Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice's documentation (pdf and online)
Hi Davidaa Le 25/06/2015 05:18, dallen a écrit : Hi all, First, thanks to everyone for all the responses. They're really helpful; I think I'm getting a picture of what is happening here. I hope more people add their thoughts even if they're identical or similar to what has already been said. Repetition will give more meaning. You should also take into account that our community is international, so the documentation may exist on different forms on the native language projects. The first documentation available to all users, whatever the language, is the off line help, which is then duplicate to the wiki help. This documentation needs much more love and is more and more outdated. We are aware of it and would like to set a group to work on it. That is what Jonathon has explained. The l10n group is doing the QA on the UI and the off line help of the en_US version. Some of them produce also help articles. Hi Jonathan, For starters, there are three different groups that are involved in creating/maintaining documentation. Each group has its own templates, set of procedures, priorities, and barriers to participation. Three groups? 1) pdf 2) Online help Who else? The PDF files are produced by the documentation team, Online help is what you find on the wiki help but also off line, maintained by developers and l10n team. The third group is the Native Language projects where documentation, marqueting, websites, QA etc are translated and documented. If you would like to work on the documentation, there is a huge need for the off line help, several functionalities are not documented at all and could be lost for the users. The users guide are done by the documentation team, you just need to jump on the list and ask for an account on the ODFAuthors site, and follow the workflow there. Let me know if you have other questions. Kind regards Sophie -- Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org GSM: +33683901545 IRC: sophi Co-founder - Release coordinator The Document Foundation -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice's documentation (pdf and online)
Hi :) Oh, and to answer the questions that were asked! I do use the Pdfs from the Published Guides pages. The main advantage is that the index and chapter headings and such are all clickable to get me to the correct topic very quickly. I take Anne-ology's point about them being troublesome to add notes to (or to copy chunks from) but the Pdfs are also in Odt format. So i use whichever format seems best for what i need, or whichever one i happen to have most readily to hand at a given moment. So that is a bit random. I rarely use the in-built help but when i have it has usually been excellent. I am a bit of an aspie so maybe that helped - or maybe it is just that the 'in-built' help is just excellent anyway. I've never had a problem with the 'in-built' help, except that sometimes i need more detail and hand-holding to help me through something i really didn't understand - so i went to the Published Guides or googled-it (err, or duck-duckj-go'd it) to get the extra bit i needed. Yes i appreciate that most normal users don't know simple computer usage that has been around 'forever'. I tend to click on the blue-circled question mark rather than use F1. If the 'in-built' help is not installed locally then it usually takes me to it's on-line pages. I don't think i have had problems with any of that but i might not have noticed if it was just a typical computers don't always behave type problem. I am not sure what sort of format would be better. I like it the way it is. If it changed i might grumble at first but then soon find i prefer the new way. I do like the video tutorials at Spoken Tutorials; http://spoken-tutorial.org/ I wish that other languages could take their structure and extend it into other languages. Other video channels all seem to be less well-organised or more dependent on a single person or unsustainably tiny team. However it is nice to see a wealth of stuff out there and some interesting topics. Regards from Tom :) On 25 June 2015 at 10:33, Gary Collins gcatl...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi David, 1) Yes, I have used the pdf documentation from time to time, but don't often have need to. Normally, only if I have a problem, which might occur when I'm trying something new and unfamiliar; but most of the time I am just using LO for the old and familiar! My first action in such a case would be to check the menus; if I can't find what I need there, I try searching more widely. It's not always easy to find what I want in a large document, though; but it's definitely comforting to know it's there, in case, and it has at times been useful. 2) I might think of doing this -- BUT: I use LO mainly on a machine without internet connection, having downloaded elsewhere and ported on a memory stick or similar. I believe that the help needs to be downloaded separately from the application, and I don't always remember to download the help along with the application, so this method doesn't always work for me! 3) Some thoughts. The documents are long; there must be a way to rapidly identify and get to the appropriate section. If there are too many large graphics, it makes scrolling through the document an arduous process; graphics should be used only where they really clarify something in the text, and should not be larger than necessary to achieve such clarification. Ease of use should always trump prettiness. This is a comment about documentation in general; the above comments may already be addressed in LO doc, it's a long time since I've looked, and my memory's not too great! 