[libreoffice-users] Re: BUG REPORT -- Version 4.0+ (Macbook Lion)
On 2013-05-02 11:05 PM auto78240...@hushmail.com wrote: I have the latest 4.0+ version of Open Office, and see an unwanted popup when initializing the program. What is the message in the pop-up. This problem has been persistent since 3.0+, and was never corrected. The popup shows up immediately, and gives you two options -- neither of which get rid of the popup after selecting them. What are the options. I am running the Macbook Lion, latest software update. This bug has been in existence for at least 16 months. I think I know what the problem is but can't give you a solution without knowing the specifics of the message you get. It is impossible to give help without knowing the specifics of the problem. -- _ Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs. - Edgard Varese -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: BUG REPORT -- Version 4.0+ (Macbook Lion)
Le 03/05/13 07:05, auto78240...@hushmail.com a écrit : Hi Randal, I have the latest 4.0+ version of Open Office, and see an unwanted popup when initializing the program. This problem has been persistent since 3.0+, and was never corrected. The popup shows up immediately, and gives you two options -- neither of which get rid of the popup after selecting them. I am running the Macbook Lion, latest software update. This bug has been in existence for at least 16 months. It has been in existence ever since Apple decided to allow apps and their respective windows to restore themselves on session startup, and so yes, this is not a new phenomenon. Unfortunately, the LibreOffice code does not know how to deal with such a situation correctly, and thus causes the message that you see to appear. Trawl on the internet and search for LibreOffice, plist, and startup, and you will find proposed workarounds to your problem. For example, delete from your /Users/myname/Library/Application Support/ folder, any files in the sub-folder Crash Reporter, that are called soffice or libreoffice or openoffice. Also check whether you have a *.lck file (this is a file hidden by the system by default) that links to a failed document opening. There is a setting (Apple command from the console) to toggle hidden files on/off so that they become visible, or alternatively, use one of the freely available AppleScripts out there. And finally, read this bug report : https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39007 Alex -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Language settings Writer: Default language problem
Friends I run Win 7 English 64 bit and Version 4.0.2.2 (Build ID: 4c82dcdd6efcd48b1d8bba66bfe1989deee49c3) of LO. I experience the following error in Writer, or at least I think it is an error *I actually found the solution, see end of message! * I have the default language to Swedish, but at some point I must have changed the language inside a file to Finnish, cause now when I type anything at the end of the file, or even in the middle of existing text, then it turns to Finnish! I have to select the text that appear to be Finnish and then do the Tools/Language for all text to Swedish for anything I type! If I go to the end of the file it says Swedish, but when I press any key it becomes Finnish. I can live with it, but it is odd behavior especially as I have set the default language in LO for western documents to Swedish. So I do not know where the programs picks up the information that I would like to type Finnish. I have already selected all text and made it to Swedish and no change in the behavior. BUT, I just found the solution! LO acutally looks at what IME I am using when typing! If I select Finnish as my input language in the Win7 IME then it automatically selects that language for any input! So it bypasses whatever I have pre-defined inside LO. That was interesting. I can usually write anything I like in Swedish using the Finnish keyboard, so I did not think that I actually have to change the keyboard when wanting to type Swedish in LO! Anyway, maybe this is useful info for someone else, so I stil post it. Calle 2013 -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Language-settings-Writer-Default-language-problem-tp4053496.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Integer degrees in Draw
Hi, I need to set the degrees of a line to a decimal value, like 51,43 to divide 1 turn in 7. In 4.02 I am able to input only integer values. Is it a feature or a bug, or I miss an option? Thanks, Roberto Occa. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Integer degrees in Draw
On 05/03/2013 06:09 AM, robertoo...@libero.it wrote: Hi, I need to set the degrees of a line to a decimal value, like 51,43 to divide 1 turn in 7. In 4.02 I am able to input only integer values. Is it a feature or a bug, or I miss an option? Thanks, Roberto Occa. It is a feature that has been introduced in 4.0. 3.6.6 permits you to set the degree angle for a line to 100th of a degree (English system). 4.0.2 and 4.0.3 both limit the degree angle to integers. If you are going to use 4.0.2, you will have to use these degree Intergers: 0 14 29 43 5771 and 86. Not as exact as you may want but the accuracy is less that 0.5 degrees. --Dan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles
I never even try to share documents between different programs, such as Word and LO or OO. I never even try to share documents between two users using both the same program *and* the same document template, if the program is Word (or LO /OO). With these applications, the re-use of content is exclusively limited to raw, unformatted text. Trying anything else will drive you up the walls. If you need collaborative authoring, you need something that *imposes* a pre-defined document structure (such as e.g. an XML schema, LaTeX document classes unfortunately are not as restrictive) and thus absolutely locks out *any* possiblity of finger-painting, and preferrably something that also provides seamless integration for revision control systems such as e.g. Subversion. With LyX/LaTeX, structured XML authoring applications (or some document processing applications like Worperfect or Framemaker, provided the authors are perfectly disciplined), collaborative authoring is possible to a certain degree. With Word (or LO/OO) it is strictly impossible at any reasonable degree of efficiency. If there was a way in LO/OO to imperatively re-strict the user interface for a certain document to the application of styles defined within the document, this might improve things, but given how styles are implemented in LO/OO, I doubt that it would really work. Besides that styles don't hold structure information anyway, since templates aren't schemas in LO/OO. Sincerely, Wolfgang -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Paragraph styles
