Re: Quick Office Pro

2014-12-02 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Des O'Shaughnessy wrote:

I have a quick Office pro app


That app claims to come from OpenOffice, but this is not true. It is 
totally unrelated to the OpenOffice project http://openoffice.org ; 
please report the app to the App Store. And of course we can't help you 
since this mailing list is for volunteer support for OpenOffice users, 
sorry.


Best regards,
  Andrea Pescetti - Apache OpenOffice PMC.

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Re: Quick Office Pro

2014-12-02 Thread Simon Phipps
MODERATORS:  I have started rejecting incoming e-mails like this one with a
message stating that QuickOffice is unrelated to Apache and AOO and they
should contact their supplier. I suggest other moderators adopt the same
approach.

S.


On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:

 Des O'Shaughnessy wrote:

 I have a quick Office pro app


 That app claims to come from OpenOffice, but this is not true. It is
 totally unrelated to the OpenOffice project http://openoffice.org ;
 please report the app to the App Store. And of course we can't help you
 since this mailing list is for volunteer support for OpenOffice users,
 sorry.

 Best regards,
   Andrea Pescetti - Apache OpenOffice PMC.


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Apple Yosemite 10.10.1

2014-12-02 Thread Jack Orcutt
I was thinking of downloading your program but do not see that it supports 
Apple Yosemite 10.10.1. Can this program still be installed and functional?

Thanks,

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Re: Quick Office Pro

2014-12-02 Thread Dave Barton
Simon Phipps wrote:
 MODERATORS:  I have started rejecting incoming e-mails like this one with a
 message stating that QuickOffice is unrelated to Apache and AOO and they
 should contact their supplier. I suggest other moderators adopt the same
 approach.
 
 S.

-1

We are MODERATORS, not the list police.

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Re: Quick Office Pro

2014-12-02 Thread Jim McLaughlin
Exactly.  That's why Simon is providing info that OO/ Apache is not related
to
Quick Office; explaining that this group can't help re QO, and directing
the person making inquiry to a  possible source for help since that help
can't be obtained here.

I can't think of a better function for a MODERATOR, and it certainly saves
all of us the time to scan, and then ignore, messages about QO.

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote:

 Simon Phipps wrote:
  MODERATORS:  I have started rejecting incoming e-mails like this one
 with a
  message stating that QuickOffice is unrelated to Apache and AOO and they
  should contact their supplier. I suggest other moderators adopt the same
  approach.
 
  S.

 -1

 We are MODERATORS, not the list police.

 Dave


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Re: Apple Yosemite 10.10.1

2014-12-02 Thread chuck ef
I am on Yosemite and have been using 4.1.0 just fine. I am very lazy but I 
finally downloaded 4.1.1 this morning. All seems well so far. That Magic Mouse 
problem seems fixed which is lovely. Cheers to the Apache developers!

Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 2, 2014, at 9:37 AM, Jack Orcutt j.orc...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I was thinking of downloading your program but do not see that it supports 
 Apple Yosemite 10.10.1. Can this program still be installed and functional?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Jack Orcutt
 
 
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Re: Quick Office Pro

2014-12-02 Thread Simon Phipps
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote:

 Simon Phipps wrote:
  MODERATORS:  I have started rejecting incoming e-mails like this one
 with a
  message stating that QuickOffice is unrelated to Apache and AOO and they
  should contact their supplier. I suggest other moderators adopt the same
  approach.
 
  S.

 -1

 We are MODERATORS, not the list police.


Please explain why you believe questions about QuickOffice are in-scope for
this list and thus should not be rejected by moderators?

Thanks,

S.


Re: Apple Yosemite 10.10.1

2014-12-02 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Forwarding Chuck's answer below; and Jack, can you tell us where you 
expected to read this information? Did you consult some outdated web 
page that we should update? Andrea


chuck ef wrote:

I am on Yosemite and have been using 4.1.0 just fine. I am very lazy
but I finally downloaded 4.1.1 this morning. All seems well so far.
That Magic Mouse problem seems fixed which is lovely. Cheers to the
Apache developers!

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 2, 2014, at 9:37 AM, Jack Orcutt j.orc...@icloud.com
wrote:

I was thinking of downloading your program but do not see that it
supports Apple Yosemite 10.10.1. Can this program still be
installed and functional?

