Are you building off svn checkout? or downloading the zipped sources from 
unicon.org?     "unicon -features" tells you which revision you have exactly. 
That might be useful when reporting a problem.
    I tested ui and didn't and it worked with a hello world program. However 
the lines "Script started... Script done" lines seems to be something that 
shouldn't be there, I don't remember seeing them before.
Do you have "/opt/unicon/bin/" in your path?
--Jafar
 
On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 1:31 PM Steve Graham <jsgraha...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Another question on setup.
I downloaded and compiled Unicon again on the same system.  After remembering 
to make the change to Makedefs, it worked fine.  I placed the unicon directory 
in /opt.
I'm having trouble compiling from ui:
steve@steve-Satellite-L555D:/opt/unicon/bin$ ./ui <-- Brings up ui

Typing in the Hello Amigo program I select Run/Run, which results in a terminal 
window coming up which says:
Script started, file is /tmp/ui17730737.tmpbash: ./Hello-Amigo: No such file or 
directoryScript done, file is /tmp/ui17730737.tmp
steve@steve-Satellite-L555D:/tmp$ cat ui17730737.tmp Script started on Thu 15 
Sep 2016 11:22:37 AM PDTbash: ./Hello-Amigo: No such file or directory
Script done on Thu 15 Sep 2016 11:22:37 AM PDTsteve@steve-Satellite-L555D:/tmp$
What am I doing wrong here?

Thanks, Steve
  From: Jafar Al-Gharaibeh <to.ja...@gmail.com>
 To: Steve Graham <jsgraha...@yahoo.com> 
Cc: "Jeffery, Clint (jeffe...@uidaho.edu)" <jeffe...@uidaho.edu>; Unicon Group 
<unicon-group@lists.sourceforge.net>
 Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 12:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] Unable to build from Alpha 13.0
   
Steve,
Thanks for the update. Not sure why you had the problem the first time. Maybe 
something went wrong during initialization/configuration. I also have see 
anonymous svn checkout/update to be unreliable/out-of-date in some rare 
occasions. I'm glad we got it sorted out anyway.
Cheers,JafarOn Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Steve Graham 
<jsgraha...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Clint:  Thanks for the suggestions.
Jafar:Your suggestions proved to be the solution.  Here is a compare between 
the original Makedefs and the generated one


steve@steve-Satellite-L555D:/ opt/unicon$ diff Makedefs.old Makedefs

25c25< RLIBS = $(LIBS) -L../../bin -lm -lgdbm -ltp -lnsl -ldl -lcrypt---> RLIBS 
= -ltp $(LIBS) -L../../bin -lm -lgdbm -lnsl -ldl 
-lcryptsteve@steve-Satellite-L555D:/ opt/unicon$ 
Not sure why the original one gave me problems because I got everything last 
week from the svn site.

Thanks, Steve

  From: Jafar Al-Gharaibeh <to.ja...@gmail.com>
 To: "Jeffery, Clint (jeffe...@uidaho.edu)" <jeffe...@uidaho.edu> 
Cc: Steve Graham <jsgraha...@yahoo.com>
 Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 8:16 AM
 Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] Unable to build from Alpha 13.0
   
Steve,
Just to make sure we get this properly fixed, I looked at my Makedef to see the 
order of the libraries. I have these lines:
AC_LIBS= -lcrypto -lssl -lpthread -lGLU -lGL -lpng -ljpeg -lX11 -lz -lcrypt 
-lnsl
LIBS = -L/usr/lib64 $(AC_JV_LDFLAGS) $(AC_GL_LDFLAGS) $(AC_LIBS) -lm

RLIBS = -ltp $(LIBS) -L../../bin -lm -lgdbm -lnsl -ldl -lcrypt

RLIBS is what eventually used at the link line, and as you can see we 
specifically placed -ltp before LIBS. I remember doing this a while back, not 
sure if the change was triggered by ssl or another library. This change has 
been in svn for a long time. The template for x86_64_linux Makedef file is 
under unicon/config/x86_64_linux/ Makedfes.
Is there a chance your Makedefs template is out of date? I suggest you do

Re: [Unicon-group] Unable to build from Alpha 13.0

[Steve Graham]

Another question on setup.
I downloaded and compiled Unicon again on the same system.  After remembering 
to make the change to Makedefs, it worked fine.  I placed the unicon directory 
in /opt.
I'm having trouble compiling from ui:
steve@steve-Satellite-L555D:/opt/unicon/bin$ ./ui <-- Brings up ui

Typing in the Hello Amigo program I select Run/Run, which results in a terminal 
window coming up which says:
Script started, file is /tmp/ui17730737.tmpbash: ./Hello-Amigo: No such file or 
directoryScript done, file is /tmp/ui17730737.tmp
steve@steve-Satellite-L555D:/tmp$ cat ui17730737.tmp Script started on Thu 15 
Sep 2016 11:22:37 AM PDTbash: ./Hello-Amigo: No such file or directory
Script done on Thu 15 Sep 2016 11:22:37 AM PDTsteve@steve-Satellite-L555D:/tmp$
What am I doing wrong here?

Thanks, Steve
  From: Jafar Al-Gharaibeh <to.ja...@gmail.com>
 To: Steve Graham <jsgraha...@yahoo.com> 
Cc: "Jeffery, Clint (jeffe...@uidaho.edu)" <jeffe...@uidaho.edu>; Unicon Group 
<unicon-group@lists.sourceforge.net>
 Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 12:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] Unable to build from Alpha 13.0
   
Steve,
Thanks for the update. Not sure why you had the problem the first time. Maybe 
something went wrong during initialization/configuration. I also have see 
anonymous svn checkout/update to be unreliable/out-of-date in some rare 
occasions. I'm glad we got it sorted out anyway.
Cheers,Jafar
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Steve Graham <jsgraha...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Clint:  Thanks for the suggestions.
Jafar:Your suggestions proved to be the solution.  Here is a compare between 
the original Makedefs and the generated one
steve@steve-Satellite-L555D:/ opt/unicon$ diff Makedefs.old Makedefs25c25< 
RLIBS = $(LIBS) -L../../bin -lm -lgdbm -ltp -lnsl -ldl -lcrypt---> RLIBS = -ltp 
$(LIBS) -L../../bin -lm -lgdbm -lnsl -ldl -lcryptsteve@steve-Satellite-L555D:/ 
opt/unicon$ 
Not sure why the original one gave me problems because I got everything last 
week from the svn site.

Thanks, Steve

  From: Jafar Al-Gharaibeh <to.ja...@gmail.com>
 To: "Jeffery, Clint (jeffe...@uidaho.edu)" <jeffe...@uidaho.edu> 
Cc: Steve Graham <jsgraha...@yahoo.com>
 Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 8:16 AM
 Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] Unable to build from Alpha 13.0
   
Steve,
Just to make sure we get this properly fixed, I looked at my Makedef to see the 
order of the libraries. I have these lines:
AC_LIBS= -lcrypto -lssl -lpthread -lGLU -lGL -lpng -ljpeg -lX11 -lz -lcrypt 
-lnsl
LIBS = -L/usr/lib64 $(AC_JV_LDFLAGS) $(AC_GL_LDFLAGS) $(AC_LIBS) -lm

RLIBS = -ltp $(LIBS) -L../../bin -lm -lgdbm -lnsl -ldl -lcrypt

RLIBS is what eventually used at the link line, and as you can see we 
specifically placed -ltp before LIBS. I remember doing this a while back, not 
sure if the change was triggered by ssl or another library. This change has 
been in svn for a long time. The template for x86_64_linux Makedef file is 
under unicon/config/x86_64_linux/ Makedfes.
Is there a chance your Makedefs template is out of date? I suggest you do "svn 
up" at the top level Unicon directory and see if you get new stuff.
Cheers,Jafar

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:26 AM Jafar Al-Gharaibeh <to.ja...@gmail.com> wrote:


For some reason my gmail's spam filter got all  Steve's emails, I got confused 
when I got the email from Clint! :) sorry I didn't help earlier. 
 From glancing through your logs and without trying on my end, I suspect the 
problem is in the order of libraries at the link line. Specially -lss should 
probably come after -ltp, and maybe the same goes for -lcrypto. After you 
configure, please edit your Unicon/Makedefs file to make the change, and 
proceed to build as usual.

Sorry Again!Jafar 
On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 7:50 PM, Jeffery, Clint (jeffe...@uidaho.edu) 
<jeffe...@uidaho.edu> wrote:

Steve,
Thanks, the extra details are necessary for us to figure out why your Unicon 
isn't building OK.  To be honest, debugging at this level of detail is probably 
not that entertaining and we should take it off of unicon-group. However, if we 
learn something of general interest, we can post back about it.
Your next step is to tell me exactly what libssl you got, from where or using 
what command, so I can try to apply the same packages to my Ubuntu machine. 
Your best hope for a quick resolution is for either myself or Jafar to be able 
to reproduce your trouble.
I also will want to know the value of your LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable 
if any, and the output of "nm" for whatever version of libssl you are linking 
in with the -lssl command. When autoconf finds a viable libssl and tells the 
make command to link it in, the same link that causes the test to pass would 
normally cause the symbols that are undefined to be included in your iconx, so 
it is a puzzler.
Cheers,Clint

From: Steve Graham <jsgraha...@yahoo.com>
S

[Unicon-group] Creating a maze game

[Steve Graham]

I would like to create a game for some grandsons:  Something that would include 
typical maze elements (walls, barriers, traps, jumping platforms, etc) and 
would allow them to enter in "code" to create or modify some of the elements.
It would be hosted on a Windows 7+ platform (platform-agnostic would be better 
for me) and would be coded in a lisp-family language (CL, Scheme, Racket, Arc, 
Logo, etc), Unicon and/or JavaScript.  I have been learning CL and Scheme, know 
a bit of Arc and Logo and a bit more of Unicon and JavaScript.
While I have been a medical information systems programmer for most of my 
career, it has been focused on CRUD (create/retrieve/update/delete) 
applications and interfacing (HL7 and proprietary).  I have virtually no 
experience with GUI and audio applications.
Here are some questions that have occurred to me:1.  Which languages would be 
best?2.  Which toolkits would help?  OpenGL?3.  Can this be done on a 
browser?4.  How does one control scrolling in different directions?  Do you 
create the screen in memory and then instruct the system to scroll in the 
direction of the newly created portion?5.  Could you interface with one of the 
available free game engines?
Obviously this would not have to be world-class.  Just something a 10 and 12 
year old might like and perhaps from which they could learn how to do some 
elementary coding.
Regarding Unicon, I would like the ability to put in code during the play of 
the game -- like eval() in other languages -- and wonder if that is even 
possible in Unicon.
I would appreciate your input.

Thanks, Steve--
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Re: [Unicon-group] Unable to build from Alpha 13.0

[Steve Graham]

Actually I misspoke.  The old one was the generated file and the other one was 
the result of my editing the generated file based upon your comments.  
Regardless thanks again.

> On Aug 15, 2016, at 12:31 PM, Jafar Al-Gharaibeh <to.ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Steve,
> 
> Thanks for the update. Not sure why you had the problem the first time. Maybe 
> something went wrong during initialization/configuration. I also have see 
> anonymous svn checkout/update to be unreliable/out-of-date in some rare 
> occasions. I'm glad we got it sorted out anyway.
> 
> Cheers,
> Jafar
> 
>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Steve Graham <jsgraha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Clint:  Thanks for the suggestions.
>> 
>> Jafar:
>> Your suggestions proved to be the solution.  Here is a compare between the 
>> original Makedefs and the generated one
>> 
>> steve@steve-Satellite-L555D:/opt/unicon$ diff Makedefs.old Makedefs
>> 25c25
>> < RLIBS = $(LIBS) -L../../bin -lm -lgdbm -ltp -lnsl -ldl -lcrypt
>> ---
>> > RLIBS = -ltp $(LIBS) -L../../bin -lm -lgdbm -lnsl -ldl -lcrypt
>> steve@steve-Satellite-L555D:/opt/unicon$ 
>> 
>> Not sure why the original one gave me problems because I got everything last 
>> week from the svn site.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks, Steve
>> 
>> From: Jafar Al-Gharaibeh <to.ja...@gmail.com>
>> To: "Jeffery, Clint (jeffe...@uidaho.edu)" <jeffe...@uidaho.edu> 
>> Cc: Steve Graham <jsgraha...@yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 8:16 AM
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] Unable to build from Alpha 13.0
>> 
>> Steve,
>> 
>> Just to make sure we get this properly fixed, I looked at my Makedef to see 
>> the order of the libraries. I have these lines:
>> 
>> AC_LIBS= -lcrypto -lssl -lpthread -lGLU -lGL -lpng -ljpeg -lX11 -lz -lcrypt 
>> -lnsl
>> 
>> LIBS = -L/usr/lib64 $(AC_JV_LDFLAGS) $(AC_GL_LDFLAGS) $(AC_LIBS) -lm
>> 
>> RLIBS = -ltp $(LIBS) -L../../bin -lm -lgdbm -lnsl -ldl -lcrypt
>> 
>> RLIBS is what eventually used at the link line, and as you can see we 
>> specifically placed -ltp before LIBS. I remember doing this a while back, 
>> not sure if the change was triggered by ssl or another library. This change 
>> has been in svn for a long time. The template for x86_64_linux Makedef file 
>> is under unicon/config/x86_64_linux/Makedfes.
>> 
>> Is there a chance your Makedefs template is out of date? I suggest you do 
>> "svn up" at the top level Unicon directory and see if you get new stuff.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Jafar
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:26 AM Jafar Al-Gharaibeh <to.ja...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> For some reason my gmail's spam filter got all  Steve's emails, I got 
>> confused when I got the email from Clint! :) sorry I didn't help earlier. 
>> 
>>  From glancing through your logs and without trying on my end, I suspect the 
>> problem is in the order of libraries at the link line. Specially -lss should 
>> probably come after -ltp, and maybe the same goes for -lcrypto. After you 
>> configure, please edit your Unicon/Makedefs file to make the change, and 
>> proceed to build as usual.
>> 
>> 
>> Sorry Again!
>> Jafar
>>  
>> 
>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 7:50 PM, Jeffery, Clint (jeffe...@uidaho.edu) 
>> <jeffe...@uidaho.edu> wrote:
>> Steve,
>> 
>> Thanks, the extra details are necessary for us to figure out why your Unicon 
>> isn't building OK.  To be honest, debugging at this level of detail is 
>> probably not that entertaining and we should take it off of unicon-group. 
>> However, if we learn something of general interest, we can post back about 
>> it.
>> 
>> Your next step is to tell me exactly what libssl you got, from where or 
>> using what command, so I can try to apply the same packages to my Ubuntu 
>> machine. Your best hope for a quick resolution is for either myself or Jafar 
>> to be able to reproduce your trouble.
>> 
>> I also will want to know the value of your LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment 
>> variable if any, and the output of "nm" for whatever version of libssl you 
>> are linking in with the -lssl command. When autoconf finds a viable libssl 
>> and tells the make command to link it in, the same link that causes the test 
>> to pass would normally cause the symbols that are undefined to be included 
>> in your iconx, so it is a puzzler.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Clint
>> 
>>  
>> From: Steve 

Re: [Unicon-group] Unable to build from Alpha 13.0

[Steve Graham]

As an Icon and currently a Unicon user I do appreciate all of the time and 
effort you two have spent in maintaining and enhancing the language and in 
answering questions.  Thanks so much.