4) Probably already answered in (3); if I think of anything to add, I'll reply again. best,/Gary From: dallen daa.li...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 17:58 Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice's documentation (pdf and online) Hi All, I'm an experienced Technical Writer beginning work on LibreOffice's documentation, but I have some questions for LibreOffice users: 1) Does anyone EVER look at the pdf documentation? If not, why not? 2) Does anyone EVER click the F1 key for help? If not, why not? 3) Do you see any overall issues concerning the documentation? 4) If the presentation of the documentation were to change to make it more useful, what would it look like? Thanks for anyone's help. Davidaa -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-s-documentation-pdf-and-online-tp4152516.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to:
Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.4.4
I tend to download from the Archive directory/folder, since I tend to download for both Linux and Windows systems. Hiccups are a fact of life. Fixing one may cause another to pop up. That is the fact of life for a programmer. Just ask our development team. Web page/server/client programming can be the same. On 06/25/2015 06:49 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I dunno but around the x.x.3 - x.x.4 is when the Fresh branch starts being called Still and, usually, the old Still is retired (hopefully to an archive page) and a new Fresh branch is started. So, it is usually the time of maximum confusion for normal users such as us - and the potential for a hiccup is greatest. So maybe check the Still branch to see if the x.x.4 is already there. Maybe check for other versions = is that the way to the Still page? Actually this would be the first time that a hiccup had occurred, if it has. The closest we got was where one old branch had been so popular that we had 2 Still branches for a while. Apols and regards from Tom :) On 25 June 2015 at 11:35, Malcolm Moore st-malcolm.mo...@whsg.info wrote: What has happened to 4.4.4 ? The release plan shows it as released on the 21st but Fresh still shows 4.4.3. It available as 4.4.4.2 on pre release Ta M -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] 4.4.4
What has happened to 4.4.4 ? The release plan shows it as released on the 21st but Fresh still shows 4.4.3. It available as 4.4.4.2 on pre release Ta M -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.4.4
Hi :) I dunno but around the x.x.3 - x.x.4 is when the Fresh branch starts being called Still and, usually, the old Still is retired (hopefully to an archive page) and a new Fresh branch is started. So, it is usually the time of maximum confusion for normal users such as us - and the potential for a hiccup is greatest. So maybe check the Still branch to see if the x.x.4 is already there. Maybe check for other versions = is that the way to the Still page? Actually this would be the first time that a hiccup had occurred, if it has. The closest we got was where one old branch had been so popular that we had 2 Still branches for a while. Apols and regards from Tom :) On 25 June 2015 at 11:35, Malcolm Moore st-malcolm.mo...@whsg.info wrote: What has happened to 4.4.4 ? The release plan shows it as released on the 21st but Fresh still shows 4.4.3. It available as 4.4.4.2 on pre release Ta M -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice's documentation (pdf and online)
Hi :) I was really impressed to see the initial request for feedback *. Also with the responses. Even more feedback might be generated through the social media channels. Has anyone here got any good ideas of a good way of asking the question(s) in so few characters? The Documentation Team and the people working on the 'inbuilt' help and the International Translators ARE all 'normal users' - or at least that is usually how they were when they first started contributing their time and skills to LibreOffice/OpenOffice. Some work in more than one team and/or move around between different teams but there is no formal liaison except the generic Projects or Discussion mailing list. The strongest informal links seem to be between the International Translators and the 'in-built' help teams. As a result it seems that the 'in-built' help is fantastic in all languages except English. The English version might be a little geeky, or too perfect or something else that native English Speakers might find irksome. Anyway the main point is that it translates VERY well - so, many thanks to all involved!! :))) The Documentation Team was blessed with an extremely good team-leader who poured tons of work into the project for many years (and still can't quite stop herself from helping at all levels (luckily!!)). If there were a medal for exceptionally good work and/or over a long time period then Jean Weber deserves at least 10 of them. However there are other people in the Documentation Team, now and in the past, who have varying amounts of experience and/or skill. Sometimes it helps to have someone new and with no skill or experience to proof-read to see how a 'normal' user might view it or to see what a fresh pair of eyes sees. Sadly such people often learn very quickly so a constant influx of 'noobs' might