Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
You'll learn XML during learning MAVEN .. its not so hard. M. -- Původní zpráva -- Od: Ron Wheeler rwhee...@artifact-software.com Datum: 27. 6. 2013 Předmět: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? I am sure that you are right. My Google search turned up almost 2 million results. I just grabbed the first one that had enough in it to learn enough XML to read a POM file. Ron On 27/06/2013 2:15 PM, Brett Vanderveen wrote: Not to be pretentious, but I think there is a lot of better documentation out there than W3 Schools, for example: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/XML *Brett VanderVeen*| brett.vanderv...@gfs.com mailto:brett.vanderv...@gfs.com *Gordon Food Service^® *| IS Transportation |_www.gfs.com http://www.gfs.com/_ P 616-717-6042 | C 630-310-0172 Street: 1300 Gezon Parkway SW | Wyoming, MI 49509-9300 Mail: Mail Code 12003 | PO Box 1787 | Grand Rapids, MI 49501-1787 On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Ron Wheeler rwhee...@artifact-software.com mailto:rwhee...@artifact-software.com wrote: http://www.w3schools.com/xml/ will give you more than what you need for Maven. Google is your friend!!! Ron On 27/06/2013 11:39 AM, Nayana ABREU wrote: So, how long does it take to learn XML? Can you recommend me good sources, like webpages or books? Thanks Cody On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:35 AM, cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com mailto:cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com wrote: I would argue that to be a competent, modern computer programmer, you DO need to learn XML. There are many powerful things that can be accomplished once you have that knowledge. Cody Fyler Lending Grid Build Team cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com mailto:cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com (515)-441-0814 -Original Message- From: ctrueden.w...@gmail.com mailto:ctrueden.w...@gmail.com [mailto:ctrueden.w...@gmail.com mailto:ctrueden.w...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Curtis Rueden Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:31 AM To: Maven Users List Subject: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? Hi Nayana, Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? No, if you use Eclipse you can configure your POM in its graphical editor. Other IDEs may have similar things. Even if you edit POMs by hand, XML is human readable meaning you don't really need an in-depth understanding of XML in order to hack together a Maven POM. My definition of learn XML would be more like: * Understand basics: elements vs. attributes, etc. * Understand XML validation; e.g. XSD and DTD * Understand XSLT stylesheets * Understand parsing: SAX, DOM and XPath And you certainly do not need to know those things to configure a Maven POM. Regards, Curtis On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Nayana ABREU holanda.nay...@gmail.com mailto:holanda.nay...@gmail.com wrote: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? Thanks -- Nayana Holanda de Abreu holanda.nay...@gmail.com mailto:holanda.nay...@gmail.com Phone: 662-801-6349 Skype: nayanexbourdon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org mailto:users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org mailto:users-h...@maven.apache.org -- Ron Wheeler President Artifact Software Inc email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com mailto:rwhee...@artifact-software.com skype: ronaldmwheeler phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org mailto:users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org mailto:users-h...@maven.apache.org -- Ron Wheeler President Artifact Software Inc email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com skype: ronaldmwheeler phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 03:35:26PM +, cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com wrote: I would argue that to be a competent, modern computer programmer, you DO need to learn XML. There are many powerful things that can be accomplished once you have that knowledge. I tend to agree, but I think that learn XML is rather imprecise. You can learn to read XML in about five minutes, and to write it in ten. It's really, really simple. It also doesn't get you far at all. What people *do with XML* is often highly complex, abstruse, and intellectually challenging. A Maven POM, expressed in XML (which it always is, externally) can be daunting. XSD, XSL-T, and a thousand and one other *applications of* XML each have their own learning curves, some rather steep and bumpy. So I'd say, yes, you should learn XML if you want to use Maven, but that's easy. Learning Maven will require much more effort, but that effort will be amply rewarded. -- Mark H. Wood, Lead System Programmer mw...@iupui.edu Machines should not be friendly. Machines should be obedient. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? Thanks -- Nayana Holanda de Abreu holanda.nay...@gmail.com Phone: 662-801-6349 Skype: nayanexbourdon
Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
