Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...

2018-07-08 Thread gordon cooper

GoTo. One of the curses of Basic, the GoTo.

When used by newcomers (and a few some old hands too) a
Basic program would  soon become an unstructured mess of
GoTo's and a hassle to debug.  One of our Pascal lecturers was
very  anti-Basic and forbade us to use it,  or to even talk about it
in his presence.

Thank you Tom and Jonathon for the memory,
Gordon.


On 09/07/18 15:55, toki wrote:

On 08/07/18 09:04 PM, Tom Davies wrote:


I remember learning one form of basic in the 80s and that was pretty easy

There is a book from the early/mid eighties, that is simply lists the
vocabulary of the various dialects of BASIC in use then. IIRC, it was
called _The BASIC Book_. It was written specifically for programmers to
port software between the various systems that were available.

Back then, all variants of basic used line numbers, and allowed GoTo.
Today, several variants of BASIC don't use line number, and some
variants don't have GoTo.

jonathon




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Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...

2018-07-08 Thread toki
On 08/07/18 09:04 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

> I remember learning one form of basic in the 80s and that was pretty easy

There is a book from the early/mid eighties, that is simply lists the
vocabulary of the various dialects of BASIC in use then. IIRC, it was
called _The BASIC Book_. It was written specifically for programmers to
port software between the various systems that were available.

Back then, all variants of basic used line numbers, and allowed GoTo.
Today, several variants of BASIC don't use line number, and some
variants don't have GoTo.

jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...

2018-07-08 Thread Mauricio Baeza Servin
On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 15:30:18 -0400, Drew Jensen  
wrote:

> Howdy, Mauricio, Patrick
> 
> I am curious as to why you think python is always the better choice? (ie.
> error handling, or whatever; or is it just always so in Patrick's use case
> and the example code you supplied there)
> 
> Also, I you don't mind me asking. I'm new python scripting in LibreOffice.
> 
> Do you have recommendations for setting up tools with LibreOffice to with
> Python scripts and perhaps then turning those into an extension.
> 
> Right now I am using the following: LibreOffice 6.x, APSO (latest), MRI
> (latest), MS Video Code. Which of those would, if any, would you suggest I
> look at replacing.
> 
> Thanks and best wishes,
> 
> 


Hi...

I'm sorry, my english is very basic, but I will try tell you my experience.

I developed Basic for many years, in Excel, and Calc. I writed a book (in 
spanish) of more 500 pages for develop macros in OpenOffice/Libre with Basic.

But... I knowed Python... and all changed. I thing, Python is better than Basic 
in all; it learn easyly, extensive core, libraries of third, very good 
documentation, and the most important, a great comunity.

If you want learn ans use Basic, not problem, but where Basic end, Python just 
beginning

Best regards
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Re: [libreoffice-users] My Templates?

2018-07-08 Thread James Knott
On 07/08/2018 04:52 PM, toki wrote:
> * /home/ your-user-name /.config/libreoffice/4/user/template/

Found 'em there.  However, that does nothing for the problem of removing
My Templates, so that my templates are not mixed in with a bunch of
supplied templates that I don't use.

I don't understand the trend, not just here, but in other things too, of
breaking things that have worked well and replacing them with things
that are dumbed down or broken.

My Templates was very useful.  How could anyone be so unbelievably
stupid as to think removing it was an "improvement"?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...

2018-07-08 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Ahh, yes.  Here is often good for anything.  Macros are definitely for this
mailing list.

I remember learning one form of basic in the 80s and that was pretty easy
back then.  I gather it's become over-complicated now so i'm starting again
from Scratch and then Python - or kinda both at the same time(ish).  It
seems more robust and more standardised.