Steve

> On Aug 15, 2016, at 10:07 PM, Jafar Al-Gharaibeh <to.ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, I recall similar issues happening at different occasions. It is always 
> tricky to get the libraries/configuration right all the time with us trying 
> to support all Major OSs. The Mac especially used to be behind, but not 
> anymore with both Clint and myself owning Macs for development and testing. I 
> regularly  build and test on Linux/Windows/Mac, 32/64 bits, and ARM/x86. 
> 
> --Jafar
> 
> 
>
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 6:18 PM Richard H. McCullough <r...@pioneerca.com> 
>> wrote:
>> Jafar
>> You might recall that I had a similar problem a couple of years ago
>> when building Unicon on a Mac. The standard Unicon files caused
>> the GDB files to be single .db files because the GDB library was in
>> the wrong order in RLIBS.
>> 
>> Dick McCullough
>> 
>> From: to.ja...@gmail.com
>> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 14:31:51 -0500
>> To: jsgraha...@yahoo.com
>> CC: jeffe...@uidaho.edu; unicon-group@lists.sourceforge.net
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] Unable to build from Alpha 13.0
>> 
>> Steve,
>> 
>> Thanks for the update. Not sure why you had the problem the first time. 
>> Maybe something went wrong during initialization/configuration. I also have 
>> see anonymous svn checkout/update to be unreliable/out-of-date in some rare 
>> occasions. I'm glad we got it sorted out anyway.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Jafar
>> 
>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Steve Graham <jsgraha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Clint:  Thanks for the suggestions.
>> 
>> Jafar:
>> Your suggestions proved to be the solution.  Here is a compare between the 
>> original Makedefs and the generated one
>> 
>> steve@steve-Satellite-L555D:/opt/unicon$ diff Makedefs.old Makedefs
>> 25c25
>> < RLIBS = $(LIBS) -L../../bin -lm -lgdbm -ltp -lnsl -ldl -lcrypt
>> ---
>> > RLIBS = -ltp $(LIBS) -L../../bin -lm -lgdbm -lnsl -ldl -lcrypt
>> steve@steve-Satellite-L555D:/opt/unicon$ 
>> 
>> Not sure why the original one gave me problems because I got everything last 
>> week from the svn site.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks, Steve
>> 
>> From: Jafar Al-Gharaibeh <to.ja...@gmail.com>
>> To: "Jeffery, Clint (jeffe...@uidaho.edu)" <jeffe...@uidaho.edu> 
>> Cc: Steve Graham <jsgraha...@yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 8:16 AM
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] Unable to build from Alpha 13.0
>> 
>> Steve,
>> 
>> Just to make sure we get this properly fixed, I looked at my Makedef to see 
>> the order of the libraries. I have these lines:
>> 
>> AC_LIBS= -lcrypto -lssl -lpthread -lGLU -lGL -lpng -ljpeg -lX11 -lz -lcrypt 
>> -lnsl
>> 
>> LIBS = -L/usr/lib64 $(AC_JV_LDFLAGS) $(AC_GL_LDFLAGS) $(AC_LIBS) -lm
>> 
>> RLIBS = -ltp $(LIBS) -L../../bin -lm -lgdbm -lnsl -ldl -lcrypt
>> 
>> RLIBS is what eventually used at the link line, and as you can see we 
>> specifically placed -ltp before LIBS. I remember doing this a while back, 
>> not sure if the change was triggered by ssl or another library. This change 
>> has been in svn for a long time. The template for x86_64_linux Makedef file 
>> is under unicon/config/x86_64_linux/Makedfes.
>> 
>> Is there a chance your Makedefs template is out of date? I suggest you do 
>> "svn up" at the top level Unicon directory and see if you get new stuff.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Jafar
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:26 AM Jafar Al-Gharaibeh <to.ja...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> For some reason my gmail's spam filter got all  Steve's emails, I got 
>> confused when I got the email from Clint! :) sorry I didn't help earlier. 
>> 
>>  From glancing through your logs and without trying on my end, I suspect the 
>> problem is in the order of libraries at the link line. Specially -lss should 
>> probably come after -ltp, and maybe the same goes for -lcrypto. After you 
>> configure, please edit your Unicon/Makedefs file to make the change, and 
>> proceed to build as usual.
>> 
>> 
>> Sorry Again!
>> Jafar
>>  
>> 
>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 7:50 PM, Jeffery, Clint (jeffe...@uidaho.edu) 
>> <jeffe...@uidaho.edu> wrote:
>> Steve,
>> 

Re: [Unicon-group] Unable to build from Alpha 13.0

[Steve Graham]

Clint:  Thanks for the suggestions.
Jafar:Your suggestions proved to be the solution.  Here is a compare between 
the original Makedefs and the generated one
steve@steve-Satellite-L555D:/opt/unicon$ diff Makedefs.old Makedefs25c25< RLIBS 
= $(LIBS) -L../../bin -lm -lgdbm -ltp -lnsl -ldl -lcrypt---> RLIBS = -ltp 
$(LIBS) -L../../bin -lm -lgdbm -lnsl -ldl 
-lcryptsteve@steve-Satellite-L555D:/opt/unicon$ 
Not sure why the original one gave me problems because I got everything last 
week from the svn site.

Thanks, Steve

  From: Jafar Al-Gharaibeh <to.ja...@gmail.com>
 To: "Jeffery, Clint (jeffe...@uidaho.edu)" <jeffe...@uidaho.edu> 
Cc: Steve Graham <jsgraha...@yahoo.com>
 Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 8:16 AM
 Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] Unable to build from Alpha 13.0
   
Steve,
Just to make sure we get this properly fixed, I looked at my Makedef to see the 
order of the libraries. I have these lines:
AC_LIBS= -lcrypto -lssl -lpthread -lGLU -lGL -lpng -ljpeg -lX11 -lz -lcrypt 
-lnsl
LIBS = -L/usr/lib64 $(AC_JV_LDFLAGS) $(AC_GL_LDFLAGS) $(AC_LIBS) -lm

RLIBS = -ltp $(LIBS) -L../../bin -lm -lgdbm -lnsl -ldl -lcrypt

RLIBS is what eventually used at the link line, and as you can see we 
specifically placed -ltp before LIBS. I remember doing this a while back, not 
sure if the change was triggered by ssl or another library. This change has 
been in svn for a long time. The template for x86_64_linux Makedef file is 
under unicon/config/x86_64_linux/Makedfes.
Is there a chance your Makedefs template is out of date? I suggest you do "svn 
up" at the top level Unicon directory and see if you get new stuff.
Cheers,Jafar

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:26 AM Jafar Al-Gharaibeh <to.ja...@gmail.com> wrote:


For some reason my gmail's spam filter got all  Steve's emails, I got confused 
when I got the email from Clint! :) sorry I didn't help earlier. 
 From glancing through your logs and without trying on my end, I suspect the 
problem is in the order of libraries at the link line. Specially -lss should 
probably come after -ltp, and maybe the same goes for -lcrypto. After you 
configure, please edit your Unicon/Makedefs file to make the change, and 
proceed to build as usual.

Sorry Again!Jafar 
On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 7:50 PM, Jeffery, Clint (jeffe...@uidaho.edu) 
<jeffe...@uidaho.edu> wrote:

Steve,
Thanks, the extra details are necessary for us to figure out why your Unicon 
isn't building OK.  To be honest, debugging at this level of detail is probably 
not that entertaining and we should take it off of unicon-group. However, if we 
learn something of general interest, we can post back about it.
Your next step is to tell me exactly what libssl you got, from where or using 
what command, so I can try to apply the same packages to my Ubuntu machine. 
Your best hope for a quick resolution is for either myself or Jafar to be able 
to reproduce your trouble.
I also will want to know the value of your LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable 
if any, and the output of "nm" for whatever version of libssl you are linking 
in with the -lssl command. When autoconf finds a viable libssl and tells the 
make command to link it in, the same link that causes the test to pass would 
normally cause the symbols that are undefined to be included in your iconx, so 
it is a puzzler.
Cheers,Clint

From: Steve Graham <jsgraha...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 2:10 PM
To: Jeffery, Clint (jeffe...@uidaho.edu); Unicon Group
Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] Unable to build from Alpha 13.0 Here is the log 
from my attempt at building Unicon:

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Re: [Unicon-group] Unable to build from Alpha 13.0

[Steve Graham]

Here is the log from my attempt at building Unicon:
root@steve-Satellite-L555D:/opt/unicon# make X-Configure name=x86_64_linux make 
Pure >/dev/nullmake[3]: *** No rule to make target 'Clean'.  Stop.make[2]: 
[Pure] Error 2 (ignored)cd config/unix; make Setup-Graphics 
name=x86_64_linuxmake[1]: Entering directory '/opt/unicon/config/unix'cd 
Config; make Makefiles name=x86_64_linuxmake[2]: Entering directory 
'/opt/unicon/config/unix/Config'
...
configure: creating ./config.statusconfig.status: creating 
Makedefsconfig.status: creating src/h/auto.hmake[1]: Leaving directory 
'/opt/unicon'Think we found X11, you are good to go.
---
root@steve-Satellite-L555D:/opt/unicon# make Uniconcd src/common; makemake[1]: 
Entering directory '/opt/unicon/src/common'gcc -fno-strict-aliasing 
-fno-unit-at-a-time -I../libtp -I../gdbm -I../xpm  -I/usr/X11R6/include   -c -o 
doincl.o doincl.cgcc -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-unit-at-a-time -I../libtp 
-I../gdbm -I../xpm  -I/usr/X11R6/include   -c -o patchstr.o patchstr.c
...
gcc -rdynamic -Wl,-E -L../../bin -L/usr/lib64 -L/usr/lib64 -L/usr/lib 
-L/usr/lib -Lbin -L/usr/lib -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/lib -L/usr/lib -L/usr/lib 
-L/usr/lib -L/usr/lib64 -L/usr/lib -o iconx  xcnv.o xdata.o xdef.o xerrmsg.o 
xextcall.o xfconv.o xfload.o xfmath.o xfmisc.o xfmonitr.o xfscan.o xfstr.o 
xfstranl.o xfstruct.o xfsys.o xfwindow.o ximain.o ximisc.o xinit.o xinterp.o 
xinvoke.o xfdb.o xkeyword.o xlmisc.o xoarith.o xoasgn.o xocat.o xocomp.o 
xomisc.o xoref.o xoset.o xovalue.o xralc.o xrcoexpr.o xrcomp.o xrdb.o xrdebug.o 
xrlocal.o xrlrgint.o xrmemmgt.o xrmisc.o xrstruct.o xrsys.o xrwinrsc.o 
xrgfxsys.o xrwinsys.o xrwindow.o xfxtra.o xraudio.o xrposix.o xrmsg.o 
../common/long.o ../common/time.o ../common/save.o ../common/rswitch.o 
../common/redirerr.o ../common/xwindow.o ../common/alloc.o ../common/mlocal.o 
../common/filepart.o ../common/drawstring3d.o -L/usr/X11R6/lib64  -L/usr/lib64  
 -lXft -lcrypto -lssl -lpthread -lpng -ljpeg -lX11 -lz -lfreetype -lcrypt -lnsl 
 -lm -L../../bin -lm -lgdbm -ltp -lnsl -ldl -lcrypt -L../../bin -lXpm 
-L/usr/X11R6/lib64  ../../bin/libtp.a(tpdssl.o): In function 
`init_openssl':tpdssl.c:(.text+0x5): undefined reference to 
`SSL_load_error_strings'tpdssl.c:(.text+0xa): undefined reference to 
`SSL_library_init'tpdssl.c:(.text+0xf): undefined reference to 
`ERR_load_BIO_strings'tpdssl.c:(.text+0x14): undefined reference to 
`OPENSSL_add_all_algorithms_noconf'../../bin/libtp.a(tpdssl.o): In function 
`read_from_stream':tpdssl.c:(.text+0x4e): undefined reference to 
`BIO_read'tpdssl.c:(.text+0x75): undefined reference to 
`BIO_test_flags'../../bin/libtp.a(tpdssl.o): In function 
`write_to_stream':tpdssl.c:(.text+0xbe): undefined reference to 
`BIO_write'tpdssl.c:(.text+0xdc): undefined reference to 
`BIO_test_flags'../../bin/libtp.a(tpdssl.o): In function 
`connect_encrypted':tpdssl.c:(.text+0x11f): undefined reference to 
`SSLv23_client_method'tpdssl.c:(.text+0x127): undefined reference to 
`SSL_CTX_new'tpdssl.c:(.text+0x15d): undefined reference to 
`SSL_CTX_load_verify_locations'tpdssl.c:(.text+0x17a): undefined reference to 
`SSL_CTX_load_verify_locations'tpdssl.c:(.text+0x19c): undefined reference to 
`BIO_new_ssl_connect'tpdssl.c:(.text+0x1bd): undefined reference to 
`BIO_ctrl'tpdssl.c:(.text+0x1ee): undefined reference to 
`SSL_ctrl'tpdssl.c:(.text+0x20b): undefined reference to 
`BIO_ctrl'tpdssl.c:(.text+0x226): undefined reference to 
`BIO_ctrl'tpdssl.c:(.text+0x241): undefined reference to 
`SSL_get_verify_result'../../bin/libtp.a(tpdssl.o): In function 
`sslclose':tpdssl.c:(.text+0x693): undefined reference to `BIO_free'collect2: 
error: ld returned 1 exit statusMakefile:45: recipe for target 'iconx' 
failedmake[2]: *** [iconx] Error 1make[2]: Leaving directory 
'/opt/unicon/src/runtime'Makefile:41: recipe for target 'interp_all' 
failedmake[1]: *** [interp_all] Error 2make[1]: Leaving directory 
'/opt/unicon/src/runtime'Makefile:139: recipe for target 'Icont' failedmake: 
*** [Icont] Error 2


  From: "Jeffery, Clint (jeffe...@uidaho.edu)" <jeffe...@uidaho.edu>
 To: Steve Graham <jsgraha...@yahoo.com> 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 8:01 PM
 Subject: RE: [Unicon-group] Unable to build from Alpha 13.0
   
make Configure name=x86_64_linux
is our configuration step. It runs autoconf which tells the makefiles about 
libssl if it is found.  

 Original message ----
From: Steve Graham <jsgraha...@yahoo.com> 
Date: 08/09/2016 7:34 PM (GMT-07:00) 
To: "Jeffery, Clint (jeffe...@uidaho.edu)" <jeffe...@uidaho.edu>, Unicon Group 
<unicon-group@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] Unable to build from Alpha 13.0 

Hi, Clint.
I did not reconfigure Unicon to take advantage of libssl:  How does one do 
that?  Just minding my own business when the SSL code broke the build.
I just added libcrypto++9v5 and that didn't seem to help.
Thanks for looking at this.

Steve

From: "Jeffery, Cl

Re: [Unicon-group] Unable to build from Alpha 13.0

[Steve Graham]

Hi, Clint.
I did not reconfigure Unicon to take advantage of libssl:  How does one do 
that?  Just minding my own business when the SSL code broke the build.
I just added libcrypto++9v5 and that didn't seem to help.
Thanks for looking at this.

