Re: [libreoffice-users] Spell Check Dictionary
Jean-Francois, it looks like almost the same post of the original question, if I remember it correctly. I assume he presses Add to Dictionary as well as making sure he checks Standard [All}. I have asked that question before and it seems half of the people I asked did not since they did not know which dictionary their word would be added to. Once added, most also do not know how to remove it and did not want to make a mistake there by adding a wrongly spelled word. Of course, I do not know what types of words he was adding. Are they specific trade or company words/terms/names or was it some words that was not included in the default LO dictionaries. I might suggest he try the en_US dictionary that contains over 797 thousand words in its list, to see if it works better for him. Also, since he is using 4.0.4.2-9, which looks like a repository one, maybe there is a bug in that version. There has been Spell checker bugs, before, in the earlier versions. The 797 thousand word spell checker add on is at the following link, for the en_US version. http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/american-british-canadian-spelling-hyphen-thesaurus-dictionaries/releases/3.0/kpp-american-english-dictionary-797865-words-list.oxt On 05/21/2014 12:26 AM, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote: Mark, you didn't acknowledge my answer to your previous similar question in this mailing list (05/18). Le 21/05/2014 01:55, Mark LaPierre a écrit : Is there a setting somewhere that I've missed that will allow the use of a local dictionary? Is this a known bug? Here's what I suggested: 8 --- Have you ticked the following checkbox: Tools Options, Language Settings Writing Aids, User-defined dictionaries, Standard [All]? This done, LibO should behave --- 8 HTH, -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Printer Page/Paper Size?
On 5/20/2014 6:13 PM, Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote: You may be suffering from Worditis. Unlike Microsoft Office, which treats page size as a matter solely for printer settings, LibreOffice - more sensibly, in my opinion - treats page size as an aspect of page format. If you want to print a 11 x 17 page, you will first have to set the page to that size at Format | Page... | Page | Paper format | Format. Not at all. This is a very serious BUG in the Windows version of Libreoffice that has been there for over 3 years (inherited from : https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=65205 I finally found a workaround, and asked for some help in how to set this preference permanently, so I didn't have to change it every single time. To work around it: File Print Options and check the box Use only paper size from printer preferences The problem is, there doesn't seem to be any way to force this box to be checked all the time. Anyone have any ideas how I might do that? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Printer Page/Paper Size?
On Tue, 20 May 2014 23:13:11 +0100 Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote: [snip] Scenario: Just yesterday our Canon copier/printers were swapped out for newer models. (It didn't go as smoothly as was promised.) Now one of my users cannot print to 11x17 paper. That's on a Win7 box. Was the correct printer driver for the new printer installed on each PC? Well, it was on this particular user's PC. And on mine. [snip] You may be suffering from Worditis. Unlike Microsoft Office, which treats page size as a matter solely for printer settings, LibreOffice - more sensibly, in my opinion - treats page size as an aspect of page format. If you want to print a 11 x 17 page, you will first have to set the page to that size at Format | Page... | Page | Paper format | Format. I trust this helps. Nope. At least that formatting sticks, but it makes no difference. Interestingly: I can go to Printer Settings..., Properties... and set the page size to 11x17. And it sticks. But Print - Properties keeps reverting to 8.5x11. I've tried upgrading to 4.1.6. No help. I deleted C:\Documents and Settings\username\Application Data\LibreOffice (and OpenOffice). No joy. Saved it as a .docx. Brought it up in MS-Word 2007. Print - Print - Properties (same dialogue). Set to 11x17. Checked it. Setting stuck. Clicked Ok Printed 11x17, right off. No muss. No fuss. Being as users need to print engineering prints, large spreadsheets and the like: If I cannot work around this, LibreOffice will be out of here. Just when I was making headway, too :( Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 4.2 Proposal.
Dear ladies and gentlemen. LibreOffice 4.2 offers a new Start screen, and shows a preview of the last documents. Indeed, that is correct but I do not think it's good that everyone can open password protected documents without entering the password from this preview! This gives me a sense of insecurity and wonder whether it would not be better asking the password if the file is protected by a password. Hoping this proposal to be of service, I salute Gilbert WUYTACK. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 4.2 Proposal.
2014-05-21 15:06 GMT+02:00 Gilbert Wuytack g_wuyt...@hotmail.com: LibreOffice 4.2 offers a new Start screen, and shows a preview of the last documents. Indeed, that is correct but I do not think it's good that everyone can open password protected documents without entering the password from this preview! This gives me a sense of insecurity and wonder whether it would not be better asking the password if the file is protected by a password. I just did the following: - Started LibreOffice - Created a new document, typed a few words, then saved it password-protected - Closed it to return to the start screen: no preview image, and when clicked it ask for the password - Closed libreoffice, started it again: still no preview image, still asking for password I'd say that the start screen doesn't bypass the password protection mechanism in any way: it doesn't disclose a preview of the document, nor keep an unencrypted copy anywhere. Maybe I misunderstood, but I don't get the problem here. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 4.2 Proposal.
Cley Faye wrote (21-05-14 15:46) I'd say that the start screen doesn't bypass the password protection mechanism in any way: it doesn't disclose a preview of the document, nor keep an unencrypted copy anywhere. Indeed. There must be another problem with Gilberts situation. Cheers, -- Cor Nouws GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 - vrijwilliger http://nl.libreoffice.org - volunteer http://www.libreoffice.org - The Document Foundation Membership Committee Member -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Printer Page/Paper Size?
Hi :) Is there some way of rolling out the paper size to all documents or is it now fixed in them all and needs changing for each and every document? If MSO is picking up on the correct paper-size then i guess the correct drivers are there. Regards from Tom :) On 21 May 2014 14:27, Jim Seymour jseym...@linxnet.com wrote: On Tue, 20 May 2014 23:13:11 +0100 Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote: [snip] Scenario: Just yesterday our Canon copier/printers were swapped out for newer models. (It didn't go as smoothly as was promised.) Now one of my users cannot print to 11x17 paper. That's on a Win7 box. Was the correct printer driver for the new printer installed on each PC? Well, it was on this particular user's PC. And on mine. [snip] You may be suffering from Worditis. Unlike Microsoft Office, which treats page size as a matter solely for printer settings, LibreOffice - more sensibly, in my opinion - treats page size as an aspect of page format. If you want to print a 11 x 17 page, you will first have to set the page to that size at Format | Page... | Page | Paper format | Format. I trust this helps. Nope. At least that formatting sticks, but it makes no difference. Interestingly: I can go to Printer Settings..., Properties... and set the page size to 11x17. And it sticks. But Print - Properties keeps reverting to 8.5x11. I've tried upgrading to 4.1.6. No help. I deleted C:\Documents and Settings\username\Application Data\LibreOffice (and OpenOffice). No joy. Saved it as a .docx. Brought it up in MS-Word 2007. Print - Print - Properties (same dialogue). Set to 11x17. Checked it. Setting stuck. Clicked Ok Printed 11x17, right off. No muss. No fuss. Being as users need to print engineering prints, large spreadsheets and the like: If I cannot work around this, LibreOffice will be out of here. Just when I was making headway, too :( Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Printer Page/Paper Size?
