Re: Network rendering
Hi Chris : It's different on my machines too . I'll contact you privately . studio Hi Studio Installed a new network card, but this is not the problem as it still works fine on this machine. I know all my machines used to work fine with the old V4 setup, so this is a V5 config problem of some kind. I'm still only using PRS.exe and RenD in order to keep things simple. One thing I have noticed is that RenD is using about 20k on the machines on which it is working and around 4.5k on the machines that don't work. Don't know if this means anything at all ?? Chris - Original Message - From: studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:19 AM Subject: Re: Network rendering Hi Studio, I will go back to the start of your tutorial as you suggest and load the correct startup arguements. Failing that I will install a faster network card on one of the machines that do work, and see if that's the problem. Thanks again, Chris Hi Chris : Yes , good idea to swap your cards and see if that's the problem . It sucks to have to do it but what else can you do ? Feel free to email me privately if it turns out to not be your cards . Best of luck . studio Man : I need a vacation . First of all , the sceenshot I sent last mail was not correct . It should not have been of the PRS.exe but either RendD.exe or RendW.exe (D for DOS , W for Window) . Secondly , I just read my Wiki tutorial again and all that was required was in there , right from the start . No idea how I missed that info . Guess I need glasses as well as a vacation . The problem started for me , when I launched PRS.exe and did not see anything in the DOS window , and assumed it was non-functioning . It wasn't , but was just very very quiet . Never assume . Oh well , after a year off from network rendering I guess I needed a refresher course . studio I'm running PRS in a 6 computer setup without much problems. The only error I get on a regular basis is that RendW/RendD have a bug putting arguments in the wrong field at startup sometimes. Arjo. OK , got it working : Turns out it was human error again (mine!) . Arjo mentioning that there were wrong arguments got me thinking . Then , I went back over the manual's example and it finally sank in . Two things : 1) Even though there is no activity in the PRS.exe DOS window PRS.exe is still showing as active as a Task Manager Process . 2) You will have to 'Run' RendD.exe or RendW.exe (as the manual says) with the correct startup arguments . The easiest way to do that is to just add the correct arguments in a shortcut to RendW.exe(see my wiki tutorial again for how to do that) on _ALL_ computers . So that's all it was , the default startup arguments _MUST_ be changed for PRS.exe to run . In my case my main PRS server (host5 , in the manual's example) is called celery . So then I would have to add that to the rendW.exe shortcuts (see att- achment) . Guess I'll have to go back to that tutorial and add that part in . Not sure how I managed to overlook it in the first place , since it is actually very critical . However , this may not solve your problems , Chris. If your firewall is down then I'm guessing it has something to do with your new 1 gig cards , somehow , unless it is an odd problem with older plugins not being up to date , as Jason mentioned . studio -- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.8/621 - Release Date: 1/9/2007 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.428 / Virus Database: 268.13.21/510 - Release Date: 01/11/2006 08:00 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.8/621 - Release Date: 1/9/2007 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.428 / Virus Database: 268.13.21/510 - Release Date: 01/11/2006 08:00 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/623 - Release Date: 1/11/2007
Re: Network rendering
Hi Chris : Sorry , not a lot of time right now , and actually behind on my mails (and everything else), but ... Are you using PRS ? If not , try it . I have 3 machines and I have not tried it with SP3 , but maybe later today . Anyway, I have a very small tute on the Wiki . http://rs3dwiki.the-final.info/index.php?title=Distributed_Rendering At the bottom are suggestions for using PRS that worked very well for me . They may not be 100% correct , but I did not get any feedback saying it was wrong either . Take a look and if you find any errors in my tute let me know. Good Luck . studio Hi Folks, I currently have 5 machines running on my network, of which I can use 3 for Realsoft rendering. For some reason I am getting errors with the other 2. I also wish to add 2 further machines to bring the network up to 7, but before I get ambitious, I need Realsoft to work with the others. I have attached the error I get with one of the machines. If anyone knows what this error code means, that may be very helpful. This machine also has a cable modem attached with a firewall, but even with this disconnected and the firewall disabled, I still get the error. Here are the things I have tried so far: Re-install Realsoft onto the C: drive Ensure RendD is running Ensure RendW is not running Rename machine on network (in case there was a problem with the name) None of these things have made a difference and I have been wrestling with this for 2 days. Any help, much appreciated. Thanks, Chris Sellars Morsel Animation PS on the UV mapping problem from earlier, I ended up rotating the view of my SDS model, saving several of these views to a photo program, stitching them all back together and removing any areas that crossed over one another, then reloaded this final image into the UV editor as a backdrop. Then I went throught the tedious task of remapping all my points to this image. It works, but its very time consuming. Definitely worth a proper unwrap tool being added to the Realsoft wish-list. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.8/621 - Release Date: 1/9/2007