Thanks,

Jack Orcutt


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Re: Quick Office Pro

2014-12-02 Thread Dave Barton
Simon Phipps wrote:
 On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote:
 
 Simon Phipps wrote:
 MODERATORS:  I have started rejecting incoming e-mails like this one
 with a
 message stating that QuickOffice is unrelated to Apache and AOO and they
 should contact their supplier. I suggest other moderators adopt the same
 approach.

 S.

 -1

 We are MODERATORS, not the list police.

 
 Please explain why you believe questions about QuickOffice are in-scope for
 this list and thus should not be rejected by moderators?
 
 Thanks,
 
 S.

I do not claim that questions about Quick Office Pro are in-scope for
the list. My objection is based on the principle, not the Quick Office
Pro issue itself. As per my reply to Jim, I maintain that, in accordance
with ASF guidelines, it is not our responsibility to answer posts on
behalf of the list (albeit by way of rejection notices), or make
arbitrary decisions about what the list should or shouldn't see or have
to deal with.

As inconvenient (probably irritating) as it is for list subscribers to
see this kind of post, we stand at the top of a very slippery slope if
we, as individuals, start making this kind of unilateral arbitrary
decision. Many times I see posts held for moderation where my gut
reaction might be What the  has this to do with AOO or Oh 
this is just another meaningless rant. Do I arbitrarily go with my gut
reaction and reject it (with a sweet little note), or do I follow the
ASF guidelines and allow the list subscribers deal with posts to THEIR
list as THEY see fit?

I propose that, if the ASF/AOO PMC and more importantly the list
subscribers, want us to act as (in my opinion) list police, we put this
proposal forward and if accepted/approved we set up some kind of
arrangement (eg. a wiki page) to coordinate, agree or compromise on
these matters

Dave



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Re: Quick Office Pro

2014-12-02 Thread Simon Phipps
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote:

 Simon Phipps wrote:
  On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote:
 
  Simon Phipps wrote:
  MODERATORS:  I have started rejecting incoming e-mails like this one
  with a
  message stating that QuickOffice is unrelated to Apache and AOO and
 they
  should contact their supplier. I suggest other moderators adopt the
 same
  approach.
 
  S.
 
  -1
 
  We are MODERATORS, not the list police.
 
 
  Please explain why you believe questions about QuickOffice are in-scope
 for
  this list and thus should not be rejected by moderators?
 
  Thanks,
 
  S.

 I do not claim that questions about Quick Office Pro are in-scope for
 the list. My objection is based on the principle, not the Quick Office
 Pro issue itself. As per my reply to Jim, I maintain that, in accordance
 with ASF guidelines, it is not our responsibility to answer posts on
 behalf of the list (albeit by way of rejection notices), or make
 arbitrary decisions about what the list should or shouldn't see or have
 to deal with.


I'd welcome other views as I think this outlook is pedantic. Rejecting
irrelevant spam is not answering posts.



 As inconvenient (probably irritating) as it is for list subscribers to
 see this kind of post, we stand at the top of a very slippery slope if
 we, as individuals, start making this kind of unilateral arbitrary
 decision. Many times I see posts held for moderation where my gut
 reaction might be What the  has this to do with AOO or Oh 
 this is just another meaningless rant. Do I arbitrarily go with my gut
 reaction and reject it (with a sweet little note), or do I follow the
 ASF guidelines and allow the list subscribers deal with posts to THEIR
 list as THEY see fit?


I'm not suggesting filtering or answering relevant forum traffic in any
way, especially not the sort of posts you refer to. QuickOffice posts are
effectively spam and I am suggesting the moderators treat them as they do
the other spam arriving in the queue, except with a polite response to the
confused originator instead of just ignoring them.

I propose that, if the ASF/AOO PMC and more importantly the list
 subscribers, want us to act as (in my opinion) list police, we put this
 proposal forward and if accepted/approved we set up some kind of
 arrangement (eg. a wiki page) to coordinate, agree or compromise on
 these matters


That's overkill for this specific case.  -1

S.


docx files cause crashes.

2014-12-02 Thread Felmon Davis

greets!

I get with increasing frequency docx files which cause OO to crash. I 
end up having to open them via google-docs and then save as odt.


I'm on Apache OO 4.0.0 using Debian Wheezy with a variant of KDE3 
(Trinity Desktop). I always open by using the 'File' menu tab.


I don't recall if I can attach a file to this list but not sure I want 
to broadcast the contents all over the list even though I have 
permission and it's not confidential material. I can put one of them 
on google-drive and give a password to anyone who's curious and eager 
to help.


or is there some general advice?

I first noticed this phenomenon sometime in Spring from one 
correspondent, now I have two where this phenomenon occurs.