On Wed, 21 May 2014 14:42:44 +0100 Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi :) Is there some way of rolling out the paper size to all documents or is it now fixed in them all and needs changing for each and every document? As to the first part: I've no clue. I've never heard of a way to do what you're suggesting, nor do I know how many documents throughout the company have fixed page sizes. But... I don't see how the question pertains to my problem. I've set the document size to 11x17 on a test doc and LO *still* insists on printing it to 8.5x11 paper. I cannot get LibréOffice under MS-Win, with the new copier/printers in-place, to print to anything other than 8.5x11 paper. If MSO is picking up on the correct paper-size then i guess the correct drivers are there. [snip] Yes, they are there. In LO I can even go to Print - Properties - Paper Source, mouse over the image on the left-hand side and it tells me Drawer 4 contains 11x17 paper. If I select that drawer and try to print, the copier stops with need letter size in Drawer 4. So even when LO is told to select a drawer that contains 11x17 paper, it still insists on letter size. Btw: LO 3.5.7.2 on my LinuxMint 13 MATE system prints to 11x17, no problem, as well. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 4.2 Proposal.
Hi :) I wonder if the file is stored in some weird format such as the MS formats? The native ODF formats seem to work just fine :) If it is a case of the format not working properly then it's still worth posting a bug-report about it. Part of the bug-reporting process is to see if there is already a bug-report and if so then you might be able to help by letting them know version numbers and things that might help pin-point the problem. This wiki-guide helps with all that; https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugReport Regards from Tom :) On 21 May 2014 14:46, Cley Faye cleyf...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-05-21 15:06 GMT+02:00 Gilbert Wuytack g_wuyt...@hotmail.com: LibreOffice 4.2 offers a new Start screen, and shows a preview of the last documents. Indeed, that is correct but I do not think it's good that everyone can open password protected documents without entering the password from this preview! This gives me a sense of insecurity and wonder whether it would not be better asking the password if the file is protected by a password. I just did the following: - Started LibreOffice - Created a new document, typed a few words, then saved it password-protected - Closed it to return to the start screen: no preview image, and when clicked it ask for the password - Closed libreoffice, started it again: still no preview image, still asking for password I'd say that the start screen doesn't bypass the password protection mechanism in any way: it doesn't disclose a preview of the document, nor keep an unencrypted copy anywhere. Maybe I misunderstood, but I don't get the problem here. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Tell me it's not true
Mark Stanton mark at vowleyfarm.co.uk writes: When I select the dBase connector it seems to say that queries cannot contain more than one table. Tekll me it's not true... Mark Stanton One small step for mankind... Mark, it IS NOT TRUE. I have routinely used ~25 tables, and run queries using 3 or more tables. I find it most useful to structure my queries using the SQL command line rather than the wizard, although it can be done using the wizard also. I am running Linux, and I use PostgreSQL for my database engine, and the Java JDBC Driver. An example two table query is: SELECT DISTINCT VenIndLoc.*, Products.* FROM All_IPO-wi_Industry_Location AS VenIndLoc, wms.Products AS Products WHERE VenIndLoc.CO_NAME = Products.COMPANY ORDER BY VenIndLoc.CO_NAME ASC, VenIndLoc.INVEST_NO DESC where the two tables used are VenIndLoc and Products. Hope that helps. Cheers, --Bill -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Capitalizing Similar to Sentence Structure for Fields
To me, this is as silly a concept as the lack of proper punctuation, ... ... ... how publishing has changed o'er the decades ;-) But if this first word to be capitalized is desired - having the reader stare at the thundering word to determine if it's supposed to be another acronym or merely typed in all caps - then is it that difficult to shift the little finger over to the shift key/shift lock key in order to type that word ;-) Just some passing thoughts from the KISs corner ;-) From: Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com Date: Mon, May 19, 2014 at 10:22 AM Subject: [libreoffice-users] Capitalizing Similar to Sentence Structure for Fields To: users@global.libreoffice.org Hi All, Bug report says that it's not possible to insert a field and capitalize like a sentence (ie. first word capitalized, everything else not). Can someone take a look at this: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76463list_id=424995 and tell me if it's currently possible. It seems like it is but I figured I'd go to the user list and ask to see if anyone knows how. If so can you list the steps (either to me, or on the bug report) on how to accomplish this. Thanks again, Joel -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Printer Page/Paper Size?
On 5/21/2014 11:11 AM, Jim Seymour jseym...@linxnet.com wrote: I cannot get LibréOffice under MS-Win, with the new copier/printers in-place, to print to anything other than 8.5x11 paper. did you miss my prior email. This is a KNOWN BUG, and there is a workaround: https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=65205 I finally found a workaround, and asked for some help in how to set this preference permanently, so I didn't have to change it every single time. To work around it: File Print Options and check the box Use only paper size from printer preferences snip Btw: LO 3.5.7.2 on my LinuxMint 13 MATE system prints to 11x17, no problem, as well. Because, as the bug notes, it is a Windows only problem. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Spell Check Dictionary
Kracked_P_P---webmaster: I might suggest he try the en_US dictionary that contains over 797 thousand words in its list, That dictionary contains just 476898 words actually. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
If you've done much work positioning graphics in text, then you know how difficult it can be to make sure that the graphics stay in place. In the past, many experts have come up with recommendations about the best settings to use, but these suggestions either don't work if you try to export to another format or else have been made obsolete by changes to the program over the year. In preparation for my upcoming book on OpenOffice/LibreOffice, I'm hoping to solve this problem once and for all. Could anyone who is interested reproduce the two methods below, then try to break them by copying and pasting, adding text around the graphics, and anything else you can think of? I would be very interested in hearing results, especially on platforms other than Linux. Method #1: Right-click on a graphic, and select Picture - Options - Protect _ Position and Size. Method #2: 1. Turn off auto-caption in Tools Options 2. Create table with 1 column, 2 rows. Set space above and below. Do not allow to splilt across page or column, or keep with next paragraph, do not create heading row. 3. Set space above and below table (multiple of line height) 4. Place picture in 1st row. If you have trouble placing it in a cell, space down in the cell a few times before inserting the picture. 5. Position picture: either move using alignment or, if you want an indentation from the left, adjust from right, subtracting space from the total width of the table. 6. Add caption in second row. If graphic is indented, you will need to create a caption paragraph style with an indent. 7. In table context menu, unselect Table Boundaries. For convenience, you may want to unselect only before you print. Thanks to anyone whose curiosity or need encourages them to join the experiment. -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Spell Check Dictionary
Hi :) It's interesting that i believed it until i saw who posted it. Now i have no idea but think it's unlikely. I could believe the US trying to dumb things or be less confusing by removing words so that people have fewer to choose from. Regards from Tom :) On 21 May 2014 18:09, Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: Kracked_P_P---webmaster: I might suggest he try the en_US dictionary that contains over 797 thousand words in its list, That dictionary contains just 476898 words actually. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