On 05/01/2013 08:44 PM, Michael Reich wrote: I haven't seen this posted yet so here goes. I recognize the benefits/uses of paragraph styles and do use them, but one major drawback for me is the apparently very complicated steps involved in using them in other documents. I know I can save a styled document as a template, but short of that, it's a PITA to share styles (IMO). There ought to be an easier way than the import procedure. I think this will work. Copy and paste some text with the style you want to share from the old document to a new one. You should see the style appear in the Styles and Formatting window as a custom style. I did this for a numbered list. In the paragraph styles custom list, the paragraph style use with the list appeared. In the List styles custom list, the list style I use also appeared. In my case, the pasted list appeared as a bullet list, but I think that was because a bullet list was directly above the pasted list. When I highlighted the pasted list and double clicked the copied numbered list style, the list became a numbered list. --Dan On 5/1/13 3:00 PM, users+h...@global.libreoffice.org wrote: Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Paragraph styles From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com Date: 4/30/13 3:53 PM To: dslie...@liessefamily.net, users@global.libreoffice.org Dave asked, Are you implying that if I want to, say, indent one paragraph with no other changes, I should create a new style for that? Seems like a lot of work since it can be done with one mouse clicks (or, if I ever get around to learning how to create shortcut keys, one keystroke combination) plus navigating to the paragraph. Valid question. Your example demonstrates the tension between using styles and direct formatting. To make such a small change using styles would indeed be more work than using direct formatting. But, in my experience, too many users use that one paragraph as an illustration of why they don't want to learn or use styles at all. In order to keep from spending a few minutes to create a new style, they end up sentencing themselves to hours of unnecessary labor directly formatting paragraphs when they could be much more efficient with styles. Obviously, that one change to that one paragraph isn't going to destroy your document, but small changes like that tend to multiply. Do it too many times in a document, and you will end up with formatting problems, such as remembering which paragraphs were formatted with styles and which were formatted directly. Also, let's say you make that one small change, and then later decide you want to change something more globally. That one directly formatted paragraph could get in the way of a later global change. Also, don't get sucked in to comparing amounts of labor to perform a task. At first, the creation of a paragraph style *always* appears to take more work than direct formatting, which is why many users never cross the styles threshold. But, cross that threshold once, and you will save yourself mountains of labor later by using the styles it took you so much time to create in the first place. Ideally, I will use styles for each and every paragraph in my documents. It provides formatting consistency, and I never have to remember which paragraphs I may have formatted directly. Yes, on occasion, I will spend more time formatting a single paragraph by creating a new style, but I consider that a one-off cost of doing business with styles, which will be more than offset by the hours I will save myself later by using styles throughout my documents. I also remember that I'll probably use that same paragraph format later in a different document, so having the style created and saved in my default template saves me more time later. Virgil -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Integer degrees in Draw
Le 03/05/13 13:14, Dan Lewis a écrit : It is a feature that has been introduced in 4.0. 3.6.6 permits you to set the degree angle for a line to 100th of a degree (English system). 4.0.2 and 4.0.3 both limit the degree angle to integers. If you are going to use 4.0.2, you will have to use these degree Intergers: 0 14 29 43 5771 and 86. Not as exact as you may want but the accuracy is less that 0.5 degrees. I'd call that a regression over being able to specify to 1/100th of a degree... Dan, any idea how/why that happened ? Was there something wrong with the previous way ? Just trying to understand the rationale behind the change. Alex -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Integer degrees in Draw
On 05/03/2013 08:56 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Le 03/05/13 13:14, Dan Lewis a écrit : It is a feature that has been introduced in 4.0. 3.6.6 permits you to set the degree angle for a line to 100th of a degree (English system). 4.0.2 and 4.0.3 both limit the degree angle to integers. If you are going to use 4.0.2, you will have to use these degree Intergers: 0 14 29 43 5771 and 86. Not as exact as you may want but the accuracy is less that 0.5 degrees. I'd call that a regression over being able to specify to 1/100th of a degree... Dan, any idea how/why that happened ? Was there something wrong with the previous way ? Just trying to understand the rationale behind the change. Alex No, I'm clueless. My only guess was this: with 360 degrees in a circle, the thinking was that this is accurate enough for the size of Draw figures. But if someone wants to draw a line a given angle with a high degree of accuracy, it can still be done if he wants to use some trigonometry. Use the Position and Size dialog. Instead of changing the angle for the line, calculate what the positions of the two end points from the line need to be to achieve the angle desired. --Dan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Odd behavior using DATE() function in calc
On 05/02/2013 09:52 PM, vsharris wrote: I have a spreadsheet with three columns: year, month, day. In the 4th column I use the DATE() function to create a date from these columns. It works fine if there are valid data, but if the month and day column are empty, the results are surprising. For example: DATE(1995,blank,blank) is the same as: DATE(1995,0,0) which turns out to be: 30 Nov, 1994 I would rather the system generate an error warning (e.g., data out of range) than silently produce a counter-intuitive result. Am I missing something obvious here? (config: Xubuntu 12.04 LibreOffice 3.5.7.2 Build ID: 350m1(Build:2) ) I suppose then, that you will be horrified to know that you can also use negative values. so you can use this as an easy way to do date math -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Check Box size in LO Base
