Re: 4c. guitar structure

2005-05-31 Thread Monica Hall

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From: bill kilpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: 4c. guitar structure


 a friend of mine on the charango site has suggested
 that structural differences (light bracing, thinner
 sound board) may account for the bordòn being placed
 in the center instead of off to the side as on a 4c.
 guitar.

 were there any structural features of the renaissance
 or baroque, 4c. guitar designed to support this uneven
 distribution of tension on the 4th (bass) course?

I think it has more to do with the way the thumb and finger work in opposite
directions.  If you are playing a single line using thumb and finger
alternately there are some (a few) advantages to having the lowest string
inside.  I regularly practice scales like this on the baroque guitar - and
you can actually play Narvaez' variation contra haziendo la guitarra with
each note on a different course, including the repeated notes which work
particularly well like this.  It doesn't work on the vihuela of course.
Once you start playing in two parts the thumb naturally moves to the lower
part.

Re-entrant tunings are used on the Mexican jarana - some of which are quite
odd with the lowest course in the middle and the 1st a tone lower than the
2nd.  There is a this idea that such instruments are descended from the
baroque guitar, but there is no doubt that the Conquistadores took plucked
string instruments to the New World very early on and the various
instruments may have developed along side.  I'm just reading an interesting
book about Vasco de Quiroga who tried to set up Utopian communes for the
Indians to live free of the Spanish.  One of the crafts which the Indians
were encouraged to pursue was instrument making.

Cheers

Monica

 and thus i made...a small vihuela from the shell of a creepy crawly... -
Don Gonzalo de Guerrero (1512), Historias de la Conquista del Mayab by Fra
Joseph of San Buenaventura.  go to:
http://www.charango.cl/paginas/quieninvento.htm



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Re: 4c. guitar structure

2005-05-31 Thread bill kilpatrick
sounds good to me.  placement of the bordòn in the
middle would suggest that rasgueo was the intended
method of play and not plectrum - correct?

interesting note about Vasco de Quiroga setting up
luthier work shops for the natives - i wonder if the
instruments were intended for export back to europe? 
if any of these instruments get mentioned by name,
please let me know.

i understand that speculation on the origins of the
charango in south america can become heated and get
clouded in national overtones.  bolivia seems to be
its accepted birthplace.  i think it's just an
indigenous word for either of the figure 8 shaped,
plucky little cordophones introduced by the europeans
and i think it - whatever it was; vihuela or guitar
- received little, if any modification over the
succeeding years.  

this idea, you may have noted, pleases no one.

regards - bill
  
--- Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 
 - Original Message -
 From: bill kilpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: vihuela list vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 6:36 PM
 Subject: 4c. guitar structure
 
 
  a friend of mine on the charango site has
 suggested
  that structural differences (light bracing,
 thinner
  sound board) may account for the bordòn being
 placed
  in the center instead of off to the side as on a
 4c.
  guitar.
 
  were there any structural features of the
 renaissance
  or baroque, 4c. guitar designed to support this
 uneven
  distribution of tension on the 4th (bass) course?
 
 I think it has more to do with the way the thumb and
 finger work in opposite
 directions.  If you are playing a single line using
 thumb and finger
 alternately there are some (a few) advantages to
 having the lowest string
 inside.  I regularly practice scales like this on
 the baroque guitar - and
 you can actually play Narvaez' variation contra
 haziendo la guitarra with
 each note on a different course, including the
 repeated notes which work
 particularly well like this.  It doesn't work on the
 vihuela of course.
 Once you start playing in two parts the thumb
 naturally moves to the lower
 part.
 
 Re-entrant tunings are used on the Mexican jarana -
 some of which are quite
 odd with the lowest course in the middle and the 1st
 a tone lower than the
 2nd.  There is a this idea that such instruments are
 descended from the
 baroque guitar, but there is no doubt that the
 Conquistadores took plucked
 string instruments to the New World very early on
 and the various
 instruments may have developed along side.  I'm just
 reading an interesting
 book about Vasco de Quiroga who tried to set up
 Utopian communes for the
 Indians to live free of the Spanish.  One of the
 crafts which the Indians
 were encouraged to pursue was instrument making.
 
 Cheers
 
 Monica
 
  and thus i made...a small vihuela from the shell
 of a creepy crawly... -
 Don Gonzalo de Guerrero (1512), Historias de la
 Conquista del Mayab by Fra
 Joseph of San Buenaventura.  go to:
 http://www.charango.cl/paginas/quieninvento.htm
 
 
 
 

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