Re: Network rendering
Hello studio Without your tutorial I would not have even got this far. I am running PRS.exe on the main machine and not on the others. I have not enabled the automatic PRS system with RendW as it just crashes my system and often corrupts/loses the rendering settings. Chris Sellars Morsel Animation - Original Message - From: studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:10 PM Subject: Re: Network rendering Hi Chris : Sorry , not a lot of time right now , and actually behind on my mails (and everything else), but ... Are you using PRS ? If not , try it . I have 3 machines and I have not tried it with SP3 , but maybe later today . Anyway, I have a very small tute on the Wiki . http://rs3dwiki.the-final.info/index.php?title=Distributed_Rendering At the bottom are suggestions for using PRS that worked very well for me . They may not be 100% correct , but I did not get any feedback saying it was wrong either . Take a look and if you find any errors in my tute let me know. Good Luck . studio Hi Folks, I currently have 5 machines running on my network, of which I can use 3 for Realsoft rendering. For some reason I am getting errors with the other 2. I also wish to add 2 further machines to bring the network up to 7, but before I get ambitious, I need Realsoft to work with the others. I have attached the error I get with one of the machines. If anyone knows what this error code means, that may be very helpful. This machine also has a cable modem attached with a firewall, but even with this disconnected and the firewall disabled, I still get the error. Here are the things I have tried so far: Re-install Realsoft onto the C: drive Ensure RendD is running Ensure RendW is not running Rename machine on network (in case there was a problem with the name) None of these things have made a difference and I have been wrestling with this for 2 days. Any help, much appreciated. Thanks, Chris Sellars Morsel Animation PS on the UV mapping problem from earlier, I ended up rotating the view of my SDS model, saving several of these views to a photo program, stitching them all back together and removing any areas that crossed over one another, then reloaded this final image into the UV editor as a backdrop. Then I went throught the tedious task of remapping all my points to this image. It works, but its very time consuming. Definitely worth a proper unwrap tool being added to the Realsoft wish-list. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.8/621 - Release Date: 1/9/2007 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.428 / Virus Database: 268.13.21/510 - Release Date: 01/11/2006 08:00
Re: Network rendering
you may also want to check you have all the same plug-in files on each pc. A missing or out of date plug-in has halted my network renders before. Regards Jason - Original Message - From: Chris Sellars [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:28 PM Subject: Re: Network rendering Hello studio Without your tutorial I would not have even got this far. I am running PRS.exe on the main machine and not on the others. I have not enabled the automatic PRS system with RendW as it just crashes my system and often corrupts/loses the rendering settings. Chris Sellars Morsel Animation - Original Message - From: studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:10 PM Subject: Re: Network rendering Hi Chris : Sorry , not a lot of time right now , and actually behind on my mails (and everything else), but ... Are you using PRS ? If not , try it . I have 3 machines and I have not tried it with SP3 , but maybe later today . Anyway, I have a very small tute on the Wiki . http://rs3dwiki.the-final.info/index.php?title=Distributed_Rendering At the bottom are suggestions for using PRS that worked very well for me . They may not be 100% correct , but I did not get any feedback saying it was wrong either . Take a look and if you find any errors in my tute let me know. Good Luck . studio Hi Folks, I currently have 5 machines running on my network, of which I can use 3 for Realsoft rendering. For some reason I am getting errors with the other 2. I also wish to add 2 further machines to bring the network up to 7, but before I get ambitious, I need Realsoft to work with the others. I have attached the error I get with one of the machines. If anyone knows what this error code means, that may be very helpful. This machine also has a cable modem attached with a firewall, but even with this disconnected and the firewall disabled, I still get the error. Here are the things I have tried so far: Re-install Realsoft onto the C: drive Ensure RendD is running Ensure RendW is not running Rename machine on network (in case there was a problem with the name) None of these things have made a difference and I have been wrestling with this for 2 days. Any help, much appreciated. Thanks, Chris Sellars Morsel Animation PS on the UV mapping problem from earlier, I ended up rotating the view of my SDS model, saving several of these views to a photo program, stitching them all back together and removing any areas that crossed over one another, then reloaded this final image into the UV editor as a backdrop. Then I went throught the tedious task of remapping all my points to this image. It works, but its very time consuming. Definitely worth a proper unwrap tool being added to the Realsoft wish-list. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.8/621 - Release Date: 1/9/2007 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.428 / Virus Database: 268.13.21/510 - Release Date: 01/11/2006 08:00