Le 30/04/13 12:43, Ian Whitfield a écrit : Hi Ian, A quick update : https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=26593 so this bug/RFE is at least 9 years old, and no one ever thought it important enough to allocate resources to it. Note that I haven't even checked in LO's bugzilla yet to see if we have an equivalent request. Alex -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Integer degrees in Draw
Hi all, it is bug https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60120 kind regards Regina Dan Lewis schrieb: On 05/03/2013 08:56 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Le 03/05/13 13:14, Dan Lewis a écrit : It is a feature that has been introduced in 4.0. 3.6.6 permits you to set the degree angle for a line to 100th of a degree (English system). 4.0.2 and 4.0.3 both limit the degree angle to integers. If you are going to use 4.0.2, you will have to use these degree Intergers: 0 14 29 43 5771 and 86. Not as exact as you may want but the accuracy is less that 0.5 degrees. I'd call that a regression over being able to specify to 1/100th of a degree... Dan, any idea how/why that happened ? Was there something wrong with the previous way ? Just trying to understand the rationale behind the change. Alex No, I'm clueless. My only guess was this: with 360 degrees in a circle, the thinking was that this is accurate enough for the size of Draw figures. But if someone wants to draw a line a given angle with a high degree of accuracy, it can still be done if he wants to use some trigonometry. Use the Position and Size dialog. Instead of changing the angle for the line, calculate what the positions of the two end points from the line need to be to achieve the angle desired. --Dan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Integer degrees in Draw
Hi, Dan Lewis schrieb: On 05/03/2013 08:56 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Le 03/05/13 13:14, Dan Lewis a écrit : It is a feature that has been introduced in 4.0. 3.6.6 permits you to set the degree angle for a line to 100th of a degree (English system). 4.0.2 and 4.0.3 both limit the degree angle to integers. If you are going to use 4.0.2, you will have to use these degree Intergers: 0 14 29 43 5771 and 86. Not as exact as you may want but the accuracy is less that 0.5 degrees. I'd call that a regression over being able to specify to 1/100th of a degree... Dan, any idea how/why that happened ? Was there something wrong with the previous way ? Just trying to understand the rationale behind the change. Alex No, I'm clueless. My only guess was this: with 360 degrees in a circle, the thinking was that this is accurate enough for the size of Draw figures. It has been introduced with http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=0cd97e8c33c49a6c44d26ba309493dbfec00eb8d together with the change from the 45°-preselect to the circle degree choose. But if someone wants to draw a line a given angle with a high degree of accuracy, it can still be done if he wants to use some trigonometry. Use the Position and Size dialog. Instead of changing the angle for the line, calculate what the positions of the two end points from the line need to be to achieve the angle desired. But it removes the only way to measure an angle. The positionsize dialog was the only place, where you can see the angle in the full accuracy which is possible in the file format. I think it is a regression and should be reverted. You can see that a better solution is possible in the sidebar in AOO. Kind regards Regina -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: BUG REPORT -- Version 4.0+ (Macbook Lion)
Hi :) The version numbers make it clear that the op was referring to LibreOffice rather than OpenOffice! The problem probably does exist on both and even if not it would be nice to have a wiki-page, perhaps in the Faqs, to point people to. The problem is so few people use LibreOffice on any Apple machine that we hardly ever hear about these things so we would forget where the page is. So, it probably is best to remember to google for it. Regards from Tom :) From: Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 3 May 2013, 7:25 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: BUG REPORT -- Version 4.0+ (Macbook Lion) Le 03/05/13 07:05, auto78240...@hushmail.com a écrit : Hi Randal, I have the latest 4.0+ version of Open Office, and see an unwanted popup when initializing the program. This problem has been persistent since 3.0+, and was never corrected. The popup shows up immediately, and gives you two options -- neither of which get rid of the popup after selecting them. I am running the Macbook Lion, latest software update. This bug has been in existence for at least 16 months. It has been in existence ever since Apple decided to allow apps and their respective windows to restore themselves on session startup, and so yes, this is not a new phenomenon. Unfortunately, the LibreOffice code does not know how to deal with such a situation correctly, and thus causes the message that you see to appear. Trawl on the internet and search for LibreOffice, plist, and startup, and you will find proposed workarounds to your problem. For example, delete from your /Users/myname/Library/Application Support/ folder, any files in the sub-folder Crash Reporter, that are called soffice or libreoffice or openoffice. Also check whether you have a *.lck file (this is a file hidden by the system by default) that links to a failed document opening. There is a setting (Apple command from the console) to toggle hidden files on/off so that they become visible, or alternatively, use one of the freely available AppleScripts out there. And finally, read this bug report : https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39007 Alex -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: BUG REPORT -- Version 4.0+ (Macbook Lion)