Bruce, Your post is very timely. I've been wrestling with a document containing 15 photographs with captions. I wanted to insert them into the text with text wrapping around the pictures. I made numerous attempts and often found myself trying to move or resize a picture just a little bit. When I tried, the picture suddenly changed to a different page (with either paragraph or character anchoring). At one point, I had a sproingg!! moment and found 6 pictures had jumped to one location and were piled on top of each other. I had placed these six images on 3 or 4 different pages. I finally gave up and reverted to my reliable Atlantis and created a separate Appendix document consisting of a single picture on each page. I'm sure I could have done this with LO Writer, but Atlantis made the whole process so easy that I just used it to get the job done. When I have a few more minutes, I'll try to recreate both of your methods to see how they work. I'll let you know how it works. Virgil On 5/21/2014 3:16 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote: If you've done much work positioning graphics in text, then you know how difficult it can be to make sure that the graphics stay in place. In the past, many experts have come up with recommendations about the best settings to use, but these suggestions either don't work if you try to export to another format or else have been made obsolete by changes to the program over the year. In preparation for my upcoming book on OpenOffice/LibreOffice, I'm hoping to solve this problem once and for all. Could anyone who is interested reproduce the two methods below, then try to break them by copying and pasting, adding text around the graphics, and anything else you can think of? I would be very interested in hearing results, especially on platforms other than Linux. Method #1: Right-click on a graphic, and select Picture - Options - Protect _ Position and Size. Method #2: 1. Turn off auto-caption in Tools Options 2. Create table with 1 column, 2 rows. Set space above and below. Do not allow to splilt across page or column, or keep with next paragraph, do not create heading row. 3. Set space above and below table (multiple of line height) 4. Place picture in 1st row. If you have trouble placing it in a cell, space down in the cell a few times before inserting the picture. 5. Position picture: either move using alignment or, if you want an indentation from the left, adjust from right, subtracting space from the total width of the table. 6. Add caption in second row. If graphic is indented, you will need to create a caption paragraph style with an indent. 7. In table context menu, unselect Table Boundaries. For convenience, you may want to unselect only before you print. Thanks to anyone whose curiosity or need encourages them to join the experiment. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
Hi, Tom: Mainly in relation to the wording around them. On Wednesday 21 May 2014 09:26:21 PM Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Do you mean position of the images in relation to the wording around them or static on specific pages regardless of the text (or lack of) on that page? Regards from Tom :) On 21 May 2014 20:16, Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net wrote: If you've done much work positioning graphics in text, then you know how difficult it can be to make sure that the graphics stay in place. In the past, many experts have come up with recommendations about the best settings to use, but these suggestions either don't work if you try to export to another format or else have been made obsolete by changes to the program over the year. In preparation for my upcoming book on OpenOffice/LibreOffice, I'm hoping to solve this problem once and for all. Could anyone who is interested reproduce the two methods below, then try to break them by copying and pasting, adding text around the graphics, and anything else you can think of? I would be very interested in hearing results, especially on platforms other than Linux. Method #1: Right-click on a graphic, and select Picture - Options - Protect _ Position and Size. Method #2: 1. Turn off auto-caption in Tools Options 2. Create table with 1 column, 2 rows. Set space above and below. Do not allow to splilt across page or column, or keep with next paragraph, do not create heading row. 3. Set space above and below table (multiple of line height) 4. Place picture in 1st row. If you have trouble placing it in a cell, space down in the cell a few times before inserting the picture. 5. Position picture: either move using alignment or, if you want an indentation from the left, adjust from right, subtracting space from the total width of the table. 6. Add caption in second row. If graphic is indented, you will need to create a caption paragraph style with an indent. 7. In table context menu, unselect Table Boundaries. For convenience, you may want to unselect only before you print. Thanks to anyone whose curiosity or need encourages them to join the experiment. -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] QA Regular Call
Hi All, We have moved our regular calls to every other week on Wednesday's at 1730 UTC. So next call: Wednesday, June 4th Time: 1730 As always we'll send out at least one reminder prior to the call and we encourage users and all contributors to join. The call is both by phone and video through google hangouts. Warm Regards, Joel -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
Okay, Bruce, I just tried method 1 using LO 4.1.5.3 on Windows 7. I inserted about 11 pictures. I then resized them using a Frame Style I had previously set up. I then moved them into position where I wanted them and, once in place, I protected both their positions and size using your first method. On a couple occasions, LO stopped responding for a few seconds, but it recovered. It was generally going well until I got to the 10th picture. After setting its size with my Frame Style, I just couldn't move it to my desired location. I kept trying when, Sproing!! The 10th picture got stuck in a footer and the 9th picture (on which I had already protected both size and position) suddenly resized itself, stretching from the top margin to the bottom margin. It had originally only covered about half the page from top to bottom. So, obviously the protect size and position didn't work. Dang! I thought I had it. Virgil On 5/21/2014 3:16 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote: If you've done much work positioning graphics in text, then you know how difficult it can be to make sure that the graphics stay in place. In the past, many experts have come up with recommendations about the best settings to use, but these suggestions either don't work if you try to export to another format or else have been made obsolete by changes to the program over the year. In preparation for my upcoming book on OpenOffice/LibreOffice, I'm hoping to solve this problem once and for all. Could anyone who is interested reproduce the two methods below, then try to break them by copying and pasting, adding text around the graphics, and anything else you can think of? I would be very interested in hearing results, especially on platforms other than Linux. Method #1: Right-click on a graphic, and select Picture - Options - Protect _ Position and Size. Method #2: 1. Turn off auto-caption in Tools Options 2. Create table with 1 column, 2 rows. Set space above and below. Do not allow to splilt across page or column, or keep with next paragraph, do not create heading row. 3. Set space above and below table (multiple of line height) 4. Place picture in 1st row. If you have trouble placing it in a cell, space down in the cell a few times before inserting the picture. 5. Position picture: either move using alignment or, if you want an indentation from the left, adjust from right, subtracting space from the total width of the table. 6. Add caption in second row. If graphic is indented, you will need to create a caption paragraph style with an indent. 7. In table context menu, unselect Table Boundaries. For convenience, you may want to unselect only before you print. Thanks to anyone whose curiosity or need encourages them to join the experiment. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
On 5/21/2014 4:36 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I've had trouble with text not flowing into obvious white-spaces between fairly large images. I've got a feeling that Draw might be better for my newsletter but i've never had time to set-up the text-boxes and really give it a fair go. Other people have been urging me to try inkscape for it but i've always stuck to writer and just had fun with it. Regards from Tom :) In the past, when I've had such problems, people have suggested using a desktop publisher, like Scribus. I probably should, but that's just another learning curve. For my current project, I tried it on LO Writer, LyX, ReText (markdown), and Atlantis. Of the four, LO worked the worst. Sorry, TDF, just calling it like it is (at least the way I perceive it). I'll assume it's user error, but with Bruce's question, it seems I'm not alone. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] non-mainstream
Anne, Virgil, Tom, I only just saw this thread, thanks to Anne's restarting it. I wish I could follow this list more closely, but I just can't. This thread matters to me, however, so I feel compelled to jump in. Tom, and all - Your initial post is probably the most courageous, human, and gripping thing I've ever read on this list. I've always had a strong sense that you are much in touch with your valuing other people, and your awareness of them, and of yourseflf. In these things, you are in my estimation exceptional. Does this confer a kind of vulnerability? Surely. But the show is worth the cost of the ticket. You lead by example, without question, and I love that example! It is an undeniable fact that we are social animals. Remove that from us and we become mute, because we no longer have a common language. We also likely become naked (ready for that?) and tool-less (ouch - no computers!!!). Going the other direction, a society of robots sounds unrewarding in the very areas that typically end up mattering most to most of us, especially at critical times - like the death of a child, or when confronting an apparently unsolvable problem, or when encountering our own finiteness. I don't want impersonal relations. I want people in my life. I can easily predict that virtually everyone else does too. People are more than data and intelligence and decisions. We have bodies and feelings, smiles and laughter and tears. I want all of that. Don't you? I'll bet you do. Being different is an interesting fate, and also as much illusion as fact. Two issues arise rather quickly, and they aren't often enough distinguished: self-acceptance and acceptance by others. I can (for those who are interested) give some exceptionally persuasive references in support of the proposition that these two issues are VERY intimately related - most particularly in our early years. When adult, it may be hoped (but hardly always achieved) that we are self-supporting enough to be only modestly reliant on acceptance from others. But must of us still need at least SOME of this, and fairly routinely. I know I do. However, there is this qualification: my computer accepts me all the