Re: news about v 8:) // any news about realease date V 8 ?

[Frank Brübach]

look at www.realsoft.com / newsNews2011-09-29Realsoft 3D development newsRealsoft 3D version 8 will include an advanced photon mapping toolkit. Thanks to some ground breaking innovations in noise reduction, photon map can be rendered directly without so called Final Gathering stage. This means that the static photon map can be computed once and reused many times in successive animation frames very quickly.The first example, a walktrough in the well known sponza atrium scene was rendered this way. Once the time consuming photon map computation was done, rendering took only 20 seconds per frame in a modest dual core computer.A static photon map can also be combined with a dynamically computed GI solution. The second example demonstrates this. The moving item uses the standard GI shader of Realsoft 3D v7, whereas the rest of the scene is illuminated with a static photon map. Here the GI shader uses low, quickly computed recursion depth, because the photon mapped illumination distributes the light sufficiently.by chance I found this infos this morning. thanks for not informing the realsoft 3d user at this board about it ;)best regards, frankVon: Frank Brbach frankys-realsoft-n...@web.deGesendet: 05.07.2011 10:37:05An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comBetreff: any news about realease date V 8 ?dear rs friends, there are any news about release date for realsoft 3d version 8 ? I will update from v 5! I am sure there are a lot of benefits from preview version (6 to 7). good luck for next release perhaps in summertime? :) best wishes, frankSchon gehrt? WEB.DE hat einen genialen Phishing-Filter in dieToolbar eingebaut! http://produkte.web.de/go/toolbarSMS schreiben mit WEB.DE FreeMail - einfach, schnell undkostenguenstig. Jetzt gleich testen! http://f.web.de/?mc=021192

any news about realease date V 8 ?

[Frank Brübach]

dear rs friends, there are any news about release date for realsoft 3d version 8 ? I will update from v 5! I am sure there are a lot of benefits from preview version (6 to 7). good luck for next release perhaps in summertime? :) best wishes, frankSchon gehrt? WEB.DE hat einen genialen Phishing-Filter in dieToolbar eingebaut! http://produkte.web.de/go/toolbar

Qt about OpenGL

[Frank Brübach]

hello all. This is not a realsoft specific topic, sorry, but I like and love realsoft 3d. At my school I am working as teacher at the moment with an openGL project. Perhaps somebody can give some infos or links or hints about this question..I am working at an openGL project with (wished!) nicely rounded shapes with openGL :) But there's at the moment no chance to use it. I wanted to use simple primitives with openGL, cube, sphere, torus, cone and on on... but I have noticed all this shapes aren't quite smooth or nicely round shaped. does anybody know why this behaviour is so odd? ;)by one hand I've thought last days that openGL feature for primitives aren't depend at polygon amoung or densitiy for hardware power and gpu power (graphic card accelerators). but I see it is depending at this polygon to cpu/gpu relationship power and dependation. that's true?I liked to use realsoft on my old laptop (five years old!). I can even render few csg models with short rendering times and that's impressive for me :) my question is how I can use simple primitives scenes with openGL (freeglut, glut) and rounded shapes ?I am appreciated to get any answer, would be very great! thanks, frankNeu: WEB.DE De-Mail - Einfach wie E-Mail, sicher wie ein Brief!  Jetzt De-Mail-Adresse reservieren: https://produkte.web.de/go/demail02
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Re: QT: about Realsoft 3d Forum Discussion]

[Frank Brübach]

@Boris :)

dear boris, many thanks for your great work at your website last years. I tried 
to make some inputs but two, three years ago (skripts, plugins, rendering and 
vsl stuff) there weren't enough feedback or only by same people. I was sad 
about this behaviour. I wondered why it was so calm at all. It wasn't your task 
to fill the website with content ;) 

Bad and silly things about spammer's and hackers. I didn't now that, thanks for 
this info. Every good 3d graphic software needs a forum. Look for example at 
lightwave or cinema 4d forum (I don't know other forums). they are still alive 
and 3d graphic themes are wide spreaded, I like this one. So I wished to have a 
good realsoft forum back again. it makes a lot of sense in my eyes to create 
realsoft 3d forum. perhaps it's possible to start new topics again with new 
rendering pics or plugins, vsl, texture. would be nice to see some more 
activity at your website again. I wish good luck and make input again.

best regards, frank brübach

-Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-
Von: Boris Jahn mailingl...@3ddart.org
Gesendet: 30.03.2010 02:30:25
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: QT: about Realsoft 3d Forum Discussion]

Hi Yuriy and all,

  Of course a real working forum needed!
  But I have the impression that Boris tired maintain it alone.
  I can only take my hat off for his patience.

A big thanks for this words!
Just a few words for my giving up. I'm very sure that my website got 
attacked by hired hackers and spammers of the competiting 3D companies. 
I've connections to other forum leaders who are leading forums of more 
general forums where there aren't any companies involved. They get some 
spamming attacks but that's all. The RS forum got attacked with massive 
spam attacks and even more from real hackers who were able to hijack my 
website so that the provider took off all domains I was owning. I got 
attacked from RS users that it's my job to get rid of this because I get 
paid for this. Boys and girls be sure I spent a lot of money to keep 
this running and didn't got any money at all. That got a full time job 
and I even paid for this. And what did you gave me back: zero entries. I 
asked for topics in several threads. Wow ... your suggestions went into 
zero again.
That's what was your work. Wow!
Also I'm a bit frustrated about the programmers. I asked several times 
for nice skin materials. Timo did the most sophisticated skin materials 
but they were hard to handle with the hardware two years ago. Hair: I 
think I got most out of it with lots of brainwork and very tricky tricks 
but I didn't saw lots of updates on this topic.
Realcloth: don't ask how many unfinished projects are lying on my hd. 
Lots of hours I spend to get the best out of it but the breasts of my 
models are still penetrating the cloth which might be porno but I was 
looking for a nice erotic dance.
Other people like zaug gave their best to put out great things like 
greeblez but that were also stopped at some point because some things 
didnt worked. The heaviest supporters were not supported.
I try to keep that unemotional but if the supporters won't be supported 
they have the right to be frustrated.

cheers
Boris
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Re: strange error: Pointwise object property...

[Frank Brübach]

hi mark, any example to send here ?
r3freng belongs to rendering engine

#include r3freng.h /* rendering engine */
#include r3obmp.h /* BMP file format */
#include r3output.h /* system which binds renderer to the final output 
(bmp, in this case) */
#include r3sphere.h /* sphere geometry */
#include r3level.h /* hierarchy level */

R3RegisterFREngineClass(app);
R3RegisterOutputClass(app);
R3RegisterBmpSettingsClass(app);
R3RegisterSphereClass(app);
R3RegisterLevelClass(app);

do you are using perhaps any scripts in your example with channels / post 
processing ?
maybe the default rendering setups are missing something. you say it's even 
when your aren't edited sds objects. better send one simple example to check it 
for errors.
sorry, I didn't know this kind of error yet. last year I have done a lot of vsl 
rendering and post processing examples without problems. I am using win xp, sp2 
;)

bye, frank  

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Mark Heuymans atha...@casema.nl
Gesendet: 20.11.09 21:11:40
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: strange error: Pointwise object property...

Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone else is familiar with this error:
Pointwise object property for unknown channel: SDSFaceUVchn0 (Error: 
r3freng: 404and then a crash.
It sometimes pops up out of the blue when rendering or post processing 
starts, even when I didn't edit any SDS objects.
Any workarounds or ideas?

Tia,
Mark Heuymans




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Re: How can I get the Macroslider to work?

[Frank Brübach]

hi matthias, stefan, I will check it also next days and try to build an js 
example so far as I know yet this kind of sliders and find all necessary infos 
about js handling for gui macro sliders :) but I think it's possible. best 
regards, frank

*Von:* Beg-inner begg...@spray.se
*Gesendet:* 04.11.09 03:51:03
*An:* USER-LIST@LIGHT.REALSOFT3D.COM
*Betreff:* Re: How can I get the Macroslider to work?



Hi Matthias..

Ok thx
I have wondered about this for a long time, so if I wait abit more np, you 
dont need to do this in a hurry, only look at it when you have time over, 
whenever that might be !

Seems like a nice thing to be able to use them, for custom groups of sliders 
for controlling parts of characters or other anim stuff. (If they are easy 
to setup that is..=)
Especially as you can integrate them where ever you want/need in the RS GUI 
and so on..

TIA

Take Care
Best Regards
Stefan Gustafsson ( Beg-inner )
A Proud Owner and User of Real3D and Realsoft3D..


 Hi Stefan,

 I've never tried this.
 If there's enough time left, I'll have a closer look
 on it at the weekend.

 Matthias

 Hi...

 Now that Matthias posted his cool flipbook prj and anim.. I came to think 
 of
 a thing I have wondered over...
 Maybe you Matthias (or someone else) knows something about this...
 The 'Macroslider' that you can drag n drop from the menu
 Environments/Customization...'Available Objects Window' (Macros Tab) and
 place into the RS GUI..
 How do one set it up so you can use such Slider to control some attribute 
 or
 whatever of objects and so on ?
 As I am not at all good at JS, I havent figured out what is needed to get
 the sliders value to set an attributes value

 I didnt find any example on this in the manuals..

 TIA for any clue on how to set this up..

 Take Care
 Best Regards
 Stefan Gustafsson ( Beg-inner )
 A Proud Owner and User of Real3D and Realsoft3D.. 






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Re: How can I get the Macroslider to work?

[Frank Brübach]

ok, but I need the full reference manual for v 6 :) any link for me possible 
to get it ? I have already started my experiments ;)
frank


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Matthias Kappenberg m...@the-dimension.com
Gesendet: 04.11.09 19:13:55
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: How can I get the Macroslider to work?


 Big :-)

 Matthias
- Original Message - 
 *From:*Frank Brübach
 *To:*user-l...@light.realsoft3d.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:27 PM
 *Subject:* Re: How can I get the Macroslider to work?

hi matthias, stefan, I will check it also next days and try to build 
an js example so far as I know yet this kind of sliders and find all 
necessary infos about js handling for gui macro sliders :) but I 
think it's possible. best regards, frank

 *Von:* Beg-inner begg...@spray.se
 *Gesendet:* 04.11.09 03:51:03
 *An:*
 *Betreff:* Re: How can I get the Macroslider to work?

Hi Matthias..

Ok thx
I have wondered about this for a long time, so if I wait abit more np,
you 
dont need to do this in a hurry, only look at it when you have time 
over, 
whenever that might be !

Seems like a nice thing to be abl e to use them, for custom groups of 
sliders 
for controlling parts of characters or other anim stuff. (If they are 
easy 
to setup that is..=)
Especially as you can integrate them where ever you want/need in the 
RS GUI 
and so on..

TIA

Take Care
Best Regards
Stefan Gustafsson ( Beg-inner )
A Proud Owner and User of Real3D and Realsoft3D..

 Hi Stefan,

 I've never tried this.
 If there's enough time left, I'll have a closer look
 on it at the weekend.

 Matthias

 Hi...

 Now that Matthias posted his cool flipbook prj and anim.. I came 
to think 
 of
 a thing I have wondered over...
 Maybe you Matthias (or someone else) knows something about this...
 The 'Macroslider' that you can drag n drop from the menu
 Environments/Customization...'Available Objects Window' (Macros 
Tab) and
 pla ce into the RS GUI..
 How do one set it up so you can use such Slider to control some 
attribute 
 or
 whatever of objects and so on ?
 As I am not at all good at JS, I havent figured out what is needed 
to get
 the sliders value to set an attributes value

 I didnt find any example on this in the manuals..

 TIA for any clue on how to set this up..

 Take Care
 Best Regards
 Stefan Gustafsson ( Beg-inner )
 A Proud Owner and User of Real3D and Realsoft3D.. 

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Re: looking for: r3jsref v6

[Frank Brübach]

sorry, forgotten to say: I am looking for r3jsref for Realsoft 3d V 6 ! :)

ciao, frank

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Frank Brübach frankys-realsoft-n...@web.de
Gesendet: 04.11.09 21:34:24
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: How can I get the Macroslider to work?

ok, but I need the full reference manual for v 6 :) any link for me possible 
to get it ? I have already started my experiments ;)
frank


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Matthias Kappenberg m...@the-dimension.com
Gesendet: 04.11.09 19:13:55
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: How can I get the Macroslider to work?


 Big :-)

 Matthias
- Original Message - 
 *From:*Frank Brübach
 *To:*user-l...@light.realsoft3d.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:27 PM
 *Subject:* Re: How can I get the Macroslider to work?

hi matthias, stefan, I will check it also next days and try to build 
an js example so far as I know yet this kind of sliders and find all 
necessary infos about js handling for gui macro sliders :) but I 
think it's possible. best regards, frank

 *Von:* Beg-inner begg...@spray.se
 *Gesendet:* 04.11.09 03:51:03
 *An:*
 *Betreff:* Re: How can I get the Macroslider to work?

Hi Matthias..

Ok thx
I have wondered about this for a long time, so if I wait abit more np,
you 
dont need to do this in a hurry, only look at it when you have time 
over, 
whenever that might be !

Seems like a nice thing to be abl e to use them, for custom groups of 
sliders 
for controlling parts of characters or other anim stuff. (If they are 
easy 
to setup that is..=)
Especially as you can integrate them where ever you want/need in the 
RS GUI 
and so on..

TIA

Take Care
Best Regards
Stefan Gustafsson ( Beg-inner )
A Proud Owner and User of Real3D and Realsoft3D..

 Hi Stefan,

 I've never tried this.
 If there's enough time left, I'll have a closer look
 on it at the weekend.

 Matthias

 Hi...

 Now that Matthias posted his cool flipbook prj and anim.. I came 
to think 
 of
 a thing I have wondered over...
 Maybe you Matthias (or someone else) knows something about this...
 The 'Macroslider' that you can drag n drop from the menu
 Environments/Customization...'Available Objects Window' (Macros 
Tab) and
 pla ce into the RS GUI..
 How do one set it up so you can use such Slider to control some 
attribute 
 or
 whatever of objects and so on ?
 As I am not at all good at JS, I havent figured out what is needed 
to get
 the sliders value to set an attributes value

 I didnt find any example on this in the manuals..

 TIA for any clue on how to set this up..

 Take Care
 Best Regards
 Stefan Gustafsson ( Beg-inner )
 A Proud Owner and User of Real3D and Realsoft3D.. 

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Re: First impression for daumenkino

[Frank Brübach]

hi matthias. I have tested the daumenkino example with 14 skeletons and your 
scripts. this one works good for me. really nice idea. how will you realize it 
with real newspaper ? ;)

best regards, frank


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Matthias Kappenberg m...@the-dimension.com
Gesendet: 24.10.09 02:00:48
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: First impression for daumenkino

Hi Stefan,

attached is the first skeleton try.
(For the textures I'll use nearly the same procedure,
needs then image sequences like image1xxx.end.
I'll give it a try with image+(1000+NUM)+.end)

Only some fiddling with the flip effect left.
Delay while flipping the images.

As you can see, RS needs significant speed
improvements while working with js-scripts.

Matthias


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Re: new vsl-shader script tool with WAVE :)

[Frank Brübach]

more infos :)

Re: vsl-toolscript with WAVE shader :)

forgotten so say, perhaps important for beginner and/also advanced realsoft 3d 
user:

setup: you must start the script when running realsoft 3d v6: click at menu 
scripts (10th place of menus from left side !) then / toolbars / then 
materials-franko and the vsl shader script will open with buttons, push 
wave and see :)

ciao, frankolino


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Frank Brübach frankys-realsoft-n...@web.de
Gesendet: 24.09.09 17:33:07
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: new vsl-shader script tool with WAVE :)

hi dear realsoft users :)

name of the script plugin: frankolinos-vsl tools. 

I have working out a new VSL Shader Plugin with new shader function called 
wave as a ScriptPlugin. Takes a lot of some minutes to build it, uff :) the 
name of the script myvsl-franko.

but it works and I am very happy! Programming skills have developed since 
quitting here over one year, learned some new stuff with a basic language and 
c++. So I can read this unbelievable strange script language with new eyes and 
more pleasure !

Would be nice to get any feedback, if this vsl-shader works fine on your 
machine. I have tested this vsl-shader WAVE with realsoft 3d V6 demo Version. 
Here it's all ok and you will get a new WAVE material after pushing the button 
Wave at the vsl-shader script.

name of the script: frankolinos-vsl tools. I have used the usual myvsl 
script and add this new WAVE function :D

info: I have saved a txt file too (below: zip file) how and where to place the 
script at realsoft 3d main root. ask, if you don't know how to include this two 
scripts ( a) mainscript: myvsl-franko.js and b) materials-franko.js) you 
need for running the frankolinos-vsl shader script.

some pictures to show the results I add here... or see more at

http://rs-forum.the-final.com/viewtopic.php?f=27t=1116


best regards, more to come, bye, Frankolino

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RE: robert, your website is still online ? + V7 infos

[Frank Brübach]

dear robert, it's possible you have changed your website to another place ?

I have got an empty site under:
http://members.chello.nl/rbroeder/
header: it all starts here. 

:)

by the way: any news about V7 ? It's also possible to get more infos from vesa 
about release issue at the months sept.-octobre ? this aim was done by realsoft 
some month ago ;)

I have written some month ago an interesting particle example with a basic 
language and wanted to adept it for realsoft. unfortunately I have got no 
reply. don't know why...

best regards, Frank


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Robert den Broeder r.den.broe...@chello.nl
Gesendet: 25.05.09 22:41:38
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: RE: Lamborghini RS3D file, now oniline to download

I think I still have the tutorial file that Stefan and I created and which
was originally was part of that project.
Any takers?

Robert

 -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
 Van: owner-l...@light.realsoft3d.com [mailto:owner-
 l...@light.realsoft3d.com] Namens Stefan Klein
 Verzonden: zondag 24 mei 2009 17:08
 Aan: user list Realsoft 3D
 Onderwerp: Lamborghini RS3D file, now oniline to download
 
 Hi dear Realsoft user's!!!
 
 I have online the Lamborhini Tutorial on my new Website, now with the
 Realsoft 3D Projektfile to download for you. :-)
 I hope youre like it..
 
 Download the Lamborghini.rs3d file  = www.planung-klein.de
 
 
 best regards
 Stefan Klein (Blockbuster)





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Re: Some V7 info

[Frank Brübach]

thank you robert for new realsoft infos! :) you are on the right way to refresh 
your great realsoft portal again... I like it... I am curious to see what 
happens more around this site... good luck! 

thanks. Frank


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: r.den.broe...@chello.nl
Gesendet: 18.04.09 07:50:03
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
CC: aidan o driscoll aidan...@eircom.net
Betreff: Re: Some V7 info


Hi Aidan,

Many thanks for the feedback. I also noticed the odd characters.
I'll try to fix that later. I'll have a look at the font issue right away.

Robert


 aidan o driscoll aidan...@eircom.net schreef:
 Hi Robert,
 
 Just tried it through OPERA. On Pages for PART 2 and PART 3 their are some
 extra odd characters down hard left / top.
 
 Also the FONT used for the menu system on the left is times new roman for
 Home, Part 1, Part 2 and own work. For Part 3 it changes to Arial? The Part
 3 font looks best in my opinion. I hate serifs and times new roman anyway :D
 
 Aidan
 
 2009/4/17 Robert den Broeder r.den.broe...@chello.nl
 
   Hi Dean, hi all,
 
 
 
  I just reworked the website. It looks good in IE8 and on my Iphone.
 
  I still notice some minor flaws, but that does not compromise the info ;-)
 
 
 
  Best regards, Robert
 
  http://members.chello.nl/rbroeder
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  *Van:* owner-l...@light.realsoft3d.com [mailto:
  owner-l...@light.realsoft3d.com] *Namens *Dean
  *Verzonden:* donderdag 16 april 2009 16:11
  *Aan:* user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
  *Onderwerp:* Re: Some V7 info
 
 
 
  Just tried the link http://members.chello.nl/rbroeder/   using both Safari
  and Firefox under Mac OSX, neither shows a functioning webpage
 
 
 
 
 
  On Apr 15, 2009, at 8:03 PM, Standley and Mungenast wrote:
 
 
 
   http://members.chello.nl/rbroeder/
 
  is working for me in IE version 6
 
  Thanks Robert! Great info as always.
 
  One of the few pages I check on a regular basis.
 
  Chris Mungenast
 
  Marc F. Bayer wrote:
 
   Hi,
 
  is your page still offline? If not, I have tried to watch it with IE8 and
  Firefox 3.0.4, but it doesn't show up correct in both browsers.
 
   Regards
 
   Marc
 
   - Original Message - From: r.den.broe...@chello.nl
 
   To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
 
   Cc: Karl karlr...@gmail.com
 
   Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 8:50 PM
 
   Subject: Re: Some V7 info
 
 
 
 
 
   hi Karl,
 
 
 
thanks for the feedback. I only tested it with IE7 and it looked OK.
 
I have taken the website off line to see if I can fix it.
 
Be back soon with all the V7 info :-)
 
 
 
Robert
 
 
 
 
 
 Karl karlr...@gmail.com schreef:
 
 Hi all,
 
 
 
 
 
  I have updated my website with some V7 info.
 
 
 
  The website will be frequently updated with more info.
 
 
 
  So please check it out.
 
 
 
 
 
  Best regards, Robert
 
 
 
 Hi
 
 
 
 Just want to inform you that your v7 info page looks, well, qeird quite
 
 frankly, using Opera. Very hard to read, with text lines overlapping
 
 eachother and different text sizes. Looking at the 'code', I gave up
 
 trying to find a cause.
 
 
 
 Cool to see some v7 info, although I've skipped v6 completely due to
  being
 
 way too busy with other stuff.
 
 
 
 --
 
 Karl
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 




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Re: local

[Frank Brübach]

perhaps:)

vesa don't reply to me for my question some month ago... I would like to do 
that FOR FREE!!!

bye, Frank Brübach (Frankolino)

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Nandor Kertes nker...@gmx.de
Gesendet: 23.12.08 19:34:05
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: local 

Hello ,

have someone local germany lang. for realsoft V6.

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Re: comic style and rendering question

[Frank Brübach]

dear realsoft friends, many thanks to all here :-) wow! too ;-

superb ...for the prompt answer and help, I will load the file today or 
tomorrow and make some example files you will hear from me:-)))

- at andrew, great stuff!!! have had a short look at it, such things I am 
lookin for! :-D

best wishes, comic style is very cool, but I am thinking it`s not rendering 
friendly, isn`t it?

so long, servus from germany with sun heat, Frank Brübach, Westerburgstr. 3, 
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WOW! That pencil sketch shader rocks!! and the pro-toon shader too!
Thnkas for sharing, andrew!
-- 
Jan Schmitz
Im Hahn 22
59846 Sundern
http://janschmitz.com

2008/7/4 Andrew Berge [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi Frank,

 I have looked through my shaders and have found a few examples of 
toon shaders and also a pencil sketch shader, these were all done by 
various people on the list at one time, I have included all the 
examples and documentation that I can find, hope this is useful.

Andrew

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Re: qt: contest - marble statue

[Frank Brübach]

Hi dear Jan, all other realsoft friends, to you: first of all: great work with 
your marble scene, I like it very much... :-) see also my words at the new 
rs-forum...

my question... o.k.: can you say (or anybody else...) if it`s possible to make 
such scenes for the current contest photorealism? 

- I know, I am too late, but perhaps I can still manage it... best regards, see 
you, Frank


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Gesendet: 25.06.08 11:02:07
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: marble statue

Okay, thanks a lot for your helpful suggestions!
Thanks!