Regards from a Tom :)



On 8 July 2018 at 21:06, Drew Jensen  wrote:

> Howdy Tom,
>
> Well, I was specifically asking Mauricio, after looking over the example
> basic code particularly, I am interested in his thoughts.
>
> As for this being the user mailing list, macros are user level question I
> would think, Basic is assumed usually, but Python is just as valid and
> about as easily done these only to drop in a couple of extensions.  Maybe
> it is a power user question, but still a user question, yes?
>
> However, I suppose your'e right when moving on to talking about generating
> extension packages from macros libraries (basic or python).
>
> Thanks
>
> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 3:50 PM Tom Davies  wrote:
>
> > Hi :)
> > I think the Devs Mailing list or IPA, IIRC or whatever is prolly better
> at
> > giving a good answer to that.  They may be annoyed as it's prolly not
> what
> > they usually post to there.  Maybe it's best to try the QA Team?
> >
> > There used to be a "mentoring" program to help people start to code for
> > LibreOffice.
> >
> > I think LibreOffice is mainly Python but with significant chunks of C,
> C++
> > and C# and smaller amounts of other code.  I think pretty much all the
> Java
> > has been over-written in Python now.
> >
> > There may be some devs on this mailinglist who can answer you but it
> > doesn't hurt to have other places to ask too.  Actually i thought you
> were
> > one of our devs but there we go.  I know you have done a lot for LO.
> > Good luck and regards from
> > a Tom :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8 July 2018 at 20:30, Drew Jensen  wrote:
> >
> >> Howdy, Mauricio, Patrick
> >>
> >> I am curious as to why you think python is always the better choice?
> (ie.
> >> error handling, or whatever; or is it just always so in Patrick's use
> case
> >> and the example code you supplied there)
> >>
> >> Also, I you don't mind me asking. I'm new python scripting in
> LibreOffice.
> >>
> >> Do you have recommendations for setting up tools with LibreOffice to
> with
> >> Python scripts and perhaps then turning those into an extension.
> >>
> >> Right now I am using the following: LibreOffice 6.x, APSO (latest), MRI
> >> (latest), MS Video Code. Which of those would, if any, would you
> suggest I
> >> look at replacing.
> >>
> >> Thanks and best wishes,
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 3:13 PM Mauricio Baeza Servin  >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 21:03:02 +0200, Patrick Gelin <
> patrick.ge...@free.fr
> >> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Ok, with a factory for self variable into pseudo objects. I was
> >> thinking
> >> > > of this solution already, but I was hoping a better solution in next
> >> > > version ...
> >> > > - Do you need this pseudo object code could be better object model
> >> > > complient next day ?
> >> > > - Or do you think python will be a better way for
> >> OpenOffice/LibreOffice
> >> > > futur ?
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Of course, definitely, Python is much better, I always recommend;
> learn
> >> > and used Python with LibreOffice
> >> >
> >> >
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Re: [libreoffice-users] My Templates?

2018-07-08 Thread toki
On 08/07/18 07:27 PM, James Knott wrote:
>> You probably want to change the path at
>> ">Tools >Options >Paths >Templates"
>> to point to the location where you keep you templates.

> I'll give that a try, once I find out where they went. 

If the email headers displayed here are correct, your are on a Linux box.
As such, your templates are probably at either
* /opt/libreoffice6.1/share/template/
* /home/ your-user-name /.config/libreoffice/4/user/template/
But if you changed the path when you last setup LibO, all bets are off.

jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...

2018-07-08 Thread Drew Jensen
Howdy Tom,

Well, I was specifically asking Mauricio, after looking over the example
basic code particularly, I am interested in his thoughts.

As for this being the user mailing list, macros are user level question I
would think, Basic is assumed usually, but Python is just as valid and
about as easily done these only to drop in a couple of extensions.  Maybe
it is a power user question, but still a user question, yes?

However, I suppose your'e right when moving on to talking about generating
extension packages from macros libraries (basic or python).