Hi Nayana, Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? No, if you use Eclipse you can configure your POM in its graphical editor. Other IDEs may have similar things. Even if you edit POMs by hand, XML is human readable meaning you don't really need an in-depth understanding of XML in order to hack together a Maven POM. My definition of learn XML would be more like: * Understand basics: elements vs. attributes, etc. * Understand XML validation; e.g. XSD and DTD * Understand XSLT stylesheets * Understand parsing: SAX, DOM and XPath And you certainly do not need to know those things to configure a Maven POM. Regards, Curtis On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Nayana ABREU holanda.nay...@gmail.comwrote: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? Thanks -- Nayana Holanda de Abreu holanda.nay...@gmail.com Phone: 662-801-6349 Skype: nayanexbourdon
Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
Thank you very much Curtis Rueden On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Curtis Rueden ctrue...@wisc.edu wrote: Hi Nayana, Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? No, if you use Eclipse you can configure your POM in its graphical editor. Other IDEs may have similar things. Even if you edit POMs by hand, XML is human readable meaning you don't really need an in-depth understanding of XML in order to hack together a Maven POM. My definition of learn XML would be more like: * Understand basics: elements vs. attributes, etc. * Understand XML validation; e.g. XSD and DTD * Understand XSLT stylesheets * Understand parsing: SAX, DOM and XPath And you certainly do not need to know those things to configure a Maven POM. Regards, Curtis On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Nayana ABREU holanda.nay...@gmail.com wrote: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? Thanks -- Nayana Holanda de Abreu holanda.nay...@gmail.com Phone: 662-801-6349 Skype: nayanexbourdon -- Nayana Holanda de Abreu holanda.nay...@gmail.com Phone: 662-801-6349 Skype: nayanexbourdon
RE: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
I would argue that to be a competent, modern computer programmer, you DO need to learn XML. There are many powerful things that can be accomplished once you have that knowledge. Cody Fyler Lending Grid Build Team cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com (515)-441-0814 -Original Message- From: ctrueden.w...@gmail.com [mailto:ctrueden.w...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Curtis Rueden Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:31 AM To: Maven Users List Subject: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? Hi Nayana, Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? No, if you use Eclipse you can configure your POM in its graphical editor. Other IDEs may have similar things. Even if you edit POMs by hand, XML is human readable meaning you don't really need an in-depth understanding of XML in order to hack together a Maven POM. My definition of learn XML would be more like: * Understand basics: elements vs. attributes, etc. * Understand XML validation; e.g. XSD and DTD * Understand XSLT stylesheets * Understand parsing: SAX, DOM and XPath And you certainly do not need to know those things to configure a Maven POM. Regards, Curtis On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Nayana ABREU holanda.nay...@gmail.comwrote: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? Thanks -- Nayana Holanda de Abreu holanda.nay...@gmail.com Phone: 662-801-6349 Skype: nayanexbourdon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
Hi Cody, I would argue that to be a competent, modern computer programmer, you DO need to learn XML. Indeed. But the question was: do you *need* to learn XML in order to learn Maven? Well, no... But yes, not understanding XML in today's technical landscape can be very disadvantageous. So I agree with Cody that you may as well bite the bullet on that one, Nayana. It doesn't really make sense to *avoid* learning XML. Regards, Curtis On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:35 AM, cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com wrote: I would argue that to be a competent, modern computer programmer, you DO need to learn XML. There are many powerful things that can be accomplished once you have that knowledge. Cody Fyler Lending Grid Build Team cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com (515)-441-0814 -Original Message- From: ctrueden.w...@gmail.com [mailto:ctrueden.w...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Curtis Rueden Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:31 AM To: Maven Users List Subject: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? Hi Nayana, Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? No, if you use Eclipse you can configure your POM in its graphical editor. Other IDEs may have similar things. Even if you edit POMs by hand, XML is human readable meaning you don't really need an in-depth understanding of XML in order to hack together a Maven POM. My definition of learn XML would be more like: * Understand basics: elements vs. attributes, etc. * Understand XML validation; e.g. XSD and DTD * Understand XSLT stylesheets * Understand parsing: SAX, DOM and XPath And you certainly do not need to know those things to configure a Maven POM. Regards, Curtis On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Nayana ABREU holanda.nay...@gmail.com wrote: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? Thanks -- Nayana Holanda de Abreu holanda.nay...@gmail.com Phone: 662-801-6349 Skype: nayanexbourdon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