time (well, most of the time). But I never get a hug. My friends, acquaintances, and clients accept me most of the time, too, but offer so much more, including hugs. I may spend more hours with my computer, but I prefer my friends, acquaintances, and clients. ...and now to Virgil - I think there is some truth to what you say, and it has to do with this: When dealing with problems, which is what we do most of the time here, keeping the level of affect (feelings) produced in our brain moderated allows our perceptions and cerebral cortex to function unimpaired by the disruptions that are caused by affective excess. But who wants primarily to dialog with a computer? Or a robot? And who wants to be up in their cerebral cortex all the time? Is that what your wife wants from you? Your kids? Your dog? You? You know the answer. Well, I'm like your dog. I want more. I think that if the truth be known we all do. Yeah, I suspect that more than a few here are exceptionally developed relative to problem solving skills, and possibly less developed in supportive, rewarding social relations skills. So...with that awareness in mind, let's just work a bit at keep all of ourselves involved here. Tom D. did, when he told his story. Practice make better. Anne - yeah, you're right. That's one reason why I have never ever used an avatar on the Internet, unless I was doing an investigation of some ill-behaved person and needed to move unseen. You can go to my professional website and get my phone number (or nabble, and look at my signature block). This is who I am, and it's never been a problem. I strongly dislike avatars. If you cannot stand out where I can see you, you'd better have a darned good reason. If it were me, no one on this list would be here without an email address to which a name and phone number was attached. Just grow up, people! One off-topic final note: I'm not finished with the bullying issue. It relates in several ways to much of what I've already said. I'm working on a blog post that will make this clear. I'll bring the link to the list, when it's ready. I've been slow getting to it, as there are many alligators in my swamp just now. t. On 05/21/2014 01:41 PM, anne-ology wrote: On the other hand, this anonymity is the reason these criminal types (hackers, spammers/scammers, ...) are able to roam 'round - with no fears of being caught ;-( For that reason, many of us are wary - maybe even overly cautious ;-) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com Date: Tue, May 20, 2014 at 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] non-mainstream To: users@global.libreoffice.org On 05/19/2014 07:42 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Last week we had an
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
Hi :) Do you mean position of the images in relation to the wording around them or static on specific pages regardless of the text (or lack of) on that page? Regards from Tom :) On 21 May 2014 20:16, Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net wrote: If you've done much work positioning graphics in text, then you know how difficult it can be to make sure that the graphics stay in place. In the past, many experts have come up with recommendations about the best settings to use, but these suggestions either don't work if you try to export to another format or else have been made obsolete by changes to the program over the year. In preparation for my upcoming book on OpenOffice/LibreOffice, I'm hoping to solve this problem once and for all. Could anyone who is interested reproduce the two methods below, then try to break them by copying and pasting, adding text around the graphics, and anything else you can think of? I would be very interested in hearing results, especially on platforms other than Linux. Method #1: Right-click on a graphic, and select Picture - Options - Protect _ Position and Size. Method #2: 1. Turn off auto-caption in Tools Options 2. Create table with 1 column, 2 rows. Set space above and below. Do not allow to splilt across page or column, or keep with next paragraph, do not create heading row. 3. Set space above and below table (multiple of line height) 4. Place picture in 1st row. If you have trouble placing it in a cell, space down in the cell a few times before inserting the picture. 5. Position picture: either move using alignment or, if you want an indentation from the left, adjust from right, subtracting space from the total width of the table. 6. Add caption in second row. If graphic is indented, you will need to create a caption paragraph style with an indent. 7. In table context menu, unselect Table Boundaries. For convenience, you may want to unselect only before you print. Thanks to anyone whose curiosity or need encourages them to join the experiment. -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
Virgil: I didn't think it could be so easy. I suspect that the second method may be more reliable. Frames seem to be wonky in the latest releases, but tables seem to have fewer problems. On Wednesday 21 May 2014 06:26:44 PM Virgil Arrington wrote: Okay, Bruce, I just tried method 1 using LO 4.1.5.3 on Windows 7. I inserted about 11 pictures. I then resized them using a Frame Style I had previously set up. I then moved them into position where I wanted them and, once in place, I protected both their positions and size using your first method. On a couple occasions, LO stopped responding for a few seconds, but it recovered. It was generally going well until I got to the 10th picture. After setting its size with my Frame Style, I just couldn't move it to my desired location. I kept trying when, Sproing!! The 10th picture got stuck in a footer and the 9th picture (on which I had already protected both size and position) suddenly resized itself, stretching from the top margin to the bottom margin. It had originally only covered about half the page from top to bottom. So, obviously the protect size and position didn't work. Dang! I thought I had it. Virgil On 5/21/2014 3:16 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote: If you've done much work positioning graphics in text, then you know how difficult it can be to make sure that the graphics stay in place. In the past, many experts have come up with recommendations about the best settings to use, but these suggestions either don't work if you try to export to another format or else have been made obsolete by changes to the program over the year. In preparation for my upcoming book on OpenOffice/LibreOffice, I'm hoping to solve this problem once and for all. Could anyone who is interested reproduce the two methods below, then try to break them by copying and pasting, adding text around the graphics, and anything else you can think of? I would be very interested in hearing results, especially on platforms other than Linux. Method #1: Right-click on a graphic, and select Picture - Options - Protect _ Position and Size. Method #2: 1. Turn off auto-caption in Tools Options 2. Create table with 1 column, 2 rows. Set space above and below. Do not allow to splilt across page or column, or keep with next paragraph, do not create heading row. 3. Set space above and below table (multiple of line height) 4. Place picture in 1st row. If you have trouble placing it in a cell, space down in the cell a few times before inserting the picture. 5. Position picture: either move using alignment or, if you want an indentation from the left, adjust from right, subtracting space from the total width of the table. 6. Add caption in second row. If graphic is indented, you will need to create a caption paragraph style with an indent. 7. In table context menu, unselect Table Boundaries. For convenience, you may want to unselect only before you print. Thanks to anyone whose curiosity or need encourages them to join the experiment. -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Spell Check Dictionary
On 05/21/14 00:26, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote: Mark, you didn't acknowledge my answer to your previous similar question in this mailing list (05/18). Le 21/05/2014 01:55, Mark LaPierre a écrit : Is there a setting somewhere that I've missed that will allow the use of a local dictionary? Is this a known bug? Here's what I suggested: 8 --- Have you ticked the following checkbox: Tools Options, Language Settings Writing Aids, User-defined dictionaries, Standard [All]? This done, LibO should behave --- 8 HTH, DONE -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Spell Check Dictionary
On 05/21/14 15:20, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) It's interesting that i believed it until i saw who posted it. Now i have no idea but think it's unlikely. I could believe the US trying to dumb things or be less confusing by removing words so that people have fewer to choose from. Regards from Tom :) On 21 May 2014 18:09, Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: Kracked_P_P---webmaster: I might suggest he try the en_US dictionary that contains over 797 thousand words in its list, That dictionary contains just 476898 words actually. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted English sucks as a language anyway. It's a conglomeration of words grafted on from many other real languages that mostly still adhere to the rules of the original language. The result is that English has no consistent rules without the ever present, Except, word. This paragraph contains one of the prime examples. I almost all cases adding apostrophe s on the end of a word denotes ownership, i.e. Tom's car, but to indicate ownership with the word it the 's' is added without the apostrophe. Of course its could also indicate multiple quantities of its. Then there are words like disgruntled. Has anyone ever been gruntled? Then too as in also, two as in one more then one, and to as in where you are going. There's lead as in the heavy metal, lead as in being shown the way, lead as in showing the way. -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Printer Page/Paper Size?