On 05/03/2013 12:24 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) The version numbers make it clear that the op was referring to LibreOffice rather than OpenOffice! The problem probably does exist on both and even if not it would be nice to have a wiki-page, perhaps in the Faqs, to point people to. The problem is so few people use LibreOffice on any Apple machine that we hardly ever hear about these things so we would forget where the page is. So, it probably is best to remember to google for it. Regards from Tom :) Not quite so. It is just as likely that the OP was referring to OpenOffice as in Apache OpenOffice. In either case, the configuration files for the version of OS X mentioned are difficult to find. Apple has deliberately made these hidden files. There are extra steps required to be able to see them. --Dan From: Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 3 May 2013, 7:25 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: BUG REPORT -- Version 4.0+ (Macbook Lion) Le 03/05/13 07:05, auto78240...@hushmail.com a écrit : Hi Randal, I have the latest 4.0+ version of Open Office, and see an unwanted popup when initializing the program. This problem has been persistent since 3.0+, and was never corrected. The popup shows up immediately, and gives you two options -- neither of which get rid of the popup after selecting them. I am running the Macbook Lion, latest software update. This bug has been in existence for at least 16 months. It has been in existence ever since Apple decided to allow apps and their respective windows to restore themselves on session startup, and so yes, this is not a new phenomenon. Unfortunately, the LibreOffice code does not know how to deal with such a situation correctly, and thus causes the message that you see to appear. Trawl on the internet and search for LibreOffice, plist, and startup, and you will find proposed workarounds to your problem. For example, delete from your /Users/myname/Library/Application Support/ folder, any files in the sub-folder Crash Reporter, that are called soffice or libreoffice or openoffice. Also check whether you have a *.lck file (this is a file hidden by the system by default) that links to a failed document opening. There is a setting (Apple command from the console) to toggle hidden files on/off so that they become visible, or alternatively, use one of the freely available AppleScripts out there. And finally, read this bug report : https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39007 Alex -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles
On Fri, 3 May 2013, Wolfgang Keller wrote: I never even try to share documents between different programs, such as Word and LO or OO. I never even try to share documents between two users using both the same program *and* the same document template, if the program is Word (or LO /OO). With these applications, the re-use of content is exclusively limited to raw, unformatted text. Trying anything else will drive you up the walls. your walls must be very adhesive. I share documents with people all the time because a couple of committees I've been on had me as the 'master of documents', that is, I would take other people's work and bundle it together, edit and produce drafts for them to work on, then I would do up the final report. they almost always are using some version of Word. sure, there are problems but my walls are pretty footprint-free. but I think this goes to show not only are there different standards of tolerance for problems, there different magnitudes of problems, thus, if I were dealing with 100 people instead of six or seven, it might be a different issue. of course I'm not denying there are other solutions which are technically superior in some way. but for many of us the situation is not as dire as you paint it, walls and all. F. If you need collaborative authoring, you need something that *imposes* a pre-defined document structure (such as e.g. an XML schema, LaTeX document classes unfortunately are not as restrictive) and thus absolutely locks out *any* possiblity of finger-painting, and preferrably something that also provides seamless integration for revision control systems such as e.g. Subversion. With LyX/LaTeX, structured XML authoring applications (or some document processing applications like Worperfect or Framemaker, provided the authors are perfectly disciplined), collaborative authoring is possible to a certain degree. With Word (or LO/OO) it is strictly impossible at any reasonable degree of efficiency. If there was a way in LO/OO to imperatively re-strict the user interface for a certain document to the application of styles defined within the document, this might improve things, but given how styles are implemented in LO/OO, I doubt that it would really work. Besides that styles don't hold structure information anyway, since templates aren't schemas in LO/OO. Sincerely, Wolfgang -- Felmon Davis You'd like to do it instantaneously, but that's too slow. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles
Hi :) A big +1 to that. Regards from Tom :) From: Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 3 May 2013, 17:41 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles On Fri, 3 May 2013, Wolfgang Keller wrote: I never even try to share documents between different programs, such as Word and LO or OO. I never even try to share documents between two users using both the same program *and* the same document template, if the program is Word (or LO /OO). With these applications, the re-use of content is exclusively limited to raw, unformatted text. Trying anything else will drive you up the walls. your walls must be very adhesive. I share documents with people all the time because a couple of committees I've been on had me as the 'master of documents', that is, I would take other people's work and bundle it together, edit and produce drafts for them to work on, then I would do up the final report. they almost always are using some version of Word. sure, there are problems but my walls are pretty footprint-free. but I think this goes to show not only are there different standards of tolerance for problems, there different magnitudes of problems, thus, if I were dealing with 100 people instead of six or seven, it might be a different issue. of course I'm not denying there are other solutions which are technically superior in some way. but for many of us the situation is not as dire as you paint it, walls and all. F. If you need collaborative authoring, you need something that *imposes* a pre-defined document structure (such as e.g. an XML schema, LaTeX document classes unfortunately are not as restrictive) and thus absolutely locks out *any* possiblity of finger-painting, and preferrably something that also provides seamless integration for revision control systems such as e.g. Subversion. With LyX/LaTeX, structured XML authoring applications (or some document processing applications like Worperfect or Framemaker, provided the authors are perfectly disciplined), collaborative authoring is possible to a certain degree. With Word (or LO/OO) it is strictly impossible at any reasonable degree of efficiency. If there was a way in LO/OO to imperatively re-strict the user interface for a certain document to the application of styles defined within the document, this might improve things, but given how styles are implemented in LO/OO, I doubt that it would really work. Besides that styles don't hold structure information anyway, since templates aren't schemas in LO/OO. Sincerely, Wolfgang -- Felmon Davis You'd like to do it instantaneously, but that's too slow. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Impress query