I know that at least one, and probably all, use Pages in the Mac and 
the one I know says she uses the 'export' function of Pages.


F.

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Re: docx files cause crashes.

2014-12-02 Thread Martin Groenescheij
OO 4.1.1 it solved issues with docx files I have no idea if it solved 
your problem, but I suggest to try this first.


On 3-12-2014 8:59, Felmon Davis wrote:

greets!

I get with increasing frequency docx files which cause OO to crash. I 
end up having to open them via google-docs and then save as odt.


I'm on Apache OO 4.0.0 using Debian Wheezy with a variant of KDE3 
(Trinity Desktop). I always open by using the 'File' menu tab.


I don't recall if I can attach a file to this list but not sure I want 
to broadcast the contents all over the list even though I have 
permission and it's not confidential material. I can put one of them 
on google-drive and give a password to anyone who's curious and eager 
to help.


or is there some general advice?

I first noticed this phenomenon sometime in Spring from one 
correspondent, now I have two where this phenomenon occurs.


I know that at least one, and probably all, use Pages in the Mac and 
the one I know says she uses the 'export' function of Pages.


F.





Re: docx files cause crashes.

2014-12-02 Thread Felmon Davis

On Wed, 3 Dec 2014, Martin Groenescheij wrote:

OO 4.1.1 it solved issues with docx files I have no idea if it solved your 
problem, but I suggest to try this first.


makes sense though I'm a bit scared to tear too much up right now. 
I'll look for some instructions on installing them side-by-side.


F.



On 3-12-2014 8:59, Felmon Davis wrote:

greets!

I get with increasing frequency docx files which cause OO to crash. I end 
up having to open them via google-docs and then save as odt.


I'm on Apache OO 4.0.0 using Debian Wheezy with a variant of KDE3 (Trinity 
Desktop). I always open by using the 'File' menu tab.


I don't recall if I can attach a file to this list but not sure I want to 
broadcast the contents all over the list even though I have permission and 
it's not confidential material. I can put one of them on google-drive and 
give a password to anyone who's curious and eager to help.


or is there some general advice?

I first noticed this phenomenon sometime in Spring from one correspondent, 
now I have two where this phenomenon occurs.


I know that at least one, and probably all, use Pages in the Mac and the 
one I know says she uses the 'export' function of Pages.


F.






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RE: Quick Office Pro

2014-12-02 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I support what Simon proposes to do for the following reasons:

 1. We are talking about posts to users #oo.a.o from non-subscribers, so they 
have to be moderated *somehow.*

 2. There has never been, in my recollection, any occasion where one of those 
posts that has not been met by a response that is exactly what Simon is 
proposing to provide and suggests that all moderators provide as an automatic 
courtesy to those requests for support.

 3. This is most likely to be a consistent, civil response.

 4. It will save an administrator or other having to forward replies from folks 
who don't know the OP is not subscribed and reply only to the list.

 5. It will save the Op's request being immortalized on the list archive.

Simon could have simply instituted this practice on his own and we'd not be the 
wiser.  Instead, he raised the issue as a practice for all moderators, giving 
other moderators and list participants an opportunity to weigh in.

I, for one, am willing to accept Simon's treatment of this specific case and 
thank him for it.  Other moderators can say what they will or won't do.  I 
don't think there is a slavish following of a blind principle of any value in 
this instance.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Simon Phipps [mailto:si...@webmink.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 13:51
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Quick Office Pro

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote:

 Simon Phipps wrote:
  On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote:
 
  Simon Phipps wrote:
  MODERATORS:  I have started rejecting incoming e-mails like this one
  with a
  message stating that QuickOffice is unrelated to Apache and AOO and
 they
  should contact their supplier. I suggest other moderators adopt the
 same
  approach.
 
  S.
 
  -1
 
  We are MODERATORS, not the list police.
 
 
  Please explain why you believe questions about QuickOffice are in-scope
 for
  this list and thus should not be rejected by moderators?
 
  Thanks,
 
  S.

 I do not claim that questions about Quick Office Pro are in-scope for
 the list. My objection is based on the principle, not the Quick Office
 Pro issue itself. As per my reply to Jim, I maintain that, in accordance
 with ASF guidelines, it is not our responsibility to answer posts on
 behalf of the list (albeit by way of rejection notices), or make
 arbitrary decisions about what the list should or shouldn't see or have
 to deal with.


I'd welcome other views as I think this outlook is pedantic. Rejecting
irrelevant spam is not answering posts.