El 2014-05-21 07:27, Jim Seymour escribió: Interestingly: I can go to Printer Settings..., Properties... and set the page size to 11x17. And it sticks. But Print - Properties keeps reverting to 8.5x11. I've tried upgrading to 4.1.6. No help. I deleted C:\Documents and Settings\username\Application Data\LibreOffice (and OpenOffice). No joy. I usually print to pdf and use it later, to print phisically. I tried both methods: i) Printer settings, properties and ii) Print, properties and both worked. What I did: First, I set the document page size to folio. Second, I set the phisical page size to folio. I saved, closed the program, loaded LO, loaded the file, and the settings persisted. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
On 5/21/2014 4:26 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Do you mean position of the images in relation to the wording around them or static on specific pages regardless of the text (or lack of) on that page? Regards from Tom :) I think you've hit the nail on the head in terms of identifying the challenge for the LO developers. When positioning pictures, you want them both in a certain place on a page *and* you want certain text around them -- hence the anchoring option. Getting both is a real challenge. I think with Bruce's first method, the program (tries to) preserve the size and position of picture at a given point on the page. As I added and removed text around the pictures after preserving size and position, the pictures didn't move. That was what I wanted and, like I said, it worked well until I got too many pictures (10). Then the spring sprung. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] non-mainstream
Tom C. I generally don't disagree with you concerning human relations. However, I don't want *all* of my human interactions to be as emotionally connected as you seem to imply. I have my family and close intimate friends, with whom I communicate directly, and rarely through e-communication. I then I have my church family, with whom I am open emotionally, but not as much as with my genetic family. Then there are e-mail lists of a more personal subject matter on which I will share more openly. But, this is a techno-geek lists. It exists *primarily* to help users learn how to get the most out of LO. While I appreciate the interaction on this list, I won't deceive myself into thinking that this is an emotionally intimate support system. By it's nature, it can't be, nor do I think it is intended to be. Virgil On 5/21/2014 5:49 PM, Tom Cloyd wrote: Anne, Virgil, Tom, I only just saw this thread, thanks to Anne's restarting it. I wish I could follow this list more closely, but I just can't. This thread matters to me, however, so I feel compelled to jump in. Tom, and all - Your initial post is probably the most courageous, human, and gripping thing I've ever read on this list. I've always had a strong sense that you are much in touch with your valuing other people, and your awareness of them, and of yourseflf. In these things, you are in my estimation exceptional. Does this confer a kind of vulnerability? Surely. But the show is worth the cost of the ticket. You lead by example, without question, and I love that example! It is an undeniable fact that we are social animals. Remove that from us and we become mute, because we no longer have a common language. We also likely become naked (ready for that?) and tool-less (ouch - no computers!!!). Going the other direction, a society of robots sounds unrewarding in the very areas that typically end up mattering most to most of us, especially at critical times - like the death of a child, or when confronting an apparently unsolvable problem, or when encountering our own finiteness. I don't want impersonal relations. I want people in my life. I can easily predict that virtually everyone else does too. People are more than data and intelligence and decisions. We have bodies and feelings, smiles and laughter and tears. I want all of that. Don't you? I'll bet you do. Being different is an interesting fate, and also as much illusion as fact. Two issues arise rather quickly, and they aren't often enough distinguished: self-acceptance and acceptance by others. I can (for those who are interested) give some exceptionally persuasive references in support of the proposition that these two issues are VERY intimately related - most particularly in our early years. When adult, it may be hoped (but hardly always achieved) that we are self-supporting enough to be only modestly reliant on acceptance from others. But must of us still need at least SOME of this, and fairly routinely. I know I do. However, there is this qualification: my computer accepts me all the time (well, most of the time). But I never get a hug. My friends, acquaintances, and clients accept me most of the time, too, but offer so much more, including hugs. I may spend more hours with my computer, but I prefer my friends, acquaintances, and clients. ...and now to Virgil - I think there is some truth to what you say, and it has to do with this: When dealing with problems, which is what we do most of the time here, keeping the level of affect (feelings) produced in our brain moderated allows our perceptions and cerebral cortex to function unimpaired by the disruptions that are caused by affective excess. But who wants primarily to dialog with a computer? Or a robot? And who wants to be up in their cerebral cortex all the time? Is that what your wife wants from you? Your kids? Your dog? You? You know the answer. Well, I'm like your dog. I want more. I think that if the truth be known we all do. Yeah, I suspect that more than a few here are exceptionally developed relative to problem solving skills, and possibly less developed in supportive, rewarding social relations skills. So...with that awareness in mind, let's just work a bit at keep all of ourselves involved here. Tom D. did, when he told his story. Practice make better. Anne - yeah, you're right. That's one reason why I have never ever used an avatar on the Internet, unless I was doing an investigation of some ill-behaved person and needed to move unseen. You can go to my professional website and get my phone number (or nabble, and look at my signature block). This is who I am, and it's never been a problem. I strongly dislike avatars. If you cannot stand out where I can see you, you'd better have a darned good reason. If it were me, no one on this list would be here without an email address to which a name and phone number was attached. Just grow up, people! One
Re: [libreoffice-users] non-mainstream
Virgil - exactly; and my thinking as well. From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com Date: Wed, May 21, 2014 at 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] non-mainstream To: users@global.libreoffice.org Tom C. I generally don't disagree with you concerning human relations. However, I don't want *all* of my human interactions to be as emotionally connected as you seem to imply. I have my family and close intimate friends, with whom I communicate directly, and rarely through e-communication. I then I have my church family, with whom I am open emotionally, but not as much as with my genetic family. Then there are e-mail lists of a more personal subject matter on which I will share more openly. But, this is a techno-geek lists. It exists *primarily* to help users learn how to get the most out of LO. While I appreciate the interaction on this list, I won't deceive myself into thinking that this is an emotionally intimate support system. By it's nature, it can't be, nor do I think it is intended to be. Virgil On 5/21/2014 5:49 PM, Tom Cloyd wrote: Anne, Virgil, Tom, I only just saw this thread, thanks to Anne's restarting it. I wish I could follow this list more closely, but I just can't. This thread matters to me, however, so I feel compelled to jump in. Tom, and all - Your initial post is probably the most courageous, human, and gripping thing I've ever read on this list. I've always had a strong sense that you are much in touch with your valuing other people, and your awareness of them, and of yourseflf. In these things, you are in my estimation exceptional. Does this confer a kind of vulnerability? Surely. But the show is worth the cost of the ticket. You lead by example, without question, and I love that example! It is an undeniable fact that we are social animals. Remove that from us and we become mute, because we no longer have a common language. We also likely become naked (ready for that?) and tool-less (ouch - no computers!!!). Going the other direction, a society of robots sounds unrewarding in the very areas that typically end up mattering most to most of us, especially at critical times - like the death of a child, or when confronting an apparently unsolvable problem, or when encountering our own finiteness. I don't want impersonal relations. I want people in my life. I can easily predict that virtually everyone else does too. People are more than data and intelligence and decisions. We have bodies and feelings, smiles and laughter and tears. I want all of that. Don't you? I'll bet you do. Being different is an interesting fate, and also as much illusion as fact. Two issues arise rather quickly, and they aren't often enough distinguished: self-acceptance and acceptance by others. I can (for those who are interested) give some exceptionally persuasive references in support of the proposition that these two issues are VERY intimately related - most particularly in our early years. When adult, it may be hoped (but hardly always achieved) that we are self-supporting enough to be only modestly reliant on acceptance from others. But must of us still need at least SOME of this, and fairly