Re: [uml-devel] Is the list working correctly

2018-03-20 Thread Richard Weinberger 
Am Dienstag, 20. März 2018, 03:45:11 CET schrieb Bernd Petrovitsch:
> On Mon, 2018-03-19 at 15:24 +0100, Richard Weinberger wrote:
> [...]
> 
> > I checked, migrating is not an option.
> > sourceforge has hacked mailman to hide member mail addresses:
> > "As a result of the latest electronic messaging and privacy requirements
> > around the world, SourceForge has implemented a number of changes that
> > affect
> Details please, sf.net.
> Otherwise the motivation is very probably a completely different one.
> 
> > email privacy. One part of this is that it is no longer possible for
> > project admins to view the member emails of their mailing lists."
> 
> As absurd as it can get if an ML admin isn't allowed to see the email
> addresses on his/her list.
> 
> It seems sf.net wants to be abandoned in general 
> 
> Just create the new - better - list/s and send subscription
> information!

I've talked to dwmw2, we will move to infradead.org. :-)

Thanks,
//richard

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Re: [uml-devel] Is the list working correctly

2018-03-19 Thread Bernd Petrovitsch 
On Mon, 2018-03-19 at 15:24 +0100, Richard Weinberger wrote:
[...]
> I checked, migrating is not an option.
> sourceforge has hacked mailman to hide member mail addresses:
> "As a result of the latest electronic messaging and privacy requirements 
> around the world, SourceForge has implemented a number of changes that affect 

Details please, sf.net.
Otherwise the motivation is very probably a completely different one.

> email privacy. One part of this is that it is no longer possible for project 
> admins to view the member emails of their mailing lists."

As absurd as it can get if an ML admin isn't allowed to see the email
addresses on his/her list.

It seems sf.net wants to be abandoned in general 

Just create the new - better - list/s and send subscription
information!

MfG,
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Re: [uml-devel] Is the list working correctly

2018-03-19 Thread Richard Weinberger 
Am Dienstag, 13. März 2018, 14:59:41 CET schrieb Richard Weinberger:
> Am Dienstag, 13. März 2018, 14:24:23 CET schrieb Geert Uytterhoeven:
> > Hi Richard,
> > 
> > On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 4:21 PM, Richard Weinberger  
wrote:
> > > Am Montag, 12. März 2018, 16:10:45 CET schrieb Brandeburg, Jesse:
> > >> > Is the list working for everyone?
> > >> 
> > >> I got this mail...  BTW Sourceforge had a major datacenter issue over
> > >> the
> > >> last few weeks, not sure if that broke something along the way.
> > > 
> > > Hmm, I got this mail only because you CC'ed me. I don't see it in my
> > > mailinglist inbox.
> > > 
> > > We should bite the bullet and migrate way from sf.net, finally.
> > > Any volunteers?
> > 
> > You can ask DaveM to create a list at vger.
> 
> Yes, or infradead.org.
> The bigger problem is migrating all users.
> 
> Maybe there is a way to extract a list of subscribers from
> lists.sourceforge.net. Jeff made me project admin some time ago, maybe I can
> exhume that account.

I checked, migrating is not an option.
sourceforge has hacked mailman to hide member mail addresses:
"As a result of the latest electronic messaging and privacy requirements 
around the world, SourceForge has implemented a number of changes that affect 
email privacy. One part of this is that it is no longer possible for project 
admins to view the member emails of their mailing lists."

> Or we are rude and expect everyone to re-subscribe to the new UML list.
> That way we might lose 99% of all subscribers but at least the 1% is
> interested in UML for sure. ;-)

So, I'll ask for a mailinglist on infradead.org.

Thanks,
//richard

P.s: Just realized that most of my mails also didn't make it to the 
mailinglist. That _sucks_.

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Re: [uml-devel] Is the list working correctly

2018-03-13 Thread Anton Ivanov 



On 03/13/18 13:59, Richard Weinberger wrote:

Am Dienstag, 13. März 2018, 14:24:23 CET schrieb Geert Uytterhoeven:

Hi Richard,

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 4:21 PM, Richard Weinberger  wrote:

Am Montag, 12. März 2018, 16:10:45 CET schrieb Brandeburg, Jesse:

Is the list working for everyone?