Thanks

On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 3:50 PM Tom Davies  wrote:

> Hi :)
> I think the Devs Mailing list or IPA, IIRC or whatever is prolly better at
> giving a good answer to that.  They may be annoyed as it's prolly not what
> they usually post to there.  Maybe it's best to try the QA Team?
>
> There used to be a "mentoring" program to help people start to code for
> LibreOffice.
>
> I think LibreOffice is mainly Python but with significant chunks of C, C++
> and C# and smaller amounts of other code.  I think pretty much all the Java
> has been over-written in Python now.
>
> There may be some devs on this mailinglist who can answer you but it
> doesn't hurt to have other places to ask too.  Actually i thought you were
> one of our devs but there we go.  I know you have done a lot for LO.
> Good luck and regards from
> a Tom :)
>
>
>
>
> On 8 July 2018 at 20:30, Drew Jensen  wrote:
>
>> Howdy, Mauricio, Patrick
>>
>> I am curious as to why you think python is always the better choice? (ie.
>> error handling, or whatever; or is it just always so in Patrick's use case
>> and the example code you supplied there)
>>
>> Also, I you don't mind me asking. I'm new python scripting in LibreOffice.
>>
>> Do you have recommendations for setting up tools with LibreOffice to with
>> Python scripts and perhaps then turning those into an extension.
>>
>> Right now I am using the following: LibreOffice 6.x, APSO (latest), MRI
>> (latest), MS Video Code. Which of those would, if any, would you suggest I
>> look at replacing.
>>
>> Thanks and best wishes,
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 3:13 PM Mauricio Baeza Servin 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 21:03:02 +0200, Patrick Gelin > >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Ok, with a factory for self variable into pseudo objects. I was
>> thinking
>> > > of this solution already, but I was hoping a better solution in next
>> > > version ...
>> > > - Do you need this pseudo object code could be better object model
>> > > complient next day ?
>> > > - Or do you think python will be a better way for
>> OpenOffice/LibreOffice
>> > > futur ?
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > Of course, definitely, Python is much better, I always recommend; learn
>> > and used Python with LibreOffice
>> >
>> >
>> > Best regards
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Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...

2018-07-08 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I think the Devs Mailing list or IPA, IIRC or whatever is prolly better at
giving a good answer to that.  They may be annoyed as it's prolly not what
they usually post to there.  Maybe it's best to try the QA Team?

There used to be a "mentoring" program to help people start to code for
LibreOffice.

I think LibreOffice is mainly Python but with significant chunks of C, C++
and C# and smaller amounts of other code.  I think pretty much all the Java
has been over-written in Python now.

There may be some devs on this mailinglist who can answer you but it
doesn't hurt to have other places to ask too.  Actually i thought you were
one of our devs but there we go.  I know you have done a lot for LO.
Good luck and regards from
a Tom :)




On 8 July 2018 at 20:30, Drew Jensen  wrote:

> Howdy, Mauricio, Patrick
>
> I am curious as to why you think python is always the better choice? (ie.
> error handling, or whatever; or is it just always so in Patrick's use case
> and the example code you supplied there)
>
> Also, I you don't mind me asking. I'm new python scripting in LibreOffice.
>
> Do you have recommendations for setting up tools with LibreOffice to with
> Python scripts and perhaps then turning those into an extension.
>
> Right now I am using the following: LibreOffice 6.x, APSO (latest), MRI
> (latest), MS Video Code. Which of those would, if any, would you suggest I
> look at replacing.
>
> Thanks and best wishes,
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 3:13 PM Mauricio Baeza Servin 
> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 21:03:02 +0200, Patrick Gelin 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Ok, with a factory for self variable into pseudo objects. I was
> thinking
> > > of this solution already, but I was hoping a better solution in next
> > > version ...
> > > - Do you need this pseudo object code could be better object model
> > > complient next day ?
> > > - Or do you think python will be a better way for
> OpenOffice/LibreOffice
> > > futur ?
> > >
> >
> >
> > Of course, definitely, Python is much better, I always recommend; learn
> > and used Python with LibreOffice
> >
> >
> > Best regards
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Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...

2018-07-08 Thread Drew Jensen
Howdy, Mauricio, Patrick

I am curious as to why you think python is always the better choice? (ie.
error handling, or whatever; or is it just always so in Patrick's use case
and the example code you supplied there)

Also, I you don't mind me asking. I'm new python scripting in LibreOffice.