Jan

2008/6/24 Arjo Rozendaal [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

Hi Jan,

Well done! The head looks very good.
The hair displacement works very good too!
To improve maybe:
The speculars on the beard look a bit like plastic. I think marble 
has a bit less sharp speculars.
Eyelids would be a good detail.
The ivy looks a bit over saturated (bright green).

Arjo.

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 Very beautiful, Jan!

 I love the 'toolmarks' on the hair, the ivy, the depth of field, the
 detail in the lighting, the image glow. I think Zaug is right about 
the
 lack of neck.

 Nice work!

 Chris

 From: Jan Schmitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Hi,
 
 I want to show you my final image for the photorealism contest. I
 uploaded it in the forum, but there is just one comment and a very 
low
 count of views. please take a look at it and give me some hints or
 critics!
 
 you can find it here:
 http://rs-forum.the-final.com/viewtopic.php?f=6t=1079
 
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Re: ps: switch the light on! :-) metaballs, ice, water scene

[Frank Brübach]

dear realsoft user, some corrections added here:

...sorry I have forgotten to switch the light on:-) therefore the last scene 
was too dark ;-)

Now the rendering times increase to over 30 minutes... the problem: metaballs 
spheres needs these power to render + gi rendering. 

A new vsl shader (right sphere) mixed with other ones...

bye, best wishes with realsoft, Frankolino, nice day and perhaps somebody can 
use some hints and advices here


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Von: Frank Brübach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: 25.06.08 09:59:21
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: switch the light on! :-) metaballs, ice, water scene

...sorry I have forgotten to switch the light on:-) therefore the last scene 
was to dark ;-)

Now the rendering times increase to over 30 minutes... gi rendering and a new 
vsl shader (right sphere)...

bye, Frankolino

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Von: Frank Brübach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: 24.06.08 12:37:05
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: metaballs, ice, water scene:-)

...Here the last one: Metaballs, water, ice scene:-) rendered on my old 
laptop...

... so here we are again, but I am closing now this chapter because of time 
black holes:-)

the rendering times of this scene takes ca. 12:35 minutes, quality over speed 
rendering with recursion 6... imagesize 640x480, GI rendering on, only three 
textures (vsl, mixed and common materials) and of course only one 
lightsource...

I have included some metaballs, taken from a realsoft folder as example, very 
interesting stuff! :-) sky material and own ground creation.

best regards, happy renderings, ciao and servus, Frankolino


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Von: Frank Brübach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: 10.06.08 20:13:13
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: qt: blur for material + refraction + last little scene with 
glas/ice texture   :-)

O.K - I have found in the manual a little example for blur effect, I have 
understand it so far... 
but this example with blur_on in the post image effect tab (select window) 
was made for an geometric object, isn't it? - Kind regards, Frank
 

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Von: Frank Brübach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: 10.06.08 19:56:39
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: qt: blur for material + refraction + last little scene with 
glas/ice texture   :-)

Wow! :-) good infos, thanks a lot mark! I can use it, I am sure! :-D

question 2: Can I use the blur effect selective for a material/texture, not for 
the whole scene? I am curious...

Bye, see you, Frank

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Gesendet: 10.06.08 16:22:44
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: qt: refraction + last little scene with glas/ice texture   :-)

Hi Frank,

I wish VSL would use the more familiar Refraction Index instead of this 
'optical thickness'.

Conversion:
Refraction Index = 1 / (1-optical thickness) or
optical thickness = 1 - 1/refraction index

I found a table with refraction index values for several substances (for 
yellow light):

fluorite: index 1.43  -  thickness 0.3
canada balsam:  1.53  -0.346
salt1.54  -0.351
diamond2.42  -0.587
flint glass (light)  1.51  -0.338
flint glass (heavy)   1.65  -0.394
crown glass (light)  1.51  -0.338
crown glass (heavy)   1.61  -0.379
ice 1.31 -0.237
water 1.33  -   0.248

So, your values are OK.

However, in the test scene I found that there was no total reflection in the 
prism with values around 0.33, so I just increased optical thickness until I 
got it. Never mind theory, it's the picture that counts ;)

Your ice is looking very nice, procedural bump mapping?

good luck,
-Mark



---
My current question: theme refraction: Optical thickness for a) glass is 
0.33, for b) water 0.25 and c) ice 0.236? It's right?
A new picture I have added here... rendering times over 24:35 minutes... 
uargh :-D

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Re: metaballs, ice, water scene:-)

[Frank Brübach]

...Here the last one: Metaballs, water, ice scene:-) rendered on my old 
laptop...

... so here we are again, but I am closing now this chapter because of time 
black holes:-)

the rendering times of this scene takes ca. 12:35 minutes, quality over speed 
rendering with recursion 6... imagesize 640x480, GI rendering on, only three 
textures (vsl, mixed and common materials) and of course only one 
lightsource...

I have included some metaballs, taken from a realsoft folder as example, very 
interesting stuff! :-) sky material and own ground creation.

best regards, happy renderings, ciao and servus, Frankolino


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Von: Frank Brübach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: 10.06.08 20:13:13
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: qt: blur for material + refraction + last little scene with 
glas/ice texture   :-)

O.K - I have found in the manual a little example for blur effect, I have 
understand it so far... 
but this example with blur_on in the post image effect tab (select window) 
was made for an geometric object, isn't it? - Kind regards, Frank
 

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Frank Brübach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: 10.06.08 19:56:39
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: qt: blur for material + refraction + last little scene with 
glas/ice texture   :-)

Wow! :-) good infos, thanks a lot mark! I can use it, I am sure! :-D

question 2: Can I use the blur effect selective for a material/texture, not for 
the whole scene? I am curious...

Bye, see you, Frank

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Gesendet: 10.06.08 16:22:44
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: qt: refraction + last little scene with glas/ice texture   :-)

Hi Frank,

I wish VSL would use the more familiar Refraction Index instead of this 
'optical thickness'.

Conversion:
Refraction Index = 1 / (1-optical thickness) or
optical thickness = 1 - 1/refraction index

I found a table with refraction index values for several substances (for 
yellow light):

fluorite: index 1.43  -  thickness 0.3
canada balsam:  1.53  -0.346
salt1.54  -0.351
diamond2.42  -0.587
flint glass (light)  1.51  -0.338
flint glass (heavy)   1.65  -0.394
crown glass (light)  1.51  -0.338
crown glass (heavy)   1.61  -0.379
ice 1.31 -0.237
water 1.33  -   0.248

So, your values are OK.

However, in the test scene I found that there was no total reflection in the 
prism with values around 0.33, so I just increased optical thickness until I 
got it. Never mind theory, it's the picture that counts ;)

Your ice is looking very nice, procedural bump mapping?

good luck,
-Mark



---
My current question: theme refraction: Optical thickness for a) glass is 
0.33, for b) water 0.25 and c) ice 0.236? It's right?
A new picture I have added here... rendering times over 24:35 minutes... 
uargh :-D

best wishes, good renderings, Frank






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Re: qt: refraction + last little scene with glas/ice texture :-)

[Frank Brübach]

Hi dear cm:-)

Yes, in this scene I have worked without any background. I didn't have 
exercised to make blur or distortion, but it will comes ;-)

My current question: theme refraction: Optical thickness for a) glass is 
0.33, for b) water 0.25 and c) ice 0.236? It's right?
A new picture I have added here... rendering times over 24:35 minutes... uargh 
:-D

best wishes, good renderings, Frank


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Betreff: Re: last little scene with glas/ice texture :-)

One thing that is important with glass and ice scenes is to have 
something in the background to show through (blurred/ distorted). It 
helps the reading of the ice.  The easier thing to do is blur the ice 
area in post processing.

cm

Frank Brübach wrote:
 Hi Mark, thank you a lot for your v5 scene, I like this one! :-D 

 - here my last picture... I have created some minutes ago...

 I will check your glas/water material as soon as I can :-)  and make my 
 critics, if you want... 

 good luck: your v5 file I can open this time... bad that it's impossible to 
 save the v6 realsoft files (like word files e.g.) as v5 file or older 
 versions... 

 I will try to create a water texture next time, then I will upload it here :-)

 bye, have a nice evening, good renderings, Frank


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Re: qt: blur for material + refraction + last little s cene with glas/ice texture :-)

[Frank Brübach]

Wow! :-) good infos, thanks a lot mark! I can use it, I am sure! :-D

question 2: Can I use the blur effect selective for a material/texture, not for 
the whole scene? I am curious...

Bye, see you, Frank

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Von: Mark Heuymans [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: 10.06.08 16:22:44
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: qt: refraction + last little scene with glas/ice texture   :-)

Hi Frank,

I wish VSL would use the more familiar Refraction Index instead of this 
'optical thickness'.

Conversion:
Refraction Index = 1 / (1-optical thickness) or
optical thickness = 1 - 1/refraction index

I found a table with refraction index values for several substances (for 
yellow light):

fluorite: index 1.43  -  thickness 0.3
canada balsam:  1.53  -0.346
salt1.54  -0.351
diamond2.42  -0.587
flint glass (light)  1.51  -0.338
flint glass (heavy)   1.65  -0.394
crown glass (light)  1.51  -0.338
crown glass (heavy)   1.61  -0.379
ice 1.31 -0.237
water 1.33  -   0.248

So, your values are OK.

However, in the test scene I found that there was no total reflection in the 
prism with values around 0.33, so I just increased optical thickness until I 
got it. Never mind theory, it's the picture that counts ;)

Your ice is looking very nice, procedural bump mapping?

good luck,
-Mark



---
My current question: theme refraction: Optical thickness for a) glass is 
0.33, for b) water 0.25 and c) ice 0.236? It's right?
A new picture I have added here... rendering times over 24:35 minutes... 
uargh :-D

best wishes, good renderings, Frank






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Re: last little scene with glas/ice texture :-)

[Frank Brübach]

Hi Mark, thank you a lot for your v5 scene, I like this one! :-D 

- here my last picture... I have created some minutes ago...

I will check your glas/water material as soon as I can :-)  and make my 
critics, if you want... 

good luck: your v5 file I can open this time... bad that it's impossible to 
save the v6 realsoft files (like word files e.g.) as v5 file or older 
versions... 

I will try to create a water texture next time, then I will upload it here :-)

bye, have a nice evening, good renderings, Frank


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Re: last little scene with glas/ice texture :-)

[Frank Brübach]

dear mark, oh yes, wonderful, I am curious how to build new vsl shader, cause 
of the learning curve myself! ;-) thanks for the tipps and your critics...

you said channel ray*normal to Reflection directly with a 
Curve object, with horizontal range (ray*normal: the angle between camera 
and surface) from -1 to 1... 

o.k.:-))) how to you build this one? If you have an exercise, please upload it 
here! - My glass/Ice shaders are not perfect, it's a time spending work, but 
the various ways (often complex and not so easy to handle) to the right shaders 
are be worth it!  
I am looking for the right look for my ice cube or soft ice pot!

best regards, have a nice day, see you, Frank Brübach


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Von: Mark Heuymans [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: 04.06.08 00:21:59
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: last little scene with glas/ice texture :-)


hello again, dear realsoft friends: a little new picture with ice/glass 
textures... I will build now a bigger scene with various vsl shaders and 
nurbs objects, perhaps I can create an icecream pot :-)

added picture: ... rendering times: 3:56, image size 640x480, recursion 
depth 4, two different ice shader, glass-textures, mirror texture, having 
built this scene with only one ligth source! ;-) and some nurbs objects.

So long, have a nice time here, good realsoft renderings, see you, 
frankolino and I will make a time limited break

ps: what about this forum? Why it's so calm here




Hi Frank,

The ice is getting better and better!
I finally have some time again to pick up fun 3d stuff like this, just 
finished a few hectic weeks of commercial architectural projects...

I remember some talk about Fresnel-shaders... maybe here's an alternative.
A bit of VSL: I usually map channel ray*normal to Reflection directly with a 
Curve object, with horizontal range (ray*normal: the angle between camera 
and surface) from -1 to 1. This way, you don't need the Abs Value and other 
calculations. I even found a table with real angle/reflection values for 
water in an old book (Minnaert, De Natuurkunde van 't vrije veld).

More to follow, I'll upload some shaders if you want.

Cheers,
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Re: last little scene with glas/ice texture :-)

[Frank Brübach]

dear mark, short interrupt... ps: do you have the example as a realsoft v5 
file? (damned, just working with v5, sorry)...

no, it's a good idea to work with the negative values to reflect the ray... I 
will check it if I can open your file:-)

see you, best regards, Frank

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Gesendet: 04.06.08 21:20:37
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: last little scene with glas/ice texture :-)



dear mark, oh yes, wonderful, I am curious how to build new vsl shader, 
cause of the learning curve myself! ;-) thanks for the tipps and your 
critics...

you said channel ray*normal to Reflection directly with a
Curve object, with horizontal range (ray*normal: the angle between camera
and surface) from -1 to 1...

o.k.:-))) how to you build this one? If you have an exercise, please upload 
it here! - My glass/Ice shaders are not perfect, it's a time spending work, 
but the various ways (often complex and not so easy to handle) to the right 
shaders are be worth it!
I am looking for the right look for my ice cube or soft ice pot!

best regards, have a nice day, see you, Frank Brübach



Hi Frank,

I attached a test project with the alternative fresnel glass.

The key is the curve. At Ray*normal = 0, you're looking straight at the 
surface, at -1 you look along the surface. At those shearing angles, glass 
(and most smooth surfaces) behaves almost like a mirror! The negative (left) 
side of the curve represents rays entering the glass, the positive side is 
where the rays leave the glass. (correct me if I'm wrong...)


In the project I added a prism to check the renderer's handling of total 
internal reflection, had to increase optical thickness to get it right. For 
ice and water, I think you should use a lower value, like 0.33.

Hope this helps a bit!

-Mark


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Re: tipp: last little scene with glas/ice texture :-)

[Frank Brübach]

my little tipp: 

... try to use this: VSL Editor: Secondary ray (shader type): 
Illumination+=Constant(0.447, 0569, 0.663) the color you wish...

I have choosed refraction 0.41, thick color( 0,29 0,60 0,71) - blue tone kind, 
thin color (1,1,1) - white...

good night:-), bye, Frank

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Von: Mark Heuymans [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: 04.06.08 21:20:37
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: last little scene with glas/ice texture :-)



dear mark, oh yes, wonderful, I am curious how to build new vsl shader, 
cause of the learning curve myself! ;-) thanks for the tipps and your 
critics...

you said channel ray*normal to Reflection directly with a
Curve object, with horizontal range (ray*normal: the angle between camera
and surface) from -1 to 1...

o.k.:-))) how to you build this one? If you have an exercise, please upload 
it here! - My glass/Ice shaders are not perfect, it's a time spending work, 
but the various ways (often complex and not so easy to handle) to the right 
shaders are be worth it!
I am looking for the right look for my ice cube or soft ice pot!

best regards, have a nice day, see you, Frank Brübach



Hi Frank,

I attached a test project with the alternative fresnel glass.

The key is the curve. At Ray*normal = 0, you're looking straight at the 
surface, at -1 you look along the surface. At those shearing angles, glass 
(and most smooth surfaces) behaves almost like a mirror! The negative (left) 
side of the curve represents rays entering the glass, the positive side is 
where the rays leave the glass. (correct me if I'm wrong...)


In the project I added a prism to check the renderer's handling of total 
internal reflection, had to increase optical thickness to get it right. For 
ice and water, I think you should use a lower value, like 0.33.

Hope this helps a bit!

-Mark


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qt: how to avoid double glassy textures shining?

[Frank Brübach]

dear rs friends:-) how can I avoid the double through shining (don't know the 
right word in english, sorry) of glassy textures? I mean my both cylinder 
objects right side in my scene... I have attached it... best regards, frank
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Re: picture I have forgotten... :-)

[Frank Brübach]

Dear neil:-) thank you! good advice. - how to do that?: you have said: 
increase the recursion 
level of your render to stop the glass/glass turning dark... Perhaps I haven't 
looked at it...
 
the other side you are right it might be a specularity problem and I have to 
finetuning it for my glass textures... I built some new vsl textures with glass 
to become some day an ice structure... I will solve the glass/glass problem 
and send it to here :-) this area of vsl and glassy textures are new for me, 
but I see the possibilities and I like glass, gold, chrome and such shining 
materials... servus, bye, Frank 

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Gesendet: 15.05.08 18:34:57
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: picture I have forgotten... :-)

I'm sure you have tried this but just in case ... increase the recursion 
level of your render to stop the glass/glass turning dark. Tweak the 
specularity of the glass material in VSL editor to get the degree of 
sharpness and specular brightness you prefer.

Neil Cooke


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From: Frank Brübach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 4:30 AM
Subject: RE: picture I have forgotten... :-)


dear robert, cylinders are not hollow... ;-) I have done some exercises with 
glassy textures (vsl and stand rs original textures). - I have used for this 
scene two textures: brushing and glass but I have seen the different when I 
have included a sphere behind it... two textures becomes for me dark 
reflected (glassy structures) and perhaps it's quite normal...

but glass with glass becomes dark section they crossing each other...
I will make more exercises with glassy textures and objects so I can find 
out where is my visual problem of the objects...

sometimes the objects shining nearly invisible sometimes only the back 
object lying behind the first object with glassy structures... must laugh... 
:-) not so easy to understand...

best wishes, Frank

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Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Gesendet: 15.05.08 18:08:36
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: RE: picture I have forgotten... :-)

Have you tried to make the cylinders hollow? That would definitely reduce
the effect.

Beste gruesse,
Robert

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Frank Brübach
Verzonden: donderdag 15 mei 2008 18:05
Aan: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Onderwerp: picture I have forgotten... :-)

dear rs friends:-) how can I avoid the double through shining (don't know
the right word in english, sorry) of glassy textures? I mean my both
cylinder objects right side in my scene... I have attached it... best
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Re: picture I have forgotten... :-)

[Frank Brübach]

Hey Neil:-) great! Such problems solve it very fast... yes, of course, I have 
found it... I am blind, some times:-))), 
I will change my glass textures as soon as I can, my dog is calling after me 
:-) , see you, Frank, best thanks for the tipp!

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Gesendet: 15.05.08 18:58:46
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: picture I have forgotten... :-)

Rendering settings are easy enough  see JPG attached.

Activate Preview in VSL Editor to show results when tweaking the 
specularity function.

Neil Cooke

- Original Message - 
From: Frank Brübach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 4:41 AM
Subject: Re: picture I have forgotten... :-)


 Dear neil:-) thank you! good advice. - how to do that?: you have said: 
 increase the recursion
 level of your render to stop the glass/glass turning dark... Perhaps I 
 haven't looked at it...

 the other side you are right it might be a specularity problem and I 
 have to finetuning it for my glass textures... I built some new vsl 
 textures with glass to become some day an ice structure... I will solve 
 the glass/glass problem and send it to here :-) this area of vsl and 
 glassy textures are new for me, but I see the possibilities and I like 
 glass, gold, chrome and such shining materials... servus, bye, Frank

 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
 Gesendet: 15.05.08 18:34:57
 An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
 Betreff: Re: picture I have forgotten... :-)

 I'm sure you have tried this but just in case ... increase the recursion
 level of your render to stop the glass/glass turning dark. Tweak the
 specularity of the glass material in VSL editor to get the degree of
 sharpness and specular brightness you prefer.

 Neil Cooke


 - Original Message - 
 From: Frank Brübach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
 Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 4:30 AM
 Subject: RE: picture I have forgotten... :-)


 dear robert, cylinders are not hollow... ;-) I have done some exercises 
 with
 glassy textures (vsl and stand rs original textures). - I have used for 
 this
 scene two textures: brushing and glass but I have seen the different when 
 I
 have included a sphere behind it... two textures becomes for me dark
 reflected (glassy structures) and perhaps it's quite normal...

 but glass with glass becomes dark section they crossing each other...
 I will make more exercises with glassy textures and objects so I can find
 out where is my visual problem of the objects...

 sometimes the objects shining nearly invisible sometimes only the back
 object lying behind the first object with glassy structures... must 
 laugh...
 :-) not so easy to understand...

 best wishes, Frank

 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
 Gesendet: 15.05.08 18:08:36
 An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
 Betreff: RE: picture I have forgotten... :-)

 Have you tried to make the cylinders hollow? That would definitely reduce
 the effect.

 Beste gruesse,
 Robert

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 Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Frank Brübach
 Verzonden: donderdag 15 mei 2008 18:05
 Aan: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
 Onderwerp: picture I have forgotten... :-)

 dear rs friends:-) how can I avoid the double through shining (don't know
 the right word in english, sorry) of glassy textures? I mean my both
 cylinder objects right side in my scene... I have attached it... best
 regards, frank
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RE: rendering times! + picture I have forgotten... :-)

[Frank Brübach]

dear robert, dear neil and all others:-) 
short answer: the rendering times increases with recursion depth level 6 to 
10:12 minutes (2:03 min before) for my scene... damned;-) but a good result for 
the rendering picture, I love it... have a nice evening, Frank

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Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Gesendet: 15.05.08 18:42:14
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: RE: picture I have forgotten... :-)

OK, if you not want the cylinders hollow, then increase the recursion depth
in the render setting properties. Try a value of 5 or 6. Remember that
increasing the recursion depth increases render times. 

Robert

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Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Frank Brübach
Verzonden: donderdag 15 mei 2008 18:31
Aan: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Onderwerp: RE: picture I have forgotten... :-)

dear robert, cylinders are not hollow... ;-) I have done some exercises with
glassy textures (vsl and stand rs original textures). - I have used for this
scene two textures: brushing and glass but I have seen the different when I
have included a sphere behind it... two textures becomes for me dark
reflected (glassy structures) and perhaps it's quite normal... 

but glass with glass becomes dark section they crossing each other... 
I will make more exercises with glassy textures and objects so I can find
out where is my visual problem of the objects... 

sometimes the objects shining nearly invisible sometimes only the back
object lying behind the first object with glassy structures... must laugh...
:-) not so easy to understand...

best wishes, Frank  

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Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Gesendet: 15.05.08 18:08:36
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: RE: picture I have forgotten... :-)

Have you tried to make the cylinders hollow? That would definitely reduce
the effect.

Beste gruesse,
Robert

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Frank Brübach
Verzonden: donderdag 15 mei 2008 18:05
Aan: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Onderwerp: picture I have forgotten... :-)

dear rs friends:-) how can I avoid the double through shining (don't know
the right word in english, sorry) of glassy textures? I mean my both
cylinder objects right side in my scene... I have attached it... best
regards, frank
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Rendering Times...

[Frank Brübach]

push it again... short input nearly for 4 or 5 pence? (must laugh!): 

- I have build some test scenes with different materials and some new vsl 
textures In my eyes the rendering times are not very different, when you 
are mixing different materials on xobjects from the material editor (by drag  
drop)... the other side to build complex vsl structures for objects, they 
concluding all material properties...

my renderingtimes of my little test scenes have only a different of a half 
minute (2:35 to 3:05 minutes)...

attach the picture...

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service pack 1 release appears? :-)

[Frank Brübach]

dear rs friends, a short question: the service pack 1 of rs 3d V6 does appears 
end of this month (april) or the next one? :-) because I have got some strange 
problems with the rs 5.1 version (SP4) during my last weekly works with 
realsoft renderings and javascript buildings I would like to work with a stabil 
version 6:-) with full functionally power:-D

best regards, good luck for finding all silly bugs, bye, Frank Brübach  

by the way: this forum is still alive ?
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Re: question about my vsl shader :-) rs-forum.the-final.com !