Re: Network rendering
Hello Studio, Yes sounds like the same experience as mine. RendW full of errors and crashes, PRS.exe reporting no instructions, just a blank Dos window.. I too have recently upgraded some of my network to 1Gigbit, and the machines that work are still running on the old cards and the ones that don't work are with the new 1Gigbit cards. All cards are routed through the same stand alone switch. Do you think this could be part of the problem ? Arjo, Are you running service pack 3 on all machines ? Thanks, Chris - Original Message - From: Arjo Rozendaal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:58 PM Subject: RE: Network rendering It's not quite clear to me what problems you have. I'm running PRS in a 6 computer setup without much problems. The only error I get on a regular basis is that RendW/RendD have a bug putting arguments in the wrong field at startup sometimes. (I've got RendW in the startup folder of all my machines) Just want to let you know that it should work, it's not a completely broken system. Arjo. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of studio Sent: donderdag 11 januari 2007 23:41 To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Subject: Re: Network rendering I am running PRS.exe on the main machine and not on the others. I have not enabled the automatic PRS system with RendW as it just crashes my system and often corrupts/loses the rendering settings. Hi Chris : OK , I could not get PRS to run at all , in any way . I get nothing but error messages at all turns . However , the simple basic Dist Rendering method that is in the first part of my Wiki Tutorial works perfectly (on 3 computers) . I have the same D-link network I always had , but I have changed my High speed connection and had to re-install my Router S/W , but it is running perfectly so can probably be discounted as problematic . The only other difference has been the service pack up- grades . I would suspect a minor bug in PRS.exe . It won't even run on any of my computers and PRSW (W for Window) only reports a constant error message . From here I would suspect that RS3D is not using PRS.exe at all but are only using RenD.exe . If that is the case, go back to using RenD.exe _only_ . Turn off anything that corresponds with PRS(W).exe as it may just be confounding things . What happens when you double click on PRS.exe (not PRSW.exe)? Is there any info in the DOS window , or is it just blank (mine's just blank on all 3 computers) . studio Hello studio Without your tutorial I would not have even got this far. I am running PRS.exe on the main machine and not on the others. I have not enabled the automatic PRS system with RendW as it just crashes my system and often corrupts/loses the rendering settings. Chris Sellars Morsel Animation - Original Message - From: studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:10 PM Subject: Re: Network rendering Hi Chris : Sorry , not a lot of time right now , and actually behind on my mails (and everything else), but ... Are you using PRS ? If not , try it . I have 3 machines and I have not tried it with SP3 , but maybe later today . Anyway, I have a very small tute on the Wiki . http://rs3dwiki.the-final.info/index.php?title=Distributed_Rendering At the bottom are suggestions for using PRS that worked very well for me . They may not be 100% correct , but I did not get any feedback saying it was wrong either . Take a look and if you find any errors in my tute let me know. Good Luck . studio Hi Folks, I currently have 5 machines running on my network, of which I can use 3 for Realsoft rendering. For some reason I am getting errors with the other 2. I also wish to add 2 further machines to bring the network up to 7, but before I get ambitious, I need Realsoft to work with the others. I have attached the error I get with one of the machines. If anyone knows what this error code means, that may be very helpful. This machine also has a cable modem attached with a firewall, but even with this disconnected and the firewall disabled, I still get the error. Here are the things I have tried so far: Re-install Realsoft onto the C: drive Ensure RendD is running Ensure RendW is not running Rename machine on network (in case there was a problem with the name) None of these things have made a difference and I have been wrestling with this for 2 days. Any help, much appreciated. Thanks, Chris Sellars Morsel Animation PS on the UV mapping problem from earlier, I ended up rotating
Re: Network rendering