help! :) * One problem that many community-led organisations have is the feeling that asking other users how they feel or what they think is unnecessary because everyone is free to jump in on any team's work at any time. Teams such as Documentation often require a higher level of commitment and often require some knowledge or understanding in order to be able to contribute. Also there is far tooo much being done in far too many areas for almost anyone to be able to spend enough time figuring out what all the different teams are doing at any given moment. So i think an occasional open-ended poll of 'normal' users (incl those from other parts of the project) is truly excellent. Many, many thanks to everyone who has already responded, or already been involved or even is just lurking here. Regards from Tom :) On 25 June 2015 at 10:33, Gary Collins gcatl...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi David, 1) Yes, I have used the pdf documentation from time to time, but don't often have need to. Normally, only if I have a problem, which might occur when I'm trying something new and unfamiliar; but most of the time I am just using LO for the old and familiar! My first action in such a case would be to check the menus; if I can't find what I need there, I try searching more widely. It's not always easy to find what I want in a large document, though; but it's definitely comforting to know it's there, in case, and it has at times been useful. 2) I might think of doing this -- BUT: I use LO mainly on a machine without internet connection, having downloaded elsewhere and ported on a memory stick or similar. I believe that the help needs to be downloaded separately from the application, and I don't always remember to download the help along with the application, so this method doesn't always work for me! 3) Some thoughts. The documents are long; there must be a way to rapidly identify and get to the appropriate section. If there are too many large graphics, it makes scrolling through the document an arduous process; graphics should be used only where they really clarify something in the text, and should not be larger than necessary to achieve such clarification. Ease of use should always trump prettiness. This is a comment about documentation in general; the above comments may already be addressed in LO doc, it's a long time since I've looked, and my memory's not too great! 4) Probably already answered in (3); if I think of anything to add, I'll reply again. best,/Gary From: dallen daa.li...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 17:58 Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice's documentation (pdf and online) Hi All, I'm an experienced Technical Writer beginning work on LibreOffice's documentation, but I have some questions for LibreOffice users: 1) Does anyone EVER look at the pdf documentation? If not, why not? 2) Does anyone EVER click the F1 key for help? If not, why not? 3) Do you see any overall issues concerning the documentation? 4) If the presentation of the documentation were to change to make it more useful, what would
Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing EPS
On 06/25/2015 12:21 AM, Steve Edmonds wrote: Hi. I am getting a little weary of working in LO and printing from AOO because LO won't print EPSs to a postscript printer (from 4.2). I can't see a bug explicitly about printing to a postscript printer, most bugs are in regards rendering of EPS files or exporting as PDF and I just want to print them to a postscript printer. If this is resolved in 5.0 there is not much point in filing the bug so I am just wondering if anyone has tried this in a 5.0 release candidate. TIA, steve What package[s] are creating the EPS files? Also Windows, Mac, or Linux? I do not have any that requires EPS files using Linux Mint. All my printers use Postscript drivers to print the document. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Behaviour of non-looping animated GIF's in Impress
In Impress (and also, I gather, in PowerPoint) non-looping animated GIF's return to and stop at the first frame after displaying the animation. This seems odd, and is not the way that they're displayed in Firefox, where they just stop at the last frame. Is there something I'm missing? Is there any way to control this behaviour? I know that one can apply a long delay to the last frame of the animation, but it's inelegant and could be inconvenient if one happened to stop for a discussion at that point in the slide show. Thanks. - Robert -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.4.4
Hi Malcom Le 25/06/2015 12:35, Malcolm Moore a écrit : What has happened to 4.4.4 ? The release plan shows it as released on the 21st but Fresh still shows 4.4.3. It available as 4.4.4.2 on pre release It has been a little delayed, RC3 has been published today, so it will be soon available now. Sorry for the inconvenience. Kind regards Sophie -- Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org GSM: +33683901545 IRC: sophi Co-founder - Release coordinator The Document Foundation -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] How to Turn a Landscape Table by 90 Degrees into a Portrait Table