[Frank Brübach]

Hello again... first of all: See the good work!!! 
http://rs-forum.the-final.com: GOOD LOOKING FORUM and GREAT WORK TO MATTHIAS 
and BORIS! :-) to change the realsoft 3ddart.org forum. Hope this site cannot 
cracked by spam mail and crazy people, they are trying to damage this important 
realsoft forum. - 

- Next little picture of my little work in progress... glass and watertextures 
with vsl and perhaps some day ice too:-)
The rendering times crease to 4:02 min., four different vsl textures, but the 
aim should be to get it into one vsl texture, if possible...

Question 1) the rendering times will reduce handling with only one vsl 
texture combining all properties?

Question 2) the vsl wizard shows only color, transparency, bump map and 
so on... Why it isn't possible to get all properties in the vsl wizard of the 
objects? Perhaps a tree structure will make sense! ? ;-)

- So you can find perhaps optical thickness and refraction and perhaps 
make new entries for the object properties ?

bye, frankolino, servus and sunny springtime has began here in germany :-D


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Gesendet: 17.04.08 18:39:56
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: first ice-water-picture and open question for an ice shader 
cooperation:-)

I have forgotten: the first picture with ice-water-effects as attachment, 
very simple vsl, o.k.:-) I have combined two textures, but the effect ist good! 
only the rendering times are increasing (bad!);-)  bye, servus, Frank Brübach


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Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Gesendet: 17.04.08 18:08:23
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: open question for an ice shader cooperation:-)

Hi Timo :-) Every help is welcome:-)))  I invite you:-D

Yes, it will be a strong work to get a good ice shader or similar water-ice 
products. 

- I have some ideas for the roughness, bumpmap, perhaps even fog and noise... 
the problem is only for me to understand this complex possibilities for a good 
looking ice shader with e.g. air bubbles (your advice is good!) or something 
with fresnel, scratches and bump map things and so on... 

- I have started with the glass material... (matt glass), after that I will 
manage a special look for roughness and cold-freezing roughness... I will 
have a certain look to the examples from the rs folder (vsl or material)...
 
- creating such vsl things and learn with the shader language, for me it's not 
so easy to handle with the vsl stuff (yes, very amazing!) but the vsl power is 
damned great, the input/output channels are really wide spread;-) must laugh...
  
yes, If you have some ideas, bring it to the forum :-) I am working forword 
tomorrow with the vsl shader and bring the next results here... best regards, 
servus, Frank

ice-shader made of this: color, transparency, refraction, fresnel, fog, 
bumpmap/ noise... 

good evening:-)

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Gesendet: 17.04.08 14:10:27
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: open question for an ice shader cooperation:-)

A good start on all shaders is to think what the qualities of the
material are (i.e. what makes ice look like ice). The glass-like parts
are easy enough, you can pretty much just use a glass shader as a base
(with a tweaked color and optical thickness). The harder parts are the
surface features and air bubbles inside the ice. The surface features
can either be modeled or done with some creative bumpmapping (there's
some bump materials in the startup project that fit the bill). The air
bubbles are harder though: you can either model them or just cheat and
add a high frequency noise to the bump.
I'll see if I can give you some pointers once I get home.

On 15/04/2008, Frank Brübach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dear RS friends, an open question:-)

  Perhaps somebody has fun to build with me an ice shader with the vsl 
 editor... I have started with a simple glas textur (from the rs manual, vsl 
 chapter), I have attached the example as a rar file above...

  would be very nice to work with other realsoft guys to learn with the vsl 
 editor and get some interesting new vsl shader for ice, water and so on... 

  servus, best regards, Frankolino

  ...I have such things in mind: Refraction, Relief (Bump Map), Refraction, 
 Fresnel and more...
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Re: open question for an ice shader cooperation:-)

[Frank Brübach]

Hi Timo :-) Every help is welcome:-)))  I invite you:-D

Yes, it will be a strong work to get a good ice shader or similar water-ice 
products. 

- I have some ideas for the roughness, bumpmap, perhaps even fog and noise... 
the problem is only for me to understand this complex possibilities for a good 
looking ice shader with e.g. air bubbles (your advice is good!) or something 
with fresnel, scratches and bump map things and so on... 

- I have started with the glass material... (matt glass), after that I will 
manage a special look for roughness and cold-freezing roughness... I will 
have a certain look to the examples from the rs folder (vsl or material)...
 
- creating such vsl things and learn with the shader language, for me it's not 
so easy to handle with the vsl stuff (yes, very amazing!) but the vsl power is 
damned great, the input/output channels are really wide spread;-) must laugh...
  
yes, If you have some ideas, bring it to the forum :-) I am working forword 
tomorrow with the vsl shader and bring the next results here... best regards, 
servus, Frank

ice-shader made of this: color, transparency, refraction, fresnel, fog, 
bumpmap/ noise... 

good evening:-)

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Gesendet: 17.04.08 14:10:27
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: open question for an ice shader cooperation:-)

A good start on all shaders is to think what the qualities of the
material are (i.e. what makes ice look like ice). The glass-like parts
are easy enough, you can pretty much just use a glass shader as a base
(with a tweaked color and optical thickness). The harder parts are the
surface features and air bubbles inside the ice. The surface features
can either be modeled or done with some creative bumpmapping (there's
some bump materials in the startup project that fit the bill). The air
bubbles are harder though: you can either model them or just cheat and
add a high frequency noise to the bump.
I'll see if I can give you some pointers once I get home.

On 15/04/2008, Frank Brübach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dear RS friends, an open question:-)

  Perhaps somebody has fun to build with me an ice shader with the vsl 
 editor... I have started with a simple glas textur (from the rs manual, vsl 
 chapter), I have attached the example as a rar file above...

  would be very nice to work with other realsoft guys to learn with the vsl 
 editor and get some interesting new vsl shader for ice, water and so on... 

  servus, best regards, Frankolino

  ...I have such things in mind: Refraction, Relief (Bump Map), Refraction, 
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Re: first ice-water-picture and open question for an ice shader cooperation:-)

[Frank Brübach]

I have forgotten: the first picture with ice-water-effects as attachment, 
very simple vsl, o.k.:-) I have combined two textures, but the effect ist good! 
only the rendering times are increasing (bad!);-)  bye, servus, Frank Brübach


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Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Gesendet: 17.04.08 18:08:23
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: open question for an ice shader cooperation:-)

Hi Timo :-) Every help is welcome:-)))  I invite you:-D

Yes, it will be a strong work to get a good ice shader or similar water-ice 
products. 

- I have some ideas for the roughness, bumpmap, perhaps even fog and noise... 
the problem is only for me to understand this complex possibilities for a good 
looking ice shader with e.g. air bubbles (your advice is good!) or something 
with fresnel, scratches and bump map things and so on... 

- I have started with the glass material... (matt glass), after that I will 
manage a special look for roughness and cold-freezing roughness... I will 
have a certain look to the examples from the rs folder (vsl or material)...
 
- creating such vsl things and learn with the shader language, for me it's not 
so easy to handle with the vsl stuff (yes, very amazing!) but the vsl power is 
damned great, the input/output channels are really wide spread;-) must laugh...
  
yes, If you have some ideas, bring it to the forum :-) I am working forword 
tomorrow with the vsl shader and bring the next results here... best regards, 
servus, Frank

ice-shader made of this: color, transparency, refraction, fresnel, fog, 
bumpmap/ noise... 

good evening:-)

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Gesendet: 17.04.08 14:10:27
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: open question for an ice shader cooperation:-)

A good start on all shaders is to think what the qualities of the
material are (i.e. what makes ice look like ice). The glass-like parts
are easy enough, you can pretty much just use a glass shader as a base
(with a tweaked color and optical thickness). The harder parts are the
surface features and air bubbles inside the ice. The surface features
can either be modeled or done with some creative bumpmapping (there's
some bump materials in the startup project that fit the bill). The air
bubbles are harder though: you can either model them or just cheat and
add a high frequency noise to the bump.
I'll see if I can give you some pointers once I get home.

On 15/04/2008, Frank Brübach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dear RS friends, an open question:-)

  Perhaps somebody has fun to build with me an ice shader with the vsl 
 editor... I have started with a simple glas textur (from the rs manual, vsl 
 chapter), I have attached the example as a rar file above...

  would be very nice to work with other realsoft guys to learn with the vsl 
 editor and get some interesting new vsl shader for ice, water and so on... 

  servus, best regards, Frankolino

  ...I have such things in mind: Refraction, Relief (Bump Map), Refraction, 
 Fresnel and more...
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RE: contest site down

[Frank Brübach]

Hi Boris, good luck and hope you can get rid of these damned attacks:-) Kopf 
hoch! - Your 3ddart website is one of the most important marketing tools for 
realsoft 3d advertising and all rs users! best wishes to fetch all lost 
content, servus, Frank Brübach
  

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An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: RE: contest site down


Sad news Boris.
Hope you can bring something back online soon! 

Best regards, Robert

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens mailinglist
Verzonden: maandag 14 april 2008 21:11
Aan: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Onderwerp: contest site down

Hi,
very bad news for all Realsoft 3D Image Contest and Forum users. Today my 
provider closed all my websites because they were steadily hacked from 
www.3ddart.org . I got daily about 10 mails from the postnuke system that 
there were attacks www.3ddart.org but there were no patches for the forum 
system (pnphpbb2) which seemed to be the worst concerning security. This is 
now the end of the contest site at least postnuke based. I don't know where 
to take the time to build up something new atm. When the I got my access 
back I'll upload a homepage telling that it's gone. At least I'll install a 
new gallery system at the following weekend hopefully.
Sorry ... don't know what to write else. I'm very sad :°(

Boris 





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open question for an ice shader cooperation:-)

[Frank Brübach]

Dear RS friends, an open question:-)

Perhaps somebody has fun to build with me an ice shader with the vsl 
editor... I have started with a simple glas textur (from the rs manual, vsl 
chapter), I have attached the example as a rar file above...

would be very nice to work with other realsoft guys to learn with the vsl 
editor and get some interesting new vsl shader for ice, water and so on... 

servus, best regards, Frankolino

...I have such things in mind: Refraction, Relief (Bump Map), Refraction, 
Fresnel and more...
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Re: VSL Glass Shader :-) / QT about VSL and Iceshader :-)

[Frank Brübach]

Hi Neil:-) Thanks for your friendly fresnel metal shader... must laugh, I have 
got it too in my materials;-) My question aimed into an other direction to 
build a own vsl shader and that was my mistake, sorry, I will find these 
entries I need in the VSL editor, I am sure, so I have build my first glass 
shader from zero knowledge;-) It's not perfect, but I can make it better for 
the future... 

I have created an own glass shader and studied the vsl manual to build it... I 
was only too lazy to create a new one... I will build an Ice shader, thats 
sure! :-))) Perhaps somebody will help? It would be very nice, best regards, 
have a good sunday, Frank


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Gesendet: 12.04.08 22:56:22
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: QT about VSL and Iceshader :-)


Hi Frank

. maybe this can help

Neil Cooke


- Original Message - 
From: Frank Brübach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 8:37 AM
Subject: QT about VSL and Iceshader :-)


 Dear RS friends, where can I find the settings for for Brightness 
 (Helligkeit), Refraction (Brechung) and Fresnel in the vsl editor?

 I need for an ice shader more than this: Relief, Turbulence and so on...
 - When I open the popup window for color (wizard) and search for other 
 entries I cannot find Relief, Turbulence, Refraction, Fresnel, Brightness 
 and such things...

 Hmh, I am just starting with a new ice vsl shader, perhaps I don't know 
 enough about it. It doesn't matter I am thinking, I will create such a 
 shader :-) perhaps somebody can help.. would be nice, best wishes, Frank
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GI testrenderings :-)

[Frank Brübach]

I have done some GI Testrenderings (new stuff for me!) , one of these examples 
are here:-) 

The rendering times for GI Rendering with this little scene takes 2:04 minutes, 
with AO normal effects only 0:06 minutes. I wonder why but I am happy about 
that good result... 
more will come later, I am making some good experiences with it the last days, 
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Re: time wasting and money, ideas ;-) / sorry.. but w hat are fluids in realsoft ? :-)

[Frank Brübach]

Yes, dear Garry, you are right:-) 

It's often time wasting, but three years ago I have had more time to spend with 
realsoft 3d themes and I wanted to build with michael a full functionable hair 
and fur and grass tool, but after a time I have seen it would take a long, 
long to time (one year I am thinking) to build such a tool. We have started 
with the nurbshelper tool from a zero point without any help or other scripts 
they existed before... Who want to pay for a good tool??? Even I would pay for 
a good tool, because I have seen such efforts to build any big script or 
plugin... 

I am missing fluids or something else for a scene, became frustrating it 
doesn' work with basically instruments of realsoft, so I have stopped it, 
waiting for a good idea or any hint of other users (tim borgman has built such 
crazy fluids in his abstract series scenes!), but I have really a time 
problem at the moment to make more scripts or diving deeper in this 
material... - I am believing it's nearly everything possible with realsoft (I 
like this software!), but first of all you must have support with a good idea 
and then, I like to work in a team, not as a solo fighter, it's boring;-)

Yes, I have it in my mind to make a hair tool and perhaps it's possible to 
force the knowledge with other guys here:-) to build such a tool...
Kudas tool I didn't know, sorry... but he has a lot of good ideas, I know:-) 
Realsoft is my little hobby, not a full job! And after spending a break I have 
now two days a week to build something with it to become better and get more 
input for my brain:-)))

Have a nice day, here the rain becomes more and more, uargh... and I have a 
dog, running throuhg the mud over the meadows two times a day..:-D but it's 
necessary, I have a happy dog:-))) / beside that: rendering hairs and fur of 
animals are very interesting stuff, I am curious to see Carlos Plugin, it is 
surely a very intensive work he is doing with the dynatomic plugins and he need 
this time to make it better... But I see, I have not enough time to build any 
new scripts or a hair tool these weeks... sorry... 

bye, Frankolino :-D 

*Von:* user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
*Gesendet:* 02.04.08 22:03:39
*An:* USER-LIST@LIGHT.REALSOFT3D.COM
*Betreff:* Re: sorry.. but what are fluids in realsoft ? :-)


 Hi Carlo, yes, of course:-) I would like to build some fluids or simulations
 with Realsoft 3D. There was a simple animation scene Ihave built some weeks
 ago, where I wanted to make water or fluids in a bassin, splashing a sphere in
 it and so on... - Somebody has said it is not possible to build such things
 with the basic instrument of realsoft, but I didn't believe that:-)))

 best regards, Frank Brübach

Hi Frank :

So many things are possible , but the real question , is how much
time do you have to try and get it close , then to perfect it ?

They call it the Bleeding Edge for a reason .

Got time to waste ? How about writing some more cool
scripts ? We desperately need something that will do
hair and I think your Nurbs Helper Pro is practically
there already . No ?

Wasn't there a similiar thing from K-UDA that had collision
detection built into it ? Or did I see that somewhere else ?

Cheers

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Re: sorry.. but what are fluids in realsoft ? :-)

[Frank Brübach]

Hi Carlo, yes, of course:-) I would like to build some fluids or simulations 
with Realsoft 3D. There was a simple animation scene Ihave built some weeks 
ago, where I wanted to make water or fluids in a bassin, splashing a sphere in 
it and so on... - Somebody has said it is not possible to build such things 
with the basic instrument of realsoft, but I didn't believe that:-))) 

best regards, Frank Brübach 

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Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Gesendet: 02.04.08 11:05:52
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: sorry.. but what are fluids in realsoft ? :-)


Hi Frank,

Before I'll give you an answer:

Is your question Realsoft3D related? I mean, are you asking if 
Realsoft3D support fluid dynamic etc...?

Regards,

Carlo

 Hi Carlo, all realsoft friends...

 1) little question for my unsatisfied knowledge:-) What are fluids or 
 dynamic simulations? Geometric objects, waves (what are waves?), metaball 
 objects..., particles, gases... -  I don't know... how can I build fluids 
 for a vineglas eg???  

 best regards and good luck for your plugins, don't give up:-D 
 Ciao , Frankolino 

 2) I have found this: 

 From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
 Jump to: navigation, search 
 Continuum Mechanics 
 Conservation of mass 
 Conservation of momentum 
 Navier-Stokes equations 
 [show]Classical mechanics 
 Stress · Strain · Tensor 
 [show]Solid mechanics 
 Solids · Elasticity 

 Plasticity · Hooke's law 
 Rheology · Viscoelasticity 
 [show]Fluid mechanics 
 Fluids · Fluid statics 
 Fluid dynamics · Viscosity · Newtonian fluids 
 Non-Newtonian fluids 
 Surface tension 
 [show]Scientists 
 Newton · Stokes · Navier · Cauchy· Hooke · others 
 This box: view ￜ talk ￜ edit 

 3) Typical aerodynamic teardrop shape, showing the pressure distribution as 
 the thickness of the black line and showing the velocity in the boundary 
 layer as the violet triangles. The green vortex generators prompt the 
 transition to turbulent flow and prevent back-flow also called flow 
 separation from the high pressure region in the back. The surface in front is 
 as smooth as possible or even employ shark like skin, as any turbulence here 
 will reduce the energy of the airflow. The Kammback also prevents back flow 
 from the high pressure region in the back across the spoilers to the 
 convergent part. Putting stuff inside out results in tubes, they also face 
 the problem of flow separation in their divergent parts, so called diffusers. 
 Cutting the shape into halfs results in an aerofoil with the low pressure 
 region on top leading to lift (force). 

 Typical aerodynamic teardrop shape, showing the pressure distribution as the 
 thickness of the black line and showing the velocity in the boundary layer as 
 the violet triangles. The green vortex generators prompt the transition to 
 turbulent flow and prevent back-flow also called flow separation from the 
 high pressure region in the back. The surface in front is as smooth as 
 possible or even employ shark like skin, as any turbulence here will reduce 
 the energy of the airflow. The Kammback also prevents back flow from the high 
 pressure region in the back across the spoilers to the convergent part. 
 Putting stuff inside out results in tubes, they also face the problem of flow 
 separation in their divergent parts, so called diffusers. Cutting the shape 
 into halfs results in an aerofoil with the low pressure region on top leading 
 to lift (force). 

 Fluid dynamics is the sub-discipline of fluid mechanics dealing with fluids 
 (liquids and gases) in motion. It has several subdisciplines itself, 
 including aerodynamics (the study of gases in motion) and hydrodynamics (the 
 study of liquids in motion). Fluid dynamics has a wide range of applications, 
 including calculating forces and moments on aircraft, determining the mass 
 flow rate of petroleum through pipelines, predicting weather patterns, 
 understanding nebulae in interstellar space and reportedly modeling fission 
 weapon detonation. Some of its principles are even used in traffic 
 engineering, where traffic is treated as a continuous fluid. 

 Fluid dynamics offers a systematic structure that underlies these practical 
 disciplines and that embraces empirical and semi-empirical laws, derived from 
 flow measurement, used to solve practical problems. The solution of a fluid 
 dynamics problem typically involves calculation of various properties of the 
 fluid, such as velocity, pressure, density, and temperature, as functions of 
 space and time. 

 4) O.k., but how can I understand this one for Realsoft 3D?  

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sorry.. but what are fluids in realsoft ? :-)

[Frank Brübach]

Hi Carlo, all realsoft friends...

1) little question for my unsatisfied knowledge:-) What are fluids or 
dynamic simulations? Geometric objects, waves (what are waves?), metaball 
objects..., particles, gases... -  I don't know... how can I build fluids for 
a vineglas eg???  

best regards and good luck for your plugins, don't give up:-D 
Ciao , Frankolino 

2) I have found this: 

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
Jump to: navigation, search 
Continuum Mechanics 
Conservation of mass 
Conservation of momentum 
Navier-Stokes equations 
[show]Classical mechanics 
Stress · Strain · Tensor 
[show]Solid mechanics 
Solids · Elasticity 

Plasticity · Hooke's law 
Rheology · Viscoelasticity 
[show]Fluid mechanics 
Fluids · Fluid statics 
Fluid dynamics · Viscosity · Newtonian fluids 
Non-Newtonian fluids 
Surface tension 
[show]Scientists 
Newton · Stokes · Navier · Cauchy· Hooke · others 
This box: view • talk • edit 

3) Typical aerodynamic teardrop shape, showing the pressure distribution as the 
thickness of the black line and showing the velocity in the boundary layer as 
the violet triangles. The green vortex generators prompt the transition to 
turbulent flow and prevent back-flow also called flow separation from the high 
pressure region in the back. The surface in front is as smooth as possible or 
even employ shark like skin, as any turbulence here will reduce the energy of 
the airflow. The Kammback also prevents back flow from the high pressure region 
in the back across the spoilers to the convergent part. Putting stuff inside 
out results in tubes, they also face the problem of flow separation in their 
divergent parts, so called diffusers. Cutting the shape into halfs results in 
an aerofoil with the low pressure region on top leading to lift (force). 

Typical aerodynamic teardrop shape, showing the pressure distribution as the 
thickness of the black line and showing the velocity in the boundary layer as 
the violet triangles. The green vortex generators prompt the transition to 
turbulent flow and prevent back-flow also called flow separation from the high 
pressure region in the back. The surface in front is as smooth as possible or 
even employ shark like skin, as any turbulence here will reduce the energy of 
the airflow. The Kammback also prevents back flow from the high pressure region 
in the back across the spoilers to the convergent part. Putting stuff inside 
out results in tubes, they also face the problem of flow separation in their 
divergent parts, so called diffusers. Cutting the shape into halfs results in 
an aerofoil with the low pressure region on top leading to lift (force). 

Fluid dynamics is the sub-discipline of fluid mechanics dealing with fluids 
(liquids and gases) in motion. It has several subdisciplines itself, including 
aerodynamics (the study of gases in motion) and hydrodynamics (the study of 
liquids in motion). Fluid dynamics has a wide range of applications, including 
calculating forces and moments on aircraft, determining the mass flow rate of 
petroleum through pipelines, predicting weather patterns, understanding nebulae 
in interstellar space and reportedly modeling fission weapon detonation. Some 
of its principles are even used in traffic engineering, where traffic is 
treated as a continuous fluid. 

Fluid dynamics offers a systematic structure that underlies these practical 
disciplines and that embraces empirical and semi-empirical laws, derived from 
flow measurement, used to solve practical problems. The solution of a fluid 
dynamics problem typically involves calculation of various properties of the 
fluid, such as velocity, pressure, density, and temperature, as functions of 
space and time. 

4) O.k., but how can I understand this one for Realsoft 3D?  

best regards, Frank the secondo timo:-)
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Re: picture 2... :-D / thanks... two script questions :-)

[Frank Brübach]

Hi Kuda, very good idea:-) in this way I have looked to my problems... :-D 
Great! 

- but... little sorry, I have got some error messages, but I will see about it 
today or tomorrow... I have installed my rs V5.1 on the pc machine of my girl 
friend:-)... I will look after the both problems ( I have attached the 
pictures) the next days... 

It is very useful to get help in this way, I like it very much:- have a 
nice week end and see you back soon here... 

bye, bye, Frank

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Gesendet: 21.03.08 12:41:46
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: thanks... two script questions :-)


Hello Frank.
I add my script.
This script get the color of a selected object or set the color to a 
selected object.
I hope that this script helps you.
Best regards,
K-UDA

- Original Message - 
From: Frank Brubach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 4:03 AM
Subject: Re: thanks... two script questions :-)


Hi Kuda,

in a similiar way ok, that's my first little problem;-) color changing and 
updating or refreshing a scene by a script...