So, how long does it take to learn XML? Can you recommend me good sources, like webpages or books? Thanks Cody On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:35 AM, cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com wrote: I would argue that to be a competent, modern computer programmer, you DO need to learn XML. There are many powerful things that can be accomplished once you have that knowledge. Cody Fyler Lending Grid Build Team cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com (515)-441-0814 -Original Message- From: ctrueden.w...@gmail.com [mailto:ctrueden.w...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Curtis Rueden Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:31 AM To: Maven Users List Subject: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? Hi Nayana, Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? No, if you use Eclipse you can configure your POM in its graphical editor. Other IDEs may have similar things. Even if you edit POMs by hand, XML is human readable meaning you don't really need an in-depth understanding of XML in order to hack together a Maven POM. My definition of learn XML would be more like: * Understand basics: elements vs. attributes, etc. * Understand XML validation; e.g. XSD and DTD * Understand XSLT stylesheets * Understand parsing: SAX, DOM and XPath And you certainly do not need to know those things to configure a Maven POM. Regards, Curtis On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Nayana ABREU holanda.nay...@gmail.com wrote: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? Thanks -- Nayana Holanda de Abreu holanda.nay...@gmail.com Phone: 662-801-6349 Skype: nayanexbourdon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org -- Nayana Holanda de Abreu holanda.nay...@gmail.com Phone: 662-801-6349 Skype: nayanexbourdon
Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
On 27/06/2013 11:35 AM, cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com wrote: I would argue that to be a competent, modern computer programmer, you DO need to learn XML. There are many powerful things that can be accomplished once you have that knowledge. You are right that in general XML is useful for lots of things and that people who know lots of technologies have a much broader palette of solution components However, the specific question relates to Maven and you really do not need to have any more knowledge of XML than understanding that something will be terminated by /something and that they can be nested. You can use an IDE that will give you a graphic editor for your POM files. You can cut and paste models of POMs. Your graphic editor should spot any XML validation errors. Ron Cody Fyler Lending Grid Build Team cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com (515)-441-0814 -Original Message- From: ctrueden.w...@gmail.com [mailto:ctrueden.w...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Curtis Rueden Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:31 AM To: Maven Users List Subject: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? Hi Nayana, Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? No, if you use Eclipse you can configure your POM in its graphical editor. Other IDEs may have similar things. Even if you edit POMs by hand, XML is human readable meaning you don't really need an in-depth understanding of XML in order to hack together a Maven POM. My definition of learn XML would be more like: * Understand basics: elements vs. attributes, etc. * Understand XML validation; e.g. XSD and DTD * Understand XSLT stylesheets * Understand parsing: SAX, DOM and XPath And you certainly do not need to know those things to configure a Maven POM. Regards, Curtis On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Nayana ABREU holanda.nay...@gmail.comwrote: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? Thanks -- Nayana Holanda de Abreu holanda.nay...@gmail.com Phone: 662-801-6349 Skype: nayanexbourdon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org -- Ron Wheeler President Artifact Software Inc email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com skype: ronaldmwheeler phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org
RE: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