*How to Turn a Landscape Table by 90 Degrees into a Portrait Table* *LibreOffice 4.4.3.2* *Windows 8.1* *Since 2008, I have been looking for simple ways to turn a table on a landscape page by 90 degrees into that on a portrait age.* *Once I found one, in OpenOffice.org Writer 3.0.1, but the table could only be turned right-to-left vertical. What I wanted was to turn it left-to-right vertical.* *That means, the table on the landscape page should be turned in order that the top of the table should be on the left margin on the portrait page, not on the right margin of the portrait page.* *Now that I no longer use OpenOffice,org and only use LibreOffice, I do not know whether OpenOffice.org Writer has this feature. * *The answer for this question should be in LibreOffice Writer.* *My question is here: [PDF] https://www.academia.edu/13289342/_29_Turning_Tables_by_90_Degrees_Inquiry_ https://www.academia.edu/13289342/_29_Turning_Tables_by_90_Degrees_Inquiry_[ODT] https://www.academia.edu/13289930/_30_Turning_a_Table_by_90_Degrees_Inquiry_ https://www.academia.edu/13289930/_30_Turning_a_Table_by_90_Degrees_Inquiry_* *Any help is appreciated.* *Sincerely,* *Taang Zomi* *==* -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Behaviour of non-looping animated GIF's in Impress
yes, and ditto with any sound which has been included. Therefore when I discovered the ease of videos, I switched - note: these can be stopped at any point as well if doing a PP program. Are we the only ones who have experienced this awkward problem ;-) From: Robert Funnell robert.funn...@mcgill.ca Date: Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 8:45 AM Subject: [libreoffice-users] Behaviour of non-looping animated GIF's in Impress To: users@global.libreoffice.org In Impress (and also, I gather, in PowerPoint) non-looping animated GIF's return to and stop at the first frame after displaying the animation. This seems odd, and is not the way that they're displayed in Firefox, where they just stop at the last frame. Is there something I'm missing? Is there any way to control this behaviour? I know that one can apply a long delay to the last frame of the animation, but it's inelegant and could be inconvenient if one happened to stop for a discussion at that point in the slide show. Thanks. - Robert -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] User Friendly Documentation [was: Re: LibreOffice's documentation (pdf and online)]
It's amazingly strange to me how words/phrases can be used with no relation to their original meanings; oxymorons I guess are here to stay. Would someone please explain to me how some of these 'user friendly' ideas came to be so called; when, in fact, they merely complicated confused, ex. in vehicles, the automatic window rather than manually rolling the window; with these automatic windows, it is impossible to roll down the window unless the engine is running - which is quite frustrating and can be seriously dangerous. ex. in computers, each time a new programming language appears, the simplicity disappears further. ex. in 'phones, with the change to push buttons - which then became smaller smaller - it's nearly impossible to dial the number without clicking on more than one button; (when the pad of one finger touches one key, the nail touches another) ex. in televisions, with the change to remotes - these keyboards also became smaller smaller - the on-off button disappeared from the set along with the other buttons; which makes it impossible to walk to the set to do anything - must pick up the remote to do whatever; and here too - it's nearly impossible to punch one button without clicking on more than one button; (when the pad of one finger touches one key, the nail touches another) etc. etc. etc. ... ... ... From: Nino Novak nn.l...@kflog.org Date: Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 1:03 AM Subject: [libreoffice-users] User Friendly Documentation [was: Re: LibreOffice's documentation (pdf and online)] To: users@global.libreoffice.org On 24.06.2015 at 22:15, toki wrote: What would user friendly look like to you? very nice question :) To me, user friendly would match following criteria: + complete + up to date + online + with option to download and use locally + context sensitive + multi language + user commentable + with option to hide comments + with helpful/not helpful rating enabled + with option to show top rated comments first and, for community/contribution interested users: + collaborativly created (like a wiki) (which is different from comment function!) + nice2have: views/downloads counter The best example AFAIK is php documentation [1] but it's written by techies for techies (aka freak2freak), whilest LibO has (hopefully) a lot of non-freak users. [1] http://php.net/docs.php -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Printing EPS
Le 25/06/2015 15:01, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit : Hi all, A quick test with Writer and an inserted EPS image on OSX 10.01.3 with LO master 5.1 prints a bounding box in which is written : Creator LibreOffice 4.4 LanguageLevel :2 So, pretty much useless. The discussion in bug report 67465 pretty much sums up why you can not print from LO. And see also it's sister bug 67464. See also bug 34836, comment 18 and comment 44, where one of the developers has added his thoughts on the matter. Basically, it can't ever work on Mac OSX if : - no pstoedit is present ; and - the user has not indicated in his app environment variable the path to the pstoedit utility. Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice's documentation (pdf and online)