Yes sounds like the same experience as mine. RendW full of errors and crashes, PRS.exe reporting no instructions, just a blank Dos window.. Yes , and to me this sounds like a bug , however , Arjo is on SP3 (I'm fairly sure) and PRS is running fine for him , so I am now lost as to what to say . I too have recently upgraded some of my network to 1Gigbit, and the machines that work are still running on the old cards and the ones that don't work are with the new 1Gigbit cards. All cards are routed through the same stand alone switch. Do you think this could be part of the problem ? So , from what I can gather , you are not actually using PRS but are using RenD.exe instead . Also , even with RenD.exe you are having trouble (on your new 1 Gb cards) , am I correct ? If the above scenario is correct , then I would have to go with , yes , it _could_ be your cards config , but if you are transfering files OK , and your Firewall is OFF , I do not know what it could be . The only thing I can even think of would be for someone like Arjo (hint-hint) to : 1) Double click on PRS.exe (not PRSW.exe)and see if there is any activity in the DOS window . 2) Set up all 4-5 or 6 machines using just RenD.exe and see if that works fine (no PRS or PRSW.exe) and no Use Public Rendering Service in the Dist Tab of his Rendering settings . I think the point Jason made is actually about error messages when RS starts a render after the network is running fine . You'll get a similiar problem with Text- ure or images not being in the right spot . One thing's for certain ... I'm very curious how Arjo can use PRSW.exe and we can't . studio Arjo, Are you running service pack 3 on all machines ? Thanks, Chris - Original Message - From: Arjo Rozendaal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:58 PM Subject: RE: Network rendering It's not quite clear to me what problems you have. I'm running PRS in a 6 computer setup without much problems. The only error I get on a regular basis is that RendW/RendD have a bug putting arguments in the wrong field at startup sometimes. (I've got RendW in the startup folder of all my machines) Just want to let you know that it should work, it's not a completely broken system. Arjo. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of studio Sent: donderdag 11 januari 2007 23:41 To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Subject: Re: Network rendering I am running PRS.exe on the main machine and not on the others. I have not enabled the automatic PRS system with RendW as it just crashes my system and often corrupts/loses the rendering settings. Hi Chris : OK , I could not get PRS to run at all , in any way . I get nothing but error messages at all turns . However , the simple basic Dist Rendering method that is in the first part of my Wiki Tutorial works perfectly (on 3 computers) . I have the same D-link network I always had , but I have changed my High speed connection and had to re-install my Router S/W , but it is running perfectly so can probably be discounted as problematic . The only other difference has been the service pack up- grades . I would suspect a minor bug in PRS.exe . It won't even run on any of my computers and PRSW (W for Window) only reports a constant error message . From here I would suspect that RS3D is not using PRS.exe at all but are only using RenD.exe . If that is the case, go back to using RenD.exe _only_ . Turn off anything that corresponds with PRS(W).exe as it may just be confounding things . What happens when you double click on PRS.exe (not PRSW.exe)? Is there any info in the DOS window , or is it just blank (mine's just blank on all 3 computers) . studio Hello studio Without your tutorial I would not have even got this far. I am running PRS.exe on the main machine and not on the others. I have not enabled the automatic PRS system with RendW as it just crashes my system and often corrupts/loses the rendering settings. Chris Sellars Morsel Animation - Original Message - From: studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:10 PM Subject: Re: Network rendering Hi Chris : Sorry , not a lot of time right now , and actually behind on my mails (and everything else), but ... Are you using PRS ? If not , try it . I have 3 machines and I have not tried it with SP3 , but maybe later today . Anyway, I have a very small tute on the Wiki . http://rs3dwiki.the-final.info/index.php?title=Distributed_Rendering At the bottom are suggestions for using PRS that worked very well for me . They may
Re: Network rendering
I'm running PRS in a 6 computer setup without much problems. The only error I get on a regular basis is that RendW/RendD have a bug putting arguments in the wrong field at startup sometimes. Arjo. OK , got it working : Turns out it was human error again (mine!) . Arjo mentioning that there were wrong arguments got me thinking . Then , I went back over the manual's example and it finally sank in . Two things : 1) Even though there is no activity in the PRS.exe DOS window PRS.exe is still showing as active as a Task Manager Process . 2) You will have to 'Run' RendD.exe or RendW.exe (as the manual says) with the correct startup arguments . The easiest way to do that is to just add the correct arguments in a shortcut to RendW.exe(see my wiki tutorial again for how to do that) on _ALL_ computers . So that's all it was , the default startup arguments _MUST_ be changed for PRS.exe to run . In my case my main PRS server (host5 , in the manual's example) is called celery . So then I would have to add that to the rendW.exe shortcuts (see att- achment) . Guess I'll have to go back to that tutorial and add that part in . Not sure how I managed to overlook it in the first place , since it is actually very critical . However , this may not solve your problems , Chris. If your firewall is down then I'm guessing it has something to do with your new 1 gig cards , somehow , unless it is an odd problem with older plugins not being up to date , as Jason mentioned . studio rendW.exe.gif Description: GIF image