How can I refresh or update a script? for eg a colour slider for a cube... 
the colour for the cube should be green, after that blue by handling with 
the slider in the script... and I wish the script does it in a directly way 
by clicking or pushing an update button or something else... hmh... no 
idea... anybody else??

second: it's possible to get all xobjects in a kind of an container, 
function_container(), where I can put all my objects they should change by 
changing the sliders or click buttons or radio buttons ??? must laugh... 
no idea...

best regards, fishing in a dark see, frankolino:-)

-Urspr$B!(Bgliche Nachricht-
Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Gesendet: 19.03.08 00:33:07
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: thanks... two script questions :-)


Hello Frank.
I do not understand a meaning of interact.
Do you want to change attributes of the objects?
Which attribute do you want to change?
For example, do you want to change the color of the object?
Best regards,
K-UDA

- Original Message - 
From: Frank Brubach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 1:57 AM
Subject: Re: thanks... two script questions :-)


 Hi Matthias, thank you for little help :-) But I am looking for a script
 advice to interact between a script and a scene in a directly way... I
 will search in one of these strange understanding c++ book ;-)  I will
 look as soon as I can for constraints examples... may be it's useful I am
 sure. - Same to question 2... it's not so easy here in the forum, where
 one thousand people are missing using the script language of realsoft;-D

 The tool is really great and powerful, but there's missing a lot of user
 and more progressive advertising to get this new 3d user... I am thinking
 realsoft needs more user to get forward with the animation part and the
 scripting / plugin part...
 nevertheless I don't give up and learning more with realsoft step by
 step... best regards, Frank

 -Urspr$B!(Bgliche Nachricht-
 Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
 Gesendet: 16.03.08 22:48:02
 An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
 Betreff: Re: two script questions :-)


 To QT 1: Constraints :-? (Have a look in the samples-constraint)
 Or the hard way: Set a 0 frame play range and loop on, then press play.
 Hard way needs a load javascript, while scripting in external app ;-)

 To QT 2: No idea :-?

 Matthias


 - Original Message - 
 From: Frank Br$B!(Bach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
 Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 12:07 PM
 Subject: two script questions :-)


 Dear RS friends:-), I have a question according  the java script
 codes... - It's possible to interact between a script and a
 scene in a directly way? I mean: if I have a cube and a sphere or a
 lightsource and would like to change the attributes of the
 objects so I can see it in a promptly way?

 Sorry.. ;-) next question: It's possible to say in a script something
 like that: find object cube and make anything with it I
 like... Hey, looking for a cube or a sphere or a nurbs... I don't find
 anything in the scripting folder...

 have a nice weekend from sun shining germany:-) kind regards, Frank




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Re: thanks... two script questions :-)

[Frank Brübach]

Hi Kuda, 

in a similiar way ok, that's my first little problem;-) color changing and 
updating or refreshing a scene by a script... 

How can I refresh or update a script? for eg a colour slider for a cube... 
the colour for the cube should be green, after that blue by handling with the 
slider in the script... and I wish the script does it in a directly way by 
clicking or pushing an update button or something else... hmh... no idea... 
anybody else??

second: it's possible to get all xobjects in a kind of an container, 
function_container(), where I can put all my objects they should change by 
changing the sliders or click buttons or radio buttons ??? must laugh... no 
idea...

best regards, fishing in a dark see, frankolino:-)

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Gesendet: 19.03.08 00:33:07
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: thanks... two script questions :-)


Hello Frank.
I do not understand a meaning of interact.
Do you want to change attributes of the objects?
Which attribute do you want to change?
For example, do you want to change the color of the object?
Best regards,
K-UDA

- Original Message - 
From: Frank Brubach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 1:57 AM
Subject: Re: thanks... two script questions :-)


 Hi Matthias, thank you for little help :-) But I am looking for a script 
 advice to interact between a script and a scene in a directly way... I 
 will search in one of these strange understanding c++ book ;-)  I will 
 look as soon as I can for constraints examples... may be it's useful I am 
 sure. - Same to question 2... it's not so easy here in the forum, where 
 one thousand people are missing using the script language of realsoft;-D

 The tool is really great and powerful, but there's missing a lot of user 
 and more progressive advertising to get this new 3d user... I am thinking 
 realsoft needs more user to get forward with the animation part and the 
 scripting / plugin part...
 nevertheless I don't give up and learning more with realsoft step by 
 step... best regards, Frank

 -Urspr$B!(Bgliche Nachricht-
 Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
 Gesendet: 16.03.08 22:48:02
 An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
 Betreff: Re: two script questions :-)


 To QT 1: Constraints :-? (Have a look in the samples-constraint)
 Or the hard way: Set a 0 frame play range and loop on, then press play.
 Hard way needs a load javascript, while scripting in external app ;-)

 To QT 2: No idea :-?

 Matthias


 - Original Message - 
 From: Frank Br$B!(Bach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
 Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 12:07 PM
 Subject: two script questions :-)


 Dear RS friends:-), I have a question according  the java script 
 codes... - It's possible to interact between a script and a
 scene in a directly way? I mean: if I have a cube and a sphere or a 
 lightsource and would like to change the attributes of the
 objects so I can see it in a promptly way?

 Sorry.. ;-) next question: It's possible to say in a script something 
 like that: find object cube and make anything with it I
 like... Hey, looking for a cube or a sphere or a nurbs... I don't find 
 anything in the scripting folder...

 have a nice weekend from sun shining germany:-) kind regards, Frank
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Re: thanks... two script questions :-)

[Frank Brübach]

Hi Matthias, thank you for little help :-) But I am looking for a script advice 
to interact between a script and a scene in a directly way... I will search in 
one of these strange understanding c++ book ;-)  I will look as soon as I can 
for constraints examples... may be it's useful I am sure. - Same to question 
2... it's not so easy here in the forum, where one thousand people are missing 
using the script language of realsoft;-D

The tool is really great and powerful, but there's missing a lot of user and 
more progressive advertising to get this new 3d user... I am thinking realsoft 
needs more user to get forward with the animation part and the scripting / 
plugin part...
nevertheless I don't give up and learning more with realsoft step by step... 
best regards, Frank 

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Gesendet: 16.03.08 22:48:02
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: two script questions :-)


To QT 1: Constraints :-? (Have a look in the samples-constraint)
Or the hard way: Set a 0 frame play range and loop on, then press play.
Hard way needs a load javascript, while scripting in external app ;-)

To QT 2: No idea :-?

Matthias


- Original Message - 
From: Frank Brübach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 12:07 PM
Subject: two script questions :-)


 Dear RS friends:-), I have a question according  the java script codes... - 
 It's possible to interact between a script and a
scene in a directly way? I mean: if I have a cube and a sphere or a lightsource 
and would like to change the attributes of the
objects so I can see it in a promptly way?

 Sorry.. ;-) next question: It's possible to say in a script something like 
 that: find object cube and make anything with it I
like... Hey, looking for a cube or a sphere or a nurbs... I don't find 
anything in the scripting folder...

 have a nice weekend from sun shining germany:-) kind regards, Frank
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two script questions :-)

[Frank Brübach]

Dear RS friends:-), I have a question according  the java script codes... - 
It's possible to interact between a script and a scene in a directly way? I 
mean: if I have a cube and a sphere or a lightsource and would like to change 
the attributes of the objects so I can see it in a promptly way? 

Sorry.. ;-) next question: It's possible to say in a script something like 
that: find object cube and make anything with it I like... Hey, looking for 
a cube or a sphere or a nurbs... I don't find anything in the scripting 
folder... 

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Re: realsoft website error...

[Frank Brübach]

PS:  I cannot open the realsoft website... saturday evening 20:03h... I have 
got this error message:

Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to 
complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and inform them of 
the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have 
caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

kind regards, frank brübach


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Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Gesendet: 15.03.08 12:08:48
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: two script questions :-)


Dear RS friends:-), I have a question according  the java script codes... - 
It's possible to interact between a script and a scene in a directly way? I 
mean: if I have a cube and a sphere or a lightsource and would like to change 
the attributes of the objects so I can see it in a promptly way? 

Sorry.. ;-) next question: It's possible to say in a script something like 
that: find object cube and make anything with it I like... Hey, looking for 
a cube or a sphere or a nurbs... I don't find anything in the scripting 
folder... 

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Re: Collision and a little gravity problem:-)

[Frank Brübach]

Dear Kuda:-) thank you for your example! My exercises have just beginning with 
the animation projects. I have changed a little an example of the rs folder 
(samples, collision) to make jumping the balls;-) and have got the right answer 
I wished:-)...
I haven`t tried it before to work with collision and simulation. So I have to 
learn a lot, I am sure... The capabilities of realsoft and the animation tool 
are very useful. Therefore I haven`t enough time at the moment to proof all 
knowledge about such very interesting part of simulation, animation, I started 
with a simple exercise. Later I will close this chapter with the balls running 
down a slite into water example, so I had it in mind:-)
Best regards and good weekend, bye, Frank


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Gesendet: 02.02.08 02:54:45
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: Collision and a little gravity problem:-) 


Hello Frankolino.
First... .
Please check your email software.
Is a form of the email transmission of a message set by a text format?
And please start a new line by all means in the last of the sentence.

Next... .
It is necessary for you to read a Simulations 6.Collision Detection
chapter of the user manual carefully.
best regards,
K-UDA

- Original Message - 
From: Frank Brubach
To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: Collision and a little gravity problem:-)



... here I sent the file as a zip-file format, creating the little 
simulation scene with rs 5.1 sp4:-) // Realflow from Carlo Lanzotti will 
appear soon??? I hope so! best regards, Frank


Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Gesendet: 01.02.08 13:13:11
An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: Collision and a little gravity problem:-)


Dear realsoft friends, if anybody is interested in thinking about such 
things;-) / here comes a little sideproject to the running balls into 
water:-) Collisiondetection with balls and a table, but I have a lot of 
difficulties with the distant gravity tool, sometimes I can activate it 
(realsoft folder: simulation, distant gravity), often I cannot create such 
little but important tool for making the gravity for the table, I have 
copied it from another example... but thats not useful, I am thinking;-) 
Anybody can help...??? I am working with V 5.1 SP4:-)

best regards, Frankolino


Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Gesendet: 26.01.08 21:39:36
An:
Betreff: Re: to mark: Looking for an example ball running down at a pathline


Hi Frank,

Here's the slightly modified Mill project (only objects, materials 
animation saved).
I didn't run the sim all the way to the end but get the impression that the
movements are unnatural... Yesterday I wasted hours by tweaking the settings
but never got completely rid of weird spinning balls. RS really needs
Dynatomics! Chrono has very fast collision detection but it's rather limited
in that department. (I wonder if I'm the only one who actually bought it!)
Obviously RS had other priorities than the sim system, and I can hardly
blame them...

Maybe you're better off with a simple path animation Frank, I hope you'll
show an animation soon,

Mark




--
Hi all, dear Mark, I have just begun to make a simple simulation scene with
balls, water (material!), and some water balls with metaballs... the aim
should be to simulate the water with metaballs or fluid simulation (I have
still to check the manual, uahhh...:-)) !) I attach my project scene I have
started yesterday evening, was so tired... but there's a lot of fun to learn
more about the simulation power of realsoft, best wishes Frank Br$B!(Bach







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Re: Collision and a little gravity problem:-)

[Frank Brübach]

Dear realsoft friends, if anybody is interested in thinking about such 
things;-) / here comes a little sideproject to the running balls into water:-) 
Collisiondetection with balls and a table, but I have a lot of difficulties 
with the distant gravity tool(Sad 
src=http://www.3ddart.org/modules/PNphpBB2/images/smiles/icon_sad.gif), 
sometimes I can activate it (realsoft folder: simulation, distant gravity), 
often I cannot create such little but important tool for making the gravity for 
the table, I have copied it from another example... but thats not useful, I 
am thinking;-) Anybody can help...??? I am working with V 5.1 SP4:-)

best regards, Frankolino

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Hi Frank,

Here's the slightly modified Mill project (only objects, materials  
animation saved).
I didn't run the sim all the way to the end but get the impression that the 
movements are unnatural... Yesterday I wasted hours by tweaking the settings 
but never got completely rid of weird spinning balls. RS really needs 
Dynatomics! Chrono has very fast collision detection but it's rather limited 
in that department. (I wonder if I'm the only one who actually bought it!)
Obviously RS had other priorities than the sim system, and I can hardly 
blame them...

Maybe you're better off with a simple path animation Frank, I hope you'll 
show an animation soon,

Mark




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balls, water (material!), and some water balls with metaballs... the aim 
should be to simulate the water with metaballs or fluid simulation (I have 
still to check the manual, uahhh...:-)) !) I attach my project scene I have 
started yesterday evening, was so tired... but there's a lot of fun to learn 
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Re: to mark(2): Looking for an example ball running do wn at a pathline

[Frank Brübach]

Hi dear Mark, very interesting project you have sent, great idea:-) I like such 
things! :-D / Compliment with the diggers (hope it is the right word) and the 
water simulation, I haven't seen the whole animation, cannot render it, I have 
still yet the v6 demo... But I am trying it with a simple scene, perhaps I will 
deform the water material, if the waterballs dropping in it... I see, it's 
nearly impossible to animate a simulation fluid with realsoft basic board 
things;-) realflow, dynatomic? It would be nice, if this tool become ready, 
seem to be a great stuff and a very hard work to build this animation tools for 
carlo:-)... I try it again to build my idea and will show it here... best 
thanks mark, I am learning with every scene... have a nice week, best regards, 
Frank 

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*Betreff:* Re: to mark: Looking for an example ball running down at a pathline


Hi Frank,

Here's the slightly modified Mill project (only objects, materials  
animation saved).
I didn't run the sim all the way to the end but get the impression that the 
movements are unnatural... Yesterday I wasted hours by tweaking the settings 
but never got completely rid of weird spinning balls. RS really needs 
Dynatomics! Chrono has very fast collision detection but it's rather limited 
in that department. (I wonder if I'm the only one who actually bought it!)
Obviously RS had other priorities than the sim system, and I can hardly 
blame them...

Maybe you're better off with a simple path animation Frank, I hope you'll 
show an animation soon,

Mark




--
Hi all, dear Mark, I have just begun to make a simple simulation scene with 
balls, water (material!), and some water balls with metaballs... the aim 
should be to simulate the water with metaballs or fluid simulation (I have 
still to check the manual, uahhh...:-)) !) I attach my project scene I have 
started yesterday evening, was so tired... but there's a lot of fun to learn 
more about the simulation power of realsoft, best wishes Frank Brübach







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Re: Looking for an example ball running down at a pathline

[Frank Brübach]

Hi matthias, no special idea with the water splash:-) ... I am thinking about 
fluid simulation and metaballs for the water material, but it would be very 
rendering unlike:-) / I have attached a scene with the project idea, bye, Frank 
good weekend:)

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How do you like to create the splash in water effect :-?

Matthias


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To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for an example ball running down at a pathline


 Hi Matthias, I'd like to make it first with a spline path animation:-) the 
 ball should splashes into water... after running down
the half pipe... - I have deleted all my folders with erase my old rs 4.5 
version, I am too silly, haha, bye, franko

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 Path or simulation ?

 Matthias

 - Original Message - 
 From: Frank Brübach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
 Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 3:26 PM
 Subject: Looking for an example ball running down at a pathline


  Dear rs friends, I am looking for a simple animation example how I can let 
  running down a ball on a path from a open tube,
 halfpipe... it would be very nice to find such a scene, I have deleted it 
 some years ago from the rs 4.5 folder... best regards,
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Re: Looking for an example ball running down at a pathline

[Frank Brübach]

Hi Matthias, I'd like to make it first with a spline path animation:-) the ball 
should splashes into water... after running down the half pipe... - I have 
deleted all my folders with erase my old rs 4.5 version, I am too silly, haha, 
bye, franko

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Path or simulation ?

Matthias

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Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 3:26 PM
Subject: Looking for an example ball running down at a pathline


 Dear rs friends, I am looking for a simple animation example how I can let 
 running down a ball on a path from a open tube,
halfpipe... it would be very nice to find such a scene, I have deleted it some 
years ago from the rs 4.5 folder... best regards,
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[Frank Brübach]

Dear rs friends, I am looking for a simple animation example how I can let 
running down a ball on a path from a open tube, halfpipe... it would be very 
nice to find such a scene, I have deleted it some years ago from the rs 4.5 
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Re: frankolinos nurbshelper for V6:-) runs with 6.1.4

[Frank Brübach]

Hi Garry, sorry about that, but I wanted only to update the nurbshelper script 
for the community, I am working with quite other stuffs in my professional 
way;-) / I know the nursbhelper script runs with v5 (tested with various pc's) 
and v6 (the fact is, with no problem to 6.01.04, v 6.01.03 is buggy so juha 
says again...!).. But I know the script runs very well with v6 after the first 
release... the script runs very well with the old V5, I have tested it two 
years ago, you can remember? - The installation is easy. Copy the whole content 
of the *.zip file into the scripting folder, there will be a new folder with 
three files, so you can open the nurbshelper script.js from the menu scripts, 
like all other scripts too:-) The image wasn't the problem, the path only in 
the script, so I have tested it the last week and changed that...

Yes, probably a new RS page or link with the updated nurbshelper script is a 
useful idea:-) Thank you for critics! ... best regards, Frank

by the way: the window gdi ( I changed the entry from open gl to window gdi) 
fixed my problem of the rendering mistake of my view window, many thanks:-)))


 
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*Betreff:* Re: frankolinos nurbshelper for V6:-) runs with 6.1.4


  Hi Frank,
  hm, I get two error messages...

 Hmm.
 Must be Realsoft v. 6.01.04 !
 Not 6.01.03 .
 Use the 60 day Demo, or wait for the update :-?
 Matthias

Ah yes ! The ever and always elusive , RS V6 demo .
Often spoke of , but never seen . The V6.01.04 .

Who among us has the courage to ask again ?
Not I , for I have led the reluctant horse to
the water , but the horse has no thirst .
The horse appears to have it's head sewn on
backwards . Better to see if bubbles are coming
out of it's ass when it runs at full speed .

The Windows GDi ... a mystery for the ages .
Years from now they will talk of the GDi , but
it will be in vain , for it will be nothing
but rumour , swallowed up in the mist of time ,
a memory in the dead minds of the ancients .

... but fear not ! Soon will be the SP1 ! Joy 
rapture will overcome our desire for knowledge .
The dirvishes will spin and scripts will spew
upon the land , like giant hairy mosquitoes !

Docs will reside in osmosis . Wind will carry
the scent of install procedures . Out of the
fog will emerge the ... the ... the Stooges !

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Re: problem with rendering window V 6

[Frank Brübach]

Dear Andre, I am thinking its not a problem of the video card driver. I have 
rendere the scene with RS 5.1 SP4 it does render everything as well as I 
wish:-) / No idea, where the damned devil lives in detail;-) I will check it 
otherwise. Thank you for the hint. Bye, Frank 

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An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: problem with rendering window V 6


Hi Frank ,I got the same problem , look if you get the last drivers for your
video card .
Andre

- Original Message - 
From: Frank Brübach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 3:40 PM
Subject: problem with rendering window V 6


dear rs friends, I have rendered a little test scene with RS v6, I have got 
such a mysterios problem... the realsoft renderer works twice a time on my 
screenplay. After minimize the rs-window gui and maximize it, everything 
will be o.k.:-) ! ;-D

A picture I attach... perhaps there is a collision problem with other 3apps? 
So far as I can remember matthias has had a similiar problem with v 5... / 
does anybody can help?
regards, frank brübach
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Re: frankolinos nurbshelper script fixed - window gene rating script

[Frank Brübach]

Dear Garry again:-) you don't need any sleep??? Better you are going skiing on 
the mountain to have a break :-

a short reply... (must laugh)... the nursbhelper script runs with V5 and V6, I 
know that:-) / it doesn't matter if the name of the script is boris becker or 
nurbshelper or blue sky, it's just a name. In my script I have mentioned the 
exactly name of the path:-) / everything should be ok., although I would like 
to know if there a any bugs for V6 with the nurbshelper... the pathline of my 
machine for my script is nearly equal to your path... see the attached text. / 
the names of any tools are not important, just if you want to load exactly the 
file with the right name (save or load)... / 
nurbshelper 1.61 is only the hint to the adapted version to V6... the document 
(html) is an old one, correctly, but it should be only a info for my 
nurbshelper script...

sunny greetings to canada:-) / bye, Frank

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An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: frankolinos nurbshelper script fixed - window generating script


Hello from sunny California :

  Bad acid , or an elaborate Chinese Puzzle ? Hang on to your
hats as I take us through the current bizzaro-world of java
script testing ...

Frank :

  I see you posted on the RS forum  new version 1.61 , but
the file you posted to the list was 
frankolinos_nurbshelper151_.zip .

  This got me thinking , so I tried your zip file (that won't
run on my V6) , on V5sp3 . I managed to get this working (fin-
ally) and noticed that the toolbar stated it to be 
'Frankolinos NurbsCurve Helper XL 1.61B' .

  In your included Docs you make no mention of 'XL 1.61b' .

  Anyway , here's what I discovered about the annoying jpeg
file problem , as well as the troubles I encountered with
this latest version to run .

  Let's start with the zip file .

1) It needs to be named correctly .
2) It needs an update on the html file (it's 2 years old)
3) The docs need to mention your ... ... _Pro_151_Helix.js
4) When you unzip it , it creates a folder 
  /frankolinos_nurbshelper151_ . Inside THIS folder is the
  actual folder that a user will need to place in their
  RS/Scripting Folder in order for your script to run .

  Notice that the 2 folder names are just slightly diff-
erent so as to suck the life out of someone ? In short
you need to eliminate the first folder in the zip file .

  That brings us to the matter of your script's place of
residence on our hard drive . V1.61B will not run unless
the jpeg file resides in ...

:\RS\scripting\frankolinos_nurbshelper151\

 The folder _Must_ be named as such , and it must include
the .jpeg file there , and only there . Any deviation will
result in an error message .

  However , on my system , I was able to get the script to
run if I placed the script in the :\rs\scripting folder ,
as long as I ran another java script file first (and the
jpeg file was where it needs to be) . No idea why that
is happening , and maybe it's just my setup (not sure) .

  Now it's time to mention your previous script ...
Frankolinos Nurbs Curve  Helix Helper Pro V1.51 .

  The jpeg MUST be in :\RS\scripting\ , or else it will
cause problems . You can move the script to it's own
folder and it _Might_ run, but don't move the jpeg .

  These are great scripts that can and have caused a lot
of hair pulling and cold sweats , simply because of a
few tiny little errors . Once again , it is very important
to do all the little things correctly , such as ...

- Name the zip file correctly 
- Update the Docs with each version release
- Notify the user about the jpeg hazard
- get others to test it out first , as well as yourself

  I haven't tested the actual functionality of this script
so maybe someone else can take the baton and run with it
for a while ?

Thanks for your great scripts , Frank !

garry



 Hang on :
   There is no V6 demo there for D/L .
 I give up .

 Frank , did you get my reply about your rendering problems ?
 garry

I'll D/L the windows demo and try your script .
  garry




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problem with rendering window V 6

[Frank Brübach]

dear rs friends, I have rendered a little test scene with RS v6, I have got 
such a mysterios problem... the realsoft renderer works twice a time on my 
screenplay. After minimize the rs-window gui and maximize it, everything will 
be o.k.:-) ! ;-D

A picture I attach... perhaps there is a collision problem with other 3apps? So 
far as I can remember matthias has had a similiar problem with v 5... / does 
anybody can help?
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Re: frankolinos nurbshelper script fixed - window gene rating script

[Frank Brübach]

dear garry, thank you! :-) // the script I have attached as a zip.file with my 
last e-mail here! You can see it? best wishes for your projects too! have a 
good year, best wishes to california ( I am right)... ciao and bye, 
Frankolino

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An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: frankolinos nurbshelper script fixed - window generating script


Hi Frank :

  Do you have a link to the new script ? I'll test
it out as soon as I get it .

thanks

garry



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To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 9:35 AM
Subject: RE: frankolinos nurbshelper script fixed - window generating script


Hi Frank Bueters, hi all realsoft friends :-) I have fixed my nurbshelper 
script for realsoft v 5.1, v 6 (I am
just working with the demo version!) :-) the nurbshelper script has had only 
one little problem with the path
of the picture into the script...
Copy the content files of the nurbshelper.ZIP (there should be three entries!, 
the *.js file, the vulcano
island picture and a little html file...) in the Realsoft/Scripting folder. If 
you start RS 5/6 go to the menu
scripts and open the frankolinos nurbshelper folder, there you will find the 
nurbshelper script you can
load:-) // that's all...