Do you have recommendations for setting up tools with LibreOffice to with
Python scripts and perhaps then turning those into an extension.

Right now I am using the following: LibreOffice 6.x, APSO (latest), MRI
(latest), MS Video Code. Which of those would, if any, would you suggest I
look at replacing.

Thanks and best wishes,


On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 3:13 PM Mauricio Baeza Servin 
wrote:

> On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 21:03:02 +0200, Patrick Gelin 
> wrote:
>
> > Ok, with a factory for self variable into pseudo objects. I was thinking
> > of this solution already, but I was hoping a better solution in next
> > version ...
> > - Do you need this pseudo object code could be better object model
> > complient next day ?
> > - Or do you think python will be a better way for OpenOffice/LibreOffice
> > futur ?
> >
>
>
> Of course, definitely, Python is much better, I always recommend; learn
> and used Python with LibreOffice
>
>
> Best regards
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Re: [libreoffice-users] My Templates?

2018-07-08 Thread James Knott
On 07/08/2018 03:17 PM, toki wrote:
> On 08/07/18 04:41 PM, James Knott wrote:
>
>> Didn't there used to be an item "My Templates? in LO?  
> You probably want to change the path at
> ">Tools >Options >Paths >Templates"
> to point to the location where you keep you templates.
>
>

I'll give that a try, once I find out where they went.  At the moment, I
can only see one of a few I had created.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] My Templates?

2018-07-08 Thread James Knott
On 07/08/2018 03:12 PM, Philip Jackson wrote:
> Then you need to navigate to where you have the templates stored,
> highlight them, and click import.

The problem is finding where they're stored.  I have no idea.  I just
had them in My Templates
> Then they'll get registered and appear in the templates dialogue.

In My Templates, they were stored separately from the provided
templates.  I don't want them mixed in, as I now have to sort through a
bunch of templates I don't use, to find the few I created and use.  Who
is the @$*^@@&%^#  genius that though this was a good idea?  They've
taking something that worked well and made it a pain to use!


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Re: [libreoffice-users] My Templates?

2018-07-08 Thread toki
On 08/07/18 04:41 PM, James Knott wrote:

> Didn't there used to be an item "My Templates? in LO?  

You probably want to change the path at
">Tools >Options >Paths >Templates"
to point to the location where you keep you templates.

jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-users] My Templates?

2018-07-08 Thread Steve Edmonds

Hi.
I am using Version: 6.0.4.2, Build ID: 00m0(Build:2) on OpenSuse leap.

In my File>Templates>Manage Templates I have a single panel instead of 
split, but a dropdown list selector in the top right

(image for James)


My templates are separated in My Templates.
Steve

On 09/07/18 04:41, James Knott wrote:

Didn't there used to be an item "My Templates? in LO?  I had a few
templates in there, but now I can only find one mixed in with all the
supplied templates.  What happened to mine?  Where are they?  I'm using
LO 6.0.42 on OpenSUSE Leap 15.0.  Please bring back "My Templates".  I
do not want to have to sort through all those provided templates, to
find the ones I created.  I also don't want to have to recreate the ones
I lost!!!





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Re: [libreoffice-users] My Templates?

2018-07-08 Thread Philip Jackson
On 08/07/18 18:41, James Knott wrote:
> Didn't there used to be an item "My Templates? in LO?  I had a few
> templates in there, but now I can only find one mixed in with all the
> supplied templates.  What happened to mine?  Where are they?  I'm using
> LO 6.0.42 on OpenSUSE Leap 15.0.  Please bring back "My Templates".  I
> do not want to have to sort through all those provided templates, to
> find the ones I created.  I also don't want to have to recreate the ones
> I lost!!!
> 

I've just been loading my templates into LO 6.0.5.2 on my Windows box.
There I found the same difficulties I found on Ubuntu.  It is not
sufficient to slide them into the templates directory of LO (in Ubuntu
/home/user/.config//libreoffice/4/user/template/) - they just don't get
registered in LO and so are not visible in the list when you want to
select one for a new document.