In Impress, you can set each slide to appear at differing times [after setting overall time - right-hand cue - then go to individual slide to re-set that's timing]; or you can set one time for each [via right-hand cues]. Hoping this answers your question, On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Brewster Gillett b...@fdi.us wrote: Running LO 3.5.7.2 under Ubuntu 12.04 I've scoured the help, both internal and on-line. I've pored through the FAQs. It may be that no such ability is provided with Impress. But I'll ask in case someone here has done it: How can I insert a live countdown clock display in my slides, tied to the Advance slide Automatically after [ x seconds ] instruction? IOW I set the above parameter to, say, 60 seconds. When the slide rolls up, one corner of it has a prominent digital clock display reading 60 which proceeds to follow the timing downwards until it hits zero, at which time the next slide rolls up and the process restarts. If this feature is in Impress somewhere, I sure couldn't find it. TIA, Brewster -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Paragraph styles (collaborating on documents)
At 16:41 03/05/2013 +, Felmon Davis wrote: I share documents with people all the time because a couple of committees I've been on had me as the 'master of documents', that is, I would take other people's work and bundle it together, edit and produce drafts for them to work on, then I would do up the final report. they almost always are using some version of Word. But surely that's different? You've been appointed to do up the final report, so you can do what you like with the final text - even just taking it out as plain text and reformatting from scratch. The earlier conversations where about situations where all members of a collaboration had equal rights to impose formatting - and where the formatting itself was perhaps a relevant point of discussion and agreement. Where it is appropriate, what you describe is indeed the way to go: to develop and agree on the content separately from the format. The format is either locked down from the start or imposed separately at the end. That's what intelligent web authoring arrangements use, of course. Brian Barker -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Impress query
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Brewster Gillett b...@fdi.us wrote: Running LO 3.5.7.2 under Ubuntu 12.04 How can I insert a live countdown clock display in my slides, tied to the Advance slide Automatically after [ x seconds ] instruction? On Fri, 2013-05-03 at 12:40 -0500, anne-ology wrote: In Impress, you can set each slide to appear at differing times or you can set one time for each Hoping this answers your question, bg: Though I appreciate the response, no, it doesn't even address the question I raised, which was, How can I insert a live countdown clock display in my slides, tied to the Advance slide Automatically after [ x seconds ] instruction? IOW I already know how to set the appearance duration for slides - what I couldn't find was a way to incorporate a visible countdown display into the slide to track the timing for the audience. ...that feature may just not exist, though it sure does seem like it would be a useful one to have. Brewster -- *** A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? *** W. Brewster Gillettb...@fdi.usPortland, OR USA *** Simply because you don't like to hear it, that doesn't make it untrue. *** -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] template paths
Hi: I am trying to find the location of template directories for both the system and for user accounts for both 32 and 64bit installations for OS X and Windows. The complete information is surprisingly hard to find. Can anyone help me out? I'd be especially grateful for OS X paths. Thanks, -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] template paths
Hi :) Isn't it somewhere in the User Profile? https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile If you open LibreOffice and go to Tools - Options - Paths that should tell you, i think. Regards from Tom :) From: Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 3 May 2013, 19:18 Subject: [libreoffice-users] template paths Hi: I am trying to find the location of template directories for both the system and for user accounts for both 32 and 64bit installations for OS X and Windows. The complete information is surprisingly hard to find. Can anyone help me out? I'd be especially grateful for OS X paths. Thanks, -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] template paths
have you tried these sites - https://www.google.com/search?q=templates404handler=true (339,000,000+ results ;-) ) On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net wrote: Hi: I am trying to find the location of template directories for both the system and for user accounts for both 32 and 64bit installations for OS X and Windows. The complete information is surprisingly hard to find. Can anyone help me out? I'd be especially grateful for OS X paths. Thanks, -- Bruce Byfield -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Paragraph styles
Hi :) Exactly! It's like driving an automatic car rather than a gear-shift one but with the option to use gear-shift ifwhen you choose to. Most people are more familiar with worrying about what to do right now and with keeping all their previous choices in their head. The idea of surrendering that to an automated process so they can just get on with the writing is even quite scary to people. However, automatics are catching on. One lass at work even has it as 1 of her must haves when choosing a new car. Regards from Tom :) From: Kevin O'Brien zwil...@zwilnik.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2013, 15:11 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Paragraph styles On 4/30/2013 4:18 PM, Dave Liesse wrote: As an end user, I'd like to ask one follow-up question to your third point. This is an I don't understand type of question, by the way, not a challenge. Are you implying that if I want to, say, indent one paragraph with no other changes, I should create a new style for that? Seems like a lot of work since it can be done with one mouse clicks (or, if I ever get around to learning how to create shortcut keys, one keystroke combination) plus navigating to the paragraph. Personally, I think this is the wrong way to approach the problem. I would start with *why* you want to indent the paragraph. What a lot of people do, without ever being conscious of it, is use visual appearance to communicate structural information. I start with the structural information (What is this object doing here on the page? What is its purpose?), and then I can add any visual formatting to it that I need. So if the indent is used to denote a quoted passage form another source (a very common usage), I would create a style for the *quotation*, and give it the attribute of indentation. And I would save it in my Default Template because I'm pretty sure this won't be the last time in my life that I need to do quoted passages. And if I have a long document with a number of objects, I can change the appearance of the quoted passages without affecting anything else. This is something the authors of the Writer documentation really understand, but it is a new way of thinking for most people. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien zwil...@zwilnik.com A damsel with a dulcimer in a vision once I saw. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] template paths