 As inconvenient (probably irritating) as it is for list subscribers to
 see this kind of post, we stand at the top of a very slippery slope if
 we, as individuals, start making this kind of unilateral arbitrary
 decision. Many times I see posts held for moderation where my gut
 reaction might be What the  has this to do with AOO or Oh 
 this is just another meaningless rant. Do I arbitrarily go with my gut
 reaction and reject it (with a sweet little note), or do I follow the
 ASF guidelines and allow the list subscribers deal with posts to THEIR
 list as THEY see fit?


I'm not suggesting filtering or answering relevant forum traffic in any
way, especially not the sort of posts you refer to. QuickOffice posts are
effectively spam and I am suggesting the moderators treat them as they do
the other spam arriving in the queue, except with a polite response to the
confused originator instead of just ignoring them.

I propose that, if the ASF/AOO PMC and more importantly the list
 subscribers, want us to act as (in my opinion) list police, we put this
 proposal forward and if accepted/approved we set up some kind of
 arrangement (eg. a wiki page) to coordinate, agree or compromise on
 these matters


That's overkill for this specific case.  -1

S.


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RE: Quick Office Pro

2014-12-02 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Correcting (1-2)

-Original Message-
From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 14:42
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: RE: Quick Office Pro

I support what Simon proposes to do for the following reasons:

 1. We are talking about posts to users @oo.a.o from non-subscribers, so they 
have to be moderated *somehow.*

 2. There has never been, in my recollection, any occasion where one of those 
posts has not been met by a response that is exactly what Simon is proposing to 
provide. It is useful for moderators to provide a standard response as an 
automatic courtesy to those requests for support.

 3. This is most likely to be a consistent, civil response.

 4. It will save an administrator or other having to forward replies from folks 
who don't know the OP is not subscribed and reply only to the list.

 5. It will save the Op's request being immortalized on the list archive.

Simon could have simply instituted this practice on his own and we'd not be the 
wiser.  Instead, he raised the issue as a practice for all moderators, giving 
other moderators and list participants an opportunity to weigh in.

I, for one, am willing to accept Simon's treatment of this specific case and 
thank him for it.  Other moderators can say what they will or won't do.  I 
don't think there is a slavish following of a blind principle of any value in 
this instance.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Simon Phipps [mailto:si...@webmink.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 13:51
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Quick Office Pro

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote:

 Simon Phipps wrote:
  On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote:
 
  Simon Phipps wrote:
  MODERATORS:  I have started rejecting incoming e-mails like this one
  with a
  message stating that QuickOffice is unrelated to Apache and AOO and
 they
  should contact their supplier. I suggest other moderators adopt the
 same
  approach.
 
  S.
 
  -1
 
  We are MODERATORS, not the list police.
 
 
  Please explain why you believe questions about QuickOffice are in-scope
 for
  this list and thus should not be rejected by moderators?
 
  Thanks,
 
  S.

 I do not claim that questions about Quick Office Pro are in-scope for
 the list. My objection is based on the principle, not the Quick Office
 Pro issue itself. As per my reply to Jim, I maintain that, in accordance
 with ASF guidelines, it is not our responsibility to answer posts on
 behalf of the list (albeit by way of rejection notices), or make
 arbitrary decisions about what the list should or shouldn't see or have
 to deal with.


I'd welcome other views as I think this outlook is pedantic. Rejecting
irrelevant spam is not answering posts.



 As inconvenient (probably irritating) as it is for list subscribers to
 see this kind of post, we stand at the top of a very slippery slope if
 we, as individuals, start making this kind of unilateral arbitrary
 decision. Many times I see posts held for moderation where my gut
 reaction might be What the  has this to do with AOO or Oh 
 this is just another meaningless rant. Do I arbitrarily go with my gut
 reaction and reject it (with a sweet little note), or do I follow the
 ASF guidelines and allow the list subscribers deal with posts to THEIR
 list as THEY see fit?


I'm not suggesting filtering or answering relevant forum traffic in any
way, especially not the sort of posts you refer to. QuickOffice posts are
effectively spam and I am suggesting the moderators treat them as they do
the other spam arriving in the queue, except with a polite response to the
confused originator instead of just ignoring them.

I propose that, if the ASF/AOO PMC and more importantly the list
 subscribers, want us to act as (in my opinion) list police, we put this
 proposal forward and if accepted/approved we set up some kind of
 arrangement (eg. a wiki page) to coordinate, agree or compromise on
 these matters


That's overkill for this specific case.  -1

S.


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