Steve

  From: "Jeffery, Clint (jeffe...@uidaho.edu)" <jeffe...@uidaho.edu>
 To: Steve Graham <jsgraha...@yahoo.com> 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 3:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] Unable to build from Alpha 13.0
   
#yiv7672597019 #yiv7672597019 -- P 
{margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}#yiv7672597019 Steve,
I think my laptop is running Ubuntu 16.04 so I should be able to try 
reproducing your issue pretty easily.  After adding some libssl files, did you 
reconfigure Unicon to take advantage of them?  Were you trying to turn on SSL, 
or were you minding your own business and SSL code broke your build?

What is is supposed to happen is autoconf is supposed to determine whether SSL 
is available, and you don't get any of this stuff linked in (or missing from an 
attempted link, in this case) if you didn't have the library and headers 
required.
I will go upstairs and do some updates and see if I get this on my laptop.
ClintFrom: Steve Graham <jsgraha...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:00:06 PM
To: Unicon Group
Subject: [Unicon-group] Unable to build from Alpha 13.0 I am running on an 
Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS system with x64.  After getting the errors below, I added 
some libssl files through Synaptic.  Still getting the following as part of the 
build output.  Any help would be appreciated.

Steve
--- ../../bin/libtp.a(tpdssl.o): In function 
`init_openssl':tpdssl.c:(.text+0x5): undefined reference to 
`SSL_load_error_strings'tpdssl.c:(.text+0xa): undefined reference to 
`SSL_library_init'tpdssl.c:(.text+0xf): undefined reference to 
`ERR_load_BIO_strings'tpdssl.c:(.text+0x14): undefined reference to 
`OPENSSL_add_all_algorithms_noconf'../../bin/libtp.a(tpdssl.o): In function 
`read_from_stream':tpdssl.c:(.text+0x4e): undefined reference to 
`BIO_read'tpdssl.c:(.text+0x75): undefined reference to 
`BIO_test_flags'../../bin/libtp.a(tpdssl.o): In function 
`write_to_stream':tpdssl.c:(.text+0xbe): undefined reference to 
`BIO_write'tpdssl.c:(.text+0xdc): undefined reference to 
`BIO_test_flags'../../bin/libtp.a(tpdssl.o): In function 
`connect_encrypted':tpdssl.c:(.text+0x11f): undefined reference to 
`SSLv23_client_method'tpdssl.c:(.text+0x127): undefined reference to 
`SSL_CTX_new'tpdssl.c:(.text+0x15d): undefined reference to 
`SSL_CTX_load_verify_locations'tpdssl.c:(.text+0x17a): undefined reference to 
`SSL_CTX_load_verify_locations'tpdssl.c:(.text+0x19c): undefined reference to 
`BIO_new_ssl_connect'tpdssl.c:(.text+0x1bd): undefined reference to 
`BIO_ctrl'tpdssl.c:(.text+0x1ee): undefined reference to 
`SSL_ctrl'tpdssl.c:(.text+0x20b): undefined reference to 
`BIO_ctrl'tpdssl.c:(.text+0x226): undefined reference to 
`BIO_ctrl'tpdssl.c:(.text+0x241): undefined reference to 
`SSL_get_verify_result'../../bin/libtp.a(tpdssl.o): In function 
`sslclose':tpdssl.c:(.text+0x693): undefined reference to `BIO_free'collect2: 
error: ld returned 1 exit statusMakefile:45: recipe for target 'iconx' 
failedmake[2]: *** [iconx] Error 1make[2]: Leaving directory 
'/opt/unicon/src/runtime'Makefile:41: recipe for target 'interp_all' 
failedmake[1]: *** [interp_all] Error 2make[1]: Leaving directory 
'/opt/unicon/src/runtime'Makefile:139: recipe for target 'Icont' failedmake: 
*** [Icont] Error 2steve@steve-Satellite-L555D:/opt/unicon$ 



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[Unicon-group] Uses of Unicon

[Steve Graham]

Shawn,
I've used Icon/Unicon in the past, but not so much recently.
I am interested in what you and others use it for.
I used it a few years ago to create a Windows app to keep track of families and 
men assigned to visit them.  This was my  first foray into Windows programming. 
 It was a blast and many kudos to all the folks on this forum for their 
invaluable help!

Steve

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 To: unicon-group@lists.sourceforge.net 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 7:15 AM
 Subject: [Unicon-group] Fwd: Compiling Unicon 12.3 on Windows
   

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Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] Compiling Unicon 12.3 on Windows
To: Sergey Logichev 





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with Win 10. I've become kinda dependent on it, and my employer is getting 
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Re: [Unicon-group] Soft thread changes

[Steve Graham]

ObjectIcon?

  From: Bruce & Breeanna Rennie 
 To: Jafar Al-Gharaibeh  
Cc: Unicon group 
 Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 8:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] Soft thread changes
   
Good afternoon Jafar,

As I am able I'll have a look and see if I can add anything of worth for 
the implementation. The idea sounds good. At the moment I am still 
trying to wrap my head around the differences between Unicon and 
ObjectIcon implementation details.

regards

Bruce Rennie

On 29/04/16 12:21, Jafar Al-Gharaibeh wrote:
> Good Morning Bruce,
>
> Soft-threads ( software threads or maybe vs hard-threads) are a hybrid 
> between native co-expressions and threads made possible by my recent 
> changes to allow native coswitch() to coexist with concurrent threads. 
> They are similar to native co-expressions in that they are completely 
> a Unicon thing (no OS context, i.e can't be scheduled by the OS), but 
> they are similar to threads in that they are concurrent. Since a soft 
> thread doesn't have a pthread (OS context) it needs to be scheduled 
> "manually". Unlike co-expressions which get scheduled via an explicit 
> activation, soft threads are managed implicitly by the language's 
> runtime. That means we need a scheduler that takes care of this new 
> task with all of the problems that comes with it. :)
>
> The goal is allow us to create a lot of "cheap" concurrent threads 
> even without creating pthreads, or get by with a few pthreads through 
> thread pooling, etc. The idea is to decouple Unicon's threads from the 
> the OS threads.
>
> What I have committed so far under "SoftThread" ifdefs is very very 
> basic  experimental implementation that I did in under two hours. I 
> got some basic scheduling to work and was able to run a small demo. We 
> have a long a long way to go. If anyone is interested in this or 
> helping with implementation I'd be very happy to share more details 
> with them.
>
> Cheers,
> Jafar
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 8:25 PM, Bruce & Breeanna Rennie 
> > wrote:
>
>    Good morning Jafar,
>
>    Can you clue us into what the soft-thread changes are for, please?
>
>    regards
>
>    Bruce Rennie
>
>
>
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Re: [Unicon-group] Origin of SNOBOL

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And more on the subject.  See links.
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Thought this link would be of interest to the groups:  
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Thought this link would be of interest to the groups:  
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Re: [Unicon-group] 1st Rosettacode challenge

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Perhaps another challenge might be to translate the Machine Learning tutorials 
here 
(http://burakkanber.com/blog/machine-learning-in-other-languages-introduction/) 
from Javascript to Unicon.


Steve

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 Subject: [Unicon-group] 1st Rosettacode challenge
 To: UniconGroup unicon-group@lists.sourceforge.net
 Date: Friday, January 31, 2014, 1:01 PM
 
 Folks,
 
 Rosettacode is a programming chrestomathy site that hosts
 solutions to hundreds of tasks in hundreds of
 programming languages.  Unicon is well represented
 thanks to the efforts of several of our volunteers.  
 
 In an effort to better represent Unicon on Rosetta and to
 possibly provide readers of this list with an interesting
 distraction, I propose the first of what I hope will be a
 regular programming challenge.
 
 The Playfair cipher is a diagram substitution cipher
 invented in the late 1800's.  It uses a 5 x 5 block
 of letters constructed from the alphabet using a prearranged
 key such as a word or phrase.  Typically either I and J
 are used interchangeably or Q is omitted to make the
 square.
 
 An example (from
  memory and by hand) using the key: First Unicon Rosetta
 Code Challenge
 
 Made unique and caps yields: FIRSTUNCOEADHLG
 
 Made into a block with the rest of the alphabet: 
 
 FIRST
 UNCOE
 ADHLG
 BKMPQ
 VWXYZ
 
 Messages must be padded to an even number of characters.
 
 So Try it becomes TR YI TX
 
 Enciphering uses different rules for letter pairs forming a
 rectangle, a row, or a column.  
 
 TR (a row) enciphers as FS
 YI (a rectangle) enciphers as WS
 TX (a rectangle) enciphers as RZ
 
 Any old language can encode these rules as a matrix/array
 look-up problem.  I suspect there are several clever
 Uniconish ways to do this.  
 
 And that is the challenge.  Find an interesting
 Uniconish solution to the Playfair task.
 
 The official task page
  http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Playfair_cipher
 Wikipedia article on Playfair
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playfair_cipher
 
 
 If you need help with the wiki formatting of following the
 Unicon template there are lots of examples.  Also Steve
 or I could help out as well.
 
 If you haven't checked out the site, it's well worth
 it.
 Unicon on Rosetta
 http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Unicon Tasks that
 haven't been completed in Unicon can be found at
 http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Reports:Tasks_not_implemented_in_Unicon
 Have fun.
 
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[Unicon-group] Nitty Griddy 2011 - Programming Problem

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I've thought of this problem on and off for a while and figured others might be 
interested too.  I don't know if attachments are allowed here, so you can see 
the problem 
at http://search.4shared.com/postDownload/3n_ayOg3/Nitty_Griddy_2011001.html

It is like sudoku with letters.  Words should be spelled with the letters 
inserted into the various squares both in rows and in columns.  A unique 
feature is that more than 1 letter can be placed into a square.

I guess I would start by putting one letter per square and place the left overs 
in the last square.  In the 1st example the matrix is 5x5 and one of the words 
is wadders.  So you might put them as:  w | a | d | d | ers.  And if that 
didn't work down the pike, you could always change the squares in which you 
place the letters.

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Re: [Unicon-group] fork under windows?

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What about LibreOffice (http://www.libreoffice.org/)?



From: Kostas Oikonomou k...@research.att.com
To: unicon-group@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] fork under windows?

Clint,

I agree that OO is becoming less open and more of a pain, 
unfortunately following the MS tradition.   If you point me 
to the latest OO source for the book, I'd be willing to try 
exporting it to Latex.

There is a utility for this, 
http://writer2latex.sourceforge.net/.

            Kostas


On 10/29/11 11:20 PM, David Gamey wrote:
 Clint,

 I'm not sure what scales for large numbers of collaborators.
 I've collaborated with both Word and OO. I've not used Latex
 before although I've used older script and scribe.

 It occurs to me that a wiki might work if there were a way
 of creating the book from it.

 I'm guessing there will always be a bit of reformatting to a
 new version of a book. The question is how much.


 David

     
     *From:* Clinton Jeffery jeff...@cs.uidaho.edu
     *To:* David Gamey david.ga...@rogers.com
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     *Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2011 7:52:20 PM
     *Subject:* Re: [Unicon-group] fork under windows?

     So, we need a much more open documentation process in
     which it is far easier for folks to contribute, and
     where we still have a high quality of editorial review
     and a reasonably consistent prose style. I pretty much
     have done a poor job of maintaining the Unicon book via
     OpenOffice; OpenOffice was more open and accessible (and
     multi-platform) than when we did the book originally in
     MS Word (originally it was in Word because of the
     prospective publisher's requirements), but it is not
     open enough in terms of change/revision management, not
     portable enough, and its fonts and formatting are rather
     too fragile. For a 500 page book with complex figure
     arrangements, any time you switch to a new OS or a new
     version of OpenOffice, the formatting is at risk of
     getting messed up.

     The fix that comes most readily to mind would be to
     switch to a text-based format that could be handled as
     part of the Unicon SVN codebase, such as LaTeX. I have
     ported the Unicon book to LaTeX before, and it worked,
     but would require a fair amount of effort to get the
     formatting nice and presentable again. Do you have any
     alternative suggestions, and for that matter, does this
     suggestion make good sense?

     As to whether fork() should fail or have a runtime error
     where it is not implemented, I agree with you that I
     made a mistake in this case, the comparables are the
     graphics functions, which are defined on all builds, but
     if you ever call them on a platform built without
     graphics, they die with runtime error 121 function not
     supported. We should probably do a sweep through the
     posix functions and find all the ones that just fail on
     Windows, and change them to use the MissingFunc() family
     of macros that we use for graphics functions.

     Clint

     On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 4:26 PM, David Gamey
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         Documentation is something I can do :)



     
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Re: [Unicon-group] Fw: OT: Scraping data from Windows app screen

[Steve Graham]

Matt,

I'll take a look at this.


Thanks, Steve



From: Matt Oates (Home) mattoa...@gmail.com
To: Steve Graham jsgraha...@yahoo.com
Cc: Unicon Mailing List unicon-group@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 6:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] Fw: OT: Scraping data from Windows app screen

On 17 September 2011 14:41, Steve Graham jsgraha...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I googled for this and found this link:
  http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/t167359-how-to-extract-text-from-windows.html

 It talks about Window api functions such as GetWindowText which can help.
  When I grep'd the ipl and lower directories for it, the only hits were .exe
 routines.  So, I'm guessing that this api has been defined, but is not used
 in any sample programs in the ipl.
 Any advice on how to use it?

I'm not sure why anyone is mentioning screen scraping and OCR. You are
right to think that you can just pick up the text entry events sent to
the window. You might want to look at AutoHotkey
(http://www.autohotkey.com/) you can use this to either tee the user
input to your terminal program /or/ inspect the labeled elements of
the windows program by name (a far better idea). I used something like
this to interface some windows based software for a laser scanner with
a low level embedded robotics chassis where I needed to send some
stuff over a socket from the command line. It has a nice macro record
feature, so you can record cycling through the entry boxes and then
save this macro. Open it up in an editor and just add a bit of foo to
dump it into your terminal program, then your users will just have to
run your macro with the window open, or you just set the macro to
trigger on title change (or whatever) of the window for the
application of interest.

http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Category:AutoHotkey might help you get up
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Re: [Unicon-group] IRC Channel

[Steve Graham]

I'm using X-Chat on Windows 7 right now and noticed it was also available for 
Ubuntu.  I tried connecting to #unicon using Ubuntu's provided Empathy and had 
no problem.



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Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] IRC Channel

Hi Clint,

On 16 September 2011 22:01, Clinton Jeffery jeff...@cs.uidaho.edu wrote:
 I would welcome a set of written instructions regarding how to participate
 in the Unicon IRC that I can post to the unicon.org home page. Someone
 probably set it up, told me/us it was there in an e-mail, and either I
 dropped the ball or I didn't think of posting instructions on the home page.
 Personally I am not normally an IRC user, but I could learn to be; I support
 all media that helps us connect with each other.

Adding iframe src=http://webchat.freenode.net?channels=unicon;
width=647 height=400/iframe to a unicon.org page will embed IRC
chat.

This is good for brief visits but xchat or irssi (from the command
line) are better clients to use for longterm lurking. Freenode is also
the correct place to be for an open source project.

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[Unicon-group] OT: Scraping data from Windows app screen

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I need to pick up the text (field prompts and data) from a data entry 
screen.  Is there a utility which could do such?  An array of text by 
rows would be preferable, but other formats would likely suffice. 