I picked up my XML skills over many years in bits and pieces here and there. However this would be a great place to start: http://www.w3schools.com/xml/ Basic XML is simple, especially if you've done HTML in the past. Good luck and most importantly have fun! Cody Fyler Lending Grid Build Team cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com (515)-441-0814 -Original Message- From: Nayana ABREU [mailto:holanda.nay...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:39 AM To: Maven Users List Subject: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? So, how long does it take to learn XML? Can you recommend me good sources, like webpages or books? Thanks Cody On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:35 AM, cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com wrote: I would argue that to be a competent, modern computer programmer, you DO need to learn XML. There are many powerful things that can be accomplished once you have that knowledge. Cody Fyler Lending Grid Build Team cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com (515)-441-0814 -Original Message- From: ctrueden.w...@gmail.com [mailto:ctrueden.w...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Curtis Rueden Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:31 AM To: Maven Users List Subject: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? Hi Nayana, Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? No, if you use Eclipse you can configure your POM in its graphical editor. Other IDEs may have similar things. Even if you edit POMs by hand, XML is human readable meaning you don't really need an in-depth understanding of XML in order to hack together a Maven POM. My definition of learn XML would be more like: * Understand basics: elements vs. attributes, etc. * Understand XML validation; e.g. XSD and DTD * Understand XSLT stylesheets * Understand parsing: SAX, DOM and XPath And you certainly do not need to know those things to configure a Maven POM. Regards, Curtis On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Nayana ABREU holanda.nay...@gmail.com wrote: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? Thanks -- Nayana Holanda de Abreu holanda.nay...@gmail.com Phone: 662-801-6349 Skype: nayanexbourdon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org -- Nayana Holanda de Abreu holanda.nay...@gmail.com Phone: 662-801-6349 Skype: nayanexbourdon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org
RE: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
I agree wholeheartedly. Cody Fyler Lending Grid Build Team cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com (515)-441-0814 -Original Message- From: Ron Wheeler [mailto:rwhee...@artifact-software.com] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:52 AM To: users@maven.apache.org Subject: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? On 27/06/2013 11:35 AM, cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com wrote: I would argue that to be a competent, modern computer programmer, you DO need to learn XML. There are many powerful things that can be accomplished once you have that knowledge. You are right that in general XML is useful for lots of things and that people who know lots of technologies have a much broader palette of solution components However, the specific question relates to Maven and you really do not need to have any more knowledge of XML than understanding that something will be terminated by /something and that they can be nested. You can use an IDE that will give you a graphic editor for your POM files. You can cut and paste models of POMs. Your graphic editor should spot any XML validation errors. Ron Cody Fyler Lending Grid Build Team cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com (515)-441-0814 -Original Message- From: ctrueden.w...@gmail.com [mailto:ctrueden.w...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Curtis Rueden Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:31 AM To: Maven Users List Subject: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? Hi Nayana, Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? No, if you use Eclipse you can configure your POM in its graphical editor. Other IDEs may have similar things. Even if you edit POMs by hand, XML is human readable meaning you don't really need an in-depth understanding of XML in order to hack together a Maven POM. My definition of learn XML would be more like: * Understand basics: elements vs. attributes, etc. * Understand XML validation; e.g. XSD and DTD * Understand XSLT stylesheets * Understand parsing: SAX, DOM and XPath And you certainly do not need to know those things to configure a Maven POM. Regards, Curtis On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Nayana ABREU holanda.nay...@gmail.comwrote: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? Thanks -- Nayana Holanda de Abreu holanda.nay...@gmail.com Phone: 662-801-6349 Skype: nayanexbourdon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org -- Ron Wheeler President Artifact Software Inc email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com skype: ronaldmwheeler phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org
RE: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