Re: Network rendering
Hi Studio, I will go back to the start of your tutorial as you suggest and load the correct startup arguements. Failing that I will install a faster network card on one of the machines that do work, and see if that's the problem. Thanks again, Chris - Original Message - From: studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:49 AM Subject: Re: Network rendering Man : I need a vacation . First of all , the sceenshot I sent last mail was not correct . It should not have been of the PRS.exe but either RendD.exe or RendW.exe (D for DOS , W for Window) . Secondly , I just read my Wiki tutorial again and all that was required was in there , right from the start . No idea how I missed that info . Guess I need glasses as well as a vacation . The problem started for me , when I launched PRS.exe and did not see anything in the DOS window , and assumed it was non-functioning . It wasn't , but was just very very quiet . Never assume . Oh well , after a year off from network rendering I guess I needed a refresher course . studio I'm running PRS in a 6 computer setup without much problems. The only error I get on a regular basis is that RendW/RendD have a bug putting arguments in the wrong field at startup sometimes. Arjo. OK , got it working : Turns out it was human error again (mine!) . Arjo mentioning that there were wrong arguments got me thinking . Then , I went back over the manual's example and it finally sank in . Two things : 1) Even though there is no activity in the PRS.exe DOS window PRS.exe is still showing as active as a Task Manager Process . 2) You will have to 'Run' RendD.exe or RendW.exe (as the manual says) with the correct startup arguments . The easiest way to do that is to just add the correct arguments in a shortcut to RendW.exe(see my wiki tutorial again for how to do that) on _ALL_ computers . So that's all it was , the default startup arguments _MUST_ be changed for PRS.exe to run . In my case my main PRS server (host5 , in the manual's example) is called celery . So then I would have to add that to the rendW.exe shortcuts (see att- achment) . Guess I'll have to go back to that tutorial and add that part in . Not sure how I managed to overlook it in the first place , since it is actually very critical . However , this may not solve your problems , Chris. If your firewall is down then I'm guessing it has something to do with your new 1 gig cards , somehow , unless it is an odd problem with older plugins not being up to date , as Jason mentioned . studio -- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.8/621 - Release Date: 1/9/2007 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.428 / Virus Database: 268.13.21/510 - Release Date: 01/11/2006 08:00
Re: Network rendering
Hi Studio, I will go back to the start of your tutorial as you suggest and load the correct startup arguements. Failing that I will install a faster network card on one of the machines that do work, and see if that's the problem. Thanks again, Chris Hi Chris : Yes , good idea to swap your cards and see if that's the problem . It sucks to have to do it but what else can you do ? Feel free to email me privately if it turns out to not be your cards . Best of luck . studio Man : I need a vacation . First of all , the sceenshot I sent last mail was not correct . It should not have been of the PRS.exe but either RendD.exe or RendW.exe (D for DOS , W for Window) . Secondly , I just read my Wiki tutorial again and all that was required was in there , right from the start . No idea how I missed that info . Guess I need glasses as well as a vacation . The problem started for me , when I launched PRS.exe and did not see anything in the DOS window , and assumed it was non-functioning . It wasn't , but was just very very quiet . Never assume . Oh well , after a year off from network rendering I guess I needed a refresher course . studio I'm running PRS in a 6 computer setup without much problems. The only error I get on a regular basis is that RendW/RendD have a bug putting arguments in the wrong field at startup sometimes. Arjo. OK , got it working : Turns out it was human error again (mine!) . Arjo mentioning that there were wrong arguments got me thinking . Then , I went back over the manual's example and it finally sank in . Two things : 1) Even though there is no activity in the PRS.exe DOS window PRS.exe is still showing as active as a Task Manager Process . 2) You will have to 'Run' RendD.exe or RendW.exe (as the manual says) with the correct startup arguments . The easiest way to do that is to just add the correct arguments in a shortcut to RendW.exe(see my wiki tutorial again for how to do that) on _ALL_ computers . So that's all it was , the default startup arguments _MUST_ be changed for PRS.exe to run . In my case my main PRS server (host5 , in the manual's example) is called celery . So then I would have to add that to the rendW.exe shortcuts (see att- achment) . Guess I'll have to go back to that tutorial and add that part in . Not sure how I managed to overlook it in the first place , since it is actually very critical . However , this may not solve your problems , Chris. If your firewall is down then I'm guessing it has something to do with your new 1 gig cards , somehow , unless it is an odd problem with older plugins not being up to date , as Jason mentioned . studio -- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.8/621 - Release Date: 1/9/2007 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.428 / Virus Database: 268.13.21/510 - Release Date: 01/11/2006 08:00 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.8/621 - Release Date: 1/9/2007