It does work for realsoft V 5.x too:-)))

Have a nice and a good year, best wishes for realsoft v6 and the forum. Kind 
regards, Frankolino, Germany

If you have any questions, please ask and contact me...


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An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: RE: window generating script




 -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
 Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Zaug
 Verzonden: donderdag 3 januari 2008 21:44
 Aan: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
 Onderwerp: Re: window generating script

 Frank Bueters wrote:
 
 
  Here is a debug version to test:
  http://www.catmtn.com/rr/realgreeblez/rwz-debug1.zip
 
  Thankz,
  Zaug
 
 
  error 404, file not found :(
 
  Fr.
 
 
 
 Sorry,  it is there, now

 Z

Same thing. Can't even get to debugging as the error message appears at the
moment the script is activated.
Frankolino's nurbshelper is suffering from the same problem.

Frank




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Re: frankolinos nurbshelper script fixed - window gene rating script

[Frank Brübach]

dear garry again... :-) you must load the frankolinos_nurbshelper152.js script 
from the opened folder... it does function as well, so I have tried it from 
various machines... 
Realsoft3D_32\scripting\frankolinos_nurbshelper151\frankolinos...*.js (this 
script you must open!!! :-))) so I am thinking it will run, I have tested it 
for V5 and V6, it works! I am sure...Perhaps you can make a screenshot of your 
scripting folder I can help you... so now I am finishing my work here:-) bye, 
cu, till the next days... frank

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An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: Re: frankolinos nurbshelper script fixed - window generating script


Hi Frank :

 Sorry , it will not load in V6 . Getting the .jpeg error message .
Exactly which folder does the .jpeg file have to be in ? I have it
in the

D:\Program Files\Realsoft3D_32\scripting\frankolinos_nurbshelper151
D:\Program Files\Realsoft3D_32\scripting

  and the script will not load .

  May I make a suggestion , since this jpeg file has caused so much
trouble in the past for users , and still is now ? Remove the jpeg .

  Then again , maybe the demo that you are running has the java
bug fixed and it is not the problem of your script at all . Who
knows ?

garry




Hi Frank Bueters, hi all realsoft friends :-) I have fixed my nurbshelper 
script for realsoft v 5.1, v 6 (I am
just working with the demo version!) :-) the nurbshelper script has had only 
one little problem with the path
of the picture into the script...
Copy the content files of the nurbshelper.ZIP (there should be three entries!, 
the *.js file, the vulcano
island picture and a little html file...) in the Realsoft/Scripting folder. If 
you start RS 5/6 go to the menu
scripts and open the frankolinos nurbshelper folder, there you will find the 
nurbshelper script you can
load:-) // that's all...

It does work for realsoft V 5.x too:-)))

Have a nice and a good year, best wishes for realsoft v6 and the forum. Kind 
regards, Frankolino, Germany

If you have any questions, please ask and contact me...


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An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: RE: window generating script




 -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
 Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Zaug
 Verzonden: donderdag 3 januari 2008 21:44
 Aan: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
 Onderwerp: Re: window generating script

 Frank Bueters wrote:
 
 
  Here is a debug version to test:
  http://www.catmtn.com/rr/realgreeblez/rwz-debug1.zip
 
  Thankz,
  Zaug
 
 
  error 404, file not found :(
 
  Fr.
 
 
 
 Sorry,  it is there, now

 Z

Same thing. Can't even get to debugging as the error message appears at the
moment the script is activated.
Frankolino's nurbshelper is suffering from the same problem.

Frank




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Re: A method to arrange a curve on the surface.

[Frank Brübach]

 

Dear Kuda, I will test your script as soon as possible. Great stuff! :-))) I 
have to travel at this moment through germany to find a publishing house for my 
criminal story:-))) Good luck with your nurbs script, I am believing it's a 
very interesting script to expand your ideas. It will takes more than one week 
I will come back. Good luck for you hair script, if I can help I will do it, 
though my time is very precious:-) See you, frank brübach, germany


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*Gesendet:* 27.01.07 14:40:05
*An:* USER-LIST@LIGHT.REALSOFT3D.COM
*Betreff:* Re: A method to arrange a curve on the surface.

Hello Frank Br$B!(Bach.
Thanks for your reply.
I gave up using SetMatrixRotate method.
Best regards,
K-UDA- Original Message - *From:* Frank Brübach [mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED] *To:* user-list@light.realsoft3d.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
*Sent:* Friday, January 12, 2007 7:56 PM*Subject:* Re: A method to arrange a 
curve on the surface.



Dear Kuda, sorry, but I haven't found the last two days any example with the 
rotations of the SetMatrixRotate method. But there was no much time to look 
after such solutions. Perhaps juha or another programming guy here in the forum 
can help you? ;-)... I hope so! :-) 

Set starting nurbscurves or points you can find the code in the nurbs curves 
reference of realsoft, I can remember. perhaps you can get/set the axis 
rotation of the curves and manipulate them, no idea. to set the nurbscurves to 
0 in the origin may be no problem. To put the object handle to the point 0, 
there is perhaps a possibility with the HPB method (head, pitching, banking) 
to change the axis of the xobjects ??? Try this way ;-) have a good weekend, if 
I see any example for it, I will write you again. best regards, frank bruebach, 
germany

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*Gesendet:* 11.01.07 09:19:18
*An:* USER-LIST@LIGHT.REALSOFT3D.COM
*Betreff:* Re: A method to arrange a curve on the surface.

Hello Frank Br$B!(Bach.
Thanks for your reply.
I am creating a curve by the SETPOINT method now.
But, the object handle is left in the origin.
I wish to put the object handle to the point0 of the curve.
I created the curve in the origin first.
And I translated the curve by the SetMatrixTranslate method.
It succeeded.
But,I could not rotate the curve in a normal direction by the SetMatrixRotate 
method.
Best regards,
K-UDA- Original Message - *From:* Frank Br$B!(Bach [mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED] *To:* user-list@light.realsoft3d.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 10, 2007 7:10 PM*Subject:* Re: A method to arrange a 
curve on the surface.



 

Dear K-UDA, more details please about your problems ;-) what is your origin aim 
with the nurbscurve arranging? 

/ I have tried yesterday evening a short attempt to test it. I have made 
selected some sds faces and push the curve button. The nurbs curves have 
different lengths I see, doesn't know why? - Perhaps you can start the nurbs 
curves from a center of gravity to make them equal. Sorry about my short 
time, I have had a look at your script, I like it, it's a lot of work. The idea 
behind this little tool may be very interesting.

I have tried a lot of similiar things before my nurbs curve helper script. So 
the way to a hair tool might be not so far as I think ;-) but who wants to 
create such interesting tools who has no time enough to build and test it ?

I have made a little picture about my first test with a sds cube and two nurbs 
curves areas. Perhaps I can help ;-) if I understand closer the problem...

Frank Br$B!(Bach :-)

*Von:* user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
*Gesendet:* 08.01.07 13:11:28
*An:* USER-LIST@LIGHT.REALSOFT3D.COM
*Betreff:* A method to arrange a curve on the surface.


Hello List.
I try to arrange the curve on the surface with JavaScript.
And I try to rotate it to the direction of the surface/vertex normal.
However, it did not work well.
Do you know a method to achieve it?
Best regards,
K-UDA






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Re: Season's Greetings andtake more time for private things :-)

[Frank Brübach]

Dear Realsoft Users, dear Vesa and Juha, best wishes to you and your company, 
your family and to all realsoft users a good Merry Christmas and a Happy New 
Year too! :-) Good luck for the next big issue of realsoft v 6. Best regards 
from the centre of Germany, wish good renderings and more time for private 
things, to enjoy the real life is as important as using such a interesting 3d 
software as realsoft 3d ;-) don't forget to live and love your life, your wife, 
drink wine and bear, make some sports and make a break when you are too 
stressed by daily work :-) see you perhaps back here in some month, frank 
brübach

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Gesendet: 22.12.06 11:36:44
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Betreff: Season's Greetings


Dear Realsoft 3D users:

When the year 2006 approaches its end, Realsoft 3D is available for all
major platforms. Expanding the set of supported operating systems took 
a lot of efforts. However, the base work is now done and new 
development will be platform independent. New product releases will  
appear on all platforms simultaneously.

We will see even more versions next year by the launch of  the version 6
with its native 64 bit flavors. We already know that maintaining the
additional versions is worth the effort: speed increase will be remarkable,
not to mention the expanded, practically unlimited memory space.

Warm thanks to our customers and partners for your support.
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!


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QT: Have a little time for a calculator machine, but how to transform it from C++ to javascript?

[Frank Brübach]

 

Dear realsoft user, a short interruption from my criminal novel working ;-) 
Last week I have found an C++ example for a calculator machine, I would like 
to transform it to realsoft for a java script example. I know there is a little 
new calculator js in version 5.1 sp3 ;-), but I like the whole calculator, 
you can type in and push buttons to get the result. Perhaps somebody has more 
experience and can help. If does not, it doesn't matter :-) I send here the 
code structure of the taschenrechner (calculator) example here :-)

thank you (perhaps) for helping, bye from germany

 example calculator

/* Taschenr.cpp Taschenrechner */ (calculator machine)
#include stdio.h
#include math.h

#define MAX 100

void anleitung()
 {
 printf(\n\t Taschenrechner \n\n);
 
 printf(Der Taschenrechner unterstuetzt:\n);
 printf(\n);
 printf( () geklammerte Ausdruecke\n);
 printf( + Addition\n);
 printf( - Subtraktion\n);
 printf( * Multiplikation\n);
 printf( / Division\n);
 printf( ^ Potenzierung\n);
 printf( s() Sinus\n);

 printf(\n);
 printf(\t z.B.: (s(1.1^4)-2)/(-4+2*s(1))\n);
 
 printf(\n);
 printf(Leerzeichen sind nicht erlaubt\n);
 printf(Aufeinanderfolg. Operatoren werden durch 0 
  getrennt!\n);
 printf(Ende durch Eingabe von 0 oder )\n\n);
 }


char s[MAX]; // der eingegebene Ausdruck, der ausgewertet wird
int i; // s[i] ist das Zeichen, das akt. bearbeitet wird

float expr(); // Vorwaertsdeklaration


// wandelt eine Ziffernfolge in eine Zahl um.
// statt sprintf() zu verwenden, werden die Zahlen 
// Stelle fuer Stelle aufgebaut.

float zahl(float q, float c) 
 {
 // c=0 = noch kein '.' eingelesen
 // c=(0.1)^n = n-te Nachkommastelle

 if(c==0)
 q=10*q+s[i]-48;
 else
 q=q+c*(s[i]-48);

 if( (s[i+1]47)  (s[i+1]58) ) // s[i+1] ist Ziffer
 if (c==0)
 {
 i++;
 q=zahl(q,0);
 }
 else
 {
 i++;
 q=zahl(q,c/10);
 }

 if (s[i+1]=='.')
 {
 i+=2;
 q=zahl(q,0.1);
 }

 return q;
 }

// s_expr() wertet einen Ausdruck aus der 
//
// subtrahiert (c=0)
// multipliziert/dividiert (c=1)
// potenziert (c=2) werden soll
//
// der Parameter c gibt die Prioritaet an

float s_expr(int c)
 {
 float q=0;

 // Punkt- vor Strichrechnung
 while( s[i]!=')'  s[i]!='\0'  s[i]!='+'  s[i]!='-'
  (c1 || s[i]!='*')  (c1 || s[i]!='/')
  (c2 || s[i]!='^'))
 {
 if (s[i]47  s[i]58)
 q=zahl(0,0);

 switch (s[i])
 {
 case '(': i++;
 q=expr();
 break;
 case '*': if(c1)
 {
 i++;
 q*=s_expr(1);
 }
 break;
 case '/': if(c1)
 {
 i++;
 q/=s_expr(1);
 }
 break;
 case '^': if(c2)
 {
 i++;
 q=exp(log(q)*s_expr(2));
 }
 break;
 case 's': i+=2;
 q=sin(expr());
 break;
 }
 i++;
 }
 i--;
 return q;
 }

// wertet den Ausdruck aus

float expr() 
 {
 float qh,q=0;

 while(s[i]!=')'  s[i]!='\0')
 {
 // s[i] ist eine Ziffer = in Zahl umwandeln

 if(s[i]47  s[i]58)
 q=zahl(0,0); 

 // s[i] Rechenzeichen/Symbol
 switch (s[i])
 {
 case '(': i++; q =expr(); break;
 case '+': i++; q+=expr();i--; break;
 case '-': i++; q-=s_expr(0); break;
 case '*': i++; q*=s_expr(1); break;
 case '/': i++; q/=s_expr(1); break;
 case '^': i++; q =exp(log(q)*s_expr(2)); break;
 case 's': i+=2; q =sin(expr()); break;
 }
 i++;
 }
 return q;
 }

int main()
 {
 anleitung();

 do
 {
 // Eingabeband leeren
 for(i=0; iMAX; i++)
 s[i]=' ';

 file://Eingabe [file://Eingabe] des Ausdrucks
 printf(\n Ihre Eingabe :\n\n\t); 
 
 scanf(%s,s);

 i=0; // Auswertung beginnt mit dem ersten Zeichen

 // Auswertung und Ausgabe
 printf(\n\tErgebnis: %f\n,expr());

 } while(s[0]!=')'  s[0]!='0');

 return 0;
 }
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Have a break - Good bye for one year or more for my cr iminal novel project

[Frank Brübach]

Dear realsoft users, I will make a big break for one year or more. Thank you 
all for all the inputs and kindly answers according to realsoft themes. I have 
learned a lot about realsoft and 3d graphic, so I can use it some day for my 
film projects (connecting both worlds like lord of the rings or ice age or 
CSI... ;-)))  have written the last two years a big detectiv criminal story 
(thriller, fantasy and fairy tale) and have to publish in the next weeks. Now I 
am making advertising for myself (www.schoenberger-krimis.de, but only in 
german, sorry), the next days I will start a reading about my novel, need to 
get more connections to a big publishing house here in germany... the criminal 
story calls Verliebtes Killerherz (Murderheart fell in love or something in 
this way) I am planing a serial ;-) for three, four novels. All best luck for 
the realsoft users and become the best 3d application on the 3d market 
worldwide! I love realsoft and have it in my heart :-)))

Thanks a lot to juha and vesa, they are working very hard and close to all the 
user here in the forum. I give you here my big respect! :-)

Servus and see you, best regards from Germany, sincerely Frank Brübach
Servus und bis bald, beste Grüße aus Deutschland, wünscht Frank Brübach
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Re: Why? - And they say their is no such thing as a free lunch ... hmph!

[Frank Brübach]

Hi Aidan, I cannot believe it! I have downloaded the bryce 5 package. But why it's for free What policy and software politics does DAZ (and many other picture manipulation tools too) are doing with this special offer? - My suggestion and opinion for the next years: the 2d/3d software becomes more and more for free, no one will pay for it, but use very likely the whole features and power of such a big software tool. More and more big companies will die after such dumping price attacks... the open source policy of a great amount of people has not only good sides I believe. ;-)Nevertheless: Thank you for the link. I am working still with VUE 5:-), have a nice week, servus, Frank BrübachVon: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 23.08.06 14:42:41An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comBetreff: And they say their is no such thing as a free lunch ... hmph!Hi Guys,Some of ye may have got the mail from DAZ that they are now giving BRYCE 5 away for free. Get downloading, here is a CGTALK thread with the link:http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=396465And before anyone says anything - ITS FREE, COSTS NOTHING. So, a tool at least worth the install. No where near VUE, but again - its FREE,CheersAidanDer WEB.DE SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen!http://smartsurfer.web.de/?mc=100071=0066

Re: Test one :-) and greeble critics

[Frank Brübach]

Hi only a testmail :-)I agree: Dear Zaug, Greeble is a damned good tool:-) the greeble website should be fonts-typically more comfortable and readable for better reading, that's only my little critic point. Servus, Frankolino:-)Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 18.08.06 07:25:35An: Betreff: Re: Real GreebleZ! has a new web site and a minor updateHi Zaug..Thx for the update..Sound intresting with the challengeOn the site, it might be me and my eyes..but I have a hard time to see the red for the Headings and the blueŽs for the Links...The normal text inbetween.. is calm, easy on the eyes and clearly visible..!Btw.. your GreebleZ script, is an awesome cool tool, with loads of areas it can be used, not just to directly modify or create cool SDS objects.. but even as a tool for placing other things/objects easily in a controlled way.. and much more workflows..I even made some test making multilegged creatures (the more legs and tentacles and so on, the more use one have of your GreebleZ...), with easy to place skeletons and so on..=)..Maybe I will do a tut on that, if I get energy and time...It works very well...Take CareBest RegardsStefan Gustafsson ( Beg-inner )A Proud Owner and User of Real3D and Realsoft3D.. The Real GreebleZ! site has received a much needed face lift. There is also a new release that fixes a couple minor bugs. This is all in preparation/anticipation of a new challenge thread on the contest site that is to be announced tomorrow. As always, it is at: http://www.catmtn.com/realgreeblez.php Cheers, Zaug --  My love of the halfling's leaf has clearly slowed my mind. |8?o Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS!Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193

RE: New Idea with a Pulsar (code) question ;-)

[Frank Brübach]

Hi dear realsoft friends, dear Matthias, I have got a new idea to make a sphere pulsar plus color changing, if it's possible with two sphere. I am starting the first step with some questions:This one does function?"vect1 = Math.cos(2 * pulses_per_second * PI * time ) * 0.5 + 0.5);"-- extract example // Print a message print( "Frankolinos Sphere Pulsar-Try" );var pulses_per_second = 2;// var time = SetTime(); ok. it will followvar time = + 12;var vect1 = new r3Vect();var vect2 = new r3Vect();var vect3 = new r3Vect();var PI = 3.14159265358979;vect1 = Math.cos(2 * pulses_per_second * PI * time ) * 0.5 + 0.5);vect2 = Math.cos(2 * pulses_per_second * PI * ( time + 0.333 ) ) * 0.5 + 0.5;vect3 = Math.cos(2 * pulses_per_second * PI * ( time + 0.666 ) ) * 0.5 + 0.5; extract end perhaps somebody can follow me with my idea? It could help for Matthias too;-) It's very new and later it should become an animation part, but I have neverfound examplesfor itand made any experience with this kind of scripting. I am naked :-), best wishes Frank BrübachVon: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 08.08.06 14:56:39An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comBetreff: RE: textur map problem with a sharp edge with sphereHi Aidan and Carl, Matthias, good tipps for me with the last posts:-) The problems are relative new for me, a very new theme with shaders and materials, textures and mapped textures, even "scope" isnearly a strange word for me how to use it exactly. I have tried it two, three times some month ago... I can believe it'sa little bit uncomfortable to use the photoshopfilters, but perhaps necessary for a sphere with my little blue textured cloud:-)Thank you all, I must take two or three days to rebuild my scenes with the shaders and the "seam" problem. Matthias could help, the figure of aidan is pretty nice with the rusty coat he's wearing (he's an evil puppet monster?) ;-)))Must take some days to check it, some scences I have built the last weeks I have deleted. I am stupid, but I have made a new organisation on my realsoft folders. I am stupid too:-), best wishes to you, Frank, so extremely tired today (drank only one little glass of beer with a friend yesterday evening, photo) and haven't no time for sleeping at all, that's really bad...:-)))Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 07.08.06 15:36:59An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comBetreff: RE: textur map problem with a sharp edge with sphereHi Frank,From the Subject of your Mail - "textur map problem with a sharpedge with sphere", I have just this to add.As far as I remember their is some problem with uvsets and weighted faces[ If you are using these ]. Will this hold through with adding texturesto sharpened / weighted edges? Not sure if this problem has / will beironed out. It was a topic of debate on the list a whileback.By using edge loops one could get around this in some way:http://www.tidalsound.com/3dstuff/uvset_scrshot.jpgHere is a textured robot santa, note the stretching of the texturesdenoted by the rivets:http://www.tidalsound.com/3dstuff/santa2.jpgAs far as I remember this was due to sharpened - ish edges, textures didnot form properly around these. Their are others more qualified to talk about this. As far as I rememberBoris had some words to say on it. Hope this is of help, and if I am off the topic by a mile or two Iapologise, if so dump me in the trash can and forget I said anything:)CheersAidanPS - I am only just waking up - hard few days gigging, and two more tocome today ... rock on dudes!eAt 08:59 07/08/2006, you wrote:HiI'm not quite sure what you intend, but if the problem isgetting a seam you can always offset your image horizontally in Photoshopand clonestamp the problematic seam away, then offset back tooriginal.A texture can be prepared for spherical projection by usingPhotoshops Polar Coordinates filter. Clone layer and select it. Do Polarwith rectangular - polar. Select a feathered centerimage from thebackground and merge it with Layer 1. Do Polar again with polar -rectangular. Rotate the canvas 180° and repeat for the lower part of thepicture. Stretch Layer 1 and Layer 2 (the two spherical halves) into asingle image and merge all. Doing from memory here, probably better tolook up proper tutorials on the net :)To make VSL noise repeatable the obvious solution is atriangle curve attached to i.e. the x input. Problem here is a noticeableflipped noise. This can be avoided by activating 4th dimension andinputting it from the x-coordinate with an offsetted triangle curve(instead of the commonly used time input for the 4th parameter). Postedsomething like this earlier (seamless noise), if none of this makes anysense :)Karl-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Matthias KappenbergSent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 9:06 AMTo: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comSubject: Re: textur map problem with a sharp edge withsphereStupid question:Is the texture tileable?Matthias- Original 

Re: Vsl, textur map problem with a sharp edge with sphere

[Frank Brübach]

Hi Matthias, be better to make it easier for me for the beginning, you see it in a right way:-) Thank you, I will try it tomorrow again. One picture I have forgotten how to see it does function with the average map and more I have build yesterday evening. Best wishes, Frank the creek ;-)Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 03.08.06 13:33:26An: Betreff: Re: Vsl, textur map problem with a sharp edge with sphereUuuups and sorry,I thaught the previous mails where send to Frank directly.(No, Garry ist not Greek it's German).Matthias- Original Message -From: "Matthias Kappenberg" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comSent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 1:29 PMSubject: Re: Vsl, textur map problem with a sharp edge with sphere Hallo Frank, noch ein Bild So würde ich 2 Materialien überblenden, wenn sie fliessend ineinander übergehen sollen. Average bei Materialien wird benutzt, um den Mittelwert zu benutzen, z.B.: Material 1 ist konstant Rot Material 1 ist konstant Gelb beide Materialien werden in einem MapAverage Container dem Objekt zugewiesen Das Objekt wird Orange oder: Material 1 ist 100% reflektierend Material 1 ist 0% reflektierend beide Materialien werden in einem MapAverage Container dem Objekt zugewiesen Das Objekt ist 50% reflektierend Hoffe das war hilfreich, Matthias Kappenberg Tel.: 0511-8091473Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS!Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193
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textur map problem with a sharp edge with sphere

[Frank Brübach]

dear rs friends, I have tried to mix some textures (texture map/environment map) for a sphere and some sds capsules (a kind of water textures), but I have got always this sharp edge in the middle of the sphere (I haveimported a sky.jpg) as texture. I guess its a question of using the uv maps or the uv coordinates to avoid this. I never used it before. Does anybody knows how to make a "round" texture for the sphere? O.k., its just a beginner question, but I have started at saturday with mixing textures and colors and using the texture map, so my first steps ;-), best regards, Frank BrübachDer WEB.DE SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen!http://smartsurfer.web.de/?mc=100071=0071
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Re: New tutorial

[Frank Brübach]

short message: dear robert, stefan and all the other working at the "car tutorial", very good stuff! :-)) have downloaded it. the lamborghini looks very, verynice, I am astonished to see such a good rendered picture :-) I know similiar rendered cars from other 3d apps:-), compliment to all:-), Ciao and have a nice holiday, robert! , bye, see you, Frank BrübachVon: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 27.07.06 10:36:49An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comBetreff: Re: New tutorialHi Robert and Stefan, Stefan 'Blockbuster' Klein and I are proud to present our latest tutorial. It's a German - Dutch coproduction: Stefan did the modeling part, I did the text and images.You can really be proud on this tutorial! I learned a lot of it! Verynice final render of the Murcielago, Stefan! I want to release this tutorial now before going on holiday tomorrow (3 weeks). We know that some improvements can be made. I will add them when I get back (OK, Boris!?).Yes, no problem. I'll send it to you.-- ByeBoris - http://www.3ddart.com -Realsoft Image Contest - http://www.realsoft.org -Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS!Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193

How to calculate a distance code between two spheres?