You need to go into LO, Writer for example, FILE >Templates >Manage
templates> select 'my templates' in the drop down list and then click
import.

Then you need to navigate to where you have the templates stored,
highlight them, and click import.

Then they'll get registered and appear in the templates dialogue.
hth

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Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...

2018-07-08 Thread Mauricio Baeza Servin
On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 21:03:02 +0200, Patrick Gelin  wrote:

> Ok, with a factory for self variable into pseudo objects. I was thinking 
> of this solution already, but I was hoping a better solution in next 
> version ...
> - Do you need this pseudo object code could be better object model 
> complient next day ?
> - Or do you think python will be a better way for OpenOffice/LibreOffice 
> futur ?
> 


Of course, definitely, Python is much better, I always recommend; learn and 
used Python with LibreOffice


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Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...

2018-07-08 Thread Patrick Gelin
Ok, with a factory for self variable into pseudo objects. I was thinking 
of this solution already, but I was hoping a better solution in next 
version ...
- Do you need this pseudo object code could be better object model 
complient next day ?
- Or do you think python will be a better way for OpenOffice/LibreOffice 
futur ?


Le 07/07/2018 à 21:37, Mauricio Baeza Servin a écrit :

On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 20:04:07 +0200, Patrick Gelin  wrote:


Hi,

1. I'm using pseudo object style when I'm coding with Basic. What about
putting my  pseudo basic objects into library ? It looks like I couldn't
use new to create object if I put them into a library ...

2. Can I access global variable into a librarie ?

3. Do you know a trik to simulate reference like "This" pointer ?

4. What about objects with nexts LibreOffice/OpenOffice versions ? Do I
need to use python next ?

Patrick



Hi...

In this example: https://docs.empresalibre.net/f/0bd013d0edcc44f79456/?dl=1

You can see an example how to used classess in Basic, included simulate "self" 
(This)

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[libreoffice-users] What happened to my scan icon

2018-07-08 Thread James Knott
A while ago, I created a "Scan" icon on my tool bar, to make it quicker
to scan a page.  However, that icon seems to have disappeared.  Why is
it now gone?  Who was the genius who decided it was OK to interfere with
using LO?  That's 2 issues I've found in the past few minutes.  First,
most of my templates have disappeared and now this icon is gone.

Again, this is with LO 6.0.42.


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[libreoffice-users] My Templates?

2018-07-08 Thread James Knott
Didn't there used to be an item "My Templates? in LO?  I had a few
templates in there, but now I can only find one mixed in with all the
supplied templates.  What happened to mine?  Where are they?  I'm using
LO 6.0.42 on OpenSUSE Leap 15.0.  Please bring back "My Templates".  I
do not want to have to sort through all those provided templates, to
find the ones I created.  I also don't want to have to recreate the ones
I lost!!!


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer: Sorting in a Table

2018-07-08 Thread Ted Zimmer
Thank you.  I had not realized that I could set the numeric format to date in 
the form MM/DD/.  When I do that and then sort using the regular numeric 
sort function (not the extension), it seems to work fine.  Thanks to you and 
everyone for the help.

From: Michael D. Setzer II 
Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 11:01 PM
To: Ted Zimmer; users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer: Sorting in a Table

Did a test with the extention.
Pasted 7 columns of a spreadsheet I have with a date column as the 7th
column with paste special as html format.

The sort extention then does sort the date field by the month, but if you
highlight the date column, and set the numeric format to yy-mm-dd or
-mm-dd, then the sort operation works correctly. After the sort, one can
then reset the format to whatever one wants.

Not sure if it works with other setups, but that does seem to work fine.


On 7 Jul 2018 at 19:42, Ted Zimmer wrote:

From:Ted Zimmer 
To:  "users@global.libreoffice.org"

Subject: [libreoffice-users] Writer: Sorting in a Table
Date sent:   Sat, 7 Jul 2018 19:42:05 +

> Microsoft Word allows sorting in a table by date, but apparently LO Writer 
> does not.  Am I correct?  Is there a way to do it?
> Ted
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