Re: Network rendering
Hi Studio Installed a new network card, but this is not the problem as it still works fine on this machine. I know all my machines used to work fine with the old V4 setup, so this is a V5 config problem of some kind. I'm still only using PRS.exe and RenD in order to keep things simple. One thing I have noticed is that RenD is using about 20k on the machines on which it is working and around 4.5k on the machines that don't work. Don't know if this means anything at all ?? Chris - Original Message - From: studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:19 AM Subject: Re: Network rendering Hi Studio, I will go back to the start of your tutorial as you suggest and load the correct startup arguements. Failing that I will install a faster network card on one of the machines that do work, and see if that's the problem. Thanks again, Chris Hi Chris : Yes , good idea to swap your cards and see if that's the problem . It sucks to have to do it but what else can you do ? Feel free to email me privately if it turns out to not be your cards . Best of luck . studio Man : I need a vacation . First of all , the sceenshot I sent last mail was not correct . It should not have been of the PRS.exe but either RendD.exe or RendW.exe (D for DOS , W for Window) . Secondly , I just read my Wiki tutorial again and all that was required was in there , right from the start . No idea how I missed that info . Guess I need glasses as well as a vacation . The problem started for me , when I launched PRS.exe and did not see anything in the DOS window , and assumed it was non-functioning . It wasn't , but was just very very quiet . Never assume . Oh well , after a year off from network rendering I guess I needed a refresher course . studio I'm running PRS in a 6 computer setup without much problems. The only error I get on a regular basis is that RendW/RendD have a bug putting arguments in the wrong field at startup sometimes. Arjo. OK , got it working : Turns out it was human error again (mine!) . Arjo mentioning that there were wrong arguments got me thinking . Then , I went back over the manual's example and it finally sank in . Two things : 1) Even though there is no activity in the PRS.exe DOS window PRS.exe is still showing as active as a Task Manager Process . 2) You will have to 'Run' RendD.exe or RendW.exe (as the manual says) with the correct startup arguments . The easiest way to do that is to just add the correct arguments in a shortcut to RendW.exe(see my wiki tutorial again for how to do that) on _ALL_ computers . So that's all it was , the default startup arguments _MUST_ be changed for PRS.exe to run . In my case my main PRS server (host5 , in the manual's example) is called celery . So then I would have to add that to the rendW.exe shortcuts (see att- achment) . Guess I'll have to go back to that tutorial and add that part in . Not sure how I managed to overlook it in the first place , since it is actually very critical . However , this may not solve your problems , Chris. If your firewall is down then I'm guessing it has something to do with your new 1 gig cards , somehow , unless it is an odd problem with older plugins not being up to date , as Jason mentioned . studio -- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.8/621 - Release Date: 1/9/2007 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.428 / Virus Database: 268.13.21/510 - Release Date: 01/11/2006 08:00 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.8/621 - Release Date: 1/9/2007 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.428 / Virus Database: 268.13.21/510 - Release Date: 01/11/2006 08:00
Re: frame or sequence based network rendering - solved (tut)
Hi Bernie, to me it sounds like the path system variable is wrong.. ;C:\Programme\Realsoft\Realsoft3D\system;C:\Programme\Realsoft\Realsoft3D;C:\Programme\Realsoft\Realsoft3D\plugins;C:\Programme\drqueue\bin is mentioned in my tutorial.. which is for a german winxp.. for english it should be this: ;C:\Program Files\Realsoft\Realsoft3D\system;C:\Program Files\Realsoft\Realsoft3D;C:\Program Files\Realsoft\Realsoft3D\plugins;C:\Program Files\drqueue\bin hopefully it functions then.. in general its not too bad to set this up and in future releases of drqueue it will be much easier .. and with a simple javascript in V5 you can even have a send-job button in real.. i guess programming all this for v6 as inbuild is a ton of work really because its not that trivial to create a failsave jobmanagement.. and drqueue has even the advantage that it can manage all your render jobs so the pcs are allways used best.. for example you can setup a job for RS and afterwards a job for AfterFX which uses the RS-rendered images etc.. which is cool! i really hope you get it up and running.. best is to try just one pc first and when it runs do the rest.. i worry if you dont get it running that my life is in danger ;°) so i?ll better double check my tut best regards Gunnar - Original Message - From: Bernie @ VRgrafix [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 1:24 AM Subject: Re: frame or sequence based network rendering - solved (tut) Hi folks .. especially Bernie ;°) G'day Gunnar ! WOW ! Onya mate ! VERY impressed - could not download the components fast enough ;) However, despite trolling the documentation and forums, tweaking and setting every variable, ensuring no redundant returns etc in config files - hours later and I'm no closer to getting it to work. :(( Obviously I've got some stupid mistake somewhere, but it keeps having errors on master run : Getting key for shared memory: no such file or directory The concept though of having a job system for rendering que is what I've been harping onto RS for years about.. maybe for v6 if we are lucky.. And yes - the frame based approach is welcome sight ! ;) The DrQueue approach is what I would like to see for RS but without the command line component. ie: Right click view - select Add to render que and it would just save the file, and render that image / animation as another job on the network. Max has had this sort of functionality since .. v2 or something ;P I'll keep fiddling with this DrQueue though.. Thanks heaps for that ! Bernie VRgrafix
Re: frame or sequence based network rendering - solved (tut)
G'day Gunnar - Well good news is perseverance has paid off - have got it working ! :) Bad news is i'm still having a few problems getting RS to actually complete rendering a lot of the frames (50% have 0 bytes) log files show it having problems finding the sub images: Cannot find sub image C:\Documents and Settings\user/.realsoft/temp/BallFilerender0_box_0_0.r3i and the batchren itself not loading for some reason. But half do render so it must be doing something right ;) batchren.c/ 196: Cannot load:V5.1 Cannot load:V5.1 File batchren.c, Line 196 Requeueing frame... I'll keep fiddling - it certainly has promise ! Will try to shoot you my findings direct. (Initial problems with master and slave not starting stemmed from having spaces in config files) Also might be beneficial to actually post these config files vs showing on html page as I have had to re-format a lot as it seems to make a big difference in it actually working. (ie spaces / return locations) Cheers Bernie
Re: frame or sequence based network rendering - solved (tut)
Hi Bernie, i had the same and found it being caused by the wrong path variables.. again ;°) i still had path variables from v5_beta installation, so batchren did not find all correct dll?s .. when i removed the wrong path?s and only left those for the actual v5 installation everything worked fine.. another thing with broken images was that in real i had to switch box rendering off.. else the boxes got mixed up and frames were broken the problem with config files is that i would need to have sets of config files for each possible installation as program?s folders may differ for user to user :°( best regards Gunnar - Original Message - From: Bernie @ VRgrafix [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:29 AM Subject: Re: frame or sequence based network rendering - solved (tut) G'day Gunnar - Well good news is perseverance has paid off - have got it working ! :) Bad news is i'm still having a few problems getting RS to actually complete rendering a lot of the frames (50% have 0 bytes) log files show it having problems finding the sub images: Cannot find sub image C:\Documents and Settings\user/.realsoft/temp/BallFilerender0_box_0_0.r3i and the batchren itself not loading for some reason. But half do render so it must be doing something right ;) batchren.c/ 196: Cannot load:V5.1 Cannot load:V5.1 File batchren.c, Line 196 Requeueing frame... I'll keep fiddling - it certainly has promise ! Will try to shoot you my findings direct. (Initial problems with master and slave not starting stemmed from having spaces in config files) Also might be beneficial to actually post these config files vs showing on html page as I have had to re-format a lot as it seems to make a big difference in it actually working. (ie spaces / return locations) Cheers Bernie
Re: frame or sequence based network rendering - solved (tut)
At 10:29 29-8-2006, you wrote: G'day Gunnar - Well good news is perseverance has paid off - have got it working ! :) [.] Bernie Good luck, this is really encouraging! One more step to an even more professional and productive RS :) -Mark Heuymans
Re: frame or sequence based network rendering - solved (tut)
Hi Mark, just a quick note.. if you´ll clearly need boxrendering for your project you should not too soon test drqueue.. i´ll give it a more intense testing as boxrendering seems to really cause some troubles. in fact if more then one batchrender instance per pc does boxrendering on the same project the boxes get mixed up between frames and you get a big mess.. this is dues to the fact that RS does name the boxes via project name and box index but not via frame index too.. best regards Gunnar - Original Message - From: Mark Heuymans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 6:53 PM Subject: Re: frame or sequence based network rendering - solved (tut) Hi Gunnar, I see your point, thanks for clarifying. I'll certainly have a go at it soon, although it seems pretty intimidating at first glance! good luck, Mark H At 15:40 28-8-2006, you wrote: Hi Mark, i dont think RS network rendering is unreliable, but for long sequences and tons of textures i had it quite often that some random crashes happened.. when this happens overnight and i´m not in the office there is no chance that real will render on.. but with drqueue exactly this is what happens.. it rerenders missing frames and so if i return in the morning everything is fine.. most of all full frame distributed rendering is in many cases much faster then box rendering.. i already had speedups of 200% which is dramatic.. setting it up for the first time takes of course quite some time, but for all other boxes it takes me 15minutes here, thats much better then staying in the office overnight to check if the rendering is still alive.. btw. drqueue rendering also works with boxrendering.. you just need to be aware that then you have to tell drqueue all pc´s are single cpus and then tell real to render dualthreaded... its a bit confusing but it works best regards Gunnar