At some point you may become dissatisfied with modelVersion4.0/modelVersion model limitations in which case you will learn XML and become an expert and you will develop a)new ComplexTypes b)new XSDs that reference these new ComplexTypes c)create a new Model from the newly created XSDs d)build out a whole new (plexus-)classworlds-(newVersion).jar implementing the constructs from the new XSDs Eclipse deliberately obfuscates 99% of the unnecessary engineering details from the eclipse operator(s) On the other hand *If* you can write a plugin for Eclipse (lets say a Android Terminal Emulator) you have my respect to write an eclipse plugin you will have to know xml (specfically plugin.xml) so eclipse can 'register' your plugin http://www.eclipse.org/articles/Article-Plug-in-architecture/plugin_architecture.html the analogy of learning XML in order to properly implement Maven is if you purchase a Masserati but you are unable to drive a stick then it stays in the garage Martin- From: cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com To: users@maven.apache.org; rwhee...@artifact-software.com Subject: RE: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 15:54:20 + I agree wholeheartedly. Cody Fyler Lending Grid Build Team cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com (515)-441-0814 -Original Message- From: Ron Wheeler [mailto:rwhee...@artifact-software.com] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:52 AM To: users@maven.apache.org Subject: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? On 27/06/2013 11:35 AM, cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com wrote: I would argue that to be a competent, modern computer programmer, you DO need to learn XML. There are many powerful things that can be accomplished once you have that knowledge. You are right that in general XML is useful for lots of things and that people who know lots of technologies have a much broader palette of solution components However, the specific question relates to Maven and you really do not need to have any more knowledge of XML than understanding that something will be terminated by /something and that they can be nested. You can use an IDE that will give you a graphic editor for your POM files. You can cut and paste models of POMs. Your graphic editor should spot any XML validation errors. Ron Cody Fyler Lending Grid Build Team cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com (515)-441-0814 -Original Message- From: ctrueden.w...@gmail.com [mailto:ctrueden.w...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Curtis Rueden Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:31 AM To: Maven Users List Subject: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? Hi Nayana, Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? No, if you use Eclipse you can configure your POM in its graphical editor. Other IDEs may have similar things. Even if you edit POMs by hand, XML is human readable meaning you don't really need an in-depth understanding of XML in order to hack together a Maven POM. My definition of learn XML would be more like: * Understand basics: elements vs. attributes, etc. * Understand XML validation; e.g. XSD and DTD * Understand XSLT stylesheets * Understand parsing: SAX, DOM and XPath And you certainly do not need to know those things to configure a Maven POM. Regards, Curtis On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Nayana ABREU holanda.nay...@gmail.comwrote: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? Thanks -- Nayana Holanda de Abreu holanda.nay...@gmail.com Phone: 662-801-6349 Skype: nayanexbourdon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org -- Ron Wheeler President Artifact Software Inc email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com skype: ronaldmwheeler phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
http://www.w3schools.com/xml/ will give you more than what you need for Maven. Google is your friend!!! Ron On 27/06/2013 11:39 AM, Nayana ABREU wrote: So, how long does it take to learn XML? Can you recommend me good sources, like webpages or books? Thanks Cody On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:35 AM, cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com wrote: I would argue that to be a competent, modern computer programmer, you DO need to learn XML. There are many powerful things that can be accomplished once you have that knowledge. Cody Fyler Lending Grid Build Team cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com (515)-441-0814 -Original Message- From: ctrueden.w...@gmail.com [mailto:ctrueden.w...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Curtis Rueden Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:31 AM To: Maven Users List Subject: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? Hi Nayana, Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? No, if you use Eclipse you can configure your POM in its graphical editor. Other IDEs may have similar things. Even if you edit POMs by hand, XML is human readable meaning you don't really need an in-depth understanding of XML in order to hack together a Maven POM. My definition of learn XML would be more like: * Understand basics: elements vs. attributes, etc. * Understand XML validation; e.g. XSD and DTD * Understand XSLT stylesheets * Understand parsing: SAX, DOM and XPath And you certainly do not need to know those things to configure a Maven POM. Regards, Curtis On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Nayana ABREU holanda.nay...@gmail.com wrote: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? Thanks -- Nayana Holanda de Abreu holanda.nay...@gmail.com Phone: 662-801-6349 Skype: nayanexbourdon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org -- Ron Wheeler President Artifact Software Inc email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com skype: ronaldmwheeler phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven?