Hi, PDF? I'm not sure I know where to look for LO documentation in this format? F1? I use it often. It needs to be compartmenalized (Calc, Writer, Math, Macro interface [UNO], ...) Its installation also needs to be better integrated into the LO installation process. HTML? I occasionally wander into this maze though I'm not sure how I get there. I guess it's via a link someone posts on this list. I'm a Calc user on Windows and on Linux. I use the Function Wizard to find function names by category and F1 to get the specifics as to the meaning of the function parameters. The examples are not always very well thought out in terms of being very practical. I would write and use macros a good bit more if there were good documentation on the subject through F1. I'd like to see links to an on line tutorial on Star Basic and one or more tutorials on the concepts of UNO and how to get started using it. At least one tutorial should NOT assume that the reader has a degree in computer programming. I, for one, am a retired 1960s era assembler language and FORTRAN (later KR C and Pascal) mainframe programner. My paradigm involves procedural code (get values, manipulate them, store/use the results, etc.). I need a bridge from that to the UNO paradigm. -- Jim -Original Message- From: dallen daa.li...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 9:59 Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice's documentation (pdf and online) Hi All, I'm an experienced Technical Writer beginning work on LibreOffice's documentation, but I have some questions for LibreOffice users: 1) Does anyone EVER look at the pdf documentation? If not, why not? 2) Does anyone EVER click the F1 key for help? If not, why not? 3) Do you see any overall issues concerning the documentation? 4) If the presentation of the documentation were to change to make it more useful, what would it look like? Thanks for anyone's help. Davidaa -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-s-documentation-pdf-and-online-tp4152516.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Organisational template
Hi, does anyone have any links to free Organisational (hierarchy) templates for Impress please? Thanks Gordon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice's documentation (pdf and online)
On 06/25/2015 10:05 AM, James E Lang wrote: PDF? I'm not sure I know where to look for LO documentation in this format? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/documentation/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: help track an issue
Since you are running Linux, everything is easier :) http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/20682/how-to-enable-libreoffice-logging/ Hope this helps! -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/help-track-an-issue-tp4152664p4152666.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice's documentation (pdf and online)
Some added thoughts with a fresh brain this morning: 1. I like the embedded help because it's quicker to use. Also, in good traditional fashion, I pretty much expect it to be updated more frequently than a printed manual, even if that manual is in electronic format. 2. Once upon a time (remember I've been around since the days of Hollerith cards and paper tapes), there were two types of manuals: User Manuals and Reference Manuals. The user manuals were more conceptual and tutorial, helping people learn how to use a program (yes, I still call them programs rather than apps -- apps are for mobile devices, which I don't use for computing; I still talk about directories instead of folders, too). The reference manuals were just that -- details about the various commands, functions, subroutines, etc. The reference manual aspect is what I really look for in the embedded help. The user manual is what I tend to go to the PDF version to find. Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] help track an issue
If anyone can help me understand how to track/trace this issue, I would appreciate it. Software OS: Mageia4 64 bit KDE4 LibreOffice 4.3.7.2 (Build ID 4.3.7.2.1.mga4) Physical HP Pavilion p6-2419 Kingston USB memory stick, (DT 101 G2 ... 16GB) Filesystem Ext4 in both cases Procedure (1) Insert USB drive (2) Access USB drive with Dolphin (3) Close Dolphin (4) Open LibreOffice (4.1) Close empty text document (4.2) Open existing spreadsheet on local drive (4.2.1) Compete task(s) in spreadsheet (4.2.2) Save changes to local drive under same name/same location (4.2.3) Save As to USB drive with similar name ... date added to name (4.3) Close spreadsheet (5) Exit LibreOffice Problem Sometimes (seems to be random) at step 4.2.3 the Save As fails ... error message indicates that the original document is opened by another user? Sorry, I cannot find the actual error message at the moment ... will be able to supply it when it happens again, of course. Note I follow the above procedure carefully because it seems to experience this particular issue the least. The only exception would be if steps 1 through 3 have already been done, and the USB drive is still attached (has not been removed). Question What can I do to track/trace this issue on my machine? Thank you Regards Fred James -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Fwd: How to Turn a Landscape Table by 90 Degrees into a Portrait Table [Addendum\