On 05/03/2013 02:18 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote: Hi: I am trying to find the location of template directories for both the system and for user accounts for both 32 and 64bit installations for OS X and Windows. The complete information is surprisingly hard to find. Can anyone help me out? I'd be especially grateful for OS X paths. Thanks, You can do this typing two keys together: the Command and comma. Click Path in left side of the window that appears. Select Templates, and you should see both paths that you want. --Dan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] problem in fixing a bug in calc
Hi.. I am Ram Dayal Vaishnav, a student from NIT Trichy, India. I am a newbie, and needs a help in creating a patch. I want to fix a very simple bug in the libre office Version 4.0.0.0.alpha1. I want to enable Horizontal AutoFill in calc. I am made changes in libo/sc/source/ui/view/viewfun2.cxx (in funciton replace ScViewFunc::FillCrossDblClick()) Now when I run /libo/install/program/.scalc it doesn't show any change. I think I am missing something (may be I need to compile/build this code so that it can reflect changes to ./soffice or ./calc file) kindly help me out, thanks in advance -- : Ram Dayal Vaishnav Gurumukhi NIT Trichy -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] template paths
On Friday, May 03, 2013 11:18:40 AM Bruce Byfield wrote: Hi: I am trying to find the location of template directories for both the system and for user accounts for both 32 and 64bit installations for OS X and Windows. The complete information is surprisingly hard to find. Can anyone help me out? I'd be especially grateful for OS X paths. Thanks, -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Assuming you meant templates for LibreOffice try opening writer (also will show in calc, draw or Impress) and look at: [CODE] tools -- options -- LibreOffice -- Paths [/CODE] this lists the various paths. Russ -- openSUSE 12.3(Linux 3.7.10-1.1-desktop x86_64)|KDE 4.10.2 release 556|Intel core2duo 2.5 MHZ,|8GB DDR3|GeForce 8400GS(NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-310.32) -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] problem in fixing a bug in calc
This is the wrong place to ask, please ask on the dev list :) Best, Joel On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:50 PM, RD Vaishnav vaishnav...@gmail.com wrote: Hi.. I am Ram Dayal Vaishnav, a student from NIT Trichy, India. I am a newbie, and needs a help in creating a patch. I want to fix a very simple bug in the libre office Version 4.0.0.0.alpha1. I want to enable Horizontal AutoFill in calc. I am made changes in libo/sc/source/ui/view/viewfun2.cxx (in funciton replace ScViewFunc::FillCrossDblClick()) Now when I run /libo/install/program/.scalc it doesn't show any change. I think I am missing something (may be I need to compile/build this code so that it can reflect changes to ./soffice or ./calc file) kindly help me out, thanks in advance -- : Ram Dayal Vaishnav Gurumukhi NIT Trichy -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: template paths
For OS X Paths ApplicationsLibre Office, then Right click to: Show Contents ContentsShareTemplates BTW. OS X Options are in Libre Office Preferences, you will find Templates under Paths. Tink -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template-paths-tp4053623p4053665.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Paragraph styles (collaborating on documents)
On Fri, 3 May 2013, Brian Barker wrote: At 16:41 03/05/2013 +, Felmon Davis wrote: I share documents with people all the time because a couple of committees I've been on had me as the 'master of documents', that is, I would take other people's work and bundle it together, edit and produce drafts for them to work on, then I would do up the final report. they almost always are using some version of Word. But surely that's different? You've been appointed to do up the final report, so you can do what you like with the final text - even just taking it out as plain text and reformatting from scratch. The earlier conversations where about situations where all members of a collaboration had equal rights to impose formatting - and where the formatting itself was perhaps a relevant point of discussion and agreement. I am confused. Wolfgang spoke of two users. but granted that would also be a problem if each user claims the prerogative to determine formatting. most occasions I encounter no one claims such a prerogative, each goes their own way, but also most people I deal with don't do any significant formatting to start with. so what is the context of discussion? a) several individuals passing documents to and fro and b) each with a lot of formatting and c) each preferring their own formatting to others'? this indeed is a 'war of all against all' but then it's less a matter of word-processor vs latex or something but a problem of organization and coordination. Where it is appropriate, what you describe is indeed the way to go: to develop and agree on the content separately from the format. The format is either locked down from the start or imposed separately at the end. That's what intelligent web authoring arrangements use, of course. sorry if I was off topic. F. Brian Barker -- Felmon Davis Dyslexics have more fnu. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Impress query