[Frank Brübach]

Dear realsoft friends, during working for the ending of my colour script, I havebuilt yesterday nighta very interesting "distance" calculation and have some question to the professional script user :-)a) "abs" - does it exist in realsoft _javascript_ language? (absolute value)b) I will print the distance measure between two spheres as a result in a popup window (I manage it ;-)one little extract of my code lines :-) --- function myVectorDistanceHook(obj, event, value){var AV;var V;var AV2;var abs = new r3Integer(); // absolute valuevar distance = new r3Vect();// var distance = 1;var Pos = new r3Vect();var Pos1 = new r3Vect();var Pos2 = new r3Vect();var x = new r3Vect();var z = new r3Vect();var y = new r3Vect();var result;v1 = new r3Vect(0.2, 0.1, 0.4);v2 = new r3Vect(0.1, 0.15, 0.5);// AV1 = Math.abs(x);// AV2 = Math.abs(z); AV1 = Pos1.x - Pos2.x; // 346 AV2 = Pos1.z - Pos2.z; A = Math.sqrt(AV1*AV1 + AV2*AV2); V = Pos1.y - Pos2.y; outObjA_distance = A; // outObjdistance ? outObjV_distance = V;} extract endperhaps somebody can help me, would be great ! :-)))have all a nice day, bye, regards, frank brübach, germanyXXL-Speicher, PC-Virenschutz, Spartarife & mehr: Nur im WEB.DE Club!		Jetzt gratis testen! http://freemail.web.de/home/landingpad/?mc=021130

Realsoft, learning, love and some ideas and problems f or myself :-)

[Frank Brübach]

Dear Realsoft friends and specially greetings to Francois le Febvre from Marseille (?) and good old Tour de France Country! I love it!, sorry that you haven't won the soccer cup!!! I am be glad to hear about my troubles from a lightwave fan! Do you want to change to realsoft some day? So you can help me with my scripts and ideas! that's life with scripting or programming code lines isn't so easy, if you a) haven't time enough and b) without a serious learning course I have noticed the last month. Only learning by doing, this can help, but I have every week new questions and it would be easier to have a teacher in this special case to fix very fast my problems (there are at the moment only three or four). My colour xObjects Plugin is 90 per cent ready. I have two, three crashes with the scripts because of lot of trash (this is my task to fix it for the big issue of the colour script, then with a new "tabbed" switch menu and new functions!) in the script I have to delete it the next days. I don't know Pearl or Lua, it's not my idea to learn this one, but I have a lot of fun with _javascript_, although I have never heard it before, since some years the website (hompage) programming became more comfortabler just for beginners with _javascript_, frontpage, dreamwaver and so on... I will publish here the next days the fixed version of my "open beta" for the colour xObjects scripts, it's a pity, if I have the skills to build in all my ideas, it must be a big plugin, but I can wait and learn step by step. I know Lightwave and have heared that the scripts are very powerful, only I haven't enough time beside my "fulljob" to have a closer look for the scripts there (including Maya, Cinema etcpp). I LIKE and LOVE REALSOFT, strange behaviour, but super powerfully tools and you can change here everything with the software you like (buttons, menues, new functions, vsl shaders and a lot of more!). Realsoft doesnt need much RAM or machine power (Mhz), you can work with it on a middle class laptop or older one pentium, so I have bought it some years ago for my old 386 pc (!!!)) The whole learning and skills I have made the last months I can say it's great for understanding the realsoft 3d software at all, I like this one of learning and the users are quite good and very engaged guys!) So, I have made a break at work, more will come later. Have a nice week in marseille (we can change our workplaces, if you want!), best wishes to you and I am astounished you have a look to this forum from time to time, very good! Tschüss und Servus, Frank Brübach alias Frankolino (au revoir et á bientot) I have new included : - very small "properties id" gadget shows every action (move, rotate, scale and more) with a simple ID number of realsoft (I didn't know that such a interesting tool still exists!) - a new colour wheel, full functionable (still included in the open beta version) - a new calculate function buttons (22) and (23): here you can type in: "1+4" (add), then RETURN and the result you can see one line below "5", or type in "25*358" (multiply), RETURN, the result is: 8.950 ! you can calculate every math. function you want (so I have understand the calculate function from juha! - I am still looking for a good "vector" calculation to add two vectors or multiply it (for examples two spheres), so you can move or change their positions and scale it (for the next issue of the colour xObjects script) - and some unknown secrets, hide and seek PS: A sds knife tool will come with the big issue, an interactive knife tool I have found in ths _javascript_ folder of realsoft crashes realsoft 3d 5.1 as I have build it in my script at this moment ... cheerioprivate notice: I have copiedthis as a part of boris www.3ddart.org website, frankErweitern Sie FreeMail zu einem noch leistungsstrkeren E-Mail-Postfach!		Mehr Infos unter http://freemail.web.de/home/landingpad/?mc=021131

Re: Realman V1.19 available and the sun is shining

[Frank Brübach]

Dear richard, very good to see you are working for more updates :-) Great! I will check your new plugin in this weekend. The last link doesnt work, the new one (last post) runs for downloading !Good luck for more ideas and I say my respect to you for your big plugin for free, best regards, Frank Brübach from very sun shining germany. It will takes more than years for me to build such an interesting shader plugin ;-))) see youVon: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 14.07.06 02:54:44An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comBetreff: Re: Realman V1.19 availableLet me try that again. Why I keep typing realsoft3d.co.uk instead of realman3d.co.uk is a total mystery to me.Hi All,Realman V1.19 (Windows  Linux) is available for download from http://www.realman3d.co.ukThis release is a bug fix for crashes during multi-threaded rendering. Thanks to Arjo for reporting the bug and testing the initial fix. I've fixed it even more since then so don't blame Arjo if it still crashes :-)Regardsrichard.Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS!Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193

Re: for mark: Sorry about error plus new Picture :-) l ast: Here the new Colour xObjects Lite

[Frank Brübach]

Dear Mark, sorry about the image error (*.jpg) during running my "colour xObject script", perhaps (no, I am sure! :-))it was my mistake! Try to use this picture, copy it into the frankos-gadget-colour127a folder, nearly the same name of the jpg file (uhrg), I haven't change it into the zip folder, stressy moments. Please try it again, send a mail to me, if it runs, o.k.??? ;-) / best wishes, thank you for trying, Frank Brübach, have a nice day :-)Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 27.06.06 16:32:36An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comBetreff: Re: New Paint tool is my idea for the futures :-) Here the new "Colour xObjects Lite" ScriptPlugin f or RS 5.1 SP 3:-)At 11:07 AM 6/27/2006 +0200, you wrote:Dear Mark, try to check your "frankos-gadget-script_1.27" folder (unzip it to "scripting"), there you must find two colour scripts with two pictures :-)I checked that... keep getting the same error; the last thing that happens is the creation of the cone. The window isn't created :(thank you! :-) / Yesterday I have built in a calculate function (help from juha), a new colorwheel and and and... :-)RPL I doesn't know, it seem to be very "hardcore coding", not good for me amateur and beginner. _javascript_ is very powerful and I am very impressed of the possibilities to create new simple gadget with all the function you can image.Yes, RPL is pretty intimidating, but once you get used to the stack and the "Reverse Polish Notation" it's not that bad. I like the idea of expanding the vocabulary itself with new words, and I like the Stack. But yeah it's low-level, for example I remember I had to figure out all by myself how to set up arrays, that was undocumented (CREATE and DOES). That took days to figure out and of course I've completely forgotten how it works :(So, JS is probably the wisest choice.So I know, realsoft has build all important features (modelling, painting, vsl, uv, renderer, animation etcpp) of the programm with _javascript_. Only some month ago I have noticed it and with a big help of michael schmeling I have started with the nurbshelper script, I recognize the interpolator tool and have had an idea to create a simple tool for hairs, fur and such things, and later perhaps a fractal tree generator... ;-)plant generator? Animatable? WOW! :-) You will build it with nurbs? sds???Wait a minute, that's a huge task, I have no idea where to start! At "hello world" level I suppose.SDS would be best, I think... with proper UV coords for bark textures of course ;)I could recycle stuff from 'dustfrac', the V3 fractal generator, although the algorithms should be adapted for specific plant stuff.Here's an old V3 render from that script:http://www.xs4all.nl/~ath8n0r/fractal1.htmRendered on an Amiga! ;)It worked like this: select a base object and two points (offsets) in space, adjust parameters in the GUI and apply. It generated copies of the base object and rotated, scaled and translated them according to the offsets. It even was animatable but I never got that stable enough for practical use...A translation to V5 should be possible, 'll have a look at the code to refreshen my memory.Good luck with the scripting and thanks for the inspiration!-Mark HDer WEB.DE SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen!http://smartsurfer.web.de/?mc=100071=0071
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Re: for mark(2): Sorry about error plus new Picture :- ) l ast: Here the new Colour xObjects Lite

[Frank Brübach]

Hi Mark, super !:-) Thanks, because so I can improve my own mistakes, haha :-))), the next update for 1.28x is still under work, you will get it soon for testing... there are yet two bugs in my script, I have fixed it yesterday evening! ;-) sun is shining, I am so tired, but very good mood:-)))frank brübachVon: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 03.07.06 11:25:50An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comBetreff: Re: for mark: Sorry about error plus new Picture :-) l ast: Here the new "Colour xObjects Lite"At 10:57 AM 7/3/2006 +0200, you wrote:Dear Mark, sorry about the image error (*.jpg) during running my "colour xObject script", perhaps (no, I am sure! :-)) it was my mistake! Try to use this picture, copy it into the frankos-gadget-colour127a folder, nearly the same name of the jpg file (uhrg), I haven't change it into the zip folder, stressy moments. Please try it again, send a mail to me, if it runs, o.k.??? ;-) / best wishes, thank you for trying, Frank Brübach, have a nice day :-)Hi Frank,Yes, just as I was thinking it's a Windows problem (i"m running old w2000 sp4, should have mentioned that) I got it working! Nice GUI exercise ;)Thanks for taking the trouble,MarkVerschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS!Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193

QT: Looking for Corel Draw, Photoshop, DTP software for Linux?

[Frank Brübach]

Hi again, my current problem on my job: I have to look for DTP, Imagemanipulation Software, Corel Draw vector softwarefor Linux. I know Photoshop, Paint Shop Pro, Corel Draw andAdobe Illustrator. Suchsoftware programmsexists for Linux, but what about the Qualityof these programs like Gimp, Inkscape and more??? Does anybody can help me? It's just a problem for me to change for my job the operating system (I hate it ;-), but perhaps I will see the advantage of a software world changingif I understand the strange os of Linux some day ;-) Never did a learning lessons for linux before.I must do that horrible work and book a beginner course for Linux desktop and server systems...Glad to see some "tipps" for this case, frank brübachMit WEB.DE iNews werden Sie ber die Ergebnisse der wichtigsten WM-Begegnungenper SMS informiert: http://freemail.web.de/features/inews.htm/?mc=021202

Re: QT: Looking for Corel Draw, Photoshop, DTP software for Linux?

[Frank Brübach]

Thank you George and Frode, hi all, like a hide and seek game ;-))) good infos! xara has sent me follow infos:"We launched an Open Source project to bring Xara Xtreme to linux about 6 months ago. You can find the details and download the current version on our website at: www.xaraxtreme.org ", somy last infos of Xara ;-) of today.Iam lookingfor more infos about this unknown things, have a nice week-end, finishing now for this week! regards, frank brübachVon: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 30.06.06 14:24:49An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comBetreff: Re: QT: Looking for Corel Draw, Photoshop, DTP software for Linux?HiIs the question "what is available?" or "how good are the programs?"I find gimp robust and powerful enough for what I do.Have a look at Lightzone http://www.sonic.net/~rat/lightcrafts/It seems very powerful for photo purposes, and porpoises (you'll have to do their tutorial to get the joke)Some Windows programs work well under Wine (a way of running windows programs in Linux). Expressions3 works. Artrage2 works but you have to recompile Wine at the moment (thought I think the slightly crippled freeware version is ok without doing so). You also have to pay for Artrage but it's only 15 Euros and it's so totally brilliant you shouldn't resist.For vectors, apart from Expressions and the other freeware, I'm waiting for Xara Xtreme linux version to come out (XaraLX?). It's currently being developed. I haven't tried the betas.That's all I know :-) oh there is a linux version of XNView. Not as good as the Windows version unfortunately, unless it was updated recently.GeoOn Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:00:31 +0200, Frank Brübach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi again, my current problem on my job: I have to look for DTP,  Imagemanipulation Software, Corel Draw vector software for Linux. I know  Photoshop, Paint Shop Pro, Corel Draw and Adobe Illustrator. Such  software programms exists for Linux, but what about the Quality of these  programs like Gimp, Inkscape and more??? Does anybody can help me? It's  just a problem for me to change for my job the operating system (I hate  it ;-), but perhaps I will see the advantage of a software world  changing if I understand the strange os of Linux some day ;-) Never did  a learning lessons for linux before. I must do that horrible work and  book a beginner course for Linux desktop and server systems ... Glad to see some "tipps" for this case, frank brübach  Mit WEB.DE iNews werden Sie über die Ergebnisse der wichtigsten  WM-Begegnungen per SMS informiert:  *http://freemail.web.de/features/inews.htm/?mc=021202*  [http://freemail.web.de/features/inews.htm/?mc=021202]-- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/Mit WEB.DE iNews werden Sie ber die Ergebnisse der wichtigsten WM-Begegnungenper SMS informiert: http://freemail.web.de/features/inews.htm/?mc=021202

Re: New Paint tool is my idea for the futures :-) Here the new Colour xObjects Lite ScriptPlugin f or RS 5.1 SP 3:-)

[Frank Brübach]

Dear Mark, try to check your "frankos-gadget-script_1.27" folder (unzip it to "scripting"), there you must find two colour scripts with two pictures :-)thank you! :-) / Yesterday I have built in a calculate function (help from juha), a new colorwheel and and and... :-)RPL I doesn't know, it seem to be very "hardcore coding", not good for me amateur and beginner. _javascript_ is very powerful and I am very impressed of the possibilities to create new simple gadget with all the function you can image. So I know, realsoft has build all important features (modelling, painting, vsl, uv, renderer, animation etcpp) of the programm with _javascript_. Only some month ago I have noticed it and with a big help of michael schmeling I have started with the nurbshelper script, I recognize the interpolator tool and have had an idea to create a simple tool for hairs, fur and such things, and later perhaps a fractal tree generator... ;-)plant generator? Animatable? WOW! :-) You will build it with nurbs? sds??? - Damned good idea, but you will manage it with _javascript_, I am sure:-) It's a quite interesting stuff to build and create simple tools with it, perhaps in some month I can create my own first plugin with c++, I have heared it's much easier to make changes and to develop it with new tools, but I am not sure. I love and like _javascript_ and realsoft, I hate it the first time, nothing was going on and I have had one thousand crashes with realsoft, but after that you can program it more conentrate and take attention to it, to build the scripts more serious and get to a script line code with special own "laws", so I do it for me... I would like to create a paint tool for the future, the colour tool is one simple first step for it and I have learned a lot with it. Yesterday I have tried to fix two problems, after finishing it, I have three new ones... that's the crux with it (haha :-)))Hope you are fine, have a good day, more of the script will come in some days with a better gui, more power and and and...Frank Brübach, Germany (we win the world soccer cup!!!, 3:0 against brasilia in the final!!!) Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 26.06.06 23:51:27An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comBetreff: Re: Here the new "Colour xObjects Lite" ScriptPlugin f or RS 5.1 SP 3:-))Best greetings here to carlo, michael, zaug, timo, geo, alex, frank dodd and other guys they are playing and programming with realsoft, C++ /_javascript_ (like me!) so on, I hope we can learn a lot of each other. Realsoft is a very interesting software, you can change and manipulate nearly everything, if you know where you can find your scripts example or understand the sdk)). I love realsoft, the more I do and studying around with it...If you have any critics say it please, I need it and the tool should become better and better, that's my idea. Best regards from Germany, FrankolinoPS: Picture and zip file I send it here:-) Good weekendPPS: A description will follow later... (uff)Hats off to you Frankolino! It's sheer guts to tackle RS scripting ;)I gave up scripting after V4 came out and made V3's RPL obsolete. Not the RPL itself (which is really forth) but how to use it in RS._javascript_ is probably easier (I know it a little bit) and less prone to becoming obsolete, so perhaps it's still worth to learn it... I think it's perfectly suitable to develop for example a plant generator. Animatable :)I got an error with your script, maybe a wrong installation; something like../scripts/js/plugins/dtype/jpeg/r3jpeg.js:33:cannot create object(Error:r3mainw:7987)Probably has to do with the images for the interface?Thanks  sorry about the late reply,Mark HMit WEB.DE iNews werden Sie ber die Ergebnisse der wichtigsten WM-Begegnungenper SMS informiert: http://freemail.web.de/features/inews.htm/?mc=021202

Re: Screenshot of the Colour ScriptPlugin :-)

[Frank Brübach]

Hi Frank Dodd, first of all Thanks to you!!!, because without your great "building blocks" I have never started with making some new scripts tools :-) !!! You can download the "Colour xObjects script 1.27a" from this mail list ;-) / There are many ideas with this scripts, it's just the first release, the next will come with a better gui and more functions, calculations button(perhaps you can help me!), more coloured objects and perhaps a simple "paint" function, but I need more knowledge about that and one free month to learn it! :-)) / Make please critics for my colour script, I need it to improve it ;-) I will insert a "tabb" function to switch the gui, it's better... :-) I have used your print function code (sun and moon script!) for my calculation button, it's working very well :-Hope you are fine and you are making progress with your house and your profess. projects. Best wishes to you and your family, Frank Brübach, Germany, WitzenhausenVon: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 23.06.06 10:07:37An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comBetreff: Re: Screenshot of the Colour ScriptPlugin :-)Great Work on your Color Objects tool Frank! Its nice to see how these things build up.Frank "The Rookie" DoddFrank Brübach wrote: dear realsoft friends again: Ok, here a little picture of the last  day, a screenshot of the Colour xObjects Tool. The GUI ist too big, I  know, but I will find a better solution :-) / Enjoy and use it, if you  like simple colour changings and some new ideas, make critics, or you  can delete it immediately, if you want it :-)) bye, best wishes to all  realsoft friends, Frank Brübach, Witzenhausen-- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/373 - Release Date: 22/06/2006Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS!Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193

Re: picture two with the view window mistake

[Frank Brübach]

Hi Matthias, you have had exactly the same problem ;-) It's not a problem of Realsoft, but Lightwave and Realsoft on the same machine, might be impossible. The GUI will be nearly destroyed if you are running both programs or work with it. I wanted to import some *.obj files from Lightwave 8.3 into Realsoft V5, but after that the handles were missing, the dark gui without the beautiful rs gui appears and nothing seems to be like before. It's a problem of the registry, I agree to you, I will proof it today or tomorrow, I will send you a email here, if I have success with it. Otherside I will delete LW 8 and start with the old 7.5 version and try it again to import *.obj files in Realsoft V5. Very crazy behaviour! :-)) Thanks a lot Matthias, Frank Brübach Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 19.06.06 17:49:58An: <USER-LIST@LIGHT.REALSOFT3D.COM>Betreff: Re: picture two with the view window mistakeHi Frank,is it this: Hi all, I've a big problem. I've destroyed my RS-Gui. Most entries in the windows regitry-tree: HKEY_CURRENT_USERSoftwareRealsoftRealsoft3D.01 3root seem wrong to me. Is it possible for someone to export this treepart and send it to me: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Many thanks, Matthias==I'll sent you a reg-file.On my side this came up in conjunction with the LW-Modeler.Matthias- Original Message -From: Frank BrübachTo: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comSent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:53 PMSubject: picture two with the view window mistakeI send here the next picture with the dark view window start up or loading my last file ;-) frank brübachErweitern Sie FreeMail zu einem noch leistungsstärkeren E-Mail-Postfach!Mehr Infos unter http://freemail.web.de/home/landingpad/?mc=021131Der WEB.DE SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen!http://smartsurfer.web.de/?mc=100071=0071

Re: OT Inspiration - a few terrains for all to play with

[Frank Brübach]

Dear Adrian, first of all, thank you for the very nice landscapes :-) / What is the scale factor to import this file into realsoft? I have done some new experience with importing *.obj and other import files into realsoft, but whithout the right scale factor, for example your landscapes :-) / In Lightwave or Cinema it's impossible without any problems, but I have got a very big import picture for realsoft, it looks like an alien space ship ;-) / Dummy question: Therethere any other import possibilities for terrains and landscapes(terragen, vue, xfrog) than the "import" functionthey are working perfectly with realsoft?Thanks again for the beautiful pictures, Frank BrübachVon: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 16.06.06 13:05:03An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comBetreff: Re: OT Inspiration - a few terrains for all to play withHi Guys,Heres a quick contribution to this Landscape topic - 3 quick OBJ Terrain exports from VUE Infinite. I tried these at various Poly amount exports. At a few 1000 polys - when imported into RS - the app slowed to an unusable state. Worse when rendering. In Vue, terrain export I kept lowering the poly amounts until I found that the "Number of polys exported" set to 1310 seemed to be an amount that RS was happy with. A balance between complexity and size:http://www.tidalsound.com/3dstuff/terrains.zip [ 71k ]In the zip file are three objs [ I use RS v 5, so did the objs so as all could load them regardless of RS version, I hope .. ]Unzip, open new file in RS. In the select window on the left [ default environment ] under the Geometric Objects tab [ first tab ], right click and Paste from a file, then select one of the three terrains that you just unzipped and Open. It should appear in your view window. Before anything else - select the mesh, go to the Methods Menu up top, Sub Division Surface and Merge Triangles to Quadrangles. This Un triangulates Vues exported mesh to quads [ 4 sided polys ]. Now [ with the mesh still selected ] - Click and hold the right mouse button, drag down and select Smooth from the "compass type menu" that appears - this gets rid of the poly look, smooths the mesh. Now render.Bring all three objs into the above project and try texturing etc.I think - even at 1310 polys and smooth mode, the terrains look refined enough and useable without causing RS to struggle. AND my explanation above is as close to a dummies guide to include all, ignore the above RS guru's :)CheersAidanAt 09:35 16/06/2006, you wrote:Hi Mark..That looks really cool..!My imagination might be abit too far out.. but I can almost imagine an ultra cool minigolf course...!Will be very intresting to see more of your work on this..landscapeshader and so on..!Thx for sharing..!Its very inspiring..Take CareBest RegardsStefan Gustafsson ( Beg-inner )A Proud Owner and User of Real3D and Realsoft3D..I'll upload the latest rendering in... 01:21:16 according to the progress bar ;)That was too optimistic, but there it finally is:http://www.xs4all.nl/~ath8n0r/div/holes04.jpgFar from perfect, but at least the scope stuff is functioning as expected.more to follow,MarkDer WEB.DE SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen!http://smartsurfer.web.de/?mc=100071=0071

Re: A few terrains for all to play with == RS to Vue!