routinely. I know I do. However, there is this qualification: my computer accepts me all the time (well, most of the time). But I never get a hug. My friends, acquaintances, and clients accept me most of the time, too, but offer so much more, including hugs. I may spend more hours with my computer, but I prefer my friends, acquaintances, and clients. ...and now to Virgil - I think there is some truth to what you say, and it has to do with this: When dealing with problems, which is what we do most of the time here, keeping the level of affect (feelings) produced in our brain moderated allows our perceptions and cerebral cortex to function unimpaired by the disruptions that are caused by affective excess. But who wants primarily to dialog with a computer? Or a robot? And who wants to be up in their cerebral cortex all the time? Is that what your wife wants from you? Your kids? Your dog? You? You know the answer. Well, I'm like your dog. I want more. I think that if the truth be known we all do. Yeah, I suspect that more than a few here are exceptionally developed relative to problem solving skills, and possibly less developed in supportive, rewarding social relations skills. So...with that awareness in mind, let's just work a bit at keep all of ourselves involved here. Tom D. did, when he told his story. Practice make better. Anne - yeah, you're right. That's one reason why I have never ever used an avatar on the Internet, unless I was doing an investigation of some ill-behaved person and needed to move unseen. You can go to my professional website and get my phone number (or nabble, and look at my signature block). This is who I am, and it's never been a problem. I strongly dislike avatars. If you cannot stand out where I
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Spell Check Dictionary
An anti-English troll- that's a new one for this list. :) I can't say that I've studied every language in the world, but I did study French, New Testament Greek and Ancient Hebrew. Guess what? They ALL have weird rules, exceptions and strange words. This would be due to the fact that languages are mostly used by humans who can be a little bit creative. I studied some rigidly conformist languages but they were rather dull. As far as I know there is no equivalent for I love you in BASIC, FORTRAN or C++ Keith- whose name disproves the i before e rule On 22/05/14 10:37, Mark LaPierre wrote: English sucks as a language anyway. It's a conglomeration of words grafted on from many other real languages that mostly still adhere to the rules of the original language. The result is that English has no consistent rules without the ever present, Except, word. This paragraph contains one of the prime examples. I almost all cases adding apostrophe s on the end of a word denotes ownership, i.e. Tom's car, but to indicate ownership with the word it the 's' is added without the apostrophe. Of course its could also indicate multiple quantities of its. Then there are words like disgruntled. Has anyone ever been gruntled? Then too as in also, two as in one more then one, and to as in where you are going. There's lead as in the heavy metal, lead as in being shown the way, lead as in showing the way. -- God bless you Keith Bates 4 Mooloobar St Narrabri Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] FrameMaker flow management does it better
Bruce:Explain to the folks how FrameMaker's management of anchored graphics does it better, and could be well emulated by the OOo varieties. In fact, FM's xref formats, index entry formats, ToC, LoF, LoT formats and much more should be implemented in OOo's.Regards,Hedley -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Spell Check Dictionary
At 20:37 21/05/2014 -0400, Mark LaPierre wrote: In almost all cases adding apostrophe s on the end of a word denotes ownership, i.e. Tom's car, .. With nouns and proper nouns, yes. (Actually grammatical possession, not ownership: Tom may own Tom's car but Tom does not own Tom's home town!) ... but to indicate ownership with the word it the 's' is added without the apostrophe. That's no exception: it is not a noun but a pronoun. You would no more put an apostrophe in the corresponding possessive pronoun its than you would write m'y our you'r or hi's or he'r or ou'r or thei'r! Of course its could also indicate multiple quantities of its. No: two its are a them. Then there are words like disgruntled. Has anyone ever been gruntled? No, but they have gruntled - that is, made little grunts. And dis- here is an intensifier, not a negator. Then too as in also, two as in one more then one, and to as in where you are going. Since when have homophones been a problem? There's lead as in the heavy metal, lead as in being shown the way, lead as in showing the way. Since when have homographs been a problem? (Oh, and that middle example should be led anyway!) Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
On Wednesday 21 May 2014 09:01:19 PM Virgil Arrington wrote: I think you've hit the nail on the head in terms of identifying the challenge for the LO developers. When positioning pictures, you want them both in a certain place on a page *and* you want certain text around them -- hence the anchoring option. Getting both is a real challenge. I think with Bruce's first method, the program (tries to) preserve the size and position of picture at a given point on the page. As I added and removed text around the pictures after preserving size and position, the pictures didn't move. That was what I wanted and, like I said, it worked well until I got too many pictures (10). Then the spring sprung. I wonder: 1. Is the number of pictures the problem? Or was there some way in which the program was trying to do the impossible -- for instance, keeping a picture in a position that was too small for it? 2. Could the anchor position have an effect? 3. What if the picture was placed inside a frame, and the frame size and position protected? I'm going to see what results I get in answering these questions. I'll post my results, probably by tomorrow evening. -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] FrameMaker flow management does it better
On Thursday 22 May 2014 11:32:03 AM Hedley Finger wrote: Bruce:Explain to the folks how FrameMaker's management of anchored graphics does it better, and could be well emulated by the OOo varieties. In fact, FM's xref formats, index entry formats, ToC, LoF, LoT formats and much more should be implemented in OOo's.Regards,Hedley Hedley: Cross-references are improved by using autotext to create some building blocks, although they're still not as good as in FrameMaker. ToCs and the like are clumsy but tolerable when you get to know them, although organized differently from FrameMaker's. But the anchored graphics -- there, I miss FrameMaker something fierce. I don't know what's so hard about the concept that an anchor is supposed to keep a graphic where you put it. -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
On 05/21/2014 03:16 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote: If you've done much work positioning graphics in text, then you know how difficult it can be to make sure that the graphics stay in place. In the past, many experts have come up with recommendations about the best settings to use, but these suggestions either don't work if you try to export to another format or else have been made obsolete by changes to the program over the year. In preparation for my upcoming book on OpenOffice/LibreOffice, I'm hoping to solve this problem once and for all. Could anyone who is interested reproduce the two methods below, then try to break them by copying and pasting, adding text around the graphics, and anything else you can think of? I would be very interested in hearing results, especially on platforms other than Linux. Method #1: Right-click on a graphic, and select Picture - Options - Protect _ Position and Size. Method #2: 1. Turn off auto-caption in Tools Options 2. Create table with 1 column, 2 rows. Set space above and below. Do not allow to splilt across page or column, or keep with next paragraph, do not create heading row. 3. Set space above and below table (multiple of line height) 4. Place picture in 1st row. If you have trouble placing it in a cell, space down in the cell a few times before inserting the picture. 5. Position picture: either move using alignment or, if you want an indentation from the left, adjust from right, subtracting space from the total width of the table. 6. Add caption in second row. If graphic is indented, you will need to create a caption paragraph style with an indent. 7. In table context menu, unselect Table Boundaries. For convenience, you may want to unselect only before you print. Thanks to anyone whose curiosity or need encourages them to join the experiment. I don't have problems with placing graphics where I want them, but then again, I do not wrap any text around them. Perhaps this is the problem? I have a file created by LibreOffice 4.1.6 and 4.2.4 that has 73 graphics and 4 images. I have no problem keeping them where I put them. The name of the file is BG4204Forms20140501.odt. It is available for download athttps://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation. You will need to scroll down to the Base Guide section of this web page. Another thought that may or may not have anything to do with the problem. These are the settings that I use in Tools Options Memory: Undo steps: 20, Graphics cache Use for LibreOffice 252MB, Memory per object 2.0MB, Remove from memory after 1:00 (h:m), number of objects 252. When inserting a graphic, the following steps are used: 1. Create a paragraph style for the frames with the alignment centered and any other style properties needed. 2 Create an empty paragraph. 3. Create a frame anchored to this paragraph 4. Anchor the frame as a character 5. Insert the caption in the bottom of the frame. 6. Insert the graphic in the frame 7. Anchor the graphic as a character). Over the past 10 years or more I have been doing this without any problems in any of the chapters I have written for the ODFAuthors group. There is one more thing that I do that automates several of these steps: I use AutoText. It creates the frame with steps 1, 3, 4, and 5. This just leaves me to create an empty paragraph, insert the graphic, and anchor it as a character. In addition, I also resize the frame if I think it needs it. --Dan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