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[Unicon-group] IRC Channel

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[Unicon-group] Fw: OT: Scraping data from Windows app screen

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- Forwarded Message -
From: Steve Graham jsgraha...@yahoo.com
To: jeff...@uidaho.edu jeff...@uidaho.edu
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] OT: Scraping data from Windows app screen


Okay.

Here's the situation.  A group at work is already entering data into a 
Windows-based application.  Now they are also supposed to be putting in much 
the same data into a 2nd terminal-based app.

So, I'm thinking there must be a way to pick up the data already entered into 
the first app (i.e. through scraping from the 1st app's window) and 
automatically place it into the 2nd app.

It could be a Unicon question if I can figure out how to do it - i.e. figure 
out the 1st app's handle and use the api to pick up Window Text, field text, 
etc.  Or perhaps there's already an app in existence to do such. That's why I 
titled it starting with OT.


Thanks, Steve



From: Clinton Jeffery jeff...@cs.uidaho.edu
To: Steve Graham jsgraha...@yahoo.com
Cc: Unicon Mailing List unicon-group@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] OT: Scraping data from Windows app screen


Steve,

Is this a Unicon question, or a question
 about grabbing things from an external application?  Mr. Sampson's suggestion 
of an OCR utility sounds like a good fit for the latter, but I am not sure 
that's the problem you are trying to solve. You might get more or different 
answers from the group if we understand your context better.

Cheers,
Clint


On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Steve Graham jsgraha...@yahoo.com wrote:

I need to pick up the text (field prompts and data) from a data entry 
screen.  Is there a utility which could do such?  An array of text by 
rows would be preferable, but other formats would likely suffice. 

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[Unicon-group] Fw: IRC Channel

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From: Steve Graham jsgraha...@yahoo.com
To: jeff...@uidaho.edu jeff...@uidaho.edu
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] IRC Channel


Neat.  Will have to look at it.

I noticed on google that an IRC channel was set up.  I guess few people used it.

Would IRC work?



From: Clinton Jeffery jeff...@cs.uidaho.edu
To: Steve Graham jsgraha...@yahoo.com
Cc: Unicon Mailing List unicon-group@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] IRC Channel


If there is a unicon IRC channel, I do not know about it, and I think I would.

For the past 7 years I have been working on (and working toward) building an 
environment
that would be our community's real time chat hangout spot... but despite my and 
my students'
efforts, it still eludes what I would consider production-quality 
ready-for-prime-time status.
Still, it is written in Unicon and might be fun for some of you to play with.  
In its current incarnation it is called CVE and lives at cve.sourceforge.net. 
There are Windows binaries and a source distribution is preferred for the 
UNIX-based platforms.  Yes, I think we will bring this idea to a usable state 
someday. :-)

Cheers,
Clint


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Is there a unicon IRC channel?  If so, on which network is it found?


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Re: [Unicon-group] IRC Channel

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I'm using X-Chat, am on the freenode network and have joined the #unicon 
channel.  This link - http://xchat.org/docs/start/ - should provide info on how 
to use it to get started.


Steve



From: Clinton Jeffery jeff...@cs.uidaho.edu
To: Steve Graham jsgraha...@yahoo.com
Cc: Unicon group unicon-group@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] IRC Channel


I would welcome a set of written instructions regarding how to participate in 
the Unicon IRC that I can post to the unicon.org home page. Someone probably 
set it up, told me/us it was there in an e-mail, and either I dropped the ball 
or I didn't think of posting instructions on the home page. Personally I am not 
normally an IRC user, but I could learn to be; I support all media that helps 
us connect with each other.

Cheers,
Clint


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Neat.  Will have to look at it.


I noticed on google that an IRC channel was set up.  I guess few people used 
it.


Would IRC work?




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To: Steve Graham jsgraha...@yahoo.com
Cc: Unicon Mailing List unicon-group@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] IRC Channel



If there is a unicon IRC channel, I do not know about it, and I think I would.

For the past 7 years I have been working on (and working toward) building an 
environment
that would be our community's real time chat hangout spot... but despite my 
and my students'
efforts, it still eludes what I would consider production-quality 
ready-for-prime-time status.
Still, it is written in Unicon and might be fun for some of you to play with.  
In its current incarnation it is called CVE and lives at cve.sourceforge.net. 
There are Windows binaries and a source distribution is preferred for the 
UNIX-based platforms.  Yes, I think we will bring this idea to a usable state 
someday. :-)

Cheers,
Clint


On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Steve Graham jsgraha...@yahoo.com wrote:

Is there a unicon IRC channel?  If so, on which network is it found?


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Re: [Unicon-group] How to confirm the version?

[Steve Graham]

I wonder if all of us who use/follow Unicon/Icon are of your age?

--- On Fri, 7/15/11, Jonathan Kaye jdkay...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Jonathan Kaye jdkay...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] How to confirm the version?
To: 
Cc: unicon-group@lists.sourceforge.net
Date: Friday, July 15, 2011, 7:47 AM

Jafar Al-Gharaibeh ha scritto il 15/07/2011 11:19:
 If you receive unicon-group emails then you should have gotten an email
 earlier today (or is it yesterday! as it is 2:15am) that talks about few
 thread tests. In summary unicon/tests/thread includes few threads tests
 and you should have Unicon 12 for them to work. Try running sum
 several times and give it 1, 2 and then 4 as command line arguments one
 at a time (# of threads).
 
 -Jafar

Hi Jafar,
Here's the results.
jdkaye@AttilaII:~/unicon/trunk/unicon/tests/thread$ ./sum 1
running 1 thread(s) please wait...
Thread 1 is done
sum=1
time:31 seconds
jdkaye@AttilaII:~/unicon/trunk/unicon/tests/thread$ ./sum 2
running 2 thread(s) please wait...
Thread 2 is done
Thread 1 is done
sum=1
time:15 seconds
jdkaye@AttilaII:~/unicon/trunk/unicon/tests/thread$ ./sum 4
running 4 thread(s) please wait...
Thread 2 is done
Thread 3 is done
Thread 4 is done
Thread 1 is done
sum=1
time:16 seconds

So I guess I really do have version 12. I'll edit version.h and
recompile just so I can keep track of which version I'm running. At my
age I can't count on my memory. ;)
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[Unicon-group] Birth Year/Ages

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Space ships - Oh you mean the ones in comic books?

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Albert Einstein refuses Presidency of IsraelWorld
Big Bang Theory of the creation of the Universe first propoundedUK
Elizabeth II becomes Queen upon the death of her father George VI.UK
De Havilland 110 fighter aircraft breaks up over spectators at Farnborough Air 
Show killing 30UK
Three Trains crash at Harrow in North LondonKenya
The Mau Mau Rebellion starts in KenyaSouth Africa
South African Police Arrest Nelson MandellaIndia
India holds it's first general electionsUK
Thick smog in London on December 4th , England causes 4,000 fatalitiesUK
Britain announces it has Atomic BombU.S.
Live Atomic bomb Test from testing site in Yucca Flats,Nevada shown on 
TelevisionU.S.
California has it's second largest earthquake rocking 100,000 sq milesU.S.
Charlie Chaplin refused entry back to the US after living in Hollywood for 20 
years.U.S.
Rocky Marciano becomes world heavyweight champion after knocking out Jersey Joe 
WalcottU.S.
Vice Presidential Candidate Richard M. Nixon defends himself on Television over 
allegations of secret cash fundU.S.
3300 die of polio in U.S.; 57,000 children are paralyzedUK
The Last London Trams DecommissionedIndia
Mother Teresa opens the home for dying and destitute in CalcuttaFinland
The Summer Olympics are held in July in Helsinki, FinlandPuerto Rico
Puerto Rico becomes a Self Governing Commonwealth Of the United StatesU.S.
Steel Plants Placed Under Presidential Control after Steel Unions Threaten 
to StrikeEgypt
Military coup d'etat in Egypt headed by NasserNorway
The Winter Olympic Games are held in Oslo, Norway


--- On Fri, 7/15/11, David Gamey david.ga...@rogers.com wrote:

From: David Gamey david.ga...@rogers.com
Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] How to confirm the version?
To: Steve Graham jsgraha...@yahoo.com
Date: Friday, July 15, 2011, 11:29 AM

Steve,

We should conduct a survey with a few age buckets.   Born before Sputnik,  
Mercury, Gemini, Apollo 11, Skylab, Space Shuttle, Hubble ... :)

I'm a Mercury

David

From: Steve Graham jsgraha...@yahoo.com
To: Jonathan Kaye jdkay...@gmail.com
Cc: unicon-group@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Fri, July 15, 2011 11:12:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] How to confirm the version?

I wonder if all of us who use/follow Unicon/Icon are of your age?

--- On Fri, 7/15/11, Jonathan Kaye jdkay...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Jonathan Kaye jdkay...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] How to confirm the version?
To: 
Cc: unicon-group@lists.sourceforge.net
Date: Friday, July 15, 2011, 7:47 AM

Jafar Al-Gharaibeh ha scritto il 15/07/2011 11:19:
 If you receive unicon-group emails then you should have gotten an email
 earlier today (or is it yesterday! as it is 2:15am) that talks about few
 thread tests. In summary unicon/tests/thread includes few threads
 tests
 and you should have Unicon 12 for them to work. Try running sum
 several
 times and give it 1, 2 and then 4 as command line arguments one
 at a time (# of threads).
 
 -Jafar

Hi Jafar,
Here's the results.
jdkaye@AttilaII:~/unicon/trunk/unicon/tests/thread$ ./sum 1
running 1 thread(s) please wait...
Thread 1 is done
sum=1
time:31 seconds
jdkaye@AttilaII:~/unicon/trunk/unicon/tests/thread$ ./sum 2
running 2 thread(s) please wait...
Thread 2 is done
Thread 1 is done
sum=1
time:15 seconds
jdkaye@AttilaII:~/unicon/trunk/unicon/tests/thread$ ./sum 4
running 4 thread(s) please wait...
Thread 2 is done
Thread 3 is done
Thread 4 is done
Thread 1 is done
sum=1
time:16 seconds

So I guess I really do have version 12. I'll edit version.h and
recompile just so I can keep track of which version I'm running. At my
age I can't count on my memory. ;)
Ciao,
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Re: [Unicon-group] Age Buckets (Was - Re: How to confirm the version?)

[Steve Graham]

Did I miss a bucket?

Which bucket are you in?

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From: Phillip p...@firefly.nlm.nih.gov
Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] Age Buckets (Was - Re: How to confirm the version?)
To: Steve Graham jsgraha...@yahoo.com
Cc: unicon-group@lists.sourceforge.net
Date: Friday, July 15, 2011, 2:36 PM

I'm in, too. Give me a few years and I'll try to reach a higher bracket.
--Phillip

On Fri, 15 Jul 2011, Steve Graham wrote:

 Who let the kid into our group ;=)

 --- On Fri, 7/15/11, Jafar Al-Gharaibeh to.ja...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Jafar Al-Gharaibeh to.ja...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] Age Buckets (Was - Re: How to confirm the 
 version?)
 To: Steve Wampler swamp...@noao.edu
 Cc: unicon-group@lists.sourceforge.net
 Date: Friday, July 15, 2011, 1:37 PM



 On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Steve Wampler swamp...@noao.edu wrote:

 On 07/15/2011 08:50 AM, David Gamey wrote:



 I'm in

 

 *From:* Steve Graham jsgraha...@yahoo.com

 *To:* unicon-group@lists.sourceforge.net

 *Sent:* Fri, July 15, 2011 11:41:43 AM

 *Subject:* [Unicon-group] Age Buckets (Was - Re: How to confirm the version?)



 Feel free to update



 1 - 20: 0

 21-30: 0

 31-40: 1

 41-50: 0

 51-60: 2

 61-70: 2

 71-80: 0

 81-??: 0


 Space shuttle is in ;) . (Even though space shuttles are now things of the 
 past since the program ended few days ago)

 -Jafar
  
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Re: [Unicon-group] Age Buckets (Was - Re: How to confirm the version?)

[Steve Graham]

;-)
1 - 20: 0
21-30: 0
31-40: 1
41-50: 0
51-60: 2
61-70: 3
71-80: 0
81-??: 0

--- On Fri, 7/15/11, Jafar Al-Gharaibeh to.ja...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Jafar Al-Gharaibeh to.ja...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] Age Buckets (Was - Re: How to confirm the version?)
To: Phillip p...@firefly.nlm.nih.gov
Cc: Steve Graham jsgraha...@yahoo.com, unicon-group@lists.sourceforge.net
Date: Friday, July 15, 2011, 3:00 PM

Steve,  I think we have just experienced a concurrency synchronization issue!  
Jon edit was overwritten by Phillip. I think 61-70 should be 3 not 2.

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[Unicon-group] Stripping HTML

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Is there any code in the Unicon library to strip HTML from a file?

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[Unicon-group] system()

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I'm trying to copy a file from within a program using system(copy hts.txt
hts_20110224346390.txt,,,error file).  I get no error output to the DOS
window from which I launch the program and, while the error file is created,
its size is 0.

Any ideas why no copy occurred?

I am using Windows 7 (64-bit).


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Re: [Unicon-group] Syntax Errors

[Steve Graham]

Thank you for all of your help and suggestions.  I never could have done
this or other projects without your support.


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 When trying to  compile a route, I keep getting syntax error (400;369)

 Here is the snippet that offends.  The line is marked.

 procedure printReport(districts)
local district, i, routes

outrp := open(route_print.txt, w) | stop(Unable to write to
 route_print.txt)
every district := (1 | 2 | 3 | X) do {
   write(outrp, District ,i)
   routes := sort(districts[district],3)
   every i := 1 to *routes by 2 {
  j := ((i - 1) * 2) + 1
 --if (i == 1) then write(outrp)
  write(outrp,Route , j)
  write(\n  Home Teachers)
  every htwrite(outrp,   , pop(routes[i+1, hts]))
  write(\n  Families)
  every write(outrp,   , pop(routes[i+1, families]))
   }
}
close(outrp)
 end

 I hope you see something I am missing.


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[Unicon-group] Table of procedures

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I developed a GUI application which has 36 nearly identical screen areas
composed of a label, radio button, list and textlist.  To minimize the code
writing and to increase the program's accuracy I got 1 area working and then
developed another program to write the same area code 36 times into another
program, allowing for differences in screen placement.

A big challenge was how to write code which would be able to access any
area's attributes.  So I settled upon a technique from Forth - I created a
table to store the different screen attributes, indexed by the area #.  I
was excited to discover that Unicon let me store the actual objects (or
references to them) into a table, thus allowing me to write code like:

   procedureStore[j + 3].set_selection_list(makeSelectionList(list1, list2))
   procedureStore[j + 3].set_selection(1)

My continuing thanks to Clint, Jafar, Susie, Ralph, and all of the others
who designed such wonderful languages such as Unicon and Icon and continue
to provide assistance to those who wish to utilize them.


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[Unicon-group] ivib question

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I'm trying my hand at a windows app and I've set up 2 selection lists in
ivib.  For each list's event, I chose SELECTION_KEY_EVENT.  And what I'd
like to happen is when the user chooses from a selection list, I would like
to capture which entry they chose.  Not knowing how to do that, I changed
the method to simply print which list # was selected.  When I moved the
cursor over the list without pressing any key, the method would fire.

Any ideas how I can capture the entry selected?