[Frank Brübach]

Hi Aidan, short message back to you:) - Good pictures with streetvue! Never tried it before to import/export pictures from realsoft to vue and back. Therefore I have too less experience with these massive polygon files from vue or other landscape software (trees, djungle, water, a mountain with grass and animalsand so on...) I cannot say what is easier to handle, to build everything with one software or to mix several software, if you like natural 3d graphics and rendering pictures. I am thinking it does make sense of course, but I am getting always head attaches, if I must work with three or four software apps :-))I would like to see that realsoft become more and easier to work with other 3d animation software and rendering software, vue and xfrog are some examples, lightwave and cinema, terragain, worlbuilder proare perhaps other possibilities, but I know since I am playing around with _javascript_s and realsoft it's a very hard work to program export or import files! - Respect for the genius work of the vesa brothers, I can only repeat it, realsoft it's a damned good software (better than cinema, lightwave), if you understood the structure of the software deep and the whole power of vsl, modeling, animations and rendering section. But this are quite other themes ;-)Thanks for your reply, more later, I have to fix realsoft, I am believing, it's not a driver or graphic card problem. Best wishes to you, Frank Brübach :-)Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 20.06.06 14:28:38An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comBetreff: Re: OT Inspiration - a few terrains for all to play with == RS to Vue!Hi Frank,No prob. These terrains were only fast obj outputs from Vue InfiniteTerrain Editor. Mess around with the scale factor in the RS File / Import/ OBJ option box - I set the scale factor to 0.008. All waswell.Relating to a previous mail from Mark on this. I tried bringing in morecomplex objs with more outcrops and less smooth type real mountainfeatures, but RS croaked at the mesh size from Vue. Somehow Vue canhandle massive poly counts with relative ease.At the moment I decided to try the opposite direction - models from RS toVue using OBJ and the "Export Object Hierarchy" option ticked.This created an OBJ file that imported into VUE with separate parts fortexturing in Vue. AND by ticking the "SDS Objects to Triangles"- I ended up with smooth rounded edges in Vue also - on arches etc. Hereare a few quick test pics:http://tidalsound.com/3dstuff/streetvue.jpgNote the poly shaped arches - without "SDS Objects toTriangles" ticked when exportinghttp://tidalsound.com/3dstuff/streetvue2.jpgNo more poly arches, nice and rounded. This - once the mesh was exportedfrom RS with "SDS Objects to Triangles"http://tidalsound.com/3dstuff/streetvue3.jpgHere I added a tree in Vue - not scaled properlyAll these are just tests. The foreground street with arches on leftand further back is from RS:http://tidalsound.com/3dstuff/street2b.jpgThe top three VUE Street scenes are using basic GI Render inVue,AND - before anyone says this - YES I know one could do all this in RSONLY. But VUE is a SPECIALIST app for terrains and vegetation AND handleshigh veg poly counts with ease. I find nothing wrong with having RStalking with other apps or visa versa. Especially where specialist areasare involved. If an external tool does it better or faster - so what. Aworkmans toolbox contains more than one screwdriver type :)CheersAidanAt 12:41 20/06/2006, you wrote:Dear Adrian, first of all, thankyou for the very nice landscapes :-) / What is the scale factor to importthis file into realsoft? I have done some new experience with importing*.obj and other import files into realsoft, but whithout the right scalefactor, for example your landscapes :-) / In Lightwave or Cinema it'simpossible without any problems, but I have got a very big import picturefor realsoft, it looks like an alien space ship ;-) / Dummy question: There there any other import possibilities for terrainsand landscapes (terragen, vue, xfrog) than the "import"function they are working perfectly with realsoft?Thanks again for the beautiful pictures, Frank BrübachVon: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 16.06.06 13:05:03An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comBetreff: Re: OT Inspiration - a few terrains for all to playwithHi Guys,Heres a quick contribution to this Landscape topic - 3 quick OBJ Terrainexports from VUE Infinite. I tried these at various Poly amount exports.At a few 1000 polys - when imported into RS - the app slowed to an unusablestate. Worse when rendering. In Vue, terrain export I kept lowering thepoly amounts until I found that the "Number of polys exported"set to 1310 seemed to be an amount that RS was happy with. A balance betweencomplexity and size:http://www.tidalsound.com/3dstuff/terrains.zip[ 71k ]In the zip file are three objs [ I use RS v 5, so did the objs so as all could load them regardless of RS version,

problems with startup view windows after *.obj loading

[Frank Brübach]

dear realsoft friends, two days ago I have tried to import a *.obj file for realsoft. after that I have this crazy dark startup view window, all objects are black (although there are many objects, lightsource and so on...) until I click them in the select window, the objects will activated and shown in the view window. Picture with this mistake I send it here. Perhaps its a problem for realsoft to import *.obj files (lightwave, landscape files), doesnt know. best regards, frank brübachVerschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS!Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193
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picture two with the view window mistake

[Frank Brübach]

I send here the next picture with the dark view window start up or loading my last file ;-) frank brübachErweitern Sie FreeMail zu einem noch leistungsstrkeren E-Mail-Postfach!		Mehr Infos unter http://freemail.web.de/home/landingpad/?mc=021131
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Re: New ColorChanging Scriptplugin work in progress and need help:-)

[Frank Brübach]

Hi all and good news to other guys here including the curious people, they never worked with _javascript_, plugins and all the other strange things, that really function with realsoft 3d v 5.1 Some news about my "colour xObjects" script plugin. I have included new functions, even a calculator try, but I think it will take some days to make it perfect. The function buttons does run, where I have done a number before it, the other functions will be ready with the "full version", I will release first of all a "lite" version of the colour tool script. It's a simple tool, not so cool like the nurbshelper script plugin, but you can play with it and learn a few, if you like it . One picture I send it with this post. Have a nice week and I can only say, _javascript_ is a powerful language, it's for me easier to learn than C++ for example. Beside that, I am not a professional technical realsoft user, but an advanced beginner It would be great to see more of good script tools for Realsoft, on the one hand: so you can learn a lot with this tools and of course it brings Realsoft to a bigger usergroup and on the other hand the little script plugintools make Realsoft of course better.Have all a nice week and see you later here, the first issue I will release very soon, please doesn't expect too much, this is a really “simple” tool, Frank Brübach, Germany (hope the picture file I send is not to big for the lightforum) Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 01.06.06 14:36:27An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comBetreff: New ColorChanging Scriptplugin "work in progress" and need help:-)Hi all realsoft users here in the forum :-) Finally the first issue of my "ColorChanger" (for a cube, sphere, cone) is near and I am still in a special working progress. I attach a picture below these lines. - If you start the "ColorChanger" script you can change the colours of a cube, sphere and a cone by sliders. The "Colorpicker" does function and you can add a color of the picker on every object you are creating. Thanks a lot for helping to Robert and Juha, some weeks and month ago :-))) Because I am learning step by step with the scripts, I need my own time to realize my ideas. / / You can do at this early situation of the first betaversion a lot with the Color Scriptplugin, I will release it soon, if I have found a solution for the rendering preview or it must build in at a later date. - Have a good week, if anybody can help, do it! Best regards, Frankolin, Germany PS: I need four, five engaged realsoft people they can test the scriptplugin and have time enough for it. I will fix some problems this weeks, then I can start to release the first version (Build: 1.26a) :-) Nice days from raining and snowing Germany!!!Der WEB.DE SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen!http://smartsurfer.web.de/?mc=100071distributionid=0071Erweitern Sie FreeMail zu einem noch leistungsstrkeren E-Mail-Postfach!		Mehr Infos unter http://freemail.web.de/home/landingpad/?mc=021131

the current picture of the colour xObjects script plugin ;-)

[Frank Brübach]

O.k. here the picture of my last day screenshot of the colour xObjects script plugin, best regards, Frank BrübachDer WEB.DE SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen!http://smartsurfer.web.de/?mc=100071=0071

Re: Respect! - Tim Borgman on the CGSociety Newsletter

[Frank Brübach]

Hi Tim, more than a respectable perfect work! :-) Congratulations for the winning award! - Good to see, that awared winning pictures are made with Realsoft 3D!!! :-) This is the only and best advertising for Realsoft worldwide over the very closed user group of the very engaged, nice realsoft guys and girls ;-) / Do you have rendered your "milk" shader (XSI example) picture with realsoft too??? Would be nice to see also that rendering image for realsoft, haha... :-))) / RESPECT! I like it very much, give us more of these fantastic realsoft images, beste Grüße nach Wuppertal, Frank Brübach, WitzenhausenVon: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 08.06.06 20:51:51An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comBetreff: Tim Borgman on the CGSociety NewsletterCongradutions in getting on the Hot CG Portfolios section of the news letter Tim, its well deserved.http://bt3d.cgsociety.org/gallery/Regards,Frank "The Rookie" Dodd-- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - Release Date: 02/06/2006Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS!Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193

Re: Bernie :-)) - Looking for a simple VSL Tutorial :-)

[Frank Brübach]

Dear Bernie, of course, dear David Coombes:-) WOW! That's it, I have never seen it before such great Realsoft inofpages about Raytraycing, Colors,Colorchannel, Reflections and more. Many thanks, shake your hands! :-) / Have a nice day, see you, Frank Brübach, Germany Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 09.05.06 15:26:40An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comBetreff: Re: for timo - Looking for a simple VSL Tutorial :-)G'day Frank - Question: What is "color" or how it is defined in Realsoft?I may be stating the obvious - but has everyone seen the main realsoft resource - the Render Daemon ?Its not been updated for some time, and has found a new home at http://realsoft.info/ - but the information there is as relevant as it was at the time.In answer to your question - have a look at some of the _excellent_ articles by David Coombes explaining how RS does its thing. Read it online at:http://realsoft.info/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=indexreq=viewarticleartid=30page=1RegardsBernieRender DaemonSMS schreiben mit WEB.DE FreeMail - einfach, schnell undkostenguenstig. Jetzt gleich testen! http://f.web.de/?mc=021192

Re: for Richard again - New version of Realman for Win dows and Linux!!

[Frank Brübach]

Hi, dear Richard, I send it to your e-mail adress :-) Best thanks, perhaps you can help, I am still running in a closed circle with no exit door :-))) Yes, I can understand that Realman Script is quite different to _javascript_ :-) Hope you can finde your bugs or problems in your current Realman Version. I have downloaded it again, now with no problem. I will try it today or tomorrow, if I have problems or crashes I will contact you here. Have a nice sunny shining day, good luck :-) Frank Brübach Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 09.05.06 15:43:10An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comBetreff: Re: for Richard - New version of Realman for Windows and Linux!!Frank Brübach wrote: Dear Richard, first good work! :-) / Second: Cannot download the new  Realman script ;-) at this moment (yesterday, today).. - What is "color"? I would like to change the color of a cube (red  cube) by a slider. I have got a lot of error input in my _javascript_,  "color" not defined... - Color is included with "oops/color.js" so far  as I know. If I will set a new Color to an object, this "color" isn't  defined, color = new r3Vect(0,0,0), color = new r3Floatcolor(0)???,  colorRGBA = new r4Vect(0,0,0); ? --- Such thing "Surface.Color = color(0.7, 0.3, 0.25);" does work only  with explaining the colorchannel separately in the script? or can I do  this with a simple Cube.SetColor = new r3Vect(1.0, 0.0, 0.0); and then  I can say by a "slider" function (float), that the color should change  into another red color? (value 255  125 perhaps)... Perhaps I will  send you my script and my problem... ;-) If you have time at the  moment... Good luck for Realman, first of all! :-), Servus and best  regards from Germany, Frank BrübachHi Frank,There is a big difference between a Realman script and _javascript_s - they have different purposes and different syntax.Please do sent me the _javascript_ that is giving you trouble - I'm no expert but am happy to look at it for you.Regardsrichard.SMS schreiben mit WEB.DE FreeMail - einfach, schnell undkostenguenstig. Jetzt gleich testen! http://f.web.de/?mc=021192

Re: for timo - Looking for a simple VSL Tutorial :-)

[Frank Brübach]

Hi Timo, I have thougthto the RGB Curve Gadget in the vsl editor, but I think I can build now simple vsl structures with copper and gold, I have had tried it some minutes yesterday afternoon, may be, I can understand it by building simple materials with gold or copper. Haven't much time this week, but at the week end I will make some more experience with the vsl tool and the imposant editor. - I will take contact to you again, if I have problems or closer questions to the vsl tool :-) best regards, thank you! bye and "servus", Frank BrübachVon: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 09.05.06 16:57:58An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comBetreff: Re: for timo - Looking for a simple VSL Tutorial :-)I'm not sure if I understand what you want to do with the curves... what do they use as input?For simple stuff like metals you can just copy the gold material and adjust the colors.On 09/05/06, Frank Brübach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Dear Timo, great! :-) I would like to see or get more informations about a simple VSL color with a) a shiny or/and rost material, a curve gadget to manipulate the attributes (specular, brigthness, reflection, transparence - here later for a water vsl material;-) But it will be useful for me to get a simple shiny colorlike gold, copper, steel and so on, how I can make some new attributes to the properties to the colorchannel. This could help me a lot :-), have a good day and see you later, best regards, if there are any questions, please ask, Frank Brübach Question: What is "color" or how it is defined in Realsoft? / new r3Vect(0,0,0); or new r3Vect4(0,0,0); Color = new Color(0); Red.Color = new r3Vect(1.0, 0.0, 0.0) ??? Color will include "oops/color.js" so far as I know, isn'it? - ButI need probably a colorchannel to make changes to the color I wish (RGBA, Red, Green, Blue, Alpha)... There a some more questions for my "colorize-it" script, haha... :-) (must laugh)... Have a nice day, thanks for your help ! Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 08.05.06 18:10:45An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comBetreff: Re: Looking for a simple VSL Tutorial :-)Just tell me what the tutorial should be about and I'll cook something up to the wiki.A tutorial that'd give a visual representation of all the functions would take quite a while, but now that it popped up I wonder why I haven't thought of it before...On 08/05/06, Frank Brübach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Dear RS friends, I would like to learn more about the VSL functions of realsoft. Is there any good, easy to understand, vsl tutorial of a realsoft user the last two, three years? I have had a vsl tutorial for realsoft 4.5, but my old intel machine doesn't run anymore :-) Little problem... then I will on the oneside build a new shader for water and transparent material, the other side a "vsl button" for my next issue of my "colorize-it"learning script, it becomes more and more... :-) Have a nice day, best regards, Frank Brübach, Germany SMS schreiben mit WEB.DE FreeMail - einfach, schnell undkostenguenstig. Jetzt gleich testen! http://f.web.de/?mc=021192SMS schreiben mit WEB.DE FreeMail - einfach, schnell undkostenguenstig. Jetzt gleich testen! http://f.web.de/?mc=021192SMS schreiben mit WEB.DE FreeMail - einfach, schnell undkostenguenstig. Jetzt gleich testen! http://f.web.de/?mc=021192

Re: for timo - Looking for a simple VSL Tutorial :-)

[Frank Brübach]

Dear Timo, great! :-) I would like to see or get more informations about a simple VSL color with a) a shiny or/and rost material, a curve gadget to manipulate the attributes (specular, brigthness, reflection, transparence - here later for a water vsl material;-) But it will be useful for me to get a simple shiny colorlike gold, copper, steel and so on, how I can make some new attributes to the properties to the colorchannel. This could help me a lot :-), have a good day and see you later, best regards, if there are any questions, please ask, Frank Brübach Question: What is "color" or how it is defined in Realsoft? / new r3Vect(0,0,0); or new r3Vect4(0,0,0); Color = new Color(0); Red.Color = new r3Vect(1.0, 0.0, 0.0) ??? Color will include "oops/color.js" so far as I know, isn'it? - ButI need probably a colorchannel to make changes to the color I wish (RGBA, Red, Green, Blue, Alpha)... There a some more questions for my "colorize-it" script, haha... :-) (must laugh)... Have a nice day, thanks for your help ! Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 08.05.06 18:10:45An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comBetreff: Re: Looking for a simple VSL Tutorial :-)Just tell me what the tutorial should be about and I'll cook something up to the wiki.A tutorial that'd give a visual representation of all the functions would take quite a while, but now that it popped up I wonder why I haven't thought of it before...On 08/05/06, Frank Brübach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Dear RS friends, I would like to learn more about the VSL functions of realsoft. Is there any good, easy to understand, vsl tutorial of a realsoft user the last two, three years? I have had a vsl tutorial for realsoft 4.5, but my old intel machine doesn't run anymore :-) Little problem... then I will on the oneside build a new shader for water and transparent material, the other side a "vsl button" for my next issue of my "colorize-it"learning script, it becomes more and more... :-) Have a nice day, best regards, Frank Brübach, Germany SMS schreiben mit WEB.DE FreeMail - einfach, schnell undkostenguenstig. Jetzt gleich testen! http://f.web.de/?mc=021192SMS schreiben mit WEB.DE FreeMail - einfach, schnell undkostenguenstig. Jetzt gleich testen! http://f.web.de/?mc=021192

Re: for Richard - New version of Realman for Windows and Linux!!

[Frank Brübach]

Dear Richard, first good work! :-) / Second: Cannot download the new Realman script ;-) at this moment (yesterday, today)...- What is "color"? I would like to change the color of a cube (red cube) by a slider. I have got a lot of error input in my _javascript_, "color" not defined... - Color is included with "oops/color.js" so far as I know. If I will set a new Color to an object, this "color" isn't defined, color = new r3Vect(0,0,0), color = new r3Floatcolor(0)???, colorRGBA = new r4Vect(0,0,0); ? ---Such thing "Surface.Color = color(0.7, 0.3, 0.25);" does work only with explaining the colorchannel separately in the script? or can I do this with a simple Cube.SetColor = new r3Vect(1.0, 0.0, 0.0); and then I can say by a "slider" function (float), that the color should change into another red color? (value 255  125 perhaps)... Perhaps I will send you my script and my problem... ;-) If you have time at the moment... Good luck for Realman, first of all! :-), Servus and best regards from Germany, Frank BrübachVon: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 06.05.06 16:08:56An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comBetreff: Re: New version of Realman for Windows and Linux!!Timo Mikkolainen wrote: I'm trying to use the rayrtacer, but it always crashes at render: float frefl, frefr;raytracer ray;vector vrefl, vrefr; shader MaterialInitialization(){ ray.randomness = 0.5;  ray.weightByAngle = FALSE; ray.sideCheck = FALSE; ray.rayCount =  1;} shader SurfaceProperties(){ Surface.Color = (0.0, 0.0, 0.0);  fresnel( Surface.Ray, Surface.Normal, 0.6,  frefl, frefr, vrefl, vrefr);} shader SurfaceFinishing(){ Surface.Illumination +=  ray.trace( Surface.Coordinates, vrefl,  color(frefl)); Surface.Illumination += ray.trace(  Surface.Coordinates, vrefr, color(frefr));} On 02/05/06, Richard Swingwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi  All, Version 1.15 of Realman is now available for download from  http://realman3d.co.uk Both Windows and Linux (i386) platforms are  now supported. Enjoy! richard.Fixed in V1.16Timo, please note that the line in your scriptSurface.Color = (0.0, 0.0, 0.0);by chance works as you intend [ because it is parsed as Surface.Color = 0.0; ] but is not really valid syntax. For example:Surface.Color = (0.7, 0.3, 0.25);would not give the desired result - it should beSurface.Color = color(0.7, 0.3, 0.25);This is obviously a bug in the compiler that will be sorted in the future.Regardsrichard.SMS schreiben mit WEB.DE FreeMail - einfach, schnell undkostenguenstig. Jetzt gleich testen! http://f.web.de/?mc=021192

Looking for a simple VSL Tutorial :-)

[Frank Brübach]

Dear RS friends, I would like to learn more about the VSL functions of realsoft. Is there any good, easy to understand, vsl tutorial of a realsoft user the last two, three years? I have had a vsl tutorial for realsoft 4.5, but my old intel machine doesn't run anymore :-) Little problem... then I will on the oneside build a new shader for water and transparent material, the other side a "vsl button" for my next issue of my "colorize-it"learning script, it becomes more and more... :-) Have a nice day, best regards, Frank Brübach, Germany SMS schreiben mit WEB.DE FreeMail - einfach, schnell undkostenguenstig. Jetzt gleich testen! http://f.web.de/?mc=021192

Re: New version of Realman for Windows and Linux!!