I got this mail...  BTW Sourceforge had a major datacenter issue over the
last few weeks, not sure if that broke something along the way.

Hmm, I got this mail only because you CC'ed me. I don't see it in my
mailinglist inbox.

We should bite the bullet and migrate way from sf.net, finally.
Any volunteers?

You can ask DaveM to create a list at vger.

Yes, or infradead.org.
The bigger problem is migrating all users.

Maybe there is a way to extract a list of subscribers from
lists.sourceforge.net. Jeff made me project admin some time ago, maybe I can
exhume that account.

Or we are rude and expect everyone to re-subscribe to the new UML list.
That way we might lose 99% of all subscribers but at least the 1% is
interested in UML for sure. ;-)


+1



Thanks,
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Re: [uml-devel] Is the list working correctly

2018-03-13 Thread Richard Weinberger 
Am Dienstag, 13. März 2018, 14:24:23 CET schrieb Geert Uytterhoeven:
> Hi Richard,
> 
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 4:21 PM, Richard Weinberger  wrote:
> > Am Montag, 12. März 2018, 16:10:45 CET schrieb Brandeburg, Jesse:
> >> > Is the list working for everyone?
> >> 
> >> I got this mail...  BTW Sourceforge had a major datacenter issue over the
> >> last few weeks, not sure if that broke something along the way.
> > 
> > Hmm, I got this mail only because you CC'ed me. I don't see it in my
> > mailinglist inbox.
> > 
> > We should bite the bullet and migrate way from sf.net, finally.
> > Any volunteers?
> 
> You can ask DaveM to create a list at vger.

Yes, or infradead.org.
The bigger problem is migrating all users.

Maybe there is a way to extract a list of subscribers from 
lists.sourceforge.net. Jeff made me project admin some time ago, maybe I can 
exhume that account.

Or we are rude and expect everyone to re-subscribe to the new UML list.
That way we might lose 99% of all subscribers but at least the 1% is 
interested in UML for sure. ;-)

Thanks,
//richard

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Re: [uml-devel] Is the list working correctly

2018-03-13 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven 
Hi Richard,

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 4:21 PM, Richard Weinberger  wrote:
> Am Montag, 12. März 2018, 16:10:45 CET schrieb Brandeburg, Jesse:
>> > Is the list working for everyone?
>>
>> I got this mail...  BTW Sourceforge had a major datacenter issue over the
>> last few weeks, not sure if that broke something along the way.
>
> Hmm, I got this mail only because you CC'ed me. I don't see it in my
> mailinglist inbox.
>
> We should bite the bullet and migrate way from sf.net, finally.
> Any volunteers?

You can ask DaveM to create a list at vger.

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

Geert

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Re: [uml-devel] Is the list working correctly

2018-03-12 Thread Anton Ivanov 



On 03/12/18 15:10, Brandeburg, Jesse wrote:

Is the list working for everyone?

I got this mail...  BTW Sourceforge had a major datacenter issue over the last 
few weeks, not sure if that broke something along the way.



Thanks,

I will try to pin it down. A couple of mails where I had the list cc-ed 
for patches never came back to me. I need to check if they show up in 
the archive.


A.

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Re: [uml-devel] Is the list working correctly

2018-03-12 Thread Richard Weinberger 
Anton, Jesse,

Am Montag, 12. März 2018, 16:10:45 CET schrieb Brandeburg, Jesse:
> > Is the list working for everyone?
> 
> I got this mail...  BTW Sourceforge had a major datacenter issue over the
> last few weeks, not sure if that broke something along the way.

Hmm, I got this mail only because you CC'ed me. I don't see it in my 
mailinglist inbox.

We should bite the bullet and migrate way from sf.net, finally.
Any volunteers?

Thanks,
//richard

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Re: [uml-devel] Is the list working correctly

2018-03-12 Thread Brandeburg, Jesse 
> Is the list working for everyone?

I got this mail...  BTW Sourceforge had a major datacenter issue over the last 
few weeks, not sure if that broke something along the way.


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