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[Unicon-group] IDE peculiarities on Windows 7 Professional (64)

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Another thing I've noticed is that when I load a .icn file and try to create
an executable, I get a message in the lower window, such as wuncion -quiet
-log C:\Users\Steve\AppData\Local\Temp\ui11769501 farb.icn

However, I see no error messages and no created executables.

Also the odd thing is my OS (Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit) will not allow
me to create the AppData folder.


Steve

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 In trying to develop for Windows 7 Professional,
 I noticed two peculiarities:
 1. Looking at programs running on previous operating
 systems, in the ide, I get a version of lines in black and
 an underlying version in green displaced by about 5
  spaces to the right. Only indented lines (that had tabs)
 seemed to be affected.

 2. When using the mouse to select a character in the IDE,
 the point selected seems to be about 5-6 characters to the right
 except for the last character in the line which is the correct character.
 This seems to occur whether there is a tab in the line or not.

 Is there a different version of the system for 64 bit OS?

 Thanks,
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Re: [Unicon-group] IDE peculiarities on Windows 7 Professional (64)

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On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Steve Graham solitary.wandere...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I noticed that wunicon seemed to be calling wicont.  So, I tried compiling
 farb.icn (in the ipl/progs dir) with wicont.  It could not do it.  Neither
 could icont.


 Steve

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 solitary.wandere...@gmail.com wrote:

 Another thing I've noticed is that when I load a .icn file and try to
 create an executable, I get a message in the lower window, such as wuncion
 -quiet -log C:\Users\Steve\AppData\Local\Temp\ui11769501 farb.icn

 However, I see no error messages and no created executables.

 Also the odd thing is my OS (Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit) will not
 allow me to create the AppData folder.


 Steve

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 In trying to develop for Windows 7 Professional,
 I noticed two peculiarities:
 1. Looking at programs running on previous operating
 systems, in the ide, I get a version of lines in black and
 an underlying version in green displaced by about 5
  spaces to the right. Only indented lines (that had tabs)
 seemed to be affected.

 2. When using the mouse to select a character in the IDE,
 the point selected seems to be about 5-6 characters to the right
 except for the last character in the line which is the correct character.
 This seems to occur whether there is a tab in the line or not.

 Is there a different version of the system for 64 bit OS?

 Thanks,
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Re: [Unicon-group] Error messages and unfinished projects ... and a flame-bait sidetrack

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Don't you guys ever sleep-;)

On Fri Jan 28th, 2011 3:51 AM EST Clinton Jeffery wrote:

I like Python. Its designer made good use of some of the best ideas from
other languages, unlike many scripting languages whose authors seem to have
had only one source of inspiration. If Python had real generators with
goal-directed evaluation, and cleaner IO, and didn't have indentation-based
syntax I might join you Michael. But really, it hasn't beaten Icon on
several key elements, despite having borrowed some ideas from Icon.  But
please use whatever tools are best for you.

Within this community, everyone is welcome to their own opinion about what
language is best or what is needed in order to make Unicon more popular.
However, the main impacts in the Unicon community are made by those folks
who DO something to advance the language. Talking counts... when it leads to
oneself or others doing something. Although I maintain the help wanted list,
it is an open list and we are all ears as far as suggestions on things that
need doing.  Besides doing things myself or hiring students to do work when
that solution fits, I have been astounded and grateful for the code
contributions of volunteers, and am happy to give technical support and
advice when folks can use it.

I like many of the comments in this thread and am responding to some of
them, not just to Michael. The showing what the language can do idea is
fundamental. The Unicon book tries hard to do that, but it is just a
beginning. The best way to show what the language can do is to open the code
contribution doors wider to whomever chooses to share things that they've
written in Unicon. The range of backgrounds and interests in this community
is remarkable. For my part, I shared much of the early stuff I did directly
in chapters of the Unicon book. Since then I've drafted a book on computer
games in Unicon (about half-written), and we've written a 3D multi-user
virtual environment in Unicon (which will need a book to tell its story, if
it ever gets finished).  The main external customers have some pretty
awesome Unicon programs but they are not demo programs to be shared or used
for language marketing purposes. :-)

I am not sure how to best market Unicon, I am a CS professor not a marketer.
But I agree with the comment that we need a webmaster, among other volunteer
positions.  I have been unable, apparently, to do my day job well and also
keep source code distributions, documentation, and website very up to date.
I continue to work on that, and may improve some. The kids are getting older
now and taking less of my time :-). I have also allowed students to help
some with code updates, but their main job is to do research, as is mine.
Research with Unicon originally was to drag Icon kicking and screaming into
the modern age of computing. I think we've been very busy doing that and not
doing promotion or community development. With the threads facility nearing
beta we are nearing another major leap forward, but unless you were into
updating source code and reading conference papers and asking questions, you
probably haven't been told much about the past few years' work on Unicon.
Sorry!

In any case, this response is not intended to finish the thread, please keep
the comments, questions, and calls-to-action coming.

Cheers,
Clint

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Michael Glass re...@mglass.org wrote:

 I am someone who started using Icon as my utility programming language
 about 25 years ago.  But I
 have pretty much switched to Python.  I have not created any new Unicon
 code in several years except
 for maintenance and some toy codes just for fun and practice.

 And I love Icon/Unicon.  But Python seems to have passed it by, both in
 terms of convenient language
 capabilities and available library packages.




  

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[Unicon-group] Code challenge

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I saw this on comp.lang.smalltalk.dolphin and what struck me was how wordy
it was.  They're just trying to replace all occurrences of a substring in a
string with another substring.

In my work language (MUMPS), I would do this as follows:
replace(a,str1,str2) ;
n fnd
s fnd=0 f  s fnd=$f(a,str1,fnd) q:'fnd  s
$e(a,fnd-$l(str1),fnd-1)=str2
q a

How would you do it in Unicon?


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(self findString: aSubstring)  1
ifTrue: [^newString := self]
ifFalse:
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subStringCollection := self subStrings:
aSubstring.
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Re: [Unicon-group] find() question

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Clint,

Why did this program work with while substituted for every?  Is the string
still not an immutable type?


Steve

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 As you may recall, strings are immutable and the generator find() is
 working on the string that it was passed, not some new string that has been
 assigned to that same variable later on.  In an every, find() is not
 called again, so astring is not being re-evaluated each time through the
 loop -- the call-in-progress is resumed where it left off.

 Clint

 On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Steve Graham 
 solitary.wandere...@gmail.com wrote:

 procedure test()
astring := honolulu
write(astring=,astring)
every fnd := find(lu,astring) do {
   write(fnd=,fnd)
   astring[fnd:fnd+2] := 
   write(astring=,astring)
   write()
   astring := astring
   }
write(End: astring=,astring)
 end

 Invoking this from main() gives the following output:

 astring=honolulu
 fnd=5
 astring=honolu

 fnd=7
 astring=honolu

 End: astring=honolu

 I would have thought that it would have given a value of fnd=5 twice.
 What am I missing?


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Re: [Unicon-group] find() question

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Thanks, Clint.  I thought it was something like that - just didn't realize that 
strings were immutable.

Here's a variant that now works.  The solution?  Substitute while for every.

procedure test()
   astring := luabclud
   write(astring=,astring)
   while fnd := find(lu,astring) do {
  write(fnd=,fnd)
  astring[fnd:fnd+2] := 
  write(astring=,astring)
  write()
  astring := astring
  }
   write(End: astring=,astring)
end

Output:

astring=luabclud
fnd=1
astring=abclud

fnd=4
astring=abcd

End: astring=abcd


Steve

--- On Wed, 7/21/10, Clinton Jeffery jeff...@cs.uidaho.edu wrote:

From: Clinton Jeffery jeff...@cs.uidaho.edu
Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] find() question
To: Steve Graham solitary.wandere...@gmail.com
Cc: unicon-group@lists.sourceforge.net
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 4:45 PM

As you may recall, strings are immutable and the generator find() is working on 
the string that it was passed, not some new string that has been assigned to 
that same variable later on.  In an every, find() is not called again, so 
astring is not being re-evaluated each time through the loop -- the 
call-in-progress is resumed where it left off.


Clint

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Steve Graham solitary.wandere...@gmail.com 
wrote:

procedure test()
   astring := honolulu
   write(astring=,astring)
   every fnd := find(lu,astring) do {
  write(fnd=,fnd)
  astring[fnd:fnd+2] := 


  write(astring=,astring)
  write()
  astring := astring
  }
   write(End: astring=,astring)
end

Invoking this from main() gives the following output:


astring=honolulu

fnd=5
astring=honolu

fnd=7
astring=honolu

End: astring=honolu

I would have thought that it would have given a value of fnd=5 twice.  What am 
I missing?


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Re: [Unicon-group] Problem opening file

[Steve Graham]

I thought I would see what you got when you only included 1 backslash in the 
file description in Unicon:

C:\Program Files (x86)\Unicon\bindelete_spaces.exe
This is in: c:userssteve⌂esktop⌂d_va.go

Interesting.

Another question:  When I'm using the IDE, the date/time stamp changes on the 
.icn file when I click the Save button.  However, when I click the Compile/Exe 
button, the date/time stamp of the .exe file does not change.  However, I do 
get the following message displayed in the message window: 

 wunicon -quiet -log C:\Users\Steve\AppData\Local\Temp\ui2427  
delete_spaces.icn

Any idea how I can update the .exe file?

Thanks for everything, Steve

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--- On Fri, 6/18/10, Frank J. Lhota frank...@rcn.com wrote:

From: Frank J. Lhota frank...@rcn.com
Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] Problem opening file
To: unicon-group@lists.sourceforge.net
Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 6:51 AM

On 6/17/2010 7:26 PM, Andrew Clarke wrote:
 Not sure what you mean here, but it's merely an issue of writing the 
 program literal in Icon code. Windows supports / in paths, in fact 
 this feature of Windows has been around from day 1 of MS-DOS 2.0, 
 long before Windows was a twinkle in Bill Gates wallet.

That's not quite true. As a default, MS-DOS 2.0 and later used '/' as 
the command line switch character, and '\' as the directory separator. 
MS-DOS 2.0+ did have undocumented DOS functions for getting / setting 
both the switch character and the directory separator character. DOS 
ports of Unix utilities, such as the MKS toolkit, took advantage of 
these undocumented calls to use '-' for switches and '/' for the 
directory separator.

Unfortunately, support for these undocumented calls disappeared in the 
last few versions of MS-DOS. As far as I know, Windows does nothing to 
support using '/' as a directory separator. Many newer applications do 
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Re: [Unicon-group] Problem opening file

[Steve Graham]

To be more explicit, this is the program which printed the string below:

procedure main()
   in := c:\users\steve\desktop\dd_va.go
   write(This is in: ,in)
end


Steve

---

On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Steve Graham jsgraha...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I thought I would see what you got when you only included 1 backslash in
 the file description in Unicon:

 C:\Program Files (x86)\Unicon\bindelete_spaces.exe
 This is in: c:userssteve⌂esktop⌂d_va.go

 Interesting.

 Another question:  When I'm using the IDE, the date/time stamp changes on
 the .icn file when I click the Save button.  However, when I click the
 Compile/Exe button, the date/time stamp of the .exe file does not change.
 However, I do get the following message displayed in the message window:

  wunicon -quiet -log C:\Users\Steve\AppData\Local\Temp\ui2427
 delete_spaces.icn

 Any idea how I can update the .exe file?

 Thanks for everything, Steve

 ---

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 From: Frank J. Lhota frank...@rcn.com

 Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] Problem opening file
 To: unicon-group@lists.sourceforge.net
 Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 6:51 AM


 On 6/17/2010 7:26 PM, Andrew Clarke wrote:
  Not sure what you mean here, but it's merely an issue of writing the
  program literal in Icon code. Windows supports / in paths, in fact
  this feature of Windows has been around from day 1 of MS-DOS 2.0,
  long before Windows was a twinkle in Bill Gates wallet.

 That's not quite true. As a default, MS-DOS 2.0 and later used '/' as
 the command line switch character, and '\' as the directory separator.
 MS-DOS 2.0+ did have undocumented DOS functions for getting / setting
 both the switch character and the directory separator character. DOS
 ports of Unix utilities, such as the MKS toolkit, took advantage of
 these undocumented calls to use '-' for switches and '/' for the
 directory separator.

 Unfortunately, support for these undocumented calls disappeared in the
 last few versions of MS-DOS. As far as I know, Windows does nothing to
 support using '/' as a directory separator. Many newer applications do
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Re: [Unicon-group] Problem opening file

[Steve Graham]

Thanks, Jafar.  I see that.  Steve

On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Jafar Al-Gharaibeh to.ja...@gmail.comwrote:

 Steve,

  The Unicon book (at unicon.org) page 37 has table of escape codes and
 character that can be used in strings in Unicon. From what I see in your
 example Unicon ignores the undefined escaped characters and just deletes the
 backslash. However \d is Control-D which is being replaced in the string
 below.

  Jafar




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 solitary.wandere...@gmail.com wrote:

 To be more explicit, this is the program which printed the string below:

 procedure main()
in := c:\users\steve\desktop\dd_va.go
write(This is in: ,in)
 end


 Steve

 ---


 On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Steve Graham jsgraha...@yahoo.comwrote:

  I thought I would see what you got when you only included 1 backslash in
 the file description in Unicon:

 C:\Program Files (x86)\Unicon\bindelete_spaces.exe
 This is in: c:userssteve⌂esktop⌂d_va.go

 Interesting.

 Another question:  When I'm using the IDE, the date/time stamp changes on
 the .icn file when I click the Save button.  However, when I click the
 Compile/Exe button, the date/time stamp of the .exe file does not change.
 However, I do get the following message displayed in the message window:

  wunicon -quiet -log C:\Users\Steve\AppData\Local\Temp\ui2427
 delete_spaces.icn

 Any idea how I can update the .exe file?

 Thanks for everything, Steve

 ---

 --- On *Fri, 6/18/10, Frank J. Lhota frank...@rcn.com* wrote:


 From: Frank J. Lhota frank...@rcn.com

 Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] Problem opening file
 To: unicon-group@lists.sourceforge.net
 Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 6:51 AM


 On 6/17/2010 7:26 PM, Andrew Clarke wrote:
  Not sure what you mean here, but it's merely an issue of writing the
  program literal in Icon code. Windows supports / in paths, in fact
  this feature of Windows has been around from day 1 of MS-DOS 2.0,
  long before Windows was a twinkle in Bill Gates wallet.

 That's not quite true. As a default, MS-DOS 2.0 and later used '/' as
 the command line switch character, and '\' as the directory separator.
 MS-DOS 2.0+ did have undocumented DOS functions for getting / setting
 both the switch character and the directory separator character. DOS
 ports of Unix utilities, such as the MKS toolkit, took advantage of
 these undocumented calls to use '-' for switches and '/' for the
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 Unfortunately, support for these undocumented calls disappeared in the
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[Unicon-group] Problem opening file

[Steve Graham]

I'm running the following program on a Windows 7 x64 box.  When I execute 

icont delete_spaces.icn

I get the following:

Translating:
delete_spaces.icn:
  main
No errors
Linking:

When I execute this:

C:\Program Files (x86)\Unicon\bindelete_spaces

I get this:

Unable to open input file


I've checked security on the file and directory - They're owned by me and look 
okay.

Probably a simple thing.

Any help would be appreciated.


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Re: [Unicon-group] Problem opening file

[Steve Graham]

Thanks Wade and all.  That fixed it.