Not to be pretentious, but I think there is a lot of better documentation out there than W3 Schools, for example: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/XML *Brett VanderVeen* | brett.vanderv...@gfs.com *Gordon Food Service®* | IS Transportation | *www.gfs.com* P 616-717-6042 | C 630-310-0172 Street: 1300 Gezon Parkway SW | Wyoming, MI 49509-9300 Mail: Mail Code 12003 | PO Box 1787 | Grand Rapids, MI 49501-1787 On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Ron Wheeler rwhee...@artifact-software.com wrote: http://www.w3schools.com/xml/ will give you more than what you need for Maven. Google is your friend!!! Ron On 27/06/2013 11:39 AM, Nayana ABREU wrote: So, how long does it take to learn XML? Can you recommend me good sources, like webpages or books? Thanks Cody On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:35 AM, cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com wrote: I would argue that to be a competent, modern computer programmer, you DO need to learn XML. There are many powerful things that can be accomplished once you have that knowledge. Cody Fyler Lending Grid Build Team cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com (515)-441-0814 -Original Message- From: ctrueden.w...@gmail.com [mailto:ctrueden.wisc@gmail.**comctrueden.w...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Curtis Rueden Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:31 AM To: Maven Users List Subject: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? Hi Nayana, Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? No, if you use Eclipse you can configure your POM in its graphical editor. Other IDEs may have similar things. Even if you edit POMs by hand, XML is human readable meaning you don't really need an in-depth understanding of XML in order to hack together a Maven POM. My definition of learn XML would be more like: * Understand basics: elements vs. attributes, etc. * Understand XML validation; e.g. XSD and DTD * Understand XSLT stylesheets * Understand parsing: SAX, DOM and XPath And you certainly do not need to know those things to configure a Maven POM. Regards, Curtis On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Nayana ABREU holanda.nay...@gmail.com wrote: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? Thanks -- Nayana Holanda de Abreu holanda.nay...@gmail.com Phone: 662-801-6349 Skype: nayanexbourdon --**--** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@maven.**apache.orgusers-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org -- Ron Wheeler President Artifact Software Inc email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com skype: ronaldmwheeler phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102 --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@maven.**apache.orgusers-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org
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On 27/06/2013 12:30 PM, Martin Gainty wrote: At some point you may become dissatisfied with modelVersion4.0/modelVersion model limitations in which case you will learn XML and become an expert and you will develop a)new ComplexTypes b)new XSDs that reference these new ComplexTypes c)create a new Model from the newly created XSDs d)build out a whole new (plexus-)classworlds-(newVersion).jar implementing the constructs from the new XSDs Eclipse deliberately obfuscates 99% of the unnecessary engineering details from the eclipse operator(s) On the other hand *If* you can write a plugin for Eclipse (lets say a Android Terminal Emulator) you have my respect to write an eclipse plugin you will have to know xml (specfically plugin.xml) so eclipse can 'register' your plugin http://www.eclipse.org/articles/Article-Plug-in-architecture/plugin_architecture.html the analogy of learning XML in order to properly implement Maven is if you purchase a Masserati but you are unable to drive a stick then it stays in the garage That is a bit extreme. It is more like if you purchase a Masserati but don't take a performance driving course, you will not get as much use out of it as if you did. You can build a multi-module Java application for the web in Maven, without doing anything more than editing with the GUI in Eclipse and occasionally copying and pasting some XML. This should be well within the capabilities of a competent Java programmer after reading the Maven docs and skimming one of the Maven books (do one or two example POMs from the book just to make sure that you are getting it). Ron Martin- From: cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com To: users@maven.apache.org; rwhee...@artifact-software.com Subject: RE: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 15:54:20 + I agree wholeheartedly. Cody Fyler Lending Grid Build Team cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com (515)-441-0814 -Original Message- From: Ron Wheeler [mailto:rwhee...@artifact-software.com] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:52 AM To: users@maven.apache.org Subject: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? On 27/06/2013 11:35 AM, cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com wrote: I would argue that to be a competent, modern computer programmer, you DO need to learn XML. There are many powerful things that can be accomplished once you have that knowledge. You are right that in general XML is useful for lots of things and that people who know lots of technologies have a much broader palette of solution components However, the specific question relates to Maven and you really do not need to have any more knowledge of XML than understanding that something will be terminated by /something and that they can be nested. You can use an IDE that will give you a graphic editor for your POM files. You can cut and paste models of POMs. Your graphic editor should spot any XML validation errors. Ron Cody Fyler Lending Grid Build Team cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com (515)-441-0814 -Original Message- From: ctrueden.w...