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Brewster Gillett b...@fdi.us wrote: Running LO 3.5.7.2 under Ubuntu 12.04 How can I insert a live countdown clock display in my slides, tied to the Advance slide Automatically after [ x seconds ] instruction? On Fri, 2013-05-03 at 12:40 -0500, anne-ology wrote: In Impress, you can set each slide to appear at differing times or you can set one time for each Hoping this answers your question, bg: Though I appreciate the response, no, it doesn't even address the question I raised, which was, How can I insert a live countdown clock display in my slides, tied to the Advance slide Automatically after [ x seconds ] instruction? IOW I already know how to set the appearance duration for slides - what I couldn't find was a way to incorporate a visible countdown display into the slide to track the timing for the audience. ...that feature may just not exist, though it sure does seem like it would be a useful one to have. Brewster On Fri, 2013-05-03 at 13:39 -0500, anne-ology wrote: There are numerous clock displays - surely one of these would suit your purpose; just plop the clock into the slide, set its size, and ;-) bg: I fear you have yet to grasp my intent; I have looked at several clocks, and saw none offering a countdown with a digital display - but that isn't the real question. The real question is how I might go about tying a countdown clock function into the slide display interval. So far I haven't uncovered any way of doing that without crunching code, which I am not nearly skilled enough to do. Actually it wouldn't have to communicate with Impress to accomplish that, but it would have to be capable of running a *repeating* cycle, once started. Let me attempt to rephrase what I'm looking for. I need a countdown timer (i.e. one that starts at a set interval, displays digital numbers following the seconds fown to zero, then resets itself to zero and restarts the countdown. It needs to synchronize with the interval set by Impress that applies to the on-screen duration of each slide. So for example: * Slide rolls up on the screen- Impress is set to display it for sixty seconds before rolling up the next slide * In a corner of the slide appears the countdown clock display - it begins at 60, then goes by seconds 59, 58, 57, and down to zero, at which point the next slide pops in to replace the previous slide, and that next slide *also* displays the countdown timer, beginning at 60 seconds, counting down again to zero. So far I have not located any clock applications which will automatically recycle in that fashion. If you know of any, please be so good as to supply a reference. Thanks, Brewster -- *** Embrace a progressively tolerant multicultural community of sustainable social-justice-centered harmonically sharing low-carbon diversity. *** W. Brewster Gillettb...@fdi.usPortland, OR USA *** Simply because you don't like to hear it, that doesn't make it untrue. *** -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles
I tend to agree with Wolfgang on this one. I think the difference for Felmon is that you are the master of documents. Sounds like its your job to clean up everyone's mess and you seem to get the final say on how the document will be structured. In the legal arena, it's rare that one person will be the master. Rather, you have a bunch of individuals, plus their administrative assistants all adding to the confusion. The master is the person who performs the final edit. The obvious problem is that there are simply too many different ways of accomplishing a task with our one size fits all office suites. Want it to work like a typewriter? You can do that. Want it to work like a typesetting printing press? You can do that, too. In the world of DOS, we all had to learn how our programs worked. Then as GUIs became popular, programs expanded to allow many different ways of working. In 2007, MS added yet another method with the Ribbon. It would be great to use a more structured environment like LyX/LaTeX. But, the learning curve there is so steep that I can't imagine any business professional having the patience to learn it. Virgil -Original Message- From: Felmon Davis Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 12:41 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles On Fri, 3 May 2013, Wolfgang Keller wrote: I never even try to share documents between different programs, such as Word and LO or OO. I never even try to share documents between two users using both the same program *and* the same document template, if the program is Word (or LO /OO). With these applications, the re-use of content is exclusively limited to raw, unformatted text. Trying anything else will drive you up the walls. your walls must be very adhesive. I share documents with people all the time because a couple of committees I've been on had me as the 'master of documents', that is, I would take other people's work and bundle it together, edit and produce drafts for them to work on, then I would do up the final report. they almost always are using some version of Word. sure, there are problems but my walls are pretty footprint-free. but I think this goes to show not only are there different standards of tolerance for problems, there different magnitudes of problems, thus, if I were dealing with 100 people instead of six or seven, it might be a different issue. of course I'm not denying there are other solutions which are technically superior in some way. but for many of us the situation is not as dire as you paint it, walls and all. F. If you need collaborative authoring, you need something that *imposes* a pre-defined document structure (such as e.g. an XML schema, LaTeX document classes unfortunately are not as restrictive) and thus absolutely locks out *any* possiblity of finger-painting, and preferrably something that also provides seamless integration for revision control systems such as e.g. Subversion. With LyX/LaTeX, structured XML authoring applications (or some document processing applications like Worperfect or Framemaker, provided the authors are perfectly disciplined), collaborative authoring is possible to a certain degree. With Word (or LO/OO) it is strictly impossible at any reasonable degree of efficiency. If there was a way in LO/OO to imperatively re-strict the user interface for a certain document to the application of styles defined within the document, this might improve things, but given how styles are implemented in LO/OO, I doubt that it would really work. Besides that styles don't hold structure information anyway, since templates aren't schemas in LO/OO. Sincerely, Wolfgang -- Felmon Davis You'd like to do it instantaneously, but that's too slow. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Impress query