Thanks, Steve

--- On Thu, 6/17/10, Wade Bowmer sta...@yceran.org wrote:

From: Wade Bowmer sta...@yceran.org
Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] Problem opening file
To: Unicon Mailing List unicon-group@lists.sourceforge.net
Date: Thursday, June 17, 2010, 5:12 PM



On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 03:57:55 +1000, Steve Graham jsgraha...@yahoo.com wrote:

Thanks, Hugh.  Forgot to include the most important thing!

---Backslashes are your problem. They won't work in Unicon strings like that. 
Either double them or replace them with forward slashes.Wade

procedure main()
   in := open(c:\users\steve\desktop\dd_va.go,r) | stop(Unable to open 
input file)
   out := open(c:\users\steve\desktop\dd_va2.go,w) | stop(Unable to open 
output file)
while (line := read(in)) do {
   read(in)
   write(out,line)
}
close(in)
close(out)
a := 1
end

---

--- On Thu, 6/17/10, Hugh Sasse h...@dmu.ac.uk wrote:

From: Hugh Sasse h...@dmu.ac.uk
Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] Problem opening file
To: Steve Graham jsgraha...@yahoo.com
Cc: Unicon Mailing List unicon-group@lists.sourceforge.net
Date:
 Thursday, June 17, 2010, 1:51 PM

I'm not seeing the program in any attachments.  Are you opening the
file to be altered (read + write access)?  Under Vista 64 I've had things
locked by anti-virus programs in a way opaque to me as a user, only when
the AV has done its job does normality return.  That's when I've been
trying to move, delete or otherwise write to the file.

I don't know how to diagnose those further, so hope you get some other
help.

        Hugh

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010, Steve Graham wrote:

 I'm running the following program on a Windows 7 x64 box.  When I execute 
 
 icont delete_spaces.icn
 
 I get the following:
 
 Translating:
 delete_spaces.icn:
   main
 No errors
 Linking:
 
 When I execute this:
 
 C:\Program Files
 (x86)\Unicon\bindelete_spaces
 
 I get this:
 
 Unable to open input file
 
 
 I've checked security on the file and directory - They're owned by me and 
 look okay.
 
 Probably a simple thing.
 
 Any help would be appreciated.
 
 
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Re: [Unicon-group] Procedure in program never called

[Steve Graham]

Why wasn't the original solution finding all of the words in each line?


Steve

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Steve Wampler swamp...@noao.edu wrote:

 Sidney Reilley II wrote:
  #!/opt/local/bin/icon
 
  global letters
  procedure main()
  while word_length(read())
  printout()
  end
 
  procedure word_length(line)
  local length
  initial letters := list(20,0)
  if line == . then stop(Bye)
  line ? while length := (write(*tab(many(letters do {
 tab(many(' .,;:!'))
 letters[length] +:= 1
 }
  return
  end
 
  procedure printout()
  local n
  every n:= 1 to 10 do
 write(There are ,letters[n],,n,­letter words.)
  return
  end

 Hi Sid,

 A number of people have pointed out the problem, but are you also
 interested in suggestions on hot make the solution stronger?  The
 word counting itself can be improved.  To see the problem try
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Re: [Unicon-group] Icon programming for humanists

[Steve Graham]

Clint,

When will the link be up on the website?


Steve

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Subject: [Unicon-group] Icon programming for humanists
To: Unicon group unicon-group@lists.sourceforge.net
Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 3:08 AM

Dear friends,

A draft of the 2nd edition of Alan Corre's Icon Programming for
Humanists is available for public comment;
a link is on the Jeffery Systems page, under Books at unicon.org. We
would appreciate corrections.

Alan has generously contributed to the new edition of his book, and
even more generously agreed that it should
be made available in free electronic form.

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Re: [Unicon-group] UI aborting

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I downloaded the version from the link below (Unicon Version 11.5, April 27,
2008) and built it and am running it on Mepis version 2007.1 (a Debian
derivative).  I have not experienced the problems so far that I had with the
earlier version.

Thanks, Clint.


Steve

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 OK, let's go public then with the release-candidate uni.zip:
 http://www2.cs.uidaho.edu/~jeffery/uni.ziphttp://www2.cs.uidaho.edu/%7Ejeffery/uni.zipis
  almost current
 and has a large number of fixes to Unicon, it is a candidate
 to replace the one on Source Forge and input is solicited.
 After I hear that it builds on several platforms I will update
 its README and copy it over to sourceforge.
 The CVS is still more-current but less stable than uni.zip's.

 I will endeavor to apply rapid fixes to the uni.zip for the next
 few days if I get problem reports.

 Cheers,
 Clint


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 I am using the uni.zip version:  version = Unicon Version 11.4.  January
 10, 2007
 I did find the change font in the Options tag.
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[Unicon-group] Feedback on Unicon Version 11.5, April 27, 2008

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I bring up ui and open a file by selecting the open button, going through
the directories, and finally selecting a file.  It opens up in ui just fine.

Then I close it by pressing the Close button.  It goes away, but ui remains
open.

Then I attempt to open the file by following the same steps as before.
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Re: [Unicon-group] Feedback on Unicon Version 11.5, April 27, 2008

[Steve Graham]

What would be nice is after you go through the directories to choose a file,
the next time you go to open the file the directory would default to the
last one from which you chose a file.


Steve

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Steve Graham 
solitary.wandere...@gmail.com wrote:

 I bring up ui and open a file by selecting the open button, going through
 the directories, and finally selecting a file.  It opens up in ui just fine.

 Then I close it by pressing the Close button.  It goes away, but ui remains
 open.

 Then I attempt to open the file by following the same steps as before.
 However nothing opens up in ui itself.  And no errors are displayed.

 I then try to open it by selecting File/Open.  Again nothing opens in ui.
 And again no errors.

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Re: [Unicon-group] Feedback on Unicon Version 11.5, April 27, 2008

[Steve Graham]

I notice that after I load a file and maximize the window, that the pane
containing the tabs (File, View, Config, etc) extends over the icons (New,
Open, Close, etc) about halfway.

BTW, I am running ui on Mepis (Debian-derivative) Linux version 2007.1 on a
Celeron.



Steve

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Steve Graham 
solitary.wandere...@gmail.com wrote:

 I bring up ui and open a file by selecting the open button, going through
 the directories, and finally selecting a file.  It opens up in ui just fine.

 Then I close it by pressing the Close button.  It goes away, but ui remains
 open.

 Then I attempt to open the file by following the same steps as before.
 However nothing opens up in ui itself.  And no errors are displayed.

 I then try to open it by selecting File/Open.  Again nothing opens in ui.
 And again no errors.

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[Unicon-group] Problem in building Unicon 02-10-2007

[Steve Graham]

I am trying to build this on a Mepis (Debian-derivative) Linux i-386 based
system and got the following messages after the 2 make commands.  I had
similar problems in trying to set up uni.zip.  I would appreciate any
assistance in helping me build Unicon.


TIA, Steve

---

mikey...@mepis1:~/Desktop/Unicon-2007-02-10$ make X-Configure
name=intel_linux
make Pure /dev/null
/bin/sh: line 0: cd: gpacks/README: Not a directory
/bin/sh: line 0: cd: mpacks/README: Not a directory
/bin/sh: line 0: cd: packs/README: Not a directory
cd config/unix; make Setup-Graphics name=intel_linux
make[1]: Entering directory
`/home/mikeynew/Desktop/Unicon-2007-02-10/config/unix'
cd Config; make Makefiles
make[2]: Entering directory
`/home/mikeynew/Desktop/Unicon-2007-02-10/config/unix/Config'
cp ../Config/top.mak ../../../Makefile
cat ../Config/rtt.mak \
../../../src/rtt/Makefile
cat ../Config/common.mak \
../../../src/common/Makefile
cat ../Config/iconc.mak \
../../../src/iconc/Makefile
cat ../Config/preproc.mak \
../../../src/preproc/Makefile
cat ../Config/icont.mak \
../../../src/icont/Makefile
cat ../Config/runtime.mak \
../../../src/runtime/Makefile
cat ../Config/xpm.mak \
../../../src/xpm/lib/Makefile
mkdir -p ../../../ipl/lib
cp unicon.mak ../../../uni/unicon/makefile
cp ipllib.mak ../../../ipl/lib/makefile
cp ide.mak ../../../uni/ide/makefile
cp ivib.mak ../../../uni/ivib/makefile
cp unilib.mak ../../../uni/lib/makefile
cp xml.mak ../../../uni/xml/makefile
cp unidep.mak ../../../uni/unidep/makefile
cp unidoc.mak ../../../uni/unidoc/makefile
cp parser.mak ../../../uni/parser/makefile
cp util.mak ../../../uni/util/makefile
cp gui.mak ../../../uni/gui/makefile
cp native.mak ../../../uni/native/makefile
cp guidemos.mak ../../../uni/gui/guidemos/makefile
cp docs.mak ../../../uni/unidoc/docs/makefile
cp ivib-v2.mak ../../../uni/gui/ivib/makefile
cp uni-top.mak ../../../uni/Makefile
cp iyacc.mak ../../../uni/iyacc/Makefile
cp uni-makedefs ../../../uni/makedefs
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/home/mikeynew/Desktop/Unicon-2007-02-10/config/unix/Config'
cp intel_linux/define.h ../../src/h
cp intel_linux/rswitch.[cs] ../../src/common
cp intel_linux/Makedefs ../..
cp intel_linux/Makedefs ../../Makedefs.in
echo ''  ../../Makedefs
if [ -f intel_linux/custom.sh ]; then cd intel_linux; sh custom.sh; fi
echo '# Graphics enabled'../../Makedefs
echo 'XL = -L../../bin -lXpm $(XLIBS)'   ../../Makedefs
echo '# Graphics enabled'../../Makedefs.in
echo 'XL = -L../../bin -lXpm $(XLIBS)'   ../../Makedefs.in
echo '#define Graphics 1'../../src/h/define.h
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/home/mikeynew/Desktop/Unicon-2007-02-10/config/unix'
sh ./configure
checking for gcc... gcc
checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out
checking whether the C compiler works... yes
checking whether we are cross compiling... no
checking for suffix of executables...
checking for suffix of object files... o
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C... none needed
checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E
checking for egrep... grep -E
checking for ANSI C header files... yes
checking for sys/types.h... yes
checking for sys/stat.h... yes
checking for stdlib.h... yes
checking for string.h... yes
checking for memory.h... yes
checking for strings.h... yes
checking for inttypes.h... yes
checking for stdint.h... yes
checking for unistd.h... yes
checking if oggvorbis is wanted... yes
checking for oggpack_write in -logg... no
checking for vorbis_bitrate_init in -lvorbis... no
checking for ov_open in -lvorbisfile... no
checking ogg.h usability... no
checking ogg.h presence... no
checking for ogg.h... no
checking vorbisfile.h usability... no
checking vorbisfile.h presence... no
checking for vorbisfile.h... no
checking codec.h usability... no
checking codec.h presence... no
checking for codec.h... no
checking oggvorbis in /usr... failed
checking if libsdl is wanted... yes
checking for SDL_AudioInit in -lSDL... no
checking SDL_audio.h usability... no
checking SDL_audio.h presence... no
checking for SDL_audio.h... no
checking libsdl in /usr... failed
checking if libsmpeg is wanted... yes
checking for SMPEG_playAudio in -lsmpeg... no
checking smpeg.h usability... no
checking smpeg.h presence... no
checking for smpeg.h... no
checking libsmpeg in /usr... failed
checking if libopenal is wanted... yes
checking for alGetSourceiv in -lopenal... no
checking al.h usability... no
checking al.h presence... no
checking for al.h... no
checking libopenal in /usr... failed
checking for g++... g++
checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... yes
checking whether g++ accepts -g... yes
checking if jvoiplib is wanted... yes
checking for _ZN9RTPPacket5ClearEv in -ljrtp... 

[Unicon-group] Fwd: Problem in building Unicon 02-10-2007

[Steve Graham]

Well, I feel stupid.  In googling this issue, I see that apparently I'd
tried to do this a while ago and Clint had pointed out that I was missing
Xlib.h.  And sure enough I was.  So a little more googling and I determined
the package which needed to be downloaded and I did just that.

This time when I tried 'make Unicon' I got much further.  I'm also including
the relevant part for the errors.  Any ideas about these?


TIA, Steve

---

gcc -Wl,-E -L../../bin  -L/usr/lib -Lbin -L/usr/lib -L/usr/openwin/lib
-L/usr/lib -L/usr/lib64 -o iconx  xcnv.o xdata.o xdef.o xerrmsg.o xextcall.o
xfconv.o xfload.o xfmath.o xfmisc.o xfmonitr.o xfscan.o xfstr.o xfstranl.o
xfstruct.o xfsys.o xfwindow.o ximain.o ximisc.o xinit.o xinterp.o xinvoke.o
xfdb.o xkeyword.o xlmisc.o xoarith.o xoasgn.o xocat.o xocomp.o xomisc.o
xoref.o xoset.o xovalue.o xralc.o xrcoexpr.o xrcomp.o xrdb.o xrdebug.o
xrlocal.o xrlrgint.o xrmemmgt.o xrmisc.o xrstruct.o xrsys.o xrwinrsc.o
xrgfxsys.o xrwinsys.o xrwindow.o xfxtra.o xraudio.o xrposix.o xrmsg.o
../common/long.o ../common/time.o ../common/save.o ../common/rswitch.o
../common/redirerr.o ../common/xwindow.o ../common/alloc.o
../common/mlocal.o -L../../bin -lXpm -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXpm -lX11 -lodbc
-lX11 -lz  -lm -L ../../bin -laudio -lm -lgdbm -ltp -lnsl -ldl
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXpm
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[2]: *** [iconx] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/home/mikeynew/Desktop/Unicon-2007-02-10/src/runtime'
make[1]: *** [interp_all] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/home/mikeynew/Desktop/Unicon-2007-02-10/src/runtime'
make: *** [Icont] Error 2
mikey...@mepis1:~/Desktop/Unicon-2007-02-10$

---

--- On *Tue, 3/17/09, Steve Graham solitary.wandere...@gmail.com* wrote:


From: Steve Graham solitary.wandere...@gmail.com
Subject: [Unicon-group] Problem in building Unicon 02-10-2007
To: unicon-group@lists.sourceforge.net
Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 12:25 PM

I am trying to build this on a Mepis (Debian-derivative) Linux i-386 based
system and got the following messages after the 2 make commands.  I had
similar problems in trying to set up uni.zip.  I would appreciate any
assistance in helping me build Unicon.


TIA, Steve

---

mikey...@mepis1:~/Desktop/Unicon-2007-02-10$ make X-Configure
name=intel_linux
make Pure /dev/null
/bin/sh: line 0: cd: gpacks/README: Not a directory
/bin/sh: line 0: cd: mpacks/README: Not a directory
/bin/sh: line 0: cd: packs/README: Not a directory
cd config/unix; make Setup-Graphics name=intel_linux
make[1]: Entering directory
`/home/mikeynew/Desktop/Unicon-2007-02-10/config/unix'
cd Config; make Makefiles
make[2]: Entering directory
`/home/mikeynew/Desktop/Unicon-2007-02-10/config/unix/Config'
cp ../Config/top.mak ../../../Makefile
cat ../Config/rtt.mak \
../../../src/rtt/Makefile
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[Unicon-group] Problem in building Unicon 02-10-2007

[Steve Graham]

Thanks, Jafar and all those who read and responded to my e-mails.  I figured
out that if the first problem was caused by a missing file, the 2nd one
might be caused by the same sort of problem.  So I found the development
package, downloaded it and tried the make again.  Voila, it worked.