On Wednesday 21 May 2014 10:22:41 PM Dan Lewis wrote: On 05/21/2014 03:16 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote: If you've done much work positioning graphics in text, then you know how difficult it can be to make sure that the graphics stay in place. In the past, many experts have come up with recommendations about the best settings to use, but these suggestions either don't work if you try to export to another format or else have been made obsolete by changes to the program over the year. In preparation for my upcoming book on OpenOffice/LibreOffice, I'm hoping to solve this problem once and for all. Could anyone who is interested reproduce the two methods below, then try to break them by copying and pasting, adding text around the graphics, and anything else you can think of? I would be very interested in hearing results, especially on platforms other than Linux. Method #1: Right-click on a graphic, and select Picture - Options - Protect _ Position and Size. Method #2: 1. Turn off auto-caption in Tools Options 2. Create table with 1 column, 2 rows. Set space above and below. Do not allow to splilt across page or column, or keep with next paragraph, do not create heading row. 3. Set space above and below table (multiple of line height) 4. Place picture in 1st row. If you have trouble placing it in a cell, space down in the cell a few times before inserting the picture. 5. Position picture: either move using alignment or, if you want an indentation from the left, adjust from right, subtracting space from the total width of the table. 6. Add caption in second row. If graphic is indented, you will need to create a caption paragraph style with an indent. 7. In table context menu, unselect Table Boundaries. For convenience, you may want to unselect only before you print. Thanks to anyone whose curiosity or need encourages them to join the experiment. I don't have problems with placing graphics where I want them, but then again, I do not wrap any text around them. Perhaps this is the problem? I have a file created by LibreOffice 4.1.6 and 4.2.4 that has 73 graphics and 4 images. I have no problem keeping them where I put them. The name of the file is BG4204Forms20140501.odt. It is available for download athttps://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation. You will need to scroll down to the Base Guide section of this web page. Another thought that may or may not have anything to do with the problem. These are the settings that I use in Tools Options Memory: Undo steps: 20, Graphics cache Use for LibreOffice 252MB, Memory per object 2.0MB, Remove from memory after 1:00 (h:m), number of objects 252. When inserting a graphic, the following steps are used: 1. Create a paragraph style for the frames with the alignment centered and any other style properties needed. 2 Create an empty paragraph. 3. Create a frame anchored to this paragraph 4. Anchor the frame as a character 5. Insert the caption in the bottom of the frame. 6. Insert the graphic in the frame 7. Anchor the graphic as a character). Over the past 10 years or more I have been doing this without any problems in any of the chapters I have written for the ODFAuthors group. There is one more thing that I do that automates several of these steps: I use AutoText. It creates the frame with steps 1, 3, 4, and 5. This just leaves me to create an empty paragraph, insert the graphic, and anchor it as a character. In addition, I also resize the frame if I think it needs it. Thanks for your input. What operating system are you using? I've tried the technique you mention, but for me (and many others), it doesn't seem to work. I don't think that wrapping the text has anything to do with the problem, because, if anything, graphics that don't have any wrap tend to stray more often than those that do. However, the memory settings may have an effect, so I'm going to do some experiments. Perhaps the failure arises because not enough memory is allocated for large graphics? -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] non-mainstream
Hi Tom :) Thanks for the support! Many people ARE neurotypicals but many aren't too. http://musingsofanaspie.com/2013/01/10/what-is-neurotypical/ I'm fairly sure i am NT but much of what you say people 'all' like would be a nightmare for me, and for many others too. It took me a lot of effort to learn to shake hands with people = more for the why and when than the how. It's an ordeal for me but i'm good at it, allegedly, so that balances with the awkwardness a bit. The only dog i like is one who likes playing stick or just running away without needing an excuse just for the pure joy of running and running. Many other people are similar or more extreme and maybe even freak out about discussing any of this. I think the girl in this video doesn't get it right for everyone because there seems to be much more variety in all this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At4Vmo13vJE Regards from Tom :) On 22 May 2014 02:18, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote: Virgil - exactly; and my thinking as well. From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com Date: Wed, May 21, 2014 at 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] non-mainstream To: users@global.libreoffice.org Tom C. I generally don't disagree with you concerning human relations. However, I don't want *all* of my human interactions to be as emotionally connected as you seem to imply. I have my family and close intimate friends, with whom I communicate directly, and rarely through e-communication. I then I have my church family, with whom I am open emotionally, but not as much as with my genetic family. Then there are e-mail lists of a more personal subject matter on which I will share more openly. But, this is a techno-geek lists. It exists *primarily* to help users learn how to get the most out of LO. While I appreciate the interaction on this list, I won't deceive myself into thinking that this is an emotionally intimate support system. By it's nature, it can't be, nor do I think it is intended to be. Virgil On 5/21/2014 5:49 PM, Tom Cloyd wrote: Anne, Virgil, Tom, I only just saw this thread, thanks to Anne's restarting it. I wish I could follow this list more closely, but I just can't. This thread matters to me, however, so I feel compelled to jump in. Tom, and all - Your initial post is probably the most courageous, human, and gripping thing I've ever read on this list. I've always had a strong sense that you are much in touch with your valuing other people, and your awareness of them, and of yourseflf. In these things, you are in my estimation exceptional. Does this confer a kind of vulnerability? Surely. But the show is worth the cost of the ticket. You lead by example, without question, and I love that example! It is an undeniable fact that we are social animals. Remove that from us and we become mute, because we no longer have a common language. We also likely become naked (ready for that?) and tool-less (ouch - no computers!!!). Going the other direction, a society of robots sounds unrewarding in the very areas that typically end up mattering most to most of us, especially at critical times - like the death of a child, or when confronting an apparently unsolvable problem, or when encountering our own finiteness. I don't want impersonal relations. I want people in my life. I can easily predict that virtually everyone else does too. People are more than data and intelligence and decisions. We have bodies and feelings, smiles and laughter and tears. I want all of that. Don't you? I'll bet you do. Being different is an interesting fate, and also as much illusion as fact. Two issues arise rather quickly, and they aren't often enough distinguished: self-acceptance and acceptance by others. I can (for those who are interested) give some exceptionally persuasive references in support of the proposition that these two issues are VERY intimately related - most particularly in our early years. When adult, it may be hoped (but hardly always achieved) that we are self-supporting enough to be only modestly reliant on acceptance from others. But must of us still need at least SOME of this, and fairly routinely. I know I do. However, there is this qualification: my computer accepts me all the time (well, most of the time). But I never get a hug. My friends, acquaintances, and clients accept me most of the time, too, but offer so much more, including hugs. I may spend more hours with my computer, but I prefer my friends, acquaintances, and clients. ...and now to Virgil - I think there is some truth to what you say, and it has to do with this: When dealing with problems, which is what we do most of the time here, keeping the level of affect (feelings) produced in our brain moderated allows our perceptions and cerebral cortex to function unimpaired by the disruptions that are caused by affective excess. But
Re: [libreoffice-users] non-mainstream