[Frank Brübach]

Dear Richard, great to see that you have built a new version. As I have a timelack at the moment I will test it the next days :-) I have to less knowledge with the vsl handling until today, but perhaps I can learn with this tool more. - If I have understood, the user must check the vsl path to insert a *.c file??? I have tried it very short yesterday with the "simplestriper" c-file, it works:-) And your tool appears on my opened popup vsl window;-) - But I haven't had looked at your description, I need it do, to understand the whole power of the tool I can imagine :-)Good luck andsuper work. Respect! :-) Lightyears from my little script works at the moment, but I will learn step by step with _javascript_ :-) later I will have a certain look for my Colorize it Tool and VSL and much more. It's a great bundle of unknown area for me, haha... :-) (must laughing)...Best wishes to you and hope the tool is running well, best regards, Frank Brübach, GermanyVon: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 04.05.06 08:30:52An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comBetreff: Re: New version of Realman for Windows and Linux!!Arjo Rozendaal wrote: The splat script is one I like very much. One strange issue though: As soon as I hit the render button RS crashes. Does this have to do with the errors about missing or wrong classes? Hi Arjo,This is a bug. I will sort it out and upload a new version soon.Regardsrichard.SMS schreiben mit WEB.DE FreeMail - einfach, schnell undkostenguenstig. Jetzt gleich testen! http://f.web.de/?mc=021192

Re: New own projects and SV: Windows XP - different us ers, different Realsoft

[Frank Brübach]

Dear Chris, oh yes, good idea;-), but "P" doesn't work not at all if you have problems with the properties and attributes by double clicking in the selected window, I have tried that too:-). The other tricks are good! :-) thank you, see you again here, frank brübach, have a nice week end and "Frohe Ostern"! :-)) Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 12.04.06 07:09:47An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comBetreff: Re: New own projects and SV: Windows XP - different users, different RealsoftLet's not forget Frank Dodd's famous trick of hitting 'P' to activate the Properties window, then, in succession, "alt', 'down arrow', 'm', 'down arrow', then move your mouse and you should see the outline of the window at your mouse point. Works also for the view window.chris mungenastArjo Rozendaal wrote: Hi Frank,  Force to screen solves the problem when you migrate a file from a dual  monitor setup to a single monitor workstation. If a window was on the  second screen it would not show on the single monitor system. It was  out of reach so to speek.  Arjo.  "force to screen" (by the way: what is that? haha..:-)),SMS schreiben mit WEB.DE FreeMail - einfach, schnell undkostenguenstig. Jetzt gleich testen! http://f.web.de/?mc=021192

Re: New own projects and SV: Windows XP - different us ers, different Realsoft

[Frank Brübach]

Dear Hans, Arjo and all, George too:-)), I have had the same problem two weeks ago. I have installed WinXP SP 2, than re-installed Realsoft 5.1 SP 2 and nothing happened with the properties windows by double clicking in the select window. I wondered why? ;-) Now I have changed the realsoft startup method to "force to screen" (by the way: what is that? haha..:-)), now realsoft runs as well as I wish. Super. The first time I have had a problem and onother user can solve it at the same time. Thank you! - Other projects I have started with a colour script, the staircase generator will takes some weeks, I am involved with private things and have only just a few minutes at the weekend to make up my mind ;-) for new realoft plugins or modelling tools:-), cheers from Germany, Frank Brübach (www.realworld-3d.de), the realsoft section and column of my website will added with some more infos in a couple of days :-))A summer special photographie I attached :-) I miss the warm weather here in good old and "WM soccer crazy Germany"Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 09.04.06 21:05:55An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comBetreff: Re: SV: Windows XP - different users, different RealsoftHans, ArjoThanks. I deleted the directory and all's well again. CUsing Hans' method as well just in case :-)GeorgeHans wrote: Hi I'm sometimes use Realsoft SE as found on a coverdisk - it's the nearly full windows Realsoft 5 with a few limitations. For some reason I can no longer get it to show the property window by double clicking on an object in the select window (though it still comes up if you do Windows-Geometric Properties). I've uninstalled, and reinstalled but no change. But when I run it from another user it works as normal. I can't find any application data specific to Realsoft in the user directories. Does anyone know what I might have changed, or what I can do to change back. I don't want to run Realsoft in my kid's session as there is a scary lego screensaver. Ta George  Hi, I had the same problem, I fixed it by clicking on "Startup Options"/"Start Opts" in the Realsoft3d folder, clicked on "force to screen". Hopefully this will help you get the property window back. /Hans  SMS schreiben mit WEB.DE FreeMail - einfach, schnell undkostenguenstig. Jetzt gleich testen! http://f.web.de/?mc=021192

Re: earth bump map + to Neil again - New StairwaysGene rator Project, part two

[Frank Brübach]

Thank you very much, dear Neil, I will check it today! :-) Besides this I have an idea to create a "colorize it" script, perhaps I can include this idea for the "spiral staircase" modelling tool! :-))) More later, I have some stress this week in a privatley way (parents, girl friend, all friendly people are ill in these cold and rainy days :-) Have a nice week and stay healthy!, best wishes Frank Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 31.03.06 18:18:38An: <USER-LIST@LIGHT.REALSOFT3D.COM>Betreff: Re: earth bump map + to Neil again - New StairwaysGenerator Project, part twoHi Frank,SDS handrail idea attached.Neil Cooke- Original Message - From: Frank Brübach To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 9:02 PMSubject: Re: earth bump map + to Neil again - New StairwaysGenerator Project, part twoHi Neil, hi all realsoft friends, many thanks, that hints will help me:-)) I have build a new scene with a staircase, this time with some rail cylinder and shining material, even a earth bump map into a sphere with reflections material (by the way: How can I change the "brightness" of a color? Through the ColorWindow of a xobject? RGB values and so on, I have found it, but don't know if its the right way!). - I have tried the rotator object, but without great efforts, I will try it again because of a time lack, I will check it at the week-end. I have some difficult to build a rounded rail, banister leading up to the top of the treads (with nurbs, analytic zylinder and so on), but there must be an easier way, the rail should makes a bendform and the "height" of the rail should be changed too :-) I have to do some experience with it, of course :-) - Have a nice week end, more next week, good luck for your projects, Frank Brübach, Germany"Mein Deutsch ist kaputt", better: "Mein Deutsch ist nicht so toll" ;-)))Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 29.03.06 13:16:48An: <USER-LIST@LIGHT.REALSOFT3D.COM>Betreff: Re: to Neil - New StairwaysGenerator Project, part twoHi Frank,The spiral staircase from my link was all analytics apart from the nurbs handrail. Everything else in that image is SDS.I guess you know all this but just in case ... Stairs in houses or anywhere are built to exact tread to riser ratios. Handrails are also part of those ratios. The main factor is the angle of the staircase but the formula must be followed if humans are going to use the stairs. If you have in mind a tool for architectural drafting then this formula would need to be included. There are many different fomulae but they all get the same sort of results.Spiral staircases have their own rules but a design factor is that there must be enough head height usually within three quarters of a circle of rising steps. This means, for example, that treads/risers of22.5 degrees slope need 16 steps in a circle. 30 degrees can have 12 or 13 in a circle.Interior stairs between about 30 degrees and 50 degrees follow the formula for treads of 20 minus (4 x riser divided by 3). And risers would be 15 minus (3 x tread divided by 4). For handicapped people and for most institutions the slope of stairs is down nearer the 30 degrees end of this range.A25mm or so nosing is also part of step design.The point is that for an architectural tool one might only need to enter the height between landings and distance from the leading edge of the top and bottom steps and the whole thing would be drawn except for how wide the stairs are going to be. Some variation of inputmight be set-up toapply to spiral stairs.Sorry, mein deutsch ist kaput, Neil Cooke- Original Message - From: Frank Brübach To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 10:08 PMSubject: Re: to Neil - New StairwaysGenerator Project, part twoDear Neil, hi all, good idea with the staircase building from your picture :-) You have modelled the scene with analytic or sds polygons? - Yes, thats right, this way will do it. I will write a script to make different steps (staircases), aspiral banister and different distance to the staircases, different step heights, depth, angles of the stairs to each others and so on... A sphere on the top (bottom) at the staircase, later I will animate the scene with the sphere. - Every possibility I will integrate into the script and modelling building. That will takes some time (my free time;-)), but I have the idea some weeks ago and want to realize it. Your spiral staircase with banisterand rosty material is very good, such things I want to create. With the script you can change the values of all, so you can modelling a staircase in a very different way and can do new shapes of staircases (I would like it to you in german, haha...). So you can build very fast various staircaseforms for a house, architecture buildings, a garden with a staircase for the penthouse ... or a playing field for children ("Kinderspielplatz") and "Kind

Re: To Daniel - La Wendel - New StairwaysGenerator P roject, part two

[Frank Brübach]

Hi Daniel, so I learn still french idioms in these days ! :-)) haha..., "Wendeltreppe" sounds quite dangereous, I like it, but I thought every word or idea has to transfer in english language. Perhaps I will change the name of the script! and modelling project after this second tipp from neil and you! - Many thanks!!! / Do you wish any functions or have an idea what you would like to see for the spiral staircase (Wendeltreppe)? - Perhaps I can build this... I am just learning simple _javascript_ orders and want to include it into the staircase project step by step. I will open it for the forum here of course! :-)) in a regularly way and talking about the status quo. Learning with realsoft with simple exercises or projects is important I am thinking! ;-) - See you, make new ideas for it, if you like and have, best regards, Frank BrübachPS: I like such jokes about the germans and the german language, no problem! :-)Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 27.03.06 17:54:38An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comBetreff: Re: New StairwaysGenerator Project, part twoIn fact, it's also a french word. "La Wendel" = die Treppe ;)Sorry, this joke's only funny for germans, and no, it's not offensive towards the french..DanielOn 3/27/06, Neil Cooke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I think that once a new 3D Artist has done the Rings of Saturn, a spiral staircase is next on the list. They are total fun ...http://www.neico.co.nz/3d/RS3DQuery.htmlI like the German "Wendeltreppe". Thanks Frank,Neil Cooke- Original Message - From: Frank Brübach To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 11:57 PMSubject: New StairwaysGenerator Project, part twoHi all, here the second picure of the StairsGenerator ("Wendeltreppe" in german) project :-) / Bye, Servus, best regards Frank Brübach, GermanyErweitern Sie FreeMail zu einem noch leistungsstärkeren E-Mail-Postfach! Mehr Infos unter http://freemail.web.de/home/landingpad/?mc=021131Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS!Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193

Re: To studio :-) Question for a water vsl shader

[Frank Brübach]

Sorry, double made ;-) Thanks dear Studio, I will check it at the end of the week. I have still two other projects until I can proof my shader and vsl material according to the water textures! :-)) have a nice week and good luck further for your projects! :-) See you and compliment for your engaged work also with the ligth+env.map tutorials :-) Servus, Frank Brübach, GermanyVon: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 26.03.06 07:49:38An: <USER-LIST@LIGHT.REALSOFT3D.COM>Betreff: Re: Question for a water vsl shaderHi Frankolino :OK , sounds like quite a comprehensive task that you're aimingfor , but that's good ! I know you will share your results whenyou're finished and I'm looking forward to seeing your results .http://www.studiodynamics.net/images/cellular_rs.jpg - cellularKarl mentioned the 'cellular' VSL object that you have discoveredand it has been a standard of sorts , in other 3D S/W's for thosenice , sharp looking sea waves .Here's a link to an awesome image by a master POV god , GillesTrans . Posted here earlier during the lengthy "clouds thread" .http://www.oyonale.com/histoire/images/makecloud2_demo_sea.jpgYou can easily see the cellular shape and the hard edges ofthe cells caused by h2o's cohesive properties (surface tension).This nice sea water also has a tiny bit of noise introduced formore surface realism too . No luck for me with RS and cellular .Here's a sea water I did with V3.53 before we had multiplenoises , and is just a small noise and a bigger noise combinedand of course stretched to give more realistic elongated waves.(it's a 10 year old render, so please forgive the hard shadow)http://www.niagara.com/~studio/view/lost-at-sea2.jpgKarl also mentioned that his 'Noise_controller' vsl shader isa kind of all-or-nothing noise , with hard boundaries between onearea and another . Here is an extreme example of that ...http://www.studiodynamics.net/planet/karls_noise_4.jpg... and a much noiser example that blurs those boundaries ;http://www.studiodynamics.net/moon/bhminus20noisey10.jpgAnyway , long winded way of saying , as usual , many options,of course , but as far as I know you will be on the bleeding edgecreating a nice wavy sea-surface type of material using RS3D .I myself have spent some time with the 'Cellular' vsl object ,and added a little noise , but it did not look very good, for me .I used displacement mappings and tried all different settings butcould not hit that magic mark , but maybe you could , with yournew computer that you most definitely will need for the hundredsof test renders that are coming your way .However , I did have a little more luck just using the RS3D'wrinkled' material (simple noise based shader)  modified sett-ings (example project attached) .Applyied as a rectangular shape to an nurbs rectangle , itdidn't offer those nice sharp edges like cellular might but itdid not look too bad and with a little small scale noise addedI think it could _possibly_ do nicely for sea-swells at least .Good Luck with your work !studiowww.niagara.com/~studiowww.studiodynamics.netXXL-Speicher, PC-Virenschutz, Spartarife & mehr: Nur im WEB.DE Club!		Jetzt gratis testen! http://freemail.web.de/home/landingpad/?mc=021130

Re: Question for a water vsl shader (water-tap by fran k dodd) with a new formula :-)

[Frank Brübach]

Hi Neil, good to hear it, ripples or waves or noise functions are very good. I will collect some exercises with "water-balls" and perhaps add a formula to the wave. Where can I find the "noise controller" of Garry and Karl? Sorry, I have not link to it ;-) or perhaps delete it the last weeks, I have searched for several water examples with realsoft files and tutorials, but haven't found a lot of it ;-) I will change it! - By the way, the "frankolinos nurbscurve helper tool" will get a "saving function", it's important for all realsoft user they like to work with it! :-)) Ciao und Servus, have a nice week end, good and fast renderings, Frank Brübach (www.realworld-3d.de, "realsoft-plugins" and here you can find a detailed description for the nurbshelper tool!)See you and thank you again! :-)Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 23.03.06 22:07:58An: <USER-LIST@LIGHT.REALSOFT3D.COM>Betreff: Re: Question for a water vsl shader (water-tap by frank dodd) with a new formula :-)Hi Frank,My recipe for ripples is to tweak the glass material and apply brushing to the surface of an anylytic cube. I note a very realistic water surface using bump maps in 3DWorld a while back and also Garry/Karl's Noise controller seems like a very promising line of enquiry.Neil Cooke- Original Message - From: Frank Brübach To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:28 PMSubject: Re: Question for a water vsl shader (water-tap by frank dodd) with a new formula :-)Dear realsoft friends again, hi Frank Dodd, I have found yesterda a "water-tap" example by Frank Dodd with a water shader. I want to change the water material and add it with a own formula for a wave ;-). How can I do and include this into the vsl material without using the "realman script" for example? I have never do this before... Nice day and I am curious to diving in the complex vsl language (uarghhh!:-), best wishes from Germany, Frank BrübachVon: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 21.03.06 23:52:59An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comBetreff: ButterfliesI just read a mail from Nandor last november about animated butterflies and had to have a little play, here is a small animation with a series of butterflies all offset with choreograph objects.http://www.frankdodd.screaming.net/Butterflies.aviHave fun,Frank "The Rookie" Dodd-- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.5/284 - Release Date: 17/03/2006Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS!Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS!Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193

Re: Planetary Project :-) and noise controller

[Frank Brübach]

Hi all and dear Neil, super!, very fast reply! :-) I will learn it this week end ;-) and of course best regards, now it's week end and the family is waiting for a long walking through the nature with this funny sunshine ;-) Frank BrübachVon: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 24.03.06 12:56:39An: <USER-LIST@LIGHT.REALSOFT3D.COM>Betreff: Re: Question for a water vsl shader (water-tap by frank dodd) with a new formula :-)Hi Frank,Where can I find the "noise controller" of Garry and Karl? My mistake, I call it a "noise controller" but the actual project that includes the stuff is Garry's Planetary Tut ... it's at the wikihttp://rs3dwiki.the-final.info/index.php?title=Planetary_Project_TutorialFor waves part of the trick might be in the shape of the "material" bounding box ... which would be stretched from the basic cube of parallel mapping ... I think.Neil Cooke- Original Message - From: Frank Brübach To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 11:27 PMSubject: Re: Question for a water vsl shader (water-tap by frank dodd) with a new formula :-)Hi Neil, good to hear it, ripples or waves or noise functions are very good. I will collect some exercises with "water-balls" and perhaps add a formula to the wave. Where can I find the "noise controller" of Garry and Karl? Sorry, I have not link to it ;-) or perhaps delete it the last weeks, I have searched for several water examples with realsoft files and tutorials, but haven't found a lot of it ;-) I will change it! - By the way, the "frankolinos nurbscurve helper tool" will get a "saving function", it's important for all realsoft user they like to work with it! :-)) Ciao und Servus, have a nice week end, good and fast renderings, Frank Brübach (www.realworld-3d.de, "realsoft-plugins" and here you can find a detailed description for the nurbshelper tool!)See you and thank you again! :-)Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 23.03.06 22:07:58An: <USER-LIST@LIGHT.REALSOFT3D.COM>Betreff: Re: Question for a water vsl shader (water-tap by frank dodd) with a new formula :-)Hi Frank,My recipe for ripples is to tweak the glass material and apply brushing to the surface of an anylytic cube. I note a very realistic water surface using bump maps in 3DWorld a while back and also Garry/Karl's Noise controller seems like a very promising line of enquiry.Neil Cooke- Original Message - From: Frank Brübach To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:28 PMSubject: Re: Question for a water vsl shader (water-tap by frank dodd) with a new formula :-)Dear realsoft friends again, hi Frank Dodd, I have found yesterda a "water-tap" example by Frank Dodd with a water shader. I want to change the water material and add it with a own formula for a wave ;-). How can I do and include this into the vsl material without using the "realman script" for example? I have never do this before... Nice day and I am curious to diving in the complex vsl language (uarghhh!:-), best wishes from Germany, Frank BrübachVon: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 21.03.06 23:52:59An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comBetreff: ButterfliesI just read a mail from Nandor last november about animated butterflies and had to have a little play, here is a small animation with a series of butterflies all offset with choreograph objects.http://www.frankdodd.screaming.net/Butterflies.aviHave fun,Frank "The Rookie" Dodd-- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.5/284 - Release Date: 17/03/2006Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS!Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS!Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS!Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193

RE: Water vsl shader (water-tap by frank dodd) with a new formula :-)

[Frank Brübach]

Dear Karl, thanks for the "tipp" and advice. I have tried a water textureof the water-tap scene by frank dodd and add a cellular structure (vsl, by michael schmeling, super tool!) in it, so Ihave got an dark eye with glass texture ina sphere object ;-)very nice, but not the success I wanted to have :-), but it was the first try I have made two days ago. I will look forward to do more experience with glass, water,waves and of course a formula... but I will startthese days closer to the difficult vsl editor and the whole knowledge about this great tool! :-) I wanted first of all to create a fluid like water for a swimming pool, then dropped water or a texture I can change it easier by manipulate the values in the vsl editor (blue water, dark blue water, waves high, waves low, transparence high and low,reflection and so on... - I will check it tomorrow, now the nature is waiting for a friend :-)) bye, best regards and thank you again, I will show my results here as soon as I can, Frank Brübach, Germany :-)Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 24.03.06 13:08:04An: <USER-LIST@LIGHT.REALSOFT3D.COM>Betreff: RE: Question for a water vsl shader (water-tap by frank dodd) with a new formula :-)HiI really wouldn't reccommend the noise controller for waves, as it's purpose is to define areas of small detail within the transition area of big detail. so, you'd basically end up with waves with flat tops and bottoms, with waves in between :-)But I think there were some good waves included with the cellular vsl object. Cellular is not too fast, but maybe you can prerender it and use as texture?Last time I did waves I used several animated textures from the "game" "X-Plane", a flight simulator thingy. Not too good textures, but I could control the roughness (blend between animated texture sets) of the seas simply by adjusting a slider.I also did an anisotropic specular highlight to simulate "stretch towards lightsource" which can be helpful on water. A lot quicker than very high brute force antialiasing and real reflections to obtain the same effect, but obviously doesn't look quite as good. I prefer a 5 minute render over a 5 hour one.Karl-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank BrübachSent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:28 PMTo: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comSubject: Re: Question for a water vsl shader (water-tap by frank dodd) with a new formula :-)Hi Neil, good to hear it, ripples or waves or noise functions are very good. I will collect some exercises with "water-balls" and perhaps add a formula to the wave. Where can I find the "noise controller" of Garry and Karl? Sorry, I have not link to it ;-) or perhaps delete it the last weeks, I have searched for several water examples with realsoft files and tutorials, but haven't found a lot of it ;-) I will change it! - By the way, the "frankolinos nurbscurve helper tool" will get a "saving function", it's important for all realsoft user they like to work with it! :-)) Ciao und Servus, have a nice week end, good and fast renderings, Frank Brübach (www.realworld-3d.de, "realsoft-plugins" and here you can find a detailed description for the nurbshelper tool!)See you and thank you again! :-)Von: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 23.03.06 22:07:58An: <USER-LIST@LIGHT.REALSOFT3D.COM>Betreff: Re: Question for a water vsl shader (water-tap by frank dodd) with a new formula :-)Hi Frank,My recipe for ripples is to tweak the glass material and apply brushing to the surface of an anylytic cube. I note a very realistic water surface using bump maps in 3DWorld a while back and also Garry/Karl's Noise controller seems like a very promising line of enquiry.Neil Cooke- Original Message - From: Frank Brübach To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:28 PMSubject: Re: Question for a water vsl shader (water-tap by frank dodd) with a new formula :-)Dear realsoft friends again, hi Frank Dodd, I have found yesterda a "water-tap" example by Frank Dodd with a water shader. I want to change the water material and add it with a own formula for a wave ;-). How can I do and include this into the vsl material without using the "realman script" for example? I have never do this before... Nice day and I am curious to diving in the complex vsl language (uarghhh!:-), best wishes from Germany, Frank BrübachVon: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 21.03.06 23:52:59An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comBetreff: ButterfliesI just read a mail from Nandor last november about animated butterflies and had to have a little play, here is a small animation with a series of butterflies all offset with choreograph objects.http://www.frankdodd.screaming.net/Butterflies.aviHave fun,Frank "The Rookie" Dodd-- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.385 / 

RE: Vesa+Frank Bueters - :-) My rendering example nur bscurves balls as zip file :-) Test it please! ;-)

[Frank Brübach]

Dear Vesa and Frank, hi all! :-) Very good to give me thess "tips" so promptly, yes, I learn every day more, haha...:-)). I know that the light points aren't so important and the material can be changed with another simple material or mapping, but it was just an example, I did two weeks ago during working with testing my nurbscurve toolscript :-). - To increase the nurbspoints from 5 to 20! wow, that becomes a new idea, and the render quality to level 2, I didn't know it until today! :-0, that should help a lot, super:-). Rendering Times of 40 minutes (1084x813) or from 9 minutes to 20 secondes, wow!!! again, I must try it with a new pc machine (pentium 4 in some weeks:-). - Many thanks for Helping. Great. - This is the knowledge "background" I can get only by "learning by doing with realsoft", not every day, but two or three times a week. A lovely hole with sometime no clear ground ;-)). - Bye and see you, I have some new ideas for Pluginscripts and Scenes ;-), but it will takes some weeks... Servus, best regards, Frank Brübach, GermanyVon: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 22.03.06 13:58:33An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comBetreff: RE: My rendering example "nurbscurves balls" as zip file :-) Test it please! ;-)Hi Frank,Your file is rendering on my laptop while I write this. Allthough it won't take hours to complete it's not hard to tell why it does take that amount of time ona P3: there are 3 pointlights and2 distanlights in the scene, all casting shadows! On top of that all objectscast- and recieveshadows and probably most important: allobjects havea reflective material attached to them. I can't find anything wrong, except that you've made yourself anextremely'expensive' scene to render.Some simple tips: try to reduce the amount of lightsources, I'd say 3 should do, it's 6 now including the camera. Use directional lights instead of pointlights. Ask yourself if you really need all those shadows.An environment map can make the reflective materials come out better.Aha, there it is, raytraced to screen at 'reasonable quality', 1084x813 pixels in just under 40 minutes. Good luck, Frank BuetersVan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Frank BrübachVerzonden: woensdag 22 maart 2006 12:35Aan: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comOnderwerp: My rendering example "nurbscurves balls" as zip file :-) Test it please! ;-)Dear RS friends, frank bueters, vesa, neil, frank dodd and all others ;-) Here I send my rendering file with "Nurbscurves" as a zip file :-) Perhaps anyone can test it on his machine! ;-) I have reduced the scene and has made one mistake, I declare it all in the *.txt file :-) best regards, feel free to render it. Frank Brübach, GermanyErweitern Sie FreeMail zu einem noch leistungsstärkeren E-Mail-Postfach! Mehr Infos unter http://freemail.web.de/home/landingpad/?mc=021131Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS!Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193

Re: Question for a water vsl shader (water-tap by fran k dodd) with a new formula :-)

[Frank Brübach]

Dear realsoft friends again, hi Frank Dodd, I have found yesterda a "water-tap" example by Frank Dodd with a water shader. I want to change the water material and add it with a own formula for a wave ;-). How can I do and include this into the vsl material without using the "realman script" for example? I have never do this before... Nice day and I am curious to diving in the complex vsl language (uarghhh!:-), best wishes from Germany, Frank BrübachVon: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comGesendet: 21.03.06 23:52:59An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.comBetreff: ButterfliesI just read a mail from Nandor last november about animated butterflies and had to have a little play, here is a small animation with a series of butterflies all offset with choreograph objects.http://www.frankdodd.screaming.net/Butterflies.aviHave fun,Frank "The Rookie" Dodd-- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.5/284 - Release Date: 17/03/2006Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS!Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193