I'm glad you know what you're after - maybe someone else will understand your question. As for me, I don't even understand the question ;-) But I have noticed your name - makes me wonder if you know where your Brewster originated; possibly we're cuz ;-) Yes, my mind tends to wander ... ;-) it ignores that which it doesn't wish to know, sticking with that which makes sense or is mysterious or ... ... ... ;-) On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Brewster Gillett b...@fdi.us wrote: On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Brewster Gillett b...@fdi.us wrote: Running LO 3.5.7.2 under Ubuntu 12.04 How can I insert a live countdown clock display in my slides, tied to the Advance slide Automatically after [ x seconds ] instruction? On Fri, 2013-05-03 at 12:40 -0500, anne-ology wrote: In Impress, you can set each slide to appear at differing times or you can set one time for each Hoping this answers your question, bg: Though I appreciate the response, no, it doesn't even address the question I raised, which was, How can I insert a live countdown clock display in my slides, tied to the Advance slide Automatically after [ x seconds ] instruction? IOW I already know how to set the appearance duration for slides - what I couldn't find was a way to incorporate a visible countdown display into the slide to track the timing for the audience. ...that feature may just not exist, though it sure does seem like it would be a useful one to have. Brewster On Fri, 2013-05-03 at 13:39 -0500, anne-ology wrote: There are numerous clock displays - surely one of these would suit your purpose; just plop the clock into the slide, set its size, and ;-) bg: I fear you have yet to grasp my intent; I have looked at several clocks, and saw none offering a countdown with a digital display - but that isn't the real question. The real question is how I might go about tying a countdown clock function into the slide display interval. So far I haven't uncovered any way of doing that without crunching code, which I am not nearly skilled enough to do. Actually it wouldn't have to communicate with Impress to accomplish that, but it would have to be capable of running a *repeating* cycle, once started. Let me attempt to rephrase what I'm looking for. I need a countdown timer (i.e. one that starts at a set interval, displays digital numbers following the seconds fown to zero, then resets itself to zero and restarts the countdown. It needs to synchronize with the interval set by Impress that applies to the on-screen duration of each slide. So for example: * Slide rolls up on the screen- Impress is set to display it for sixty seconds before rolling up the next slide * In a corner of the slide appears the countdown clock display - it begins at 60, then goes by seconds 59, 58, 57, and down to zero, at which point the next slide pops in to replace the previous slide, and that next slide *also* displays the countdown timer, beginning at 60 seconds, counting down again to zero. So far I have not located any clock applications which will automatically recycle in that fashion. If you know of any, please be so good as to supply a reference. Thanks, Brewster -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Impress query
To Brewster Gillett: I can't help with your search for knowledge, but feel impelled to comment on the stunning inability of the gang to comprehend your crystal clear, simple, and obvious description of that which you wish to accomplish. If your quest advances to the status of enhancement request, a useful extension would be the ability to set each countdown clock separately, so that different slides could be on display for differing time periods. You specified a digital counter; I would like the option for an analog clock. Since we're not likely to get any of this until we learn how to do our own coding, we may as well ask for the moon. MK -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Integer degrees in Draw
If you are going to use 4.0.2, you will have to use these degree Integers: 0 14 29 43 57 71 and 86. I'm using 4.2.0.2/Win7 and I can type in any integer I want between 0 and 359. Right click on the line, select Position and Size then select the Rotation tab. That doesn't completely solve your problem, but it's better than the restrictions noted above. -Bill On 5/3/2013 7:14 AM, Dan Lewis wrote: On 05/03/2013 06:09 AM, robertoo...@libero.it wrote: Hi, I need to set the degrees of a line to a decimal value, like 51,43 to divide 1 turn in 7. In 4.02 I am able to input only integer values. Is it a feature or a bug, or I miss an option? Thanks, Roberto Occa. It is a feature that has been introduced in 4.0. 3.6.6 permits you to set the degree angle for a line to 100th of a degree (English system). 4.0.2 and 4.0.3 both limit the degree angle to integers. If you are going to use 4.0.2, you will have to use these degree Intergers: 0 14 29 43 5771 and 86. Not as exact as you may want but the accuracy is less that 0.5 degrees. --Dan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] template paths
Thanks, but I guess I should have been more specific: I don't have access to a Windows or OS X machine with LibreOffice installed, or I would have looked it up myself. You notice I don't ask about Linux, because I could look that up for myself. On Friday, May 03, 2013 11:38:44 AM Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Isn't it somewhere in the User Profile? https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile If you open LibreOffice and go to Tools - Options - Paths that should tell you, i think. Regards from Tom :) From: Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net Regards from Tom :) From: Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 3 May 2013, 19:18 Subject: [libreoffice-users] template paths Hi: I am trying to fin To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 3 May 2013, 19:18 Subject: [libreoffice-users] template paths Hi: I am trying to find the location of template directories for both the system and for user accounts for both 32 and 64bit installations for OS X and Windows. The complete information is surprisingly hard to find. Can anyone help me out? I'd be especially grateful for OS X paths. Thanks, -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Paragraph styles (collaborating on documents)
At 18:56 03/05/2013 -0400, Felmon Davis wrote: I am confused. Oh, don't be! so what is the context of discussion? a) several individuals passing documents to and fro and b) each with a lot of formatting and c) each preferring their own formatting to others'? this indeed is a 'war of all against all' but then it's less a matter of word-processor vs latex or something but a problem of organization and coordination. Yes: that's indeed probably where word processors are less than up to the task. sorry if I was off topic. Not at all: you weren't. It's just that there is less of a problem if the last person is permitted to do whatever s/he wishes. Brian Barker -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