Thanks again to all who produced Icon/Unicon and provided assistance.



Steve

---


On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Jafar Al-Gharaibeh  wrote:

 Steve,

  You are missing the X11 pixmap libarary.

   Install the libxpm-dev package

 Thanks,
 Jafar


 On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Steve Graham 
 solitary.wandere...@gmail.com wrote:

  Well, I feel stupid.  In googling this issue, I see that apparently I'd
 tried to do this a while ago and Clint had pointed out that I was missing
 Xlib.h.  And sure enough I was.  So a little more googling and I determined
 the package which needed to be downloaded and I did just that.

 This time when I tried 'make Unicon' I got much further.  I'm also
 including the relevant part for the errors.  Any ideas about these?


 TIA, Steve

 ---

 gcc -Wl,-E -L../../bin  -L/usr/lib -Lbin -L/usr/lib -L/usr/openwin/lib
 -L/usr/lib -L/usr/lib64 -o iconx  xcnv.o xdata.o xdef.o xerrmsg.o xextcall.o
 xfconv.o xfload.o xfmath.o xfmisc.o xfmonitr.o xfscan.o xfstr.o xfstranl.o
 xfstruct.o xfsys.o xfwindow.o ximain.o ximisc.o xinit.o xinterp.o xinvoke.o
 xfdb.o xkeyword.o xlmisc.o xoarith.o xoasgn.o xocat.o xocomp.o xomisc.o
 xoref.o xoset.o xovalue.o xralc.o xrcoexpr.o xrcomp.o xrdb.o xrdebug.o
 xrlocal.o xrlrgint.o xrmemmgt.o xrmisc.o xrstruct.o xrsys.o xrwinrsc.o
 xrgfxsys.o xrwinsys.o xrwindow.o xfxtra.o xraudio.o xrposix.o xrmsg.o
 ../common/long.o ../common/time.o ../common/save.o ../common/rswitch.o
 ../common/redirerr.o ../common/xwindow.o ../common/alloc.o
 ../common/mlocal.o -L../../bin -lXpm -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXpm -lX11 -lodbc
 -lX11 -lz  -lm -L ../../bin -laudio -lm -lgdbm -ltp -lnsl -ldl
 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXpm
 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
 make[2]: *** [iconx] Error 1
 make[2]: Leaving directory
 `/home/mikeynew/Desktop/Unicon-2007-02-10/src/runtime'
 make[1]: *** [interp_all] Error 2
 make[1]: Leaving directory
 `/home/mikeynew/Desktop/Unicon-2007-02-10/src/runtime'
 make: *** [Icont] Error 2
 mikey...@mepis1:~/Desktop/Unicon-2007-02-10$

 ---

 --- On *Tue, 3/17/09, Steve Graham solitary.wandere...@gmail.com*wrote:


 From: Steve Graham solitary.wandere...@gmail.com
 Subject: [Unicon-group] Problem in building Unicon 02-10-2007
 To: unicon-group@lists.sourceforge.net
 Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 12:25 PM

 I am trying to build this on a Mepis (Debian-derivative) Linux i-386 based
 system and got the following messages after the 2 make commands.  I had
 similar problems in trying to set up uni.zip.  I would appreciate any
 assistance in helping me build Unicon.


 TIA, Steve

 ---

 mikey...@mepis1:~/Desktop/Unicon-2007-02-10$ make X-Configure
 name=intel_linux
 make Pure /dev/null
 /bin/sh: line 0: cd: gpacks/README: Not a directory
 /bin/sh: line 0: cd: mpacks/README: Not a directory
 /bin/sh: line 0: cd: packs/README: Not a directory
 cd config/unix; make Setup-Graphics name=intel_linux
 make[1]: Entering directory
 `/home/mikeynew/Desktop/Unicon-2007-02-10/config/unix'
 cd Config; make Makefiles
 make[2]: Entering directory
 `/home/mikeynew/Desktop/Unicon-2007-02-10/config/unix/Config'
 cp ../Config/top.mak ../../../Makefile
 cat ../Config/rtt.mak \
 ../../../src/rtt/Makefile
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[Unicon-group] Fonts

[Steve Graham]

I've got Unicon loaded on my Linux system and I would like to improve or
change the fonts it utilizes.  How does on go about that?


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[Unicon-group] Fw: Re: Fonts

[Steve Graham]

Actually, I wanted to choose the fonts used by ui


Steve

--- On Tue, 3/17/09, Clinton Jeffery clint.jeff...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Clinton Jeffery clint.jeff...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] Fonts
To: Steve Graham solitary.wandere...@gmail.com
Cc: unicon-group@lists.sourceforge.net
Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 5:05 PM

Steve,

xlsfonts lists all the fonts available on a given X server.  Unicon can use all 
of them in
graphics programs using the standard X names, and a shorter form 
(family,style,size)
will often work.  But I wasn't sure whether you mean to be asking how to add 
more fonts

to X11 (copying in .ttf files or whatever), or whether you mean to be asking 
how to change
a given Unicon graphics program to use a different font (by editing its 
font=... attribute).
Which of those were you wanting, or did you want to do both?


Cheers,
Clint

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Steve Graham solitary.wandere...@gmail.com 
wrote:

I've got Unicon loaded on my Linux system and I would like to improve or change 
the fonts it utilizes.  How does on go about that?




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Re: [Unicon-group] UI aborting

[Steve Graham]

I am using the uni.zip version:  version = Unicon Version 11.4.  January
10, 2007

I did find the change font in the Options tag.

Hey, I'm using free software so I'm the beggar here.  Anything you have to
offer, I appreciate.


Thanks, Steve

---

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Clinton Jeffery clint.jeff...@gmail.comwrote:

 Steve,

 The buck stops with me on ui problems, but I will carbon copy my student
 Hani as he has been responsible for most changes to ui in recent times.
 Bugs older than a certain date are not his doing.

 In any case, I first start with: are you working from CVS, or a uni.zip and
 what
 date does your version say?  Next, I attempt to reproduce your bug in our
 latest
 bleeding edge version of ui.  My report is, I think that the run-time
 arguments
 problem may have been fixed, the Run Arguments menu is ugly as heck and
 doesn't
 comply with basic usability principles but seems to work for me and I
 vaguely recall
 a fix related to it, so I'd want to see if the problem is that I haven't
 updated the public
 sources fast enough.  My pre-public sources are at
 http://www2.cs.uidaho.edu/~jeffery/uni.ziphttp://www2.cs.uidaho.edu/%7Ejeffery/uni.zipand
  they are pretty current if that helps.

 I went on to your second reported problem, with changing the font.  The
 current ui has
 a Config menu that has a Font... option. When I tried it out, it died
 with a runtime error
 on me if I didn't pick a Color, but did work (on the messages window only)
 when I did pick
 a color.

 So: I'm going to recommend newer sources if that's applicable, and
 I'm going to ask Hani to improve the dialogs and make them bulletproof.


 On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Steve Graham 
 solitary.wandere...@gmail.com wrote:

 I can edit and compile from ui on Linux just fine.  However, when I
 attempt to  enter run-time arguments, the window simply disappears.

 Any thoughts on how to fix this?



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[Unicon-group] Help

[Steve Graham]

I've got a simple problem which would cause me to pull out my hair if that was 
still an option.

The following very short program is not printing out aField.  When I run it, I 
see that there are 269 elements in fieldNames and they print out with the 
'every write(!fieldNames)' line.  However, later on they do not print out with 
the 'writes(aField)' line and the last line shows the list is now empty so the 
elements were extracted.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.


Steve

===

procedure main(args)

   local fieldNames := []

  if *args = 0 then stop(No input files specified)

in1 := open(args[1],r) | stop(Unable to open ', args[1], ')
   in2 := open(args[2],r) | stop(Unable to open ', args[2], ')
   while put(fieldNames,read(in1))
   every write(!fieldNames)
   write(*fieldNames=,*fieldNames)
   read()
   while line := read(in2) do {
  if (find(CDATA[,line)  0) then {
   aField := get(fieldNames)
   writes(  text![CDATA[)
   writes(aField)
   write(]]/text)

   }
  else {
write(line)
  }
 }

write(*fieldNames=,*fieldNames)

end


  

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[Unicon-group] Web Apps with Unicon

[Steve Graham]

Anyone have any experience using Unicon for web apps?  Instead of 
Perl/Python/PHP/etc?  I'd be especially interested in how much memory it took 
(compared to the others) and how much CPU.


Steve



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[Unicon-group] Making Unicon

[Steve Graham]

I got adventurous and decided to use version 11.4 source code to build
Unicon.  I downloaded the file, unzipped it to /usr/share/unicon and
executed 'make X-Configure name=intel_linux'.  That seemed to go well
enough.  Then I executed 'make Unicon'.  That went less well.  The errors
follow.  I am running Mepis Linux 7.0_32 (a derivative of Debian Linux) on a
1.7 ? GHz Celeron.  I am not a C/C++ programmer so I don't think I'm going
to be able to resolve this.  I would appreciate any help you can render.

Thank you for your help.

Steve

---

cd src/common;  make
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/share/unicon/src/common'
gcc -I../libtp -I../gdbm -I../xpm  -I/usr/X11R6/include   -c -o doincl.o
doincl.c
In file included from ../h/../h/sys.h:246,
 from ../h/rt.h:10,
 from doincl.c:14:
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:76:24: error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:77:25: error: X11/Xutil.h: No such file or directory
In file included from ../h/../h/sys.h:246,
 from ../h/rt.h:10,
 from doincl.c:14:
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:153: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:163: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:175: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before
'Visual'
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:313: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:320: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:326: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:333: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:340: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:346: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:352: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:358: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:364: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:370: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:377: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:383: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:414: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:421: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:427: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:433: error: expected ')' before '*' token
In file included from ../h/rt.h:10,
 from doincl.c:14:
../h/../h/sys.h:255:27: error: X11/Xos.h: No such file or directory
../h/../h/sys.h:256:29: error: X11/Xatom.h: No such file or directory
In file included from ../h/rt.h:20,
 from doincl.c:14:
../h/../h/graphics.h:186: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before
'XFontStruct'
../h/../h/graphics.h:228: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before
'XImage'
../h/../h/graphics.h:269: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before
'Display'
../h/../h/graphics.h:358: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before
'GC'
../h/../h/graphics.h:481: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before
'Window'
In file included from ../h/rt.h:36,
 from doincl.c:14:
../h/../h/rproto.h:334: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...'
before 'XPoint'
../h/../h/rproto.h:336: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...'
before 'XPoint'
../h/../h/rproto.h:387: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...'
before 'XRectangle'
../h/../h/rproto.h:427: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...'
before 'XPoint'
../h/../h/rproto.h:428: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/rproto.h:533: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or
'__attribute__' before 'xcolor'
../h/../h/rproto.h:534: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...'
before 'XColor'
../h/../h/rproto.h:540: error: expected ')' before '*' token
make[1]: *** [doincl.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/share/unicon/src/common'
make: *** [Common] Error 2
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[Unicon-group] Making Unicon

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I got adventurous and decided to use version 11.4 source code to build Unicon.  
I downloaded the file, unzipped it to /usr/share/unicon and executed 'make 
X-Configure name=intel_linux'.  That seemed to go well enough.  Then I executed 
'make Unicon'.  That went less well.  The errors follow.  I am running Mepis 
Linux 7.0_32 (a derivative of Debian Linux) on a 1.7 ? GHz Celeron.  I am not a 
C/C++ programmer so I don't think I'm going to be able to resolve this.  I 
would appreciate any help you can render.

Thank you for your help.

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cd src/common;  make
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/share/unicon/src/common'
gcc -I../libtp -I../gdbm -I../xpm  -I/usr/X11R6/include   -c -o doincl.o 
doincl.c
In file included from ../h/../h/sys.h:246,
 from ../h/rt.h:10,
 from doincl.c:14:
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:76:24: error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:77:25: error: X11/Xutil.h: No such file or directory
In file included from ../h/../h/sys.h:246,
 from ../h/rt.h:10,
 from doincl.c:14:
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:153: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:163: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:175: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before 
'Visual'
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:313: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:320: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:326: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:333: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:340: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:346: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:352: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:358: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:364: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:370: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:377: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:383: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:414: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:421: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:427: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/../xpm/xpm.h:433: error: expected ')' before '*' token
In file included from ../h/rt.h:10,
 from doincl.c:14:
../h/../h/sys.h:255:27: error: X11/Xos.h: No such file or directory
../h/../h/sys.h:256:29: error: X11/Xatom.h: No such file or directory
In file included from ../h/rt.h:20,
 from doincl.c:14:
../h/../h/graphics.h:186: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before 
'XFontStruct'
../h/../h/graphics.h:228: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before 
'XImage'
../h/../h/graphics.h:269: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before 
'Display'
../h/../h/graphics.h:358: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before 'GC'
../h/../h/graphics.h:481: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before 
'Window'
In file included from ../h/rt.h:36,
 from doincl.c:14:
../h/../h/rproto.h:334: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 
'XPoint'
../h/../h/rproto.h:336: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 
'XPoint'
../h/../h/rproto.h:387: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 
'XRectangle'
../h/../h/rproto.h:427: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 
'XPoint'
../h/../h/rproto.h:428: error: expected ')' before '*' token
../h/../h/rproto.h:533: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' 
before 'xcolor'
../h/../h/rproto.h:534: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 
'XColor'
../h/../h/rproto.h:540: error: expected ')' before '*' token
make[1]: *** [doincl.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/share/unicon/src/common'
make: *** [Common] Error 2


  

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[Unicon-group] Installing on Windows

[Steve Graham]

I've downloaded version 11.3 of Unicon and it seems to install correctly.  
However, when I fire it up, I get a window (ui.exe) and a message pane asking, 
What, no binaries?...

When I click okay on the message pane, I get the editor and the other window 
has the message Did not find expected unicon binaries in a bin/ directory.

When I try to create a simple .exe in the editor and run it, I get a bunch of 
messages in the Messages pane saying that it cannot open various log files.

Any ideas?

Thanks, Steve


  

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Re: [Unicon-group] Installing on Windows

[Steve Graham]

No, but I did just find it by searching the archived messages.  Should have 
done that first.  Thanks for the tip.

BTW, has development of Unicon stopped?  I got a lot of use out of it and its 
predecessor for various projects over the years.  Great all-around language.  
Thanks much to all.


Steve Graham

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--- On Fri, 7/11/08, Clinton Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Clinton Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Unicon-group] Installing on Windows
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 5:34 PM
 Steve,
 
 Have you added c:\unicon\bin (or wherever you
 installed it) to your PATH in
 the control panel?
 
 On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Steve Graham
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I've downloaded version 11.3 of Unicon and it
 seems to install correctly.
   However, when I fire it up, I get a window (ui.exe)
 and a message pane
  asking, What, no binaries?...
 
  When I click okay on the message pane, I get the
 editor and the other
  window has the message Did not find expected
 unicon binaries in a bin/
  directory.
 
  When I try to create a simple .exe in the editor and
 run it, I get a bunch
  of messages in the Messages pane saying that it cannot
 open various log
  files.
 