frame or sequence based network rendering - solved (tut)
Hi folks .. especially Bernie ;°) since a long time i wanted frame based network rendering in real and for all who are working with real and have a renderfarm it would be such a cool feature but lately i found there are free scriptable renderqueue manager available which do just that and much much more.. so i choose drqueue and made it work with real.. :°) here is the tut: http://www.3d-cg.de/tut/drq-tut.htm warning: its not easy as drag?n drop so just try it if you really think you need such a tool .. for those in need of failsafe rendering and speedy network rendering its a must have ;°) since i use it i found all my overnight renderings to be absolutelly failsafe.. best regards Gunnar
Re: frame or sequence based network rendering - solved (tut)
At 13:13 28-8-2006, you wrote: Hi folks .. especially Bernie ;°) since a long time i wanted frame based network rendering in real and for all who are working with real and have a renderfarm it would be such a cool feature but lately i found there are free scriptable renderqueue manager available which do just that and much much more.. so i choose drqueue and made it work with real.. :°) here is the tut: http://www.3d-cg.de/tut/drq-tut.htm warning: its not easy as drag?n drop so just try it if you really think you need such a tool .. Hi Gunnar, I'm afraid by the time I'd get it working, the deadlines would be over by a long time ;) But many thanks for sharing this! Apparently, frame based network rendering really needs to be in the nest SP or V6... it doesn't seem very complicated to implement as long as there's no simulation involved (and DA could solve that problem since it has caching). for those in need of failsafe rendering and speedy network rendering its a must have ;°) since i use it i found all my overnight renderings to be absolutelly failsafe.. best regards Gunnar Are you implying that Real's native network rendering is unreliable? I haven't found problems with it so far, love the extra render boxes appearing seemingly out of nowhere ;) If so, that would be bad news since I'll have to render thousands of hires frames next month... and I'd like to use motion blur, another CPU hungry feature. I use just a small farm (2 computers, 4 cores, more will follow), I could split an animation manually and render the parts separately if necessary... Disabling box rendering would nearly halve the render capacity, so I'll skip drQueue for now but will keep it in mind for the future! tnx again, Mark Heuymans
Re: frame or sequence based network rendering - solved (tut)
Hi folks .. especially Bernie ;°) G'day Gunnar ! WOW ! Onya mate ! VERY impressed - could not download the components fast enough ;) However, despite trolling the documentation and forums, tweaking and setting every variable, ensuring no redundant returns etc in config files - hours later and I'm no closer to getting it to work. :(( Obviously I've got some stupid mistake somewhere, but it keeps having errors on master run : Getting key for shared memory: no such file or directory The concept though of having a job system for rendering que is what I've been harping onto RS for years about.. maybe for v6 if we are lucky.. And yes - the frame based approach is welcome sight ! ;) The DrQueue approach is what I would like to see for RS but without the command line component. ie: Right click view - select Add to render que and it would just save the file, and render that image / animation as another job on the network. Max has had this sort of functionality since .. v2 or something ;P I'll keep fiddling with this DrQueue though.. Thanks heaps for that ! Bernie VRgrafix
RE: Network rendering setup
Hi Chris, Sorry for the late reaction, but where did you set it up? I mean where did you put the settings? I created a shortcut for rendw and put that one in the startup items folder of windows. When you open the properties of the shortcut put something like below in the target field C:\Program Files\Realsoft\Realsoft3D\rendw.exe -hide -pubhost 192.168.1.51 -host 192.168.1.54 This causes rendw to start iconified with the proper ip numbers in the proper fields in my case. 51 is the machine running PRS 54 is the local rendering machine. Arjo. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Sellars Sent: zaterdag 29 oktober 2005 22:28 To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Subject: Network rendering setup Hi Folks, Have recently started setting up my renderfarm again since having V5. Got the thing working fine across 5 machines, putting the PRS and RendW into Startup. However on reboot, most of the settings are lost. Surely there is a way to ensure the setup is not so forgetful... Any ideas, much appreciated. Thanks, Chris Sellars Morsel Animation