Virgil, Nicely put, and of course I'm entirely comfortable with your distinctions. I would only add that for me personally, I would like to take my humanity (my emotional core) with me everywhere, even if at times (such as in a focused thoughtful discussion) it is rather obscured by the fierce thought of which I am entirely capable. It's a tricky business, this being human business! t. On 05/21/2014 07:08 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: Tom C. I generally don't disagree with you concerning human relations. However, I don't want *all* of my human interactions to be as emotionally connected as you seem to imply. I have my family and close intimate friends, with whom I communicate directly, and rarely through e-communication. I then I have my church family, with whom I am open emotionally, but not as much as with my genetic family. Then there are e-mail lists of a more personal subject matter on which I will share more openly. But, this is a techno-geek lists. It exists *primarily* to help users learn how to get the most out of LO. While I appreciate the interaction on this list, I won't deceive myself into thinking that this is an emotionally intimate support system. By it's nature, it can't be, nor do I think it is intended to be. Virgil On 5/21/2014 5:49 PM, Tom Cloyd wrote: Anne, Virgil, Tom, I only just saw this thread, thanks to Anne's restarting it. I wish I could follow this list more closely, but I just can't. This thread matters to me, however, so I feel compelled to jump in. Tom, and all - Your initial post is probably the most courageous, human, and gripping thing I've ever read on this list. I've always had a strong sense that you are much in touch with your valuing other people, and your awareness of them, and of yourseflf. In these things, you are in my estimation exceptional. Does this confer a kind of vulnerability? Surely. But the show is worth the cost of the ticket. You lead by example, without question, and I love that example! It is an undeniable fact that we are social animals. Remove that from us and we become mute, because we no longer have a common language. We also likely become naked (ready for that?) and tool-less (ouch - no computers!!!). Going the other direction, a society of robots sounds unrewarding in the very areas that typically end up mattering most to most of us, especially at critical times - like the death of a child, or when confronting an apparently unsolvable problem, or when encountering our own finiteness. I don't want impersonal relations. I want people in my life. I can easily predict that virtually everyone else does too. People are more than data and intelligence and decisions. We have bodies and feelings, smiles and laughter and tears. I want all of that. Don't you? I'll bet you do. Being different is an interesting fate, and also as much illusion as fact. Two issues arise rather quickly, and they aren't often enough distinguished: self-acceptance and acceptance by others. I can (for those who are interested) give some exceptionally persuasive references in support of the proposition that these two issues are VERY intimately related - most particularly in our early years. When adult, it may be hoped (but hardly always achieved) that we are self-supporting enough to be only modestly reliant on acceptance from others. But must of us still need at least SOME of this, and fairly routinely. I know I do. However, there is this qualification: my computer accepts me all the time (well, most of the time). But I never get a hug. My friends, acquaintances, and clients accept me most of the time, too, but offer so much more, including hugs. I may spend more hours with my computer, but I prefer my friends, acquaintances, and clients. ...and now to Virgil - I think there is some truth to what you say, and it has to do with this: When dealing with problems, which is what we do most of the time here, keeping the level of affect (feelings) produced in our brain moderated allows our perceptions and cerebral cortex to function unimpaired by the disruptions that are caused by affective excess. But who wants primarily to dialog with a computer? Or a robot? And who wants to be up in their cerebral cortex all the time? Is that what your wife wants from you? Your kids? Your dog? You? You know the answer. Well, I'm like your dog. I want more. I think that if the truth be known we all do. Yeah, I suspect that more than a few here are exceptionally developed relative to problem solving skills, and possibly less developed in supportive, rewarding social relations skills. So...with that awareness in mind, let's just work a bit at keep all of ourselves involved here. Tom D. did, when he told his story. Practice make better. Anne - yeah, you're right. That's one reason why I have never ever used an avatar on the Internet, unless I was doing an investigation of some ill-behaved person and needed
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
Hi :) Those are specialist tools each for a single purpose. They are mostly part of the same eco-system as LibreOffice. LibreOffice is the only one that does so many different things and is the only office suite. For example Lyx is not a better spreadsheet program. So you are not being disloyal or anything like that. Even if any of the other 3 were direct competitors it would probably be better for us to know so that we could figure out how to compete fairly. Errr, it was Scribus that i meant earlier, not inkscape! Regards from Tom :) On 21 May 2014 23:31, Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: On 5/21/2014 4:36 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I've had trouble with text not flowing into obvious white-spaces between fairly large images. I've got a feeling that Draw might be better for my newsletter but i've never had time to set-up the text-boxes and really give it a fair go. Other people have been urging me to try inkscape for it but i've always stuck to writer and just had fun with it. Regards from Tom :) In the past, when I've had such problems, people have suggested using a desktop publisher, like Scribus. I probably should, but that's just another learning curve. For my current project, I tried it on LO Writer, LyX, ReText (markdown), and Atlantis. Of the four, LO worked the worst. Sorry, TDF, just calling it like it is (at least the way I perceive it). I'll assume it's user error, but with Bruce's question, it seems I'm not alone. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
Hi :) I've had trouble with text not flowing into obvious white-spaces between fairly large images. I've got a feeling that Draw might be better for my newsletter but i've never had time to set-up the text-boxes and really give it a fair go. Other people have been urging me to try inkscape for it but i've always stuck to writer and just had fun with it. Regards from Tom :) On 21 May 2014 21:28, Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: Bruce, Your post is very timely. I've been wrestling with a document containing 15 photographs with captions. I wanted to insert them into the text with text wrapping around the pictures. I made numerous attempts and often found myself trying to move or resize a picture just a little bit. When I tried, the picture suddenly changed to a different page (with either paragraph or character anchoring). At one point, I had a sproingg!! moment and found 6 pictures had jumped to one location and were piled on top of each other. I had placed these six images on 3 or 4 different pages. I finally gave up and reverted to my reliable Atlantis and created a separate Appendix document consisting of a single picture on each page. I'm sure I could have done this with LO Writer, but Atlantis made the whole process so easy that I just used it to get the job done. When I have a few more minutes, I'll try to recreate both of your methods to see how they work. I'll let you know how it works. Virgil On 5/21/2014 3:16 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote: If you've done much work positioning graphics in text, then you know how difficult it can be to make sure that the graphics stay in place. In the past, many experts have come up with recommendations about the best settings to use, but these suggestions either don't work if you try to export to another format or else have been made obsolete by changes to the program over the year. In preparation for my upcoming book on OpenOffice/LibreOffice, I'm hoping to solve this problem once and for all. Could anyone who is interested reproduce the two methods below, then try to break them by copying and pasting, adding text around the graphics, and anything else you can think of? I would be very interested in hearing results, especially on platforms other than Linux. Method #1: Right-click on a graphic, and select Picture - Options - Protect _ Position and Size. Method #2: 1. Turn off auto-caption in Tools Options 2. Create table with 1 column, 2 rows. Set space above and below. Do not allow to splilt across page or column, or keep with next paragraph, do not create heading row. 3. Set space above and below table (multiple of line height) 4. Place picture in 1st row. If you have trouble placing it in a cell, space down in the cell a few times before inserting the picture. 5. Position picture: either move using alignment or, if you want an indentation from the left, adjust from right, subtracting space from the total width of the table. 6. Add caption in second row. If graphic is indented, you will need to create a caption paragraph style with an indent. 7. In table context menu, unselect Table Boundaries. For convenience, you may want to unselect only before you print. Thanks to anyone whose curiosity or need encourages them to join the experiment. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