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Re: [Unicon-group] 13 Coins (in a fountain?)

[Steve Graham]

Here is my latest attempt.  I would appreciate any comments, particularly about 
how to better take advantage of Unicon's strengths.


Thanks, Steve

===

global coins, numLevels, targetSum, totalCoins, tries

procedure main()
   local cumulativeSum, level, numCoinsLeft
   init()
   level :=  1
   numCoinsLeft  := totalCoins
   cumulativeSum :=  0
   solveProblem(level,numCoinsLeft,cumulativeSum)
   write(\n# Tries = ,tries)
end
   
procedure init()
   coins  := [
  [Dollar,100,0,Dollars],
  [Half Dollar,50,0,Half Dollars],
  [Quarter,25,0,Quarters],
  [Dime,10,0,Dimes],
  [Nickel,5,0,Nickels],
  [Penny,1,0,Pennies]
 ]
   numLevels  := *coins
   targetSum  := 110
   totalCoins := 13
   tries  := 0
end

procedure solveProblem(level,numCoinsLeft,cumulativeSum)
   local aList, i, newSum
   tries+:= 1
   every i   := numCoinsLeft to 0 by -1 do {
  newSum := cumulativeSum + (i * coins[level][2])
  if newSum = targetSum then {
 if numCoinsLeft = i then {
aList:= coins[level]
  aList[3] := i
  coins[level] := aList
  printSolution(level)
  aList[3] := 0
  coins[level] := aList
  }
   }
  else {
 if newSum  targetSum then {
if (level  numLevels)  ((numCoinsLeft - i)  0) then {
 aList:= coins[level]
 aList[3] := i
 coins[level] := aList
 solveProblem(level + 1, numCoinsLeft - i, newSum)
 aList[3] := 0
 coins[level] := aList
 }
}
 }
  }
end

procedure printSolution(level)
   local aList, i
   write()
   every i  := 1 to level do {
  aList := coins[i]
  if aList[3]  0 then {
 writes(right(aList[3],2),  )
 writes(left((aList[3] = 1  aList[1]) | aList[4],13))
   }
  }
   write()
end

===

 Steve Wampler [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/31/05 12:20 PM 
There was a lot of unneeded code in that last solution (left over from
the previous one), so here's a cleaned-up version in case anyone
is interested...

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[Unicon-group] Combinations

[Steve Graham]

I'm looking for a way to generate every possible combination of n letters out 
of a total of m letters.

For example, if the available letters are  A, B, C and I want to generate all 
possible 2-letter combinations, it should generate the following:
AB
BA
AC
CA
BC
CB

I think I've seen a trivial way of doing this in Icon/Unicon but don't 
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Re: [Unicon-group] Combinations

[Steve Graham]

Steve,

   Thanks for the feedback.  You were right:  I did need the permutations.

   2 questions:
   1) What does the '1+:' accomplish in 

else s[j := 1 to *s] || permute(s[1+:j-1]||s[j+1:0], i-1)

   2) What does the '--' accomplish in 

else (c := !s) || permute(s--c, i-1)



Thanks again, Steve

 Steve Wampler [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/27/05 1:09 PM 
Steve Wampler wrote:
 Steve Wampler wrote:
 
Steve Graham wrote:


I'm looking for a way to generate every possible combination of n letters 
out of a total of m letters.

For example, if the available letters are  A, B, C and I want to generate 
all possible 2-letter combinations, it should generate the following:
AB
BA
AC
CA
BC
CB

I think I've seen a trivial way of doing this in Icon/Unicon but don't 
remember.  Any ideas?


Hi Steve,

There's a method comp(s, n) in the IPL (procs/strings.icn) that does what you 
want.  The
code is:

   procedure comb(s, i)#: character combinations
  local j

  if i  1 then fail
  suspend if i = 1 then !s
 else s[j := 1 to *s - i + 1] || comb(s[j + 1:0], i - 1)

   end
 
 
 Actually, in reading your mail again, I think you mean 'permutations', not
 combinations.  The following code should work:
 
 procedure permute(s, i)
local j
 
if i  1 then fail
suspend if i = 1 then !s
else s[j := 1 to *s] || permute(s[1+:j-1]||s[j+1:0], i-1)
 end

And finally, here's another approach.  Note that the semantics are
slightly different, in that this version starts by removing duplicated
letters from the input:

   procedure permute(s, i)
  if i  1 then fail
  s := cset(s)
  suspend if i = 1 then !s
 else (c := !s) || permute(s--c, i-1)
   end

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[Unicon-group] every vs while

[Steve Graham]

I am having troubles understanding this difference.

In a piece of code I had defined a list which had 2 elements.  Then I tried to 
do something like:

   while WritePara(get(aList))

However, it would never pickup the 2nd element.  But when I changed it to 
this:

   every WritePara(!aList)

It picked up both elements of the list.  Now, I guess I understand the latter, 
that every activates the generator (!) and so it works.  However, I would 
have supposed that the while construct would continue executing, until the 
stack was empty,

Any comments?


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Re: [Unicon-group] More Unicon and SQL/ODBC

[Steve Graham]

Just took a (closer) look at the data returned to me when I omitted the date 
conditions, and noticed that the dates were coming back as -mm-dd.  So I 
adjusted my conditions accordingly, and voilá it worked!

The moral of this story is give the computer exactly what it wants and it may 
work.

Thanks, Steve


 Federico Balbi [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/23/2005 7:27:53 PM 
 In my Unicon program I create an SQL query which is submitted to the
 database server.  I need to add 2 parameters, beginning/ending dates,
 which I will ask of the user and insert into the WHERE portion of the
 query.  However, when I do such, I get nothing back from the server.
 I've tried adding quotation marks, and that does not seem to help. I've
 also tried entering the internal format of the dates into the query.
 Again, without success

I do not think you can use parameters with unicon. You have to build the
query on the fly and submit it. dates should be in the server format, for
SQL server for example 'mm/dd/ccyy' or 'mm-dd-ccyy'. I also saw things
like '#mm/dd/ccyy#'

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Re: [unicon] [Unicon-group] Addition Errors

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Okay, I've applied the following function to every number and sum and I
still get phony results.  More ideas?

procedure fixNum(aNum)
   i := integer((aNum * 100) + .5)
   j := real(i)/100
   return j
end



Steve

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Steve Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am drawing data from a foreign database using ODBC, which transfer
 seems to work just fine.  However, I'm having some arithmetic errors.

 As I pull in the data, which is sorted in name/date order, I
calculate
 name and date hour subtotals.  Virtually all of the raw data has at
the
 most 2 digits to the right of the decimal point.  However, in
certain
 situations the daily subtotal will have 15 digits to the right of
the
 decimal point.  In one such case the 4 data points are:  4.0, 0.3,
1.5,
 4.0 .  And my program returns a subtotal of 9.801 ! 
Another
 odd occurrence is that the name subtotal, which is created using the
 same data points (albeit more of them than for any one date), has no
 such problems.

This looks like floating point truncation error.  Can you have all the
numbers scaled up by a factor of 100, so they can be represented as
fixed point (integer) values?

Otherwise if it is floating point error it's probably safe if you
round to 2 decimal places after every addition.

If you are reading strings with decimal points in them, just remove
that character before converting to an integer.  Icon automatically
converts strings to integers and so it can happen accidentally pretty
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Re: [unicon] [Unicon-group] Addition Errors

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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/22/2005 8:28:41 PM 
Steve Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Okay, I've applied the following function to every number and sum and I
 still get phony results.  More ideas?
 
 procedure fixNum(aNum)
i := integer((aNum * 100) + .5)
j := real(i)/100
return j
 end

It is perfectly normal for this sort of thing to happen with floating
point numbers; it is an inherent flaw in the representation.  For
example, I just compiled this demonstration program (fp.f) with GNU
Fortran77 (g77):

  PROGRAM FP
  X = 333.0 / 100.0
  PRINT 100,X
 100  FORMAT (F50.40)
  END

I chose Fortran because it is the language most commonly used for
floating point operations.  Here's the output:

3.3292370605468750

You get this because the floating point numbers are in binary instead
of decimal.

Binary floating point is designed for science and engineering, not
financial calculation, which is unfortunate in this case.  My guess is
you will have to work around it.

===

I have to say that I have rarely had this problem with addition in 25 years of 
programming!  I believe that the language that I currently use  (MUMPS/M/Caché) 
displays fewer digits than it maintains internally.  So maybe that's why.

Anyways, thanks for the help.  Listed below is my solution.  I would appreciate 
any pointers from you Icon/Unicon gurus on how to make the code more efficient.

Thanks, Steve

procedure fadd(aNum1, aNum2)
   i1 := integer((aNum1 * 100) + .5)
   i2 := integer((aNum2 * 100) + .5)
   i3 := string(i1 + i2)
   i3 := i3[1:-2] || . || i3[0:-2]
   if i3[0:-3] == .00 then i3 := i3[1:-3]
   else {
  if i3[0:-2] == .0 then i3 := i3[1:-2]
  else {
 if (i3[-3] == .)  (i3[-1] == 0) then i3 := i3[1:-1]
 }
  }
   return i3
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[Unicon-group] Addition Errors

[Steve Graham]

I am drawing data from a foreign database using ODBC, which transfer
seems to work just fine.  However, I'm having some arithmetic errors. 
As I pull in the data, which is sorted in name/date order, I calculate
name and date hour subtotals.  Virtually all of the raw data has at the
most 2 digits to the right of the decimal point.  However, in certain
situations the daily subtotal will have 15 digits to the right of the
decimal point.  In one such case the 4 data points are:  4.0, 0.3, 1.5,
4.0 .  And my program returns a subtotal of 9.801 !  Another
odd occurrence is that the name subtotal, which is created using the
same data points (albeit more of them than for any one date), has no
such problems.

I have tried correcting the problem by adding 0 to the incoming hours
list piece and have tried using numeric(), but to no avail.

Any comments would be appreciated.


TIA, Steve

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Re: [Unicon-group] Windows Unicon w/ ODBC support

[Steve Graham]

Guess I was trying to execute a program which had old-style ODBC
functions.  After changing such, it worked great!


Thanks so much for Unicon.


Steve Graham

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I downloaded the Windows 11.0 beta binary from sourceforge thinking
that
it would contain the ODBC support.  However, the traceback indicates
that the function dbopen is null.  This leads me to think that the
support is missing.

Can someone suggest where I could load the latest Unicon with such
support for Windows?


TIA, Steve Graham

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Re: [Unicon-group] Compilation from CVS under Windows XP

[Steve Graham]

Eleanor,

   You mentioned OS/9 in your post.  I had read about that decades ago
and had no idea that it was still in use.  Could you expound a bit on
what you're doing with it and why it is the preferred OS for that
project?

TIA, Steve Graham

 Eleanor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2/17/2005 7:54:20 AM 
On 17 Feb 2005, at 12:22, Clint Jeffery wrote:
 My exact toolset lives at http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~jeffery/win32/ 

 I have found that which make.exe and which sh.exe are first in the 
 path,
 and other irritating and subtle things seem to have to be just right

 for
 everything to be smooth, and once I get them set up I have no
problems.

I suspected as much. I set things up as described and downloaded the 
suggested tools, but ended up with only the rtt.exe and icont.exe files

building. I must admit that make is not a tool I'm overly familiar with

as for the last 8 years or so I've been working in VB on Windows, and C

on an RT embedded system (OS/9) with markedly less sophisticated build

tools than *NIX.

 Visual C++ should have worked without much trouble if installed 
 correctly
 and vcvars32.bat executed and such.

This is the first time I've tried building anything substantial with 
VC++ 7.1 and I'm considering putting VC++ 6 on my development machine 
and seeing if that makes a difference. As at one point compilation is 
choking on declaration of an HGLRC type (which obviously shouldn't be a

problem) it's always possible that MS have done something strange with

their OpenGL includes. But that said, I ran up a quick example from the

GLUT toolkit and that compiles and runs fine, so I'm probably missing 
something really obvious.

 I'd be very happy to work with you through whatever problems you have

 with
 the build process on Windows, and to improve the buildability of my 
 sources.
 We want to help more people compiling the sources on more platforms.

I'm planning to build from source on MacOS X and BeOS over the next 
couple of months, as part of the attraction of Unicon (apart from Icon

and OO and DBI) is the idea of write-once-run-everywhere. I know there

are people who'd say the same can be achieved with Java, but life is 
far too short and the runtime far too heavy.

   I'm looking at integrating SDL and OpenAL for a project I'm
working 
 on.

 This is Very interesting. I guess I prefer our own 2D and 3D
graphics
 facilities over SDL for graphics, but of course everyone is free to
add
 whatever they want.

Well my needs are slightly different to those addressed by the standard

Icon/Unicon graphics facilities in that I'm looking at developing a 
networked 3D adventure game, implementing the graphics blits in the 
background with an SDL thread synced to a fixed (user configurable) 
frame-rate and probably keeping most of the graphics engine in C as 
well. I know it probably sounds like a bit of a strange architecture 
(it's inspired by game development languages like DarkBASIC) but I'm 
very keen to develop the game-play layer in a decent language whilst 
still having as high a level of performance as possible. And of course

SDL is available pretty much wherever OpenGL is these days. My 
extremely ambitious long-term goal is to do for 3D gaming what Infocom

did for the text adventure 8)

 For OpenAL we might want to work with you and make that
 part of the language as standard.  We have been adding audio support

 over
 the past year, including Voice-over-IP capabilities.

That's something I wasn't aware of. The VoIP capability is something 
I'd definitely be interested in learning more about, both because it 
might be useful in the game I'm working on, but also because it occurs

to me that (depending on the actual implementation) it could be run off

of a web server via cgi with some clever client-side browser scripting

making it ideal for use from internet cafes etc...

Once I've had a chance to play properly I'll post the results of my 
OpenAL and SDL experiments, and if you want to roll them into the main

Unicon distro then please feel free to do so.

   It appears the loadfunc feature has been implemented for Windows
at 
 last

 It has, by me, and I made a point to make it possible for the same C

 code
 to be compiled and loadfunc'ed on Windows and on UNIX/Linux, but this

 was
 awhile ago and the code may well have some bitrot on Windows, or only

 work
 under some compilers (say, Visual C++) and need further porting to 
 others.
 I bet almost no one has used the loadfunc() on Windows yet, but I 
 could be
 surprised.  I will certainly assist anyone brave enough to pound on 
 it, but
 can't yet guarantee a smooth ride there, and it might need Unicon 
 binaries
 built with the non-default (VC++) compiler anyhow.

Well once I get past my current build problems I'll probably be giving

this feature some heavy duty testing. I've spent a lot of years 
wrapping DLLs with VB Classes for WinAPI calls so I can do low-level 
system programming without needing to resort to C/C++, and I'd like

[Unicon-group] Thanks

[Steve Graham]

Don't know if I've taken the time to thank the creators and maintainers of Icon and 
Unicon.  They are wonderful languages which have enabled me to do a number of 
utilites.  Two of the most recent were shortening the time required to reformat a 
screen layout from minutes/hours to seconds and creating a basic ftp server when the 
scripting language I was using would not transfer files both ways.  I do not yet 
understand some of the intricacies, and sometimes I have to relearn syntax (probably 
because of my
age, bad memory and using it infrequently), but they always come through for me.  
Thanks again.


Steve Graham


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