-- Forwarded message -- From: Taang Zomi libreofficez...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 4:37 PM Subject: How to Turn a Landscape Table by 90 Degrees into a Portrait Table [Addendum] To: LibreOffice, users users@global.libreoffice.org, us...@libreoffice.org Cc: Taang Zomi libreofficez...@gmail.com, Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com *How to Turn a Landscape Table by 90 Degrees into a Portrait Table* *LibreOffice 4.4.3.2* *Windows 8.1* *Since 2008, I have been looking for simple ways to turn a table on a landscape page by 90 degrees into that on a portrait age.* *Once I found one, in OpenOffice.org Writer 3.0.1, but the table could only be turned right-to-left vertical. What I wanted was to turn it left-to-right vertical.* *That means, the table on the landscape page should be turned in order that the top of the table should be on the left margin on the portrait page, not on the right margin of the portrait page.* *Now that I no longer use OpenOffice,org and only use LibreOffice, I do not know whether OpenOffice.org Writer has this feature. * *The answer for this question should be in LibreOffice Writer.* *My question is here: [PDF] https://www.academia.edu/13289342/_29_Turning_Tables_by_90_Degrees_Inquiry_ https://www.academia.edu/13289342/_29_Turning_Tables_by_90_Degrees_Inquiry_[ODT] https://www.academia.edu/13289930/_30_Turning_a_Table_by_90_Degrees_Inquiry_ https://www.academia.edu/13289930/_30_Turning_a_Table_by_90_Degrees_Inquiry_* *Any help is appreciated.* *Sincerely,* *Taang Zomi* *==* *How to Turn a Landscape Table by 90 Degrees into a Portrait Table [Addendum]* *Of the two attachments, the PDF attachment[PDF] https://www.academia.edu/13289342/_29_Turning_Tables_by_90_Degrees_Inquiry_ https://www.academia.edu/13289342/_29_Turning_Tables_by_90_Degrees_Inquiry_* *should be downloaded to your computer.* *If you read it on the the website, the PDF version on pages 7, 8, 9,10 does not look like the PDF that you download.* *There is no problem with he ODT attachment. The ODT on the website looks like the ODT that you download.* *Sincerely,* *Taang Zomi* == -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice's documentation (pdf and online)
On 06/25/2015 03:18 AM, dallen wrote: Three groups? 1) pdf 2) Online help Who else? Built-in Help. This is the group that uses those two files I described as what should be a trivial task to find and install. And I think a case can also be made for the individual L10N Teams. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] User Friendly Documentation [was: Re: LibreOffice's documentation (pdf and online)]
On 24.06.2015 at 22:15, toki wrote: What would user friendly look like to you? very nice question :) To me, user friendly would match following criteria: + complete + up to date + online + with option to download and use locally + context sensitive + multi language + user commentable + with option to hide comments + with helpful/not helpful rating enabled + with option to show top rated comments first and, for community/contribution interested users: + collaborativly created (like a wiki) (which is different from comment function!) + nice2have: views/downloads counter The best example AFAIK is php documentation [1] but it's written by techies for techies (aka freak2freak), whilest LibO has (hopefully) a lot of non-freak users. [1] http://php.net/docs.php -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice's documentation (pdf and online)
Hi David, 1) Yes, I have used the pdf documentation from time to time, but don't often have need to. Normally, only if I have a problem, which might occur when I'm trying something new and unfamiliar; but most of the time I am just using LO for the old and familiar! My first action in such a case would be to check the menus; if I can't find what I need there, I try searching more widely. It's not always easy to find what I want in a large document, though; but it's definitely comforting to know it's there, in case, and it has at times been useful. 2) I might think of doing this -- BUT: I use LO mainly on a machine without internet connection, having downloaded elsewhere and ported on a memory stick or similar. I believe that the help needs to be downloaded separately from the application, and I don't always remember to download the help along with the application, so this method doesn't always work for me! 3) Some thoughts. The documents are long; there must be a way to rapidly identify and get to the appropriate section. If there are too many large graphics, it makes scrolling through the document an arduous process; graphics should be used only where they really clarify something in the text, and should not be larger than necessary to achieve such clarification. Ease of use should always trump prettiness. This is a comment about documentation in general; the above comments may already be addressed in LO doc, it's a long time since I've looked, and my memory's not too great! 4) Probably already answered in (3); if I think of anything to add, I'll reply again. best,/Gary From: dallen daa.li...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 17:58 Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice's documentation (pdf and online) Hi All, I'm an experienced Technical Writer beginning work on LibreOffice's documentation, but I have some questions for LibreOffice users: 1) Does anyone EVER look at the pdf documentation? If not, why not? 2) Does anyone EVER click the F1 key for help? If not, why not? 3) Do you see any overall issues concerning the documentation? 4) If the presentation of the documentation were to change to make it more useful, what would it look like? Thanks for anyone's help. Davidaa -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-s-documentation-pdf-and-online-tp4152516.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