@gmail.com [mailto:ctrueden.w...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Curtis Rueden Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:31 AM To: Maven Users List Subject: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? Hi Nayana, Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? No, if you use Eclipse you can configure your POM in its graphical editor. Other IDEs may have similar things. Even if you edit POMs by hand, XML is human readable meaning you don't really need an in-depth understanding of XML in order to hack together a Maven POM. My definition of learn XML would be more like: * Understand basics: elements vs. attributes, etc. * Understand XML validation; e.g. XSD and DTD * Understand XSLT stylesheets * Understand parsing: SAX, DOM and XPath And you certainly do not need to know those things to configure a Maven POM. Regards, Curtis On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Nayana ABREU holanda.nay...@gmail.comwrote: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? Thanks -- Nayana Holanda de Abreu holanda.nay...@gmail.com Phone: 662-801-6349 Skype: nayanexbourdon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org -- Ron Wheeler President Artifact Software Inc email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com skype: ronaldmwheeler phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org -- Ron Wheeler President Artifact Software Inc email:
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I am sure that you are right. My Google search turned up almost 2 million results. I just grabbed the first one that had enough in it to learn enough XML to read a POM file. Ron On 27/06/2013 2:15 PM, Brett Vanderveen wrote: Not to be pretentious, but I think there is a lot of better documentation out there than W3 Schools, for example: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/XML *Brett VanderVeen*| brett.vanderv...@gfs.com mailto:brett.vanderv...@gfs.com *Gordon Food Service^® *| IS Transportation |_www.gfs.com http://www.gfs.com/_ P 616-717-6042 | C 630-310-0172 Street: 1300 Gezon Parkway SW | Wyoming, MI 49509-9300 Mail: Mail Code 12003 | PO Box 1787 | Grand Rapids, MI 49501-1787 On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Ron Wheeler rwhee...@artifact-software.com mailto:rwhee...@artifact-software.com wrote: http://www.w3schools.com/xml/ will give you more than what you need for Maven. Google is your friend!!! Ron On 27/06/2013 11:39 AM, Nayana ABREU wrote: So, how long does it take to learn XML? Can you recommend me good sources, like webpages or books? Thanks Cody On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:35 AM, cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com mailto:cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com wrote: I would argue that to be a competent, modern computer programmer, you DO need to learn XML. There are many powerful things that can be accomplished once you have that knowledge. Cody Fyler Lending Grid Build Team cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com mailto:cody.a.fy...@wellsfargo.com (515)-441-0814 -Original Message- From: ctrueden.w...@gmail.com mailto:ctrueden.w...@gmail.com [mailto:ctrueden.w...@gmail.com mailto:ctrueden.w...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Curtis Rueden Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:31 AM To: Maven Users List Subject: Re: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? Hi Nayana, Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? No, if you use Eclipse you can configure your POM in its graphical editor. Other IDEs may have similar things. Even if you edit POMs by hand, XML is human readable meaning you don't really need an in-depth understanding of XML in order to hack together a Maven POM. My definition of learn XML would be more like: * Understand basics: elements vs. attributes, etc. * Understand XML validation; e.g. XSD and DTD * Understand XSLT stylesheets * Understand parsing: SAX, DOM and XPath And you certainly do not need to know those things to configure a Maven POM. Regards, Curtis On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Nayana ABREU holanda.nay...@gmail.com mailto:holanda.nay...@gmail.com wrote: Is it necessary to learn XML in order to lear Maven? Thanks -- Nayana Holanda de Abreu holanda.nay...@gmail.com mailto:holanda.nay...@gmail.com Phone: 662-801-6349 Skype: nayanexbourdon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org mailto:users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org mailto:users-h...@maven.apache.org -- Ron Wheeler President Artifact Software Inc email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com mailto:rwhee...@artifact-software.com skype: ronaldmwheeler phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org mailto:users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org mailto:users-h...@maven.apache.org -- Ron Wheeler President Artifact Software Inc email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com skype: ronaldmwheeler phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
